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Author Topic: Should Predator 4 plot be in the jungle or in the ...  (Read 47707 times)



SiL
Jul 16, 2014, 10:19:41 PM
Reply #332 on: Jul 16, 2014, 10:19:41 PM
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We are shown exactly what the beast sees, though.
Yup, which is hard to see for a human. Predators aren't humans. The end. Movie shows he can track, he can track; your inability to distinguish people from a distance doesn't mean it can't.


Xenomorphine
Jul 17, 2014, 12:23:54 AM
Reply #333 on: Jul 17, 2014, 12:23:54 AM
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Yes, set it in Mogadishu.

US forces are unlikely ever to go back there.

Yup, which is hard to see for a human. Predators aren't humans. The end. Movie shows he can track, he can track; your inability to distinguish people from a distance doesn't mean it can't.

Dude, it's just stripes of colour. The Predator can't magically see something in it you and I can't. That's what the mask is filtering and that's what it sees. Until we get a movie which states otherwise, it can't discriminate faces at a distance.

We can say they might be telepathic or might have microscopic little tracking devices, but the movie doesn't show those, either. Based purely on screen, once it's got prey on screen, it'll be very good seeing where it's (immediately) gone, but their version of heat vision is rubbish for facial recognition.

And we certainly don't see any 'Terminator 3'-style graphics of the mask zooming in on a fingerprint database or an iris ID, either. :)

And, see, this is what should happen. Predators aren't omnipotent. They've got tools which are amazingly good for certain situations, sure - but are going to be piss-poor in others. Just like human beings have.


SiL
Jul 17, 2014, 02:10:17 AM
Reply #334 on: Jul 17, 2014, 02:10:17 AM
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It's infra-red. It's stripes of colour to us because our infra-red cameras weren't so great back then.

Show where the movies establish Predators can't differentiate people (emphasis on the word Predators, not whether you can) because their vision is shit and you'll have a plothole. Until then, the logic of the movies is they see and identify individuals just fine.

« Last Edit: Jul 17, 2014, 02:12:18 AM by SiL »

Spoonman101
Jul 17, 2014, 04:59:39 AM
Reply #335 on: Jul 17, 2014, 04:59:39 AM
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It's infra-red. It's stripes of colour to us because our infra-red cameras weren't so great back then.

Show where the movies establish Predators can't differentiate people (emphasis on the word Predators, not whether you can) because their vision is shit and you'll have a plothole. Until then, the logic of the movies is they see and identify individuals just fine.

Plot Interval

And the movie did show him not being able to differentiate heat signatures. It's debatable but very valid. Do you know which scene I'm talkin` aboot?


SiL
Jul 17, 2014, 07:55:35 AM
Reply #336 on: Jul 17, 2014, 07:55:35 AM
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The closest we've seen is the original Predator mistaking a partially covered heat signal for maybe being Dutch in Predator -- but it was obscured. You might be referring to the subway scene, but nothing says the Predator is having any trouble with anything other than the fact there's a shitload of armed people between him and his target.



Spoonman101
Jul 17, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
Reply #338 on: Jul 17, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
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The closest we've seen is the original Predator mistaking a partially covered heat signal for maybe being Dutch in Predator -- but it was obscured. You might be referring to the subway scene, but nothing says the Predator is having any trouble with anything other than the fact there's a shitload of armed people between him and his target.
That was precisely it SiL, that is why it was debatable. Other than that, even if a Predator was used to his vision doesn't mean that it uses it to identify things. Sight is the Predator's inferior sense, no debate there. Even if it has adapted to using it, there is nothing it can do with it hence why the helmets.

Yes, set it in Mogadishu.

US forces are unlikely ever to go back there.



Shane Black Presents
Our Dutch cameo!


Magegg
Jul 17, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
Reply #339 on: Jul 17, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
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I wouldn't be against a sequel in which Dutch is the President of USA.






DaddyYautja
Jul 17, 2014, 08:38:50 PM
Reply #344 on: Jul 17, 2014, 08:38:50 PM
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The Pred could tell that Maria Conchita Alonso was pregnant.
The dude can obviously tell heartbeats.
Their tech obviously has other stuff that were not clearly shown in the film.

We were shown how it was able to do those things, though. being able to sift through, literally, millions of fuzzy heat blobs to zero in on a single human being? Without him growing some kind of extra limb or having an unusual shape or height, I'm not understanding how. Those things would show up on thermal, but faces didn't. Not at any real distance.


What about the heartbeats?
You didnt answer that, he was able to tell a baby before the mother knew she was pregnant.


 

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