I hate Fiefeld SO much.

Started by bobby brown, Aug 11, 2017, 10:57:21 AM

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I hate Fiefeld SO much. (Read 53,323 times)

Scorpio

Scorpio

#300
Quote from: Kurai on Dec 08, 2017, 11:16:24 PM


Biology is quite a massive field and interests can vary drastically, Milburn also may just be totally freaked out about the implications the dead Engineer has on his understanding of biology.

The hammerpede would have been more in line with his outward perception on exobiology, making him feel more comfortable.

That's exactly it.  We don't know what field of biology that Milburn specialised in.  Saying just because he's a biologist that he should know everything about biology is naive.  There are many different people working in many different areas related to biology.

Even saying that, why would he put his career over his life?  It is clear that danger is present.  No sense in risking his life, even though he's a biologist.  You won't find this in real world scientists, either.  They don't usually risk their lives for their career.

It's just more nitpicking from haters looking for an excuse to hate.


SiL

SiL

#301
That would totally be a valid interpretation if he didn't stick his hand in a space snake's face twenty minutes later.

OmegaZilla

OmegaZilla

#302
Weren't they both a bit high at that point?

skhellter

skhellter

#303
Fifield didnt share.

Scorpio

Scorpio

#304
Quote from: SiL on Dec 09, 2017, 12:02:51 PM
That would totally be a valid interpretation if he didn't stick his hand in a space snake's face twenty minutes later.

And that was completely validated by the deleted scene where he discovers native worms.  Yes it was deleted for pacing reasons, that doesn't make it invalid.  The scene exists.

Don't know why I have to bring this up, it should be common knowledge by now, you of all people..

And again, those were living organisms, not desiccated corpses.  Any biologist would be excited over finding complex alien life (assuming simple micro-organisms had already been discovered at that point).  That is the holy grail of biology.

SM

SM

#305
Quote from: SiL on Dec 09, 2017, 12:02:51 PM
That would totally be a valid interpretation if he didn't stick his hand in a space snake's face twenty minutes later.

'So Mr Milburn, your performance review.  You encountered the body of a dead extraterrestrial - decapitated no less - but ran away instead of studying it.  There was no immediate apparent threat to your safety.  You do realise you're being paid, right?'

SiL

SiL

#306
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 10, 2017, 12:59:26 AM
And that was completely validated by the deleted scene where he discovers native worms.  Yes it was deleted for pacing reasons, that doesn't make it invalid.  The scene exists.
That it was cut -- and left out -- absolutely makes it invalid. It doesn't exist in the film. It's no longer part of the film's narrative.

Even if it had been added back in, how does finding worms make it sensible for someone to stick their hands in a snake's face?

QuoteAnd again, those were living organisms, not desiccated corpses.  Any biologist would be excited over finding complex alien life (assuming simple micro-organisms had already been discovered at that point).  That is the holy grail of biology.
He found complex alien life in a condition that was in no position to cause him any harm -- runs.

He found a complex life showing all the known threat behaviours on this Earth -- assumed it was "mesmerized" and harmless.

There is no defense here. He's an incompetent, poorly written character who did only what the plot dictated.

Scorpio

Scorpio

#307
Quote from: SiL on Dec 10, 2017, 01:27:03 AM

That it was cut -- and left out -- absolutely makes it invalid. It doesn't exist in the film. It's no longer part of the film's narrative.

Even if it had been added back in, how does finding worms make it sensible for someone to stick their hands in a snake's face?

It's not a snake, for starters, and the reason it was cut was for pacing not narrative.  It's still part of the film as it was released on the blu ray and dvd.  You can't release deleted scenes in the theatre as an extra, can you?

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He found complex alien life in a condition that was in no position to cause him any harm -- runs.

How does he know that?  He doesn't know how they died.

QuoteHe found a complex life showing all the known threat behaviours on this Earth -- assumed it was "mesmerized" and harmless.

On Earth, if you're approached by an animal, it is not always predatory.  Seagulls often approach humans, not to attack them but to scavenge for food. 

What other threat behaviours were there?  It seemed timid until it attacked.




SiL

SiL

#308
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 10, 2017, 01:42:18 AM
It's still part of the film as it was released on the blu ray and dvd.  You can't release deleted scenes in the theatre as an extra, can you?
Deleted scenes that aren't part of the movie still don't count to the film's narrative. It doesn't matter why it was cut; it was cut and left out, and no longer influences the film.

QuoteHow does he know that?  He doesn't know how they died.
Right. It might have been a hissing snake-like creature for all he knew.

QuoteWhat other threat behaviours were there?  It seemed timid until it attacked.
Making itself seem bigger and making noise. These are two of the most basic threat behaviours for non-aquatic organisms. The hammerpede flared its neck like a cobra and started hissing. No biologist on this Earth would consider that a sign of timidity or being "mesmerized".

Scorpio

Scorpio

#309
Quote from: SiL on Dec 10, 2017, 02:38:38 AM

Deleted scenes that aren't part of the movie still don't count to the film's narrative. It doesn't matter why it was cut; it was cut and left out, and no longer influences the film.

A movie is more than just the finished product.  Yes, the scene was cut out, but it does tell us the intentions of the filmmakers.  It also gives us background info on certain characters.  Unfortunately most films, especially high budget films, need to be under 2 hours or less for theatrical showings.  It may even be added back in as a 'director's cut' one day.

It's really arbitrary.  The fact is that scene does exist, whether in the final cut or not.


QuoteRight. It might have been a hissing snake-like creature for all he knew.

And why would he come to that conclusion?

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Making itself seem bigger and making noise. These are two of the most basic threat behaviours for non-aquatic organisms. The hammerpede flared its neck like a cobra and started hissing. No biologist on this Earth would consider that a sign of timidity or being "mesmerized".

Animals do that for territorial reasons.  It basically means "f**k off".  Not "I am going to attack you".  An animal will not attack something larger than them unless it's self defence or territorial (rarely).  Milburn barely touched the animal.  He had no reason to think it was going to attack, just that it was displaying territorial behaviour, like a frill necked lizard, and even if it did attack, he had no reason to expect that it had the kind of strength that it did (he even remarks "You're strong").




windebieste

windebieste

#310
Instead of a frill necked lizard, you could have posted a picture of a brown, taipan or tiger snake.  No.  I wouldn't encourage anyone to play with those, either. 

Australian wildlife.  Pick it up.  Play with it.



If you don't know what it is, you could be royally f**ked.  Just like Milburn.

-Windebieste.

SiL

SiL

#311
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 10, 2017, 03:29:49 AM
A movie is more than just the finished product.
The film's story isn't more than the finished version, unless there's a new released edit.

I'm not sure you realise how silly your argument is. You're saying every film can be absolved of any fault so long as the filmmakers intended to fix it at some point and we must read this information into the film even when it's not there.

That's not how it works.

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And why would he come to that conclusion?
He sees a big dead thing that ran from something and then a small alive thing threatening him. Hm.

QuoteAnimals do that for territorial reasons.  It basically means "f**k off".  Not "I am going to attack you".  An animal will not attack something larger than them unless it's self defence or territorial (rarely). 
Milburne is in the thing's territory, so what you're saying is he has every reason to read it as a threat gesture. Thank you.

QuoteHe had no reason to think it was going to attack, just that it was displaying territorial behaviour, like a frill necked lizard, and even if it did attack, he had no reason to expect that it had the kind of strength that it did (he even remarks "You're strong").
Again, you're saying in one scene he runs from something dead because "he doesn't know if it's harmless", then sees something alive and threatening and sticks his hand in its face because "he doesn't know if it's harmful".

All you're doing is proving the point that his character is terribly written.

Scorpio

Scorpio

#312
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 10, 2017, 04:29:22 AM
Instead of a frill necked lizard, you could have posted a picture of a brown, taipan or tiger snake.  No.  I wouldn't encourage anyone to play with those, either. 

Australian wildlife.  Pick it up.  Play with it.



If you don't know what it is, you could be royally f**ked.  Just like Milburn.

-Windebieste.

Snakes don't normally attack people, only if you go messing with it.  Milburn didn't even touch the Hammerpede.  There are a couple of cases where a snake has eaten a human.  But those are the extremely large pythons that do that.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 10, 2017, 05:14:43 AM


I'm not sure you realise how silly your argument is. You're saying every film can be absolved of any fault so long as the filmmakers intended to fix it at some point and we must read this information into the film even when it's not there.

That's not how it works.


How does it work then?  Who says it is a fault?  It's merely missing information.

Nearly every film does this as well.


QuoteHe sees a big dead thing that ran from something and then a small alive thing threatening him. Hm.

But it wasn't even threatening him.  The body language was clear, it was saying back off.  If it were threatening him it would pretend to lunge or strike or do something like that.


QuoteMilburne is in the thing's territory, so what you're saying is he has every reason to read it as a threat gesture. Thank you.

Territory also means personal space.  You don't have to physically touch an animal for it to get aggressive.  If you get too close most of the times it will run away but in some animals they do aggressive displays like the frill necked lizard.

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Again, you're saying in one scene he runs from something dead because "he doesn't know if it's harmless", then sees something alive and threatening and sticks his hand in its face because "he doesn't know if it's harmful".

All you're doing is proving the point that his character is terribly written.

I said that he ran away from the dead bodies because he doesn't know what killed them.  It could have been a virus, toxic gas, etc.. any number of things.

But being a biologist he knows about animal behaviour presumably so it makes sense that he would feel less threatened about those things.

windebieste

windebieste

#313
It's not a good idea to get anywhere near any wildlife you don't understand.  Especially snakes.  Especially ALIEN snakes.  lol.

No responsible biologist with proper training would have done what Milburn did.  No equipment.  No medical personnel nearby, no patience to observe the specimen - that approached him - that's ALWAYS a sign you should be wary of wildlife you're not familiar with.

Milburn...  Darwin Award Nominee, 2093.



Cobra:  Can spit venom up to 2m. 
Hammerpede:  Unknown ability.  Assume safe to approach despite cobra like behaviour.  Must pet to find out.  Turns out its aggressive and has acid for blood - who would have guessed..?  lol.

-Windebieste.

Scorpio

Scorpio

#314
Of course it's not a good idea, but people do stupid things all the time.  Milburn was shown earlier in the film to approach somebody clearly hostile (Fifield).  This foreshadows his encounter with another hostile life form later in the film.  His enthusiasm gets the better of him





See the mirroring?  Hand reaching out. 

Poorly written?  It was there from the beginning if you were paying attention.

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