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Author Topic: Black Metal  (Read 9944 times)

Puks
May 13, 2010, 08:56:43 PM
Reply #30 on: May 13, 2010, 08:56:43 PM
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Funny fact: Black Metal is acutally one of the most popular genres of music around.

What a load of bullshit. It's one of the most unpopular and hated music worldwide.


Deathbearer
May 13, 2010, 09:06:09 PM
Reply #31 on: May 13, 2010, 09:06:09 PM
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Funny fact: Black Metal is acutally one of the most popular genres of music around.

What a load of bullshit. It's one of the most unpopular and hated music worldwide.

Yeah it really isn't very popular outside of a specific group of people.


The PredBen
May 13, 2010, 09:07:46 PM
Reply #32 on: May 13, 2010, 09:07:46 PM
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Everyone I know loves Death Metal and Black Metal.

Metal itself is at its most popular time ever. I see as many Metal fans as Rap fans where I live.



Puks
May 13, 2010, 09:21:43 PM
Reply #34 on: May 13, 2010, 09:21:43 PM
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Metal itself is at its most popular time ever.

No sir, the 80's are long gone.

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Everyone I know loves Death Metal and Black Metal.

Okay, I imagine death metal is popular in the US, but black metal? It's much more common in Europe and even here it's almost completely underground.

I think you are confusing BM with genres like deathcore, metalcore and death metal itself. That shit is fairly popular, black metal ain't.


The PredBen
May 13, 2010, 09:44:50 PM
Reply #35 on: May 13, 2010, 09:44:50 PM
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Yeah I did lump Deathcore , Death Metal and Black Metal together.

Simply because many who like one genre like the other ( that I know ) I didn't mean to be offensive.



The PredBen
May 13, 2010, 09:54:14 PM
Reply #37 on: May 13, 2010, 09:54:14 PM
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They all seem to stem from the same " counter culture ". I apologize for my ignorance on the subject.


Puks
May 13, 2010, 09:58:40 PM
Reply #38 on: May 13, 2010, 09:58:40 PM
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Yeah I did lump Deathcore , Death Metal and Black Metal together.

I can understand that, especially if you're uninterested and/or unfamiliar with the genres.

Rest assured, you're friends do not listen to BM. The occasional Dimmu Borgir or Cradle of Filth in their playlists still don't mean their black metal fans, those two bands - while having black metal roots - chose to widen their fanbases and are enjoyed by many young metalheads and goth kids alike.

Here's a comparison between three typical black metal, death metal and deathcore songs, maybe it'll help:
DM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naMy3g1ccZA
BM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJnKawXpM6A
DC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyOSx62c2Ic

« Last Edit: May 13, 2010, 10:14:49 PM by Puks »

Tangakkai
May 13, 2010, 10:55:48 PM
Reply #39 on: May 13, 2010, 10:55:48 PM
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Everyone I know loves Death Metal and Black Metal.

Metal itself is at its most popular time ever. I see as many Metal fans as Rap fans where I live.

True! I live in europe and the scene here is wild and bigger than ever, Deathmetal, Blackmetal, Hardcore, Metalcore, Symphonic Metal, Power Metal... this stuff is booming over here (always speaking in relative terms)

unknown Bands like Eluveitie have entered the charts in my country at #4 and even in the states they entered the charts.

As for BM: If you look at it as a form of art, it is not bad. But all the good bands that have played Black Metal in the past have now changed their sound to something better:

Behemoth (you surely know them) are now Death Metal and sound way better than during their BM - days

Cradle of Filth were so blasé during their BM - times and at least stand out of the mass now with their comercialised Gothic Metal.

Dimmu have changed from BM to somekind of Symphonic Death with Black Metal elements (In Sorte Diaboli is the biggest proof of that and also their best album)

Keep Of Kalessin used to be Black Metal and never had a big Audience. Then Kolossus stepped away from the Black Metal clichés and BAM: You have a successful band!

The only reason why Gaygoroth could stay true to their BM roots and have somekind of success was because of their controversy, but not because of their music...

So you see, the good BM Bands have realised that this music is stagnation and full of limitation, which literaly means no growth. So quite rightely they have changed to a better form of music.

I personally prefer Melodic Death Metal and even Metalcore. Simply better melodies and hooklines with much much much greater Guitarworks... and I LOVE Guitar Harmonies the oldschool way like Iron Maiden did it and modern Bands in Metalcore and Melodeath are reviving that kind of Guitar Harmonies!


The PredBen
May 13, 2010, 11:05:37 PM
Reply #40 on: May 13, 2010, 11:05:37 PM
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I see know.

I appreciate those songs they sounded good - although different - as you said. But on the subject of Metal's popularity as  music my friend is a Beatles fan and almsot noone likes the Beatles and always tries to get him to listen to Metal.


Puks
May 13, 2010, 11:10:48 PM
Reply #41 on: May 13, 2010, 11:10:48 PM
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Are you from Switzerland, Tangakkai?

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Gaygoroth

Gorgoroth is seriously overrated, but you can't call them Gaygoroth anymore, Gaahl left the band you know.  :D

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Cradle of Filth were so blasé during their BM - times and at least stand out of the mass now with their comercialised Gothic Metal.

They were super awesome back in the 90's, I do however consider their new stuff utter crap. Dani's voice sucks big time now and the commercialization didn't raise the quality either. Lowered it, in fact.

But I have to admit - when it comes to great gothic/black atmosphere and insanely intense extreme vocal work, this one song is the true masterpiece and my personal favorite. There's even a fake female orgasm in this song and it actually fits (starts at 8:24). Ah, the good old times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO54gMj4g4M


 


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Tangakkai
May 13, 2010, 11:20:19 PM
Reply #42 on: May 13, 2010, 11:20:19 PM
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Are you from Switzerland, Tangakkai?

Yeah, I guess the thing about Eluveitie and "my country" gave it away right?  ;)

You know them?!

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Gorgoroth is seriously overrated, but you can't call them Gaygoroth anymore, Gaahl left the band you know.

Haha, ok sorry! My Bad  ;)!

Gaa(y)hl has got a new Band though: Waldruna... prefer him in that one... not metal... but Norwegian Folk/ Pagan.

I'm not saying that Cradle are musically better now, I'm simply saying that there's more diversity in their music now and they don't have to obey the strict and sensless rules of "Black-Metal - Trueness" anymore.

That is actually a good song, never heard that one before :) I'll have to go through some of my older collections... I stopped listening to Cradle a long while ago.


« Last Edit: May 13, 2010, 11:25:33 PM by Tangakkai »

Puks
May 13, 2010, 11:39:21 PM
Reply #43 on: May 13, 2010, 11:39:21 PM
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they don't have to obey the strict and sensless rules of "Black-Metal - Trueness" anymore.

They never did. And that's the thing - they were already progressive and different than other BM bands right from the start, playing an interesting blend of black, gothic and symphonic metal, even introduced female vocals which no other BM band did at the time.
Their image was also different - focusing on dark, gothic, yet romantic atmosphere with lyrics inspired by world literature, poetry, mythology and horror movies. Lovecraft was among the most notable influences.
Again, at that time, most BM bands were still hailing Satan and burning churches in their lyrics.

The focus on gothic romance and classic tales stayed, but unfortunately, as the band gained popularity, it's sound deteriorated into a teen-oriented gothic metal parody, now just a remnant of CoF's former genius.

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Eluveitie: You know them?!

I know a lot of metal bands.  8)



 

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