Arnold Schwarzenegger Has Not Been Contacted About Predator 4

[pred169]

No to Arnie coming back. The Predator doesn't need to be stuck with it's own Ripley. If any familiar characters return though, I'd rather they be Lex, Isabella or Royce.

And why are people constantly bringing up Arnie's opinion of P2? Does it influence their opinion of it?

I remember Isabella and Royse but don't recall lex. Can you remind me of who this is and what film they were in.

[HuDaFuK]

AVP

[pred169]

Ahh ok. Sorry wasn't thinking about avp series. Thank you for clearing that up. And yeah I agree it would be kinda interesting to see her in another film. If nothing more than a simple "hey whatever happened to..." reference.

[Ratchetcomand]

Arnold does not have the same star power that he once he did in the 80's, 90's and even the early 2000's. I can see why Fox is still thinking about having him back as Dutch. His recent movies like The Last Stand, Escape Plan and Sabotage (his lowest grossing movie in 30 years since Red Sonja) did poorly at the box office. Even Maggie does not have a major release in theaters. I feel like Predator is a franchise where it can do just fine without Dutch unlike the Alien series.

[pred169]

Arnold does not have the same star power that he once he did in the 80's, 90's and even the early 2000's. I can see why Fox is still thinking about having him back as Dutch. His recent movies like The Last Stand, Escape Plan and Sabotage (his lowest grossing movie in 30 years since Red Sonja) did poorly at the box office. Even Maggie does not have a major release in theaters. I feel like Predator is a franchise where it can do just fine without Dutch unlike the Alien series.

I wouldn't say he doesn't have the same star power. I think it's just the matter of films he is doing. I feel like people today more look at the plot or synopsis of the movie as opposed to who's in it now. I've seen movies with pretty much no name cast that do well in the theaters because of the plot. Whereas a film like last stand or sabotage really doesn't appeal to mainstream movie goers. Not to mention he really hasn't had great luck with any movie where he's been a cop. Think raw deal or red heat. Definitely not his best films. Sure they did ok but nowhere near the extent of his other roles like terminator series, conan series, or predator. I just feel like people are going to see the movie because of what it is not who's in it. I don't know anyone who went to see American sniper because it had Bradley cooper in it. Or jurassic world because it had chris pratt.

[Engineer]

I saw Jurassic world because Chris Pratt was in it... Not because of the movie plot/synopsis. Lol

[pred169]

I saw Jurassic world because Chris Pratt was in it... Not because of the movie plot/synopsis. Lol

So you're saying you look at what's in theaters and your movie selection is based on the actor and not the film itself..... are you're saying that you wouldn't have went to see the movie if pratt wasn't in it?

[Engineer]

Normally I base my movie preferences on the plot...

... Jurassic world's plot didn't impress me or intrigue me in the least. I only went to see it because it had Chris Pratt, Bryce Dallas howard, and I was lucky enough to see it free so it didn't cost me a thing...

... Did I like the move? No, not really. It had its moments, but far from a great movie like alien, aliens, and predator.

Only reason I mentioned that was because I found it funny that you used Jurassic world and Chris Pratt as an example, and that happen to literally be one of the reasons I decided to go see that one. Was it the main reason? Nope! Free was the main reason.

Otherwise, yea I completely agree with you on that one. Lol. :-)

[Corporal Hicks]

I feel like Predator is a franchise where it can do just fine without Dutch unlike the Alien series.

Oh, definitely! And it has been doing that since the first sequel. I just think Dutch could slot easily back into the franchise and be done without being a completely contrivance.

[Xenomorphine]

Granted. But bringing the actual Dutch in, without replicating the backstory for a new character, brings some weight in. And some over-arcing continuity which the Predator films lack.

If there's a reason, sure. But most of the ideas revolving around Dutch returning seem to amount to it being a good idea because... Dutch returns. There needs to be more of a reason for it than just pure nostalgia.

Maybe like predator 2 is that dutch is Peter Keyes and you see him in the point of Harrigan and instead of the showdown between him and THE CITY HUNTER you seem Arnold vs THE CITY HUNTER

That was apparently the original plan for the second film, but I'm relieved it didn't happen. Keyes was not a very well-written character. Very superficial.

What is it with you and fan service.... Everytime someone mentions tying in a previous movie to an upcoming movie 9r adding an element in that could tie the two together that all you have to say is "no...then it would just be fan service."

I have?

You do realize the point of doing sequels IS fan service.

The point of sequels is to generate money. Fox doesn't care if the creative team involved are fans or not. They don't even care if some of that money comes from pre-existing fans or not, so long as a profit is there.

The original is put out to test the waters and see how much money they can make. Then if it's liked they do a sequel banking on FANS returning to see yet another film. If it weren't for the fans they wouldn't do a sequel. There are several films that had plans of sequels and because the first one tanked there were no others produced. Fans dictate the length of a film franchise....not continuity. Yes continuity is important but when its all said and done its about money...thus fan service is the ultimate plot point to any sequel. So my question is why complain about fan service. Did you not seek out this forum and join because you are a "fan"? Do you not read the novels and watch the older movies repeatedly because you're a fan? I hated economics in college you don't see me picking up an economic digest today. But I loved the alien and predator films and I'll sit and watch them over over. As well as read the novels. Food for thought.

Fans are seen as 'loosely dependable' income (and of possible assistance in generating publicity hype), but a studio generally aims a sequel at casual film-goers. That's where the real money is to be found. Their view is that if they're lucky enough to recruit new fans, that's what the merchandise sales are there for.

Very few properties have enough active fans to be able to rely upon them to generate profit. A studio generally has to look well beyond them. Even then, most will just be casual fans who happen to think favourably of something, rather than dedicated hardcore folk who are busy on Internet forums and vacuuming up action figures and stuff.

Again, I thought the original idea of having him fulfil the Keyes role in Predator 2 had merit. Would be fun to see Dutch twisted into some kind of Ahab by his experiences, consumed with hatred for the Predators. Could probably still get away with casting him in a part like that, so long as it didn't involve him punching a Predator in the face.

See, that's where we'd differ. That whole subtext of animosity/disrespect for Dillon getting involved in that side of it, makes me think Dutch going down that road would be very out of character.

I also see him as having enough military experience and common sense to not be fooled into a vengeance crusade. He didn't have a hate-on for Russians/whoever. He'd been in lots of covert operations. He'd know that, even if Predators are periodically coming to this planet, the one which took out his crew is dead.

Consultation role? I don't see that being offered to him. Anything valuable he knew of (which was very little) would have been dealt with in debriefing - they already detailed that during the second film.

If anything, they probably already had access to a number of military specialists who have also encountered the things, well before he ever did. Probably decades before. If they're often sighted during combat with enough history to be regarded as legends, that seems highly likely.

Anyway, why even set it in the modern day? It could be set in the past. They could even play with the legendary aspect and do a twist on 'The Keep', with Nazi personnel on one of their many hunts for occult assets. There is even the in-built historical accuracy of them having expeditions to places like South America. Even wrap it into the old long-persisting rumours about them having had access to a crashed UFO. All sorts of possibilities.

To me, there isn't any real need for Dutch to feature in another story, because it wouldn't do anything to drive the story forward. Predators wouldn't know/care about him, he's the polar opposite of an obsessed Ahab personality and he seemed to find the intelligence community and politics as unlikeable (at best).

[HuDaFuK]

See, that's where we'd differ. That whole subtext of animosity/disrespect for Dillon getting involved in that side of it, makes me think Dutch going down that road would be very out of character.

But that would be the point. The experience with the Predator, of seeing his whole team butchered in such unspeakable ways, was so scarring it flipped him out. I quite like that idea. Plus it would be a neat twist to have the hero of one film become the villain of the next. You don't see that too often.

[pred169]

See, that's where we'd differ. That whole subtext of animosity/disrespect for Dillon getting involved in that side of it, makes me think Dutch going down that road would be very out of character.

But that would be the point. The experience with the Predator, of seeing his whole team butchered in such unspeakable ways, was so scarring it flipped him out. I quite like that idea. Plus it would be a neat twist to have the hero of one film become the villain of the next. You don't see that too often.

I'm kinda in the middle here. I don't feel like the experience would have made him go ahab.  He was the leader of a military rescue team. He's probably seen tons of butchered comrades and soldiers. That being said I like the idea of him maybe flipping out a little. Let's say he leaves the military joins a privately owned paramility rescue group. Goes on a mission in Afghanistan or some desert based area.  He thought they were only attracted to jungle warfare. In the process of completing the mission he happens to run into another that's drawn to all the killing. Seeing a dead body strung up he has a flashback. Then finding another with his head and spine ripped out he realizes... it's another. That causes him to flip out and hunt IT before it can kill his new team. Could work.

[Xenomorphine]

If he was going to snap, it would've happened when he yelled for the girl to get to the helicopter. That was when the last of his comrades was sniped.

He didn't. He kept a level head on his shoulders. Worked out a battle plan. Went about it in a sane way - and when he had a chance to inflict pure revenge... He tossed the rock away. All he was left with was morbid curiosity about a totally beaten opponent.

Meeting one by accident and knowing what he's up against? Sure. But having two encounters in his lifetime would strike me as a little too coincidental.

Like I wrote earlier, Arnold's alarmingly high salary would be a lot better used on other aspects of a production.

[pred169]

If he was going to snap, it would've happened when he yelled for the girl to get to the helicopter. That was when the last of his comrades was sniped.

He didn't. He kept a level head on his shoulders. Worked out a battle plan. Went about it in a sane way - and when he had a chance to inflict pure revenge... He tossed the rock away. All he was left with was morbid curiosity about a totally beaten opponent.

Meeting one by accident and knowing what he's up against? Sure. But having two encounters in his lifetime would strike me as a little too coincidental.

Like I wrote earlier, Arnold's alarmingly high salary would be a lot better used on other aspects of a production.

I agree on the salary. I'm just throwing out ideas. However I disagree with the timing of a snap. Most military and law enforcement officers are trained to just react. It's called muscle memory. That very well could explain the fact that he didn't snap during poncho being sniped. As far as him dropping the rock at that point he was probably so mentally exhausted that he just stared in awe. And it's not unheard of for war vets to suddenly snap down the road when confronted with a similar situation. In fact it's actually very common. Sometimes In extreme life or death situations it puts so much strain on the mind that it simply can't handle dealing with that shock on a repeated basis (night terrors and visions). The best option then is to simply try to block the thoughts or visions. This is known as  repressed memories. Once repressed they are completely forgotten until some certain event triggers a response. (a Jumpstart if you will). Once that floodgate gets opened its just an overflow of emotions. Usually so extreme that a person can't handle it and either dies from a  cardiac event, a stroke, or they commit suicide.
   So yeah.... he could very well have another run in and the shock of it cause him to go off the deep end. Sorry to sound like a therapist or doctor it's just the flipping out thing is a touchy subject for me. Had a friend do a couple of tours in Kuwait. We were in a mall and something happened that triggered some repressed memories and he just....lost it. He ended up committing suicide about a week later cause he couldn't get the images out of his head.

[Corporal Hicks]

I don't think he'd snap until after, when he'd had time to really mull over the situation.

As for timing - yeah, if it was a random encounter and he wasn't purposefully being hunted or if he wasn't trying to track them down, it'd be far too convenient.