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Author Topic: Script in the works for PROM Seq  (Read 40670 times)

Omegamorph
Mar 13, 2013, 01:21:06 PM
Reply #300 on: Mar 13, 2013, 01:21:06 PM
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Ridley Scott: "He was perceived, the giant was perceived as skeletal and erm, I kept staring at the skeleton which was kind of a wonderful drawing by H R Giger, and erm, then I thought, twenty, thirty, twenty, actually twenty six years on (1995?), I thought what if this is not a skeleton, but, because we only see it as a skeleton, because of our own, the way we see things in our own indoctrination, and er now I thought, what happens if its another form of protection or a suit? If its a suit then what's inside the suit" ( Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo's Film reviews, BBCRadio 5 live, 01 June 2012.

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Gash
Mar 13, 2013, 02:43:28 PM
Reply #301 on: Mar 13, 2013, 02:43:28 PM
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There's nothing very specific in Ridley's ALIEN commentaries, he talks about the pilot - part of a military operation - being fused to the chair.


Deuterium
Mar 13, 2013, 05:44:05 PM
Reply #302 on: Mar 13, 2013, 05:44:05 PM
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Ridley Scott: "He was perceived, the giant was perceived as skeletal and erm, I kept staring at the skeleton which was kind of a wonderful drawing by H R Giger, and erm, then I thought, twenty, thirty, twenty, actually twenty six years on (1995?), I thought what if this is not a skeleton, but, because we only see it as a skeleton, because of our own, the way we see things in our own indoctrination, and er now I thought, what happens if its another form of protection or a suit? If its a suit then what's inside the suit" ( Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo's Film reviews, BBCRadio 5 live, 01 June 2012.

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Thanks for the feedback, OmegaZ.

Nevertheless, if I understand this correctly, this is a 2012 quote from Ridley Scott in which he recollects first thinking about the possibility that the Space Jockey = Suit, back in 1995.  Even if we take him at his word (and his memory as accurate), this was still 25+ years after ALIEN.

Here is my personal opinion as to how the Space Jockey concepts stack up:

BEST ===>  The Space Jockey is a totally alien organism, from a highly advanced space-faring civilization.  The Space Jockey's form is more or less as depicted in the original ALIEN, although it has become desiccated and mummifed due to exposure to the atmosphere of LV-426.  It is not a suit. It's physical form represents a surreal, biomechanical design...which may in fact have been "engineered" too perform a unique role in the alien civilization's society (e.g., bad-ass starship pilot).  This "Pilot" may live a sessile life, permanently integrated to it's console, to such a degree that it is a question if the Jockey is an extension of the Ship, or the Ship is an extension of the Jockey.
Lot's of cool possibilities, here.

GOOD (Acceptable) ==>  The Space Jockey may have been an external, exo-suit (although as mentioned in one of my prior posts, this is not consistent with what was displayed on film).  However, the important point, here, is that whatever is "inside" the suit, turns out to be just as alien and inscrutable.

BAD (Execrable) ==> The Space Jockey is just an external suit with a big blue Human inside.

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P.S. -- I would still be interested if someone were able to dig up an interview or quote from Ridley, prior to 2008/2009, in which he discusses the possibility that the Space Jockey was a suit.


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Gash
Mar 13, 2013, 05:49:29 PM
Reply #303 on: Mar 13, 2013, 05:49:29 PM
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Good job he isn't blue then.




Omegamorph
Mar 13, 2013, 06:39:47 PM
Reply #306 on: Mar 13, 2013, 06:39:47 PM
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I was in fact supporting your point Deuterium.

I myself had never heard the suit thing before 2009-2010 -- which would fit with the thirty years thing.


Deuterium
Mar 13, 2013, 07:00:18 PM
Reply #307 on: Mar 13, 2013, 07:00:18 PM
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I was in fact supporting your point Deuterium.

I myself had never heard the suit thing before 2009-2010 -- which would fit with the thirty years thing.

I know, OmegaZ. 

I was just trying to emphasize your findings...i.e., that the quote was from 2012, and that Ridley was recounting that he first thought about the "suit" concept in 1995.  IMHO, his "recollection", itself, may be dubious.

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Gash
Mar 13, 2013, 07:22:13 PM
Reply #308 on: Mar 13, 2013, 07:22:13 PM
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He certainly said it very publicly a couple of years before Prometheus came out. I doubt he gave it that much thought before he considered a prequel, unless whilst interviewed about ALIEN where he's talked about being amazed that none of the sequels addressed the question of 'who's the big guy in the chair'. My guess is that he always had vague ideas about the bomber pilot and when the prospect of a prequel became a reality those ideas became something more solid based on the practicalities of how you could tell his story.


Deuterium
Mar 13, 2013, 09:27:49 PM
Reply #309 on: Mar 13, 2013, 09:27:49 PM
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He certainly said it very publicly a couple of years before Prometheus came out. I doubt he gave it that much thought before he considered a prequel, unless whilst interviewed about ALIEN where he's talked about being amazed that none of the sequels addressed the question of 'who's the big guy in the chair'. My guess is that he always had vague ideas about the bomber pilot and when the prospect of a prequel became a reality those ideas became something more solid based on the practicalities of how you could tell his story.

Hi Gash,

I agree that your thoughts on this are, in fact, quite reasonable, and certainly possible.  It is just that I have yet to find a concrete example of Ridley being on-the-record with the "suit idea", prior to
the 2009-ish period...which puts this in the same time-frame of when Alien5/Prometheus was in the conception/pre-production phase.

I admittedly may be overly cynical, here, but I am sensing a direct correlation between the adoption of the "Von Daniken/ancient astronaut" angle, and what I have characterized as the "shoe-horning" of a glorified human into the Space Jockey suit.  In other words, it "conveniently" became a suit, in order to accomodate the script's revelation that the Space Jockeys/Engineers are in fact large, human beings.

Now, I certainly understand that many people have no problem with this particular issue, and I of course respect their views.  For me, however, this particular narrative decision was perhaps the single most aggregious mis-step for the film.

P.S. -- I like your hypothesis regarding Ridley perhaps thinking about and identifying the Space Jockey as some sort of interstellar "bomber pilot", and hence the chair/cockpit/suit metaphor.  If this was the case, I wish Ridley went with my "good" scenario (see earlier post), and at least kept the being inside the "suit" completely alien.  And of course, my three scenarios and rankings are just my humble opinion.

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Omegamorph
Mar 13, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
Reply #310 on: Mar 13, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
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For me, however, this particular narrative decision was perhaps the single most aggregious mis-step for the film.
I agree.
The Derelict scene was basically an enormous imagination trigger. It was intellectually and creatively stimulating, regardless of how much knowledge you had on the actual ideas and themes behind it.

With Prometheus, it all became devastatingly dull and uninteresting.

IMHO of course.


ChrisPachi
Mar 14, 2013, 09:40:50 AM
Reply #311 on: Mar 14, 2013, 09:40:50 AM
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I am sensing a direct correlation between the adoption of the "Von Daniken/ancient astronaut" angle, and what I have characterized as the "shoe-horning" of a glorified human into the Space Jockey suit.

Perhaps not a direct correlation, but an accumulative one. As Gash properly says, the suit idea might of taken form in his mind decades ago when thinking about the 'practicalities of how you could tell his story', and it was always an interesting idea with great possibilities IMO.

BUT, add in the original pitch from Spaihts about making the Jockey 'relatable' and it's all aboard the god-damned woohoo train.

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Highland
Mar 14, 2013, 01:43:30 PM
Reply #313 on: Mar 14, 2013, 01:43:30 PM
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I admittedly may be overly cynical, here, but I am sensing a direct correlation between the adoption of the "Von Daniken/ancient astronaut" angle, and what I have characterized as the "shoe-horning" of a glorified human into the Space Jockey suit.  In other words, it "conveniently" became a suit, in order to accomodate the script's revelation that the Space Jockeys/Engineers are in fact large, human beings.

Now, I certainly understand that many people have no problem with this particular issue, and I of course respect their views.  For me, however, this particular narrative decision was perhaps the single most aggregious mis-step for the film.


Not really. Tell me how you put the Space Jockey into the film in any other way without busting up the Alien Franchise?

It has to be either before Alien or after Resurrection. If it's after, that leaves a whole bunch of questions on why they were never found before. So you make it before, but you need the humans to find the base so how do you do that ?

You can see the thought process behind it all. It makes perfect sense.


Alien³
Mar 14, 2013, 01:51:09 PM
Reply #314 on: Mar 14, 2013, 01:51:09 PM
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I might be the only one who found the Engineers to be a scarier idea than what was previously thought. The idea that we might be alone in the universe with a species of creatures that want to kill us.

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