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Author Topic: Beowulf reference in Predator 2  (Read 2074 times)

Z-101
May 09, 2017, 06:10:20 PM
Topic on: May 09, 2017, 06:10:20 PM
So I was watching Predator 2 a couple months back and something reached my eyes that I couldn't be sure was intentional or unintentional.  If anyone knows the story of Beowulf they can see the obvious parallels between it an Predator and I found a little easter egg during the Predator 2 slaughterhouse scene that references the one with the other.  If you look at OWLF computer screens in their computer command center outside the slaughterhouse you see in the bottom right hand corner of the computer screens the OWLF Logo preceded by a graphic that at first glance looks like a "BE" (with the B backwards so that the E and it share the same stem making the B and E into respective wings).  Together it looks like they spell BEOWLF which judging from the obvious similarities in the two stories i surmise might be intentional and also serve as the motivation for inventing a government agency which uses the abbreviation OWLF.  Has anyone else ever noticed this?  .here we go YOUtube style.  Check out the bottom left of the video monitor at 1:15 

a Short summary of Beowulf-Grendel terrorizes the Danes every night, killing them and defeating their efforts to fight back. The Danes suffer many years of fear, danger, and death at the hands of Grendel. Eventually, however, a young Geatish warrior named Beowulf hears of Hrothgar’s plight. Inspired by the challenge, Beowulf sails to Denmark with a small company of men, determined to defeat Grendel.  Sounds a lot like Predator 2-specifically the slaughterhouse scene

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SM
May 09, 2017, 11:18:07 PM
Reply #1 on: May 09, 2017, 11:18:07 PM
I don't recall anything specifically from Beowulf that is in Predator 2, but I'm not overly familiar with Beowulf, so maybe there is something.  Beyond that scene being lifted straight from Aliens, I mean.


Z-101
May 10, 2017, 12:04:38 AM
Reply #2 on: May 10, 2017, 12:04:38 AM
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I don't recall anything specifically from Beowulf that is in Predator 2, but I'm not overly familiar with Beowulf, so maybe there is something.  Beyond that scene being lifted straight from Aliens, I mean.


The idea of a seemingly indestructible mysterious beast (grendel) terrorizing a kingdom until a lone warrior with ballz and a secret connection( which provides him understanding) to the beast steps up to the plate is an archetype exercised in both Beowulf and Predator (2)


SM
May 10, 2017, 12:14:05 AM
Reply #3 on: May 10, 2017, 12:14:05 AM
I'll have to go have another look at Beowulf, but broadly speaking - it seems like Beowulf is going to aid Hrothgar by defeating Grendel; whereas in Predator 2, we're two thirds of the way into the movie before Harrigan has the faintest idea what he's dealing with, and it's generally to stop the Predator rather than specifically helping anyone.

The motivations seem very different.


Z-101
May 10, 2017, 12:18:06 AM
Reply #4 on: May 10, 2017, 12:18:06 AM
I'll have to go have another look at Beowulf, but broadly speaking - it seems like Beowulf is going to aid Hrothgar by defeating Grendel; whereas in Predator 2, we're two thirds of the way into the movie before Harrigan has the faintest idea what he's dealing with, and it's generally to stop the Predator rather than specifically helping anyone.

The motivations seem very different.

<this guy
Yeah but don't you see; at the point in the movie where we enter the slaughterhouse scene, Gary Busey is now archetypal Hrothgar, and Harrigan is now Beowulf...I don't think its intended to add up every little detail, that would be too as Ridley Scott says "on the nose" and ultimately in bad taste.  But the stories do echo each other quite a bit and I think its being acknowledged.

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SM
May 10, 2017, 12:31:37 AM
Reply #5 on: May 10, 2017, 12:31:37 AM
Not sure.  Both the logo and the story links seem very vague.


Z-101
May 10, 2017, 12:39:51 AM
Reply #6 on: May 10, 2017, 12:39:51 AM
Not sure.  Both the logo and the story links seem very vague.

I don't disagree.  Not positive myself.  A question I would ask the filmmaker if i ever had the chance...


SM
May 10, 2017, 12:57:34 AM
Reply #7 on: May 10, 2017, 12:57:34 AM
It sounds like something that would've been referenced in an interview at some point.

It's certainly intriguing.


DaveBOTN
Jun 15, 2021, 11:04:51 PM
Reply #8 on: Jun 15, 2021, 11:04:51 PM
I'll have to go have another look at Beowulf, but broadly speaking - it seems like Beowulf is going to aid Hrothgar by defeating Grendel; whereas in Predator 2, we're two thirds of the way into the movie before Harrigan has the faintest idea what he's dealing with, and it's generally to stop the Predator rather than specifically helping anyone.

The motivations seem very different.

<this guy
Yeah but don't you see; at the point in the movie where we enter the slaughterhouse scene, Gary Busey is now archetypal Hrothgar, and Harrigan is now Beowulf...I don't think its intended to add up every little detail, that would be too as Ridley Scott says "on the nose" and ultimately in bad taste.  But the stories do echo each other quite a bit and I think its being acknowledged.

I just rewatched Predator 2 and had the same idea about the last third of the movie being a homage to Beowulf, then went searching to see if anyone else had already pointed this out and found this forum. The BEOWLF logo seems like an obvious wink from the director, but there are enough parallels that once we noticed the similarities, my spouse who had never seen the movie was able to predict things like that Harrigan would somehow cut off the Predator's arm, that the Predator would run away after being injured, that he would end up in some kind of hidden "cave-like" place, and that there would be something bigger and scarier in the "cave" or wherever the Predator holed up after losing its arm and that Harrington would have to have a final epic battle.  The Predator spaceship lair is also underground, difficult to get into like Grendel's underwater cave, and holds more dangerous Predators.

Other things that seem too close to be coincidental:

 - The last part of the movie starts after Harrigan meets up with King Willie the leader of the gang that has been terrorized by the Predator
 - Harrigan heads to the warehouse, which is a large open space architecturally a lot like Hrothgar's Great Hall, where he teams up with warriors (and a leader, maybe a stand-in for King Hrothgar but I think more like the jealous Unfurth) - the Predator then kills a large number of warriors whose weapons are useless against it, as Beowulf's warriors weapons were useless against Grendel.
 - Harrigan cuts off the Predator's arm with the Predator's own weapon, just as Beowulf tears off Grendel's arm barehanded.  Also, regular swords cannot hurt Grendel, just like all the human weapons cannot harm the Predator, so it has to be the Predator's own weapon that is turned against it..
 - Similarly, Harrigan needs to use an otherworldly weapon to defeat the Predator in the ship, just as Beowulf has to use a sword that he finds in the cave to defeat Grendel's mother and finally kill Grendel. In Beowulf the sword is destroyed in the process, and likewise Harrigan does not get to keep the Predator's weapon
- However, Beowulf does end up with an heirloom sword as a reward for victory over Grendel and Grendel's mother, and Harrington is given a heirloom flintlock after his victorious battle in the Predator's lair.

Certainly the elements are mixed up (or remixed) in Predator 2, but there are just too many elements that match details from the Beowulf poem for me to think it's a coincidence, especially with the visual hint of BEOWLF provided in the film.


SiL
Jun 15, 2021, 11:15:31 PM
Reply #9 on: Jun 15, 2021, 11:15:31 PM
The Brothers have always said they were inspired by classic literature and hero myths to build their scripts.

Whether they were consciously thinking about Beowulf while writing it or it had just sorry of swords into their subconscious is another thing, though.


City Hunter Yautja
Jul 08, 2021, 04:42:08 AM
Reply #10 on: Jul 08, 2021, 04:42:08 AM
The question however, who is Grendel’s Mother (another monster) and the Dragon? The other Predators arn't either, they let Mike (Danny Glover) go and even reward him with a pistol from The Revolutionary War.

I understand you are isolating it as Beowulf vs Grendel at the Meat House, but that is where the allegory ends.



 

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