What are some changes in the original quadrilogy movies you would have made to improve the movie or movies more to your liking?
Two things are off limit : No skull/No-skull discussion and Newt and Hicks die between Aliens and A3 ;D
Some things for Alien Resurrection i would have changed:
I would have Ripley 8 die during removal of the chestburster in A:R, so no Ripley 8 helping the crew of the Betty, Ripley stays dead. Staying with Resurrection i would have changed the setting from a military vessel to a WY vessel with research staff and mercenaries for security. No evacuation after the aliens break out of their cells and the mercs get the order to eliminate all witnesses to the illegal research.
Also i would have the weapons in A:R more akin to the previous designs. Maybe something similiar to the weapons they designed for A:CM.
What are some things you always wanted to change?
Resurrection's premise.
(Prometheus' writers)
Alien- Theatrical Version but with both slaps, from Lambert to Ripley to the Alien to Jones.
Cut out the terrible visual of switching from the fake Ash head to Ian Holm, use Ripley's arm obscuring the screen to bridge them.
Wouldn't have the Alien bouncing around the exterior of the shuttle, it just looks ridiculous.
Aliens- Special Edition but without the Jorden Family or the view of the colony before it's overrun.
Don't reuse footage of that Alien exploding in the Sentry guns sequence.
Cut Ripley's hospital nightmare on Gateway. The inference is enough.
Ripley and Hicks exchanging first names is corny but I can take or leave it.
A3 Special Edition- Cut the shot of the egg. Clean up the composites, no outlines.
Cut a couple instances of repeated dialogue. Cut "Spikey?" Or use the Dog instead of the Ox.
Cut "You're crazy."
Add an extra hour to ALIEN's running time. I want to see an even more leisurely paced & detailed account of the Nostromo's final voyage.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Nov 09, 2018, 09:10:54 PM
Add an extra hour to ALIEN's running time. I want to see an even more leisurely paced & detailed account of the Nostromo's final voyage.
Hmm.... can't tell if you're being serious....
A few changes to 'ALIENS' I'd make - and this would solve a lot of problems.
'ALIENS' is a great movie. Actually, it's a Great movie. There's no denying it - but it has caused problems for being such an achievement. Some of the greatest film makers ever have attempted to make a sequel and had varying degrees of success. This would indicate to me that the problem doesen't like with these movie makers, Scott and Fincher in particular - but with 'ALIENS' itself.
'ALIENS' is almost too perfect. That's an important statement. It's a great, stand alone experience but it doesn't allow for much expansion. Hadley's Hope has been destroyed, arguably the derelict too and the Queen has been booted out the airlock. 'ALIENS' effectively closed off opportunities for sequels right there. Bang. What exactly is there to build on after that?
It's no wonder 'ALIEN 3' has problems - it can't even get started without bringing on board an egg of mysterious origin - that's not the movie's fault, 'ALIENS' left little to build upon. It's a closed experience with very little openings for advancement and Cameron wasn't interested in making a followup, either.
But what if he did want to see the series go beyond the 1986 film and decided one small change would be enough to advance 'ALIEN 3' into another movie, something more in tone with his sequel? What if 'ALIENS' was intended to be 2 movies?
If the series was intended to advance as a series of cohesive sequels rather than the piecemeal episodes we have seen then the logical conclusion to 'ALIENS' with a planned follow up would be to end the movie with the dropship landing back at the Sulaco. Make the big reveal of the Queen happen as a cliff hanger AFTER the 4 survivors had entered cryosleep.
Then the opportunity for more 'ALIENS' style action is set up for the next movie. Cameron's 'ALIEN 3' would start with the survivors being awakened by an emergency situation. The confrontation between Ripley and the Queen would take place 15 minutes into the film instead of at the end. Then the remainder of the movie, Ripley Hicks, Bishop and Newt have to find a way to deal with a Sulaco loaded with Alien eggs.
If Cameron was genuinely invested in advancing the story beyond his movie, he would have left an opening to do so. No such opportunity exists. The movie can - and is - too perfect in this regard. That's the basic change I'd make to it - I'd cut the ending with the Queen/Ripley encounter from the end of the movie and use it at the start of the third movie to propel its story along.
I love 'ALIENS' and 'ALIEN 3' - but it could have been very different result if the Director of the second movie approached the continuity of what followed with a little more foresight than seeing it as 'someone else's problem'. I'm glad 'ALIEN 3' takes a different direction, though. Diversity is a good thing.
-Windebieste
What?
The story could have went anywhere after Aliens, it was wide open. The derelict obviously came from somewhere and the next film was free to introduce new characters as well as bringing back old ones in a story that explored the jockeys or other locations where there could be more ships and eggs. I never understood why they felt they had to pick up immediately after aliens forcing themselves to add an alien egg with no logical explanation for how it got there. It showed such a lack of imagination.
Actually, yeah. You're right. A retcon is in order.
'ALIENS' should never have been made in the first place. It's so out of touch with everything Ridley Scott wanted in the first place.
LOL.
-Windebieste.
Sequels dont have to copy the film before in theme and tone. In fact one of my favorite things about aliens is that it follows a similar story structure to the first film, still continues the story logically, but makes it also feel like a completely different film through the tone, atmosphere, and themes.
Alien and aliens feel like siblings in that way. They just work.
I have to add that I do like Alien3 and dont want any of the films to be retconned. But it always bothered me how they couldnt imagine any other story other than one that starts with the Sulacos return trip.
Windebieste, I could not agree more. I've always thought about how difficult it must have been to write the third alien film after Aliens, since it does put an end to the events of both films.
My next option would be make Alien 3 with all new characters/story.
Or take a break between Aliens and Alien 3 to release a film based on the space jockeys. Not as Prometheus portrayed them.
Actually, a sequel to Aliens featuring a new cast could have been a good way to go. Ripley's story had a perfect ending, or at least a stepping off point where she could have returned down the line if need be. There's plenty of interesting storylines that can still be written involving the alien, regardless of whether she's a part of them or not. Unfortunately, I suspect FOX didn't have enough faith that the fan base would stick with the series if Ripley wasn't involved, so they just shoehorned her into an unnecessary sequel built on a flawed premise and here we are.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 09, 2018, 10:59:51 PM
What?
The story could have went anywhere after Aliens, it was wide open. The derelict obviously came from somewhere and the next film was free to introduce new characters as well as bringing back old ones in a story that explored the jockeys or other locations where there could be more ships and eggs. I never understood why they felt they had to pick up immediately after aliens forcing themselves to add an alien egg with no logical explanation for how it got there. It showed such a lack of imagination.
Hear! Hear!
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 09, 2018, 10:37:09 PM
'ALIENS' effectively closed off opportunities for sequels right there. Bang. What exactly is there to build on after that?
You replace 'ALIENS' with 'ALIEN3' and I agree with that statement.
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 09, 2018, 10:37:09 PM
A few changes to 'ALIENS' I'd make - and this would solve a lot of problems.
'ALIENS' is a great movie. Actually, it's a Great movie. There's no denying it - but it has caused problems for being such an achievement. Some of the greatest film makers ever have attempted to make a sequel and had varying degrees of success. This would indicate to me that the problem doesen't like with these movie makers, Scott and Fincher in particular - but with 'ALIENS' itself.
'ALIENS' is almost too perfect. That's an important statement. It's a great, stand alone experience but it doesn't allow for much expansion. Hadley's Hope has been destroyed, arguably the derelict too and the Queen has been booted out the airlock. 'ALIENS' effectively closed off opportunities for sequels right there. Bang. What exactly is there to build on after that?
It's no wonder 'ALIEN 3' has problems - it can't even get started without bringing on board an egg of mysterious origin - that's not the movie's fault, 'ALIENS' left little to build upon. It's a closed experience with very little openings for advancement and Cameron wasn't interested in making a followup, either.
But what if he did want to see the series go beyond the 1986 film and decided one small change would be enough to advance 'ALIEN 3' into another movie, something more in tone with his sequel? What if 'ALIENS' was intended to be 2 movies?
If the series was intended to advance as a series of cohesive sequels rather than the piecemeal episodes we have seen then the logical conclusion to 'ALIENS' with a planned follow up would be to end the movie with the dropship landing back at the Sulaco. Make the big reveal of the Queen happen as a cliff hanger AFTER the 4 survivors had entered cryosleep.
Then the opportunity for more 'ALIENS' style action is set up for the next movie. Cameron's 'ALIEN 3' would start with the survivors being awakened by an emergency situation. The confrontation between Ripley and the Queen would take place 15 minutes into the film instead of at the end. Then the remainder of the movie, Ripley Hicks, Bishop and Newt have to find a way to deal with a Sulaco loaded with Alien eggs.
If Cameron was genuinely invested in advancing the story beyond his movie, he would have left an opening to do so. No such opportunity exists. The movie can - and is - too perfect in this regard. That's the basic change I'd make to it - I'd cut the ending with the Queen/Ripley encounter from the end of the movie and use it at the start of the third movie to propel its story along.
I love 'ALIENS' and 'ALIEN 3' - but it could have been very different result if the Director of the second movie approached the continuity of what followed with a little more foresight than seeing it as 'someone else's problem'. I'm glad 'ALIEN 3' takes a different direction, though. Diversity is a good thing.
-Windebieste
Whoah!! The film is too good! Tone it down a little! Lol. That's just poppycock.
There's no indication actually in the film that Ripley's Barbecue destroyed the derelict. If it was close enough to Hadley's Hope that it would have been destroyed, then they would have all known about it.
Aliens left so much that could have been followed up on. 4 of the most loved characters survived. The derelict could have been explored. The only problem was that the most probable sequel would involve an exploration of the derelict which the studio clearly didn't want to pay for. Aliens simply set up something too awesome for a sequel and the studio totally "misunderestimated" the audiences appetite for that. They played it safe with a very muted sequel and the franchise paid the price.
Miraculously, 30 years later, it's still not too late to fix the debacle that was Alien 3.
I would have ended Ripley's presence in the franchise arc with the end of Aliens. It was the natural and fitting place to say goodbye to her character.
Newt, on the other hand, had great potential in Alien 3. Just as Ripley had unfinished business at the end of Alien '79 dealing with survivor guilt from her Nostromo experience (and also surviving her daughter); Newt, in film 3, would have unresolved issues following the death of her family at Hadley's Hope. Maybe, as an adult, she could have ended up on Fiorina instead of Ripley.
Hmmmm...
So Newt Jorden, mid-20s, fuelled by a search for justice, signs up with military intelligence to learn more about Weyland-Yutani's shady dealings. Ripley has retired, having raised Newt, and Hicks is nowhere to be seen. Newt receives a message from an anonymous informant about some suspicious activity in an off-world penitentiary being run by W-Y. So she flies there, crash lands (W-Y sabotage her ship before she leaves), gets rescued by the inmates, and discovers that the prison is a front to hide dangerous xeno experiments taking place in the basement (using the occasional inmate as research fodder). Newt organises a prison rebellion and eludes a stalking xeno before escaping in a visiting W-Y science vessel that shows up to deliver "product" to the basement laboratory. The vessel is the Auriga.
And on to the next movie...
Onboard the Auriga, Newt learns that years ago during the events of Hadley's Hope, Burke was beaten to Acheron by a secretive W-Y science team that managed to bag a few face-hugged colonists after they were hospitalised. One of them was Timmy Jorden. The Auriga scientists had cloned him to recover their first xeno. He is kind of Newt's brother (having his memories), but kind of isn't (exhibiting odd xeno behaviour). Caught while trying to free Timmy, the two are rescued by a W-Y lab assistant - in reality an undercover saboteur named Call, secretly embedded by a governmental special ops unit tasked with taking down W-Y. Newt and Timmy band together with Call to set a timed charge in the Auriga's fuel core. Call says a mercenary supply ship that is due to dock in a few hours is actually an extraction team organised by her special ops unit. If they can make the rendezvous in time, they can escape the explosion. Timmy uses his "xeno-senses" as they fight their way through a xeno breakout but he dies in the battle. Newt and Call make it to the extraction point as the rescue ship docks. The pilot is Hicks. Not there by chance, he's been undercover in the special ops unit for the past 15 years and he was the informant that gave Newt the initial lead about WY's Fiorina prison experiments. He dies in a battle fending off W-Y soldiers as Newt and Call escape in the rescue ship just as the Auriga explodes.
And on to the next movie...
The special ops unit has been disavowed and Newt and Call are on their own, still battling to bring down W-Y.
Rebecca "Newt" Jorden
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/1bbd732e1b98f8a6968fd2cbcc5a35bd/tumblr_o0o416I9NA1uze870o1_500.gif)
Tee hee :D
TC
:o. Tee... hee...
Quote from: TC on Nov 11, 2018, 03:57:58 PM
I would have ended Ripley's presence in the franchise arc with the end of Aliens. It was the natural and fitting place to say goodbye to her character.
Newt, on the other hand, had great potential in Alien 3. Just as Ripley had unfinished business at the end of Alien '79 dealing with survivor guilt from her Nostromo experience (and also surviving her daughter); Newt, in film 3, would have unresolved issues following the death of her family at Hadley's Hope. Maybe, as an adult, she could have ended up on Fiorina instead of Ripley.
Hmmmm...
So Newt Jorden, mid-20s, fuelled by a search for justice, signs up with military intelligence to learn more about Weyland-Yutani's shady dealings. Ripley has retired, having raised Newt, and Hicks is nowhere to be seen. Newt receives a message from an anonymous informant about some suspicious activity in an off-world penitentiary being run by W-Y. So she flies there, crash lands (W-Y sabotage her ship before she leaves), gets rescued by the inmates, and discovers that the prison is a front to hide dangerous xeno experiments taking place in the basement (using the occasional inmate as research fodder). Newt organises a prison rebellion and eludes a stalking xeno before escaping in a visiting W-Y science vessel that shows up to deliver "product" to the basement laboratory. The vessel is the Auriga.
And on to the next movie...
Onboard the Auriga, Newt learns that years ago during the events of Hadley's Hope, Burke was beaten to Acheron by a secretive W-Y science team that managed to bag a few face-hugged colonists after they were hospitalised. One of them was Timmy Jorden. The Auriga scientists had cloned him to recover their first xeno. He is kind of Newt's brother (having his memories), but kind of isn't (exhibiting odd xeno behaviour). Caught while trying to free Timmy, the two are rescued by a W-Y lab assistant - in reality an undercover saboteur named Call, secretly embedded by a governmental special ops unit tasked with taking down W-Y. Newt and Timmy band together with Call to set a timed charge in the Auriga's fuel core. Call says a mercenary supply ship that is due to dock in a few hours is actually an extraction team organised by her special ops unit. If they can make the rendezvous in time, they can escape the explosion. Timmy uses his "xeno-senses" as they fight their way through a xeno breakout but he dies in the battle. Newt and Call make it to the extraction point as the rescue ship docks. The pilot is Hicks. Not there by chance, he's been undercover in the special ops unit for the past 15 years and he was the informant that gave Newt the initial lead about WY's Fiorina prison experiments. He dies in a battle fending off W-Y soldiers as Newt and Call escape in the rescue ship just as the Auriga explodes.
And on to the next movie...
The special ops unit has been disavowed and Newt and Call are on their own, still battling to bring down W-Y.
Rebecca "Newt" Jorden
https://66.media.tumblr.com/1bbd732e1b98f8a6968fd2cbcc5a35bd/tumblr_o0o416I9NA1uze870o1_500.gif
Tee hee :D
TC
👏
Quote from: TC on Nov 11, 2018, 03:57:58 PM
I would have ended Ripley's presence in the franchise arc with the end of Aliens. It was the natural and fitting place to say goodbye to her character.
Newt, on the other hand, had great potential in Alien 3. Just as Ripley had unfinished business at the end of Alien '79 dealing with survivor guilt from her Nostromo experience (and also surviving her daughter); Newt, in film 3, would have unresolved issues following the death of her family at Hadley's Hope. Maybe, as an adult, she could have ended up on Fiorina instead of Ripley.
Hmmmm...
So Newt Jorden, mid-20s, fuelled by a search for justice, signs up with military intelligence to learn more about Weyland-Yutani's shady dealings. Ripley has retired, having raised Newt, and Hicks is nowhere to be seen. Newt receives a message from an anonymous informant about some suspicious activity in an off-world penitentiary being run by W-Y. So she flies there, crash lands (W-Y sabotage her ship before she leaves), gets rescued by the inmates, and discovers that the prison is a front to hide dangerous xeno experiments taking place in the basement (using the occasional inmate as research fodder). Newt organises a prison rebellion and eludes a stalking xeno before escaping in a visiting W-Y science vessel that shows up to deliver "product" to the basement laboratory. The vessel is the Auriga.
And on to the next movie...
Onboard the Auriga, Newt learns that years ago during the events of Hadley's Hope, Burke was beaten to Acheron by a secretive W-Y science team that managed to bag a few face-hugged colonists after they were hospitalised. One of them was Timmy Jorden. The Auriga scientists had cloned him to recover their first xeno. He is kind of Newt's brother (having his memories), but kind of isn't (exhibiting odd xeno behaviour). Caught while trying to free Timmy, the two are rescued by a W-Y lab assistant - in reality an undercover saboteur named Call, secretly embedded by a governmental special ops unit tasked with taking down W-Y. Newt and Timmy band together with Call to set a timed charge in the Auriga's fuel core. Call says a mercenary supply ship that is due to dock in a few hours is actually an extraction team organised by her special ops unit. If they can make the rendezvous in time, they can escape the explosion. Timmy uses his "xeno-senses" as they fight their way through a xeno breakout but he dies in the battle. Newt and Call make it to the extraction point as the rescue ship docks. The pilot is Hicks. Not there by chance, he's been undercover in the special ops unit for the past 15 years and he was the informant that gave Newt the initial lead about WY's Fiorina prison experiments. He dies in a battle fending off W-Y soldiers as Newt and Call escape in the rescue ship just as the Auriga explodes.
And on to the next movie...
The special ops unit has been disavowed and Newt and Call are on their own, still battling to bring down W-Y.
Rebecca "Newt" Jorden
https://66.media.tumblr.com/1bbd732e1b98f8a6968fd2cbcc5a35bd/tumblr_o0o416I9NA1uze870o1_500.gif
Tee hee :D
TC
If this was fleshed out into a novel, I'd read it.
I totally changed my mind from :o tee... hee....
This is the best pitch for Spaceballs 2 yet!
Emily Blunt? Yes, good choice.
As Rebecca Jorden... eh...
You could do more as a new character.
& Timmy? Christ No.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 09, 2018, 09:24:10 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Nov 09, 2018, 09:10:54 PM
Add an extra hour to ALIEN's running time. I want to see an even more leisurely paced & detailed account of the Nostromo's final voyage.
Hmm.... can't tell if you're being serious....
It would be neat to see the workprint, but only for crazy fanatics like myself.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 10, 2018, 02:27:32 PM
The derelict could have been explored. The only problem was that the most probable sequel would involve an exploration of the derelict which the studio clearly didn't want to pay for.
Well, not if you look at what A3 ended up costing.
No one had the right script, only Vincent Ward had the basic make-up of something compelling. IMO
The Virtual Workprint with the extra 20minutes is surprisingly watchable.
I wouldn't know tbh. ;D
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 12, 2018, 12:27:05 AM
Emily Blunt? Yes, good choice.
I always mind-cast her as the lead female in Twohy's Alien 3 script.
And Cillian Murphy is always the bad guy. Always. His performance in Cold Forge was legendary. At least in my brain. ;D
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 12, 2018, 12:27:05 AM
It would be neat to see the workprint, but only for crazy fanatics like myself.
And the later, tighter edit of ALIEN, that originally was eleven minutes longer before theatrical release.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 12, 2018, 01:38:34 AM
I wouldn't know tbh. ;D
Drop me your address and I'll send you a copy when I get the chance next week.
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 12, 2018, 03:30:34 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 12, 2018, 12:27:05 AM
Emily Blunt? Yes, good choice.
I always mind-cast her as the lead female in Twohy's Alien 3 script.
And Cillian Murphy is always the bad guy. Always. His performance in Cold Forge was legendary. At least in my brain. ;D
Yes, Emily would be perfect for the Alien series. I think she would be a great Amanda Ripley. She certainly looks a little bit like her.
Another point, i would have the Alien in A3 look like Aliens warriors or Big Chap. I always hated the idea of the alien taking host characteristics for some reason. The only dog characteristics the Dragon in A3 exhibits are the posture, the legs and arguably the behaviour anyway. So why not skip it and have it look like the specimens in the previous movies.
Because it's great idea and a great design in its own right.
It makes sense that it's essentially formless aside from a few constants-
Such as being gangly, the phalic head, Inner jaw, hands (Like the Facehugger) & exoskeletal.
& It allows for creativity with boundaries, so you don't go full Kenner or the AVPR PredAlien. Ugh
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 12, 2018, 06:27:27 PM
Because it's great idea and a great design in its own right.
It makes sense that it's essentially formless aside from a few constants-
Such as being gangly, the phalic head, Inner jaw, hands (Like the Facehugger) & exoskeletal.
& It allows for creativity with boundaries, so you don't go full Kenner or the AVPR PredAlien. Ugh
It sure makes sense and in theory it allows for great creatures but i just have not seen it done right. Iam not that versed in the recent EU, do they have some good non human Aliens?
Like you said, full Kenner is ridiculous and the Predalien is not much better if any.
IMO- the example, is the Runner.
Or concepts for the PredAlien that didn't make it, I've discussed before.
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Combination.
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 12, 2018, 09:10:20 PM
IMO- the example, is the Runner.
Or concepts for the PredAlien that didn't make it, I've discussed before.
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Combination.
I at least loved the head of the runner in Alien 3.
That's some nice predalien concept art. Much better than the shitty one we got in AVPR.
Still, i love my aliens in the space bug variant. I think the whole hive concept works better with more uniformity and minimal variation.
But thats just me. Totally see your point though.
The one thing I've always lamented them not doing in the original quadrilogy (I know it's not a word, sue me) is the meat locker hive scene in Alien 3. Something to show that the Alien actually had a plan beyond just butchering everyone.
Otherwise, I love the deleted scene from Alien where the crew debate what to do after Kane's been killed. It's a great dialogue sequence and Brett actually comes across as a little more pro-active in it, instead of just being Parker's lackey. I would've liked to have seen that included in the film.
Was that actually filmed?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 15, 2018, 12:46:42 PMWas that actually filmed?
The meat locker scene? No.
The one from Alien was though. It's in the Anthology.
Alien Anthology's top tier.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 15, 2018, 09:59:58 AM
The one thing I've always lamented them not doing in the original quadrilogy (I know it's not a word, sue me) is the meat locker hive scene in Alien 3. Something to show that the Alien actually had a plan beyond just butchering everyone.
Otherwise, I love the deleted scene from Alien where the crew debate what to do after Kane's been killed. It's a great dialogue sequence and Brett actually comes across as a little more pro-active in it, instead of just being Parker's lackey. I would've liked to have seen that included in the film.
Brett shows some initiative and Lambert shoots him down by calling him a "meat head". Strange that both versions of the deleted scene (1992 laserdisc and 2003 DVD) are only represented by a master shot and no mid-shots or close-ups, but elsewhere within the supplements, a mid-shot of Parker taking a seat can be found along with another shot of both Ripley and Dallas together.
I also wish the meat locker cocoon scene was filmed for A3. It's the only film in the original four without (used or not) a cocoon scene.
In Resurrection, I wouldn't have Ripley 8 be a passive bystander. As it is now, you could eliminate her and the story would end the same. I would have her decide to rescue Hillard when underwater, choosing to side with the humans.
Also, I would rework the idea of scientists needing human hosts for the aliens. There's no justification for that, since in Alien 3 the alien was born out of a dog.
Finally, I dig the idea of the Newborn being a hybrid freak that doesn't belong, much like Ripley 8 (and Call), but I would try to make it scary as well as tragic and choose a design that could actually, you know, move around.
Ripley saved them after Elgyn was killed.
And helps pilot the Betty out of dock.
And had no way of helping Hillard.
And really had no motivation to do so.
Aliens I would agree with the re-used alien shot.
Alien Resurrection I would just hire a different writer and director to start.
Prometheus.
I've would remove the exploding head scene.
And I've would remove the mutant Fiefeld plot.
Shit, There is a ton I 've would also change but those are my most hated parts.
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 18, 2018, 03:50:15 PM
Prometheus.
I've would remove the exploding head scene.
And I've would remove the mutant Fiefeld plot.
Shit, There is a ton I 've would also change but those are my most hated parts.
Yes, the exploding head was stupid. I would throw it out aswell.
I would keep mutant Fifield, but in the more neomorph like version they had intended before turing him into the zombie version in the movie.
What I like about zombie fiefield, is that in the event of an alien infestation on earth, there could also be a black goo virus which would turn people into similar zombies. That would make an excellent Netflix series. You'd have Aliens and zombies running around..
It's safe to assume it isn't a zombie.
Quote from: SM on Nov 18, 2018, 11:16:46 PM
It's safe to assume it isn't a zombie.
If only Ash knew.
Fifield is zombified though. He looks to be nothing more than a corpse on a rampage. Or does the goo also rewrite the dna in your brain... which would still make him zombified. Although if he is completely mutated into another species then when would it change from zombie to whatever he was becoming?
Ah so that's why Ash knew it wasn't a zombie, inside trade secret.
He looks like the elephant man, sometimes.
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Quote from: SM on Nov 18, 2018, 11:16:46 PM
It's safe to assume it isn't a zombie.
Are you in the wrong thread there with the movie quote! ;-)
It's as close to a zombie as you can imagine. Some zombie films featured creatures which were less zombies than Fifield. For all intents and purposes Fifield was dead. He became reanimated.
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 18, 2018, 03:50:15 PM
Prometheus.
I've would remove the exploding head scene.
And I've would remove the mutant Fiefeld plot.
Shit, There is a ton I 've would also change but those are my most hated parts.
Agree, I could care less about how confident they were with the prosthetic makeup, the design sucks, as simple as that. The Covenant concepts show us creepy imagery regarding the mutation process. At least it's better than a deformed caveman. >:(
(https://i.imgur.com/5D61Xbv.jpg)
I'm a fan of the CGI version though. Afterall, it can give us a clue of how the Deacon would move. However, the Neomorph did it better. :P
Fifield was mutated in both cases - not a reanimated zombie.
And makeup > CGI roided up Gollum.
I have to rewatch the film. Was pretty sure they found Fifield's body, dead. For all intents and purposes, having a planet full of Fiefields would be effectively a zombie apocalypse film.
The make-up is better than cgi..
I don't like the Fifield design, that doesn't mean I can't appreciate a proper monster makeup. Also, I like the balance between practical and digital effects. :)
The CG Fifield was generally pretty good - the live action version was just better in this instance.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 19, 2018, 01:13:26 AM
I have to rewatch the film. Was pretty sure they found Fifield's body, dead. For all intents and purposes, having a planet full of Fiefields would be effectively a zombie apocalypse film.
The make-up is better than cgi..
Fifield is nowhere to be seen when they find Millburn's body.
Oh, right, that was Mulburn's body with that thing in his mouth. Mea culpa.
There's a myriad of problems with Prometheus. :laugh:
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2018, 01:46:35 AMThe CG Fifield was generally pretty good - the live action version was just better in this instance.
The live action version was much more convincing, but I far prefer the CGI version's design.
I would take out the plot of him transforming into a monster entirely. This is the Alien franchise, it ought to be more creative than that.
Alien is a monster franchise.
Yes, But a creative one. Humans turning into aliens, isn't that the most basic shit ever? that's what me and my friends were playing around in my yard when we where kids. However, of course, there are exceptions, The Thing and District 9 are films that use this trope with great effect.
Side note, in Prometheus, what purpose did the Fifield monster scene serve the plot?
It basically served to reinforce the idea that they were wrong. They were so wrong.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 19, 2018, 09:39:02 PM
It basically served to reinforce the idea that they were wrong. They were so wrong.
Boy, did I love Noomi Rapace as Elizabeth Shaw. "Prometheus" was so wonderfully casted, and shines a spotlight on the lack of gravitas in Katherine Waterston and the "Alien Covenant" cast, in my opinion.
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 19, 2018, 07:32:44 PM
Yes, But a creative one. Humans turning into aliens, isn't that the most basic shit ever? that's what me and my friends were playing around in my yard when we where kids. However, of course, there are exceptions, The Thing and District 9 are films that use this trope with great effect.
Side note, in Prometheus, what purpose did the Fifield monster scene serve the plot?
Killing extras.
Similar to the hive scene in Aliens, or the QTC fire in Alien 3.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 15, 2018, 09:59:58 AM
The one thing I've always lamented them not doing in the original quadrilogy (I know it's not a word, sue me) is the meat locker hive scene in Alien 3. Something to show that the Alien actually had a plan beyond just butchering everyone.
Yeah, I really would have liked to have seen that too! Honestly, it's one of the things that bothers me most about the film, I think. I keep having ideas for my own go at rewriting Alien 3 and having the Alien actually abduct people for a nascent-hive and for the emerging Queen is one of the things I'd do if I ever got around to it.
Quote from: TheKurgan on Nov 18, 2018, 03:54:30 PM
I would keep mutant Fifield, but in the more neomorph like version they had intended before turing him into the zombie version in the movie.
I'd have been interested in seeing them go more with the whole mutating into something more traditionally Alien-like. Whether that was CG or practical. I do prefer that look over the one we got.
The mutant Fifield was an awful choice. Worst yet they didn't even show how he got out of that weird position. Yea that surely would need to be changed.
I'm not going into too much detail here, but for Alien 3 I would have preferred if Ripley and co made it back to Gateway with just a couple of stowaway facehuggers on board - no mystery egg. Being set on Gateway could also heighten the threat of the Alien reaching earth by being in such close proximity to it, which could lead to a pretty exciting climax if it was done right.
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I wouldn't know tbh. ;D
Drop me your address and I'll send you a copy when I get the chance next week.
What is this Virtual Workprint ?
Fan cut of Alien with all the deleted scenes put back in (I think).
Yeah, that's it in a nutshell. I think SiL did a thread on the differences many moons ago.
Here you go! https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=14410.0
Looks like it is available online in parts too.
https://thenostromofiles.com/2018/01/24/alien-redux-the-virtual-workprint/
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 21, 2018, 09:37:26 AM
The mutant Fifield was an awful choice. Worst yet they didn't even show how he got out of that weird position. Yea that surely would need to be changed.
Isn't it hilarious in that scene when Idris Elba's character comments on how the camera feed tells him Fifield right outside the ship when the monitor just shows a static shot of plain gravel? ;D
Another thing that really bugs me in the prequels is how the derelict/juggernaut crafts just became easy for humans/robots to use. it used to be the most alien thing about the first movie. I hate the line in covenant "this isn't a Weyland Yutani vessel" or something like it, Like really? what gave it away?
I believe Daniels is stating the obvious intentionally to be fair.
But I know what you mean- it's another element that's "no longer Alien" but
I do think the idea of organic buttons and organic fused with mechanical technology
is not only appropriate but unique as far as Sci-Fi is concerned.
I think the Engineers' uniqueness is undercut through by establishing that humans also
have holographic technology, it would've been a better contrast had that only been Engineer tech.
Quote from: SM on Nov 21, 2018, 12:07:19 PM
Fan cut of Alien with all the deleted scenes put back in (I think).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 21, 2018, 12:38:45 PM
Yeah, that's it in a nutshell. I think SiL did a thread on the differences many moons ago.
Here you go! https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=14410.0
Looks like it is available online in parts too.
https://thenostromofiles.com/2018/01/24/alien-redux-the-virtual-workprint/
Thanks guys
First i would bring back that weird metallic hissing sound that the original alien makes for the later films. It's very unique to the first alien. It's also hard to notice but it's there.
Aliens.
Would of removed all conversations to do with the Queen before Ripley meets her. Make the reveal more mysterious and shocking. Now we sort of get this in the Theatrical Cut but if I remember correctly they is a tiny hint of something that's laying the eggs. But in the director's cut, it's obvious that they will be a Queen when Hudson and Vaz talks about bee's and Hives.
When Bishop goes on his own to remote control the Drop Ship, I would of added a scene were a Xenomorph confronts Bishop and checks him out then the xeno just loses interest and goes away.
In A3
I would cast less British speaking actors and put in other prisoners from different foreign speaking languages so we get a diversity of both English and non english speaking people, just to create more confusion between the prisoners when trying to trap the Alien.
I would of kept Newt alive, because Ripley would also have to worry about protecting Newt from other threats, like convicted paedophiles and rapist within that prison. This would also make the end of the film very interesting, because if Newt was alive and Ripley was still hosting a Queen, would Ripley commit suicide? Would Ripley take Bishop 2 up on his offer to remove the embryo in desperate hope she can be with Newt?
What if Newt was carrying the Queen? obviously Newts not gunna take her own life and Ripley will do everything in her power to save her. Ripley would have to trust Bishop2 on his word. Either way this is were I would end A3 with both Ripley and Newt getting taking away with Bishop2 and his guards. I would leave it up to the audience to decide if Bishop2 saved them or not.
As for Hicks, if he also survived in my A3 I would have him be the one who takes the Alien out... but sorry people he won't survive he would sacrifice himself to save newt and Ripley.
Could probably think of other stuff to add or change but too tired.
Trusting Michael Bishop would be fundamentally against Ellen Ripley's character, so I have to immensely disagree.
I do believe Newt being the sole survivor rather than Morse would be more poignant though, but Carrie Henn aged.
So Dwayne Hicks would've been more feasible in that regard.
Perhaps you could flip the William Gibson script and have Newt's cryotube damaged,
so she and Dwayne Hicks could survive, with her- on ice- until the rescue team arrives.
I do love Alien³ -but that's the change I'd make, as Morse's sole survival always felt random.
I'd keep everything else mostly the same, of course major elements would have to be altered to include Cpl Hicks.
But the generally everything else would be similar, Clemens would still exist and last up until the end.
(Or at least until either the Alien is captured or Golic escapes and releases it.)
Alongside David, Dillion, Morse and 85.
Dwayne Hicks would end up with Ellen Ripley on the gantry.
Then subsequently leaving with Newt. End of Transmission.
Neill Blomkamp wants to retcon Alien³ sure- but I don't trust him specifically to do it better than David Fincher,
I don't think he's half the Director or can give it the appropriate emotional gravitas.
There's also the issue that after that the series would potentially become "The Adventures of Hicks 'n Noot"
which makes me want to throw up in my mouth. Because after ANY third Alien entry, it should move on to new characters.
But studios are cowardly, and if Hicks and Newt are alive they'll more than likely take that route.
Oh God, not Hicks and Newt surviving. Knowing our luck the studio would have Hicks staying on ice until he was awoken by an older Newt and they wind up surviving an falling in love together now that Ripley's dead. Gads, I think I hurled alittle.
That would be exactly the problem with it.
Still, Morse of all people making it is a little weird.
I stand by my original changes post.
Hix and Noot could be married and go on alien hunting adventures like a futuristic Ed and Lorraine Warren.
The Queen needs to be telegraphed in Aliens.
One of the issues with the Newborn was that it was so out of left field. If that had been telegraphed less people might've WTFed.
Yeah, a bit of foreshadowing doesn't hurt.
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2018, 05:02:34 AM
The Queen needs to be telegraphed in Aliens.
One of the issues with the Newborn was that it was so out of left field. If that had been telegraphed less people might've WTFed.
I always liked your idea of coming across the Queen already dead.
Yeah I think that would've worked better.
Just to continue on my last post.
I seriously think Ripley would not take her own life at this point if Newt was alive at the end of A3. I think she would go with Bishop2. The reason is, in Aliens she makes a point after the first Hive encounter that they can't go back to rescue the captured marines because it's too late, and them marines are being cocooned just like the others. But the second Newt gets taking away, she go's all Commando in the Hive to rescue her. Obviously mother instinct in Ripley has taking over at this point and she's willing to gamble on Hicks life, knowing the chances are small on rescuing Newt. Don't forget at this point Ripley still does not trust Bishop, and as far as she knows bishop could still have other motives just like Ash had. Well her gamble does pay off, she rescues Newt and Bishop turns out to be a good guy. (As long as you don't buy in to the theory that Bishop put the egg on the Sulaco) Also at the end of Aliens, Newt calls Ripley mother or mum when newt cuddles ripley after ripley blows the Queen out of the Airlock. This is another indication that Ripley now see's Newt as her new adopted daughter (don't forget Ripley has already lost Amanda due to drifting in space for 57 years) and Newt now see's Ripley as a mother figure. So in my A3 she would go with Bishop2 because she won't want to leave Newt in the hands of Weyland Yutani and not know her fate. For me Ripley would risk that gamble hoping Bishop 2 would save them both, then later Ripley would deal with Bishop2 and the weapons division if she somehow survives the removal of the Queen embryo in the operation that Bishop2 promises her. My Alien4 would be Ripley trying to prevent the weapons division from using the Xenomorphs as a weapon now that Weyland yutani have finally got there hands on the most deadliest weapon of all a queen alien.
At the end of Aliens, Ripley really has nothing to lose. The Aliens are toast. Hicks is on the dropship. The worst Bishop can do is leave her. Either she saves Newt, or they both die.
In your scenario, Ripley has everything to lose by trusting Bishop. She'd be risking humanity to see a little girl onto a ship -- a girl she'd then be jeopardising by letting the Company get their hands on the Alien. I think she'd still jump.
Nonsense, Ellen Ripley's not stupid- Newt or not- she wouldn't go with Michael Bishop and potentially doom the entire human race.
That's not Ellen Ripley.
Because the reality is, if Michael Bishop removed the embryo from Ellen Ripley he would probably kill her the second afterwards he does.
Or even more likely, he has no intention of removing it and lets it Chestburst so premature removal doesn't kill it.
Sorry, but an infected Ellen Ripley making it out of Alien³ is bullshit of the most egregious magnitude.
It's both against the fundamentals of her character and the realism the universe is built on.
Part of the Alien universe's "realism" that you speak of stems from the likelihood of events happening. All of Alien 3 is unlikely. The most likely scenario is that Ripley and co go into hiding after Aliens, only to resurface if they find out in their lifetime that someone found more Aliens.
Wasn't the contention.
Aliens is also unlikely, the colony set-up on LV-426 is convenient no matter what way you spin it.
But I accept it because it's the set-up and it has some rationale to it, the same applies to Alien³ IMO.
Ripley couldn't have survived Alien 3. She was moments from bursting when the recue team arrived. Even though she didn't burst in the AC, she may well have within another minute or two. Either way, she was toast, even if Bishop had been sincere, which he wasn't.
She was not making it to any ship or cryo pod. She ran out of time at some point before they walked through the door.
Going from my last post and reading the negitive replies.
I knew this would be seen as a negative move for Ripleys character, but sometimes you have to make decisions that are out of your control. For mother's and father's of AvP galaxy would you try in desperation to save yourself to make sure ur child would be safe in the hands of Weyland Yutani? (even if the chances are your child won't be?) or would you jump in to the lava pot and not know the fate of ur own child? Now I know Newt ain't her real daughter, but they already made a strong enough bound and been through a lot at this point Newt and Ripley's relationship would be mother and daughter. I would make Ripley do a massive gamble even if it means costing humanity and try and fix the scenario in my A4... However what if Newt was carrying the embryo at the end of A3 would Ripley sacrifice Newt to save humanity or would she let her go with Bishop 2 in hopes of saving Newt so she could at least biding time so she can come up with a planB? A bit off Topic but in The Last of Us
Spoiler
I love the ending cos Ellie could of possibly "but not guaranteed" to save humanity, but it would cost Ellie her own life. But Joel grown found of Ellie and now treats her as his own daughter. He decides to rescue her rather then sacrifice her for the better of humanity because they bound is soo strong at this point that Joel see's Ellie as his child. Ellie would of possibly willingly give her own life to save humanity but Joel did not want to lose another daughter and was willing to gamble that wager.
Also yes I know Ripley was about to pop the Queen at the end of A3 but the name of this topic is what would you change.
Edit: dam spell checker on phone
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2018, 09:21:23 AM
Yeah I think that would've worked better.
Interesting idea. I'd love to hear more about your take on that.
If we're to believe that Ripley didn't check the one place there could conceivably be an egg before sticking herself and Newt into cryosleep, then that makes her pretty damn stupid. :)
Considering the Queen already snuck aboard, Ripley would have combed/scanned the entire ship first before cyrosleep.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Nov 30, 2018, 09:18:39 PM
If we're to believe that Ripley didn't check the one place there could conceivably be an egg before sticking herself and Newt into cryosleep, then that makes her pretty damn stupid. :)
I made the argument once. Shame that there is no technology that far in the future to sweep for biological contaminants aboard a military vessel going on a bug hunt.
There's no scanning, obviously- (In Alien, Aliens, Alien³) otherwise they wouldn't use such rudimentary technology as motion trackers.
And it's hard to use a motion tracker to detect a stationary object.
Providing the egg/facehugger(s) didn't manuever until everyone was already in cryosleep.
Ripley's new daughter is on board. Have to comb every inch physically, seal the doors, section by section, with motion detection and any other scanning abilities available before entering hypersleep.
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Too bad she probably did, but she probably also missed a couple or more vents.
And these things tend to have acid blood that eats through material.
As we can see the Facehugger can release on command when it eats through Kane's helmet.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 30, 2018, 09:42:49 PM
Ripley's new daughter is on board. Have to comb every inch physically, seal the doors, section by section, with motion detection and any other scanning abilities available before entering hypersleep.
https://i.giphy.com/media/xXXhLy1M4RML6/giphy.webp
Yah, literally. Somebody wake up Hicks. He should pitch in with the search.
Man, Alien 3 is such a farce. Every time I start to really enjoy the film it falls apart for me on it's premise. The film only really works if the previous 2 films never happened. This way, you just have a random woman crashing an eev onto the planet and nobody knows what went before. Then it's a great film. Alien 3 is like the Chinese Democracy album from Guns N' Roses. It is good, but when you consider it in the context of the other work, it falls flat. If you consider it on its own merits, it's awesome.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 30, 2018, 09:42:49 PM
Ripley's new daughter is on board. Have to comb every inch physically, seal the doors, section by section, with motion detection and any other scanning abilities available before entering hypersleep.
https://i.giphy.com/media/xXXhLy1M4RML6/giphy.webp
Well yeah, it's not like they were short on time after all, although they only really needed to check the dropship landing gear.
Good job not acknowledging the established facts in the franchise I brought up, so your POV's don't fall apart.
Not trying to be antagonistic, but if you follow the logic of the established universe-
there's nothing farcical about Alien³'s intro, once you think about it.
Other than arguably who dies in the EEV crash.
@Perfect-Organism
@Rankles75
No disrespect, as I have read your point of view, but I just don't think I agree. If I were Ripley, I probably would not have gone to the crio-tubes for a few days after the entire Aliens fiasco for fear that I missed something. I would have compiled all traces of the Alien and destroyed them or jettisoned them or plugged in Bishop so he could run an analysis. He was well enough together after the film to handle that kind of task.
True, he does say in Alien³- "The company knows everything that happens on the ship, it all goes into the computer."
But my supposition is that, based upon what happened the Facehuggers hid until the crew were unconscious.
Then burned their way into the cryobay with their blood and inadvertently caused the electrical fire.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Nov 30, 2018, 09:18:39 PM
If we're to believe that Ripley didn't check the one place there could conceivably be an egg before sticking herself and Newt into cryosleep, then that makes her pretty damn stupid. :)
Does it
rankle you?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2018, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Nov 30, 2018, 09:18:39 PM
If we're to believe that Ripley didn't check the one place there could conceivably be an egg before sticking herself and Newt into cryosleep, then that makes her pretty damn stupid. :)
Does it rankle you?
There you go, starting
trouble again...
locally. But, it is a
perfect-organism afterall, so anything goes.
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 01, 2018, 12:39:39 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2018, 11:46:12 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Nov 30, 2018, 09:18:39 PM
If we're to believe that Ripley didn't check the one place there could conceivably be an egg before sticking herself and Newt into cryosleep, then that makes her pretty damn stupid. :)
Does it rankle you?
There you go, starting trouble again...locally. But, it is a perfect-organism afterall, so anything goes.
Come on guys,
hugg it out..
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Nov 30, 2018, 07:45:45 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2018, 09:21:23 AM
Yeah I think that would've worked better.
Interesting idea. I'd love to hear more about your take on that.
I can't claim it - I nicked it from a old mate at the Gamegossip forums. But the general idea is that the survivors come across the Queen torn to pieces at some point and wonder what could've done it. It plants the seed that there's something nastier on board.
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Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2018, 09:21:23 AM
Yeah I think that would've worked better.
Interesting idea. I'd love to hear more about your take on that.
It's can't claim it - I nicked it from a old mate at the Gamegossip forums. But the general idea is that the survivors come across the Queen torn to pieces at some point and wonder what could've done it. It plants the seed that there's something nastier on board.
Interesting. Could you elaborate on which survivors, what ship, and where in the timeline this would've taken place?
Not really. Just have a scene somewhere in the middle, they find Vriess, they find the clones, they find Purvis, they find the dead Queen.
Ah, I was just unsure of where in the timeline this was to take place. During Isolation? Between Alien 3 and 4? Something like that. But now, I see it. It's an interesting idea for sure.
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Nov 30, 2018, 07:45:45 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2018, 09:21:23 AM
Yeah I think that would've worked better.
Interesting idea. I'd love to hear more about your take on that.
I can't claim it - I nicked it from a old mate at the Gamegossip forums. But the general idea is that the survivors come across the Queen torn to pieces at some point and wonder what could've done it. It plants the seed that there's something nastier on board.
I love it. Definitely could've been a creepy scene.
Ya, I wonder if they filmed it..
It was never written like that.
Yeah. It was just a fan idea to improve the film.
that would have worked really well
if that was a riddles flick, we'd never see what killed the queen
gotta set up the sequel!
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 30, 2018, 10:40:42 PM
Good job not acknowledging the established facts in the franchise I brought up, so your POV's don't fall apart.
Not trying to be antagonistic, but if you follow the logic of the established universe-
there's nothing farcical about Alien³'s intro, once you think about it.
Other than arguably who dies in the EEV crash.
@Perfect-Organism
@Rankles75
And what "established facts" are these, pray tell? :)
Quote from: SM on Dec 01, 2018, 08:13:03 PM
Not really. Just have a scene somewhere in the middle, they find Vriess, they find the clones, they find Purvis, they find the dead Queen.
I dig.
Having rewatched the first two films I think the only thing I'd change is not having Newt scream every five minutes.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
Having rewatched the first two films I think the only thing I'd change is not having Newt scream every five minutes.
But that's why she got the job... why hire someone for their scream if you ain't gonna have them scream. It's also not as irritating a scream as some others.
I didn't say don't scream at all, I said not as often.
In the special edition, I think I remember her screaming 3 times. Maybe 4 tops. And that is because of the one big scream edited back into the film.
No, I'm not rewatching the film to count how many times Newt screams. ::)
Great. Whatever number it is, I would like it to be less than that.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 03, 2018, 02:52:42 AM
No, I'm not rewatching the film to count how many times Newt screams. ::)
Do it.
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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 03, 2018, 02:52:42 AM
No, I'm not rewatching the film to count how many times Newt screams. ::)
Do it.
Dammit! Now I know the next time I watch the film I'll count subconsciously. Don't ruin Aliens for me bro!
When her dad gets huggered.
When they're attacked by the huggers in medlab.
When the explosion blows her down the vent.
When the Alien takes her.
When the hugger starts to come out of the egg.
When the Queen reaches for her on the Sulaco.
When shes getting sucked out into space.
From memory?
Yeah I might've missed some.
That's pretty much all of it. Most of those are condensed into the last act or so, which is why it feels almost incessant.
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHH
Quote from: SM on Dec 03, 2018, 05:31:42 AM
Yeah I might've missed some.
Angels and ministers of grace, defend us!
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Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 03, 2018, 05:54:44 AM
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:laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Dec 03, 2018, 05:35:03 AM
That's pretty much all of it. Most of those are condensed into the last act or so, which is why it feels almost incessant.
You didn't count when she screams for Hudson? That pulls at my frozen heartstrings every single time.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 03, 2018, 05:54:44 AM
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHH
Keep it going! SiL loves it! ;D
Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 02, 2018, 08:16:24 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Nov 30, 2018, 10:40:42 PM
Good job not acknowledging the established facts in the franchise I brought up, so your POV's don't fall apart.
Not trying to be antagonistic, but if you follow the logic of the established universe-
there's nothing farcical about Alien³'s intro, once you think about it.
Other than arguably who dies in the EEV crash.
@Rankles75
...
There's no scanning, obviously- (In Alien, Aliens, Alien³) otherwise they wouldn't use such rudimentary technology as motion trackers.
And it's hard to use a motion tracker to detect a stationary object.
Providing the egg/facehugger(s) didn't manuever until everyone was already in cryosleep.
+
Too bad she probably did look, but she probably also missed a couple or more vents.
And these things tend to have acid blood that eats through material.
As we can see the Facehugger can release on command when it eats through Kane's helmet.
+
"The company knows everything that happens on the ship, it all goes into the computer."
But my supposition is that, based upon
what did happen the Facehuggers hid until the crew were unconscious.
Then burned their way into the cryobay with their blood and inadvertently caused the electrical fire.
No real need for scanning/motion trackers, when you know the only place there could possibly be an egg is in the landing gear. A flashlight and 5-10 minutes of searching is all you'd need. Although, of course, the egg wasn't in the landing gear or any vent. It was hanging upside down (for some reason) in a completely random location.
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I mean, the presence of an egg in the first place is daft enough, but sticking it upside down? Why would they even do that? It's almost like they were deliberately taking the piss at that point. :)
Personally, I can forgive Newt's screaming. If I was in that situation, I probably wouldn't stop. :D
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I'm going to take a page from mandiblegate, and say the lips are wrong.
What kind of egg is this? It looks like Sam from Trick r Treat had his head popped off and stuck to the ceiling.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 03, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Personally, I can forgive Newt's screaming. If I was in that situation, I probably wouldn't stop. :D
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHH
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 04, 2018, 01:26:08 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 03, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Personally, I can forgive Newt's screaming. If I was in that situation, I probably wouldn't stop. :D
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHH
This feature is amazing.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Dec 04, 2018, 01:47:43 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 04, 2018, 01:26:08 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 03, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Personally, I can forgive Newt's screaming. If I was in that situation, I probably wouldn't stop. :D
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHH
This feature is amazing.
Don't mind me, just trying this as well!
The change that I would make to ALIENS is the inclusion of the graphic insert shots of brains being smashed in, that ALIEN and ALIEN3 had.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 04, 2018, 03:27:03 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Dec 04, 2018, 01:47:43 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 04, 2018, 01:26:08 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 03, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Personally, I can forgive Newt's screaming. If I was in that situation, I probably wouldn't stop. :D
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHH
This feature is amazing.
Don't mind me, just trying this as well!
HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING THIS???
You use the <move> tag with [ in place of <
But if you wanna have a play with that, please go make a new thread in the Rec board. :)
There is no egg. ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2018, 09:44:15 AM
You use the <move> tag with [ in place of <
But if you wanna have a play with that, please go make a new thread in the Rec board. :)
Done.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2018, 09:44:15 AM
But if you wanna have a play with that, please go make a new thread in the Rec board. :)
I hate when our parents come down from their room and tell us to keep the noise down or go play outside!
I would alter the original chest burster scene. Whilst most of it is perfect i have never liked when the burster runs from the table, i know they were limited with practical effects of the time but im sure it could be improved.
Oh good god what have I done!? :-\
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 05, 2018, 09:13:08 AM
Oh good god what have I done!? :-\
You inspired people. 👍
It would have been hilarious if the Alien just slowly and casually tip-toed out of the room, step by step. Everyone too shocked to do anything, just staring at it.
"Don't mind me. I was just leaving."
"Don't touch it!"
Alas it's not meant to be hilarious, and it was done perfectly.
Word.
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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 05, 2018, 09:25:53 PM
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This f*cking scroll thing :laugh: :laugh:
It's addictive!
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This is our Hicks right now:
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"Didn't I tell you to go play with that elsewhere?"
:laugh:
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Dec 05, 2018, 09:44:28 PM
This is our Hicks right now:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcapnbeeb.com%2FSA%2FGifs%2FaliensCOCKITHD.gif&hash=bca20f3e2f640476e6c1448479aeb23e22d77254)
"Didn't I tell you to go play with that elsewhere?"
And they say the Alien franchise is sexual.
Hicks is too busy playing AvP to care.
@Huggs
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Micro-changes in air density, my ass
Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 06, 2018, 05:19:38 AM
Micro-changes in air density, my ass
Close encounters may lead to macro changes in a** density though.
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Quote from: Huggs on Dec 06, 2018, 05:26:36 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 06, 2018, 05:19:38 AM
Micro-changes in air density, my ass
Close encounters may lead to macro changes in a** density though.
What's the formula for that?
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Dec 06, 2018, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 06, 2018, 05:26:36 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 06, 2018, 05:19:38 AM
Micro-changes in air density, my ass
Close encounters may lead to macro changes in a** density though.
What's the formula for that?
1. Take one diaper and fill with a**
2. Add a pinch and a sprinkle of "close encounter"
3. Let rise for 3-4 seconds
4. Remove a** and add two tablespoons of euphemism and a dash of expectation to contents.
5. Stir thoroughly and bake for 25-30 minutes at 425 degrees
6. Let sit in a dry heat until cool to the touch and serve with grapefruit.
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 06, 2018, 11:38:46 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Dec 06, 2018, 11:59:37 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 06, 2018, 05:26:36 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 06, 2018, 05:19:38 AM
Micro-changes in air density, my ass
Close encounters may lead to macro changes in a** density though.
What's the formula for that?
1. Take one diaper and fill with a**
2. Add a pinch and a sprinkle of "close encounter"
3. Let rise for 3-4 seconds
4. Remove a** and add two tablespoons of euphemism and a dash of expectation to contents.
5. Stir thoroughly and bake for 25-30 minutes at 425 degrees
6. Let sit in a dry heat until cool to the touch and serve with grapefruit.
"Let sit in a dry heat."
I see what you did there.