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Author Topic: The Art and Making of The Predator  (Read 12097 times)


newagescamartist
Mar 23, 2018, 01:09:55 AM
Reply #91 on: Mar 23, 2018, 01:09:55 AM
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I'm with Petr. No point whatsoever remaking Predator. It's pretty much a perfect movie. The music, the visual effects, the cast, the acting, the direction, the pacing, the well placed humor...it's a masterpiece.



ELDERCLANLEADER
Mar 23, 2018, 04:48:33 AM
Reply #93 on: Mar 23, 2018, 04:48:33 AM
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There is a point in remaking / rebooting predator though , right now we have four films , one is great the rest are questionable and none of them are coherent, and as good as the first was , it was made without a sequel in mind ,  none of them link together to create a story of any worth or emotional clout or weight . The first was a straight up 80s action movie , it didn't need to rely on a complicated story , and that's fine but as soon as you turn it into a franchise you need a story that links everything together , and predator just doesn't have this .  This is the ONLY reason why I think a remake is needed , so you have a strong starting point to create worthy sequels in the future , and develop strong characters,  and not just half baked creature features , but can carry a story that the viewer can emotionally invest in and feel part of. People need to get of their bike , stop being so touchy and see the potential. The original predator will always be there regardless , it's not going anywhere , it will always be iconic , but remaking the original in order to flesh out a universe for the franchise and bringing it to a new audience is the kind of thing this franchise needs badly. And I fail to see why this is bad for a franchise that has already become jaded and neglected.

 It needs better foundations , in order to build a better sky scraper.. so to speak..


Petr Švancara
Mar 23, 2018, 10:54:59 AM
Reply #94 on: Mar 23, 2018, 10:54:59 AM
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Predator dont need to be there for a new audience, there are tons and tons of fans that still remember the first movie. I know there are bad reboots and good reboots. But, let's just look at the new rebooted Robocop, Is there anyone, even only one person who like this new latest version of Robocop? Latest Robocop movie created mainly for new audience totally ruined the seriously respected original, original Robocop same as Predator is just untouchable. . no one should ever try to fight with it. Predator doesnt need any story that will be connecting all the movies strictly together. Predator story is story about conflict, and this concflict is always happening somewhere else on the planet depending on where our Predator goes. Each conflict is different, location, environment, players and even the Predator itself is not the same one each time. We should have some connectivity between the movies yeah, I agree. But I think that we already have some connection. We have something like CIA, a company that study Predator's global activity on the Earth (P2 reference) and that should be enough. Of course that all that people who survived against the Predator cant be just in one group against him, that will be stupid, especially when all the people have different nationality. But, I am in love with this actual concept that we already have. I will rather stay with this. We really dont need that much any human characters to be there in order to connect these films all together, especially when we dont have the same actors like before (Im talking about you Arnold). I know that Dutch could be there, sure. . but if you want a real connection, than Dutch should be played only by Arnold once again. In this case. . reboot doesnt fix anything, reboot actually only damage the small connection that we already have here.


Petr Švancara
Mar 23, 2018, 11:18:26 AM
Reply #95 on: Mar 23, 2018, 11:18:26 AM
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Jesus. No one here is touchy, everyone see the potential. But you should rather start think about possible damage that such a reboot could do. Most of us have fear about this movie just because the script, and you dont have any fear when you're already talking about reboot. Funny, you just 100% believe in the quality and success of the possible reboot. . but, what do we gonna do if its gonna be a bad reboot, huh? There are still low number of good remakes against the higher number of bad remakes, facts. And by the way, sometimes you cant just recreate something that is totally unique and almost perfect in its core. Sometimes its impossible to even try that. Same like old classic music, Bethoven or Mozart, why we dont have such a talens now?


ELDERCLANLEADER
Mar 23, 2018, 04:37:44 PM
Reply #96 on: Mar 23, 2018, 04:37:44 PM
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Petr I think your underestimating what can be done if the right director/cast comes along with the right creativity , I agree reboots and remakes usually fail , but not always . I used many great examples to show this point . There is a lot of room with predator to work around , and as iv said there's no reason why it can't work . I only feel a remake is crucial in order for more connected sequels and creating a rich universe. As I have said out of the four films , one was a success the rest are questionable. So clearly the current formula isn't working . There has to be point when you accept new life needs to be injected into it , I.e a fresh take.


Dan
Mar 23, 2018, 05:49:08 PM
Reply #97 on: Mar 23, 2018, 05:49:08 PM
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I don't think predator franchise needs a reboot.
The new movie was announced in 2014 june and we got if four years later and 8 years after Predators.The movie completes very slowly.If they decide to reboot that would be a few years again but thats right Petr that we haven't seen the film so we first have to see how it works.
That universe building for this franchise could also work with Holbrook's character if the movie is successful.
Josh Brolin was also rumored for the  role of McKenna next to Franco, Affleck and  Del Toro if I'm right.
I'm still wondering how Del Toro's McKenna could have been.


newagescamartist
Mar 25, 2018, 07:04:06 AM
Reply #98 on: Mar 25, 2018, 07:04:06 AM
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Speaking of Robocop, a new one with Peter Weller would make me absolutely geek out. Huge potential there with the right script. Weller's biggest gripe was the suit, and I'm sure with modern technology they could make the suit more user friendly. Someone needs to get this greenlit.


germanator2
Mar 25, 2018, 01:25:55 PM
Reply #99 on: Mar 25, 2018, 01:25:55 PM
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I like the design here. It's a little different, but change is good and the spirit of the original design is still there as well. It is said that this is the "Upgrade" Predator, as they call it in the script, something similar to the Berserker Predator. I do like the design better than the Super Predators from Predators. I don't mind the single wrist blade either. It seems more practical anyway. You can get a cleaner cut with one than with two. Despite what many have said about the script, my interest is definitely piqued here. Hope the trailer comes out soon


Petr Švancara
Mar 25, 2018, 03:02:28 PM
Reply #100 on: Mar 25, 2018, 03:02:28 PM
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germanator2 - People are saying this should be the captured Pred, not the upgrade. The upgrade Pred should be more different, bigger, heavier and I guess propably with totally unique, new face design. Well, If the film makers doesn't change anything, because we still dont know exactly how many of them are in the movie. +Plus, this image can be also only a nonexistent concept, something like an early version of first Predator costume, final version can be different. . this is still only a picture after all, we dont know yet. Oh, and btw. Oliwia Munn and Shane Black share some pictures, videos on their instagram profiles, if I'm right. Nothing important, just photos from the set, but I like the forest environment around them. Its one of the first thing I like about this movie, lol. Im still super worried about everything.


BigDaddyJohn
Mar 25, 2018, 04:45:33 PM
Reply #101 on: Mar 25, 2018, 04:45:33 PM
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germanator2 - People are saying this should be the captured Pred, not the upgrade. The upgrade Pred should be more different, bigger, heavier and I guess propably with totally unique, new face design. Well, If the film makers doesn't change anything, because we still dont know exactly how many of them are in the movie. +Plus, this image can be also only a nonexistent concept, something like an early version of first Predator costume, final version can be different. . this is still only a picture after all, we dont know yet. Oh, and btw. Oliwia Munn and Shane Black share some pictures, videos on their instagram profiles, if I'm right. Nothing important, just photos from the set, but I like the forest environment around them. Its one of the first thing I like about this movie, lol. Im still super worried about everything.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Petr Švancara
Mar 26, 2018, 06:28:42 PM
Reply #102 on: Mar 26, 2018, 06:28:42 PM
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BigDaddyJohn - Nothing new for me, I know bro. But we still cant be 100% sure about them until we see the movie. So, there isnt anything confirmed or official here. Maybe there are more of them, even if we dont know that yet. For example, how many Predators we have in first AVP? I think that there are technically 7 of them. The first three from ancient times, after them another three in modern time, plus the Elder Pred in the end, the rest of them in the end I really dont count, lol. Its a highest number yet, but their quality was really low, I was hardly dissapointed when I see the Scar Predator's face for the first time, I hate that plastic feeling, it hurts.


Petr Švancara
Mar 26, 2018, 06:38:35 PM
Reply #103 on: Mar 26, 2018, 06:38:35 PM
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Oops, I made a mistake. There was even more Predators from the second film. City Hunter, Elder, Borg, Boar, Stalker, Warrior, Snake, Guardian and Shaman. 9 Preds from the P2 if Im right. Lol, we got less Predators with each movie, interesting fact.



 

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