Hey everyone, I'm curious about something..I know there are drones, warriors, praetorian and queen Aliens, I'm just curious because they have been compared to ants and bees which both have many female workers/warriors and a small number of males that do the do with the queen and then die and it's true both for bees and ants so I'm wondering do the Xenomorphs have a small number of males and large number of females like ants and bees?
Queens are born pregnant as shown in Alien Resurrection.
And there aren't any praetorians.
*In the films so far anyway.
It'll never happen on SM's watch.
I'm not sure he holds the same Godlike sway with the house of mouse.
My sway has never been Godlike.
I doubt we'll ever see a Praetorian in a film though.
Quote from: (Bad Blood) on Apr 05, 2021, 01:17:04 AM
Hey everyone, I'm curious about something..I know there are drones, warriors, praetorian and queen Aliens, I'm just curious because they have been compared to ants and bees which both have many female workers/warriors and a small number of males that do the do with the queen and then die and it's true both for bees and ants so I'm wondering do the Xenomorphs have a small number of males and large number of females like ants and bees?
Cameron took his lead from the insect kingdom - but Aliens don't follow it slavishly.
Quote from: SM on Apr 05, 2021, 04:00:30 AM
I doubt we'll ever see a Praetorian in a film though.
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Just need someone to bring to idea to Ridley. Dude might pull a few extra alien types depending on how random his mind feels that day.
:laugh:
Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 05, 2021, 01:01:33 PM
Just need someone to bring to idea to Ridley. Dude might pull a few extra alien types depending on how random his mind feels that day.
Praetorian? Brilliant.(https://in.bmscdn.com/iedb/artist/images/website/poster/large/ridley-scott-1878-13-09-2017-02-23-16.jpg)
There aren't any real males or sexual reproduction in Alien biology as far as we know, it's been implied multiple times that they are asexual.
That's not what asexual means, asexual means an absence of sex drive, Covenant implies the opposite, what you mean's hermaphroditic, both sexes at once.
That sex business is a bunch of hooey. A stork brings the eggs. Momma said so.
Quote from: SM on Apr 05, 2021, 04:00:30 AM
Cameron took his lead from the insect kingdom - but Aliens don't follow it slavishly.
This.
The Queen primarily exists for two reasons:
To thematically be a counter to Ripley's themes of motherhood.
To be a badass "final boss" for Ripley to fight at the end of the movie.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 06, 2021, 12:27:47 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 05, 2021, 04:00:30 AM
Cameron took his lead from the insect kingdom - but Aliens don't follow it slavishly.
This.
The Queen primarily exists for two reasons:
To thematically be a counter to Ripley's themes of motherhood.
To be a badass "final boss" for Ripley to fight at the end of the movie.
Without stretching for subtext, we can also say in "Alien" the Xenomorph primarily exists for one reason, to terrorize and kill the human protagonists one by one B-movie style. So I never understood reducing it this way as a way to dismiss it.
And from Giger to Ridley, the insect connection and inspiration was baked into Alien long before Aliens. And it was great to see where those eggs were coming from finally :o (before another option was widely revealed 17 or so years later).
Well I mean, I wasn't dismissing the Queen - my point was that she was included for more important reasons than to make the Aliens more ant-like.
Oh, my bad! I heard the "final boss" used as a criticism against the Queen before, so I just assumed it was a knock against it!
Praetorians can make great final bosses too.
Queen is definetly among greatest (if not The Greatest) movie final bosses
So good....
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Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 06, 2021, 04:05:25 PM
Praetorians can make great final bosses too.
One day.
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 06, 2021, 04:26:03 PM
Queen is definetly among greatest (if not The Greatest) movie final bosses
Yeah I always thought they were too easy to beat in AVP2 in comparison.
That's why you fight her with just the combat knife.
Or play Projam lol
Arguably, human beings, or really any host organism, are the eggs that the hive and all its constituent elements are the elaborate fertilization delivery system for. The Queen, the ovomorph, and the facehugger are all just nested layers for their central packet of genetic material. Once that material enters the host organism, our bodies provide it with additional genetic material and food to nurture the new resultant organism and next generation in the line is born.
Conversely, you could just say that the Hive reproduces "in the normal way".
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 07, 2021, 12:05:17 AM
That's why you fight her with just the combat knife.
True, but you regain better equipment quickly though. And you are in the hive obviously, surely the fight could've been more harsh.
Prince's fight was even easier with his equipment.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 06, 2021, 10:27:02 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 06, 2021, 04:26:03 PM
Queen is definetly among greatest (if not The Greatest) movie final bosses
Yeah I always thought they were too easy to beat in AVP2 in comparison.
Honestly, that's why I liked AvP Classic's boss fight with her. Sure, it was just Aliens' climax, to be do it in the game was fun. I appreciated it being something that was less pew-pew. It's why I at least respect ACM for trying something different on that front.
ACM basically parroted every boss fight of that era though.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 07, 2021, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 06, 2021, 10:27:02 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 06, 2021, 04:26:03 PM
Queen is definetly among greatest (if not The Greatest) movie final bosses
Yeah I always thought they were too easy to beat in AVP2 in comparison.
Honestly, that's why I liked AvP Classic's boss fight with her. Sure, it was just Aliens' climax, to be do it in the game was fun. I appreciated it being something that was less pew-pew. It's why I at least respect ACM for trying something different on that front.
Actually I never finished the first AVP... I know it's a shame...
It's also difficult as all hell.
Theres no males or alien kings, thank heavens! But to the disapointment of many furry fans who wish there are xD
Queen aliens dont need mating to start eggproduction, when they reach adulthood, they automaticly starts a colony and starts the egglaying and the rest of the colony is drones/warriors who work together with the queen to keep their hive working. In short.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 07, 2021, 09:21:20 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 07, 2021, 12:05:17 AM
That's why you fight her with just the combat knife.
True, but you regain better equipment quickly though. And you are in the hive obviously, surely the fight could've been more harsh.
Prince's fight was even easier with his equipment.
You don't have to pick up the guns though.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 07, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
It's also difficult as all hell.
Yep, just as I remembered.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 07, 2021, 10:06:34 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 07, 2021, 09:21:20 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 07, 2021, 12:05:17 AM
That's why you fight her with just the combat knife.
True, but you regain better equipment quickly though. And you are in the hive obviously, surely the fight could've been more harsh.
Prince's fight was even easier with his equipment.
You don't have to pick up the guns though.
The knife and pistol only (IIRC ?) would definitely up the ante. ;D
Quote from: judge death on Apr 07, 2021, 09:35:37 PM
Theres no males or alien kings, thank heavens! But to the disapointment of many furry fans who wish there are xD
Queen aliens dont need mating to start eggproduction, when they reach adulthood, they automaticly starts a colony and starts the egglaying and the rest of the colony is drones/warriors who work together with the queen to keep their hive working. In short.
I think you mean the niche furry subculture, Chitinies, and they're not too bothered about the standard lack of options, I'm told they're very adaptable.
Masters of DNA reflex.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 07, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
It's also difficult as all hell.
The game in general?
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 07, 2021, 12:05:05 PM
ACM basically parroted every boss fight of that era though.
I mean in terms of not just shooting the Queen like AvP2 or Trilogy.
Idk, I always thought shooting the bitch to death yourself is more satisying
AVP Classic in general.
I'd say AvP2 is harder on the first playthrough, but once you know where things spawn/scripted events occur, it's just so scripted that you can breeze through it in minutes.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 07, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
It's also difficult as all hell.
Like the asteroid part from Dead Space?
I always thought the most difficult part in AVP2 was the alien one. That creature was so fragile, the health melted like snow in the sun, especially against those motherf**kings sentry turrets.
The marine's hardest part, IMO, was facing the predator, not even the queen.
For Prince's part... Well I don't see any really "hard" moments. Just less easier ones than others.
Like when you crash in the Xenomorph infested mountains after escaping the pods, for example.
Marines hardest parts for me was the bits where you're getting swarmed, ditto for predator. The bits that are supposed to be hard can be taken slowly and methodically but a big mob of small fast enemies can be overwhelming. Might just be my playstyle though. I hated Primal Hunt because (among other things) they just throw a million enemies at you rather than making interesting assault routes etc.
If we are gonna talk about the hardest parts on Hardcore. Sections 3 and 4 of the first Marine Mission are the most difficult. Mainly cus you only have the pulse rifle and shotgun at that point. The fact that you know where the aliens will spawn helps but there is a part near the end of Section 3 of Mission 1 after you open a door that aliens will come from both sides, you need be very fast cus you can be swarmed so quicky there won't be enough time to kill them all in time.
On the Predator fight you can be one shooted by the plasma or spear slash depending on how much HP and Armor you have, its easy to die and the Predator is a bullet/rocket sponge but for plasma you can just use cover and since you are faster than the Predator you just need to move backwards for him to not hit you with the spear.
Praetorians can be hard if you don't use the minigun, on the last part of the last Marine mission when multiple Praetorians come to you I prefer using the Sniper rifle instead, can be risky if they come too close.
For Predator campaign the first Praetorian fight on the first mission is the hardest part, same reason as the first marine mission, you don't have the best weapons to fight that thing on Hardcore. I just shoot all of my speargun and try to jump backwards while swinging my spear at that majestic Praetorian until its dead so I can take his head. That thing can kill you in 2-3 second with its claws. Goddamn hardest boss in the game is a Praetorian on the first mission. Yay.
The Queen is so slow I can bitch slap her with the spear to death without getting a single hit. The 2 Predalien fight on Mission 5 can be hard depending on what weapons you decide to use, same as in Praetorian if you they come too close you can die really fast. The last section of Mission 5 can be hard cus you need to deal with a Praetorian and a swarm of aliens so even with plasma spamming if your energy runs out you are screwed but it can be avoided by entering a passage the Praetorian can't get in. Rykov on the Exosuit can one shot kill you but pistol secondary fire gives a easy win.
For Alien Campaign, Androids with minigun can pretty much one shot kill you and you can't stun them with tail or headbite right away like you do with humans. You need to claws them to death fast before they have a chance to start the gun. The last fight against 2 Predators is hard mainly cus if you jump on the platform and the Light Predator happens to have the plasma caster equipped there isn't time to avoid it as it follows you and its a one shot kill.
Primal Hunt is absolutely broken in Hardcore. Corporate and Predator you have to deal with such a huge swarm of enemies that your only option is the one shot kill flamethrower for drones/runners while saving minigun ammo for Praetorians as Corporate, and plasma spamming caster and pistol as Predator. Trying to fight 2 aliens with melee as Predator is already a challenge. I like trying to use melee but after every fight you need to heal and recharge, kind of gets boring. Also last Corporate mission, they give you only pistols, shotgun, pulse rifle to deal with all of that. That part where you need to wait for the elevator and a Praetorian with a swarm of aliens come... they didn't test that shit, its a nightmare.
As Predalien, sentries and droids are the worse, but you can die so easily from almost anything, need to spam the stun tail attack on anything you see so they don't get a chance to shot you.
And people think the AVP2010 or Isolation are hard. I didn't have much trouble with AVP Classic, Concrete Jungle... Extinction can be hard and frustating in some parts. ACM with Templar V6 might come close to Primal Hunt's hardcore, tested it in coop with some people and even with 4 people it was hard, the no hud thing is a bother and the Lurkers were taking over a full pulse rifle clip to kill lol. The DLC was already a nightmare on V5 cus Gearbox had already made it harder than the main campaign after people complained about the game being easy, and that stacks up with all the buffs Templar gave to the Aliens.
You seem to know a lot about AvP games.
EU gaming gains brah.
QuoteIf we are gonna talk about the hardest parts on Hardcore. Sections 3 and 4 of the first Marine Mission are the most difficult. Mainly cus you only have the pulse rifle and shotgun at that point. The fact that you know where the aliens will spawn helps but there is a part near the end of Section 3 of Mission 1 after you open a door that aliens will come from both sides, you need be very fast cus you can be swarmed so quicky there won't be enough time to kill them all in time.
On the Predator fight you can be one shooted by the plasma or spear slash depending on how much HP and Armor you have, its easy to die and the Predator is a bullet/rocket sponge but for plasma you can just use cover and since you are faster than the Predator you just need to move backwards for him to not hit you with the spear.
Praetorians can be hard if you don't use the minigun, on the last part of the last Marine mission when multiple Praetorians come to you I prefer using the Sniper rifle instead, can be risky if they come too close.
For Predator campaign the first Praetorian fight on the first mission is the hardest part, same reason as the first marine mission, you don't have the best weapons to fight that thing on Hardcore. I just shoot all of my speargun and try to jump backwards while swinging my spear at that majestic Praetorian until its dead so I can take his head. That thing can kill you in 2-3 second with its claws. Goddamn hardest boss in the game is a Praetorian on the first mission. Yay.
Nailed it.
I love reading stuff like this.
I always thought the first game was the hardest because of the always respawning Aliens. I'd be running around in the sameish looking levels lost as f**k worried about the next mob coming in.
I grenade footed everything in AvP2. Even though, I'm not really ever sure I beat AvP2 on the hardest difficulty like I did the first one, and I only did that to play every level.
I didn't find anything difficult about the 2010.
Would say avp2 is the easiest avp game, very scripted and short missions and can beat the campaign on 2-3 hours max. Not much exploration or changes and to me the story didnt live up to what others said, found it to be mediocer game. AVPclassic was way better.
It is by far the easiest.
There is way more exploration in AvP2 than probably both AvP and 2010 combined.
Don't get me wrong, the maps are linear, but there is quite a bit of stuff that is very easy to miss in AvP2 if you go the most basic route. Especially if you are beating the campaign in three hours. Nobody gives AvP2 props for its story being brilliant, just that it had one. For some reason, I always felt AvP2 felt more like Jurassic Park than it did Alien or Predator, but I thought it worked fairly well. Still consider it the best game out of all the AvPs, even if it was tonally off.
AvP only got the balancing right imo. Maybe because I didn't have a computer capable of playing it at the time and played it after more story based shooters like AvP2 and Half Life had come out, it just felt very simple in comparison.
It's got a little bit more replayability with things like skirmish mode and the respawning aliens and they at least attempted a species balance (humans-technology, preds-toughness, aliens-speed) It's just not interesting from a narrative standpoint.
2010 was both a step back and step forward. I didn't like that you had to do things like push buttons to transition from one surface to another to wall walk as the Alien, or to press buttons to enter vents, but I did think that the colony levels and the surrounding areas were good Alien verse callbacks. Felt it lost steam with the AvP movie inspired temple bits but was still solid. Hell since its the only one I can still play, maybe I'll replay it tomorrow.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 11, 2021, 04:35:51 AM
There is way more exploration in AvP2 than probably both AvP and 2010 combined.
Don't get me wrong, the maps are linear, but there is quite a bit of stuff that is very easy to miss in AvP2 if you go the most basic route. Especially if you are beating the campaign in three hours. Nobody gives AvP2 props for its story being brilliant, just that it had one. For some reason, I always felt AvP2 felt more like Jurassic Park than it did Alien or Predator, but I thought it worked fairly well. Still consider it the best game out of all the AvPs, even if it was tonally off.
AvP only got the balancing right imo. Maybe because I didn't have a computer capable of playing it at the time and played it after more story based shooters like AvP2 and Half Life had come out, it just felt very simple in comparison.
It's got a little bit more replayability with things like skirmish mode and the respawning aliens and they at least attempted a species balance (humans-technology, preds-toughness, aliens-speed) It's just not interesting from a narrative standpoint.
2010 was both a step back and step forward. I didn't like that you had to do things like push buttons to transition from one surface to another to wall walk as the Alien, or to press buttons to enter vents, but I did think that the colony levels and the surrounding areas were good Alien verse callbacks. Felt it lost steam with the AvP movie inspired temple bits but was still solid. Hell since its the only one I can still play, maybe I'll replay it tomorrow.
I whole-heartedly agree. I think AVP 2010 was a bit of a disappointment. I also think it's the shortest, easiest of the three.
I still play AvP for the skirmish mode lol
Yeah and the Derelict custom level.
Have it on my pc and play it often, all levels beaten on hardest mode. ;D
I find Realistic tough enough personally.
Acid glow has played the game enough times that his youtube videos make my struggles look noobish in comparison.
AvP classic remains one of the few games I have 100 percent completed on its hardest modes.
I don't know which one was more satisfying. It took me years to beat the last level of the marine missions. Id get super frustrated and quit playing for years and then trying it again until I finally beat it.
That our TLOU grounded difficulty where I kept dying in what amounts to the games interactive cutscenes.
I still don't understand how the f**k do you get out of this god damn pyramid with the Xeno.
You climb the walls
No, no, dig UP stupid.
Does this mean the Flying Queen isn't canon? :o
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Either never was or always will be, depending on who ye ask.
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