Quote from: St_Eddie on Feb 06, 2012, 08:06:57 AM
You're actually rooting on Prometheus being superior to Alien?! Yeah, good luck with that, you crazy diamond.
Of course no director is infallible but if I have faith in any single filmmaker to come up with a worthy Alien prequel; it's undoubtedly Ridley Scott, whether or not the plot involves a rape scene.
You're... Basically saying what I've
been saying.
QuoteTo be honest, I don't understand why you find the potential rape sequence to be so absurd. You're not imagining Holloway to be physically transformed into an actual Space Jockey are you?!
You're the one who raised the issue of mutation.
And the only theory which has been doing the rounds to do with that, is about the possibility of becoming partial or complete Space Jockeys.
QuoteMy plot theory was partially based upon the image of a man (possibly Holloway) sitting on a bed, next to a battered woman, looking ashamed of himself. The mutation I'm supposing is largely psychological at that point.
QuotePersonally I think that it's a pretty scary thought that a loved one's personality could be altered, resulting in them violently raping you and impregnating you with the seed of an alien lifeform. I can visualise that potential scene in my head and it's produces a very dark and unnerving image. Why you feel that this material would make for a comedic scene is completely beyond me. You must consider the rape scene in Deliverance and the maggot birth nightmare sequence in The Fly to be two of the most hilarious moments in the history of cinema!
Because it's a f**king Space Jockey.
The Space Jockey looked a bit disturbing in the first film, because it was a
strange and inhuman corpse. Something you wouldn't expect to see on Earth, which had clearly died in pain.
Having them walking about? That's relatively mundane. Having them
rape people? That's bordering on the ridiculous, not scary. Horror-wise, they're on the same level as the Newborn and I don't know
anyone who found it groping Call's injury or licking Ripley's face to be anything other than B-movie quality. That wouldn't have magically changed if Ridley Scott had been directing it, because the thing
looked ridiculous.
The creature we saw doing nothing but suggestively reaching its tail up between Lambert's legs?
That looked vicious, predatory and
horrific. An
dangerous abomination of nature.
It's like comparing a walrus and shark. They both eat fish and could both give you a really bad day if they each had a reason to be angry at you. But if you gave an expert director a camera and told him to make a horror film about both creatures, there is
no way the supposed horror flick about a killer walrus would in any way be scary. The shark? That's a
completely different story. It's
designed to be a killer. There are serious primal psychological facets at play in the concept of putting the view in the perspective of someone being chased by a shark.
Now, that doesn't mean every director will be
successful at conveying that, but it's obvious that a good one
could. There's next to zero chance, on the other hand, of even the best director in the world making a killer walrus seem like a genuine threat. You can have the most brilliant cinematography and music score in the world and it won't change that.
Imagine if '
Alien' or '
Predator' had been made with the original creature designs... You'd have the same actors, lighting, mood and music... Same camera angles. Same film. But if you think the creature would have been anywhere near as iconic, then with all due respect, you're kidding yourself.
And yes, that sort of thing is why giving birth to a giant maggot
can be portrayed effectively. That's why '
The Fly most certainly
was effective, even if one only counts the famous doughnut scene.
Having either a Space Jockey-like or normal-looking dude raping Noomi Rapace? Well, the act would be uncomfortable to watch, but it would be no different to just a mundane cop drama which happens to feature the same crime. It definitely won't be nearly as disturbing as what we saw (and, most importantly, didn't see and just heard) with Lambert.
None of which, of course, would be even the slightest issue if Ridley Scott, himself, hadn't been repeatedly quoted as saying he's going to be raising the bar and presenting us with something which will supposedly out-do the original's threat.
In fact, there's an easy way to test this theory.
Go and watch '
Splice'. Watch it all the way through to the end. Then go and watch '
Alien'. The former's notorious scene might well feel explicit, but it won't have the unsettling power of Lambert's death.
