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Author Topic: Alien: River of Pain (Book 3) - Reviews  (Read 25799 times)

Corporal Hicks
Dec 24, 2014, 08:37:36 AM
Reply #105 on: Dec 24, 2014, 08:37:36 AM
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It calms down soon, don't worry. But it bookends with bits from Aliens to connect it to the film.



HuDaFuK
Dec 30, 2014, 10:07:43 AM
Reply #107 on: Dec 30, 2014, 10:07:43 AM
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...but my focus was mostly on the scenes of Newt and her family from the Extended Edition of Cameron’s Aliens...

So why the f*ck didn't they tie up with those scenes?


Ultramorph
Jan 08, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
Reply #108 on: Jan 08, 2015, 09:40:40 PM
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I finished River of Pain last night, and I have to say that the Titan trilogy, for me, peaked right at the start with Out of the Shadows. RoP was fairly good, and definitely didn't leave me as unsatisfied as Sea of Sorrows, but certain elements of the book didn't work for me. Full thoughts, with spoilers, below.

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HuDaFuK
Jan 09, 2015, 10:47:39 AM
Reply #109 on: Jan 09, 2015, 10:47:39 AM
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I actually hated that scene. The Marine's reaction was yet another example of characters leaping straight to conclusions the reader knows to be true, but the characters themselves have no real evidence to suggest. The minute he saw that he knew what was going on, yet nothing before that suggested the colonists had to have been killed, nor was there any evidence it was intentional on the part of the scientists.


Corporal Hicks
Jan 09, 2015, 10:49:54 AM
Reply #110 on: Jan 09, 2015, 10:49:54 AM
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Hadn't they seen the acid blood at this point?


HuDaFuK
Jan 09, 2015, 10:54:29 AM
Reply #111 on: Jan 09, 2015, 10:54:29 AM
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Yes, but I don't remember them seeing anything to suggest taking off a Facehugger was fatal. Difficult, yes, but not necessarily terminal. Even if someone had died in the process, there was nothing to suggest it couldn't have been an accident borne out of desperation.


Corporal Hicks
Jan 09, 2015, 12:26:40 PM
Reply #112 on: Jan 09, 2015, 12:26:40 PM
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Whilst I definitely agree with you about the conclusion jumping, I don't think that one was too much of a stretch. It would have been better if it'd been shown.

BTW we've got the Chris Golden interview back. I'm awaiting some response to follow-up and I need to get it all pretty but it should be up over the weekend. He didn't really want to talk about the mistakes so...that wasn't talked about.


janenad
Jan 10, 2015, 05:40:14 PM
Reply #113 on: Jan 10, 2015, 05:40:14 PM
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He didn't want to talk about the mistakes? Now that's mature... -.-" It's just annoying me that his book had the most mistakes, and the most important ones! The worst thing is, the mistakes in his book were the hardest ones to make, it's one thing when someone forgets a set piece or some data from dialog in previous movies that interferes with what you're writing now, but here he had to just copy the dialog and look of the characters, and the obvious Jockey ship layout. It really does ruin the immersion.


Mr. Clemens
Jan 10, 2015, 07:03:27 PM
Reply #114 on: Jan 10, 2015, 07:03:27 PM
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About the dialogue changes, I've been wondering: could that be a legal thing? Is a writer able to grab Cameron's dialogue whole-cloth and then say, 'written by Christopher Golden'? Something to think about, anyway...


HuDaFuK
Jan 10, 2015, 07:12:05 PM
Reply #115 on: Jan 10, 2015, 07:12:05 PM
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About the dialogue changes, I've been wondering: could that be a legal thing? Is a writer able to grab Cameron's dialogue whole-cloth and then say, 'written by Christopher Golden'? Something to think about, anyway...

But some of the scenes were verbatim...


Mr. Clemens
Jan 10, 2015, 10:22:28 PM
Reply #116 on: Jan 10, 2015, 10:22:28 PM
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About the dialogue changes, I've been wondering: could that be a legal thing? Is a writer able to grab Cameron's dialogue whole-cloth and then say, 'written by Christopher Golden'? Something to think about, anyway...

But some of the scenes were verbatim...

Ah, didn't realize... I only remember the errors. :D


Corporal Hicks
Jan 13, 2015, 08:57:30 AM
Reply #117 on: Jan 13, 2015, 08:57:30 AM
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He didn't want to talk about the mistakes? Now that's mature... -.-" It's just annoying me that his book had the most mistakes, and the most important ones! The worst thing is, the mistakes in his book were the hardest ones to make, it's one thing when someone forgets a set piece or some data from dialog in previous movies that interferes with what you're writing now, but here he had to just copy the dialog and look of the characters, and the obvious Jockey ship layout. It really does ruin the immersion.

I was a little disappointed that he didn't want to but I guess there's only so much fan outrage you can take. To be fair to him, he did say he'd got mistakes he'd like to go back and fix but *shrugs*.

I still enjoyed the novel despite those mistakes - as easy as they were to makes. I've yet to read the perfect Aliens novel. And I'm still dying for it.


HuDaFuK
Jan 13, 2015, 09:14:06 AM
Reply #118 on: Jan 13, 2015, 09:14:06 AM
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I think the errors are doubly disappointing in this one because the fall of Hadley's Hope is such a pivotal story that we've all waited a long time to hear.



 

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