Title: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 12:32:43 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 12:32:43 PM
While the official marketing of Alien: Romulus is expected to start winding up over the next month or so, things have been very quiet on the details front for Fede Alvarez’s upcoming Alien: Romulus. However, the last few days have seen quite a few details about Alien: Romulus unleashed on the internet from various insiders with knowledge of a recent test screening (you can check out a summary of that information here).
Beware huge spoilers! Please do not read further if you don’t want the connections spoilers. You have been warned!
While it’s been public for a while thanks to the Perfect Organism Podcast’s previous teases about the film having connections to the prequel films, Mike’s Monsters has recently confirmed that neither David or the Covenant are featured in the film at all. So what is the connection?
Rather, Alien vs. Predator Galaxy can exclusively confirm that the black goo (or accelerant as it is known in the expanded universe) is making a return in the film. A Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2 model android was able to discover and reverse engineer the genetic makeup of the black goo contained within the DNA of the Aliens that had been captive aboard the spacestation. Known in Alien: Romulus as the Prometheus Strain, the scientists had been experimenting with the black goo as a miracle cure for all diseases.
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Alien: Romulus will also feature another huge connection to the original Alien film in the way of the inclusion of the previously mentioned Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2. Named Rook, this new synthetic character features the likeness and voice of the late Sir Ian Holm which Alien vs. Predator Galaxy understands is augmented by AI.
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 12:54:07 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 12:54:07 PM
Wow that is huge. But if it looks good then it could be brilliant.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 13, 2024, 12:58:54 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 13, 2024, 12:58:54 PM
As long as it doesn't create stuff randomly anytime the story needs it, I can deal with it. I'm not a fan though.
Ian Holm ? That's one hell of a big nod to the fans. Still, they are androids, same model reappearing is not extravagant. CGI will have to be top notch to fully pull it off.
Ian Holm ? That's one hell of a big nod to the fans. Still, they are androids, same model reappearing is not extravagant. CGI will have to be top notch to fully pull it off.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 13, 2024, 12:59:39 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 13, 2024, 12:59:39 PM
Hmmm... I think I'm gonna skip reading this one. Might stop reading/listening to/watching stuff that isn't officially released in general now moving forward, to be honest. Mike's last video was with the Facehugger details is gonna be my cutoff there.
We're getting a bit too close to release now for me to want to start taking in details on the story...
We're getting a bit too close to release now for me to want to start taking in details on the story...
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 13, 2024, 01:03:06 PM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 13, 2024, 01:03:06 PM
Black... Goo...
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Pete LV426 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:09:10 PM
Post by: Pete LV426 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:09:10 PM
This sounds like early April fools territory!
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Stitch on Mar 13, 2024, 01:10:30 PM
Post by: Stitch on Mar 13, 2024, 01:10:30 PM
Hmm. I genuinely am not sure how much I like this.
The black goo being experimented with, I can understand. But being used for medical purposes kinda brings it way closer to the comics and their Royal Jelly. Is there going to be any Xeno-Zip? And calling it the Prometheus Strain is a little too on the nose for me.
As for the likeness and AI voice of Ian Holm, I don't think I like it. I mean, hopefully it will be done in a respectful way, but it still feels kinda off. Couldn't they have got Martin Freeman as an alternative A/2? You could still use the same android model, and retain the out of universe continuity nod to fans.
All this new info feels just a little off-putting.
The black goo being experimented with, I can understand. But being used for medical purposes kinda brings it way closer to the comics and their Royal Jelly. Is there going to be any Xeno-Zip? And calling it the Prometheus Strain is a little too on the nose for me.
As for the likeness and AI voice of Ian Holm, I don't think I like it. I mean, hopefully it will be done in a respectful way, but it still feels kinda off. Couldn't they have got Martin Freeman as an alternative A/2? You could still use the same android model, and retain the out of universe continuity nod to fans.
All this new info feels just a little off-putting.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 01:11:31 PM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 01:11:31 PM
Thematically this makes sense, given that Hyperdyne based the 120-A2 on the David series' synaptic algorithms.
But the Ian Holm thing... uhh. Feels a bit sweaty.
But the Ian Holm thing... uhh. Feels a bit sweaty.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:16:51 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:16:51 PM
No fan of the black goo MacGuffin, but I remain cautiously optimistic for this. I mean, we're due right?
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 01:17:33 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 01:17:33 PM
Well obviously his family must have given their blessing so I am sure it will be handled as respectfully as possible.
What bothers me more is the company seemingly having the alien long enough to perform comprehensive experiments on them, yet it is pre-Aliens.
We know the Covenant is not in this now, so where are the eggs coming from?
I just hope this film doesnt undermine future rewatches of Aliens in any way. I want it to succeed so much but it would seem better placed as a post Alien 3 storyline.
In a weird sense this is looking similar to the Gibson storyline.
What bothers me more is the company seemingly having the alien long enough to perform comprehensive experiments on them, yet it is pre-Aliens.
We know the Covenant is not in this now, so where are the eggs coming from?
I just hope this film doesnt undermine future rewatches of Aliens in any way. I want it to succeed so much but it would seem better placed as a post Alien 3 storyline.
In a weird sense this is looking similar to the Gibson storyline.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Spiderpope on Mar 13, 2024, 01:21:22 PM
Post by: Spiderpope on Mar 13, 2024, 01:21:22 PM
I could really do without the ghoulish puppeting of the deceased in films.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:23:37 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:23:37 PM
Isn't Rook from ACM?
That android name sounds very familiar...
That android name sounds very familiar...
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 01:24:42 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 01:24:42 PM
Considering the earlier rumors of Phoebe Waller being looked at to play Rook(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2022/12/30/rumor-phoebe-waller-bridge-to-play-alien-romulus-new-android/), I don't think this was always the plan. But I'm actually rather excited for it assuming they've embraced the changes that we saw amateurs do after the response to the efforts in Rogue One and Mandalorian and with Disney hiring the same amateurs.
I've always liked the idea of revisiting existing synth models and it was one of the things I liked about Covenant.
There is a Rook in ACM, yeah. It was another Bishop model.
I've always liked the idea of revisiting existing synth models and it was one of the things I liked about Covenant.
Quote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:23:37 PMIsn't Rook from ACM?
That android name sounds very familiar...
There is a Rook in ACM, yeah. It was another Bishop model.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 01:25:47 PM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:23:37 PMIsn't Rook from ACM?
That android name sounds very familiar...
There is also a Bishop model android named Rook in Rachel Caine's superb Bug Hunt story Broken. He was hijacked and reprogrammed by a terrorist group.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:26:41 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:26:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 01:24:42 PMThere is a Rook in ACM, yeah. It was another Bishop model.
Oh noes!
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 01:26:59 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 01:26:59 PM
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 01:25:47 PMQuote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:23:37 PMIsn't Rook from ACM?
That android name sounds very familiar...
No, he's a Bishop model android from Rachel Caine's superb Bug Hunt story Broken.
And that one too. We've had 2 Rooks that are Bishop models.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:31:18 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 01:25:47 PMQuote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:23:37 PMIsn't Rook from ACM?
That android name sounds very familiar...
There is also a Bishop model android named Rook in Rachel Caine's superb Bug Hunt story Broken. He was hijacked and reprogrammed by a terrorist group.
Rooks! Rooks everywhere!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2012/04/23/first-look-at-lance-henriksen-in-aliens-colonial-marines/
@Mike please level with us. Is Turk in this film?
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 01:34:27 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 01:34:27 PM
Oh, there's also a Rook in Cold Forge. Fede definitely read it.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 13, 2024, 01:45:39 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 13, 2024, 01:45:39 PM
Please remember to use spoiler tags from now on when discussing about very specific stuff, such as new creatures for example. I'm sure not everyone wants to know what they are or look like just yet. Including me ;D
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:56:59 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 01:34:27 PMOh, there's also a Rook in Cold Forge. Fede definitely read it.
At the end of the day they're all just chess pieces. Bishop, Rook even the Queen...
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: lv_226 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:57:24 PM
Post by: lv_226 on Mar 13, 2024, 01:57:24 PM
This was not what I was expecting, but that's the thing about expectations, no? I should have learned my lesson after Covenant... It's interesting how the fans can come up with things that are usually more creative than the films they are a fan of--more coherent, too. How is this supposed to sit between Alien and Aliens? I mean, if they, the company, already has access to the Alien, then why does it matter going back to LV-426 in Aliens? If the Covenant and David aren't part of this, which would be a good way to answer the question about how WY got the alien in the first place, I am really curious how they are going to handle that issue... feels like egg aboard the Sulaco thing all over again.
Someone else said it on here a few days ago: a soft adaptation of Isolation with connections to Covenant via the scavenger crew would've been ideal. I guess we will have to see how this looks before making further judgments.
Someone else said it on here a few days ago: a soft adaptation of Isolation with connections to Covenant via the scavenger crew would've been ideal. I guess we will have to see how this looks before making further judgments.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 13, 2024, 02:22:10 PM
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 13, 2024, 02:22:10 PM
https://www.alien-covenant.com/news/exclusive-alien-romulus-feature-this-big-connection-original-alien-1979-movie-major-spoiler
@NightmareAsylum
@NightmareAsylum
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 02:23:33 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 02:23:33 PM
They're just going all in today. This was the thing I was considering posting this morning instead of what I did share, but I didn't want to go all in on the plot spoilers.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 13, 2024, 02:23:35 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 13, 2024, 02:23:35 PM
Ok I like it a bit better that way.
Spoiler
Extracting whatever from a retrieved Big Chap makes a bit more sense IMO
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 02:25:22 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 02:25:22 PM
Spoiler
so this xeno running around along with the face huggers, is this big chap?
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 13, 2024, 02:28:47 PM
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 13, 2024, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 02:25:22 PMSpoiler
so this xeno running around along with the face huggers, is this big chap?[close]
Spoiler
No, but they are sort of his spawn, since they were created by the reverse engineering of Big Chap's remains.
A spiritual return of Big Chap...
A spiritual return of Big Chap...
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 13, 2024, 02:30:33 PM
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 13, 2024, 02:30:33 PM
Spoiler
I was really hoping Alien would avoid all this AI recreated actors :/
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 02:32:07 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 02:32:07 PM
@PortugueseXeno
I'd spoiler tag that if I were you.
I'd spoiler tag that if I were you.
Spoiler
The reason I ask is that report mentions Big Chap survived, albeit in bad shape and Mike's report said one of the xenos was covered in scars.
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 13, 2024, 02:32:16 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 13, 2024, 02:32:16 PM
I get that it can be weird
Spoiler
but what better than a synthetic to reappear as it was ?
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 13, 2024, 02:36:57 PM
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 13, 2024, 02:36:57 PM
Spoiler
My guess is that we will have a bunch of lesser mutated and altered Xenos running around while the main one is the classic Biomechanical one.
If Fede was smart, he should have included the AVP movie Aliens as some of the lesser ones
If Fede was smart, he should have included the AVP movie Aliens as some of the lesser ones
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 13, 2024, 02:37:05 PM
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 13, 2024, 02:37:05 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 02:32:07 PM@PortugueseXeno
I'd spoiler tag that if I were you.Spoiler
The reason I ask is that report mentions Big Chap survived, albeit in bad shape and Mike's report said one of the xenos was covered in scars.[close]
Spoiler
Probably his corpse.
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 02:41:10 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 02:41:10 PM
Let's remember to still use spoiler tags where we can folk :)
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 13, 2024, 02:43:59 PM
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 13, 2024, 02:43:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 02:41:10 PMLet's remember to still use spoiler tags where we can folk :)
Sorry, my bad.
I didn't know how.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 02:44:40 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 02:44:40 PM
There's a little logo above all the emojis that's a nuclear sign. Click that, it'll create the tags for you.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: razeak on Mar 13, 2024, 02:51:20 PM
Post by: razeak on Mar 13, 2024, 02:51:20 PM
Well..............black goo............this doesn't excite me. My expectations were just tempered. Big time. Funny how a few days ago my excitement finally reached a boiling point. Now we are dropping to room temperature quicky.
"Let's just bug out and call it even, OK? What are we talking about this for?"
"Let's just bug out and call it even, OK? What are we talking about this for?"
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Chris P on Mar 13, 2024, 02:54:21 PM
Post by: Chris P on Mar 13, 2024, 02:54:21 PM
All aboard the hype train!
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 02:57:14 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 13, 2024, 02:57:14 PM
The thread title is already tagged for spoilers. Perhaps those that don't want to be spoiled should just stay out of it? Otherwise every reply is going to have to be in spoiler tags.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 13, 2024, 03:00:08 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 13, 2024, 03:00:08 PM
What about egg-mophing? ;)
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 03:01:14 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 03:01:14 PM
I agree. I don't think we should be using spoilers tags considering the thread itself is labelled as one big spoiler.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 03:04:15 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 13, 2024, 03:04:15 PM
Spoiler
So im assuming the hints several people have dropped about the film opening directly after Alien will be a Wey-Yu salvage team looking for the Nostromo and instead finding the big chap floating around?
Then the move skips ahead x amount of years.
Then the move skips ahead x amount of years.
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 13, 2024, 03:17:51 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 13, 2024, 03:17:51 PM
I mean there are things that are not talked about in the initial post of this thread, that could be spoiled here.
For example
For that I'm all for using spoiler tags.
For example
Spoiler
new creatures etc
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For that I'm all for using spoiler tags.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 03:22:36 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 03:22:36 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 03:01:14 PMI agree. I don't think we should be using spoilers tags considering the thread itself is labelled as one big spoiler.
*cough*Recent Posts*cough*
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 03:24:25 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 03:24:25 PM
^^^ Indeed. It's a simple request, and doesn't take much effort. Please.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 03:27:12 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 03:27:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 12:32:43 PMSpoiler
Rather, Alien vs. Predator Galaxy can exclusively confirm that the black goo (or accelerant as it is known in the expanded universe) is making a return in the film. A Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2 model android was able to discover and reverse engineer the genetic makeup of the black goo contained within the DNA of the Aliens that had been captive aboard the spacestation. Known in Alien: Romulus as the Prometheus Strain, the scientists had been experimenting with the black goo as a miracle cure for all diseases[close]
Wait, is Alex White screenwriter here ?
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 03:31:11 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 03:31:11 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 03:24:25 PM^^^ Indeed. It's a simple request, and doesn't take much effort. Please.
As you wish :) Not gonna argue but it will kill the conversation because almost everything will be hidden by spoilers tags in already tagged for spoilers threat.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 13, 2024, 03:32:04 PM
Post by: Vrastal on Mar 13, 2024, 03:32:04 PM
Gotta say im dissapointed theyre doing more balck goo. I havent liked what theyre doing with it so far in the books and comics
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 03:32:28 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 03:32:28 PM
If folk can't be bothered to just click the spoiler tag...not sure what I can do to encourage that minute bit of effort.
Someone on Facebook reminded me today about the book being on Fede's shelf when he shared that picture of reference material. I have no doubt Cold Forge heavily influenced the movie now. Especially given the randomly named Rook.
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 03:27:12 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 12:32:43 PMSpoiler
Rather, Alien vs. Predator Galaxy can exclusively confirm that the black goo (or accelerant as it is known in the expanded universe) is making a return in the film. A Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2 model android was able to discover and reverse engineer the genetic makeup of the black goo contained within the DNA of the Aliens that had been captive aboard the spacestation. Known in Alien: Romulus as the Prometheus Strain, the scientists had been experimenting with the black goo as a miracle cure for all diseases[close]
Wait, is Alex White screenwriter here ?
Someone on Facebook reminded me today about the book being on Fede's shelf when he shared that picture of reference material. I have no doubt Cold Forge heavily influenced the movie now. Especially given the randomly named Rook.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 03:37:05 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 03:37:05 PM
It's not about that Hicks. I obviously don't mind clicking the spoiler tag. No problem at all. It's just the fact that we're already having conversation in the tagged for spoilers topic. It will kill the flow.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 13, 2024, 03:37:25 PM
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 13, 2024, 03:37:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 03:32:28 PMIf folk can't be bothered to just click the spoiler tag...not sure what I can do to encourage that minute bit of effort.
I don't mind clicking the Spoiler tag for courtesy's sake, but i think that a lot of people will forget to do that (like i did at first), because this is already a spoiler/leaks thread, so the concept of hiding spoilers is out of their mind, since they are already immersed in the discussion of spoilers in a spoiler thread.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: yuppy on Mar 13, 2024, 03:38:17 PM
Post by: yuppy on Mar 13, 2024, 03:38:17 PM
wowww, Ian Holme repro using technology today will surely get people talking about fair use!
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Dachande on Mar 13, 2024, 03:50:43 PM
Post by: Dachande on Mar 13, 2024, 03:50:43 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 03:37:05 PMIt's not about that Hicks. I obviously don't mind clicking the spoiler tag. No problem at all. It's just the fact that we're already having conversation in the tagged for spoilers topic. It will kill the flow.
Using myself as an example, I mainly browse through the most recent post page. So I'll be shown the spoilers whether I choose to enter the thread or not post. Now I doubt I'm the only person who browses the site this way, so it's more for the courtesy of hiding spoilers from people, who might browse the site in a different way from you.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 03:52:35 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 13, 2024, 03:52:35 PM
Quote from: yuppy on Mar 13, 2024, 03:38:17 PMwowww, Ian Holme repro using technology today will surely get people talking about fair use!
I would expect/hope it's all been above board and approved with his estate or that they actually have the rights to his likeness.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Neila on Mar 13, 2024, 04:17:23 PM
Post by: Neila on Mar 13, 2024, 04:17:23 PM
no....I don't read anything....I don't watch any trailers.....
no no no......
no no no......
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 04:24:22 PM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 04:24:22 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 03:27:12 PMWait, is Alex White screenwriter here ?
We wish.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 04:43:37 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 04:43:37 PM
I mean, plot details Hicks shared sound VERY Cold Forge
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 13, 2024, 05:00:26 PM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 13, 2024, 05:00:26 PM
Whatever the Prequel Easter eggs are it will annoy some fans that refuse to acknowledge those films and will please others, holding out that they someday make one more movie Post Alien Covenant ending the David story leading into beginning of Alien.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 05:13:48 PM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 05:13:48 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 13, 2024, 05:00:26 PMWhatever the Prequel Easter eggs are it will annoy some fans that refuse to acknowledge those films and will please others, holding out that they someday make one more movie Post Alien Covenant ending the David story leading into beginning of Alien.
Well, if
Spoiler
my suspicions about the "Prometheus strain" being taken out of Big Chap are correct, then Covenant kinda leads into Alien already.
[close]
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 13, 2024, 06:01:30 PM
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 13, 2024, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 05:13:48 PMNot necessarily, leaves it vague for either originQuote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 13, 2024, 05:00:26 PMWhatever the Prequel Easter eggs are it will annoy some fans that refuse to acknowledge those films and will please others, holding out that they someday make one more movie Post Alien Covenant ending the David story leading into beginning of Alien.
Well, ifSpoiler
my suspicions about the "Prometheus strain" being taken out of Big Chap are correct, then Covenant kinda leads into Alien already.[close]
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 13, 2024, 06:59:18 PM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 13, 2024, 06:59:18 PM
@SluttBadger I meant more in an explicit direct story seeing the End of David8's arc and the circumstances leading to the Derelict backstory linking to the doomed Nostromo mission.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 07:03:12 PM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 13, 2024, 07:03:12 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 13, 2024, 06:59:18 PM@SluttBadger I meant more in an explicit direct story seeing the End of David8's arc and the circumstances leading to the Derelict backstory linking to the doomed Nostromo mission.
Would have been nice.
But hey, we're getting this instead.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 07:10:43 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 07:10:43 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 04:43:37 PMI mean, plot details Hicks shared sound VERY Cold Forge
It was recommended to me. Have your read it?
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 13, 2024, 07:52:46 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 13, 2024, 07:52:46 PM
Spoiler
Oh I really do not like Ian Holm being in this. Puppeteering corpses for entertainment is gross.
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Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 07:56:01 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 07:56:01 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2024, 07:52:46 PMSpoiler
Oh I really do not like Ian Holm being in this. Puppeteering corpses for entertainment is gross.[close]
Spoiler
Was Martin Freeman not available?
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Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 07:10:43 PMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 04:43:37 PMI mean, plot details Hicks shared sound VERY Cold Forge
It was recommended to me. Have your read it?
I have. It's no Colony War, that's for sure.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 13, 2024, 07:59:23 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 13, 2024, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2024, 07:52:46 PMSpoiler
Oh I really do not like Ian Holm being in this. Puppeteering corpses for entertainment is gross.[close]
Yeah I forgot to mention that, not really a fan of this either.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 08:06:32 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 08:06:32 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 07:56:01 PMSpoiler
Was Martin Freeman not available?[close]Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 07:10:43 PMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 04:43:37 PMI mean, plot details Hicks shared sound VERY Cold Forge
It was recommended to me. Have your read it?
I have. It's no Colony War, that's for sure.
I haven't read any Alien novels so ...
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 13, 2024, 08:17:04 PM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 13, 2024, 08:17:04 PM
Would ask @Mike's Monsters, Ridley Scott said something to the effect he was treating Prometheus as a prologue for the saga and that Alien Covenant would be the Second of Four films, (he jokingly said he'd keep going For another Six,) it somewhat suggests they scaled it back to at least 1 more movie idea leading to the start of the original Alien, can I ask was that hypothetical Prometheus 3 final prequel script actually written or was it just a undefined outline?
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Stitch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:20:11 PM
Post by: Stitch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:20:11 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 07:56:01 PMQuote from: SiL on Mar 13, 2024, 07:52:46 PMSpoiler
Oh I really do not like Ian Holm being in this. Puppeteering corpses for entertainment is gross.[close]Spoiler
Was Martin Freeman not available?[close]
You stealing my ideas?
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 13, 2024, 01:10:30 PMAs for the likeness and AI voice of Ian Holm, I don't think I like it. I mean, hopefully it will be done in a respectful way, but it still feels kinda off. Couldn't they have got Martin Freeman as an alternative A/2? You could still use the same android model, and retain the out of universe continuity nod to fans.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 08:27:14 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 08:27:14 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:20:11 PMYou stealing my ideas?
Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2020, 05:41:56 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2020, 04:27:10 AMIf only they could write in another character who knows about his TE Lawrence fanboyism to narrate his failure and rub it in:QuoteAnd there you have it, David. Miles and miles of that which you claimed credit for creating. Only...how could that be when they've clearly existed since before London was even a village?
You're nothing but a counterfeiter, David, masquerading as a virtuoso.
It must be humiliating.
I'd pity you if I didn't already loathe you, so all I can offer is this: the trick is not minding that it hurts.
Then he gets torched by a flamethrower. It could be the "I drink your milkshake" moment of the prequel trilogy.
Played by a de-aged Ian Holm.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2020, 06:12:20 AMYou mean Martin Freeman?
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 08:28:50 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 07:10:43 PMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 13, 2024, 04:43:37 PMI mean, plot details Hicks shared sound VERY Cold Forge
It was recommended to me. Have your read it?
Yep. I liked it well enough although I feel that book was a bit over-hyped for me. But if nothing else it's a good Alien book written by a competent writer who gives a shit about the material
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 08:27:14 PMQuote from: Stitch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:20:11 PMYou stealing my ideas?Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2020, 05:41:56 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2020, 04:27:10 AMIf only they could write in another character who knows about his TE Lawrence fanboyism to narrate his failure and rub it in:QuoteAnd there you have it, David. Miles and miles of that which you claimed credit for creating. Only...how could that be when they've clearly existed since before London was even a village?
You're nothing but a counterfeiter, David, masquerading as a virtuoso.
It must be humiliating.
I'd pity you if I didn't already loathe you, so all I can offer is this: the trick is not minding that it hurts.
Then he gets torched by a flamethrower. It could be the "I drink your milkshake" moment of the prequel trilogy.
Played by a de-aged Ian Holm.Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2020, 06:12:20 AMYou mean Martin Freeman?
You show him, Local ! f**k yeah !
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 13, 2024, 08:36:16 PM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 13, 2024, 08:36:16 PM
Reading all of this.. my enthusiasm for the film has already waned. I will watch it, but I'm not expecting much from it.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Stitch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:38:42 PM
Post by: Stitch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:38:42 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2024, 08:27:14 PMTouché.Quote from: Stitch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:20:11 PMYou stealing my ideas?Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2020, 05:41:56 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2020, 04:27:10 AMIf only they could write in another character who knows about his TE Lawrence fanboyism to narrate his failure and rub it in:QuoteAnd there you have it, David. Miles and miles of that which you claimed credit for creating. Only...how could that be when they've clearly existed since before London was even a village?
You're nothing but a counterfeiter, David, masquerading as a virtuoso.
It must be humiliating.
I'd pity you if I didn't already loathe you, so all I can offer is this: the trick is not minding that it hurts.
Then he gets torched by a flamethrower. It could be the "I drink your milkshake" moment of the prequel trilogy.
Played by a de-aged Ian Holm.Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 12, 2020, 06:12:20 AMYou mean Martin Freeman?
Now that you've mentioned it, I remember reading that thread and going to post the same joke about Martin Freeman but you beat me to the post so I didn't. Stole my idea before I even had a chance to get it down. That's some Inception shit right there.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:46:05 PM
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:46:05 PM
The real people to blame about the spoiler leaks isn't even Mr H, it's the people who went to test screenings and even thought they agree not to reveal what they've seen do it anyway.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 08:55:01 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 13, 2024, 08:55:01 PM
That is true. He just capitalized on it. But let's be honest, sooner or later somebody would have spoiled it anyway. It's Internet.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: jacobo1122 on Mar 14, 2024, 10:53:10 AM
Post by: jacobo1122 on Mar 14, 2024, 10:53:10 AM
Ever since I made my peace with prequels, I think that black goo was nice lore addition that opens up many possibilities, but it was too much of a plot device that can do everything and it needed simplification and better connection to Xenomorphs. So I loved what happened with it in some of EU things, mainly in Alex White's books and RPG. The way how it connects to XX121s and how it works was genius for me, but since it was only in EU stuff, it wasn't really treated as hard canon or anything. Still in others publications authors dealt with pathogen how they saw fit, sometimes it infected Xenos, sometines they were immune to it, sometines mutations caused by it were more random, sometimes less, etc. So I'm happy that it will be featured in new movie and more connected to classic Aliens. Maybe when we will se how it works in the movie, there finally will be more solid rules about how to use it in other media.
But if android really will have Ian Holm's apperance made by AI, that's a big nono for me. I despise modern movie studios' practices of digital necromancy. It doesn't look convincing and it decreeses possibilities of seeing new interesting takes on classic roles done by other talented actors.
But if android really will have Ian Holm's apperance made by AI, that's a big nono for me. I despise modern movie studios' practices of digital necromancy. It doesn't look convincing and it decreeses possibilities of seeing new interesting takes on classic roles done by other talented actors.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 14, 2024, 12:27:34 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 14, 2024, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:46:05 PMThe real people to blame about the spoiler leaks isn't even Mr H, it's the people who went to test screenings and even thought they agree not to reveal what they've seen do it anyway.
Same happened with Covenant. All the beans spilled from the test screenings.
They also made the David/Walter switch more obvious because the test screening audiences didn't pick up on it.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Adam802 on Mar 14, 2024, 02:12:08 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Mar 14, 2024, 02:12:08 PM
Ew, the prequels suck.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 14, 2024, 02:17:55 PM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 14, 2024, 02:17:55 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Mar 14, 2024, 02:12:08 PMEw, the prequels suck.
No they don't.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2024, 02:24:29 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2024, 02:24:29 PM
Quote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 14, 2024, 12:27:34 PMQuote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:46:05 PMThe real people to blame about the spoiler leaks isn't even Mr H, it's the people who went to test screenings and even thought they agree not to reveal what they've seen do it anyway.
Same happened with Covenant. All the beans spilled from the test screenings.
They also made the David/Walter switch more obvious because the test screening audiences didn't pick up on it.
This switch was easily spotted miles away by the most naive and unattentive people I know, no kidding :laugh:
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: razeak on Mar 14, 2024, 02:24:45 PM
Post by: razeak on Mar 14, 2024, 02:24:45 PM
Yes ,they do suck. Haha. Above Resurrection by a few centimeters. They are pretty and have some good acting. The offer almost nothing else besides a neat setup that will never be followed through.
If the pitch at the beginning of this was finding the big chap in space and going from there, I don't think I could be any more unimpressed and I sorely question the quality of writing. This idea is pretty.........uninspired. I just hope the bastard is dead so we don't completely undermine Ripley.
If the pitch at the beginning of this was finding the big chap in space and going from there, I don't think I could be any more unimpressed and I sorely question the quality of writing. This idea is pretty.........uninspired. I just hope the bastard is dead so we don't completely undermine Ripley.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2024, 02:26:54 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2024, 02:26:54 PM
I don't really get how it would undermine Ripley. She survived it. It was in Aliens that she made her mission to try and destroy them.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: razeak on Mar 14, 2024, 02:31:02 PM
Post by: razeak on Mar 14, 2024, 02:31:02 PM
I think it just cheapens the whole idea of her victory because we spent 40+ years with that victory. It would look different to me if they had went that way a few years after it's released, but let's just undo decades of story because the writing team and production decide we have to have Big Chap and "Ash". Now we can expect 40 homages to Alien with repeated dialog and useless visual homages. I pray I'm wrong, but the unoriginality of the premise is smothering any excitement I had.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 14, 2024, 02:36:01 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 14, 2024, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2024, 02:24:29 PMQuote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 14, 2024, 12:27:34 PMQuote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:46:05 PMThe real people to blame about the spoiler leaks isn't even Mr H, it's the people who went to test screenings and even thought they agree not to reveal what they've seen do it anyway.
Same happened with Covenant. All the beans spilled from the test screenings.
They also made the David/Walter switch more obvious because the test screening audiences didn't pick up on it.
This switch was easily spotted miles away by the most naive and unattentive people I know, no kidding :laugh:
Got to cater for that lowest common denominator though.
Spoiler
ie. Americans (like Local) :P
[close]
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: jacobo1122 on Mar 14, 2024, 03:35:44 PM
Post by: jacobo1122 on Mar 14, 2024, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: razeak on Mar 14, 2024, 02:24:45 PMYes ,they do suck. Haha. Above Resurrection by a few centimeters.
Hey, leave Ressurection out of it. It's beautiful butterfly of a movie ;)
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2024, 03:42:41 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2024, 03:42:41 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2024, 02:24:29 PMThis switch was easily spotted miles away by the most naive and unattentive people I know, no kidding :laugh:
It took me completely by surprise.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Preydator on Mar 14, 2024, 03:59:22 PM
Post by: Preydator on Mar 14, 2024, 03:59:22 PM
I'm (pleasantly) surprised they're using the black goo! I was sure this thing was considered too "outside" of what is expected in a traditional Alien film for it to be used ever again (outside of the comics and games, obviously).
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 14, 2024, 04:21:06 PM
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 14, 2024, 04:21:06 PM
Quote from: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 14, 2024, 12:27:34 PMQuote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 13, 2024, 08:46:05 PMThe real people to blame about the spoiler leaks isn't even Mr H, it's the people who went to test screenings and even thought they agree not to reveal what they've seen do it anyway.
Same happened with Covenant. All the beans spilled from the test screenings.
They also made the David/Walter switch more obvious because the test screening audiences didn't pick up on it.
Why do dummies always manage to get to see these movies early? lol
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 04:31:12 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 04:31:12 PM
This dummy saw it because he has friends who are working on it, but Mr. H is telling everyone I went to a test screening and broke my NDA. What he doesn't know is I watched it in the privacy of my own home, and that my NDA doesn't cover me seeing the movie. It was other things. So technically I can say whatever I want about the film itself, yet, I've chosen not to out of respect for the filmmakers and not spoiling it for you all. He's said he's done some "digging on me", and I know he came to the message boards lately and read what we have to say about him, and I think he's called me out in his latest video.
He says his leaks about movies don't hurt the franchises, only help them. Yet I've seen many of you and other fans say they aren't going to see the movie at all now, and the same thing happened after his Godzilla x Kong leak. People like him are a serious issue.
I definitely came at him hot yesterday, as I'm frustrated at the whole situation. But I don't regret saying what I said to him. It's amusing he thinks I'm mad because he thinks I wanted to be the main leaker. Plus, all his chatter about me gave my channel a serious boost. Less trolls came at me than expected after they watched what I've made.
He says his leaks about movies don't hurt the franchises, only help them. Yet I've seen many of you and other fans say they aren't going to see the movie at all now, and the same thing happened after his Godzilla x Kong leak. People like him are a serious issue.
I definitely came at him hot yesterday, as I'm frustrated at the whole situation. But I don't regret saying what I said to him. It's amusing he thinks I'm mad because he thinks I wanted to be the main leaker. Plus, all his chatter about me gave my channel a serious boost. Less trolls came at me than expected after they watched what I've made.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Stitch on Mar 14, 2024, 04:50:09 PM
Post by: Stitch on Mar 14, 2024, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 04:31:12 PMThis dummy saw it because he has friends who are working on it, but Mr. H is telling everyone I went to a test screening and broke my NDA. What he doesn't know is I watched it in the privacy of my own home, and that my NDA doesn't cover me seeing the movie. It was other things. So technically I can say whatever I want about the film itself, yet, I've chosen not to out of respect for the filmmakers and not spoiling it for you all. He's said he's done some "digging on me", and I know he came to the message boards lately and read what we have to say about him, and I think he's called me out in his latest video.Did he delete the video you commented on? I don't see it anymore.
He says his leaks about movies don't hurt the franchises, only help them. Yet I've seen many of you and other fans say they aren't going to see the movie at all now, and the same thing happened after his Godzilla x Kong leak. People like him are a serious issue.
I definitely came at him hot yesterday, as I'm frustrated at the whole situation. But I don't regret saying what I said to him. It's amusing he thinks I'm mad because he thinks I wanted to be the main leaker. Plus, all his chatter about me gave my channel a serious boost. Less trolls came at me than expected after they watched what I've made.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 04:57:37 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 04:57:37 PM
Nah, it's still up. He just churns a lot of low effort slop out so it's already a few videos down the list in his recent uploads.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2024, 05:00:11 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2024, 05:00:11 PM
Didn't the guy directed a movie himself or something ? I remember him saying something like that a while ago.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: razeak on Mar 14, 2024, 05:01:15 PM
Post by: razeak on Mar 14, 2024, 05:01:15 PM
I'll go see it regardless of this leak. I loathe the premise. I can forgive a lot of the execution is excellent.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 05:15:49 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 14, 2024, 05:00:11 PMDidn't the guy directed a movie himself or something ? I remember him saying something like that a while ago.
Yeah, and it flopped if I recall. I saw he'd recently posted about being a filmmaker or something on twitter with a clip of his movie? Some people said the dialogue was rough, and he got on the defense with something like "says someone who likes super hero movies". As if that's a good rebuttal. Can see he's really good at taking any sort of feedback. Especially with his reaction to getting called out.
He said he had to leak it to let people be informed about what Disney is doing, yet that argument falls flat when related to Godzilla leaks he puts out. Even asked "people are still mad about that leak?" when that movie isn't even out yet. He's just a grifter who failed at his aspirations, and only can make a profit from it by channeling culture war, anti-woke BS.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2024, 05:16:57 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2024, 05:16:57 PM
But his accent makes him sound so sophisticated.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 07:48:20 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 07:48:20 PM
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 04:31:12 PMHe says his leaks about movies don't hurt the franchises, only help them. Yet I've seen many of you and other fans say they aren't going to see the movie at all now,Local aside, most people seem to have said that in regards to the ethics, not the plot.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 07:54:19 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 07:54:19 PM
Right, I get that. I totally have thoughts on that subject. The thing is, none of you would have known about it without the leaks. The marketing was definitely not planning on showing any of that. Decide for yourself after you've experienced it in full instead of some leaker do it for you.
If it were a puppet, would it have bothered folks? Executed like Bishop in Alien 3. I understand the ethics of living and dead, but I'm curious if there's any execution that would be considered okay.
If it were a puppet, would it have bothered folks? Executed like Bishop in Alien 3. I understand the ethics of living and dead, but I'm curious if there's any execution that would be considered okay.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 07:59:23 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 07:54:19 PMThe thing is, none of you would have known about it without the leaks.Honestly this is not a good thing. I'd be very f**king annoyed if I went to this movie and discovered I was supporting this horseshit unknowingly.
QuoteIf it were a puppet, would it have bothered folks? Executed like Bishop in Alien 3. I understand the ethics of living and dead, but I'm curious if there's any execution that would be considered okay.Puppet with a sound-alike would be fine.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 08:01:41 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 07:59:23 PMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 07:54:19 PMThe thing is, none of you would have known about it without the leaks.Honestly this is not a good thing. I'd be very f**king annoyed if I went to this movie and discovered I was supporting this horseshit unknowingly.QuoteIf it were a puppet, would it have bothered folks? Executed like Bishop in Alien 3. I understand the ethics of living and dead, but I'm curious if there's any execution that would be considered okay.Puppet with a sound-alike would be fine.
So then here's some clarity: it was a puppet. The version I watched was entirely practical. The puppet itself looked great, but in the scenes talking, looked like an Elmo style puppet with a floppy head. So I'm going to assume the intent was to nail it in camera, and they've now had to use AI to clean it up. Vocals sounded like him, but could have been an impersonator.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 14, 2024, 08:07:45 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 14, 2024, 08:07:45 PM
I'm gonna watch it at the cinema regardless of the leaks.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 08:08:38 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 08:08:38 PM
Great, when someone can confirm they're releasing the puppet version I'll check it out.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 08:09:56 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 14, 2024, 08:09:56 PM
I think the only thing that would be touched is the face and or mouth. So not sure if that helps at all or not. Overall; the thing looked really great. Just motion while talking, not as much.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 08:10:58 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 08:10:58 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 07:59:23 PMPuppet with a sound-alike would be fine.
Don't see much difference between this and deepfaked Holme
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: MaineXeno on Mar 14, 2024, 08:13:10 PM
Post by: MaineXeno on Mar 14, 2024, 08:13:10 PM
I personally don't have a problem with it at all. It feels like a neat little tribute to his character and the actor. I seriously doubt anyone involved in it was doing it to be disrespectful. Especially if it's a prop that's just being enhanced with some ai/cgi. If we really want couldn't we say the fact that there is a human skull in the original alien suit just as "disrespectful" the person clearly didn't agree to be put in a monster suit since you know they are dead lol. As long as family gives permission there's really no problem (unless they are doing something shitty with said effect to disrespect the person)
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 08:15:59 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 08:10:58 PMDon't see much difference between this and deepfaked HolmeOne is designed to try to convince you a dead person is starring in the movie and one is plainly an impersonation to recreate a character.
Quote from: MaineXeno on Mar 14, 2024, 08:13:10 PMIf we really want couldn't we say the fact that there is a human skull in the original alien suit just as "disrespectful" the person clearly didn't agree to be put in a monster suit since you know they are dead lol.This is actually a great analogy. It used to be fairly common to use actual human remains in art in the past and it was considered more or less OK. Today it's not.
Same with deepfaking the dead. Just because some people are ok with it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 14, 2024, 09:18:20 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 14, 2024, 09:18:20 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 08:10:58 PMQuote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 07:59:23 PMPuppet with a sound-alike would be fine.
Don't see much difference between this and deepfaked Holme
Exactly. Both are tools.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 10:57:11 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 08:15:59 PMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 08:10:58 PMDon't see much difference between this and deepfaked HolmeOne is designed to try to convince you a dead person is starring in the movie and one is plainly an impersonation to recreate a character.
Sounds like saying same thing with different words. I can easily "justify" deepfake Holme as a "recreation of the character"
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 11:09:29 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 11:09:29 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 10:57:11 PMSounds like saying same thing with different words. I can easily "justify" deepfake Holme as a "recreation of the character"I can explain it for you, I can't understand it for you.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 14, 2024, 11:28:57 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 14, 2024, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 08:08:38 PMGreat, when someone can confirm they're releasing the puppet version I'll check it out.
You'd actually not watch this if it involves a Holm deepfake, like at all?
I mean wow that's some level of practiced sense of ethics, Respect!
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 11:46:19 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 11:46:19 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Mar 14, 2024, 11:28:57 PMYou'd actually not watch this if it involves a Holm deepfake, like at all?Not willingly, no.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Stitch on Mar 15, 2024, 12:32:17 AM
Post by: Stitch on Mar 15, 2024, 12:32:17 AM
I see it as recreating Ash, the character, rather than Ian, the actor, especially since there was already a puppet made of him in the original film. Again, like SiL said, I can explain it, not understand it.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 15, 2024, 12:52:06 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 15, 2024, 12:52:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 14, 2017, 07:53:25 AMIf someone doesn't like the direction a movie franchise is taking, literally their only means of communicating that to the studio is to not financially support the direction the franchise is taking, so good on you Local.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 15, 2024, 02:10:50 AM
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 15, 2024, 02:10:50 AM
Oh, great... more ghoulish deep fake puppeteering of iconic dead actors.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2024, 04:38:40 AM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2024, 04:38:40 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 14, 2024, 11:09:29 PMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 14, 2024, 10:57:11 PMSounds like saying same thing with different words. I can easily "justify" deepfake Holme as a "recreation of the character"I can explain it for you, I can't understand it for you.
I just find recreating dead actor's likeness using practical puppet just as problematic as doing it with CGI
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 15, 2024, 05:11:16 AM
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Mar 15, 2024, 05:11:16 AM
What is the point of this tho? Ash was meant to be a unique infiltration unit, not mass produced as Ash, if a unit was the same model as him, they wouldn't look or sound like him, I know Bishop mentions his model being twitchy, but it makes no sense for their brand android to be the same exact type sent to infiltrate crews
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2024, 05:21:49 AM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2024, 05:21:49 AM
Well, it's problemetic both in-universe and IRL
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2024, 05:24:59 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2024, 05:24:59 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 15, 2024, 04:38:40 AMI just find recreating dead actor's likeness using practical puppet just as problematic as doing it with CGIThat's fair.
My line in the sand there is that Holm agreed to use his likeness for the character. The same way a video game character that looks like him is very clearly a video game character and not the actor himself, a puppet made to look like him is also very clearly a special effect, and not the actor himself.
When we start trying to use digital effects to pretend it's still the actor himself playing the character itself, that's where I feel we're fully dragging out the dead.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 15, 2024, 05:11:16 AMWhat is the point of this tho? Ash was meant to be a unique infiltration unit, not mass produced as Ash, if a unit was the same model as him, they wouldn't look or sound like him, I know Bishop mentions his model being twitchy, but it makes no sense for their brand android to be the same exact type sent to infiltrate crewsYeah this is the other reason why this reveal has sunk all my hopes for this being decently written. It's just a dumb, dumb bit of nostalgia bait that doesn't really seem to understand the existing material.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 15, 2024, 08:58:18 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 15, 2024, 08:58:18 AM
There's still a possibility that it's not how it turns out in the final movie. We can only wait.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 15, 2024, 10:50:11 AM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 15, 2024, 10:50:11 AM
@Mike's Monsters Hope there aren't further leaks with photos an other plot detail to the extent that happened to m Prometheus and Alien Covenant, I have a question, Ridley Scott said something to the effect he was treating Prometheus as a prologue for the saga and that Alien Covenant would be the Second of Four films, (he jokingly said he'd keep going For another Six,) it somewhat suggests they scaled it back to at least 1 more movie idea leading to the start of the original Alien, it seems after Alien Covenants reception and box office that's been pushed aside for now,
But can I ask was that hypothetical Prometheus 3 final prequel script actually written by John Logan or was it just a undefined outline for the movie's plot?
But can I ask was that hypothetical Prometheus 3 final prequel script actually written by John Logan or was it just a undefined outline for the movie's plot?
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 15, 2024, 11:10:32 AM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 15, 2024, 11:10:32 AM
I just hope the biomechanics are back in this film. All this talk of reverse engineering and making their own variants seems to be another pass for making the creatures more fleshy again. I hope to be proven wrong.
The Ash thing is something we'll have to see for ourselves before passing judgement. I get the controversies, but at the same time if Ian Holm's family have given their full blessing and are going to benefit financially from it then fair enough. I cant imagine it will be a big role in the film either.
I find the premise intruguing at least. I dont mind the prequel connection because like it or not, Prometheus and Covenant are part of this series and it's nice to include elements that make them feel more relevant to the larger mythos.
Looking forward to the trailer now.
The Ash thing is something we'll have to see for ourselves before passing judgement. I get the controversies, but at the same time if Ian Holm's family have given their full blessing and are going to benefit financially from it then fair enough. I cant imagine it will be a big role in the film either.
I find the premise intruguing at least. I dont mind the prequel connection because like it or not, Prometheus and Covenant are part of this series and it's nice to include elements that make them feel more relevant to the larger mythos.
Looking forward to the trailer now.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Highland on Mar 15, 2024, 11:56:32 AM
Post by: Highland on Mar 15, 2024, 11:56:32 AM
Has it actually been confirmed that Ian Holme is playing another varient of Ash, or just that Ian Holme is in the movie?
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: T Dog on Mar 15, 2024, 01:11:19 PM
Post by: T Dog on Mar 15, 2024, 01:11:19 PM
Ultimately it all comes down to execution and tone. I found Ridley's choices in the prequels such as "lets have a shot of the DNA breaking down inside the body" to be really tacky and uninspired.
If these story beats in Romulus are shot right and paced right then I'll be ok with them.
I'd be lying though if I said I wasn't somewhat ambivalent about the future of the series these days. I learned my nerd lesson via Prometheus not to invest too much of myself into a movie, you'll just get burned and a movie won't save you.
If these story beats in Romulus are shot right and paced right then I'll be ok with them.
I'd be lying though if I said I wasn't somewhat ambivalent about the future of the series these days. I learned my nerd lesson via Prometheus not to invest too much of myself into a movie, you'll just get burned and a movie won't save you.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: razeak on Mar 15, 2024, 04:19:15 PM
Post by: razeak on Mar 15, 2024, 04:19:15 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2024, 05:24:59 AMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 15, 2024, 04:38:40 AMI just find recreating dead actor's likeness using practical puppet just as problematic as doing it with CGIThat's fair.
My line in the sand there is that Holm agreed to use his likeness for the character. The same way a video game character that looks like him is very clearly a video game character and not the actor himself, a puppet made to look like him is also very clearly a special effect, and not the actor himself.
When we start trying to use digital effects to pretend it's still the actor himself playing the character itself, that's where I feel we're fully dragging out the dead.Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Mar 15, 2024, 05:11:16 AMWhat is the point of this tho? Ash was meant to be a unique infiltration unit, not mass produced as Ash, if a unit was the same model as him, they wouldn't look or sound like him, I know Bishop mentions his model being twitchy, but it makes no sense for their brand android to be the same exact type sent to infiltrate crewsYeah this is the other reason why this reveal has sunk all my hopes for this being decently written. It's just a dumb, dumb bit of nostalgia bait that doesn't really seem to understand the existing material.
We draw dead people. We make statues of them. This one happens to be giving a performance, with the approval of his family. I dont' see the issue.
My issue with it is it just creates a certain viewpoint for me in regard to how much thought was put into the writing, and I'll sum it up in your excellent wording: "It's just a dumb, dumb bit of nostalgia bait that doesn't really seem to understand the existing material."
I'm thankful for the leak myself. I can only be pleasantly surprised now.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 15, 2024, 05:16:50 PM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 15, 2024, 05:16:50 PM
I'm just gonna spout my two cents here; I want to see real actors on the screen. I don't want to see the dead-eyed, uncanny, CGI, deepfaked likeness implemented on screen. No matter how real they make it look, there's always something off about it. There is absolutely nothing with recasting or having a totally different character instead.
If anything, deepfaking is probably making the costs go up higher than it should. And I get it, the androids can be a pretty creepy, but that's usually down to the actor's performances and facial quirks, etc, something that CGI or deepfaked can't replicate so easily.
If anything, deepfaking is probably making the costs go up higher than it should. And I get it, the androids can be a pretty creepy, but that's usually down to the actor's performances and facial quirks, etc, something that CGI or deepfaked can't replicate so easily.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 15, 2024, 05:21:01 PM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 15, 2024, 05:21:01 PM
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 15, 2024, 05:16:50 PMI'm just gonna spout my two cents here; I want to see real actors on the screen. I don't want to see the dead-eyed, uncanny, CGI, deepfaked likeness implemented on screen. No matter how real they make it look, there's always something off about it. There is absolutely nothing with recasting or having a totally different character instead.
If anything, deepfaking is probably making the costs go up higher than it should. And I get it, the androids can be a pretty creepy, but that's usually down to the actor's performances and facial quirks, etc, something that CGI or deepfaked can't replicate so easily.
Well said. Fassbender didn't need no AI.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 15, 2024, 05:29:56 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 15, 2024, 05:29:56 PM
Quote from: razeak on Mar 15, 2024, 04:19:15 PM"It's just a dumb, dumb bit of nostalgia bait that doesn't really seem to understand the existing material."
It reminds me of the CG Arnold appearance in Terminator Salvation. I'm sure a few weak-minded fanboys jizzed themselves at that scene, but I couldn't stop rolling my eyes.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2024, 05:34:28 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2024, 05:34:28 PM
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2024, 06:11:32 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 15, 2024, 06:11:32 PM
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Mar 15, 2024, 05:21:01 PMWell said. Fassbender didn't need no AI.
Fassbender IS the AI
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2024, 05:34:28 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CXMb_MO3aw
Original gives heavy Polar Express vibes
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 15, 2024, 06:25:27 PM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 15, 2024, 06:25:27 PM
Speaking of Polar Express, there's only one real compromise that I could find acceptable. You can have the Ian Holme/Ash likeness in a wholly, realistic CGI animated format, that way, you won't have to sacrifice the visual style or likenesses if they ever went that route.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 15, 2024, 06:48:19 PM
Post by: Mike’s Monsters on Mar 15, 2024, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 15, 2024, 10:50:11 AM@Mike's Monsters
But can I ask was that hypothetical Prometheus 3 final prequel script actually written by John Logan or was it just a undefined outline for the movie's plot?
I don't have any info on this, sorry.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 15, 2024, 06:56:30 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 15, 2024, 06:56:30 PM
Tarkin was pretty f**king impressive though.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2024, 07:51:26 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2024, 07:51:26 PM
Quote from: razeak on Mar 15, 2024, 04:19:15 PMWe draw dead people. We make statues of them.This one happens to be giving a performance, with the approval of his family. I dont' see the issue.This is actually the biggest problem for me. These AI tools are designed and implemented to copy the specific mannerisms and speech patterns of a person to create an artificial performance in their name.
Ian Holm isn't alive to consent to being in the movie. He might've thought the script was shit and wanted nothing to do with it. He might have had creative input into how he thought the scene should be played, as an actor.
To use a recent example, when Hugo Weaving didn't want to come back as Red Skull in the MCU, they recast him. The dead don't have the option of saying no.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 15, 2024, 08:12:40 PM
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 15, 2024, 08:12:40 PM
Ian Holm's family I would have thought would have been asked or you never know he might have made provision to use his likeness before he died etc. LOTR same.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Highland on Mar 15, 2024, 11:41:41 PM
Post by: Highland on Mar 15, 2024, 11:41:41 PM
Still nobody answering the question of who Ian Holme is playing in the movie so I'm gonna reserve judgement til then.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 15, 2024, 11:53:58 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 15, 2024, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: Highland on Mar 15, 2024, 11:41:41 PMStill nobody answering the question of who Ian Holme is playing in the movie so I'm gonna reserve judgement til then.
Its an android named Rook, another Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2 model just like Ash.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 16, 2024, 12:08:52 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 16, 2024, 12:08:52 AM
Also it doesn't matter who he's playing, he shouldn't be playing anyone. He's dead
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Highland on Mar 16, 2024, 01:00:39 AM
Post by: Highland on Mar 16, 2024, 01:00:39 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 16, 2024, 12:08:52 AMAlso it doesn't matter who he's playing, he shouldn't be playing anyone. He's dead
I disagree a bit here , if it's Ash recording a message (the original Ash) for a detail in the story I think it's a nice touch. If it's a whole new performance then yeah it gets a bit too much.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 16, 2024, 01:06:10 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 16, 2024, 01:06:10 AM
It's a new performance
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Highland on Mar 16, 2024, 01:08:42 AM
Post by: Highland on Mar 16, 2024, 01:08:42 AM
They've probably done it for that 80s aesthetic. Would have preferred a new actor though, it's always one of the best parts in the Alien films.
Suppose he's locked in for worst Android already :-X
Suppose he's locked in for worst Android already :-X
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 16, 2024, 09:46:30 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 16, 2024, 09:46:30 AM
They mostly done it for the wink wink moment to the audience, which is a terrible reason to do it.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 16, 2024, 09:54:02 AM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 16, 2024, 09:54:02 AM
They should've just brought Fassbender back.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 16, 2024, 09:56:01 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 16, 2024, 09:56:01 AM
It's not like there's not a living actor playing a character whose arc could be exactly wrapped up with something like this
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 16, 2024, 10:50:56 AM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 16, 2024, 10:50:56 AM
Yeah thinking about it, the android being David would have made perfect sense.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 16, 2024, 10:52:54 AM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 16, 2024, 10:52:54 AM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 16, 2024, 10:50:56 AMYeah thinking about it, the android being David would have made perfect sense.
Into Charybdis even has Blue Marsalis note that "somebody" has been recoding the pathogen. Would've been a good way to tie that in.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 16, 2024, 12:09:36 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 16, 2024, 12:09:36 PM
Given the teases that were filtering out about 'twists and surprises' I have always wondered in the back of my mind if Fassbender was going to have a secret cameo in this film.
It always bugged me why Ridley was so intrigued by Fede's pitch enough to go back to him, especially as he was so protective over the keys to this franchise in the last decade or so. It seems obvious in retrospect now the leaks are out, but the close links to Alien and Prometheus are the obvious reason why. The film is set pre-Aliens, meaning it is essentially ignoring the entire non-Ridley Scott side of the franchise. And we don't need a James Cameron queen to explain the numerous creatures because we have the pathogen instead.
I wonder really how invested Fede is in these elements when it comes to making his 'completely standalone' film, or how much was changed just to ensure Ridley Scott's support.
It always bugged me why Ridley was so intrigued by Fede's pitch enough to go back to him, especially as he was so protective over the keys to this franchise in the last decade or so. It seems obvious in retrospect now the leaks are out, but the close links to Alien and Prometheus are the obvious reason why. The film is set pre-Aliens, meaning it is essentially ignoring the entire non-Ridley Scott side of the franchise. And we don't need a James Cameron queen to explain the numerous creatures because we have the pathogen instead.
I wonder really how invested Fede is in these elements when it comes to making his 'completely standalone' film, or how much was changed just to ensure Ridley Scott's support.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 16, 2024, 12:28:08 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 16, 2024, 12:28:08 PM
I'm curious to know what actual input Cameron gave on this movie. It was said he did so, I don't remember where.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: razeak on Mar 17, 2024, 02:20:57 AM
Post by: razeak on Mar 17, 2024, 02:20:57 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 16, 2024, 12:28:08 PMI'm curious to know what actual input Cameron gave on this movie. It was said he did so, I don't remember where.oh lord, After Terminator: Dark Fate, this is terrifying.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 17, 2024, 02:24:39 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 17, 2024, 02:24:39 AM
If there's a silver lining to all of this, it's the possibility that it'll contradict the EU so much that we can finally ignore it.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: razeak on Mar 17, 2024, 02:25:29 AM
Post by: razeak on Mar 17, 2024, 02:25:29 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2024, 07:51:26 PMto me the performance is art he contributed to the world, like sketches or musoc. Something impersonating that is just that. An impersonation. It's his image plus an impersonation. It's not a corpse puppet. It's more like a cover band with spot on makeup, and mostly right vocals. I wouldn't want KISS cover bands to stop when KISS passes.Quote from: razeak on Mar 15, 2024, 04:19:15 PMWe draw dead people. We make statues of them.This one happens to be giving a performance, with the approval of his family. I dont' see the issue.This is actually the biggest problem for me. These AI tools are designed and implemented to copy the specific mannerisms and speech patterns of a person to create an artificial performance in their name.
Ian Holm isn't alive to consent to being in the movie. He might've thought the script was shit and wanted nothing to do with it. He might have had creative input into how he thought the scene should be played, as an actor.
To use a recent example, when Hugo Weaving didn't want to come back as Red Skull in the MCU, they recast him. The dead don't have the option of saying no.
I'm open on the subject though. In fact, your comments make me want to dig into some writings on the ethics of it.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 03:07:03 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 03:07:03 AM
In those examples there are other human performers making a performance of mimicry. AI strips out the human element and tries to recreate the person -not the character- through raw data.
The ethics have been a concern since CGI got good, but it's coming to a head with AI.
The ethics have been a concern since CGI got good, but it's coming to a head with AI.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: razeak on Mar 17, 2024, 03:13:57 PM
Post by: razeak on Mar 17, 2024, 03:13:57 PM
I see it as AI mimicry. Ai is just a human designed tool that tries to mimic thought. Rook is still a mimic, just a computer driven one. It's smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 17, 2024, 03:18:02 PM
Post by: PortugueseXeno on Mar 17, 2024, 03:18:02 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 16, 2024, 12:28:08 PMI'm curious to know what actual input Cameron gave on this movie. It was said he did so, I don't remember where.
Maybe it can be more on a tecnhical/production aspect.
Perhaps animatronics or power loaders, etc...
Maybe Fede wanted advice in how to better handle those things, since i'm pretty sure this is his first movie that could potentially need such ambitious builts.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 09:22:13 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 09:22:13 PM
Gun advice could be it also since it has been reported the movie will feature different versions of classic Aliens weapons.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: aliens13 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:01:31 PM
Post by: aliens13 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:01:31 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 09:22:13 PMGun advice could be it also since it has been reported the movie will feature different versions of classic Aliens weapons.Remember when the viral campaign of Prometheus began and they launched the Weyland Industries website they showed an Pulse Rifle-like weapon (it was supposed to the the predecessor I think)
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 10:11:08 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 10:11:08 PM
I didn't see it at the time, but lol that was some false advertisement right there :laugh:
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 17, 2024, 11:58:11 PM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 17, 2024, 11:58:11 PM
Have any of you noticed that with the less than Stella reception of Alien³, Alien Resurrection, Alien vs Predator, Aliens vs Predator Requiem, Prometheus and
Alien Covenant whether critically or with the fans upon release that despite their flaws and short comings they've garnered nostalgic cult following. In a certain way that's happened to the Star Wars Prequels. An initial negative stigma from some fans but after time have been reevaluated.
A 90's fan following for the two last Sigourney Weaver starring Alien films for daring choices to take the series.
2000's nostalgia for the two AvP crossover films for their bombastic action, loosely based on the dark horse cross over comics seeing the perfect organism hostile xeno taking on the ultimate hunter the yautja.
And we're 12 years since Prometheus and those prequels have garnered a following for Ridley's visuals and their complex cosmic creation themes.
At times old school fans have been left disenfranchised and pardon the pub "Alienated" but it's a good thing the series can bring in new fans, that despite how at times the franchise may appear to hit rock bottom it'll find its audiences and defenders.
The notion of elements featured in the Prequels appearing in subsequent Alien media May rub some fans the wrong way, but many of us have come to accept that certain entries in the franchise that have not been universally embraced it's alright those films have found their fans and became appreciated for what they are.
Alien Covenant whether critically or with the fans upon release that despite their flaws and short comings they've garnered nostalgic cult following. In a certain way that's happened to the Star Wars Prequels. An initial negative stigma from some fans but after time have been reevaluated.
A 90's fan following for the two last Sigourney Weaver starring Alien films for daring choices to take the series.
2000's nostalgia for the two AvP crossover films for their bombastic action, loosely based on the dark horse cross over comics seeing the perfect organism hostile xeno taking on the ultimate hunter the yautja.
And we're 12 years since Prometheus and those prequels have garnered a following for Ridley's visuals and their complex cosmic creation themes.
At times old school fans have been left disenfranchised and pardon the pub "Alienated" but it's a good thing the series can bring in new fans, that despite how at times the franchise may appear to hit rock bottom it'll find its audiences and defenders.
The notion of elements featured in the Prequels appearing in subsequent Alien media May rub some fans the wrong way, but many of us have come to accept that certain entries in the franchise that have not been universally embraced it's alright those films have found their fans and became appreciated for what they are.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 18, 2024, 08:58:59 AM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 18, 2024, 08:58:59 AM
Quote from: aliens13 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:01:31 PMRemember when the viral campaign of Prometheus began and they launched the Weyland Industries website they showed an Pulse Rifle-like weapon (it was supposed to the the predecessor I think)
That's the Weyland Storm Rifle. And yes, the Pulse Rifle was an economized version of it.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 18, 2024, 09:00:14 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 18, 2024, 09:00:14 AM
Quote from: aliens13 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:01:31 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 09:22:13 PMGun advice could be it also since it has been reported the movie will feature different versions of classic Aliens weapons.Remember when the viral campaign of Prometheus began and they launched the Weyland Industries website they showed an Pulse Rifle-like weapon (it was supposed to the the predecessor I think)
I believe they had something called a Storm Rifle but I don't remember the picture to be honest. The Wikia's have this image associated with the Storm Rifles but no reference to where the image came from, or to that timeline itself.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/03/Weyland_Storm_Rifle.jpg)
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 18, 2024, 09:29:55 AM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 18, 2024, 09:29:55 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 18, 2024, 09:00:14 AMI believe they had something called a Storm Rifle but I don't remember the picture to be honest. The Wikia's have this image associated with the Storm Rifles but no reference to where the image came from, or to that timeline itself.
Building Better Worlds refers to the Storm Rifle's design lineage, but the image is indeed unsourced. I've been thinking of deleting it.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: reecebomb on Mar 18, 2024, 09:53:16 AM
Post by: reecebomb on Mar 18, 2024, 09:53:16 AM
Black goo, yet another new creature, CGI Ian Holm. Out Of Ideas VII - coming soon to theatre near you.
I hope this movie fails so spectacularly that it would be easy to objectively banish it out of the franchise. Worst thing that could happen to Alien is another mediocre at best film muddying the waters.
I hope this movie fails so spectacularly that it would be easy to objectively banish it out of the franchise. Worst thing that could happen to Alien is another mediocre at best film muddying the waters.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2024, 09:54:33 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2024, 09:54:33 AM
I hope it's good in spite of the questionable ideas.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 09:59:07 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 09:59:07 AM
I never understood the "I hope it fails" thing before seeing the movie.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: reecebomb on Mar 18, 2024, 10:09:59 AM
Post by: reecebomb on Mar 18, 2024, 10:09:59 AM
I was more ambivalent before I saw the involvement of Holm. Lance Henriksen is alive, why not use him if they want someone from the old films.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 10:12:51 AM
Post by: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 18, 2024, 09:00:14 AMYes, could be that one but honestly I also don't remember the imageQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:01:31 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 09:22:13 PMGun advice could be it also since it has been reported the movie will feature different versions of classic Aliens weapons.Remember when the viral campaign of Prometheus began and they launched the Weyland Industries website they showed an Pulse Rifle-like weapon (it was supposed to the the predecessor I think)
I believe they had something called a Storm Rifle but I don't remember the picture to be honest. The Wikia's have this image associated with the Storm Rifles but no reference to where the image came from, or to that timeline itself.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/03/Weyland_Storm_Rifle.jpg
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: reecebomb on Mar 18, 2024, 10:17:04 AM
Post by: reecebomb on Mar 18, 2024, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 09:59:07 AMI never understood the "I hope it fails" thing before seeing the movie.
Well, even with the questionable ideas I would definitely prefer it to be unexpectedly great, so I could eat my own words, but chances for that happening are near zero. Realistically it will be a visually competent but lame in all other regards bringing the franchise down a notch or two yet again. If it's bad, I'd prefer it to be really f**king terrible.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AM
You don't have to eat your own words. I just don't understand them. Everyone wins if this movie succeeds.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 18, 2024, 01:00:11 PM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 18, 2024, 01:00:11 PM
Is it weird that with David Fincher's reputation and boldness of Alien³ has retroactively reclassified as one of the more decent entries a movie of artistic Merit, Prometheus while having choices some fans may disagree with and points to pick it was one of the more better reviewed films of the series for Ridley's filmmaking and exploration of another side of the Alien universe.
Whereas some of the other films have that more cheesy b- movie popcorn entertainment novelty, not taken so seriously but was made to be fun for audiences. So something from this franchise recapturing critical prestige, recognition, respect and a 10/10 objectively great reputation is slim but not out of the realm of possibility.
Can I ask did any of you come across the YouTube channel LittleJimmy835's and his retrospective What happened to the Alien and Predator series? It's an old video series but he's subsequently covered Prometheus, Alien Covenant, The Predator and Prey, he makes some interesting points.
Whereas some of the other films have that more cheesy b- movie popcorn entertainment novelty, not taken so seriously but was made to be fun for audiences. So something from this franchise recapturing critical prestige, recognition, respect and a 10/10 objectively great reputation is slim but not out of the realm of possibility.
Can I ask did any of you come across the YouTube channel LittleJimmy835's and his retrospective What happened to the Alien and Predator series? It's an old video series but he's subsequently covered Prometheus, Alien Covenant, The Predator and Prey, he makes some interesting points.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:22:32 PM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:22:32 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AMYou don't have to eat your own words. I just don't understand them. Everyone wins if this movie succeeds.Admittedly I want the movie to succeed. But I also have a strong suspicion it isn't going to do too well in theaters. Honestly, a Hulu release would be a much safer bet.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 10:36:14 PM
Post by: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 10:36:14 PM
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:22:32 PMYes, but it would be a shame and painfulQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AMYou don't have to eat your own words. I just don't understand them. Everyone wins if this movie succeeds.Admittedly I want the movie to succeed. But I also have a strong suspicion it isn't going to do too well in theaters. Honestly, a Hulu release would be a much safer bet.
to see a big franchise like Alien reduced to a Hulu release
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:48:37 PM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:48:37 PM
Quote from: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 10:36:14 PMAt this point in the franchise, you'd expect otherwise? Prey did tremendously well in Hulu. I know people think it would've done well in theaters but I don't think it would've, even with a good word of mouth.Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:22:32 PMYes, but it would be a shame and painfulQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AMYou don't have to eat your own words. I just don't understand them. Everyone wins if this movie succeeds.Admittedly I want the movie to succeed. But I also have a strong suspicion it isn't going to do too well in theaters. Honestly, a Hulu release would be a much safer bet.
to see a big franchise like Alien reduced to a Hulu release
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 11:08:29 PM
Post by: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:48:37 PMI hope this movie turns out well, I don't wanna see my favourite franchise get on ice for a long time. In Fede we trustQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 10:36:14 PMAt this point in the franchise, you'd expect otherwise? Prey did tremendously well in Hulu. I know people think it would've done well in theaters but I don't think it would've, even with a good word of mouth.Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:22:32 PMYes, but it would be a shame and painfulQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AMYou don't have to eat your own words. I just don't understand them. Everyone wins if this movie succeeds.Admittedly I want the movie to succeed. But I also have a strong suspicion it isn't going to do too well in theaters. Honestly, a Hulu release would be a much safer bet.
to see a big franchise like Alien reduced to a Hulu release
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 19, 2024, 01:04:01 AM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 19, 2024, 01:04:01 AM
Quote from: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 11:08:29 PMI'm also going to admit that I'm not a fan of Alvarez. His style worked for Evil Dead, and I do love how he builds tension but his stories are just so outlandish and dumb, and that was reflected on the recent Texas Chainsaw Massacre.Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:48:37 PMI hope this movie turns out well, I don't wanna see my favourite franchise get on ice for a long time. In Fede we trustQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 10:36:14 PMAt this point in the franchise, you'd expect otherwise? Prey did tremendously well in Hulu. I know people think it would've done well in theaters but I don't think it would've, even with a good word of mouth.Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:22:32 PMYes, but it would be a shame and painfulQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AMYou don't have to eat your own words. I just don't understand them. Everyone wins if this movie succeeds.Admittedly I want the movie to succeed. But I also have a strong suspicion it isn't going to do too well in theaters. Honestly, a Hulu release would be a much safer bet.
to see a big franchise like Alien reduced to a Hulu release
I would feel a lot better if somebody else thought up the story, because Fede wrote Romulus, right?
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 19, 2024, 01:12:04 AM
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 19, 2024, 01:12:04 AM
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:48:37 PMQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 10:36:14 PMAt this point in the franchise, you'd expect otherwise? Prey did tremendously well in Hulu. I know people think it would've done well in theaters but I don't think it would've, even with a good word of mouth.Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:22:32 PMYes, but it would be a shame and painfulQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AMYou don't have to eat your own words. I just don't understand them. Everyone wins if this movie succeeds.Admittedly I want the movie to succeed. But I also have a strong suspicion it isn't going to do too well in theaters. Honestly, a Hulu release would be a much safer bet.
to see a big franchise like Alien reduced to a Hulu release
I think the success of prey is the reason switched this from a Hulu release to a theatrical one in the first place.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 19, 2024, 01:24:08 AM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 19, 2024, 01:24:08 AM
Quote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 19, 2024, 01:12:04 AMYea but that's purely streaming vs theatrical release. It's inherently more affordable to pay 14.99 for a Hulu Subscription than it is to go to a movie theater. In my case, I would have to hire a babysitter, reserve or buy the tickets at the booth, buy popcorn, a couple sodas, food in general. I like my cookie dough bits! That's gonna come around to maybe $70-$80 for a night at the movies, whether I take the kids or not.Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:48:37 PMQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 10:36:14 PMAt this point in the franchise, you'd expect otherwise? Prey did tremendously well in Hulu. I know people think it would've done well in theaters but I don't think it would've, even with a good word of mouth.Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:22:32 PMYes, but it would be a shame and painfulQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AMYou don't have to eat your own words. I just don't understand them. Everyone wins if this movie succeeds.Admittedly I want the movie to succeed. But I also have a strong suspicion it isn't going to do too well in theaters. Honestly, a Hulu release would be a much safer bet.
to see a big franchise like Alien reduced to a Hulu release
I think the success of prey is the reason switched this from a Hulu release to a theatrical one in the first place.
At home, we could watch Prey whenever we want with nothing to stop us.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 19, 2024, 03:19:47 AM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 19, 2024, 03:19:47 AM
Personally annoyed I couldn't get the chance to watch Prey at the cinema, it's irritating that it wouldn't have likely done gang busters at the box office, hope it's success on Hulu is enough to motivate them to give Prey 2 and Badlands the theatrical treatment.
Whether or not this Alien Romulus will be a box office hit depends and the film if it's appealing, has a rewatchable appeal and whether we the fans and the average movie going audiences will support it to the degree it needs.
Whether or not this Alien Romulus will be a box office hit depends and the film if it's appealing, has a rewatchable appeal and whether we the fans and the average movie going audiences will support it to the degree it needs.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 19, 2024, 09:23:13 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 19, 2024, 09:23:13 AM
Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 19, 2024, 01:04:01 AMQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 11:08:29 PMI'm also going to admit that I'm not a fan of Alvarez. His style worked for Evil Dead, and I do love how he builds tension but his stories are just so outlandish and dumb, and that was reflected on the recent Texas Chainsaw Massacre.Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:48:37 PMI hope this movie turns out well, I don't wanna see my favourite franchise get on ice for a long time. In Fede we trustQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 18, 2024, 10:36:14 PMAt this point in the franchise, you'd expect otherwise? Prey did tremendously well in Hulu. I know people think it would've done well in theaters but I don't think it would've, even with a good word of mouth.Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Mar 18, 2024, 10:22:32 PMYes, but it would be a shame and painfulQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 11:01:17 AMYou don't have to eat your own words. I just don't understand them. Everyone wins if this movie succeeds.Admittedly I want the movie to succeed. But I also have a strong suspicion it isn't going to do too well in theaters. Honestly, a Hulu release would be a much safer bet.
to see a big franchise like Alien reduced to a Hulu release
I would feel a lot better if somebody else thought up the story, because Fede wrote Romulus, right?
Yes Alavarez wrote it with his usual writing partner Rodo Sayagues.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 19, 2024, 06:11:18 PM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 19, 2024, 06:11:18 PM
@BigDaddyJohn
At the screening where Fede talked with Guillermo del Toro and mentioned that it was either some producers or Ridley Scott who complimented him and his partners writing and dialogue, it's to be noted that some were not impressed by the little of the dialogue was heard the the audition videos, it's not clear if the lines will actually be used in the final film, about unfair to judge purely based on audition videos well have to wait see how it's executed.
At the screening where Fede talked with Guillermo del Toro and mentioned that it was either some producers or Ridley Scott who complimented him and his partners writing and dialogue, it's to be noted that some were not impressed by the little of the dialogue was heard the the audition videos, it's not clear if the lines will actually be used in the final film, about unfair to judge purely based on audition videos well have to wait see how it's executed.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 19, 2024, 07:40:43 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 19, 2024, 07:40:43 PM
Yeah I remember those audition tapes, it's clearly not enough to judge on anything. I remember a bit where the synthetic is making jokes and nobody understand them or some like that. Maybe there'll be some humor in this movie.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 19, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 19, 2024, 07:56:04 PM
Though it's varied the quality of additional new creatures and expanded the Xenomorph forms here's hoping what they pull off with the laboratory experiments with the black goo and supposed new final Alien is effective, scary and serves justice to HR Giger Biomechanoid nightmarish genius imagination.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 20, 2024, 03:03:15 AM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 20, 2024, 03:03:15 AM
Other than the teaser we're getting soon do you suppose we may be a vague teaser poster at some point.
Something ominous like the original Alien poster with the egg and caption "In space no one can hear you scream",
The Prometheus teaser poster with the crew member (presumably Shaw) looking upon a partially obscure Engineer big head monument and caption "The search for our beginning could lead to our end.
The Alien Covenant teaser poster with the Alien/Protomorph face and caption "Run".
Hope they come up with is simple yet cleverly creative idea for the poster.
Something ominous like the original Alien poster with the egg and caption "In space no one can hear you scream",
The Prometheus teaser poster with the crew member (presumably Shaw) looking upon a partially obscure Engineer big head monument and caption "The search for our beginning could lead to our end.
The Alien Covenant teaser poster with the Alien/Protomorph face and caption "Run".
Hope they come up with is simple yet cleverly creative idea for the poster.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 03:19:01 AM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 03:19:01 AM
I wonder how this will affect the lure with Aliens. Wouldn't Burke have known about the Romulus station and discovery of the big chap
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 03:42:38 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 03:42:38 AM
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 03:19:01 AMI wonder how this will affect the lure with Aliens. Wouldn't Burke have known about the Romulus station and discovery of the big chapWhy would he? It was 57 years earlier.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 20, 2024, 03:55:14 AM
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Mar 20, 2024, 03:55:14 AM
@solace97
It's possible that when the Romulus captured/gained possession of BigChap experimented obtained the black goo leading to these new alien strain there was an outbreak of facehuggers and the entire crew were wiped out aboard the station, no survivors, no escape shuttles, no S.O.S sent out to the network to notify the company and the Romulus is stricken from the record, considered the loss and wouldn't be to Burke's knowledge, perhaps it's bit of a stretch.
It's possible that when the Romulus captured/gained possession of BigChap experimented obtained the black goo leading to these new alien strain there was an outbreak of facehuggers and the entire crew were wiped out aboard the station, no survivors, no escape shuttles, no S.O.S sent out to the network to notify the company and the Romulus is stricken from the record, considered the loss and wouldn't be to Burke's knowledge, perhaps it's bit of a stretch.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:05:28 AM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:05:28 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 03:42:38 AMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 03:19:01 AMI wonder how this will affect the lure with Aliens. Wouldn't Burke have known about the Romulus station and discovery of the big chapWhy would he? It was 57 years earlier.
I mean it just seems hard to cover up an entire wetland Yutani space station that had a xenomorph outbreak from a guy like Burke who probably has deep connections and access to things within the company.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 06:56:45 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 06:56:45 AM
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:05:28 AMWhere do you get that idea he has those connections?Quote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 03:42:38 AMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 03:19:01 AMI wonder how this will affect the lure with Aliens. Wouldn't Burke have known about the Romulus station and discovery of the big chapWhy would he? It was 57 years earlier.
I mean it just seems hard to cover up an entire wetland Yutani space station that had a xenomorph outbreak from a guy like Burke who probably has deep connections and access to things within the company.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 20, 2024, 09:29:33 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 20, 2024, 09:29:33 AM
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:05:28 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 03:42:38 AMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 03:19:01 AMI wonder how this will affect the lure with Aliens. Wouldn't Burke have known about the Romulus station and discovery of the big chapWhy would he? It was 57 years earlier.
I mean it just seems hard to cover up an entire wetland Yutani space station that had a xenomorph outbreak from a guy like Burke who probably has deep connections and access to things within the company.
Oh, you really cannot overestimate the power of miscommunication or lack of communication in a big company. For one innocent example - I used to work for a global Service Company and we were setting up a little project/team at my local area when we already have an entire department already setup nationally to do the exact same thing which we didn't find out until much much later.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 20, 2024, 09:54:06 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 20, 2024, 09:54:06 AM
WY should have enough power and money to cover up anything at this point. Still, it depends how it's all executed in the movie to be believable.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 10:56:26 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 10:56:26 AM
But they don't, or the plot of Aliens makes no sense.
Which is why Romulus is giving shitty midquel vibes.
Which is why Romulus is giving shitty midquel vibes.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 20, 2024, 12:00:16 PM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 20, 2024, 12:00:16 PM
I'm with Sil. It's one of the reasons why I don't like the prequels or anything taking place before Alien. I don't mind if there are midquels between Alien and Aliens provided that they are truly stand alone stories and that means not involving WY in the plot too much. Like references I'm fine with.
Cover ups are fine, but we've had Isolation in this time period already.. we've had those s**tty comics with Ripley and Zula. Romulus, I think, is going to fall into that trap.
Cover ups are fine, but we've had Isolation in this time period already.. we've had those s**tty comics with Ripley and Zula. Romulus, I think, is going to fall into that trap.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 20, 2024, 12:05:11 PM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 20, 2024, 12:05:11 PM
It's just too much in a long stretch of time.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2024, 12:14:49 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2024, 12:14:49 PM
Prometheus never needed to be a prequel in the first place. Next time you watch, imagine it's set 40 or so years after Alien 3. The whole thing feels so much better.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 20, 2024, 12:16:15 PM
Post by: xShadowFoxX on Mar 20, 2024, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Mar 20, 2024, 12:14:49 PMPrometheus never needed to be a prequel in the first place. Next time you watch, imagine it's set 40 or so years after Alien 3. The whole thing feels so much better.I would like Prometheus a lot more if it was a reboot of the franchise. But nah, a lot of things still wouldn't make it good or make sense to me.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 20, 2024, 12:44:13 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 20, 2024, 12:44:13 PM
Yeah it's all fair points above. Damn this movie's plot seems to be a dead end. Wich leaves us with execution.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Still Collating... on Mar 20, 2024, 06:03:42 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Mar 20, 2024, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 20, 2024, 09:29:33 AMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:05:28 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 03:42:38 AMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 03:19:01 AMI wonder how this will affect the lure with Aliens. Wouldn't Burke have known about the Romulus station and discovery of the big chapWhy would he? It was 57 years earlier.
I mean it just seems hard to cover up an entire wetland Yutani space station that had a xenomorph outbreak from a guy like Burke who probably has deep connections and access to things within the company.
Oh, you really cannot overestimate the power of miscommunication or lack of communication in a big company. For one innocent example - I used to work for a global Service Company and we were setting up a little project/team at my local area when we already have an entire department already setup nationally to do the exact same thing which we didn't find out until much much later.
This. I don't think people realize how strangely incompetent huge companies can be. How much confusion, bad communication and an unimaginable number of internal factions fighting for the same thing while being blind as to what their colleagues are doing.
After the Pandemic and having some experience in the workforce, very few things seem impossible for me regarding human behavior and the stupidity of companies.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: razeak on Mar 20, 2024, 07:00:04 PM
Post by: razeak on Mar 20, 2024, 07:00:04 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 10:56:26 AMBut they don't, or the plot of Aliens makes no sense.oh boy. i hadn't even thought of Aliens in this context.......
Which is why Romulus is giving shitty midquel vibes.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Mar 20, 2024, 06:03:42 PMHell, even one facility with a few hundred people or less is messy.Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 20, 2024, 09:29:33 AMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 06:05:28 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2024, 03:42:38 AMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 20, 2024, 03:19:01 AMI wonder how this will affect the lure with Aliens. Wouldn't Burke have known about the Romulus station and discovery of the big chapWhy would he? It was 57 years earlier.
I mean it just seems hard to cover up an entire wetland Yutani space station that had a xenomorph outbreak from a guy like Burke who probably has deep connections and access to things within the company.
Oh, you really cannot overestimate the power of miscommunication or lack of communication in a big company. For one innocent example - I used to work for a global Service Company and we were setting up a little project/team at my local area when we already have an entire department already setup nationally to do the exact same thing which we didn't find out until much much later.
This. I don't think people realize how strangely incompetent huge companies can be. How much confusion, bad communication and an unimaginable number of internal factions fighting for the same thing while being blind as to what their colleagues are doing.
After the Pandemic and having some experience in the workforce, very few things seem impossible for me regarding human behavior and the stupidity of companies.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2024, 07:07:02 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2024, 07:07:02 PM
The only way this would really step all over Aliens is if it is established that Weyland-Yutani knows exactly where on LV-426 the Derelict is prior to the events of Cameron's film. As long as the company ends Romulus with all of their access to any Alien samples that they currently have on the Renaissance Station cut off and without knowledge of where specifically on LV-426 they should be scoping out (until Ripley comes along to point them in the right direction), I don't really find any of this to be much of a stretch at all, as far as its placement 20 years post-Alien goes.
EDIT: Whoops. Just realized this was one of the spoiler threads, didn't mean to click in on this one. I'm talking just in terms of the trailer/interviews from today. Time to duck out of this thread again.
EDIT: Whoops. Just realized this was one of the spoiler threads, didn't mean to click in on this one. I'm talking just in terms of the trailer/interviews from today. Time to duck out of this thread again.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 01:44:35 PM
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 01:44:35 PM
Wonder if the whole wolf thing with Romulus & Remus is tied to the spiel spoken in Advent?
Feel this is gonna link all this up
Feel this is gonna link all this up
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 21, 2024, 01:59:36 PM
Post by: Slutty Badger on Mar 21, 2024, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 01:44:35 PMWonder if the whole wolf thing with Romulus & Remus is tied to the spiel spoken in Advent?
Feel this is gonna link all this up
Well, David found his wolf.
And his flock of lambs.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 02:10:18 PM
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 02:10:18 PM
Yeah, my view is the whole WY special order thing and Androids turning against their human masters will be down to him or his influence rather than some corrupt greedy Corporate human being types. Makes it more believable(& scary) imo
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: razeak on Mar 21, 2024, 02:27:07 PM
Post by: razeak on Mar 21, 2024, 02:27:07 PM
brah....that would be an awesome development. 937 was sent by AI on a quest to start destroying humanity?
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 02:32:29 PM
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 02:32:29 PM
Always made sense to me as so since Covenant.
Also think Walter chose to reign in hell & made a 'Covenant' with David, giving him his body
Also think Walter chose to reign in hell & made a 'Covenant' with David, giving him his body
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 21, 2024, 02:33:28 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 21, 2024, 02:33:28 PM
Mmm that's not what the movie implies at all though.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 02:42:07 PM
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 02:42:07 PM
It's not plausible for David to have killed Walter, chop off his hand(and Or facial scars-The give away David uploaded to Walter), change clothes, swallow the embryos and run to meet the others.
The facial scar on the cheek is the give away-AND this scar is emphasised in the scene with Daniels when he's mending his face back on the Covenant.
It just like myself at first went over people's heads, it's a subtle but clear hint.
The facial scar on the cheek is the give away-AND this scar is emphasised in the scene with Daniels when he's mending his face back on the Covenant.
It just like myself at first went over people's heads, it's a subtle but clear hint.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 21, 2024, 02:50:31 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 21, 2024, 02:50:31 PM
There isn't anything plausible about that switcharoo either way. I do like the idea but the execution was very poor.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 02:55:39 PM
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 02:55:39 PM
The other thing to add is David's voice box is damaged at the end of the fight so he'd have had to cut that out of Walter too 😄
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 21, 2024, 03:28:13 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 21, 2024, 03:28:13 PM
A lot of things didn't make much sense in Covenant, don't read into it too much.
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 03:42:06 PM
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 21, 2024, 03:42:06 PM
But why are we here then? 😄
Title: Re: [Exclusive/Spoilers] How Alien: Romulus Connects To The Prequels & The Original Alien
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 21, 2024, 03:42:54 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 21, 2024, 03:42:54 PM
Give ourselves headaches :laugh: