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Author Topic: What possible thing justifies a retcon?  (Read 6917 times)


Born Of Cold Light
Feb 27, 2015, 02:48:08 AM
Reply #61 on: Feb 27, 2015, 02:48:08 AM
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As far as I know, aliens can't be killed by the power of love.

They will if there's ever an anime adaptation of Alien.



For a few hours, before the alien queen ripped through her chest and killed her.  As far as I know, aliens can't be killed by the power of love.
The WY could have taken good care of her. After all, Medi machines from a couple centuries back in time could save Shaw from her chest bursting, and technology is even better by those years.

By they time they arrived it was too late; it would have burst out of her before they reached the ship.

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In fact, she made a disservice to Humanity, provided the WY had caught a xenomorph specimen, they could have found better ways to deal with that evil species, there are more than surely many more xenos out there in space and they should have started studying in order to be prepared for further infestations.



The Company wanted an alien so that they could make money, and damn the consequences.  Remember that they were willing to sacrifice an entire colony (but not the facility because of its substantial dollar value) to get hold of a specimen.  This was not a company that valued ethics.  Had the queen been brought back to Earth, it would have eventually escaped and we probably would have seen a scenario similar to what happened in the Outbreak comic.  Maybe the studies could have come up with ways to combat them, but it's like infecting yourself with a live AIDS virus to test an experimental cure on yourself.  One mistake and you're screwed.

« Last Edit: Feb 27, 2015, 02:54:54 AM by Born Of Cold Light »

Magegg
Feb 27, 2015, 02:58:02 AM
Reply #62 on: Feb 27, 2015, 02:58:02 AM
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Let me check. Nope. Still don't like Alien 3  ::)


OpenMaw
Feb 27, 2015, 02:58:48 AM
Reply #63 on: Feb 27, 2015, 02:58:48 AM
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Remember that they were willing to sacrifice an entire colony (but not the facility because of its substantial dollar value) to get hold of a specimen

Er, no... They weren't. The fall of LV-426 rests firmly in the bloody hands of Burke.



Born Of Cold Light
Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:05 AM
Reply #65 on: Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:05 AM
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Remember that they were willing to sacrifice an entire colony (but not the facility because of its substantial dollar value) to get hold of a specimen

Er, no... They weren't. The fall of LV-426 rests firmly in the bloody hands of Burke.

Who was a Company official and may well have been acting on at least some kind of tacit support from his superiors.  While we don't know that for sure, given the Company's willingness to kill people to get an alien and the fact that what Burke did goes way and above just basic corporate corruption, I just don't think it makes logical sense to pin the whole thing on him.  He was working within a corporate culture that encouraged that kind of behavior.


OpenMaw
Feb 27, 2015, 03:06:59 AM
Reply #66 on: Feb 27, 2015, 03:06:59 AM
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Who was a Company official and may well have been acting on at least some kind of tacit support from his superiors.  While we don't know that for sure, given the Company's willingness to kill people to get an alien and the fact that what Burke did goes way and above just basic corporate corruption, I just don't think it makes logical sense to pin the whole thing on him.  He was working within a corporate culture that encouraged that kind of behavior.

There is nothing that indicates anything but Burke acting on his own in Aliens. Nothing. There is absolutely nothing anywhere in the film that indicates WY purposely infected the colonists. Which is a blatantly stupid idea. If they had any idea of an Alien life form at the time still being on LV-426, they would have sent a special team to capture it.


Local Trouble
Feb 27, 2015, 03:14:38 AM
Reply #67 on: Feb 27, 2015, 03:14:38 AM
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It's not necessarily evidence of a co-conspirator, but Burke did manage to persuade someone else within the company to authorize Ripley's reinstatement if she accompanied him on the mission to LV-426.


Born Of Cold Light
Feb 27, 2015, 03:20:26 AM
Reply #68 on: Feb 27, 2015, 03:20:26 AM
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Who was a Company official and may well have been acting on at least some kind of tacit support from his superiors.  While we don't know that for sure, given the Company's willingness to kill people to get an alien and the fact that what Burke did goes way and above just basic corporate corruption, I just don't think it makes logical sense to pin the whole thing on him.  He was working within a corporate culture that encouraged that kind of behavior.

There is nothing that indicates anything but Burke acting on his own in Aliens. Nothing. There is absolutely nothing anywhere in the film that indicates WY purposely infected the colonists. Which is a blatantly stupid idea. If they had any idea of an Alien life form at the time still being on LV-426, they would have sent a special team to capture it.

A special team would have drawn attention and everything points to the Company wanting to keep the alien a secret.  Indeed, why not send a team 57 years earlier?  There is nothing that points to the Company directly ordering the destruction of the colony, but the fact that the caseworker assigned to Ripley also just happened to be the kind of person who would do such a thing hints at more than a coincidence.  Everybody agrees that Burke's nice guy act was just a charade, but the fact that he had the authority to order colony officials to check out a part of the planet with no questions asked is a major clue that he was more than just some greedy low rung pencil pusher.  The fact that he was willing to take Ripley's story on face value even though there was no evidence to support it (unless the evidence was hidden, which again points to a larger conspiracy) points to either the fact that Ripley had the extreme bad luck to be saddled with an utterly amoral, greedy sociopath (which he probably was) who orchestrated the destruction of a colony all on his own on the basis of a woman whom the authorities thought was a little disturbed, or that he was part of a larger corporate culture that encouraged this kind of behavior.  WY would not have just forgotten about the xenomorphs after Alien and probably had some top secret orders in place to be executed if they were every discovered again, orders that Burke carried out.


FiorinaFury161
Feb 27, 2015, 03:38:04 AM
Reply #69 on: Feb 27, 2015, 03:38:04 AM
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All I want is an Alien film that will be watchable and understandable for fans. After A:R until now (including AVP and AVP2) "all we got is shit." (To quote Morse).

Please stop bad mouthing Alien3 too, there are PLENTY of threads on here to do so if you don't like it. As for myself, the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 is my favorite movie of the series (and possibly of all sci-fi). As Alien3 (the member) put it: "It is like a rising Phoenix from the ruins of ashes."


Alien³
Feb 27, 2015, 03:43:43 AM
Reply #70 on: Feb 27, 2015, 03:43:43 AM
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A special team would have drawn attention and everything points to the Company wanting to keep the alien a secret.

Exactly and how can you study aliens that burst out of people in an ethical manner? "Innocent victims" of course.

I believe they were terraforming LV_426 in order to better study the Derelict. Because that rock is a dump.

« Last Edit: Feb 27, 2015, 03:52:37 AM by Alien³ »

Born Of Cold Light
Feb 27, 2015, 03:55:30 AM
Reply #71 on: Feb 27, 2015, 03:55:30 AM
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A special team would have drawn attention and everything points to the Company wanting to keep the alien a secret.

Exactly and how can you study aliens that burst out of people in an ethical manner? "Innocent victims" of course.

I believe they were terraforming LV_426 in order to better study the Derelict. Because that rock is a dump.

There may have been mining facilities planned as the planet looks like it's covered in heavy metals.  That being said, you might have a point, and they might have figured that the revenue generated from xeno-based bioweapons might have offset the loss of the colony.


Alien³
Feb 27, 2015, 03:57:39 AM
Reply #72 on: Feb 27, 2015, 03:57:39 AM
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It's a risk but nothing new for them.

Space is a big place to get lost in.


Corporal Hicks
Feb 27, 2015, 09:05:29 AM
Reply #73 on: Feb 27, 2015, 09:05:29 AM
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A special team would have drawn attention and everything points to the Company wanting to keep the alien a secret.

Exactly and how can you study aliens that burst out of people in an ethical manner? "Innocent victims" of course.

I believe they were terraforming LV_426 in order to better study the Derelict. Because that rock is a dump.

That's what River of Pain puts across. They know something is there, but they don't know what. So they co-finance the colony and put some research staff on there in case.

« Last Edit: Feb 27, 2015, 11:19:30 AM by Corporal Hicks »

whiterabbit
Feb 27, 2015, 11:14:06 AM
Reply #74 on: Feb 27, 2015, 11:14:06 AM
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Wow and here I thought Burk was just a master manipulator. I mean replacing the marines lieutenant with that green horn Gorman. However if it takes decades to build and condition the planet, that could help explain away the 57 year wait. I think Burk just got tired of waiting.

« Last Edit: Feb 27, 2015, 11:16:22 AM by whiterabbit »

 

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