In the movies, Ripley refers to the Aliens as Xenomorphs, that's nothing new.
But what exactly would a Predator call them? In terms of a scientific name.
The Predators aren't very scientific. The "yuatja" apparently have referred to the Alien as "The Black Death" and "Hard Flesh."
Quote from: Accaris on Nov 07, 2007, 04:40:50 AM
The Predators aren't very scientific. The "yuatja" apparently have referred to the Alien as "The Black Death" and "Hard Flesh."
Thanks for the info. ;D
IMHO, Predators name them as "Acid Meat". ???
uhh how about xenomorph :D
Quote from: Tarog on Nov 07, 2007, 08:30:17 AM
uhh how about xenomorph :D
Xenomorph? *Predator tries to say this word of Greek origin:
Zenamurrh, Hshinamuff, Zinamuhr, Kzhinamorr...
What is such people have thought up??? Same simply "Acid Meat"!!!
Quote from: Ultrapredator on Nov 07, 2007, 04:39:20 AM
In the movies, Ripley refers to the Aliens as Xenomorphs, that's nothing new. But what exactly would a Predator call them? In terms of a scientific name.
"Xenomorph" isn't a scientific name, either.
My nonsense isn't canon. I try to represent their language. :P
Serpentines or something...
Well, Alien is "Acidic Dragon". ;D
Maybe they called them "Internecivus raptus". In the Alien Quadrilogy DVD identifies the scientific name of the Xenomorph race.
Maybe the "Serpents"?
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Nov 07, 2007, 04:48:00 PM
Maybe they called them "Internecivus raptus". In the Alien Quadrilogy DVD identifies the scientific name of the Xenomorph race.
Any remember the comic book term for them?
Kiande Amedha - hard meat
I remember the term Black Warrior referred to their metaphor for death
How much the phonetics of Predators differs from phonetics of human languages?
Whether they use sounds for dialogue in the language?
Whether can be dreadlocks electromagnetic body of dialogue and perception?
Language Yautja is doubtful and heretical idea for me. )))
How about Parasite Storm?
One could be, "Hunters Prey"... :-\
who cares? :-\
anyway personally id go with hard meat
maybe black meat(but preds don't want to have burnt meat)
or maybe they have a specific name for them
Egg
-PuuD
Facehugger
-Leaptus tentaclas
Chestburster
-Serpent
Drone
-Black dagger,black meat again, smooth headed freak
Warrior
-Everything(cept smooth headed freak),ridge headed freak
Predalien
-Lookalike Meat
Runner
-Ferrari Meat
Queen
-Giant black meat
Quote from: The Facehugger's facehugger on Nov 10, 2007, 10:04:59 PM
maybe black meat(but preds don't want to have burnt meat)
or maybe they have a specific name for them
Egg
-PuuD
Facehugger
-Leaptus tentaclas
Chestburster
-Serpent
Drone
-Black dagger,black meat again, smooth headed freak
Warrior
-Everything(cept smooth headed freak),ridge headed freak
Predalien
-Lookalike Meat
Runner
-Ferrari Meat
Queen
-Giant black meat
I have a Queen.
im going to go with...dead ;D
Quote from: §niperhawk on Nov 11, 2007, 05:17:56 PM
im going to go with...dead ;D
Yeah, nothing but skulless corpses. :)
BS Name #1
Kainde Amedha: Hard Meat
BS Name #2
Linguafoeda Acheronsis: Strange Foreboding tongue of Acheron
Actual Name:
Internacivus Raptus: Murderous (Fratricide) life thief from within.
"BS Name #1
Kainde Amedha: Hard Meat
BS Name #2
Linguafoeda Acheronsis: Strnage Forebodign tongue of Acheron
Actual Name:
Internacivus Raptus: Murderous (Fratricide) life thief from within."
:-\
....ok.
i'm gonna pretend you didn't post this.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 19, 2007, 07:16:06 AM
Internacivus Raptus: Murderous (Fratricide) life thief from within.
Can be considered "BS Name #3". It was created by either the marketing department or the art department of Fox. Since there were no scientists who had studied the aliens and lived. Thus, very little (if any) information would make it back to the scientific community for peer review (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review). If any scientist or scientists call the alien
internecivus raptus, it would still be an unofficial label at best.
If anything,
linguafoeda acheronsis would be a more specific description of the aliens, as
internecivus raptus could apply to any creature.
If they do it in movie, unless there's an intervening factor it's the name used. Their OFFICIAL name is Alien obviously.
Name derived for absolute canon > magical made up name for EU. It doesn't have to subject to peer review, as there are names now for custom biological agents and theoretical biological components which for commercial or military apllications won't be getting any kind review any time in the near future, but still retain a linnaen style nomenclature for purposes of indentification.
I don't see you calling them Star Beasts even though that's technically the originating name.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 19, 2007, 05:43:01 PM
Their OFFICIAL name is Alien obviously.
They have
no official name.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 19, 2007, 05:43:01 PM
Name derived for absolute canon > magical made up name for EU. It doesn't have to subject to peer review, as there are names now for custom biological agents and theoretical biological components which for commercial or military apllications won't be getting any kind review any time in the near future, but still retain a linnaen style nomenclature for purposes of indentification.
They're all patent names and not things we'd see as taxonomical labels.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 19, 2007, 05:43:01 PM
I don't see you calling them Star Beasts even though that's technically the originating name.
I don't see the crew of the
Snark calling them that, either.
QuoteThey have no official name.
I'm talking OoU.
Quotepatent names
And? If the Alien universe takes place in line with ours linnaen nomenclature won't even be relevant.
The mini-documentation presented in the Menus proves otherwise.
Quotetaxonomical labels
Really? Which movie was that in? The one with the guys form
Twurp's Peerage having a rousing talk about naming the wee beasties?
Internacivus Raptus describes the crowning achievment that made audiences fully understand this movie was going to be a bit different.
Linguafoeda Acheronsis literally means strangely bewildering obscene language from the River of Woeful existance in Epirus.
Nope.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 20, 2007, 03:18:34 AM
I'm talking OoU.
I know.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 20, 2007, 03:18:34 AM
And? If the Alien universe takes place in line with ours linnaen nomenclature won't even be relevant.
Of course it would.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 20, 2007, 03:18:34 AM
The mini-documentation presented in the Menus proves otherwise.
You seem to have confused the silly whims of the art department with someone who had a hand on the making of the films.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 20, 2007, 03:18:34 AM
Quotetaxonomical labels
Really? Which movie was that in? The one with the guys form Twurp's Peerage having a rousing talk about naming the wee beasties?
Where did I say that it was part of a movie?
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 20, 2007, 03:18:34 AM
Internacivus Raptus describes the crowning achievment that made audiences fully understand this movie was going to be a bit different.
It also describes any animal that steals and destroys; like the kitty cats in your sig banner.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 20, 2007, 03:18:34 AM
Linguafoeda Acheronsis literally means strangely bewildering obscene language from the River of Woeful existance in Epirus.
That is if you only take a
figurative translation of the word "
linguafoeda" instead of the
literal meaning, and if you are under the deluded impression that LV-426 is located in Greece.
Quotesilly whims
hahaha... you obviously don't have a clue how much money and manpower was leveraged. This is Fox. Everything given to AQ and NOT given to AvPR is deliberate, as with the inclusion of the Nostromo files in legacy.
QuoteOf course it would.
Must have missed the last couple of years then, as LN is on its way out the door, and held onto mostly by old school biologists and archaeologists.
Quotemovie
Which is why it's your opinion at best.
It describes a FRATRICIDAL thief who steals life FROM WITHIN. Rather apt considering GR and LC.
on the otherhand DH's now as of John Shirley and the Reboot defunct Mangulation of latin doesn't even track because the wrong forms are used, A nor is it even spelled correctly, B and completely lacks context, C.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 20, 2007, 12:13:01 PM
hahaha... you obviously don't have a clue how much money and manpower was leveraged. This is Fox. Everything given to AQ and NOT given to AvPR is deliberate, as with the inclusion of the Nostromo files in legacy.
I am aware of the money and manpower involved. What you don't realize is how gullible you are. If the art department decided to call the aliens "Fuzzy Wuzzy Kitty Cats" would you blindly accept it?
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 20, 2007, 12:13:01 PM
Must have missed the last couple of years then, as LN is on its way out the door, and held onto mostly by old school biologists and archaeologists.
It hasn't been rejected by anyone but those who are willing to try to win an argument.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 20, 2007, 12:13:01 PM
It describes a FRATRICIDAL thief who steals life FROM WITHIN. Rather apt considering GR and LC.
internecine from L.
internecinus "very deadly, murderous, destructive," from
internecare "kill or destroy," from
inter- (q.v.) +
necare "kill." Considered in the OED as misinterpreted in Johnson's Dictionary [1755], which defined it as "endeavouring mutual destruction," on association of
inter- with "mutual" when the prefix supposedly is used in this case as an intensive.
raptus, pp. of
rapere "seize, carry off" (see
rapid).
Compare to:
lingua [L] "tongue," also "speech, language"
foedus, foeda, foedum: "ugly, foul, loathsome"
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 20, 2007, 12:13:01 PM
on the otherhand DH's now as of John Shirley and the Reboot defunct Mangulation of latin doesn't even track because the wrong forms are used, A nor is it even spelled correctly, B and completely lacks context, C.
Which pales in comparison to your mangling of Latin, Greek and English.
The predators would call them
Oohf**kithinkijustshatmypantsthatthingisscaryashell raptus
click click clicks
dick heads
hoochy
the jackson 5s
death bloods
hunters hunter
night death
shadows
squeelers
I belive they call them "Hard Meat". There is a name for them in predator, but i can't get at it right now, but I will post it soon.
Jesus this thread is old. Anyway they are just aliens. There is no set name. All of it is a guessing work. And the Predators may simply call them aliens , as we do , Predators may call us aliens , since we are to them and they are to us. Oh and oomans is the worst name I've ever heard , warhammer orcs call people that sometimes.
I have found the website.
Human in pred is Ooman/Soft Meat.
And Alien in pred is Kainde Amedha/Hard Meat.
If you want to view the site, it is here: http://www.geocities.com/anrkist645/
They name them 'hard meat'.
Predators would call Aliens OH SHI-
Seriously, though, I don't think it matters that much. Trying to come up with all this stuff to add on to the mysterious predator race just humanises them and makes them boring.
I think the predator calls humans Ooman meaning like soft meat and aliens kainde meaning hard meat from memory! :P
How about "dead"
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 07, 2007, 04:48:00 PM
Maybe they called them "Internecivus raptus". In the Alien Quadrilogy DVD identifies the scientific name of the Xenomorph race.
Can anyone give me exactly where this is? I'm working on a master's dissertation and I'd like to use something other than "xenomorph" and "alien". I need the proper references to use a name like this tough so where in the movie or under what special feature does this appear (minute, etc.)?
TIA
It's on the menu screens from memory.
*Serpents* as refered to the new release AVP game by rebellion when you play as the Predator they call the Aliens *Serpents* alot nuthing else
Kaindhe Amedha, of course!
Joke... ;)
What a dangerous thread...
I actually like Kaindhe Amedha, even if the meaning behind it is stupid. :P
It's not stupid, I like this name too... I like it very much...
But it's so not canonical... ;D
Serpents, hard meat, the ultimate prey....
Serpents it's the most absurd name, I ever heard. ;D I know, it is used in movies and games. But, for God's sake ...
Serpents don't have legs? Either something is wrong with me... ;D
Sangheili.
Quote from: Bevo2506 on Feb 25, 2010, 03:46:37 AM
*Serpents* as refered to the new release AVP game by rebellion when you play as the Predator they call the Aliens *Serpents* alot nuthing else
I think the Predator's page in the manual calls them something else, too. I'll have to double-check to be sure.
The "serpents" name makes sense, although it makes you wonder how much of the old languages in 'AvP' were therefore apparently derived from the Predator written language - Sebastian translates the writings on the wall in the temple, but we're assuming that it was actually written by human hands. Being a Predator temple, it might have been Predator writing in some capacity.
Then again, they see naturally in infrared, so written word as we use it (visible in "normal" light) wouldn't work. Carved writing could work, assuming they read it like Braille or whatever.
Not so sure. Curving letters has a bit different temperature than background. There is visible difference between temperatures. So it's possible IMHO to read it in infrared. Question is: how sensitive is their sight. No doubt much more, than human's lame instruments. ;) We shouldn't compare it, I think.
"Serpent" isn't such a bad term. It's true that serpents do not have limbs, but the term "serpent" is also associated with draconic imagery and the entire concept of an ultimate adversary. For Predators, both approaches to the term "serpent" are really appropriate.
I think the new AvP game has an animation where, as a Predator, you can rip out an Alien's inner jaw and collect it as a trophy. That concept goes back to medieval times and beyond, when legends spoke of knights who would collect the tongues of great monsters to prove that they had slain them, most notably dragons.
If the Aliens are indeed the ultimate prey of the Predators, then giving them serpentine connotations is entirely appropriate.
Perhaps it would also be appropriate to not make the Aliens the whipping boys of the next franchise outing, too. :-\
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 25, 2010, 11:56:19 AM
I think the new AvP game has an animation where, as a Predator, you can rip out an Alien's inner jaw and collect it as a trophy.
Directly referencing
Alien: Resurrection. A souvenir! ;D
Thank you, Alex, it was very interesting explanations. So I can agree on name "serpents" now. IMHO Xenos are ultimate prey of the Predators. But more like challenge. It's not only prey, it's proof, that they are more perfect than death. In this moment, of course. ;) Otherwise everything would be meaningless. :-\
Depth. ;)
Well, just so that I add something more to the debate so that it doesn't stand so still ;) a note: the hieroglyphs and inscriptions read by Sebastian were most likely written by humans, and it sounds more like a mythology of the humans - thus using terms and language understandable to humans. Most of all, it is in Egyptian/Aztec/whatnot, so Sebastian can read it. He reads the term as "serpent", it is probably a word for serpent in one of the three languages, but of course, that is just as close as one can guess. And of course, we do not know anything for sure - Sebastian lives in the 21st century, he reads according to what he had learned somewhere in the university. People of "that age" might have as well read the thing completely differently... (And the symbol became used for "serpent" only later on. Also, no idea how many different symbols that alphabet had - they could have had the same symbol for, for example, serpent, dragon, lizard, even eel or something, and alien... simply, things which looked alike to them enough to use the same word for that. Although it is still quite possible that it was simply "serpents". Note: "GREAT serpents", that is. Anyway, figurative meaning. They never saw anything like that before so they likened it to what they knew and used the same word for it.)
I think, you made good point and I think it's obvious.
Every time, when we talk about different culture, we have to use ony our own view of reality. Only our eyes, looking at it.
This is why we still argue about words "honor" or "sport", which are supposed to describe Preds behaviour. This is, why still can't agree about relation between Preds and Xenos. Translation from ancient language it's almost so difficult as talking with alien species. Nothing is similar, no common experiences. When we talk about simple thing, for example senses using to perception of the world, we always have to use our, human's meaning. We always have to look at it thru our significative prism. And this fact doubtless deforms our perception.
When we talk about alien species, no matter which, we have to use words similar to our world. So we have "crab-like", "reptile-like" etc. descriptions.
If Sebastian was using the word "serpent", my first reaction was "wait a minute, they have limbs!" because this word for me means "snake". Funny, but as foreigner, I have my vocabulary very limited . And this is exactly this same situation. This is great example, how to talk with alien. Patiently. ;)
QuotePeople of "that age" might have as well read the thing completely differently
Totally right point, I agree. But on this matter I think can not be count. As long as the pyramid is destroyed and no one else has a picture of the hieroglyphs Sebastian was reading, it cannot be a matter of any research, so no matter what, for this time being the serpent expression is the only one we can refer to aliens if we want to use the 'language' of those who built the pyramid. It doesn't have to accepted, but as long as there's no picture of those hieroglyphs they can be 'serpents' in that languagae (or some made up name if one thinks the translation of Seb was wrong).
Quotemost likely written by humans, and it sounds more like a mythology of the humans - thus using terms and language understandable to humans.
I think it's very important. Those are human hieroglyphs. Human language, using a human word to those creatures. Why should preds use the same expression?
QuoteI think the new AvP game has an animation where, as a Predator, you can rip out an Alien's inner jaw and collect it as a trophy. That concept goes back to medieval times and beyond, when legends spoke of knights who would collect the tongues of great monsters to prove that they had slain them, most notably dragons.
I don't see the connection, sorry. These legends stands for humans and for medieval ages. Why would it mean anything to predators, or their language according to aliens? Similar rhytes (this time the taking of the inner jaw) and their subjects run by different names in human cultures. And dragons were feared/ respected in many different forms from Irealnd to the far east, and there were so many ways of think about/ worshipping them (Greeks thought about some of monsters and sons of Earth itself, or sons of the gods). But even with this why would preds refer to aliens with that term? I'm not bugging you, please don't think that, but I don't see the connection. Can you make it clear for me?
By the way I think preds have a common word for aliens, but they use it rarely. I think every clan (and every individual) has a different expression (not necessarily a word, it can be a gesture or click) for the most deadly prey in the universe.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Feb 25, 2010, 02:16:33 PM
I don't see the connection, sorry. These legends stands for humans and for medieval ages. Why would it mean anything to predators, or their language according to aliens? Similar rhytes (this time the taking of the inner jaw) and their subjects run by different names in human cultures. And dragons were feared/ respected in many different forms from Irealnd to the far east, and there were so many ways of think about/ worshipping them (Greeks thought about some of monsters and sons of Earth itself, or sons of the gods). But even with this why would preds refer to aliens with that term? I'm not bugging you, please don't think that, but I don't see the connection. Can you make it clear for me?
Predators are fictional creatures created by a human mind. Attributing the term "serpents" to their most respected adversaries is a break-the-forth-wall-without-anyone-noticing way of giving the Predators a sort of cohesion with legends of great human warriors.
I see that. But it doesn't explains me how would this link between ancient heroes and preds would mean preds call the aliens serpents, just because humans did. It could be that the word serpent is based on the pronunciation of the preds' word to the alien, but I don't think so. Erm, sorry for misunderstanding, but I still don't see it :-\
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Officially, Predator speech is probably incomprehensible to us. So their word for it isn't literally "serpent".
But it's translated to us as "serpent" due to the connotations it holds.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Feb 25, 2010, 02:40:35 PM
I see that. But it doesn't explains me how would this link between ancient heroes and preds would mean preds call the aliens serpents, just because humans did. It could be that the word serpent is based on the pronunciation of the preds' word to the alien, but I don't think so. Erm, sorry for misunderstanding, but I still don't see it :-\
I don't think anyone was implying Predators called them Serpents. Serpent was probably a human based name for them based on the fact that ancient people probably would have thought they were some sort of dragon.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 25, 2010, 06:57:15 AM
Sangheili.
Meddler! This outbreak must be contained!
Well, I must be really a stupid mofo not to get it first. So you mean the word itself isn't important, just the way preds fight with aliens, which can be refered to humans as serpents, because some of their legendary warriors fought just like the same (thus they can be connected to preds) from the past? Did you mean this? I thought you're trying to make a point why preds would use that word. I'm... ashamed. Sorry. :-\
QuoteI don't think anyone was implying Predators called them Serpents. Serpent was probably a human based name for them based on the fact that ancient people probably would have thought they were some sort of dragon.
That's what I didn't see. Stupid, careless mistake. Sorry for the trouble. :(
Yep, that's it.
I think it's called hard meat because aliens are the ultimate prey for preds. That or serpents.
Predators call Xenomorphs... Billy
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2010, 01:28:32 AM
It's on the menu screens from memory.
Oh, thanks. Doubt it's on my Definitive edition but I think I can get away with being vague if it's on a menu.
Also In the film AVP when that chick and guy (cant remember the name of them) was trapped behind the stone wall and the pred on the other side...and while they guy is breaking down his theory of whats going on he calls them serpents as well....but hes a human not a pred tho.
:) As far as I remember - there was a term in Yautja language - Kainde Amedha - "hard/tough meat"... in other places I saw the term "the great serpents" to be used too... (and sorry for repeating the statements above XD)
Kiande Amedha is the Yautja equivalent of Xenomorph.
In the Steve Perry books the aliens are known as hard meat, although since the AVP movie the new games have been labeling them serpents.
Where did all these Yautja mythos and terms ever come from anyways?
I refer to them as Predator because that's what they are called in the movies. I have never heard them call them Yautja in any movie.
the novels, specifically, Steve Perry's. i think they are bullshit, but thats me.
It comes from the books. I think they are ok in some terms. In some they are not.
Well maybe they dont have a specific name at all, maybe its like "Oh damn its the black as night creature!!! argh!!"
What would they call them?
Big game, is my guess. I'm a biased Pred fan, so maybe I would say, "cannon-fodder" ;)
Lol cannon-fodder eh?
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Mar 07, 2010, 12:21:40 AM
What would they call them?
Big game, is my guess. I'm a biased Pred fan, so maybe I would say, "cannon-fodder" ;)
Nope. This name is reserved by the Strauss Brothers.
Lord and Master.
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 07, 2010, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Mar 07, 2010, 12:21:40 AM
What would they call them?
Big game, is my guess. I'm a biased Pred fan, so maybe I would say, "cannon-fodder" ;)
Nope. This name is reserved by the Strauss Brothers.
Damn Strauss brothers...*Raises trusty boom stick!*
What would a Predator call an Alien?
Slobbery stinky face.
Quote from: ShadowStalker on Mar 07, 2010, 09:44:36 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Mar 07, 2010, 09:25:29 PM
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Mar 07, 2010, 12:21:40 AM
What would they call them?
Big game, is my guess. I'm a biased Pred fan, so maybe I would say, "cannon-fodder" ;)
Nope. This name is reserved by the Strauss Brothers.
Damn Strauss brothers...*Raises trusty boom stick!*
Amen to that, the Strauss Brothers can and will burn in hell.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 06, 2010, 08:40:40 PM
the novels, specifically, Steve Perry's. i think they are bullshit, but thats me.
No, I agree. I stick to the movies.
Quite honestly serpents is fantastic, but thats just me. of course they say it in their language, but it translates to serpents.
Quote from: EarthHive on Mar 08, 2010, 04:42:40 AM
What would a Predator call an Alien?
Slobbery stinky face.
Sure they wouldn't call themselves that? :P