I'm not sure if this was noticed before but, look at this David Finch artwork...
(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/alien_cover_finch.jpg)
Star-Lord's Walkman:
(https://i.ibb.co/RBJHNzB/Screenshot-20200703-180043-Gallery.jpg)
GOTG are too OP for Alien.
i had already called a "predator vs howard the duck" crossover, time to predict an "alien vs rocket raccoon" crossover too
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courtesy of google
:laugh:
Seriously though. I really would not prefer the first Marvel Alien comic to feature Star-Lord, Gamora, Rocket and Groot. I love GotG, I love Alien, but certain things, in my humble opinion, just do not mix.
Yeah if that's their first series I would just stop collecting the comics at this point and just end it when DH is done.
I don't mind crossovers, even the silly ones occasionally, but if they came out of the gate with GotG and Aliens I'de be disappointed
Makes me think of this exchange that went viral in 2017 when Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and Alien: Covenant were playing in theaters. :D
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I don't think it's gonna happen.
Quote from: EJA on Jul 04, 2020, 01:34:09 PM
I don't think it's gonna happen.
One would think the same thing of Conan and the Avengers, once Marvel re-obtained those rights, yet...
(https://www.previewsworld.com/SiteImage/MainImage/STL103408)
(https://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Savage-Avengers-1.jpg)
Conan is a pretty different situation in my opinion. Conan isn't so much a franchise as it is a character not far off from being in the public domain that's been reinterpreted countless times for over 80 years now. That's not so dissimilar from Marvel using Lovecraftian creatures in their Doctor Strange comics and the like.
I disagree. Conan has always been from the Hyborian Age and always had a well established lore, and much like Tolkien with Middle Earth, Howard captured its topography and did an excessive amount of world building of its countries, people, religion and politics, so much more than Alien. Howard also wrote out a piece not intended for publication detailing major events during this age, as well as ages preceding and following it.
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I'm with Nightmare Asylum on this.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 04, 2020, 01:09:19 AM
:laugh:
Seriously though. I really would not prefer the first Marvel Alien comic to feature Star-Lord, Gamora, Rocket and Groot. I love GotG, I love Alien, but certain things, in my humble opinion, just do not mix.
Agreed.
Quote from: EJA on Jul 04, 2020, 02:56:11 PM
I'm with Nightmare Asylum on this.
That's cool. I just see it as opposite. To get a horse riding sword wielding, loincloth wearing Conan in the Marvel world you need to open up a wormhole or portal, or time travel if you accept Hyboria as our pre-recorded history. He is a human of the past, or a past.
To add an Alien to Marvel you can just simply add an Alien. It's out there in the deep corners of space with no further explanation required. Even with Weyland, it's all easier to assimilate and integrate into the Marvel present world than a barbarian of an old age that ultimately became the King of Aquilonia
Ya I'm with Voodoo on this especially considering Conan is absolutely a franchise that spans books, comics, movies and video games. And Savage Avengers is pretty damn entertaining but Marvel is also doing standalone Conan stories that are set in the "Hyborian Age" so I think we can have our cake and eat it too with regards to having crossovers and standalone stories. (If Conan is anything to go by
Guardians vs Aliens makes sense in the fact that they already are in space. Really any of the space based characters could have the potential for crossover that isn't overly forced so Thor, Silver Surfer, maybe Inhumans just to name a few.
Oh Lord, this will be terrible. Unless it is just a side-Canon.
It is also worthy of note that marvel made their own knock-off of Conan long ago for the Marvel Universe, Arkon.
Didn't Marvel produce some sketches showing Star Wars characters interacting with Marvel characters a while back?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 04, 2020, 04:52:56 PM
Oh Lord, this will be terrible. Unless it is just a side-Canon.
Assuming they do do any Marvel vs Alien crossovers (which, at this point, is just an assumption) I'm sure they will be no different from the old DC ones and certainly won't be "official" Alien canon.
Ya, strictly speaking, I'm only talking about cross-overs. I am optimistic about actual canon Aliens stories.
I'm always going to be more excited for the standalone stories over a crossover but any new content is welcome as far as I'm concerned.
A crossover can certainly be fun... I just hope someone doesn't get the brilliant idea to incorporate these monsters permanently within the comic Marvel universe, leaving us a crossover vibe that lasts 24/7. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, especially where Predator is concerned.
Considering Marvel is all about separate timelines/universes I don't think this will be the issue. They'll have a strictly Predator universe timeline and they'll have crossover predator/superhero stories in a separate timeline.
I'm not a big Predator fan but I'd be ok with some Dutch stories leading up to a Dutch film. (Retconning the Predator possibly)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 03, 2020, 10:16:01 PM
I'm not sure if this was noticed before but, look at this David Finch artwork...
https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/alien_cover_finch.jpg
Star-Lord's Walkman:
(https://i.ibb.co/RBJHNzB/Screenshot-20200703-180043-Gallery.jpg)
Oh, f**k
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 04, 2020, 01:20:27 AM
Makes me think of this exchange that went viral in 2017 when Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and Alien: Covenant were playing in theaters. :D
(https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/92d/76/e806027f6a95dd64-768x678.png)
https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/519/a8/5d1a26397d7099bc-360x640.png
:D :D :D
Marvel definitely need to focus on the individual series before they do any crossovers, but I would not turn my nose up at any 2 or 3 years down the line. Predator vs. Wolverine, Aliens vs. Venom. I am all up for that!
Black Panther vs. Predator
In Wakanda? That sounds like a good matchup!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 06, 2020, 08:44:51 AM
Marvel definitely need to focus on the individual series before they do any crossovers, but I would not turn my nose up at any 2 or 3 years down the line. Predator vs. Wolverine, Aliens vs. Venom. I am all up for that!
I do prefer the idea of 2 or 3 year waiting period, but Conan crossovers started 2-3 months in, so I have little faith such a crossover delay will occur unfortunately.
We'll 100% have crossovers in the first year, probably alongside the standalone series.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 06, 2020, 04:00:03 PM
We'll 100% have crossovers in the first year, probably alongside the standalone series.
This.
Not to say that's a bad thing. If we get a strong Aliens ongoing I'd be down for "Alien vs Predator vs the Marvel Universe."
it does make me wonder how both xenomorph's and yautja would stack up against "superheroes", we're so used to seeing them against regular humans, which i think is part of the appeal, but could be interesting to see how level the playing field is when they're facing venom or wolverine, for example
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 06, 2020, 08:44:51 AM
Marvel definitely need to focus on the individual series before they do any crossovers, but I would not turn my nose up at any 2 or 3 years down the line. Predator vs. Wolverine, Aliens vs. Venom. I am all up for that!
Said the man who claimed that AvP is only crossover he accepts lol
I hope not.
To be honest the only one I think I'd be interested in would be The Punisher vs Predator
In all honesty, I'd rather see Predator interact with Marvel characters than Alien.
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 06, 2020, 06:34:39 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 06, 2020, 08:44:51 AM
Marvel definitely need to focus on the individual series before they do any crossovers, but I would not turn my nose up at any 2 or 3 years down the line. Predator vs. Wolverine, Aliens vs. Venom. I am all up for that!
Said the man who claimed that AvP is only crossover he accepts lol
I said it used to be! I revisited the DC crossovers a year or so again, and those Batman ones were f**king fun. But in a serious way, I suppose AvP is still the only crossover I can take seriously. The rest are just fun (or not) side things.
No question, of all the Alien and Predator crossovers, AVP is still the one.
It just never played out right in the films.
They hired the wrong behind-the-scenes talent imo.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 08, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
They hired the wrong behind-the-scenes talent imo.
Do you mean The Strause Brothers ?
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 08, 2020, 08:54:43 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 08, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
They hired the wrong behind-the-scenes talent imo.
Do you mean The Strause Brothers ?
I was talking Paul W.S. Anderson, but yeah, ultimately them too.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jul 05, 2020, 03:21:38 PM
Considering Marvel is all about separate timelines/universes I don't think this will be the issue. They'll have a strictly Predator universe timeline and they'll have crossover predator/superhero stories in a separate timeline.
Generally speaking, I'm not partial to crossovers with Predator and Marvel, mainly on the account of superhero fatigue - and am afraid that a crossover would (as someone else mentioned on another thread) "neuter" the Predators in favor of elevating the Marvel characters. I'd be worried of the Predators being cheapened. But, I do think one positive that could come out of this is an actual expansion of the Predator universe and mythos/lore. So I suppose that prospect does get me excited to see where this goes.
What about crossovers with DC and other comic book universes?
Swamp Thing? :laugh: But even then, I'd just as well keep everyone's "houses" separate.
To me where the DC crossovers started to falter was that it thought too small as time went on. If you're working with the idea that Alien or Predator exists in this universe then we need to understand that the Alien or Predator is as knowledgeable about this world as everyone else.
Predator isn't just going to have the regular arsenal, it's going to be tweaked in order to fit into this world. In the MU superheroes have been common since the early 1900's and the technology and way of life has adapted to reflect that. If we work under the assumption that the films would be canonical at bare minimum then the armor and weapons work on and around superheroes. Predator would have weapons that could take an Asgardian or would have cloaking technology that works around superhuman abilities. You don't have to neuter them you just have to remind yourself that if they're treated to have always been there then they have to seem as if they always have.
The best crossovers were Batman vs Predator (the first one) and Superman vs Aliens. Specifically Superman vs Aliens used the Superman lore the best because it had Superman searching for the lost city of Argo which had survived the destruction of Krypton (Supergirl is actually from this city in the regular Superman continuity and him searching for this city is common in the lore). So Superman travels through space to find this lost city which happens to be overrun by Xenos and since Superman traveled so far from the yellow sun he's powerless therefore upping that tension.
So with Aliens you really need the crossover to be space based, hence characters like Guardians, Inhumans, Silver Surfer, Thor or even Thanos would be best suited for that crossover. Predator pretty much works with most Earth based superheroes (although it'd be nice if the Pred won for once!).
Again, I'm still more excited for the standalone stories but I always welcome any new content.
Quote from: Wysps on Jul 11, 2020, 03:15:17 AM
Swamp Thing? :laugh: But even then, I'd just as well keep everyone's "houses" separate.
They should do a Swamp Thing / Man Thing crossover. I guess..
It's the only "thing" that would make sense.
:P
I have this mental picture in my head of Kraven confronting Spider-Man, while at the head of a Yautja pack.
You can't do better then Batman vs Predator because it's essentially Predator 2 in Gotham City and Batman has no superpowers. That's why it works so well.
Punisher vs Predator would be good for similar reasons. They could easily both come across each other through their mutual love of killing gang members, and the Predator would definitely see Frank Castle as prey worthy enough to hunt.
Alright, that is good idea. I'd only argue that Gotham is solely Batman's spot, while New York where Punisher operates is home of f**kload of other heroes.
Daredevil vs Predator is what interests me. The Predator's camouflage means nothing to the Daredevil!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 13, 2020, 08:58:11 PM
Daredevil vs Predator is what interests me. The Predator's camouflage means nothing to the Daredevil!
Hot damn, thats a great point. That could make a great match up.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 13, 2020, 08:58:11 PM
Daredevil vs Predator is what interests me. The Predator's camouflage means nothing to the Daredevil!
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*takes bow* ;D
It would be fascinating to see from the Predator's perspective once it realizes its camo doesn't work on him, and also once it realizes its opponent is actually blind.