From the looks of the track names on the OST, I have a hunch that they kept the AICN ending in tact. I think that Chet may die first, but almost fatally injure Wolf. He will be finished off by drone aliens. This has the potential to be either a badass scene, an epic scene, or a disgusting A:R type scene (akin to when the aliens slaughtered one of their own)
What do you guys think. Wolf is going to be overrun in some way and the aliens will need to be stopped by the humans.
Quote from: neoryu33 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:04:12 AM
or a disgusting A:R type scene (akin to when the aliens slaughtered one of their own)
I really like that scene. It makes sense that Aliens would think with a 'What's best for the hive' attitude. I always thought the one who died must have been the weakest of the lot of them.
Plus it shows problem-solving, and they are not really 100% Xenomorph so anything goes.
Yeah, it seemed like they were eliminating the weakest link. Shows their intelligence in my opinion.
But anyway I think Wolf is the lesser of two evils, therefore Chet will die first.
Or, to stop Alien/Predator fans bitching, a stalemate... Pretty much what we see in the trailer, A blow from the tail to Wolf, Blades through the head for Chet.
I hope its not another freddy vs Jason... Nobody won at the end... so what was the point?
I'm okay with the A:R style massacre, or something like what happened to the ancient Predators in Alien Vs. Predator. Some good music behind it accompanied by the self-destruct device would be a good climax, if nothing else.
With those ancient Predators in AvP you see one get stabed in the back dragged down and get set upon by loads of aliens. Didn't see much once they were swamped but you did see green blood getting sprayed everywhere. Something like that would be fine with me.
Quote from: Fiorina 161 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:07:48 AM
Quote from: neoryu33 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:04:12 AM
or a disgusting A:R type scene (akin to when the aliens slaughtered one of their own)
I really like that scene. It makes sense that Aliens would think with a 'What's best for the hive' attitude. I always thought the one who died must have been the weakest of the lot of them.
It was obvious the poor fellow was the weakest Alien-clone...
...His balls hadn't dropped yet.
The alien that got sacrificed i dont think he wanted to die but as someone said before he had to for the better of the hive, kinda like how bees sting off wasps for the hive to survive.
Quote from: Fiorina 161 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:21:54 AM
I hope its not another freddy vs Jason... Nobody won at the end... so what was the point?
To make idiots like ourselves spend money to see it. :)
well freddy and jason are unkillible so it makes sense for them both not to die.....but with alien and predator it wouldnt make sense for the not to die.
Quote from: neoryu33 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:04:12 AM
From the looks of the track names on the OST, I have a hunch that they kept the AICN ending in tact. I think that Chet may die first, but almost fatally injure Wolf. He will be finished off by drone aliens. This has the potential to be either a badass scene, an epic scene, or a disgusting A:R type scene (akin to when the aliens slaughtered one of their own)
What do you guys think. Wolf is going to be overrun in some way and the aliens will need to be stopped by the humans.
I'm thinking the same thing, you're right, but I think they might have modified the AICN ending at least a tiny bit. And I think Chet may die first, but almost fatally injure Wolf. Then he'll probably be finished off by drone aliens. And I think this has the potential of being both a badass scene and an epic scene and a scene we'll never forget and I can't wait to see it. 8)
I believe Wolf will get the job done.
Quote from: neoryu33 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:04:12 AM
From the looks of the track names on the OST, I have a hunch that they kept the AICN ending in tact.
Just curious - which track names gave you this hunch?
Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 18, 2007, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: neoryu33 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:04:12 AM
From the looks of the track names on the OST, I have a hunch that they kept the AICN ending in tact.
Just curious - which track names gave you this hunch?
21. Outnumbered (4:38) i think he is referring to that one
Quote from: karhan on Nov 18, 2007, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 18, 2007, 04:20:56 PM
Quote from: neoryu33 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:04:12 AM
From the looks of the track names on the OST, I have a hunch that they kept the AICN ending in tact.
Just curious - which track names gave you this hunch?
21. Outnumbered (4:38) i think he is referring to that one
EVen if he survives, he was still outnumbered.
I never liked the scene. I like to think that 'pure' Aliens would take the more logical choice of superficially injuring themselves (like Ripley 8 did) and pooling the fluid together. What they did eliminated a perfectly functional member of the nest.
Chet should kill Wolf.
Chet is not only a Predalien, she's a Queen. She should be able to mow down Predators left and right.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 18, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
Chet should kill Wolf.
Chet is not only a Predalien, she's a Queen. She should be able to mow down Predators left and right.
The Queen had a hard enough time against a teenage Predator and a Woman...
I don't think it being a Queen makes it any better.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 18, 2007, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 18, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
Chet should kill Wolf.
Chet is not only a Predalien, she's a Queen. She should be able to mow down Predators left and right.
The Queen had a hard enough time against a teenage Predator and a Woman...
I don't think it being a Queen makes it any better.
The Queen killed Scar fairly easily, one tail strike and he was basically dead.
Lex saved Scar's life twice. He was just lucky.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 18, 2007, 08:38:25 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 18, 2007, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 18, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
Chet should kill Wolf.
Chet is not only a Predalien, she's a Queen. She should be able to mow down Predators left and right.
The Queen had a hard enough time against a teenage Predator and a Woman...
I don't think it being a Queen makes it any better.
The Queen killed Scar fairly easily, one tail strike and he was basically dead.
Lex saved Scar's life twice. He was just lucky.
As did Scar save Lex's life.
My point being that if those two could kill a Queen, then two or more Predators shouldn't have much problem. Being a Queen makes no differece to the Predalien, it is a Predator killer fullstop, and probably far more deadly than the Queen. Porbably on par with the Newborn.
Nobody killed the Queen. Probably still expressing her general annoyance all underwater.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 18, 2007, 09:12:27 PM
Nobody killed the Queen. Probably still expressing her general annoyance all underwater.
Doubtfull she is still alive. But the point still stands that they defeated her.
Im sure the Queen is alive... she can withstand frozen temperatures and waas still thrashing about in space when Ripley ejected her.
Not dead, dormant.
Quote from: Fiorina 161 on Nov 18, 2007, 09:21:05 PM
Im sure the Queen is alive... she can withstand frozen temperatures and waas still thrashing about in space when Ripley ejected her.
Not dead, dormant.
I dunno how that'd work into the canon though.
And maybe PAul Anderson can direct AVP3 in the future where fishermen catch the queen when they go fishin in Antartica ::)
Im not saying either Queen should come back, I'm just saying that a Queen is damn hard to kill.
Unless its the Queen in A:R. One swipe from a newborn baby and her face comes clean off.
It had something to do with the human DNA mix maybe?
Quote from: Fiorina 161 on Nov 18, 2007, 09:35:21 PM
Im not saying either Queen should come back, I'm just saying that a Queen is damn hard to kill.
Unless its the Queen in A:R. One swipe from a newborn baby and her face comes clean off.
Aliens in general are extremely resistant to adverse envronmental conditions, but that being said, the Aliens in Alien Ressurection did show some pain or discomfort when it came to the cold blasts of air being shot at them, so it's not a long shot to think the Queen died after a while in the freezing water.
That wasn't cold blasts of air, that was liquid nitrogen.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2007, 09:41:13 PM
That wasn't cold blasts of air, that was liquid nitrogen.
Oh fair. Wouldn't that still mean it'd freeze to death in the water? I'm not to knowlegable when it comes to liquid nitrogen but the Predator reacted the same way when he was sprayed with the stuff and I sure as hell could see him freezing to death in those waters, even with his tech.
Well, going by the weather conditions on LV 426, their co-dependant life cycle, and the Queen 'frozen' in AVP, that ALiens would hiberante in colder conditions until a potential host comes along... Hadn't the Queen been frozen for around 1000 years in AVP... The only thing I would think that would kill the Queen in AVP would be the weight of the water crushing her as the Queen sank to the depths...
Considering how long it had literally been repeatedly frozen for, the water isn't going to do a thing in terms of killing. :)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 18, 2007, 10:03:07 PM
Considering how long it had literally been repeatedly frozen for, the water isn't going to do a thing in terms of killing. :)
Yeah, forgot about that. It'd probably get crushed by the pressure though.
The water around the island isn't anywhere near deep enough to reach the required pressure to crush an alien queen.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 18, 2007, 10:15:20 PM
The water around the island isn't even deep enough to crush a human, let alone an alien queen.
It looked fairly deep to me.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 18, 2007, 10:03:07 PM
Considering how long it had literally been repeatedly frozen for, the water isn't going to do a thing in terms of killing. :)
There's always the possibility she wasn't just dunked into some really cold liquid and left to freeze. That would seem kind'a stupid.
^ Yeah I realised that might have been a bit far. Most likely deep enough to be fatal for a human but the queen has been shown to be able to withstand the claws of the power loader, which I'd assume could exert several tons of pressure.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 18, 2007, 10:20:42 PM
^ Yeah I realised that might have been a bit far. Most likely deep enough to be fatal for a human but the queen has been shown to be able to withstand the claws of the power loader, which I'd assume could exert several tons of pressure.
Yeah. It did resist that pretty well, but I'm sure that water would go deep enough to crush it, similar to depths acheived in the Abyss.
But then again it could have:
A) Drowned.
B) Frozen to death.
Drowning seems the most likely.
It all rests on whether you believe the Predators were literally forced to keeping her on life support or simply froze her and, considering the place only powered up every hundred years or so, I go for the latter. :)
Which would mean they don't need to breathe, although it would be open to interpretation whether that would force them to go into hibernation.
As for the water depth, SM keeps bringing up the known facts of that island's surrounding water depth and it's only a few hundred feet.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 18, 2007, 10:29:58 PM
It all rests on whether you believe the Predators were literally forced to keeping her on life support or simply froze her and, considering the place only powered up every hundred years or so, I go for the latter. :)
Which would mean they don't need to breathe, although it would be open to interpretation whether that would force them to go into hibernation.
As for the water depth, SM keeps bringing up the known facts of that island's surrounding water depth and it's only a few hundred feet.
I'd imagine they use the same thing to keep the Queen in stasis as they do thier Cryotubes. Given that they breathe in Ressurection I think she'd have to take a breath after a while.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 18, 2007, 10:29:58 PM
As for the water depth, SM keeps bringing up the known facts of that island's surrounding water depth and it's only a few hundred feet.
It's also a known fact Antarctica was only habitable 100 or so million years ago, that going through the Ross Ice Shelf to get to Bouvet island would take you over the Antarctic continent, and that the kind'a penguin seen in the whaling station lives in warmer climates.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2007, 10:36:44 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 18, 2007, 10:29:58 PM
As for the water depth, SM keeps bringing up the known facts of that island's surrounding water depth and it's only a few hundred feet.
It's also a known fact Antarctica was only habitable 100 or so million years ago, that going through the Ross Ice Shelf to get to Bouvet island would take you over the Antarctic continent, and that the kind'a penguin seen in the whaling station lives in warmer climates.
Anderson...
Does he get anything right?
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 18, 2007, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 18, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
Chet should kill Wolf.
Chet is not only a Predalien, she's a Queen. She should be able to mow down Predators left and right.
The Queen had a hard enough time against a teenage Predator and a Woman...
I don't think it being a Queen makes it any better.
A Predator doesn't stand a chance agiants an Alien Queen. An Alien Queen is like 10 times bigger.
Quote from: Knuckles on Nov 18, 2007, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 18, 2007, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 18, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
Chet should kill Wolf.
Chet is not only a Predalien, she's a Queen. She should be able to mow down Predators left and right.
The Queen had a hard enough time against a teenage Predator and a Woman...
I don't think it being a Queen makes it any better.
A Predator doesn't stand a chance agiants an Alien Queen. An Alien Queen is like 10 times bigger.
A lone Predator with no Canon? Probably not.
Two Predators? Yeah. If a Teenager and a Woman can do it, they certainly can.
i wanna see like 5 elders clean out a nest. Like a short movie that would own! (someone direct me to a comic?)
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 18, 2007, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 18, 2007, 10:15:20 PM
The water around the island isn't even deep enough to crush a human, let alone an alien queen.
It looked fairly deep to me.
Bouvet Island is a REAL island, and its deepst shoreline depth is only 200ft.
Humans have survived un-aided without pressure equipment at that depth.
An Alien Queen would hardly notice it.
2. The ice cold water would not kill her, as she has been completely frozen before.
3. We have no evidence that the Alien can drown at tall. They may be able to take in oxygen from water too, or even not have to breath at all. Bottam line, we have never seen one drown, or choke, or suffocate.
Likely that Queen is alive, albiet in a hibernative state.
You can't apply real-world facts to the island. Anderson's intention was that she would sink and sink and sink and then be a dead bitch, and despite whatever real evidence there may be against that, in-movie evidence says she deeeead.
Could that be how Dallas get's ahold of the pred-gun? But yes, your version of what happens sounds like a good way to balance things out.
Quote from: Meathead320 on Nov 19, 2007, 03:46:44 AM
We have no evidence that the Alien can drown at tall. They may be able to take in oxygen from water too, or even not have to breath at all. Bottam line, we have never seen one drown, or choke, or suffocate.
If we go by '
Alien Resurrection', if they even do need oxygen, that would almost certainly seem to be the case. :)
Frogs breathe through their skin, when beneath water, from what I remember.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 19, 2007, 05:50:23 AM
You can't apply real-world facts to the island. Anderson's intention was that she would sink and sink and sink and then be a dead bitch, and despite whatever real evidence there may be against that, in-movie evidence says she deeeead.
It was such a ambiguous fate that, considering Anderson also wrote in the script, "To be continued in '
Alien Versus Predator: Annihilation'", the opposite might have just as likely been the intent. :)
It's even more interesting when we take into the account that the Predalien chestburster was definitely
not intended as a plot device to springboard a sequel off of, regardless of how it appeared to us, as the audience.
In any case, Cameron never intended for the Queen to have laid on egg on the Sulaco, nor did Scott envisage a Queen. Director intentions (alleged or stated) don't necessarily mean anything for future stories.
Heck, the original '
Terminator' film portrayed the machines as having such a mechanised look that Cameron might never have intended for there to be 'liquid metal' Terminators, either, until later coming up with the concept and throwing it in there.
ummm wolf getting owned? ::) wolf OWNS virtually every single alien (except few from humans) and the predalien and than he still manages to survive yet he still kills a few before he dies (although this is just assumption) is not what i call getting owned. this is more like math problems, 1+1=2 . unless wolf is god or superman he cannot kill all those aliens and humans by himself. i swear if chet dies by wolf i'm going to hate the brothers even MORE than PWSA.
at least paul wasnt ignorant.
start crying. We see chet with some nice wrist blades through her head. Enjoy...
Quote from: gases on Nov 19, 2007, 02:35:41 PM
start crying. We see chet with some nice wrist blades through her head. Enjoy...
ya actually you are right i
WILL cry. not because of the ridiculously looking (not to mention cheesy) monster so called chet but because i feel so pityful to those two fanboy directors because they will get so much shit after they release the film both fans and critics. :P
oh and just for you :'( ;)
Quote from: gases on Nov 19, 2007, 03:13:06 AM
i wanna see like 5 elders clean out a nest. Like a short movie that would own! (someone direct me to a comic?)
The closest thing to that is the AVP: War comic, issue 0 out of 4. It's the only one I have, but it's sweet, a large clan of Preds and that lady with the Preds, Machiko something, go into a hive, blow the shit out of the Aliens, take the queen and bring her onto the ship, only complaint is very few of the Preds die as opposed to the Aliens, who dozens and dozens get blown away, but the thing I really didn't like was that all the Preds wore different body armors that were different colors so they looked like a bunch of damn power rangers going in there. The Alien artwork was the best i've seen though.
I never understood in Resurrection why they needed to kill off one of their own to escape the cell if they could spray acid out of their mouths...
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 18, 2007, 11:02:06 PM
Quote from: Knuckles on Nov 18, 2007, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 18, 2007, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 18, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
Chet should kill Wolf.
Chet is not only a Predalien, she's a Queen. She should be able to mow down Predators left and right.
The Queen had a hard enough time against a teenage Predator and a Woman...
I don't think it being a Queen makes it any better.
A Predator doesn't stand a chance agiants an Alien Queen. An Alien Queen is like 10 times bigger.
A lone Predator with no Canon? Probably not.
Two Predators? Yeah. If a Teenager and a Woman can do it, they certainly can.
A lone Predator with no Canon, probably not?! That's for sure, not "probably".
If even against a normal Alien a Predator doesn't stand a chance without weapons then with a Queen... oh dear...
It might not be Wolf, but the humans that are 'overrun'.
If even against a normal Alien a Predator doesn't stand a chance without weapons then with a Queen... oh dear...
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Yeah it could probably hold it off by wrestling with it (by that I mean grabbing its face and holding it back) But I think the Alien would eventually win if the Pred had no weapons. Then again, Wolf did catch the Predalien's second mouth with his hand in the trailer...hope they keep that in the final movie, that was kick-ass 8)
I speculated that it would be really cool if he ripped it out with his hands.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 19, 2007, 06:22:59 PM
It might not be Wolf, but the humans that are 'overrun'.
My thoughts too, except Wolf is included with the humans since the Aliens will be after both....
But he's a seperate entity. It's not like he's going to be with them the entire time. I remember hearing something about the first Predator vs Alien battle is not anywhere near humans.
Quote from: Fiorina 161 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:21:54 AM
But anyway I think Wolf is the lesser of two evils, therefore Chet will die first.
Or, to stop Alien/Predator fans bitching, a stalemate... Pretty much what we see in the trailer, A blow from the tail to Wolf, Blades through the head for Chet.
I hope its not another freddy vs Jason... Nobody won at the end... so what was the point?
Sir, i ask you: Who was carrying whose head at the end? Case closed.
Quote from: automirage04 on Nov 20, 2007, 11:35:56 PM
Quote from: Fiorina 161 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:21:54 AM
But anyway I think Wolf is the lesser of two evils, therefore Chet will die first.
Or, to stop Alien/Predator fans bitching, a stalemate... Pretty much what we see in the trailer, A blow from the tail to Wolf, Blades through the head for Chet.
I hope its not another freddy vs Jason... Nobody won at the end... so what was the point?
Sir, i ask you: Who was carrying whose head at the end? Case closed.
and who was it,that had the last laugh?
Quote from: genocyber on Nov 20, 2007, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: automirage04 on Nov 20, 2007, 11:35:56 PM
Quote from: Fiorina 161 on Nov 18, 2007, 08:21:54 AM
But anyway I think Wolf is the lesser of two evils, therefore Chet will die first.
Or, to stop Alien/Predator fans bitching, a stalemate... Pretty much what we see in the trailer, A blow from the tail to Wolf, Blades through the head for Chet.
I hope its not another freddy vs Jason... Nobody won at the end... so what was the point?
Sir, i ask you: Who was carrying whose head at the end? Case closed.
and who was it,that had the last laugh?
Heck i dont no why he would be laughin, he's dismembered from his body....more like jasons got the last laugh.
Freddy winked. He was, ultimately, fine. Might even have planned it that way, for reasons not known to us. :)
Nobody can really say what the state of play was, since that character doesn't usually live in the physical realm, so to speak.
For all we know, Jason was dreaming.
Yeah jason won the fight but freddy's not dead yet, so in a way its even.