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Author Topic: Alien/Predator Novel Reviews  (Read 31056 times)

Corporal Hicks
Oct 22, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
Reply #540 on: Oct 22, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
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Isn't that made overt in the audio drama too?


Gentleman Death
Oct 22, 2020, 07:52:41 PM
Reply #541 on: Oct 22, 2020, 07:52:41 PM
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Isn't that made overt in the audio drama too?

Haven’t listened to any of the audio dramas yet so I’m not sure. Listened to the interview and it was good other than the fact that he couldn’t discuss anything since it hadn’t been released yet.

I think I might’ve heard it kinda garbled but did Hicks mention something about the end of events in Out of Shadows possibly leading into Prometheus or having something related?


felix
Oct 23, 2020, 04:48:29 AM
Reply #542 on: Oct 23, 2020, 04:48:29 AM
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Just read Predator Stalking Shadows.

Yeah, this wasn't very good. The characters just felt off.

South China Sea remains the best Predator novel so far.



Gentleman Death
Oct 29, 2020, 03:01:28 AM
Reply #544 on: Oct 29, 2020, 03:01:28 AM
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Finished River of Pain...

With this being the conclusion to the trilogy (Shadow and Sea being the first two installments) I’m happy it was last, as this was the weakest of the three.

I felt like this book at a lot of potential, especially with it centering around the fall of Hadleys Hope on LV-426/Acheron. Instead the first 200 pages wasted time on characters and stories that had no outcome or little to no involvement with the final product. Case in point, Captain Brackett and Draper. There was hinted at a possible power struggle and the two barely had any interaction. Why put this at all when the two are never together until the end and accomplished nothing?

The love story of newts parents, Anne and Russ, with Brackett being a past lover of Anne. It was a completely unnecessary and the story could’ve continued without it. Plus I feel it was only added to the story to somehow sympathize with how he feels with the end result.

It’s briefly mentioned about the state of the planet being unstable a few years prior to the events happening at Hadleys Hope. Why? I don’t know and confused as to how it was never was brought up again. There was a whole chapter of how the ground was splitting one of the processors....and then nothing, rather confusing.

 Out of all the books I’ve been reading of Aliens, this one by far takes the cake on the weakest written chest bursting scene regarding Russ’ character. I think it was, “He screamed in agony. Pain. Thing runs off.” I had to reread the two sentences and roll my eyes.

This one probably bothered me the most. So, Russ comes back with the FH attached and they send people out to secure the ship. Instead of that, several people return with FHs attached, like 5 people. Now, Anne informed them what had happened but yet the people were stupid enough to go to the eggs anyway? Its a hard stretch for me. Annnddd when the aliens burst out from the colonists back at the med lab, they continue to let the aliens run off after coming out! Wtf!?

The little tie-ins to Aliens is nice though. Like why the marines weren’t with Anne and Russ when they went to the location of the craft, I was wondering how the author was going to do that once I knew there would be marines at the colony.

I also liked how the aliens would “spit” on the humans faces to paralyze them so they could be moved easily. I hadn’t thought of them needing to do anything like that but it makes sense and adds to it being even more intrusive.

Finally, the ending...now that I’ve read the trilogy and all three are open ended, what the hell happens...? Are any ever mentioned again? I mean, the ending to this was left with survivors...

The last 3/4s of the book was pretty good so it wasn’t a complete eye roll. Overall I feel like the author did a swing and miss with this. Like I said in the beginning, it could’ve been so much greater, with the scale, fighting and outcome. Sadly it was mild when it should’ve been hot.

Bug Hunt is next....

Side note: below are the remaining Alien novels I have left. Should I read these in any type of order?

Prototype
Isolation
Phalanx
Cold Forge
Echo

« Last Edit: Oct 29, 2020, 03:09:32 AM by Gentleman Death »

SM
Oct 29, 2020, 03:40:22 AM
Reply #545 on: Oct 29, 2020, 03:40:22 AM
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Chronologically they go:

Isolation
Prototype
Echo
Cold Forge
Phalanx

You don't need to read them in that order though.  They're standalone stories.

As for River of Pain, how you've described Russ's chestburster is so way off base that I'm having trouble believing you actually read it.

Absolutely there were missed opportunities in that book - and I would've preferred Colonial Marshals to marines - but without the character set up, there's no punch when the hammer drops.  Brackett has a past with Anne, which causes some drama with Russ - drama leads to tension and conflict; same deal with Brackett and Draper which leads to the race to get back to the escape ship;  Brackett's decision to stop marines accompanying colonists inadvertently has dire consequences, on his ex-girlfriend no less; the early chapter about earthquake is simply foreshadowing and setting up the terraforming concept with more than one processor.  And they didn't let the Aliens run off after they birth in the med lab - there's an argument over killing vs. capturing and before it can be settled, Aliens attack making it moot.

And yes, all three books in that trilogy have survivors at the end.  With the RoP survivors (mirroring the film upon which it's based) plus Fire & Stone plus the RPG repurposing the story again for the Hope's Last Day scenario, I'm surprised the marines found anyone in the hive in the film.  ;)

The consequences of Sea of Sorrows lead into the first book of the Rage War (though Lebbon buggered up the dates a bit), but there was no follow up for characters in OotS or RoP.  Brackett and co. could've hooked up with someone from one of the books you've yet to read - had Brian Wood not turned out to be a turd.

« Last Edit: Oct 29, 2020, 04:13:13 AM by SM »

HuDaFuK
Oct 29, 2020, 10:08:23 AM
Reply #546 on: Oct 29, 2020, 10:08:23 AM
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Bug Hunt is next....

Man that anthology was all over the place. Some of the shorts were excellent. Some were atrocious. Most were just kinda meh.

I'm with you on River of Pain being the weakest of that trilogy though. It comfortably had the most potential of the three, but as with Newt's Tale I felt like it largely squandered what could've been an excellent tale.

Brackett and co. could've hooked up with someone from one of the books you've yet to read - had Brian Wood not turned out to be a turd.

That's a shame to hear.


SM
Oct 29, 2020, 10:44:38 AM
Reply #547 on: Oct 29, 2020, 10:44:38 AM
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Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that was going to happen - only that the timeframe would've fit.


HuDaFuK
Oct 29, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
Reply #548 on: Oct 29, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
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Ah, gotcha.


Corporal Hicks
Oct 29, 2020, 10:48:33 AM
Reply #549 on: Oct 29, 2020, 10:48:33 AM
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It's been a little while since I read it, but I remember really enjoying the portrayal of the frontier-life and just how hard physically and mentally it was on the people who pursued it. I also really liked Brackett myself, I thought he was just such a good dude. That said, his saving of Newt's friend whose name escapes me at the minute was empty, because she was just a surrogate for Newt. Like with Out of the Shadows, I still enjoyed it quite a bit in spite of the issues.


SM
Oct 29, 2020, 01:24:34 PM
Reply #550 on: Oct 29, 2020, 01:24:34 PM
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Luisa Cantrell.

Brackett = Ripley
Paris = Hicks
Mori = Bishop
Luisa = Newt

I found the ending a little trite in that regard.

But then OotS ended with Hoop drifting a la Ripley too.


HuDaFuK
Oct 29, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
Reply #551 on: Oct 29, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
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It might've meant something more if Louisa had been a key character prior to that, but from memory we barely encounter her.


Gentleman Death
Oct 29, 2020, 06:38:13 PM
Reply #552 on: Oct 29, 2020, 06:38:13 PM
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It might've meant something more if Louisa had been a key character prior to that, but from memory we barely encounter her.

She had only been mentioned once or twice, very briefly, as a friend of newts I believe.

And the scene I was describing about Russ’ chest yesterday scene was an exaggeration oh how non tense and detail oriented.

I didn’t think of the comparisons that you listed SM about the characters relating to Aliens at the end of the novel but they fit pretty well!

I figured once I was done with the Alien novels I’d give the Rage War a try since you’d mentioned it follows SoS events.

I liked the trilogy of books a lot and wish the final could’ve ended better.

It’s a shame you don’t really get a follow up with the characters who survived but I suppose some things are left unsaid..



Xiggz456
Oct 30, 2020, 07:22:02 PM
Reply #554 on: Oct 30, 2020, 07:22:02 PM
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I’d recommend giving The Rage War a go as it’s loosely a sequel trilogy to the first trilogy that you just read and it was released right after it also. Also now that you’ve read the first trilogy I’d highly recommend giving the audio drama adaptations a go. If you’ve never had a subscription with Audible then you get a 2 week free trial that includes two free audiobooks (or dramas in this case) which you can keep even if you cancel your subscription before the free trial expires. So you could get 2 out of 3 free if you’re interested.


 

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