Disney in talks to buy Fox. What could this mean for Alien and Predator?

Started by newbeing, Nov 06, 2017, 07:34:15 PM

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monkeylove

FWIW, his IMDB entry shows that he's been credited only four times as a writer, and for short features.

Gash

Gash

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Quote from: GreybackElder on Dec 14, 2017, 11:22:28 PM
I'm amazed at all of the negative feedback on here. How can you give up on these franchise just because Disney has bought out Fox. I mean c'mon! Fox had their chance and they've bungled things for decades. The Alien and Predator franchises have had no clear direction. No end game  and certainly no continuity. I know not everyone is a fan of the " new Star Wars " films but look at what Disney has done for the franchise! It's bigger and better than ever! We have Star Wars coming out of our ears. Just imagine what the Disney machine can do for Alien!

Over commercialise it? Yeah, that is a worry.

If they continue to make Alien films, I'd hope they'd realise it's horror first and foremost, it supposed to be disturbing. Happy endings are not to be predicted.



Quote from: Shinawi on Dec 25, 2017, 07:03:37 PM
I see a lot of people complain about the "sjw" theme in the new Star Wars movie. I think the reason why I don't see any complaints over Ripley is that she clearly worked hard and suffered in order to survive. We could see the sweat, blood, and her hard breathing. It was believable that she survived when the others who were more trained and more stronger didn't. I'm afraid that the next series would lose this theme if Disney buys Fox.

The SJW thing in the latest Star Wars is, I believe, more to do with Kathleen Kennedy's making an issue where there really wasn't one to redress. Leia more than held her own against her two contemporaries in the original trilogy, TLJ does big up the female wisdom and aptitude at the expense of portraying males as hot headed characters that need to be sidelined or put in their place. It strangely comes across as far more sexist than a film made in 1977. To me it was the one really obvious flaw in an otherwise enjoyable film. 'The Force is Female' as Kennedy quipped, is not really the egalitarian approach to character study you could hope for.

You could well be right in a new Ripley figure simply being another positive female role model rather than a character that develops and shows her worth. Essentially you don't make one sex look stronger by making the other look weaker, far better to write believable characters that both men and women can relate to.

SM

Star Wars was a sausage party for 6 films over the better part of 30 years, and now because there's more than one woman per saga people are whining about 'social justice'?

ffs...

tleilaxu

I'm definitely not a fan of overtly political bullshit myself. For example, I cringed during the "animal abuse and slavery are bad" part, but never once during this film did I feel like I was having "women r good" shoved down my throat.
Like, I can't help but feel that if somebody felt they were being forced fed SJW-ism, that person might actually harbor some subconscious sexism.

SM

Maybe minus the sub.

Gash

Quote from: SM on Jan 01, 2018, 06:34:29 AM
Star Wars was a sausage party for 6 films over the better part of 30 years, and now because there's more than one woman per saga people are whining about 'social justice'?

ffs...

From what I gather reading various reviews I don't think it's about the amount of women who appear in the film (I thought all the female cast were very good) it's that there are people claiming the reason it's one of the best films is because it's a reaction against toxic masculinity, apparently the new buzz phrase. Personally if the phrase was excessive machismo, I could buy into that notion to a certain degree. I'd say though that it is largely reviewers pushing their own agendas and putting Disney's approach under the spotlight that's making it more of a talking point than it needs to be.

𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯

Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2017, 06:38:48 PM
Something just occurred to me: does Disney own Turk now or is he the intellectual property of Gearbox??  :-\

Turk is now a Disney prince Trouble.

Looking forward to Turk: An Alien Story with Daniel Day-Lewis.

Corporal Hicks

Quote from: Gash on Jan 01, 2018, 03:52:46 AM
You could well be right in a new Ripley figure simply being another positive female role model rather than a character that develops and shows her worth. Essentially you don't make one sex look stronger by making the other look weaker, far better to write believable characters that both men and women can relate to.

To be honest, I wish we'd just have characters and they sort gender depending on the actor/resses they cast for the role. Any changes for gender can be made then.

Gate

People don't like anything. They're all going to die young of heart attacks from self-induced stress.

Toxic34

Quote from: Gate on Jan 01, 2018, 05:42:28 PM
People don't like anything. They're all going to die young of heart attacks from self-induced stress.

Sometimes it really seems that way, with the fractured fandoms, hipster hate BS, and the obnoxious decline of YouTube reviewers and criticism in general going around. I really hate how it's all gone together to gaslight the public, to convince us that what we saw wasn't what we actually saw, that something we know for a fact is great is shit, and vice versa. Coupled with certain individuals' self-righteous, self-absorbed, bordering on messianic tendencies and beliefs (the obvious decline of promising individuals like Doug Walker aka The Nostalgia Critic, TheMysteriousMrEnter and Angry Joe, and the undeserved attention or fandom of CinemaSins, RedLetterMedia, moviebob, ReviewTechUSA and ConfusedMatthew), it all leads to a thoroughly toxic environment where it seems like no one can just enjoy a movie, a game, a show or a book without flame wars, being at each others' throats, and interjecting themes and beliefs (religious, social, economic or political) in their viewings of these things when they weren't actually there in the first place, something extremists on the left and the right are very guilty of. Not to mention, it's so easy for lazy myths and memes to become established fact, whether it is Star Wars not actually being good past the original trilogy, The Simpsons being in creative decline simply because no season past Season 8 is a virtually perfect one anymore even if the show is still in fact quite funny and yes, heartwarming, Metallica not doing anything worthwhile after Master of Puppets, Call of Duty being irredeemably awful and having "killed real FPS titles", and on and on. It's truly sickening. Do people just want to look for things to hate and take any chance to tear it down, even if it means contradicting an earlier point they made?

tleilaxu

Quote from: Toxic34 on Jan 01, 2018, 09:38:13 PM
Quote from: Gate on Jan 01, 2018, 05:42:28 PM
People don't like anything. They're all going to die young of heart attacks from self-induced stress.

Sometimes it really seems that way, with the fractured fandoms, hipster hate BS, and the obnoxious decline of YouTube reviewers and criticism in general going around. I really hate how it's all gone together to gaslight the public, to convince us that what we saw wasn't what we actually saw, that something we know for a fact is great is shit, and vice versa. Coupled with certain individuals' self-righteous, self-absorbed, bordering on messianic tendencies and beliefs (the obvious decline of promising individuals like Doug Walker aka The Nostalgia Critic, TheMysteriousMrEnter and Angry Joe, and the undeserved attention or fandom of CinemaSins, RedLetterMedia, moviebob, ReviewTechUSA and ConfusedMatthew), it all leads to a thoroughly toxic environment where it seems like no one can just enjoy a movie, a game, a show or a book without flame wars, being at each others' throats, and interjecting themes and beliefs (religious, social, economic or political) in their viewings of these things when they weren't actually there in the first place, something extremists on the left and the right are very guilty of. Not to mention, it's so easy for lazy myths and memes to become established fact, whether it is Star Wars not actually being good past the original trilogy, The Simpsons being in creative decline simply because no season past Season 8 is a virtually perfect one anymore even if the show is still in fact quite funny and yes, heartwarming, Metallica not doing anything worthwhile after Master of Puppets, Call of Duty being irredeemably awful and having "killed real FPS titles", and on and on. It's truly sickening. Do people just want to look for things to hate and take any chance to tear it down, even if it means contradicting an earlier point they made?
The thing is, social media has our inherent tribalism ramped up to 11. Popular narratives affect us everyday on various platforms. The vast majority of people are so blind to themselves and the way their reactions, thoughts and behavior are shaped by outside factor. I've read a few comments here with people saying "I liked TLJ on the first view, but then thinking about the movie over a couple of days I realized bla bla" i. e. "I liked the movie at first, but then my opinion was slowly warped by youtube reviews with lots of views and likes.".
This thing only seems to get worse. Fake news, targeted ads, climate change deniers, organic food fanatics etc. will only increase.

That thing about Metallica is pretty much true though.

SM



Also Metallica has not done anything worthwhile since Master of Puppets.







;D

Nukiemorph

Nukiemorph

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Quote from: SM on Jan 01, 2018, 10:34:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEAsGoP-5I
That was absolutely worth the watch.  I hate that channel and how it seems to make everyone more comfortable being blind snobs.

Alionic

I like how a channel called CinemaWins got created specifically to counter CinemaSin's tidal wive of ubiquitously negative bullshit across the internet.

Perfect-Organism

The new Star Wars definitely wasn't so bad that it deserved all the negative response.  Pretty cool film actually, though I will admit watching so many negative online reviews made it feel a bit spoiled after the fact for me.  I mean I watched the movie first before seeing any commentaries and it was fun, then the negativity kind of ruined it for me... a bit.  Not completely.

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