Poll
Question:
Who will win?
Option 1: Prisoners
votes: 4
Option 2: Runner
votes: 32
Ok, all prisoners on Fury 161 rush to poor Runner. They grab him and knocked to the ground. Well, one-two people grab and hold Alien's left hand. Same with right hand, and with left and right legs. And one-two, maybe three people hold the tail. Other people just beat and kick a defenseless alien. Always I wondered if the crowd of unarmed people can kill the Alien? How do you think - it's possible? Who will win?
And remember - just melee. Without fittings, sharpenings and the like.
No chance.
Even assuming they all act perfectly coordinated without any fear of pain or death, complete selfless dedication to the cause even when people die horrible around them and they get injured, there still is the problem how they could even hurt it without weapons.
And even if they could, the blood would make short work of them before they could hope to kill it.
That is if they can bring it down in the first place. It is far stronger than any man and can easily kill with about every limp, the mouth and the tail.
It is probably strong enough to even crush a human to death against a wall or the floor.
And it is very fast, so it would not be easy to corner it or get ahold on it before it kills or incapacitates too many of them.
My money is firmly on the Runner.
Why not let them use the fire axes and carving knives that Andrews mentioned? That may at least give them a chance to mortally wound it.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Sep 02, 2019, 10:41:25 AM
That is if they can bring it down in the first place. It is far stronger than any man and can easily kill with about every limp, the mouth and the tail.
I don't think that Runner's short thick neck will allow him to reach people. Someone can hold the Alien's head behind like a pillow, not allowing him to turn his head and attack others.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Sep 02, 2019, 10:41:25 AM
And it is very fast, so it would not be easy to corner it or get ahold on it before it kills or incapacitates too many of them.
This is a small handicap for prisonners. They already grabbed him.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 02, 2019, 10:46:56 AM
Why not let them use the fire axes and carving knives that Andrews mentioned? That may at least give them a chance to mortally wound it.
I'm sure - in rush attack, they can do it. But it's about old school beat 'em up. A kind of challenge. And don't forget about acid blood - axe is dangerous choice.
Alien in the first round.
Runner's tail has a serrated ridge. Good luck holding onto that for long.
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 02, 2019, 11:02:32 AM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Sep 02, 2019, 10:41:25 AM
And it is very fast, so it would not be easy to corner it or get ahold on it before it kills or incapacitates too many of them.
This is a small handicap for prisonners. They already grabbed him.
I don't think they could hold him down for long, if at all. Even if, sooner or later somebody gets tired and loses his grip.
There is still the problem of the missing weapons. The Runner survived tons of molten lead dropped on him, I doubt fists and kicks would do any serious damage.
With all the people crowded around the Runner, holding him, I doubt they could get some good shots in anyway.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Sep 02, 2019, 11:20:37 AM
I don't think they could hold him down for long, if at all. Even if, sooner or later somebody gets tired and loses his grip.
Get tired? Even exhausted they are still 70-100 kilograms. Two people = 140-200 kg per arm of alien. For powerloader - 200 kg it's not a problem, because metal and hydraulics, but not for alien. I'm sure - Runner can get tired too! :P
Quote from: SiL on Sep 02, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
Runner's tail has a serrated ridge. Good luck holding onto that for long.
It is unlikely that these ridge are very sharp or something like that. It's not a blades. Hmm.. Alien Warrior has blades on arms and this can be a problem, but Runner hasn't. Ripley could grab Runner's tail, Dillon prevented her.
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 02, 2019, 11:36:17 AM
It is unlikely that these ridge are very sharp or something like that. It's not a blades. Hmm.. Alien Warrior has blades on arms and this can be a problem, but Runner hasn't. Ripley could grab Runner's tail, Dillon prevented her.
Ripley couldn't. She tried and the Alien pulled it out of her grip. They don't need to be sharp -- they at least mean that you don't have a good surface to grip. Wrapping your fingers around the spikes means spreading your fingers and weakening your grip. The people grabbing the tail are going to lose their fingers.
And somebody's going to have to hold near the tip, which
is bladed.
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 02, 2019, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Sep 02, 2019, 11:20:37 AM
I don't think they could hold him down for long, if at all. Even if, sooner or later somebody gets tired and loses his grip.
Get tired? Even exhausted they are still 70-100 kilograms. Two people = 140-200 kg per arm of alien. For powerloader - 200 kg it's not a problem, because metal and hydraulics, but not for alien. I'm sure - Runner can get tired too! :P
They are holding him, not just sitting on his arm. They have to actively hold him tight, which is exerting, and not just use their body weight. It's not easy to hold something as strong as an alien that tries to violently jerk free.
If their hold looses and he gets to jerk an arm free, it's over.
Not to mention, there is still the problem of them actually doing damage between all that.
Plus like Sil said, the tail grabbers have a good chance of broken fingers.
He could lift full grown men off the ground with zero effort. Serrated tail, claws and teeth. Furthermore, I believe the novelization of Alien 79 implied they could even regrow appendages, so he's not going to die from blood loss or be weakened for long by a lost limb.
He's a freight train of death. They had nothing too formidable with which to fight. For all intents and purposes, they truly were f**ked.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 02, 2019, 05:37:51 PM
He could lift full grown men off the ground with zero effort. Serrated tail, claws and teeth. Furthermore, I believe the novelization of Alien 79 implied they could even regrow appendages, so he's not going to die from blood loss or be weakened for long by a lost limb.
He's a freight train of death. They had nothing too formidable with which to fight. For all intents and purposes, they truly were f**ked.
Don't forget, the A3 creature also had the nastiest surprise of all - the ability to spit acid.
One prisoner to put his hand over the mouth. That oughta do it.
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2019, 11:33:47 PM
One prisoner to put his hand over the mouth. That oughta do it.
Over 85's maybe.
One of the prisoners name better be Dachande if they wanna have a chance.
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 02, 2019, 10:28:50 AM
Ok, all prisoners on Fury 161 rush to poor Runner. They grab him and knocked to the ground.
They what? That's not how it works. :D
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 02, 2019, 10:28:50 AM
Other people just beat and kick a defenseless alien.
That was funny to imagine. I don't think the alien would be bothered by human kicks.
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 02, 2019, 10:28:50 AM
Always I wondered if the crowd of unarmed people can kill the Alien? How do you think - it's possible? Who will win?
Have a crowd of unarmed people ever killed like a tiger or a bear? I like to think the aliens are harder to kill than those. From what was established on movies that wouldn't go well for the humans but maybe Machiko could beat it with judo moves if the writer is into that stuff.
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 02, 2019, 10:28:50 AM
And remember - just melee. Without fittings, sharpenings and the like.
I'm not even sure a Predator could simply bitch slap a Alien to death. Or should anyway. Like Celtic overpowered Grid with melee for a little while but that wasn't enough to injure it. Well since I think Predators should only be able to hold off an alien attack with melee, humans shouldn't have chance. Maybe like a combat android.
I always took it that a Pred could hang with an Alien in pure power for a few seconds, but that the Alien would eventually overpower them because of its biomechanical nature.
Even the comic preds which had the preds killing aliens in great numbers got many of their kills with burners or lengthy edged weapons. I think maybe in the novel it is referenced that Dachande killed one with his bare hands but its been so long since I read it I can't even remember if that is true or not.
Not much into the novel but in the comic Dachande is able to hold one alien down with his hands.
I think I remember hearing on forums something about Dachande being the only Predator to ever kill an alien with bare hands. A group of unharmed Predator might be able to give a beating to one alien, at least that would be enough to subdue and capture it.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 03, 2019, 02:44:41 AM
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 02, 2019, 10:28:50 AM
Other people just beat and kick a defenseless alien.
That was funny to imagine. I don't think the alien would be bothered by human kicks.
lol only if the Alien were a guy in a rubber suit. But in the fictional context, he is pure biomechanical fiber 8)
That said, I only see two possibilities: They break their feet or tickle the Runner :laugh:
The runner would just go full John Wick Alien blender mode on anybody rushing him.
When it stands its still a 7' tall monster with an armored carapace. It's probably going to outweigh any 2 guys that rush it. Not to mention all the stabby weapons.
Just don't see it even probably that the Alien is even knocked over at all.
Someone remember what the weight of an Alien is ??? I bet 200 or 300 kg :P
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 03, 2019, 03:23:52 AM
Just don't see it even probably that the Alien is even knocked over at all.
It would have to be a very elaborate scenario. But I think it's impossible.
Xenopedia has an alien at least 300+ lbs. Then again I don't think their weight was ever mentioned, maybe in the WYR?
Due to the biomechanical aspect it doesn't look that a weight estimate would be as easy to make as the one of normal organic creature.
I'm betting at least 400 plus.
Runner might could be significantly lighter given that it doesnt have the dorsal tubes that other Aliens do.
Parker is 6'4" and 250lbs (going by Yaphet's physicals) and is basically immobilized by the Alien. It is either very strong or pretty hefty.
Stompy sounded like he weighed a ton.
Game mechanic. Those heavy steps were needed to alert the player of its presence. On other hand who remembers AVP2's alien pounce ability? On that jump attack they were pretty much flying across the map like they weighed nothing.
Or the AvP aliens who could run something ridiculous like 14 meters per second.
Not a chance. Where would you "grab" a slippery armoured killing machine. The Alien is immensely strong, perhaps the strength of 10 strong men. Remember one headbutted through a metal door in Alien's. Then its exo skeleton comes next, i dont think being punched / beaten would have any effect at all on an Alien, it would be like punching a giant crab, you would break your own bones trying. Also blades would have little effect aswell.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 03, 2019, 04:13:16 AM
Game mechanic. Those heavy steps were needed to alert the player of its presence. On other hand who remembers AVP2's alien pounce ability? On that jump attack they were pretty much flying across the map like they weighed nothing.
But going with that ridiculous pounce attack, knowing how often it makes enemies literally explode cause of the high damage, maybe it does weigh a lot so when you get pounced in AVP2, it's like a giant heavy bullet.
Judo on an Alien?
I could see, in a very limited set of circumstances, pulling of a judo toss or trip on a Predator (like once).
On an Alien? Yeah, not happening. Ever have a cat go apeshit while you were holding it? You probably couldn't hold it. Now imagine something much larger, stronger, and more ferocious reacting to you grabbing it.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Sep 03, 2019, 12:15:09 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 03, 2019, 04:13:16 AM
Game mechanic. Those heavy steps were needed to alert the player of its presence. On other hand who remembers AVP2's alien pounce ability? On that jump attack they were pretty much flying across the map like they weighed nothing.
But going with that ridiculous pounce attack, knowing how often it makes enemies literally explode cause of the high damage, maybe it does weigh a lot so when you get pounced in AVP2, it's like a giant heavy bullet.
I reckon that pounce attack in the games is inspired from the Runner in A3, when it hits a straight section in the tunnels as it's chasing the prisoners and you see it fly at some poor bastard and then his blood sprays all over the door. It would be like getting hit by a train.
Quote from: razeak on Sep 03, 2019, 12:36:42 PM
Judo on an Alien?
I could see, in a very limited set of circumstances, pulling of a judo toss or trip on a Predator (like once).
On an Alien? Yeah, not happening. Ever have a cat go apeshit while you were holding it? You probably couldn't hold it. Now imagine something much larger, stronger, and more ferocious reacting to you grabbing it.
I would think getting a hold on it would be like trying to catch a slippery eel or fish with your hands - the thing is
covered in moist slime.
I've worked with bite dogs. It's amazing what kind of strength a 90 lbs canine can generate. I caught a blue shark that was around 10 feet. I had a mechanical advantage. It still almost broke me. I imagine the Alien is analogous to an insect in strength too. The power of animals far exceeds humans on a per lbs. basis.
Those teeth would just enhance how quickly it could turn it's strength against a gang of prisoners.
Humans can actually generate crazy levels of strength too, we just haven't figured out how to turn it on all the time unless a car is sitting on a child. Other animals when in predator mode have it turned on all the time.
Bet yes I always saw the Alien as being kind of ant like. Strength level far exceeding what its bodyweight would imply.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 04, 2019, 03:38:57 AM
Humans can actually generate crazy levels of strength too, we just haven't figured out how to turn it on all the time unless a car is sitting on a child.
I've found that spiders or the possible ruining of good cheese are triggers for mine.
I often times used my NCO powers to make others lift heavy stuff.
It was amazing.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 04, 2019, 04:06:51 AM
I often times used my NCO powers to make others lift heavy stuff.
It was amazing.
My grandmother must've been a 4 star general then.
Before you knew what was happening, she'd have anyone in sight moving the furniture.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 04, 2019, 04:06:51 AM
I often times used my NCO powers to make others lift heavy stuff.
It was amazing.
If only you could have learned how to sit back, relax and let them hang c wire too.
Joe Rogan could give us a fight commentary
When he stops talking about DMT
I'd say the Runner would just stand in a corridor and quickly spin his tail around, the prisoners all get the same fate as the first guy to die with that massive fan.
"But have you tried DMT?"
There is absolutely no way that the prisoners could have taken on the Runner. Now, I will say that the Runner was much slender and less bulkier than the bipedal Xenos in Alien and Aliens, however, it was just as strong as them and much quicker. It would have made short work of those jerks.
Maybe we've been wrong all along, maybe you can just punch them to death like in AVP 2010.
Quote from: razeak on Sep 04, 2019, 05:53:37 PM
"But have you tried DMT?"
"It's entirely possible."
Side note, you can't just Leeroy Jenkins a xenomorph
Having option "Prisoners" is offensive
Spoiler
;D
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 30, 2019, 05:57:38 AM
Having option "Prisoners" is offensive
Spoiler
;D
"Freedom Challenged"
What if they knocked it on its back? It might just lay there, unable to get up, waving its limbs in the air.
Maybe they could sneak up and break off those back pipe things first.
No backpipes on the runner
It's thought of everything!!
What they need to do is devise a concentrated psychological campaign, targeting the Runner's insecurities, it's lack of back pipes, the fact that it has no family, until it's spirit breaks and it gives up.
It will probably just spend a fortune on Back Pipe Force Plus pills and spend it's time on Youtube getting reassured that a lack of back pipes is to blame for all it's failings, that the reason Alien is a timeless masterpiece is all because of Big Chads enormous back pipes, and why it's all the Queens fault, which all makes it even more angry.
The Runner was so violent because of Incel rage? Lol.
It's back pipes were MUTILATED because #feminazis.
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Oct 22, 2019, 08:47:13 AM
What they need to do is devise a concentrated psychological campaign, targeting the Runner's insecurities, it's lack of back pipes, the fact that it has no family, until it's spirit breaks and it gives up.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 22, 2019, 09:05:38 AM
It will probably just spend a fortune on Back Pipe Force Plus pills and spend it's time on Youtube getting reassured that a lack of back pipes is to blame for all it's failings, that the reason Alien is a timeless masterpiece is all because of Big Chads enormous back pipes, and why it's all the Queens fault, which all makes it even more angry.
Huh. That's a good one.
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2019, 12:34:22 AM
It's back pipes were MUTILATED because #feminazis.
Hehe. I thought you said bagpipes.
Mutilating his instruments, now that's dirty.
Quote from: SM on Oct 28, 2019, 12:34:22 AM
It's back pipes were MUTILATED because #feminazis.
All female Ghostbusters and Arya Stark killing the Night King pushed him into this lifestyle
Sorry, a bit off topic.
After reading this thread and hearing the Aliens character name, I'm imagining a dark steamy corridor on Fiorina 161 with the Alien slowly twisting its head round towards a dark figure with a grey panel on the front of his tunic pointing a DS gun straight at it................"Runner"
I can't lie to you about your chances, but... you have my sympathies.
The original post reminds me of that great old (hoax) story about a group of 42 Cambodian Midget League Fighters battling a lion.
I'm betting on the Alien.