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As the title says. Would you be interested in reading something like that?

That would be an instant preorder from me. Hell yes.

Yeah, sure, the species is already space humanity anyway, so I don't worry so much about humanisation lol.
Perhaps it can also establish the suit design is from a long dead race that the ruins of cover the Engineer homeworld?

Might be hard to pull off but yeah, I'd read it. It might read a bit like the Halo Forerunner series but more sinister.

I also want to comic series with only predators and aliens. No humans whatsoever and no predator dialogue. Something like the F&S scene with Ahab and the four-armed aliens.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 07, 2019, 08:54:23 AM
As the title says. Would you be interested in reading something like that?

Why are you asking ?

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 07, 2019, 08:54:23 AM
As the title says. Would you be interested in reading something like that?

Probably not, to be honest. I'd prefer them to remain slightly mysterious. Considering the majority of the mystery was removed when they were revealed to be 7 foot bald humans, I'd prefer not to have absolutely everything revealed.

I would be interested, but I'm not sure I would like the result, sometimes not knowing much is better.
But I would buy that book, no doubts.

Does Hicks know something we don't know?  ;D

I'd love anything more from the Prometheus side of things.

I'd definitely be interested. 

Hiiiiiiiiicks? Are you in on something ?

I would certainly be interested but also a bit leery of them being further demystified. But if it were to happen I'd absolutely read it.

I'd love to see a story about what happened 2,000 years ago, depicting events both on Earth and on LV-223.

-Windebieste.

Not before Ridley finishes what he's up to (or a third David flick is definitively cancelled).

I'd give it a shot, as long as it gave us some answers to the events before and immediately after both Prometheus and Covenant.

I'd read that book, but not because of that hook. It would need something more interesting than "What if we told a story about slightly odd looking people with funky technology."

Oh definitely. I would love a book to learn more about them. Ancient epic poetry can serve as a guide. I mean examples of heroic literature such as Homer's Odyssey or Mesopotamian Epic of Gilgamesh. Mary Shelley's Frankenstein as well. It would be interesting to learn:

- What happened in LV-223 two millennia ago?

- Space exploration. Engineers exploring other worlds, or even visiting Earth in prehistoric times.

- Some detail about their civilization: technology, culture, political-social organization, science, religion (if there is any), their motivations, etc. It is not necessary to be very detailed. But you can address different topics in a subtle way.

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I believe what we call Space Jockey can be its own culture, or even its own civilization, among the Engineer race (along the lines of Arcturians  ;D but with more steroids  8)). With that in mind, maybe this faction is the result of a Biomechanical Transhumanism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism), in totally contrast to the other more Hellenic or monk-looking Engineers. They are more militaristic, and they are not afraid to experiment in their bodies with biomechanical technology. Perhaps it's like the Melange / Spice from Dune! and they are addicted to it!  :laugh:

It might sound very shitty, but maybe even something like Star Trek Borg but with the Giger treatment  ;D below a video about transhumanism. 


The technology could have physiological / psychological side effects on the Engineers. They are becoming the Space Jockeys. They perceive reality in another way (whether if it is hallucination or another dimension). They see nightmarish shapes, and patterns. They try to make their art and ornaments accordingly to these altered states of consciousness. They are shamans of war and destruction. They dress like their otherworldly visions. They want to be like what their perceive or interpret as their masters. That being said...

Elders: An eco friendly culture. The wise men. They love nature, arts, science, philosophy, astronomy, etc.

Space Jockeys: A tribe of war. Their art is sadistic and macabre. They have lost connection with nature and have become increasingly dependent on their technology.


But in general, I like to interpret Engineers, as a whole, like a naturalistic versions of the concept of God according to Pandeism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism): the creator deity became the universe and ceased to exist as a separate and conscious entity. In the case of the Engineers, they become the life of a planet and ceased to exist as a separate and conscious entity. In an epic and ancient ritual, there is life after death. Sacrifice is a key part of their original culture.


Even so it would be nice to discover that the Engineers found some kind of abstract entity, which marked a before and after in their race  ;D like the shapeshifting fractal-like creature from Annihilation.

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I would be interested but I would prefer it be completely alien to humanity. If they have to be a bunch of albino people in skeleton outfits then the culture at least needs to be a triple take to figure out what's going on.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Nov 08, 2019, 02:50:17 AM
I would be interested but I would prefer it be completely alien to humanity. If they have to be a bunch of albino people in skeleton outfits then the culture at least needs to be a triple take to figure out what's going on.

I prefer Space Jockey as something completely alien as well. But I still find the Engineers interesting for some reason. I don't know why, but I like them.

Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2019, 10:25:51 PM
Not before Ridley finishes what he's up to (or a third David flick is definitively cancelled).

If we don't get a last prequel film I want both: a book from human perspective (like Alan Dean Foster's novelizations of Covenant) and another one from the Engineer perspective that tackle the end of David's journey and the bridge to Alien. I can imagine the rage of an Engineer after find all his civilization reduced to ashes. Then he go completely berserk and start a hunt for David's head. While the synthetic man may be not a rival for an Engineer, we must not forget that the dude is the creator of the Alien. Plus, He has thousands of guinea pigs and a couple of mini facegugger to continue with his science project  ;D

Lol, I know nothing guys! It was just a wonder. Someone else mention the Halo series, and that's kind of what made me think of it. I love Greg Bear's Forerunner trilogy for Halo and was genuinely curious as to if there'd be any appetite for that approach with Alien.

You saying you have nothing to do after what your role was into Gibson's Alien 3 comic ?

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None for me, thank you. Might we spare one franchise from spoiling all the mysteries, please?

The Engineer = the human race, although evolved in a particular direction, nothing to spoil if it's done right.
Especially if you included the idea their technology comes from an ancient race with ruins all over the homeworld.
"A number of xenoanthropologists suggest the Engineers based their biomechanical technology on creatures greater than themselves- strange beings of immense size replete with pachydermic probosci."

Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 10, 2019, 10:40:23 PM
The Engineer = the human race, although evolved in a particular direction, nothing to spoil if it's done right.
Especially if you included the idea their technology comes from an ancient race with ruins all over the homeworld.
"A number of xenoanthropologists suggest the Engineers based their biomechanical technology on creatures greater than themselves- strange beings of immense size replete with pachydermic probosci."

I agree. I mean as long as they do it right, it should work pretty ok. Hopefully, someone follow that path to make a re-contextualization on the Engineer concept for future canonical installments.

Quote from: FenGiddel on Nov 10, 2019, 08:56:37 PM
None for me, thank you. Might we spare one franchise from spoiling all the mysteries, please?

I feel the mystery was spoiled the second it was revealed to be a pasty white dude in a suit. There's nothing left to spoil. It's just funny looking people now.

Quote from: SiL on Nov 11, 2019, 04:27:09 AM

Quote from: FenGiddel on Nov 10, 2019, 08:56:37 PM
None for me, thank you. Might we spare one franchise from spoiling all the mysteries, please?

I feel the mystery was spoiled the second it was revealed to be a pasty white dude in a suit. There's nothing left to spoil. It's just funny looking people now.

Are you 100% agreed that the Space Jockey is an Engineer? I know that some just don't care anymore, but even accepting that the Jockey is an Engineer, it is not as like the recontextualization of such idea is impossible  :-\

Funny thing is...the Pilot in Alien is much larger than (and built differently from) the Engineer in Prometheus.

I know Ridley intends them to be the same thing but they are visually inconsistent

It's just the artistic vision, and maybe even artistic ergonomics too. Happens all the time. The queen of AVP is huge, and nobody complains. Anyway,  the new RPG is currently tackling the subject (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62140.msg2431185#msg2431185).

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2019, 04:50:50 AM

Quote from: SiL on Nov 11, 2019, 04:27:09 AM

Quote from: FenGiddel on Nov 10, 2019, 08:56:37 PM
None for me, thank you. Might we spare one franchise from spoiling all the mysteries, please?

I feel the mystery was spoiled the second it was revealed to be a pasty white dude in a suit. There's nothing left to spoil. It's just funny looking people now.

Are you 100% agreed that the Space Jockey is an Engineer? I know that some just don't care anymore, but even accepting that the Jockey is an Engineer, it is not as like the recontextualization of such idea is impossible  :-\

That's what Scott intends. Whether that is the direction we continue to go? Many of us are clinging to the Engineers imitating the Jockey's. And we're getting some licensed support of that with the excerpt from the RPG Fiendish quoted above.

I can live with the Engineers being Space-Jockey-wannabes.

They worship the Jockeys as gods.

Jockeys created them, they created us. Each generation being inferior...

Each generation being inferior? I think David would disagree with that...  :P

Yes, and he's perhaps right-
But I think the previous poster means from a "human" point of view of greatness.

Hi,

I agree that re-contextualization is indeed what we need here. The Engineers may be from some particular society sectors.

QuoteTheir reactions to literature and music are phenomenous. The deleted scenes from Prometheus  preserved the evidence of their familiar attitude to the latter.

(Quote is taken from alien-covenant forum)

I don't understand your meaning.

Quote from: Albrecht on Nov 25, 2019, 07:04:28 AM
Hi,

I agree that re-contextualization is indeed what we need here. The Engineers may be from some particular society sectors.

QuoteTheir reactions to literature and music are phenomenous. The deleted scenes from Prometheus  preserved the evidence of their familiar attitude to the latter.

(Quote is taken from alien-covenant forum)

I'm not sure phenomenous is a word.

Does the Urban Dictionary count?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Phenomenous

No.

So much better if it were the indecipherable Yog-Sothoth of O'Bannon's suggestion, to perhaps save us from too much over'splainin'...

It should have the squamous indecipherability of the phenomenous.

Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2019, 02:45:56 AM
It should have the squamous indecipherability of the phenomenous.

But is it considerably larger than any normal squamous found in these waters?

Bravo, SM!  ;D

Bravo... Alright, then.