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Author Topic: Michael Biehn - It's Going to Happen  (Read 7901 times)

g2vd
Aug 26, 2016, 10:33:00 AM
Reply #105 on: Aug 26, 2016, 10:33:00 AM
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I think my point is - if Hicks and Newt were handled properly in 3, Rippers died in 3...
But why? isn't there something else you can actually critique about the movie other than the fact it hadn't handled a character right? I mean anything? anything at all?

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I wish AvP had been R-Rated
Indeed though it was almost ridiculous how sanitized AVP was, I mean the Chestburster didn't even have any blood on it The Chestburster!. which is pretty ridiculous considering the PG-13 Horror-Comedy Tremors Series had some pretty gnarly Human gore effects at times even the TV Series had quite a bit of nasty gore.





Russ
Aug 26, 2016, 11:05:01 AM
Reply #106 on: Aug 26, 2016, 11:05:01 AM
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I think my point is - if Hicks and Newt were handled properly in 3, Rippers died in 3...
But why? isn't there something else you can actually critique about the movie other than the fact it hadn't handled a character right? I mean anything? anything at all?

Sure. Tell me how the facehugger got there that isn't fan extrapolation. From the get go, the whole thing is balderdash. Which is a shame because 3 is a horrid, bleak, depressing, grey, morbid, nasty movie. As it should be. It's SO good in parts - the tone is spot on.

To the characters: Like I said, its bit like the new Game of Thrones starting with the dwarf saying "It's a bit shit that Danyeris fell off the boat and drowned."

I've no gripes with killing them - I'm all FOR killing them. But these were characters that had survived, were invested in etc etc. Kill them by all means, but kill them off in a way that has some meaning and resonance and actually fits with the previous story. That's all. As SIL says, it would have been better to kill Hicks in Aliens - have him talking to Rippers and he's the one that gets stabbed by the Queen.

Interesting - as I type, I realise that if THAT had happened, I don't think that finding out in 3 that Bishop had been crushed up when the pod crash lands is a big an issue as the Hicks thing to me at any rate.

Newt, on the other hand, was central to Rippers arc. And ceases to be anything meaningful when "she drowned."

So, if you're going to have a sequel, for me at any rate, you need to pay some sort of attention to the previous movie. Not have things happen that are impossible. They don't even bother (as far as I remember) to explain anything about the facehugger getting on board. Now, as I say above, if we see a chestburster exploding out Newt when she's in cryosleep and that causes all the mayhem we can at least have a line about "I thought I'd saved her in the Hive... I thought she was safe. But they got to her already. She was dead already and none of us knew it..." Then we can think "Ah, right. That's a bit bollocks but I see what you did there."

As it stands... it doesn't make any sense. Which is tragic because - despite all the troubles - the Assembly cut especially - ticks ALL the boxes. 

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I wish AvP had been R-Rated
Indeed though it was almost ridiculous how sanitized AVP was, I mean the Chestburster didn't even have any blood on it The Chestburster!. which is pretty ridiculous considering the PG-13 Horror-Comedy Tremors Series had some pretty gnarly Human gore effects at times even the TV Series had quite a bit of nasty gore.

I guess its of its time, right? Predator was 18. Blade was 18. Hell, Aliens was 18. Looking at them now, they're not even 15s. So Tremors (i've not seen) is for a more modern audience.

Honestly, of all the "celebs" I'd want to chat with off the record, Anderson is right at the top of my list. I'd really love to know what he wanted to do, why it wasn't done that way and so on. He'll never go on record, the dude is a jobbing director who moves from genre franchise to genre franchise with some panache, flying in the face of horrid reviews to nearly always turn in profitable movies.

But yes... i'll always think it was a missed opportunity. But as I read often on this and other forums - its the movie business. More bums on seats for a 15 movie, more ability to market it, sell the toys and the comics (teens read comics was I'm sure the conventional wisdom at that time) - they'd have to censor the blood to get the rating approved.

On the whole, though - its still one of my favourites in the franchise (I love that they're watching "Dracula vs Woflman" in the opening scene. Anderson was well aware of what he ended up making and this is a really funny nod / dig I think).


Kurai
Aug 26, 2016, 01:44:38 PM
Reply #107 on: Aug 26, 2016, 01:44:38 PM
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It IS a shame that it has to be retconned,

This is a bit of a fallacy that I see being thrown around a lot, nothing HAS to be retconned, things would be simpler and more logical without the retcon. It is pure choice of the director/writer/Weaver.

Another thing to think about is that nothing is set in stone...

Fox have been taking a very hands on approach with the canon lately and one of the main things included in four of the recent canonical novels? Alien Resurrection continuity.
Dark Horse hasn't quite reached far past Aliens yet so there's no way to tell if they're going that way as well.

But all we have to go on is words that will most likely have to be changed since we, the public, know too much about them already. Movie companies aren't too big on that pre-trailer usually.

I feel that this may just end up in a bait-and-switch for poor Blomkamp if Fox hasn't learned a lesson from recent partial reboots.


HuDaFuK
Aug 26, 2016, 01:49:14 PM
Reply #108 on: Aug 26, 2016, 01:49:14 PM
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She had a complete grasp of the English language with accent. As time went by, more and more was coming back to her. That's wholesale.

She only has memories at all because of the Alien DNA mixed up with hers, because the Alien apparently has genetic memory. Even the scientists are like, "Dafuq?" when they discover she can speak and remember things from Ripely's life, because that shouldn't be possible.


Master
Aug 26, 2016, 02:00:53 PM
Reply #109 on: Aug 26, 2016, 02:00:53 PM
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Some should rewatch A3 and A:R instead of bitching about Hik n Nuts. More facts less imagination.


Russ
Aug 26, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
Reply #110 on: Aug 26, 2016, 02:03:29 PM
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It IS a shame that it has to be retconned,

This is a bit of a fallacy that I see being thrown around a lot, nothing HAS to be retconned, things would be simpler and more logical without the retcon. It is pure choice of the director/writer/Weaver.

Another thing to think about is that nothing is set in stone...

Fox have been taking a very hands on approach with the canon lately and one of the main things included in four of the recent canonical novels? Alien Resurrection continuity.
Dark Horse hasn't quite reached far past Aliens yet so there's no way to tell if they're going that way as well.

But all we have to go on is words that will most likely have to be changed since we, the public, know too much about them already. Movie companies aren't too big on that pre-trailer usually.

I feel that this may just end up in a bait-and-switch for poor Blomkamp if Fox hasn't learned a lesson from recent partial reboots.

I read the first novel, I didn't get around to the others to be honest. I thought the Ash thing was neat though - and getting another Ripley adventure PRE-Aliens was pretty clever thinking.

You're right - no one knows how its going to play out, there are a tonne of different guesses. I'm in the conservative "it was all a cryodream" camp, but on here I've seen some way out stuff about clones and all sorts. But for me, that's the one that makes the most sense ("Can we dream?" "Yes - we can dream all the way home...") .



Corporal Hicks
Sep 13, 2016, 08:47:33 AM
Reply #111 on: Sep 13, 2016, 08:47:33 AM
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A little piece of none-news from Biehn at a Q&A following a showing of Aliens at the weekend.


 

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