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Author Topic: MPAA & "Hard R" Rating  (Read 11312 times)

Darkness
Mar 15, 2007, 04:32:58 AM
Reply #30 on: Mar 15, 2007, 04:32:58 AM
I am sure and I am right. It was all made up. A lot of movie websites reported it but it was fake. There's even a video interview with Paul Anderson on one movie site where he said it was never R Rated to begin with and no footage had been cut out.


topman
Mar 15, 2007, 07:32:32 AM
Reply #31 on: Mar 15, 2007, 07:32:32 AM
i hate the fact that people keep saying that AVP is a stand alone movie and i know Anderson said the same thing but how can it!!!. it uses the 2 monsters from the other movies and use the same mythology


topman
Mar 15, 2007, 07:35:51 AM
Reply #32 on: Mar 15, 2007, 07:35:51 AM
plus he ( Anderson ) tries to connect the movie to the Alien universe!! so he contradicts on what he says!!


RIJOENPIAL
Mar 15, 2007, 07:53:26 AM
Reply #33 on: Mar 15, 2007, 07:53:26 AM
what i mean by 'standalone movie' is this: a movie who may well use two or more characters from other movies but that does not affect directly the mythos or continuity NEGATIVELY...Paul's AVP does add to the mythos but does not affect it on a negative side...the only two aspects that could affect Alien continuity is the setting (earth, although the remote, CLASSIFIED setting safeguarded Alien continuity) and Charles Bishop Weyland, which actually developed and nourished Alien background... It did not affect Alien continuity the way AVP 2 will...now, we will have aliens on a populated area of the US, with lots of witnesses and Alien CORPSES for the future Weyland Yutani study to their contentment...So, i think Paul Anderson's AVP will not mak a dent to Alien mythos, AVP 2 certainly will...


RIJOENPIAL
Mar 15, 2007, 08:01:29 AM
Reply #34 on: Mar 15, 2007, 08:01:29 AM
Darkness,   let me understand your meaning: you truly believe that Paul Anderson would, under Fox's payroll, say in 2003 (under Fox's payroll) anything that could contradict Fox's directives,,,In 2004, AFTER AVP got out, AFTER PAul Anderson was no longer obliged to be Fox's spokesperson, he could say wht he really felt about Fox's decisions...so, sorry if i choose to disagree with you... Oh, and Paul's script proves you and him wrong, apparently..with all the deleted cscenes and the scenes that never made it to the final cut...


Darkness
Mar 15, 2007, 08:41:19 AM
Reply #35 on: Mar 15, 2007, 08:41:19 AM
You're just not understanding what people are saying and I'm not sure I understand what point it is you're trying to get across. Anderson has never spoken negatively about Fox or AvP. He thinks he did a great job with the film and has no problems with it.  Sure, but lots of scenes were scripted but probably never even filmed. Happens in every movie. Scenes are cut for pacing/budget reasons. But they weren't cut for the rating. That's what you're trying to get at, isn't it?  And yes, AvP did negatively affect both the Alien series and Predator series greatly when it came to continuity with the previous films but I'm not going to get into that here. Many of us have said the things numerous times before.


Danger Close
Mar 15, 2007, 09:47:29 AM
Reply #36 on: Mar 15, 2007, 09:47:29 AM
This topic has strayed a little off... the good news that if this rating system is used, and is profitable for FOX, we could see an AVP2 made without the limitation of NC-17. I don't feel that AVP2 would come close to an NC-17 rating... but it would be nice if the directors could be free to make a movie true to thier vision and not limited to a safe R. I think that all fans deserve a great film.


RIJOENPIAL
Mar 15, 2007, 10:32:50 PM
Reply #37 on: Mar 15, 2007, 10:32:50 PM
Believe what you want, Darkness... I am talking about facts here...and if you READ the final script, you would notice a lot of scenes that were there but never made it and some of them changed the feeling and pace of it... That is also fact...i knwo exactly what i am talking about...always did...always will... other fact remains that you will never know what were on those deleted scenes and why they were cut in the first place... But you believe what you want...Not my concern...  Also, AVP did not affect NEGATIVELY  the Alien continuity, and i said that, so stop putting words in my mouth, if you please... It never even remotely touched it...as fas as ALIEN - the movie is concerned, the general idea was that somehow Weyland-Yutani knew about the Xenos' existence, but didn't know where they were...so that give a little leeway as to where that info came from, which i gather, will be in AVP2 and never was in AVP (remember the CLASSIFIED destination of the Piper Maru?). So, IMHO, it didn't affect Alien continuity, it enriched it with Charles Weyland an the idea that the android was built to homage him... I just hope when AVP2 comes out and you realise how bad it is, you remember what you said here...  Having said that, i agree with Fawdrey...let's go back to topic, shall we? I apologise for my little straying...    ;D  


Xenomorphine
Mar 16, 2007, 12:12:17 AM
Reply #38 on: Mar 16, 2007, 12:12:17 AM
RIJ: The event known as the Roswell incident supposedly had dead extraterrestrials, a populated area and many witnesses, but whether or not you believe, disbelieve or are agnostic about it, it's not broadly accepted as ever having been proven. Who's to say that this story would not be relegated to the same level, by the time Ripley and others happen to be depicted as alive? It could be listed as just one more UFO event and only specialist researchers would bother to pay attention to any descriptions.  That's assuming a ship is even found by the general public. If not, then the only 'witnesses' would be those killed. The one who survive are only going to be able to report some maniac running around with blades and a gun, plus some monsters. If so, then there would be no reason for the general population to link them with extraterrestrials. Just an unexplained event. Who's to say how many wars could emerge in the meantime and wipe out any records to do with them?  And the first film was spoken of as intentionally canon, by those involved. There was a reference to it being a new franchise, but that's more of an economic term: 'Voyager' was its own franchise, but it also happened to be canon, in regards to being a part of the 'Star Trek' franchise, as a whole.  The interview, however, is regarded as fake by most. It never backed up its sources. The list of people allegedly attending the screening were never shown to have been anywhere near there.


RIJOENPIAL
Mar 16, 2007, 12:41:59 AM
Reply #39 on: Mar 16, 2007, 12:41:59 AM
Xeno, my two-cents actually were on the Weyland company finding the remains of Xenomorphs...the rest couls well be tight-lipped, desinformation, cloak and daggered stuff..i said that before..but the remains would enable Weyland to study them 150 years before the Nostromo's demise... You do understand my predicament here..?  About Paul's interview...Paul never negated having given that interview and your reasons for dismissing it are not enough to prove it did not happen for a fact... Just because many people say something doesn't man it's true...And i realise that your hatred for Paul could well  be amplifying your denial... I mean, if Paul had in mind an entirely different movie, then he would be oof the hook, wouldn't it? And then, you would have to blame the anonymous Fox suits, which would not give you that much thrills, now would it? Just a thought...      ;D     :)     ???     8)  


RIJOENPIAL
Mar 16, 2007, 01:37:20 AM
Reply #40 on: Mar 16, 2007, 01:37:20 AM
I don't mean to criticise anyone, just something i came to realise about myself while watching any movie...


RIJOENPIAL
Mar 16, 2007, 01:38:47 AM
Reply #41 on: Mar 16, 2007, 01:38:47 AM
...I started off by criticising negatively this movie when i first saw it on theatres, but after a while, I came to realise that this AVP movie, a crossover movie, is just intended to be pure fun...especially if it does not affect negatively what preceded it...


RIJOENPIAL
Mar 16, 2007, 01:40:05 AM
Reply #42 on: Mar 16, 2007, 01:40:05 AM
...the incubation period being accelerated, the design of the Predator spaceship, Lance Henricksen's character, the isolated locale, the confidential scientific trip, the destruction of the pyramid and the aliens with it, the Queen sinking, they do not affect continuity, and it clearly shows an effort to keep it a self-contained, isolated event that does not change nor affect Alien continuity...


RIJOENPIAL
Mar 16, 2007, 01:41:58 AM
Reply #43 on: Mar 16, 2007, 01:41:58 AM
...Paul Anderson did say that AVP was a sequel to Pred II and a prequel to Alien, but i think he was saying that in terms of time...there are no events alluding to events depicted in Pred II, nor does the events allude to anything that happens in Alien...We still don't know how Weyland-Yutani came to know about the Xenomorph's existence, nor do we know why they have become obsessed with it... AVP 2 is reportedly covering those grounds...which makes it a more interfering movie than AVP was, and a more dangerous movie because of just that...the acceleration of alien growth can have a million different reasons off-screen that can be filled by any fan's and spectator's imagination... The teaming up of the Predator and Lex..? Its in the comics... You just liked or disliked how it was put together, which is natural, however, your reasons for liking or disliking it can be and will always  be arguable... That's why we're all here...     ;)  


Darkness
Mar 16, 2007, 04:37:13 AM
Reply #44 on: Mar 16, 2007, 04:37:13 AM
I'm getting pretty tired of you now. You're clearly one of these AvP fanboys that only believes what you want to believe. It's pointless even talking to you.  I hate to say it but I know more about AvP than most people. I followed the film reporting news on it daily for an entire year. I even wrote this article just the other month detailing what deleted scenes there are:  http://www.avpgalaxy.net/avpmovie.php?section=avpdeleted2  I looked in the script. That article took me a long time to write and you have the cheek to tell me what I don't know what was deleted? You're on the right path to being banned if you carry on like this.


 

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