Conor McGregor was offered a role in The Predator

Started by FreeFacehugz, Jan 29, 2017, 10:08:48 AM

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Xan21

Offered role as Predator with dwarfism instead.

Stealth_Hunter

QuoteHuh?! What are you talking about? I've read the article and formed my opinion after I've read it.

Not after reading the article, after reading the script (hypothetically). You said you wouldn't be able to form an opinion about it.

QuoteAnd all I was saying, is that a person as inexperienced as, in this case McGregor, with no prior experience working with big movie people is not really qualified to be judging whether a movie script from a major film corporation is good or bad. 

He knows what he personally likes and he's quoted as saying what was pitched to him was "brilliant." If the headline read "McGregor trashes Shane Black's Predator script," the narrative wouldn't be "He doesn't know anything about screenwriting." People would be worried and for good reason if that were the case.

QuoteEspecially when he just asks how much he will be paid, without reading the script

Do actors typically read scripts before they know how much they're being offered?

QuoteYou're missing the whole point there friend, again.

When someone, who has never ever worked with big movie people, is offered a role, a big chance, in a major motion picture from a major film coporation, offered to stay and film not in some desert or rainforest but in Canada (a developed first world country with clean tap water, electricity and plenty of affordable hotels and hospitals with trained medical staff for his pregnant wife), turns down this big chance to become experienced in this movie business. Now ask yourself, can this person tell whether a movie script from a major film corporation is good or bad, or say that he really hates it?

Thats a weak point as his personal decisions regarding his life priorities habe nothing to do with his capability to like or dislike something he reads.

If he had read it, though, yes, he'd be able to decide whether he liked it or not. You don't have to be in the film industry to have an opinion of whether a script is good or bad. A script is a story and like any story, whether it's good or bad is simply based on opinion.

Us fans on this site don't even have a script but we sure are opinionated on what ideas, if in the script, are good or absolute garbage (look at the varied reactions to Tremblay's character description). If you said "I don't like the idea of having a Predator be the protagonist in a film," I would agree. I wouldn't say "well you're not in the movie business so you don't know what a good script or story is."

The Bonus Situation

Quote from: Stealth_Hunter on Jan 30, 2017, 11:21:40 PM
QuoteHuh?! What are you talking about? I've read the article and formed my opinion after I've read it.

Not after reading the article, after reading the script (hypothetically). You said you wouldn't be able to form an opinion about it.

QuoteAnd all I was saying, is that a person as inexperienced as, in this case McGregor, with no prior experience working with big movie people is not really qualified to be judging whether a movie script from a major film corporation is good or bad.

He knows what he personally likes and he's quoted as saying what was pitched to him was "brilliant." If the headline read "McGregor trashes Shane Black's Predator script," the narrative wouldn't be "He doesn't know anything about screenwriting." People would be worried and for good reason if that were the case.

QuoteEspecially when he just asks how much he will be paid, without reading the script

Do actors typically read scripts before they know how much they're being offered?

QuoteYou're missing the whole point there friend, again.

When someone, who has never ever worked with big movie people, is offered a role, a big chance, in a major motion picture from a major film coporation, offered to stay and film not in some desert or rainforest but in Canada (a developed first world country with clean tap water, electricity and plenty of affordable hotels and hospitals with trained medical staff for his pregnant wife), turns down this big chance to become experienced in this movie business. Now ask yourself, can this person tell whether a movie script from a major film corporation is good or bad, or say that he really hates it?

Thats a weak point as his personal decisions regarding his life priorities habe nothing to do with his capability to like or dislike something he reads.

If he had read it, though, yes, he'd be able to decide whether he liked it or not. You don't have to be in the film industry to have an opinion of whether a script is good or bad. A script is a story and like any story, whether it's good or bad is simply based on opinion.

Us fans on this site don't even have a script but we sure are opinionated on what ideas, if in the script, are good or absolute garbage (look at the varied reactions to Tremblay's character description). If you said "I don't like the idea of having a Predator be the protagonist in a film," I would agree. I wouldn't say "well you're not in the movie business so you don't know what a good script or story is."

QuoteNot after reading the article, after reading the script (hypothetically). You said you wouldn't be able to form an opinion about it.

Uhhm, no I didn't. I was talking about being able to differentiate a good script from a bad one, which is a bit different then forming an opinion on one.

QuoteHe knows what he personally likes and he's quoted as saying what was pitched to him was "brilliant." If the headline read "McGregor trashes Shane Black's Predator script," the narrative wouldn't be "He doesn't know anything about screenwriting." People would be worried and for good reason if that were the case.

He is also quoted as saying "We want you to be the main guy and you're gonna fight [the] Predator" which Shane himself said on twwiter that McGregor was not offered the lead role, meaning that McGregor probably wasn't really sure what the filmmakers wanted from him, and what he liked or disliked exactly about the film.

QuoteDo actors typically read scripts before they know how much they're being offered?

Even if they don't, it still was a bit arrogant of him to ask a question like that, especially taking into account that he has never made a movie before and that he is not really an actor, not a professional one anyway. He is a MMA fighter.

QuoteThats a weak point as his personal decisions regarding his life priorities habe nothing to do with his capability to like or dislike something he reads.

OK, thats a valid point, I agree.

QuoteYou don't have to be in the film industry to have an opinion of whether a script is good or bad.

Its not really about being able to form an opinion, it's about having a professional ability to differentiate a good script from a bad one, like I was implying in my very first post.

QuoteA script is a story and like any story, whether it's good or bad is simply based on opinion.

Thats not entirely true. The thing about scripts is that something might look good and seem like a good concept on paper, but on screen it will look like crap, and vise verca. This is why most, almost all, movies based on videogames are such a failure, even though movies and videogames all tell some sort of story. So if you are not porofessional enough, and you say that a script was good, but then in the end the movie turns out to be crap, you will end up looking like an idiot. So this is why its important to have a professional ability to differentiate a good script from a bad one.



Stealth_Hunter

QuoteUhhm, no I didn't. I was talking about being able to differentiate a good script from a bad one, which is a bit different then forming an opinion on one.

A script is a story and just like movies, no single one is factually "good" or "bad." It's based on opinion.

QuoteHe is also quoted as saying "We want you to be the main guy and you're gonna fight [the] Predator" which Shane himself said on twwiter that McGregor was not offered the lead role, meaning that McGregor probably wasn't really sure what the filmmakers wanted from him, and what he liked or disliked exactly about the film

It is more likely he misspoke by saying "lead role" instead of a primary role. It doesn't mean he couldn't follow the pitch on a whole or understand if he liked it or not.

QuoteEven if they don't, it still was a bit arrogant of him to ask a question like that, especially taking into account that he has never made a movie before and that he is not really an actor, not a professional one anyway.

I'd describe him as arrogant too but his priority isn't acting, so it comes as no surprise that he isn't jumping at this chance if it's not convenient for his personal life and other professional life.

QuoteIts not really about being able to form an opinion, it's about having a professional ability to differentiate a good script from a bad one, like I was implying in my very first post

But you responded to my post about his opinion being that he didn't "hate the script." Despite what you think of his ability in critiquing a script, his opinion of the story is telling and worth consideration. How much his opinion is worth is up for debate, just like any source who says they read a leaked script and posts their opinion here or on reddit or something.

QuoteThats not entirely true. The thing about scripts is that something might look good and seem like a good concept on paper, but on screen it will look like crap, and vise verca

I don't think it'd hold much weight if Mcgregor liked the script, but it would of he said he didn't like it. That's my original statement: if he read it and dropped out because he didn't like it, that'd be a very bad sign. But he dropped out due to money.

QuoteSo if you are not porofessional enough, and you say that a script was good, but then in the end the movie turns out to be crap, you will end up looking like an idiot. So this is why its important to have a professional ability to differentiate a good script from a bad one.

Experienced professionals green light terrible scripts all the time, though. It may inspire more confidence if an experienced person says a script is solid, but it takes anyone to decide if they don't like the story on in the script. Just like I said: Us fans on this site don't even have a script but we sure are opinionated on what ideas, if in the script, are good or absolute garbage (look at the varied reactions to Tremblay's character description). If you said "I don't like the idea of having a Predator be the protagonist in a film," I would agree. I wouldn't say "well you're not in the movie business so you don't know what a good script or story is."

Corporal Hicks

Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Jan 30, 2017, 10:46:42 PM


I knew it!!!

Doesn't say he wasn't offered a role though, just not the lead role.

The Wolverine Predator

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 31, 2017, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Jan 30, 2017, 10:46:42 PM


I knew it!!!

Doesn't say he wasn't offered a role though, just not the lead role.
I know that, I just knew there was no way he was offered the lead


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Johnny Handsome

Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Jan 30, 2017, 02:33:33 PM
Cast is cheap, setting is cheap this is a fact.ADI is not Legacy also , make you wonder , they spent the money on what ?
Just to reinforce my arguments regarding ADI, Legacy is working on the new F13 flick, which probably doesn't even has half the budget of a Predator movie.

http://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/legacy-effects-is-working-on-friday-the-13th-part-13-118

At this point, i would even go as far to say that Legacy is no ADI. If you look at their credits, after Winston passed, they rarely did movie effects work or creature work, most of the people who worked at Winston work for ADI now.

Predator_Spirit

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 02, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Jan 30, 2017, 02:33:33 PM
Cast is cheap, setting is cheap this is a fact.ADI is not Legacy also , make you wonder , they spent the money on what ?
Just to reinforce my arguments regarding ADI, Legacy is working on the new F13 flick, which probably doesn't even has half the budget of a Predator movie.

http://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/legacy-effects-is-working-on-friday-the-13th-part-13-118

At this point, i would even go as far to say that Legacy is no ADI. If you look at their credits, after Winston passed, they rarely did movie effects work or creature work, most of the people who worked at Winston work for ADI now.

It was just an example, i don't hate ADI.We've been promised a big event movie and so far it looks cheap on every level, the budget should be big for everything, filming locations, cast, creature fx and whatnot.


Corporal Hicks

You don't know that the budget isn't big. ADI are industry specialists who are likely not cheap. Just because you're not a fan of their past Predators doesn't equate to them being cheap. And as pointed out numerous times, many big films film in Vancouver. Doesn't equate to it being small budget.

I think we need to take a step back and stop assuming things we don't know the actual facts of. Especially when they're being said with certainty.

Johnny Handsome

Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Feb 02, 2017, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 02, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
Quote from: Predator_Spirit on Jan 30, 2017, 02:33:33 PM
Cast is cheap, setting is cheap this is a fact.ADI is not Legacy also , make you wonder , they spent the money on what ?
Just to reinforce my arguments regarding ADI, Legacy is working on the new F13 flick, which probably doesn't even has half the budget of a Predator movie.

http://www.joblo.com/horror-movies/news/legacy-effects-is-working-on-friday-the-13th-part-13-118

At this point, i would even go as far to say that Legacy is no ADI. If you look at their credits, after Winston passed, they rarely did movie effects work or creature work, most of the people who worked at Winston work for ADI now.

It was just an example, i don't hate ADI.We've been promised a big event movie and so far it looks cheap on every level, the budget should be big for everything, filming locations, cast, creature fx and whatnot.
You gotta be realistic though. Predator is no Kong and if you expect something huge for a franchise that doesn't justify that then the problem is basically... you and your expectations.

Just because it doesn't have the budget of a huge marvel movie does not mean they aren't putting effort in it, which they clearly already do.

And we really weren't promised anything, Shane said he wants to do a movie that feels like an event... which is not exclusively about money.

Murph Morph

He would kill the Predators with thrash talking

*Predator appears*

Conor: "getta fook outta here you know fookin nuttin!"

*Predator runs away*

Conor: "I predict these tings"

Predator_Spirit

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 02, 2017, 12:59:07 PM
You don't know that the budget isn't big. ADI are industry specialists who are likely not cheap. Just because you're not a fan of their past Predators doesn't equate to them being cheap. And as pointed out numerous times, many big films film in Vancouver. Doesn't equate to it being small budget.

I think we need to take a step back and stop assuming things we don't know the actual facts of. Especially when they're being said with certainty.

ADI is a hit and miss, the Wolf predator was allright but inferior to the ones designed by Winston studio.Their new weapons kinda suck, they looked like toys rather than alien tech.Anyway the actors are not fancy, and ADI was already used in movies with 40 to 60 million budget like the AVPs.Same pattern, cheap actors, cheap settings and ADI.But the movie can still be decent, Dekker is not as lame as Shane Salerno and Shane Black burries Paul Anderson/Strause alive as a director.I'm just saying there is nothing so far to be happy about.


Scorpio

The reason the predators and aliens were done on the cheap by ADI was because of the budgets of those movies.  They basically re-used the moulds from A:R for the aliens and the moulds they created for AVP for the predators in AVPR.  Most of the budget for the creature effects on AVP went to the Queen (which was well done IMO).  And in AVPR it was spent on the Wolf Predator and the Predalien.  The predators in AVP/AVPR (except for Wolf) all looked much the same except for the masks.

If they aren't given much budget in The Predator then expect much the same from ADI.  They'll probaly re-use the moulds from AVP for background predators.  Though there will probably be a hero predator that most of the budget will go on.

XENOMORPHOSIS

Now we're only a year away for The Predator to be released

The Wolverine Predator

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Feb 09, 2017, 12:02:25 AM
Now we're only a year away for The Predator to be released

Ready for time to fly!

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