Arnold in Talks!

Started by RakaiThwei, Mar 07, 2016, 01:34:13 AM

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whiterabbit

whiterabbit

#135
Quote from: overthere on Mar 16, 2016, 09:57:09 AM
I also have a problem with that yakuza guy in Predators killing a Predator in a sword fight.
Why is there a problem. The Yakuza guy probably had more sword training and hell, the technique he used was meant to kill his foe by leaving himself completely open. Something that a predator probably never thought about aside from blowing everyone up. As said by others, human beings are dangerous. Especially when armed and in a fair match. I see no problem.

This does harkin back to how Noland was blown away by Berserker(I think that was the one) on sight. He knew that Noland was too dangerous to be taken one on one. So he just blew him away and shrugged it off. :)

overthere

overthere

#136
He just blew him away because those so-called Super Predators are just crazy. No honor, no sport. But then again, that other Predator fought in the sword fight. There's no consistency in that movie.

And by my vision of Predators, they should know how to handle themselves in a sword fight better than a human.

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#137
Quote from: overthere on Mar 16, 2016, 11:05:01 AMAny member of real life special forces shouldn't pose a problem for a Predator in a hand to hand fight.

But Harrigan wasn't fighting hand-to-hand. He had a Smart Disc. It doesn't really matter how beefy or scrawny you are if you're holding a machete.

whiterabbit

whiterabbit

#138
Quote from: overthere on Mar 16, 2016, 11:10:24 AM
He just blew him away because those so-called Super Predators are just crazy. No honor, no sport. But then again, that other Predator fought in the sword fight. There's no consistency in that movie.

And by my vision of Predators, they should know how to handle themselves in a sword fight better than a human.
No. He blew him away out of fear. That's how I read that scene.

It was said in the moving that they come here to hone their skills. It's like evolution, they train to become better killers. The Predator lost in a suicide attack. Who was better is rendered mute. Hanzo committed himself to an attack which purposely left him completely open. An over confident foe will always take the bait, and thus, it's a draw.

Also Harrigan wasn't a slouch. There was some mean shit going on way before the Predator showed up. However, if anything, the Predators Achilles heal is it's sheer arrogance. That or it's a macho thing. :P

Master

Master

#139
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2016, 11:32:18 AM
Quote from: overthere on Mar 16, 2016, 11:05:01 AMAny member of real life special forces shouldn't pose a problem for a Predator in a hand to hand fight.

But Harrigan wasn't fighting hand-to-hand. He had a Smart Disc. It doesn't really matter how beefy or scrawny you are if you're holding a machete.

What HuDa said and as far as I remember Harrigan didn`t win. He was bested in one on one duel, yet Predator screwed the job being too cocky and overconfident.

426Buddy

426Buddy

#140
Its a complete hollywood myth that bulk and big muscles make a better fighter or soldier. All that muscle requires a lot of oxygen and causes a person to gas rather quickly when being used. Royce is a much more realistic representation of an expert combat soldier.

You'll notice most MMA fighters and Boxers dont look like body builders a.k.a Arnold.

Perfect-Organism

Perfect-Organism

#141
Quote from: 420Buddy on Mar 16, 2016, 03:05:47 PM
Its a complete hollywood myth that bulk and big muscles make a better fighter or soldier. All that muscle requires a lot of oxygen and causes a person to gas rather quickly when being used. Royce is a much more realistic representation of an expert combat soldier.

You'll notice most MMA fighters and Boxers dont look like body builders a.k.a Arnold.

True.  A very key thing about surviving a fight is breathing.  As long as you are able to breathe properly and continuously, without inefficient movements, you should be able to have an advantage over somebody who is really muscle-bound.  But one cannot deny the appeal of seeing a human in peak physical shape.  Movies are still about suspension of belief, and the perception that Arnold in his prime would make a formidable opponent is very real.

I have a guy who looks just like Schwarzeneger in my fight class and it is obvious that he manages his breathing very well as he is just formidable to work against.  I sometimes think he could work as a stunt double for Arnie because he even has a similar face.  But in truth, I always find the small guys to be surprisingly tough.  Firstly, they have a life-long over-compensation, and secondly, they can be very nimble..

genocyber

genocyber

#142
Quote from: 420Buddy on Mar 16, 2016, 03:05:47 PM
Its a complete hollywood myth that bulk and big muscles make a better fighter or soldier. All that muscle requires a lot of oxygen and causes a person to gas rather quickly when being used. Royce is a much more realistic representation of an expert combat soldier.

You'll notice most MMA fighters and Boxers dont look like body builders a.k.a Arnold.
That's not always the case. Look at Dolph Lungren and how jacked he is. When they filmed Rocky 4 he hit Stallone so hard in the chest he bruised his heart and almost killed him. Something that doctors only see happen in car accidents.

The Alien Predator

The Alien Predator

#143
You're missing the point, overthere.

Just because someone is huge and beefy doesn't mean they are automatically a strong fighter.

Put Bruce Lee against someone like Brock Lesnar and Bruce Lee would have a decent chance, so long as he stays out of Brock's grip. It's not about strength but technique.

Also, big biceps don't mean hard punch, you need to KNOW how to punch and a scrawny ass shrimp can punch harder than a bullet. (It's called a Bullet Shrimp and it can punch much harder than Arnie)

Big muscles won't automatically make a Predator go for that person. It's skill, technique and so on. City Hunter didn't look and go "WOW, that guy driving that vehicle looks so beefy!" no, he looked at him use tactical thinking to go past the gang and ambush them and probably thought "DAMN, this guy's smart!"

Glover beat the Predator because he tricked him as you noticed, plus he had a smart disc, hell, YOU could kill a Predator if you tricked it and then sliced its belly with a smart disc... it really ain't that hard with such an insanely sharp tool.

As for Hanzo, well, Predator skin seems surprisingly vulnerable to cutting attacks as opposed to blunt force. Hence why they take explosions literally to the face and shrug it off but a slice makes them bleed. (Kind of how Kevlar body armour is able to stop a bullet but you can easily plunge a knife through as if it were a normal shirt) Hanzo used technique and must have struck an artery or something.

For example, if you slice a human's fermoral artery on the leg, without medical attention, they're going DOWN.

Predators are super strong, but they're realistic and believable. The big charm about this alien is the fact that despite being an intergalactic badass, it has weaknesses.

Think of Predators as big cats. A lion can break a man's neck with a swipe of its paw just like a Predator can most likely do seeing as they shred us to bits... but even we can take on a lion if we act quick and get lucky. And how do we often take on lions? With traps and tools... and how did we defeat all the Predators so far? With tools and traps! I haven't found a scenario where a human punched the ever living green shit out of a Predator with his bare hands yet.

overthere

overthere

#144
Alright guys, I accept the fact muscles do not equal great and strong fighter. But what muscles represent is body mass. Predators are probably 200 - 250 kg (450 - 550 pounds). It's hard to challenge them on body mass alone. No matter how skillful a punch is of a master fighter, his mass is probably trivial compared to Predator's.

The only way to take out a Predator is with weapons or witty traps.Harrigan did use a pretty badass weapon, but he also managed to rival Predator during the fight and block/counter his attacks.

I just don't see anything special about Harrigan that made him worthy. Like that scene underground when Predator is done slaughtering everyone in the subway but runs away from Harrigan. Why not confront him there? He wanted to kill him just a little bit later in the meat factory, so it's not like he wasn't ready for him yet.

The Alien Predator

The Alien Predator

#145
Arnie's punches were very trivial to the Predator, besides Arnie, no one else has actually punched a Predator because they've all resorted to tools or traps.

I think Harrigan used momentum, sometimes lighter fighters can use their opponents weight against them. Harrigan's smart disc likely reflected the Predator's blade and directed the force into another direction or something, it's been a while since I watched the fight. Or the Predator toyed with him like Anytime did with Dutch. That was both their mistakes, taking their sweet time and savouring the moment instead of acting now.

The whole movie showed the Predator was in a way seeing what Harrigan would do next (leaving Danny Boy's necklace for him to find it etc) and was in a way baiting him to chase the hunter to his hunting ground.

Besides, he also wanted to get that trophy out of the way, he's not risking losing his prize!

HuDaFuK

HuDaFuK

#146
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 16, 2016, 09:30:57 PMHarrigan's smart disc likely reflected the Predator's blade and directed the force into another direction or something, it's been a while since I watched the fight.

He uses the disc to parry the City Hunter's Wristblades.

Also, ol' Pussyface only has one arm at this point, lets not forget that.

overthere

overthere

#147
I hope Predators learned by now not to be arrogant and overconfident to play around with a human they consider worthy. Fool me once - shame on you, fool me thrice - we suck at this killing humans for sport thing.

That would also serve as a little bit different ending to what we're used to by now for the endings. Something else is going on besides the main character figuring out a way to trick it, or at least on a larger scale than what we've seen so far.

The Alien Predator

The Alien Predator

#148
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2016, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 16, 2016, 09:30:57 PMHarrigan's smart disc likely reflected the Predator's blade and directed the force into another direction or something, it's been a while since I watched the fight.

He uses the disc to parry the City Hunter's Wristblades.

Also, ol' Pussyface only has one arm at this point, lets not forget that.

And he's been shot like a dozen times point blank plus fell from a distance into a bathroom not long after his own bath in liquid nitrogen..  ;D

For a human in such weakened states, even squirrels will kick our asses.

overthere

overthere

#149
I wish Gary Busey actually captured him. I hope they capture a Predator in the new movie and study him a bit before he breaks out from whatever he's locked in and wreaks havoc.

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