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Author Topic: Alien: Covenant Box Office Performance  (Read 139105 times)

Salt The Fries
Jul 03, 2017, 05:11:12 AM
Reply #1305 on: Jul 03, 2017, 05:11:12 AM
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Japan will at least pull $20m at the box office.  At the very least.  'ALIEN' stuff is crazy popular in Japan.  After closing its world wide run, 'ALIEN Covenant will have taken in around $260m. 

Not bad, for a prequel.  :P

-Windebieste.

I have an English friend who lives in Japan. He's a big Alien fan and a film critic. I feel sorry for him that he has to wait for so long...


Scorpio
Jul 03, 2017, 11:46:56 AM
Reply #1306 on: Jul 03, 2017, 11:46:56 AM
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Listing all the profit to cost ratio of the movies:

Alien - budget 11 mil gross 104 mil - 9:1
Aliens - budget 18 mil gross 131 mil - 7:1
Alien3 - budget 50 mil gross 159 mil - 3:1
Alien Resurrection - budget 75 mil gross 161 mil - 2.15:1
AVP - budget 60 mil gross 172 mil - 2.87:1
AVPR - budget 40 mil gross 128 - 3:1
Prometheus - budget 130 gross 403 - 3:1
Alien Covenant - budget 97 mil gross 231 - 2.4:1

So at the moment it is sitting between Alien Resurrection and AVP. 


YutaniDitch
Jul 05, 2017, 05:12:03 PM
Reply #1307 on: Jul 05, 2017, 05:12:03 PM
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Listing all the profit to cost ratio of the movies:

Alien - budget 11 mil gross 104 mil - 9:1
Aliens - budget 18 mil gross 131 mil - 7:1
Alien3 - budget 50 mil gross 159 mil - 3:1
Alien Resurrection - budget 75 mil gross 161 mil - 2.15:1
AVP - budget 60 mil gross 172 mil - 2.87:1
AVPR - budget 40 mil gross 128 - 3:1
Prometheus - budget 130 gross 403 - 3:1
Alien Covenant - budget 97 mil gross 231 - 2.4:1

So at the moment it is sitting between Alien Resurrection and AVP.

Again, the PRODUCTION budget is just a tiny fraction of the overall budget of a movie, which includes marketing costs, copies' costs, theater owners' percentages, etc... The domestic BO is where they get the most returns and AC is failing miserably in the US, well below the production budget, much less the OVERALL one...

« Last Edit: Jul 05, 2017, 05:21:37 PM by YutaniDitch »

kwisatz
Jul 11, 2017, 12:07:27 AM
Reply #1308 on: Jul 11, 2017, 12:07:27 AM
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The one good thing is, with the budget going down Fassbender will play all characters in the next installment.

« Last Edit: Jul 11, 2017, 12:09:40 AM by kwisatz »

Scorpio
Jul 11, 2017, 01:34:52 AM
Reply #1309 on: Jul 11, 2017, 01:34:52 AM
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Listing all the profit to cost ratio of the movies:

Alien - budget 11 mil gross 104 mil - 9:1
Aliens - budget 18 mil gross 131 mil - 7:1
Alien3 - budget 50 mil gross 159 mil - 3:1
Alien Resurrection - budget 75 mil gross 161 mil - 2.15:1
AVP - budget 60 mil gross 172 mil - 2.87:1
AVPR - budget 40 mil gross 128 - 3:1
Prometheus - budget 130 gross 403 - 3:1
Alien Covenant - budget 97 mil gross 231 - 2.4:1

So at the moment it is sitting between Alien Resurrection and AVP.

Again, the PRODUCTION budget is just a tiny fraction of the overall budget of a movie, which includes marketing costs, copies' costs, theater owners' percentages, etc... The domestic BO is where they get the most returns and AC is failing miserably in the US, well below the production budget, much less the OVERALL one...

Box office is not everything as well.  These movies have a long life with merchandising.  The original Alien is still making money.




Scorpio
Jul 11, 2017, 02:45:26 AM
Reply #1312 on: Jul 11, 2017, 02:45:26 AM
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You don't know Red Dwarf?  Geek credentials revoked.  :P


kwisatz
Jul 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM
Reply #1313 on: Jul 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM
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Ok i just blindly ordered the first 8 seasons box set. Satisfied?


On topic: Byebye A:C Blue Ray  :laugh:


monkeylove
Jul 11, 2017, 09:25:45 AM
Reply #1314 on: Jul 11, 2017, 09:25:45 AM
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Box office is not everything as well.  These movies have a long life with merchandising.  The original Alien is still making money.

The catch is that the studio needs to pay for operating costs right away, cover any losses from other films, provide returns to investors right away, profit right away to expand its business and gain an advantage as it competes with other studios, and present something potentially lucrative in order to gain funding for future projects.


Ingwar
Jul 11, 2017, 10:44:11 AM
Reply #1315 on: Jul 11, 2017, 10:44:11 AM
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Studios are like casinos. They always win. Studio doesn't make one movie per yer. They make dozens. One movie flops, another succeeds.


bb-15
Jul 11, 2017, 08:23:58 PM
Reply #1316 on: Jul 11, 2017, 08:23:58 PM
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Box office is not everything as well.  These movies have a long life with merchandising.  The original Alien is still making money.

Yes. And besides merchandising there's $millions from disk sales, streaming, and fees from TV cable broadcasts.

Back to box office, "Covenant" will make more money in Japan. I hope the box office will end up at about 2.5 times its production budget.
It that happens, it's not great but it isn't bad.

Other films that did about 2.5 times the production budget at the box office?
"Batsman Begins"
"Star Trek (2009)"

Both those films got sequels. They were not flops.
If Japan's box office is about $20 million, there is still hope imo that "Covenant" will get a low budget sequel.

;)


kwisatz
Jul 11, 2017, 08:34:15 PM
Reply #1317 on: Jul 11, 2017, 08:34:15 PM
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Those other films are no sequels though, those are origin storys. So its more like A:C vs The Dark Knight Returns massacre --

Then again we got a third Star Trek, so ...

« Last Edit: Jul 11, 2017, 08:37:32 PM by kwisatz »

monkeylove
Jul 12, 2017, 07:13:48 AM
Reply #1318 on: Jul 12, 2017, 07:13:48 AM
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Studios are like casinos. They always win. Studio doesn't make one movie per yer. They make dozens. One movie flops, another succeeds.

If one flops and another succeeds, then the studio might not do well in the end. It requires a healthy profit margin in order to expand operations and compete with other studios, while investors want better returns.



Yes. And besides merchandising there's $millions from disk sales, streaming, and fees from TV cable broadcasts.

Back to box office, "Covenant" will make more money in Japan. I hope the box office will end up at about 2.5 times its production budget.
It that happens, it's not great but it isn't bad.

Other films that did about 2.5 times the production budget at the box office?
"Batsman Begins"
"Star Trek (2009)"

Both those films got sequels. They were not flops.
If Japan's box office is about $20 million, there is still hope imo that "Covenant" will get a low budget sequel.

;)

The catch is that studios need most revenues right away to cover operating costs and investors' returns. Given that, if they find better projects, then they may choose to shelve those that are riskier, or as you put it resort to lower budgets.

About the two examples, I'm guessing that they represent more attractive franchises compared to Alien.


« Last Edit: Jul 12, 2017, 07:18:34 AM by monkeylove »

bb-15
Jul 12, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
Reply #1319 on: Jul 12, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
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Studios are like casinos. They always win. Studio doesn't make one movie per yer. They make dozens. One movie flops, another succeeds.

If one flops and another succeeds, then the studio might not do well in the end. It requires a healthy profit margin in order to expand operations and compete with other studios, while investors want better returns.



Yes. And besides merchandising there's $millions from disk sales, streaming, and fees from TV cable broadcasts.

Back to box office, "Covenant" will make more money in Japan. I hope the box office will end up at about 2.5 times its production budget.
It that happens, it's not great but it isn't bad.

Other films that did about 2.5 times the production budget at the box office?
"Batsman Begins"
"Star Trek (2009)"

Both those films got sequels. They were not flops.
If Japan's box office is about $20 million, there is still hope imo that "Covenant" will get a low budget sequel.

;)

The catch is that studios need most revenues right away to cover operating costs and investors' returns. Given that, if they find better projects, then they may choose to shelve those that are riskier, or as you put it resort to lower budgets.

About the two examples, I'm guessing that they represent more attractive franchises compared to Alien.

I'm not an executive in a film studio.
The way I approach this is; I don't pretend to try to fully understand Hollywood accounting or how studio economics works.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

* What I can do is look at box office performance with movies in a science fiction film franchise like Star Trek. I can see their production budgets and their worldwide box office and what films got sequels.
That lets me understand about how much money a Star Trek film (or even an Alien movie) needs to make (compared with its production budget), in order to get a sequel.

- "Star Trek: Insurrection" was a slight flop. Production Budget: $58 million. Double that = $116 million. But the film's box office = $112,587,658.
Still "Insurrection" got a sequel.

- The sequel, "Star Trek:Nemesis" flopped hard. What I'd call a bomb. Production Budget: $60 million. Worldwide box office: $67,312,826.
Barely above 1 x production budget. Imo it lost $millions and that ended Star Trek movies for 7 years.

* Back to "Covenant". It could get up to about 2.5 its production budget from Japan's box office.
Both "Star Trek (2009)" and "Star Trek Into Darkness" made box office that was about 2.5 times their production budgets.
Those Star Trek movies got sequels.
- "AVP" had a Production Budget: of $60 million (Box Office Mojo) to $70 million (Google). Box office: $172,544,654. Using the Google budget = box office about 2.5 x the production budget. (The Box Office Mojo budget = box office 2.86 x the production budget.) And "AVP" got a sequel.

- Conclusion based on this information?
If "Covenant" makes about 2.5 times its production budget (after its Japan release), it could get a sequel.

* As for comparing a Star Trek film with an Alien movie; in several ways "Prometheus" was similar to a sci-if adventure Star Trek film.
There can be an overlap between the two franchises in terms of overall style imo.
For instance "Star Trek First Contact" had horror elements in a sci-if adventure (like "Prometheus"). And "First Contact" made about 3 x its production budget. 

;) 

« Last Edit: Jul 12, 2017, 09:04:16 PM by bb-15 »

 

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