Anyone with high expectations for the blu-ray extras, dont. Very ordinary all round. There are only 3 deleted scenes ( Although 1 explains how they came to own the Winnebago ) and a minute of Nettles outtakes. There are a few featurettes on Shane Black and the Predators, but its nothing that hasn't been seen. Very ordinary all round, i was expecting a lot more behind the scenes, deleted scenes etc
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Dec 10, 2018, 07:34:20 PM
Anyone with high expectations for the blu-ray extras, dont. Very ordinary all round. There are only 3 deleted scenes ( Although 1 explains how they came to own the Winnebago ) and a minute of Nettles outtakes. There are a few featurettes on Shane Black and the Predators, but its nothing that hasn't been seen. Very ordinary all round, i was expecting a lot more behind the scenes, deleted scenes etc
For the poorest of us, can you explain the winnebago scene please ? ;D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 11, 2018, 02:07:52 AM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Dec 10, 2018, 07:34:20 PM
Anyone with high expectations for the blu-ray extras, dont. Very ordinary all round. There are only 3 deleted scenes ( Although 1 explains how they came to own the Winnebago ) and a minute of Nettles outtakes. There are a few featurettes on Shane Black and the Predators, but its nothing that hasn't been seen. Very ordinary all round, i was expecting a lot more behind the scenes, deleted scenes etc
For the poorest of us, can you explain the winnebago scene please ? ;D
It is Lynch on his own going around the hotel carpark. He knocks out a bikey who gives him grief. Then he is standing in front of the Bikes ( choppers ) the loonies stole and a guy asks him about them, to which Lynch asks about his winnebago. The guy asks Lynch what he needs, to which Lynch jokingly sayd RPGs. The guys says is that all, and they walk toward the winnebago.
I guess it explains a few things along with my Lynch isnt in the hotel room. Its a shame they didnt do more with the Lynch character, he had alot of potential
My expectations for extras are very low nowadays. I dont know, but it seem documantarys or making of about films they are 20 or more years older are much more interesting. They talk more about problems and changes they did and all that. But in making offs for newer movies, they are just talking about how awesome everything and everyone is and was, and you realize, that the studios are hiding their politic very well. Maybe a special edition in 20 years is much more interesting ; )
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Quote from: Ramjet311 on Dec 10, 2018, 07:34:20 PM
Anyone with high expectations for the blu-ray extras, dont. Very ordinary all round. There are only 3 deleted scenes ( Although 1 explains how they came to own the Winnebago ) and a minute of Nettles outtakes. There are a few featurettes on Shane Black and the Predators, but its nothing that hasn't been seen. Very ordinary all round, i was expecting a lot more behind the scenes, deleted scenes etc
For the poorest of us, can you explain the winnebago scene please ? ;D
It is Lynch on his own going around the hotel carpark. He knocks out a bikey who gives him grief. Then he is standing in front of the Bikes ( choppers ) the loonies stole and a guy asks him about them, to which Lynch asks about his winnebago. The guy asks Lynch what he needs, to which Lynch jokingly sayd RPGs. The guys says is that all, and they walk toward the winnebago.
I guess it explains a few things along with my Lynch isnt in the hotel room. Its a shame they didnt do more with the Lynch character, he had alot of potential
Thanks for the reply ! Yeah it would have been good to keep this scene to add extra meat to lynch's character who clearly needed it.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 11, 2018, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Dec 11, 2018, 06:39:50 AM
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Quote from: Ramjet311 on Dec 10, 2018, 07:34:20 PM
Anyone with high expectations for the blu-ray extras, dont. Very ordinary all round. There are only 3 deleted scenes ( Although 1 explains how they came to own the Winnebago ) and a minute of Nettles outtakes. There are a few featurettes on Shane Black and the Predators, but its nothing that hasn't been seen. Very ordinary all round, i was expecting a lot more behind the scenes, deleted scenes etc
For the poorest of us, can you explain the winnebago scene please ? ;D
It is Lynch on his own going around the hotel carpark. He knocks out a bikey who gives him grief. Then he is standing in front of the Bikes ( choppers ) the loonies stole and a guy asks him about them, to which Lynch asks about his winnebago. The guy asks Lynch what he needs, to which Lynch jokingly sayd RPGs. The guys says is that all, and they walk toward the winnebago.
I guess it explains a few things along with my Lynch isnt in the hotel room. Its a shame they didnt do more with the Lynch character, he had alot of potential
Thanks for the reply ! Yeah it would have been good to keep this scene to add extra meat to lynch's character who clearly needed it.
Definitely, Lynch had so much potential, especially having rewatched the film a few times. He has possibly one of the best lines of the movie, which i only just picked up on. He is telling Coyle how if Forrest Gump had just looked at the side of the box of chocolates, he would have known what he was getting. Its just after Baxleys " f**k me in the face with an Aardvark "
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Anyone with high expectations for the blu-ray extras, dont. Very ordinary all round. There are only 3 deleted scenes ( Although 1 explains how they came to own the Winnebago ) and a minute of Nettles outtakes. There are a few featurettes on Shane Black and the Predators, but its nothing that hasn't been seen. Very ordinary all round, i was expecting a lot more behind the scenes, deleted scenes etc
For the poorest of us, can you explain the winnebago scene please ? ;D
It is Lynch on his own going around the hotel carpark. He knocks out a bikey who gives him grief. Then he is standing in front of the Bikes ( choppers ) the loonies stole and a guy asks him about them, to which Lynch asks about his winnebago. The guy asks Lynch what he needs, to which Lynch jokingly sayd RPGs. The guys says is that all, and they walk toward the winnebago.
I guess it explains a few things along with my Lynch isnt in the hotel room. Its a shame they didnt do more with the Lynch character, he had alot of potential
Thanks for the reply ! Yeah it would have been good to keep this scene to add extra meat to lynch's character who clearly needed it.
Is that all? They didn't show him winning it all?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 12, 2018, 08:38:49 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 11, 2018, 08:44:31 PM
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Quote from: Ramjet311 on Dec 10, 2018, 07:34:20 PM
Anyone with high expectations for the blu-ray extras, dont. Very ordinary all round. There are only 3 deleted scenes ( Although 1 explains how they came to own the Winnebago ) and a minute of Nettles outtakes. There are a few featurettes on Shane Black and the Predators, but its nothing that hasn't been seen. Very ordinary all round, i was expecting a lot more behind the scenes, deleted scenes etc
For the poorest of us, can you explain the winnebago scene please ? ;D
It is Lynch on his own going around the hotel carpark. He knocks out a bikey who gives him grief. Then he is standing in front of the Bikes ( choppers ) the loonies stole and a guy asks him about them, to which Lynch asks about his winnebago. The guy asks Lynch what he needs, to which Lynch jokingly sayd RPGs. The guys says is that all, and they walk toward the winnebago.
I guess it explains a few things along with my Lynch isnt in the hotel room. Its a shame they didnt do more with the Lynch character, he had alot of potential
Thanks for the reply ! Yeah it would have been good to keep this scene to add extra meat to lynch's character who clearly needed it.
Is that all? They didn't show him winning it all?
Nope. It is left open how he gets it
Blah. Even more rubbish.
I'm sick of crappy home releases.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 12, 2018, 09:10:43 AM
Blah. Even more rubbish.
I'm sick of crappy home releases.
Yep. Very disappointed with the lack of extras etc. They had a chance to win people back but i guess they dont care
It would be nice to see a documantary about all the decisions they did on the movie. How it came to the reshoots, what the thinkings were to change the ending and who was responsible for that. But that is studio politics they would never show.
Is there an audio commentary by Shane black on that home release?
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Quote from: Ramjet311 on Dec 11, 2018, 06:39:50 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 11, 2018, 02:07:52 AM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Dec 10, 2018, 07:34:20 PM
Anyone with high expectations for the blu-ray extras, dont. Very ordinary all round. There are only 3 deleted scenes ( Although 1 explains how they came to own the Winnebago ) and a minute of Nettles outtakes. There are a few featurettes on Shane Black and the Predators, but its nothing that hasn't been seen. Very ordinary all round, i was expecting a lot more behind the scenes, deleted scenes etc
For the poorest of us, can you explain the winnebago scene please ? ;D
It is Lynch on his own going around the hotel carpark. He knocks out a bikey who gives him grief. Then he is standing in front of the Bikes ( choppers ) the loonies stole and a guy asks him about them, to which Lynch asks about his winnebago. The guy asks Lynch what he needs, to which Lynch jokingly sayd RPGs. The guys says is that all, and they walk toward the winnebago.
I guess it explains a few things along with my Lynch isnt in the hotel room. Its a shame they didnt do more with the Lynch character, he had alot of potential
Thanks for the reply ! Yeah it would have been good to keep this scene to add extra meat to lynch's character who clearly needed it.
Definitely, Lynch had so much potential, especially having rewatched the film a few times. He has possibly one of the best lines of the movie, which i only just picked up on. He is telling Coyle how if Forrest Gump had just looked at the side of the box of chocolates, he would have known what he was getting. Its just after Baxleys " f**k me in the face with an Aardvark "
Yes the forrest gump line had me laughing hard !
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 12, 2018, 02:07:16 PM
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 11, 2018, 02:07:52 AM
Quote from: Ramjet311 on Dec 10, 2018, 07:34:20 PM
Anyone with high expectations for the blu-ray extras, dont. Very ordinary all round. There are only 3 deleted scenes ( Although 1 explains how they came to own the Winnebago ) and a minute of Nettles outtakes. There are a few featurettes on Shane Black and the Predators, but its nothing that hasn't been seen. Very ordinary all round, i was expecting a lot more behind the scenes, deleted scenes etc
For the poorest of us, can you explain the winnebago scene please ? ;D
It is Lynch on his own going around the hotel carpark. He knocks out a bikey who gives him grief. Then he is standing in front of the Bikes ( choppers ) the loonies stole and a guy asks him about them, to which Lynch asks about his winnebago. The guy asks Lynch what he needs, to which Lynch jokingly sayd RPGs. The guys says is that all, and they walk toward the winnebago.
I guess it explains a few things along with my Lynch isnt in the hotel room. Its a shame they didnt do more with the Lynch character, he had alot of potential
Thanks for the reply ! Yeah it would have been good to keep this scene to add extra meat to lynch's character who clearly needed it.
Definitely, Lynch had so much potential, especially having rewatched the film a few times. He has possibly one of the best lines of the movie, which i only just picked up on. He is telling Coyle how if Forrest Gump had just looked at the side of the box of chocolates, he would have known what he was getting. Its just after Baxleys " f**k me in the face with an Aardvark "
Yes the forrest gump line had me laughing hard !
God i wish the Loonies would get there own spinoff prequel. Easily the best part of the film
They should just pick out the scenes with the loonies, do reshoots to a new different movie and throw away the rest of the footage.
No it's just fun, but the loonies really saved a small part of the movie and made it somehow enjoyable.
Thanks. Rushed to see this opening day and hated it, but was still considering picking up the Blu-ray for the deleted scenes. Now I won't waste my money. Sucks to because I am a predator fan and a die-hard Shane black fan but this movie was trash
They will do Super dooper version I'm sure.
Still... I think it might be the first Alien/Pred movie I wont own. Along with Star Wars The Last Jedi....
Collections getting busted up all over the shop.
Star Wars the Last Jedi was an Alien/Predator movie ???
I think he's making the point that both in long running franchises with subpar entries.
They're both the first he won't own from each on home media.
Quote from: The Old One on Dec 19, 2018, 05:14:34 PM
I think he's making the point that both in long running franchises with subpar entries.
They're both the first he won't own from each on home media.
I think Sil was just exploiting (for fun) the way Highland typed his post. ;)
Quote from: The Old One on Dec 19, 2018, 05:14:34 PM
I think he's making the point that both in long running franchises with subpar entries.
They're both the first he won't own from each on home media.
I want old one posts following each of my regular posts.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 19, 2018, 05:55:35 PM
I think Sil was just exploiting (for fun) the way Highland typed his post. ;)
He gets it.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 20, 2018, 06:55:00 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Dec 19, 2018, 05:14:34 PM
I think he's making the point that both in long running franchises with subpar entries.
They're both the first he won't own from each on home media.
I want old one posts following each of my regular posts.
As The Old One's legal representation, you do realize there will be reoccurring charge for this.
I'll draw up the contracts.
I picked it up for the art book and because I own every other film in the Alien and Predator series so the completionist in me had to have it.
Yeah deleted scenes are a waste of time for the most part. I mean what about the cut part with the two Predators that were supposed to help them out or something. If NECA can make figures of them for the fun of it, couldn't they have given us something from that on the home release.
I really wish we could have seen the Edward James Olmos scenes. Excluding them seems like a real missed opportunity. :-[
Thelma be on YouTube eventually, I dont get why they wouldn't release it I the deleted scenes but I cant see them never releasing them. I dont think there has ever been deleted scenes that were never eventually released.
We still haven't seen half of what was cut from AvPR, and even Alien 3 has deleted material only seen in a leaked workprint. P2 has deleted material we'll never see. AvP even has some deleted material we haven't seen fully released -- Grid made it to the surface before being blown up, as evidenced in the trailers, but we've never seen the whole sequence.
And if anyone has a copy of the original cut of The 13th Warrior, aka Eaters of the Dead, I would be soooo happy ...
Yeah, I'm disappointed with the deleted scenes. It left a lot to be desired to say the least and I don't even think there is a commentary to play during the movie. I don't feel like they will ever release the APC/Emissary Pred scenes unfortunately, but there is a damn fine shot of one of the Emissary Predators during the A Touch of Black featurette.
(https://i.imgur.com/SuhhFaN.jpg)
Its a shame really... there is a decent and more coherent movie somewhere on the cutting room floor.
Holy crap, that might actually be my favourite shot of an ADI Predator face.
Quote from: PredBabe on Dec 21, 2018, 06:38:59 AM
there is a decent and more coherent movie somewhere on the cutting room floor.
More coherent, for sure. Decent...I'm not so sure. ;)
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2018, 06:48:31 AM
Holy crap, that might actually be my favourite shot of an ADI Predator face.
Agreed. Unfortunately, that very same Predator, with a little more light and resolution becomes....
Crab-Man! :-\
Everything from the eyes down is so flat.
Crab-Man indeed.
Is it just me or does he look depressed or stoned in the Crabman-pics ?
Quote from: The Kurgan on Dec 21, 2018, 02:34:08 PM
Is it just me or does he look depressed or stoned in the Crabman-pics ?
LOL. I don't know. Can crabs get depressed? Enquiring minds would like to know!
https://tinyurl.com/DepressedCrab
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 21, 2018, 11:11:58 AM
Agreed. Unfortunately, that very same Predator, with a little more light and resolution becomes....
Crab-Man! :-\
Yeah, dude, again, you need to stop comparing BTS shots to properly lit scenes.
Quote from: PredBabe on Dec 21, 2018, 06:38:59 AM
Its a shame really... there is a decent and more coherent movie somewhere on the cutting room floor.
Assembly Cut by 2030, maybe.
Quote from: PredBabe on Dec 21, 2018, 06:38:59 AM
Yeah, I'm disappointed with the deleted scenes. It left a lot to be desired to say the least and I don't even think there is a commentary to play during the movie. I don't feel like they will ever release the APC/Emissary Pred scenes unfortunately, but there is a damn fine shot of one of the Emissary Predators during the A Touch of Black featurette.
(https://i.imgur.com/SuhhFaN.jpg)
Its a shame really... there is a decent and more coherent movie somewhere on the cutting room floor.
Whoa!!! That's amazing.
Quote from: The Old One on Dec 21, 2018, 04:44:48 PM
https://tinyurl.com/DepressedCrab
Haha. Thanks for that!
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2018, 07:23:39 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 21, 2018, 11:11:58 AM
Agreed. Unfortunately, that very same Predator, with a little more light and resolution becomes....
Crab-Man! :-\
Yeah, dude, again, you need to stop comparing BTS shots to properly lit scenes.
First, Stan Winston's designs looked good behind the scenes, night, day, properly lit or not.
Second, what are you judging as a properly lit scene? You're liking a camera pic pointed at a television screen, taken while the television is playing behind-the-scene footage on "The Predator" blu-ray and declaring the lighting in that as proper. But look at the attached pic. It's from the same cut, same background and he looks like a Crab-Man. :P
Third, Stan Winston's designs looked good behind the scenes, night, day, properly lit or not. (It's worthy of repeating)
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Dec 21, 2018, 10:56:06 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Dec 21, 2018, 06:38:59 AM
there is a decent and more coherent movie somewhere on the cutting room floor.
More coherent, for sure. Decent...I'm not so sure. ;)
I was literally about to say this, word for word.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 21, 2018, 11:58:46 PM
First, Stan Winston's designs looked good behind the scenes, night, day, properly lit or not.
The bug-eyed close-up animatronic face in the second movie is the goofiest looking thing in the series. Goofier than Scar's surprise face.
QuoteSecond, what are you judging as a properly lit scene? You're liking a camera pic pointed at a television screen, taken while the television is playing behind-the-scene footage on "The Predator" blu-ray and declaring the lighting in that as proper. But look at the attached pic. It's from the same cut, same background and he looks like a Crab-Man. :P
I mean a scene that's been lit by a director of photography and his team to get the most out of the effect. It's a phone grab of a scene that has intentionally lit. The one you attached still looks good, despite the blown highlights. It doesn't look anywhere near as bad as you're desperately trying to make out.
QuoteThird, Stan Winston's designs looked good behind the scenes, night, day, properly lit or not. (It's worthy of repeating)
The bug eyes are really silly (It's worth repeating).
Yes-
The animatronic eyes in Predator 2
aren't the best.
But everything else is superb,
correct lighting or not.
I can't say the same for any of the ADI Predators.
There's not a single one that looks good. IMO.
Wolf and Fugitive,
serviceable with masks though.
Quote from: The Old One on Dec 22, 2018, 01:57:45 AM
Yes, the animatronic eyes in Predator 2
aren't the best.
But everything else is superb,
correct lighting or not.
The whole animatronic face is a mess in motion. It doesn't cut with the mask well at all.
I'm not saying the Emissaries are suddenly on the level of the originals -- but they look a shitload better when they're lit carefully than in behind the scenes social media photos.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 21, 2018, 11:58:46 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Dec 21, 2018, 04:44:48 PM
https://tinyurl.com/DepressedCrab
Haha. Thanks for that!
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2018, 07:23:39 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 21, 2018, 11:11:58 AM
Agreed. Unfortunately, that very same Predator, with a little more light and resolution becomes....
Crab-Man! :-\
Yeah, dude, again, you need to stop comparing BTS shots to properly lit scenes.
First, Stan Winston's designs looked good behind the scenes, night, day, properly lit or not.
Second, what are you judging as a properly lit scene? You're liking a camera pic pointed at a television screen, taken while the television is playing behind-the-scene footage on "The Predator" blu-ray and declaring the lighting in that as proper. But look at the attached pic. It's from the same cut, same background and he looks like a Crab-Man. :P
Third, Stan Winston's designs looked good behind the scenes, night, day, properly lit or not. (It's worthy of repeating)
Yes my pic is just a quick snap from my phone of my television screen but the picture you are posting doesn't do the actual shot any justice. Your attached pic has more lighting and resolution to the point that it looks grainy. The actual footage is more crisp with good lighting. Add that plus the slow head turn and eye movement and you get an awesome clip of the Emissary predator and an idea of how they would have appeared in the actual movie.
Of course you can't compare it to Stan's designs but the point is it actually looked good in the proper lighting. This isn't the first case where a movie monster needed the right lighting and angles to have the right affect.
@SIL
True.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2018, 01:48:13 AM
The bug-eyed close-up animatronic face in the second movie is the goofiest looking thing in the series. Goofier than Scar's surprise face.
Ha, no way. No how.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/6s0Hz1d3gq2yI/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c1dab113059666949401892)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2Fbise2h.png&hash=5a1e5c0e8c5ba6232a3fccbe4335fc3c)
The Stan's Predator in P2 wins in design, realism, paint application, everything. The only thing that Scar's surprised face wins... is the Goofy Award.
Quote from: PredBabe on Dec 22, 2018, 02:04:33 AM
Yes my pic is just a quick snap from my phone of my television screen but the picture you are posting doesn't do the actual shot any justice. Your attached pic has more lighting and resolution to the point that it looks grainy. The actual footage is more crisp with good lighting. Add that plus the slow head turn and eye movement and you get an awesome clip of the Emissary predator and an idea of how they would have appeared in the actual movie.
Of course you can't compare it to Stan's designs but the point is it actually looked good in the proper lighting. This isn't the first case where a movie monster needed the right lighting and angles to have the right affect.
I hope my comment about your photo didn't come across as personal criticism. I do apologize if it did. I didn't intend it that way and I'm glad you shared the pic. :)
I do understand good lighting can make anything look better, especially if it's positioned as models would say "from my good side", but the more it moves and is turned away from that angle, it just appeared as the dreaded crab-face (imo). Which makes me miss Stan's designs because they never had the crab-face look and could look great in any light, any angle.
But to be honest, it's not all about Stan, because I was happy with KNB work in "Predators". So I'm just missing a certain level of quality that ADI struggles to achieve with Predators imo.
Now I'll give ADI credit that with AVP, AVPR and The Predator, they have improved with every film. But considering how long we have to wait for a new Predator film, I'm ready to pass the torch to another company. Time for some new creative blood. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 22, 2018, 03:16:19 AM
Ha, no way. No how.
I dunno, I think your GIF neatly illustrates how cartoonish the P2 puppet was. It doesn't feel real at all.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2018, 04:07:53 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 22, 2018, 03:16:19 AM
Ha, no way. No how.
I dunno, I think your GIF neatly illustrates how cartoonish the P2 puppet was. It doesn't feel real at all.
I guess we just see it differently. Cheers.
You're very welcome.
Happy to help.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 21, 2018, 11:11:58 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2018, 06:48:31 AM
Holy crap, that might actually be my favourite shot of an ADI Predator face.
the first pictures I saw of them looked kind of cheep but now that iv seen the animatronic and behind the scenes, they actualy look realy good, its ashame they were cut.
Agreed. Unfortunately, that very same Predator, with a little more light and resolution becomes....
Crab-Man! :-\
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 22, 2018, 03:16:19 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2018, 01:48:13 AM
The bug-eyed close-up animatronic face in the second movie is the goofiest looking thing in the series. Goofier than Scar's surprise face.
Ha, no way. No how.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/6s0Hz1d3gq2yI/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c1dab113059666949401892
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.tinypic.com%2Fbise2h.png&hash=5a1e5c0e8c5ba6232a3fccbe4335fc3c)
The Stan's Predator in P2 wins in design, realism, paint application, everything. The only thing that Scar's surprised face wins... is the Goofy Award.
Quote from: PredBabe on Dec 22, 2018, 02:04:33 AM
Yes my pic is just a quick snap from my phone of my television screen but the picture you are posting doesn't do the actual shot any justice. Your attached pic has more lighting and resolution to the point that it looks grainy. The actual footage is more crisp with good lighting. Add that plus the slow head turn and eye movement and you get an awesome clip of the Emissary predator and an idea of how they would have appeared in the actual movie.
Of course you can't compare it to Stan's designs but the point is it actually looked good in the proper lighting. This isn't the first case where a movie monster needed the right lighting and angles to have the right affect.
I hope my comment about your photo didn't come across as personal criticism. I do apologize if it did. I didn't intend it that way and I'm glad you shared the pic. :)
I do understand good lighting can make anything look better, especially if it's positioned as models would say "from my good side", but the more it moves and is turned away from that angle, it just appeared as the dreaded crab-face (imo). Which makes me miss Stan's designs because they never had the crab-face look and could look great in any light, any angle.
But to be honest, it's not all about Stan, because I was happy with KNB work in "Predators". So I'm just missing a certain level of quality that ADI struggles to achieve with Predators imo.
Now I'll give ADI credit that with AVP, AVPR and The Predator, they have improved with every film. But considering how long we have to wait for a new Predator film, I'm ready to pass the torch to another company. Time for some new creative blood. :)
Hahaha no worries! I get your point and I can't deny that there is a lot of BTS shots that make the Emissaries look off putting. I was just surprised at how good I thought it looked in that particular clip. I think they were really playing up on a crustacean look for the preds in this movie so you're probably right in thinking the design looks like a crab-man. But yes, I'd be curious to see someone else, other than ADI, have a go with designing a Predator for a future movie too. :)
At no point does the predator 2 animatronic face ever look as bad as scars face in AvP.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 24, 2018, 04:01:06 AM
At no point does the predator 2 animatronic face ever look as bad as scars face in AvP.
His googley eyes when Harrigan is right about to chop his arm off. Looks like something out of the original Mad Max ;D
"His googley eyes when Harrigan is right about to chop his arm off. Looks like something out of the original Mad Max" ;D
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/10PaGJNjPDgTCw/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c2068d33871704a5117aa17)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 24, 2018, 04:01:06 AM
At no point does the predator 2 animatronic face ever look as bad as scars face in AvP.
I definitely agree.
Bruh, that's Mad Max 2.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 24, 2018, 05:27:25 AM
Bruh, that's Mad Max 2.
Don't blame me! HuDaFuK was the one who revealed your secret identity to be Lord Humongous!
And to us Americans, it's called "The Road Warrior"! :P
Deleted scene let's you know Lynch is in charge behind Williams
Quote from: SiL on Dec 24, 2018, 04:33:48 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 24, 2018, 04:01:06 AM
At no point does the predator 2 animatronic face ever look as bad as scars face in AvP.
His googley eyes when Harrigan is right about to chop his arm off. Looks like something out of the original Mad Max ;D
That's because he's supposed to be looking surprised at the prospect of getting his arm chopped.
I never had much problems with the P2 face. I never stopped to think that it looked bad, not like every movie that ever came after it.
Even the Elders look 5 times better than anything else.
I noticed something on re-watching the lab scene in The Predator. They make his mandibles act like a crab with little movements, the original never did this, they were just moving when he wanted them to move.
Just another tick in the don't know how to make predator faces box.
Quote from: Highland on Jan 04, 2019, 04:57:26 AM
That's because he's supposed to be looking surprised at the prospect of getting his arm chopped.
Surprised is one thing, a bug-eyed cartoon is another.
QuoteI noticed something on re-watching the lab scene in The Predator. They make his mandibles act like a crab with little movements, the original never did this, they were just moving when he wanted them to move.
Just another tick in the don't know how to make predator faces box.
That's a directing thing, though. Black could tell them to stop moving the mandibles so much -- it's not like they were built to just wiggle uncontrollably.
Quote from: Highland on Jan 04, 2019, 04:57:26 AM
I noticed something on re-watching the lab scene in The Predator. They make his mandibles act like a crab with little movements, the original never did this, they were just moving when he wanted them to move.
The Predator is probably annoyed. They are two different creatures/characters anyway. Why is that
bad? :laugh:
Because Predator mandibles are like lips to us and it's just kind of weird for them to be flapping around the whole time.
Quote from: Highland on Jan 04, 2019, 04:57:26 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 24, 2018, 04:33:48 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 24, 2018, 04:01:06 AM
At no point does the predator 2 animatronic face ever look as bad as scars face in AvP.
His googley eyes when Harrigan is right about to chop his arm off. Looks like something out of the original Mad Max ;D
I never had much problems with the P2 face. I never stopped to think that it looked bad, not like every movie that ever came after it.
Even the Elders look 5 times better than anything else.
While I agree 100% with your feelings regarding the Predators looked bad after "Predator 2", specifically ADI's work in AVP, AVPR and The Predator (however they have shown improvement with each movie), how did you feel about the work done by KNB EFX in "Predators"?
QuoteI noticed something on re-watching the lab scene in The Predator. They make his mandibles act like a crab with little movements, the original never did this, they were just moving when he wanted them to move.
I noticed that too.
Another big problem, in my opinion, is the ADI Predators can no longer close their mouth, so to speak. Here is a shot from Predator, Predator 2, and The Predator featuring all three Yautjas
not roaring or speaking. In ADI's design, it can't close it's mouth.
(https://i.ibb.co/VQ89nW7/IMG-20190104-094427.jpg)
I think I'm safe in saying the general consensus of Predator fans is non-approving of ADI's changes, but even when it's brought up (much gratitude to The Old One), Alec from ADI dismisses the question.
I really need to stop poking around the Predator threads . . . but they're more entertaining than the Alien ones, and I'm an Alien fan. *coughs* Excuse me, Aliens fan.
I guess it's a bit more light hearted and less serious here ;D
But, but... the Mural.... ;) ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 04, 2019, 03:53:44 PM
But, but... the Mural.... ;) ;D
Common, David didn't create the xenomorph !
Everything in that ADI design is parallel
from the eyebrows to the mandibles,
to the teeth & flappy mouth skin abound.
Everything aforementioned
in the Stan Winston's Predators
are sitting at a diagonal.
There's an X going on that's
completely absent from
ADI's work.
The only Predator that's
been able to close his
mouth in thirty years,
is sadly The Upgrade-
the digital Predator.
And even then-
his mandibles are smaller
and arranged lower
than standard Predators.
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 04, 2019, 05:42:10 PM
Everything in that ADI design is parallel
from the eyebrows to the mandibles,
to the teeth & flappy mouth skin abound.
Everything aforementioned
in the Stan Winston's Predators
are sitting at a diagonal.
There's an X going on that's
completely absent from
ADI's work.
The only Predator that's
been able to close his
mouth in thirty years,
is sadly The Upgrade-
the digital Predator.
And even then-
his mandibles are smaller
and arranged lower
than standard Predators.
The X vs Parallel comparison is a real effective way to describe those differences. Thumbs up.
I don't know about you, but I give props to KNB EFX for trying to come close to Stan's design in "Predators". No it's not Stan Winston's work, but at least they didn't try to reinvent the wheel. So they're okay in my book.
(https://i.ibb.co/px3zkdC/IMG-20190104-134057.jpg)
The Predators' Predator
can't close his mouth either though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz6vac8H0uA
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 04, 2019, 08:36:35 PM
The Predators' Predator
can't close his mouth either though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz6vac8H0uA
You are absolutely right. The picture I posted above is the extent of closing its mouth. But compared to what we have been getting from ADI, it's like the lesser of two evils, times 100. ;D. That is why I can live with it.
* Edit - Plus it has the "X"
Is the Predator mouth going to become the next egg on the Sulaco? Or the next smooth vs. ridged head? Or the Skull?
Going to? It already has. ;)
But this one is no contest. It's even more lopsided than PREDATOR 2 versus predators. I still haven't come across someone taking a position where Stan's design isn't the better one.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 04, 2019, 09:11:13 PM
Going to? It already has. ;)
But this one is no contest. It's even more lopsided than PREDATOR 2 versus predators. I still haven't come across someone taking a position where Stan's design isn't the better one.
Huggs is still trying to amass an army for
Predators.
We're gonna stand our ground, like Lambert in the subway. Except we win.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 04, 2019, 09:14:27 PM
Huggs is still trying to amass an army for Predators.
We're gonna stand our ground, like Lambert in the subway. Except we win.
History will say our cause was just.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 04, 2019, 06:54:41 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 04, 2019, 05:42:10 PM
Everything in that ADI design is parallel
from the eyebrows to the mandibles,
to the teeth & flappy mouth skin abound.
Everything aforementioned
in the Stan Winston's Predators
are sitting at a diagonal.
There's an X going on that's
completely absent from
ADI's work.
The only Predator that's
been able to close his
mouth in thirty years,
is sadly The Upgrade-
the digital Predator.
And even then-
his mandibles are smaller
and arranged lower
than standard Predators.
The X vs Parallel comparison is a real effective way to describe those differences. Thumbs up.
I don't know about you, but I give props to KNB EFX for trying to come close to Stan's design in "Predators". No it's not Stan Winston's work, but at least they didn't try to reinvent the wheel. So they're okay in my book.
(https://i.ibb.co/px3zkdC/IMG-20190104-134057.jpg)
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I have had the same feelings with how KNB EFX did the visuals for the Classic Predator's face. Again, it isn't an exact replica of the first movie, but I was very satisfied with the classic's face and they had good lighting for a lot of shots, even the daytime scene in the film. So it worked ok for me.
(https://imgur.com/download/PCmUCwZ)
(https://i.imgur.com/2qy34tt.jpg)
I also appreciate a lot more of the design the Berserker Predator has now. I always liked the overall look of the Berserker, especially with the cool mask too. But the face design is very detailed and seems like a lot of work and thought went into it. The mandibles never really closed fully in any shots & the open mouth mandibles are a bit exaggerated in some shots too. Still, I feel like I gotta give the design some props for sure, especially now with how some of the Upgrade Predator (CGI Predator) in the new film was handled :/ I think I like a little more of the Berserker now when I get to actually see some real visuals and costume props used for him.
Quote from: pmaz11
I have had the same feelings with how KNB EFX did the visuals for the Classic Predator's face. Again, it isn't an exact replica of the first movie, but I was very satisfied with the classic's face and they had good lighting for a lot of shots, even the daytime scene in the film. So it worked ok for me.
Hear. Hear. It wasn't 100%, and while I love 100% (Stan's work), I'm not hellbent on demanding perfection either. When an FX crew alters characteristics inherent to the character's design is when I get frustrated (ADI's Crabators). But this I was happy with.
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QuoteI also appreciate a lot more of the design the Berserker Predator has now. I always liked the overall look of the Berserker, especially with the cool mask too. But the face design is very detailed and seems like a lot of work and thought went into it. The mandibles never really closed fully in any shots & the open mouth mandibles are a bit exaggerated in some shots too. Still, I feel like I gotta give the design some props for sure, especially now with how some of the Upgrade Predator (CGI Predator) in the new film was handled :/ I think I like a little more of the Berserker now when I get to actually see some real visuals and costume props used for him.
I do wonder in an alternate universe what Stan Winston's team would have done with the Bezerker Predator, but I digress. KNB EFX did a real nice job with the Bezerker. I am overall pleased with it too.
The only issues I have with KNB EFX's work is the practicality with the Hell-Hound design. How does it sprint being so top heavy? How does it eat & drink when its horns keep everything a distance away from it's mouth? How does it avoid getting its horns caught up in foilage when pursuing prey at high speeds? Etc. It's too bad, because with a little more real-world thought in that design, they could have been 3 for 3 in my opinion.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.liveauctiongroup.net%2Fi%2F32397%2F27919173_1.jpg%3Fv%3D8D5050230250840&hash=da422ecde4625b73dc115ff58f18cba75d385a64)
I actaully prefer the design and fx for fugitive to any of the knb preds.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 06, 2019, 01:33:09 PM
I actaully prefer the design and fx for fugitive to any of the knb preds.
So in light of KNB resembling Stan's work, do you prefer the Fugitive over Stan's work?
No, Stans work is perfect. The mouth looks and moves like a real creature and its unsurpassed. I prefer the preds in P1 and P2 to anything else since.
knb creatures just didnt look right to me. Especially the original because it can't move its jaw up and down, only its mandibles. It just looks like the mask it is. They all also feel somewhat like slow football players, similar but not as bad as in AvP. They dont feel quick or agile at all. The berserker face comes off as over designed and just looks silly. However nothing is as bad as Scars face though imo.
Its not all horrible in Predators but i think the fx are pulled off better for fugitive. Obviously predators is a far better movie than The Predator.
Edit- I have always thought Adrian Brody did a great job, Royce was a badass. They should have just made a sequel to predators with him as the lead again.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 06, 2019, 02:02:58 PM
However nothing is as bad as Scars face though imo.
Ha. Indubitably!
QuoteIts not all horrible in Predators but i think the fx are pulled off better for fugitive.
Fair enough. :)
QuoteEdit- I have always thought Adrian Brody did a great job, Royce was a badass. They should have just made a sequel to predators with him as the lead again.
Agreed. But the apparent model is no re-occurring characters in Predator movies, even the Predators themselves. It's quite an oddity.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 06, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
The only issues I have with KNB EFX's work is the practicality with the Hell-Hound design. How does it sprint being so top heavy? How does it eat & drink when its horns keep everything a distance away from it's mouth? How does it avoid getting its horns caught up in foilage when pursuing prey at high speeds? Etc. It's too bad, because with a little more real-world thought in that design, they could have been 3 for 3 in my opinion.
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There could be extra musculature along the cervical or thoracic spines and torso that would give the body enough strength to hold everything up. Also, the horns along the top and bottom are fairly apart from the head - I don't see how they could cause that great of an issue when eating. They might have some flexibility to them too, so they could aid in feeding/cutting through foliage. Who knows! We could have seen all this if they had re-used them in The Predator :(
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 06, 2019, 02:02:58 PM
No, Stans work is perfect. The mouth looks and moves like a real creature and its unsurpassed. I prefer the preds in P1 and P2 to anything else since.
knb creatures just didnt look right to me. Especially the original because it can't move its jaw up and down, only its mandibles. It just looks like the mask it is. They all also feel somewhat like slow football players, similar but not as bad as in AvP. They dont feel quick or agile at all. The berserker face comes off as over designed and just looks silly. However nothing is as bad as Scars face though imo.
Its not all horrible in Predators but i think the fx are pulled off better for fugitive. Obviously predators is a far better movie than The Predator.
Edit- I have always thought Adrian Brody did a great job, Royce was a badass. They should have just made a sequel to predators with him as the lead again.
Same :-\ I don't understand why new directors always want to start fresh instead of try to build on a previous storyline. Is it studio direction, like the studio is telling them to come up with something different, or just pride?
Quote from: Wysps on Jan 06, 2019, 04:32:31 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 06, 2019, 02:02:58 PM
Edit- I have always thought Adrian Brody did a great job, Royce was a badass. They should have just made a sequel to predators with him as the lead again.
Same :-\ I don't understand why new directors always want to start fresh instead of try to build on a previous storyline. Is it studio direction, like the studio is telling them to come up with something different, or just pride?
Royce was awesome. He just had this lethal aura and he did not talk around the fact he was a killer. And that he didn't do it for duty, money etc but most of all because he enjoyed the thrill of it.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 04, 2019, 12:08:31 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jan 04, 2019, 04:57:26 AM
I noticed something on re-watching the lab scene in The Predator. They make his mandibles act like a crab with little movements, the original never did this, they were just moving when he wanted them to move.
The Predator is probably annoyed. They are two different creatures/characters anyway. Why is that bad? :laugh:
Well like Sil said. It's the mouth. The Predators after the P1/2 look like the mouth is metal rods with latex folded (badly) over it.
The original looks solid, heavy. Really outisde of the terrible designs it just looks like they spent more money and had better products used on the P1 - 30 years ago.
Any Predator fan could list at least 5 things wrong with just the mandibles. It's not like a lil bit wrong. It's just wrong everywhere.
P2 has some really awful mandible action on the head worn by KPH, particularly in the slaughterhouse scene. One of the mandibles looks like it's barely functioning and kind of just snaps into place.
The left top mandible twitches a bit before throwing the disc-
but otherwise I can't see anything wrong.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 07, 2019, 08:26:51 AM
P2 has some really awful mandible action on the head worn by KPH, particularly in the slaughterhouse scene. One of the mandibles looks like it's barely functioning and kind of just snaps into place.
For sure the P2 is the worst head of the two. I'd still take it over the subsequent ones though by a large margin.
I'm not even sure who I'd give the closest too, maybe Predators classic, but it'd be a Bronze medal.
I have to say... I hate KNB's Classic Predator.
Not because it's the worst design ever.
But because I hate the idea that the "Classic JH" Predator Armor,
just came off the shelf- identical to the Predator 1987 Armor.
It completely takes me out of the film every time, with the lower quality face-
and an exact replica of the 1987 Predator- makes me feel like I'm watching a fanfilm.
Rather than directly replicating it.
Evoking the Classic Predator- as this design does;
(https://games.torrentsnack.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Alien-VS-Predator-PC.jpg)
I would have, much, much prefered.
It is for that reason, and that reason alone-
I prefer Fugitive's design then Wolf's design to KNB's design.
What is sad, it is the fact that Anytime P1, and Pus#y face P2 were made like 30 years ago, and with modern technology they can't make anything that would stand its ground to something made 30 years ago, mandibles unable to close is the most annoyng for me
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 07, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
The left top mandible twitches a bit before throwing the disc-
but otherwise I can't see anything wrong.
Bottom mandibles when he turns to Harrigan and snarls, the movement is very stiff (:14s), and again when he catches the disc the upper right one is pretty stiff.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 07, 2019, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 07, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
The left top mandible twitches a bit before throwing the disc-
but otherwise I can't see anything wrong.
Bottom mandibles when he turns to Harrigan and snarls, the movement is very stiff (:14s), and again when he catches the disc the upper right one is pretty stiff.
Yeah you're right, very hydraulic.
Still miles better than anything since when they work,
unfortunately.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 07, 2019, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 07, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
The left top mandible twitches a bit before throwing the disc-
but otherwise I can't see anything wrong.
Bottom mandibles when he turns to Harrigan and snarls, the movement is very stiff (:14s), and again when he catches the disc the upper right one is pretty stiff.
Analyzing like the Zapruder film! If that bothers ya, the Yoda puppet in "Empire Strikes Back" must make you nuts! :D
Stiff or not, still overall wonderful imo. Just wonderful. :o
Never once said it bothers me.
"P2 puppet" is "cartoonish". The mandibles "wiggle uncontrollably". "bug-eyed cartoon". And that is just this thread, excluding similar comments on alternate threads. No offense intended, bothers just seemed an appropriate word.
Can people not notice things without being bothered by them... ???
Quote from: SiL on Jan 07, 2019, 09:44:57 PM
Can people not notice things without being bothered by them... ???
Wow, so serious SiL! Don't sweat the small stuff!
I'm just wondering where you're coming from. It is possible to both point out flaws in things and still like them ;D
Quote from: SiL on Jan 07, 2019, 09:51:25 PM
I'm just wondering where you're coming from. It is possible to both point out flaws in things and still like them ;D
I agree. Bother doesn't equate to dislike. Childen bother their parents all the time, and parents always love them! (except maybe Huggsy of course ;))