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Author Topic: David Woodruff Talks Alien 5  (Read 29279 times)

Xhan
Feb 21, 2015, 06:15:36 AM
Reply #45 on: Feb 21, 2015, 06:15:36 AM
No they don't.

Alien 3 quite blatantly says they do.

And the faults with the later movies is more the actual designs rather than the execution, and we've no idea to what extent they had those dictated to them.

No, it doesn't. Woodruff and Gillis much like a certain director/producer who will remain unmentioned, do quite fine when they are reigned in and told in very exacting terms what is needed and what is not. When they're allowed to have free reign on "improving" already established designs, they suck gangrenous donkey balls. A:R was their show, and we got a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy and Giger's design turned into literal melted cheese.

No thanks.

« Last Edit: Feb 21, 2015, 04:21:09 PM by Xhan »


NetworkATTH
Feb 21, 2015, 07:24:52 AM
Reply #47 on: Feb 21, 2015, 07:24:52 AM
No they don't.

Alien 3 quite blatantly says they do.

And the faults with the later movies is more the actual designs rather than the execution, and we've no idea to what extent they had those dictated to them.

No, it doesn't. Woodruff and Gillis much like a certain director/producer who will remain unmentioned, do quite fine when they are riegned in and told in very exacting terms what is needed and what is not. When they're allowed to have free reign on "improving" already established designs, they suck gangrenous donkey balls. A:R was their show, and we got a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy and Giger's design turned into literal melted cheese.

No thanks.

Why do you feel the need to over exaggerate.


whiterabbit
Feb 21, 2015, 07:37:43 AM
Reply #48 on: Feb 21, 2015, 07:37:43 AM
Well... I think it's usually true that special effects professionals make for crappy directors. They're just very different art forms. *Cough* avpr anybody.



HuDaFuK
Feb 21, 2015, 09:11:27 AM
Reply #50 on: Feb 21, 2015, 09:11:27 AM
A:R was their show, and we got a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy and Giger's design turned into literal melted cheese.

You realise it was actually Jeunet who wanted a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy? He specifically told ADI to make the Newborn more human than Alien.



Xhan
Feb 21, 2015, 04:15:22 PM
Reply #52 on: Feb 21, 2015, 04:15:22 PM
No they don't.

Alien 3 quite blatantly says they do.

And the faults with the later movies is more the actual designs rather than the execution, and we've no idea to what extent they had those dictated to them.

No, it doesn't. Woodruff and Gillis much like a certain director/producer who will remain unmentioned, do quite fine when they are riegned in and told in very exacting terms what is needed and what is not. When they're allowed to have free reign on "improving" already established designs, they suck gangrenous donkey balls. A:R was their show, and we got a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy and Giger's design turned into literal melted cheese.

No thanks.

Why do you feel the need to over exaggerate.

Not the one exaggerating things here.




literal. melted. cheese.



it's what's for dinner.


A:R was their show, and we got a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy and Giger's design turned into literal melted cheese.

You realise it was actually Jeunet who wanted a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy? He specifically told ADI to make the Newborn more human than Alien.

We've all watched the same documentaries, read the same articles. The final visual thematics were in their hands, hence the eidting done post-wrap. More human than Alien is a very broad swath, and so is "make it delicate but dangerous".

« Last Edit: Feb 21, 2015, 04:23:01 PM by Xhan »

razeak
Feb 21, 2015, 05:18:02 PM
Reply #53 on: Feb 21, 2015, 05:18:02 PM
No they don't.

Alien 3 quite blatantly says they do.

And the faults with the later movies is more the actual designs rather than the execution, and we've no idea to what extent they had those dictated to them.

No, it doesn't. Woodruff and Gillis much like a certain director/producer who will remain unmentioned, do quite fine when they are riegned in and told in very exacting terms what is needed and what is not. When they're allowed to have free reign on "improving" already established designs, they suck gangrenous donkey balls. A:R was their show, and we got a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy and Giger's design turned into literal melted cheese.

No thanks.

Why do you feel the need to over exaggerate.

It looked like a pretty accurate description actually. Melted cheese and scurvy were especially on point.


NetworkATTH
Feb 21, 2015, 08:45:47 PM
Reply #54 on: Feb 21, 2015, 08:45:47 PM
No they don't.

Alien 3 quite blatantly says they do.

And the faults with the later movies is more the actual designs rather than the execution, and we've no idea to what extent they had those dictated to them.

No, it doesn't. Woodruff and Gillis much like a certain director/producer who will remain unmentioned, do quite fine when they are riegned in and told in very exacting terms what is needed and what is not. When they're allowed to have free reign on "improving" already established designs, they suck gangrenous donkey balls. A:R was their show, and we got a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy and Giger's design turned into literal melted cheese.

No thanks.

Why do you feel the need to over exaggerate.

Not the one exaggerating things here.




literal. melted. cheese.



it's what's for dinner.


A:R was their show, and we got a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy and Giger's design turned into literal melted cheese.

You realise it was actually Jeunet who wanted a fat albino hermaphrodite with scurvy? He specifically told ADI to make the Newborn more human than Alien.

We've all watched the same documentaries, read the same articles. The final visual thematics were in their hands, hence the eidting done post-wrap. More human than Alien is a very broad swath, and so is "make it delicate but dangerous".

Aside from the context of the film itself, and opinions about texture, the mechanics of how the alien works are far superior to that of Alien, and depending on scene, Aliens. The opinion you have is about texture, and what material they used to present it.

It's not a bad animatronic at all. It's actually really well built. The point of contention here is aesthetic difference, not performance. If you've seen ADI's other work, you would realize they're capable at their job, you just disagree with how they pulled the films off, over a decade ago.


OpenMaw
Feb 22, 2015, 07:46:34 AM
Reply #55 on: Feb 22, 2015, 07:46:34 AM
No, I think some of it has to do with performance, and the way that performance is presented too.

One thing I utterly hate is the roaring they gave to the aliens, and in all the films post Resurrection, the really silly looking lip quivering.



PsyKore
Feb 22, 2015, 07:59:42 AM
Reply #56 on: Feb 22, 2015, 07:59:42 AM
There's something lethargic about the aliens in AR. And I find they tend to just walk at their victims like they don't care. There's none of this attack-from-the-shadows business like in the prior films. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, I dunno, they just seemed more... unimaginative than usual.

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Omegamorph
Feb 22, 2015, 08:27:45 AM
Reply #57 on: Feb 22, 2015, 08:27:45 AM
They're just as slow as the first Alien.

They're fast when they want to -- see the underwater scene. Something that does bother me is how the Alien on the ladder does not just pull Wriess and Christie down with ease once it gets a good grip.


whiterabbit
Feb 22, 2015, 08:41:25 AM
Reply #58 on: Feb 22, 2015, 08:41:25 AM


Oh good god that alien drool...I don't remember it being that bad in other movies. Didn't ADI twerk the aliens for convenience in A|R, such as that fin they added to the tail so it would make the swimming look more legit? Plus they were just so damn slimy in A|R. They added a lot of crap that was not needed.


PsyKore
Feb 23, 2015, 10:48:24 AM
Reply #59 on: Feb 23, 2015, 10:48:24 AM
They're just as slow as the first Alien.

I mean the first one, and even Cameron's and Fincher's, had more wraith-like qualities at times, and they moved with real purpose. The Res-aliens really lack those aspects; they feel kinda aimless and it feels like they just happen to run into people now and then, even though it's probably not the directors intention. I dunno, it's just the impression I get from that movie, haha.


 

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