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Fiendishly Inventive
Feb 13, 2019, 11:36:46 AM
Reply #645 on: Feb 13, 2019, 11:36:46 AM
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No thank you.


I don't want Alien to turn into a full blown Mass Effect Space Opera, although I love Mass Effect.

The "Arcturians" should simply be a human colony with a high percentage of intersex people on a planet orbiting Arcturus.
Turning them into Asari doesn't fit the lonely universe Alien presents and
I believe the actual intention of the line in Aliens is more a suggestion of a further parallel
in James Cameron's Vietnam allegory; where treating another race as subhuman because they were different,
was either not acknowledged as heinous or perhaps even encouraged by military superiors.

(The Rage War's depiction's trash.)


The whole Arcturian's are aliens thing is actually rather sickening when you understand
James Cameron's intent with the line.
He was drawing Vietnam Parallels there.

IE, this was basically like that one scene in Full Metal Jacket where Joker tells his buddy Rafterman
"Half these gook whores are servicing the Vietcong, the other half have TB.
 So make sure you only f**k the ones that cough."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hch3HL8gPTk

IE: The Arcturian colony is full of "sub-human trash" and it doesn't matter if they're transsexuals, dudes, or chicks.



Drukathi
Feb 13, 2019, 12:16:35 PM
Reply #646 on: Feb 13, 2019, 12:16:35 PM
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I don't want Alien to turn into a full blown Mass Effect Space Opera, although I love Mass Effect.

Not necessary. AvP is the space opera? I don't think so. With Engineers it's become the space opera? No. New races can be added, just used on second plan. And the space opera can be without aliens (humanoids) races - like as Dune.

Alien universe is not dead space (with necromorphs, dead life forms). It's a strange space with biomechanical life forms, there is no border between life and technologies. The strange pilots who grown from the chair, parasites with robotic elements, synthetic androids who was grown like organic life. And this context I never imagine Arcurians as Asari and they all look different and dissimilar each other because they used implants and geno-modes. It's a big a field for imagine. We can even see new alien breed from arcturiands (DNA reflex) - in that case we will see only arcturians corpses.

« Last Edit: Feb 13, 2019, 12:18:59 PM by Drukathi »

Fiendishly Inventive
Feb 13, 2019, 01:10:40 PM
Reply #647 on: Feb 13, 2019, 01:10:40 PM
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More importantly though, turning the Arcturians into E.T, in any shape or form, is missing the point of their presence in Aliens to begin with. To an almost offensive extent of misunderstanding the context and the implications.

I don't want Alien to turn into a full blown Mass Effect Space Opera, although I love Mass Effect.

Not necessary. AvP is the space opera? I don't think so. With Engineers it's become the space opera? No. New races can be added, just used on second plan. And the space opera can be without aliens (humanoids) races - like as Dune.

Alien universe is not dead space (with Necromorphs, dead life forms). It's a strange space with biomechanical life forms, there is no border between life and technologies. The strange pilots who grown from the chair, parasites with robotic elements, synthetic androids who was grown like organic life. And this context I never imagine Arcturians as Asari and they all look different and dissimilar each other because they used implants and geno-modes. It's a big a field for imagine. We can even see new alien breed from Arcturians (DNA reflex) - in that case we will see only Arcturian corpses.

I agree mostly, but they state they've never seen anything like the Alien before.
What you're describing sounds more like varying degrees of transhumanism, which would suit Alien I think, a sectarian organisation of transhumanists perhaps, (E.G Devolver Digital's "OBSERVER_" VG, Starring Rutger Hauer) but not actual living E.T races. The more common you make all those things you've mentioned above, the less other it becomes and that's a grievous mistake.

« Last Edit: Feb 13, 2019, 01:17:15 PM by The Old One »

Rankles75
Feb 13, 2019, 02:38:54 PM
Reply #648 on: Feb 13, 2019, 02:38:54 PM
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Never seen the fascination with Arcturians myself.


Fiendishly Inventive
Feb 13, 2019, 02:50:40 PM
Reply #649 on: Feb 13, 2019, 02:50:40 PM
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It's that stupid Star Wars mentality of making any offhand mention of anything and turning it into it's own story unnecessarily. Often deliberately ignoring the context in which it originated or thoroughly misunderstanding it.

E.G; Arcturians in The Rage War Trilogy.


JokersWarPig
Feb 13, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
Reply #650 on: Feb 13, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
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I mean when you think about Arcturians might not even be "aliens". They could just be humans from a colony on a planet called "Artcuria" or something. The colony could have been there for so long and the cultures just become so different from other humans that that's just what the people are referred to.


Perfect-Organism
Feb 13, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
Reply #651 on: Feb 13, 2019, 03:24:08 PM
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It's that stupid Star Wars mentality of making any offhand mention of anything and turning it into it's own story unnecessarily. Often deliberately ignoring the context in which it originated or thoroughly misunderstanding it.

E.G; Arcturians in The Rage War Trilogy.

Ya, but a spinoff about Resurrection-era Walmart may be very funny.   ;)


Samhain13
Feb 13, 2019, 03:34:46 PM
Reply #652 on: Feb 13, 2019, 03:34:46 PM
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Who created the Arcturians? Cameron? Did he ever commented on what he intended them to be?

I didn't mind them becoming aliens. The marines weren't impressed Ripley had seen an alien. I assumed between ALIEN and ALIENS humanity found other alien species.


Fiendishly Inventive
Feb 13, 2019, 03:43:58 PM
Reply #653 on: Feb 13, 2019, 03:43:58 PM
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Again.


The "Arcturians" should simply be a human colony with a high percentage of intersex people on a planet orbiting Arcturus.
Turning them into Asari doesn't fit the lonely universe Alien presents and
I believe the actual intention of the line in Aliens is more a suggestion of a further parallel
in James Cameron's Vietnam allegory; where treating another race as subhuman because they were different,
was either not acknowledged as heinous or perhaps even encouraged by military superiors.


(The Rage War's depiction's trash.)


The whole Arcturian's are aliens thing is actually rather sickening when you understand
James Cameron's intent with the line.
He was drawing Vietnam Parallels there.


IE, this was basically like that one scene in Full Metal Jacket where Joker tells his buddy Rafterman
"Half these gook whores are servicing the Vietcong, the other half have TB.
 So make sure you only f**k the ones that cough."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hch3HL8gPTk

IE: The Arcturian colony is full of "sub-human trash" and it doesn't matter if they're transsexuals, dudes, or chicks.



Making them Aliens is f**king dumb, the "Woopee-f**king doo." regarding "Apparently, she saw an alien once."
Is obviously a reference to other non-sentient Earth-like E.T creatures such as the Kurn, Kriltic and Oswocs. I can easily imagine the Colonial Marines being called in to wipe out Kriltic infestations from time to time, making them lax and arrogant, hence "We stomp Bugs."


Samhain13
Feb 13, 2019, 03:51:09 PM
Reply #654 on: Feb 13, 2019, 03:51:09 PM
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I asked if there ever was any comment from Cameron(interview/video) on this. If there wasn't I don't mind each author doing their on take on it.


Fiendishly Inventive
Feb 13, 2019, 03:58:20 PM
Reply #655 on: Feb 13, 2019, 03:58:20 PM
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http://www.pageofreviews.com/2014/04/arcturian-poontang-and-heteronormative-world-building-in-james-camerons-aliens/

"Simply treating the language as it is, and without getting into a discussion on the Drake/Vasquez relationship, is there anything in the discussion preceding and immediately following the Arcturian poontang that suggests a progressive world view from these marines? I don’t think so.

This leaves us with option number one. Frost’s dialogue is a piece of world building that represents an intentional tonal choice in the screen play. My suspicion is that Arcturian poontang is likely meant to evoke a specific reaction from the audience in terms of how film depicted American soldiers in the aftermath of Vietnam. Attempts at a deeper reading probably aren’t going to end in a place where Cameron was attempting to push boundaries or explore inter-species relationships beyond the fetish level of Humans/Orion Slave Girls."

« Last Edit: Feb 13, 2019, 04:04:08 PM by The Old One »

Samhain13
Feb 13, 2019, 04:07:02 PM
Reply #656 on: Feb 13, 2019, 04:07:02 PM
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"I’m also reticent to jump to that conclusion because it takes us to a rather transgressive place for James Cameron. Interspecies relationships as seen in Avatar are as heteronormative and tedious as any sort of Hollywood schlock. In that example, Jake Sully becomes a full on cat person, and his exotic, bordering on Orientalized girlfriend bonds with him for life as a cat person. Much as I want to believe that this scene is about pansexual, gender fluid, interspecies relationships, that’s probably a bit rich for the 80s."

If only I could unread this.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Too bad Cameron never cleared things up. Maybe he will remember them if he ever get involved on another alien movie.  :P

« Last Edit: Feb 13, 2019, 04:14:01 PM by Samhain13 »

Fiendishly Inventive
Feb 13, 2019, 04:12:02 PM
Reply #657 on: Feb 13, 2019, 04:12:02 PM
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Doubtful.

"I’m also reticent to jump to that conclusion because it takes us to a rather transgressive place for James Cameron. Interspecies relationships as seen in Avatar are as heteronormative and tedious as any sort of Hollywood schlock. In that example, Jake Sully becomes a full on cat person, and his exotic, bordering on Orientalized girlfriend bonds with him for life as a cat person. Much as I want to believe that this scene is about pansexual, gender fluid, interspecies relationships, that’s probably a bit rich for the 80s."

If only I could unread this. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Before you edited it I thought you were laughing because of how ticklingly true it is, because...
Well, they aren't wrong.

« Last Edit: Feb 13, 2019, 04:14:04 PM by The Old One »

Corporal Hicks
Feb 13, 2019, 04:16:27 PM
Reply #658 on: Feb 13, 2019, 04:16:27 PM
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http://www.pageofreviews.com/2014/04/arcturian-poontang-and-heteronormative-world-building-in-james-camerons-aliens/

"Simply treating the language as it is, and without getting into a discussion on the Drake/Vasquez relationship, is there anything in the discussion preceding and immediately following the Arcturian poontang that suggests a progressive world view from these marines? I don’t think so."

If I'm recalling correctly the "it doesn't matter when it's Acturian baby" was ad-libbed. It's not in any of the drafts and I think Ricco Ross mentioned that in his I Was There Too interview.


Drukathi
Feb 13, 2019, 04:31:12 PM
Reply #659 on: Feb 13, 2019, 04:31:12 PM
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If look at an Arcturians, as a humans, what if ... Origae-6 is located in the Arcturus star system! Yeah! And arcturians is a humans who was modified by David!

Or! Remember engineers from Covenant - they all looks similar. Who know where a man or a woman is here? May be Arcturians are not unkown alien/human-like race, but another engineers colony! And their world is like Planet 4.

« Last Edit: Feb 13, 2019, 04:32:45 PM by Drukathi »

 

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