Does anybody actually like the Oram/David/Xeno get up and rise moment?

Started by motherfather, Oct 31, 2017, 09:36:07 AM

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Does anybody actually like the Oram/David/Xeno get up and rise moment? (Read 17,140 times)

Rudiger

Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 31, 2017, 12:28:21 PM
"What do you believe in, David?"

I think that's probably the most ridiculous line of dialogue in the entire movie.

JokersWarPig

I loathe it.
I'm not going to hate on anyone who likes it, I just don't understand why they like it.

Rudiger

Quote from: JokersWarPig on Oct 31, 2017, 12:44:24 PM
I loathe it.
I'm not going to hate on anyone who likes it, I just don't understand why they like it.

Is it OK to hate on Ridley Scott for reducing the Alien from the stuff of nightmares to a baby wanting a cuddle?

Paranoid Android

Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 31, 2017, 12:44:14 PM
I think that's probably the most ridiculous line of dialogue in the entire movie.
It's up there, but I'd personally pick "We didn't leave Earth to be safe!"

Hell, I'd nominate it as the dumbest line in the franchise, AvP films included.

TWJones

I really liked the scene the first time I watched it. I thought that David was watching very carefully to see how the creature reacted once it was born, if David's genetic manipulations in the lab had worked.

We know that some creatures imprint on the first person/animal they see after they're born. So this creature seeing David as a parent and mimicking him was interesting, I thought. And it shows that this act of creation is the only thing giving David any meaning in his existence. We also see that briefly when Oram kills the neomorph. David is absolutely gutted over it.

Paranoid Android

Paranoid Android

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Quote from: TWJones on Oct 31, 2017, 01:25:26 PM
it shows that this act of creation is the only thing giving David any meaning in his existence. We also see that briefly when Oram kills the neomorph. David is absolutely gutted over it.
Only to later show absolutely no emotion towards the death of the thing he created...twice.

TWJones

Quote from: Paranoid Android on Oct 31, 2017, 02:00:48 PM
Quote from: TWJones on Oct 31, 2017, 01:25:26 PM
it shows that this act of creation is the only thing giving David any meaning in his existence. We also see that briefly when Oram kills the neomorph. David is absolutely gutted over it.
Only to later show absolutely no emotion towards the death of the thing he created...twice.

I took his reaction over the neopmorph's death to be more about the progress he felt he was making in connecting with it...not its death necessarily. Sort of like having a computer shut down randomly when you're in the middle of writing something. It's the loss of progress, not death, that made him so angry.

At least that's how I took it. And if he perfected the xeno, it was built to kill and be killed. It was serving its purpose, which is why David wasn't upset over those deaths. He knew he could make thousands more.

markweatherill

I think of that moment as 'Alien Tai Chi' :)

tleilaxu

Amazing scene. Emphasizes what Alien is all about: creation, birth, desire for biological perfection etc. I guess the scene didn't have enough guns, explosions and yelling marines to please Aliens fans though.

Rudiger

Quote from: TWJones on Oct 31, 2017, 02:16:44 PM
I took his reaction over the neopmorph's death to be more about the progress he felt he was making in connecting with it...not its death necessarily. Sort of like having a computer shut down randomly when you're in the middle of writing something. It's the loss of progress, not death, that made him so angry.

At least that's how I took it. And if he perfected the xeno, it was built to kill and be killed. It was serving its purpose, which is why David wasn't upset over those deaths. He knew he could make thousands more.

That doesn't really make any sense. But then none of it really does. Why be bothered by the loss of the neomorph, which is basically a by-product, and show no concern over the loss of his master creation (twice, as highlighted above)? Why did David let Oram just brush him to one side, when he has vastly superior strength and reflexes? Why blow on the neomorph's nose in the first place? It's not a horse. That makes as much sense as blowing on the nose of a lion. How might that work out I wonder? Why did Oram suddenly then become so monumentally dumb as to follow David anywhere? I don't think these are the questions Ridley Scott meant for me to be thinking about.

TWJones

Quote from: Rudiger on Oct 31, 2017, 03:29:56 PM
Quote from: TWJones on Oct 31, 2017, 02:16:44 PM
I took his reaction over the neopmorph's death to be more about the progress he felt he was making in connecting with it...not its death necessarily. Sort of like having a computer shut down randomly when you're in the middle of writing something. It's the loss of progress, not death, that made him so angry.

At least that's how I took it. And if he perfected the xeno, it was built to kill and be killed. It was serving its purpose, which is why David wasn't upset over those deaths. He knew he could make thousands more.

That doesn't really make any sense. But then none of it really does. Why be bothered by the loss of the neomorph, which is basically a by-product, and show no concern over the loss of his master creation (twice, as highlighted above)? Why did David let Oram just brush him to one side, when he has vastly superior strength and reflexes? Why blow on the neomorph's nose in the first place? It's not a horse. That makes as much sense as blowing on the nose of a lion. How might that work out I wonder? Why did Oram suddenly then become so monumentally dumb as to follow David anywhere? I don't think these are the questions Ridley Scott meant for me to be thinking about.

I took David letting himself be brushed aside not wanting to show his hand quite yet. And why wouldn't Oram follow him? As far as he knew David was still behaving rationally, and if there were any suspicions, certainly Oram wanted to know what they were up against. He had the gun and David had not attacked him.

Blowing on it...it was experimentation. David using the knowledge he had and seeing if it had any effect on the Neo, which it did. I see David as willing to try anything to learn about the creatures.

But...you didn't like it. Fair enough. It made sense to me at the time as I was carried along with the story. Sometimes I get swept up in what's happening and I don't really question anything as it moves forward. I'll analyze and pick it apart afterward, but in the moment I just like to experience it.

Jonesy1974

I pretty much thought the same thing as you on all those moments in the film.

Baron Von Marlon

I thought it was quite alright.
Loved David's expression during the chestburst scene.
Bit like a biologist discovering a new species and a proud parent.

BigDaddyJohn

Liked the music mostly, felt some "emotion" due to that, nonetheless it was an over the top scene.

David Weyland

Best song on the soundtrack 'Chestbuster' along with the opening credit score

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