Ladies and gentlemen... We might be getting female Predators.
https://www.cbr.com/the-predator-female-predators/
Lots of discussion going on about this in The Predator @ Comic-Con thread ;) Still no legitimate confirmation though. It appears to be based solely on visuals from the clips that were shown.
You should maybe have a look in the regular threads before making one of your own,
as I'm pretty sure this is unconfirmed.
I'm checking with Nick since he was at the panel. I didn't catch anyone else talking about in the Twitter feed, though.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 19, 2018, 11:46:03 PM
I'm checking with Nick since he was at the panel. I didn't catch anyone else talking about in the Twitter feed, though.
That's a good sign that it's an "oopsie" on CBR's part.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 19, 2018, 11:45:32 PM
You should maybe have a look in the regular threads before making one of your own,
as I'm pretty sure this is unconfirmed.
I don't frequent this site as I used to anymore. I stumbled on this at Tumblr.
And now I fade away again. Bye bye!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 19, 2018, 11:46:03 PM
I'm checking with Nick since he was at the panel. I didn't catch anyone else talking about in the Twitter feed, though.
Yeah, you'd think that
someone would have made a tweet about it.
It's a chick and we all know it. Gotta diversify the predator. Now for the twist, they used Dutch's DNA to make Upgrade and he's totally out of control and they can't stop him.
Does it have boobs? That's how you know if it's a chick Pred.
It had boobs but then they reduced it but I havn't seen what was shown at comic-con so the jury's still out.
A lot of people seem to think it is female though.
Hopefully they will add a transgender Predator also with pink hair drinking Starbucks.
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 20, 2018, 01:19:25 AM
Hopefully they will add a transgender Predator also with pink hair drinking Starbucks.
Crawl back into whatever cave you came out of.
Predator is for MEN. Big oiled up men with big muscles. No womz allowed.
Quote from: SM on Jul 20, 2018, 02:08:25 AM
Predator is for MEN. Big oiled up men with big muscles. No womz allowed.
Wow.
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 20, 2018, 01:19:25 AM
Hopefully they will add a transgender Predator also with pink hair drinking Starbucks.
Yes because once you start bringing a female into the picture its all liberal politically correct trangender predators from here on out... ::)
Wouldnt want to turn away any members of the He-Man Woman Haters club.
Can't forget about the wretched kid, you know, the one character these people can most identify with on a maturity level.
Though an oiled up man doesn't sound bad... ahem
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 20, 2018, 01:56:11 AM
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 20, 2018, 01:19:25 AM
Hopefully they will add a transgender Predator also with pink hair drinking Starbucks.
Crawl back into whatever cave you came out of.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/232/114/e39.png)
Quote from: SM on Jul 20, 2018, 02:08:25 AM
Predator is for MEN. Big oiled up men with big muscles. No womz allowed.
LOL
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
Can't forget about the wretched kid, you know, the one character these people can most identify with on a maturity level.
Though an oiled up man doesn't sound bad... ahem
;D
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
Though an oiled up man doesn't sound bad... ahem
We all know whom you really refer to.
(https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0316/26/1398214568974.gif)
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 20, 2018, 03:20:08 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
Though an oiled up man doesn't sound bad... ahem
We all know whom you really refer to.
https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0316/26/1398214568974.gif
Stooooop
All the KY Jelly!
I wouldn't be opposed with being one of those who gets to keep them moist between takes :laugh:
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 03:26:57 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 20, 2018, 03:20:08 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
Though an oiled up man doesn't sound bad... ahem
We all know whom you really refer to.
https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0316/26/1398214568974.gif
Stooooop
All the KY Jelly!
I wouldn't be apposed with being one of those who gets to keep them moist between takes :laugh:
No, no keep going! :laugh:
I'd probably be inclined to offer my services as well lol
We've got a lot of area to cover.
"Oh you're looking a little dry down here, lemme get that"
"But it's a close up shot of the face...?"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All areas require equal amounts of attention. No patchiness allowed! That's how costume design works, right? Right? :D
Yes, all that latex, we can't be dealing with drying out. ;D
And absolute thoroughness is required... ;)
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 20, 2018, 02:38:47 AM
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 20, 2018, 01:19:25 AM
Hopefully they will add a transgender Predator also with pink hair drinking Starbucks.
Yes because once you start bringing a female into the picture its all liberal politically correct trangender predators from here on out... ::)
Wouldnt want to turn away any members of the He-Man Woman Haters club.
Didn't Spanky lose his virginity to a pink haired Starbucksian? ;)
I wonder if there's an echo.
Nick said a fan asked a question whether it was female or not. They responded in a jokey way. He's surprised CBR ran with that one given the tone.
Perverts. All of you!
I honestly think they walked back the female predator idea. Which could mean that some of the footage at the con may be from when the predator had breasts.
Quote from: Danversity on Jul 20, 2018, 02:22:42 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 20, 2018, 02:08:25 AM
Predator is for MEN. Big oiled up men with big muscles. No womz allowed.
Wow.
It has homoerotiscism written all over it, no?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 20, 2018, 07:02:29 AM
Nick said a fan asked a question whether it was female or not. They responded in a jokey way. He's surprised CBR ran with that one given the tone.
Ah, so
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XFc7Gdd3BiY&t=0s&list=LLi0zBw1mHZJdZ6FFCfYNEtA&index=7
I'm gonna go back to believing Captured is a male until you all, who are pushing for it to be a female, get some proof then.
Why not? they must exist unless they reproduce asexually.
In the EU stuff, weren't the females bigger than the males ? Is the Super Predator the female ? lol
I only care what I see on screen. And I keep repeating: for all we know we only saw females on screen.
EU, E Snu-Snu, the expanded media especially where AVP is concerned is only tertiary fiction and I doubt any of the Directors or Writers for this series feel beholden to it's established lore. Hell, they don't even feel beholden to other films in the same series.
I don't doubt we'll eventually get one in the films. But when we do, I'm sure the proclamation will come with trumpets and fanfare, rather than an ambiguous joke that it seems CBR went with.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Jul 20, 2018, 09:17:19 AM
In the EU stuff, weren't the females bigger than the males ? Is the Super Predator the female ? lol
The EU stuff is incongruent - the way they are represented is all over the place, bigger, smaller, boobage, without. In a film, the writers could honestly go whichever path they wanted to take :)
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 20, 2018, 10:13:22 AM
I only care what I see on screen. And I keep repeating: for all we know we only saw females on screen.
No.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 20, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 20, 2018, 10:13:22 AM
I only care what I see on screen. And I keep repeating: for all we know we only saw females on screen.
No.
Why wouldn't it be ?
Quote from: dave1978 on Jul 20, 2018, 09:00:45 AM
Why not? they must exist unless they reproduce asexually.
I'm all for female predators (hate the asexual idea but that's just me of course ;)).
Personally I like to think that the females would at least have a more slender build. Captured's build is very similar to that of the predators in the first two films and I think it may already be established that Captured is a male.
As far as I'm concerned the books and comics are just elaborate fanfiction. I only look at the movies a the proper canon, which wasn't it established that they actually designed a female predator for P2? I know I read a post by someone on here from a while back that said there was a magazine article about it and that they would try and find it... I guess they never did.
(https://i.imgur.com/4PzodXO.jpg)
I always wondered if the one on the right was a female after hearing about the supposed article.
Anyway, I kind of like that they're leaving it for interpretation. Fans can at least have their own theories until something is actually presented in a movie.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 20, 2018, 05:11:28 PM
Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 20, 2018, 10:13:22 AM
I only care what I see on screen. And I keep repeating: for all we know we only saw females on screen.
No.
I feel like what the alien skull is for some Alien fans, is the same as Predator fans saying that all the past predators were females, for us. :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 05:19:01 PM
Why wouldn't it be ?
It's very clearly not what was intended. Especially when you hear what the Thomas Brothers refer to as MANHOOD RITUALS and HE this and HE that. The predators have all been dude bros.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 05:46:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4PzodXO.jpg)
I always wondered if the one on the right was a female after hearing about the supposed article.
There is no way you'd convince me that
Hippie was a chick.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 05:46:19 PM
I feel like what the alien skull is for some Alien fans, is the same as Predator fans saying that all the past predators were females, for us. :laugh:
It would just be a stupid ass retcon done for modern nonsensical political bullshit.
If you want a female Predator, than have a sensible design that's still obviously female, and go from there. Don't try to change what came before. Make what you want to do fit.
It's like when Paul Anderson literally referred to the original two Predators as "Teeny tiny Predators." Yeah. Well. F*** off, Paul.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 20, 2018, 06:33:27 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 05:19:01 PM
Why wouldn't it be ?
It's very clearly not what was intended. Especially when you hear what the Thomas Brothers refer to as MANHOOD RITUALS and HE this and HE that. The predators have all been dude bros.
It could be argued that HE is used by default, by habit, just like we say "men" when we talk about a larger scale of people containing women too. What i meant was that nothing in the movies clearly indicates that they are males or females.
PS : i'm not fond of female preds at all, let's keep some mystery left.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 06:44:59 PM
It could be argued that HE is used by default, by habit, just like we say "men" when we talk about a larger scale of people containing women too. What i meant was that nothing in the movies clearly indicates that they are males or females.
Their physiology, their behavior, the fact that Keyes himself refers to the Predator 2 creature as "he."
I don't even know why this becomes an argument. It's clearly not the intention of anyone involved with the films. It's not even
vague.They're physiologically men, right down to the extra cock'n'coping cod piece! :D
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 20, 2018, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 06:44:59 PM
It could be argued that HE is used by default, by habit, just like we say "men" when we talk about a larger scale of people containing women too. What i meant was that nothing in the movies clearly indicates that they are males or females.
Their physiology, their behavior, the fact that Keyes himself refers to the Predator 2 creature as "he."
I don't even know why this becomes an argument. It's clearly not the intention of anyone involved with the films. It's not even vague.
They're physiologically men, right down to the extra cock'n'coping cod piece! :D
Don't get me wrong, i agree, they inspire virility by every inches of their body, their behavior, no doubt about it. But them being men could be viewed as a human concept that may not be suited for an alien species too.
I'm just trying to figure how someone that thinks they are females base their reasoning on... Risky game, but i can't help it :laugh:
Seems like many people are leery of seeing more predator culture revealed on-screen, or having one as a more prominent and fleshed out character, because it would "humanize" them, but have no problem applying human concepts of gender traits to them...?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 20, 2018, 06:33:27 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 05:19:01 PM
Why wouldn't it be ?
It's very clearly not what was intended. Especially when you hear what the Thomas Brothers refer to as MANHOOD RITUALS and HE this and HE that. The predators have all been dude bros.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 05:46:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4PzodXO.jpg)
I always wondered if the one on the right was a female after hearing about the supposed article.
There is no way you'd convince me that Hippie was a chick.
I was only trying to narrow it down on who it
could have been since someone mentioned an article about how the designers said they made a female. But with no article means no proof. I think we're on the same page in terms of the male vs female arguments anyway though. The bulge between their legs says a lot... or so I thought. I just try to not squish the fantasies of some fans who think it keeps them "mysterious" and "alien".
They're an intelligent, humanoid species. You can't help but assume that there are more similarities than not with certain aspects.
I always figured their hunts were to also prove themselves to their females as much as it is a right of passage ritual.
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 20, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Seems like many people are leery of seeing more predator culture revealed on-screen, or having one as a more prominent and fleshed out character, because it would "humanize" them, but have no problem applying human concepts of gender traits to them...?
But anyone can say that their appearance is more masculine, that doesn't take away mystery. It's the key word IMO : mystery. As long as enough of it is left, it's all good. There could be predator clowns or predator accountants on their planet. Would i want to see that in a movie : absolutely not. Female preds could exist, there is no definitive reason why it wouldn't be, but i don't want to know. Mystery.
Saying the Predators we've seen up to now have been men isn't destroying mystery. That's pretty well established from what is said in the scripts, what is said on screen, and what is plainly visually obvious.
Even having a Predator lean more towards a full fleshed out character wouldn't necessarily destroy mystery. Even in the original trilogy, Darth Vader still dies with some air of mystery to him.
Like i said earlier, everything about them tends towards masculinity no doubt about it. I just think that some people would consider this insufficient to say they are males, because that's the way some people are. Some people want to explain and rationalize everything, but i'm not one of them.
That probably has to do with the original's critique on hyper masculinity, not to say it doesn't have fun with the tropes of that typical macho action film.
That's also reflected in the Predator's design which is probably why the idea of the male and female gender identities are so prominent in people's minds when it comes to Predator.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 20, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Seems like many people are leery of seeing more predator culture revealed on-screen, or having one as a more prominent and fleshed out character, because it would "humanize" them, but have no problem applying human concepts of gender traits to them...?
But anyone can say that their appearance is more masculine, that doesn't take away mystery. It's the key word IMO : mystery. As long as enough of it is left, it's all good. There could be predator clowns or predator accountants on their planet. Would i want to see that in a movie : absolutely not. Female preds could exist, there is no definitive reason why it wouldn't be, but i don't want to know. Mystery.
When you think human clowns are freaky, just imagine a predator clown... :o
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 08:19:57 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 20, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Seems like many people are leery of seeing more predator culture revealed on-screen, or having one as a more prominent and fleshed out character, because it would "humanize" them, but have no problem applying human concepts of gender traits to them...?
But anyone can say that their appearance is more masculine, that doesn't take away mystery. It's the key word IMO : mystery. As long as enough of it is left, it's all good. There could be predator clowns or predator accountants on their planet. Would i want to see that in a movie : absolutely not. Female preds could exist, there is no definitive reason why it wouldn't be, but i don't want to know. Mystery.
When you think human clowns are freaky, just imagine a predator clown... :o
Luring preddy kids in the sewers of predaville, i must admit, even for me, that would be interesting to watch :laugh:
Well I'm in the camp for wanting to see something different with the females. It's getting old seeing every alien species portrayed as essentially a human body with a different head. They all just end up looking like they could be a part of the Elder Scrolls ensemble of characters. Something a little more original in terms of dealing with sex would be appreciated, though in the end I'm more interested in expanding on their characterization rather then their body parts :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 08:19:57 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 20, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Seems like many people are leery of seeing more predator culture revealed on-screen, or having one as a more prominent and fleshed out character, because it would "humanize" them, but have no problem applying human concepts of gender traits to them...?
But anyone can say that their appearance is more masculine, that doesn't take away mystery. It's the key word IMO : mystery. As long as enough of it is left, it's all good. There could be predator clowns or predator accountants on their planet. Would i want to see that in a movie : absolutely not. Female preds could exist, there is no definitive reason why it wouldn't be, but i don't want to know. Mystery.
When you think human clowns are freaky, just imagine a predator clown... :o
Luring preddy kids in the sewers of predaville, i must admit, even for me, that would be interesting to watch :laugh:
Yikes!! :o
Yeah...I picture a female predator having almost an Olympic runner's frame. Not particularly muscled like the ones we've seen but also much more leaner than the ones we've seen.
Skin patterns.
Even if you don't want to go along with them being literally humanoid reptilians, which is what they are in most aspects, that would still be a great way, giving females unique styles of skin pattern from the male counterparts. Maybe they're more vibrantly colored. Give em some pearlescent coloring on their striping that gives it an almost semi-reflective quality. Something dazzling. Something that distracts and tames "the beast" that is the male Predator.
Going with the leaner athletic frame makes sense, too. I'd have them adopting a very mime inspired body language. More fluid and subtle.
They're saving the ladies for the sequel. :P
Personally, I wouldn't want to see female preds in the capacity of some kind of calming or feminine influence on the males - they don't necessarily have to be identical in function and behavior as males, but I like the brief mentions in the novels (some of them, anyway, they're so all over the place on any kind of continuity,) that the females can be quite no-nonsense and aggressive. That's just me though!
Well someone needs to call Upgrades mamma so she can grab him by his ears and drag him back to Yautja Prime.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 20, 2018, 08:19:57 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 20, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Seems like many people are leery of seeing more predator culture revealed on-screen, or having one as a more prominent and fleshed out character, because it would "humanize" them, but have no problem applying human concepts of gender traits to them...?
But anyone can say that their appearance is more masculine, that doesn't take away mystery. It's the key word IMO : mystery. As long as enough of it is left, it's all good. There could be predator clowns or predator accountants on their planet. Would i want to see that in a movie : absolutely not. Female preds could exist, there is no definitive reason why it wouldn't be, but i don't want to know. Mystery.
When you think human clowns are freaky, just imagine a predator clown... :o
Luring preddy kids in the sewers of predaville, i must admit, even for me, that would be interesting to watch :laugh:
Those poor little pred kids.
I imagine they have big bellies and skinny arms and legs. Cute little devils.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 20, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Seems like many people are leery of seeing more predator culture revealed on-screen, or having one as a more prominent and fleshed out character, because it would "humanize" them, but have no problem applying human concepts of gender traits to them...?
But anyone can say that their appearance is more masculine, that doesn't take away mystery. It's the key word IMO : mystery. As long as enough of it is left, it's all good. There could be predator clowns or predator accountants on their planet. Would i want to see that in a movie : absolutely not. Female preds could exist, there is no definitive reason why it wouldn't be, but i don't want to know. Mystery.
So, in effect, 'No girls allowed'?
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jul 20, 2018, 08:30:40 PM
Yeah...I picture a female predator having almost an Olympic runner's frame. Not particularly muscled like the ones we've seen but also much more leaner than the ones we've seen.
No, gymnastics body. Cause they are parkouring all the time.
Bring on female predators.
Quote from: SM on Jul 20, 2018, 11:43:26 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 20, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Seems like many people are leery of seeing more predator culture revealed on-screen, or having one as a more prominent and fleshed out character, because it would "humanize" them, but have no problem applying human concepts of gender traits to them...?
But anyone can say that their appearance is more masculine, that doesn't take away mystery. It's the key word IMO : mystery. As long as enough of it is left, it's all good. There could be predator clowns or predator accountants on their planet. Would i want to see that in a movie : absolutely not. Female preds could exist, there is no definitive reason why it wouldn't be, but i don't want to know. Mystery.
So, in effect, 'No girls allowed'?
"and we don't want none!" ;)
Seriously, it's not the worst thing that could happen to the franchise.
But different people want different things. When it comes to female predators, some folks are intimidated, some are worried it's merely a political stunt that serves no other purpose but placation, some think it's cool as long as it's sexy, some don't care either way.
Me? We're getting super predators, dogs that look like pitbulls, and comedy. A female predator is waaaay down there on my list of potential issues with this film, should they even be in the movie to begin with. It really seems to be a non-issue. I mean, I don't think predators come from eggs or are grown. Although that would be wild, in a blade runner 2049 sort of way.
But you're saying female Predators (assuming the existing ones are male) is a bad thing.
Quote from: SM on Jul 21, 2018, 03:45:31 AM
But you're saying female Predators (assuming the existing ones are male) is a bad thing.
Nope.
The "and we don't want none" line was a jab at those folks who are truly upset about the idea of a female predator.
I understand why some people can get riled up about it. This being an age with a "rise of the woman" feel. With Aliens, yeah it works great, but some folks out there don't want their "manly predator" to go girly. I empathize, but only to a degree.
Do I think it's necessary that we get a female predator? Not really, the franchise could probably go on indefinitely without one. Would it bother me if we did, no, not really. I can't think of a single reason why it would. Land sakes, Predators spend so much time cloaked, who could even notice? And even if they didn't, so what?
That's why I called it a "potential issue". Because the concept of a female predator can still be handled poorly, and that's when it becomes an actual issue.
But you said "Seriously, it's not the worst thing that could happen to the franchise."
Does this not mean "it's bad, but it's not the worst thing"? Particularly when you say that female Predators are a "potential issue".
Quote from: SM on Jul 21, 2018, 04:46:29 AM
But you said "Seriously, it's not the worst thing that could happen to the franchise."
Does this not mean "it's bad, but it's not the worst thing"? Particularly when you say that female Predators are a "potential issue".
(sigh)
Nope.
If you knew me personally, then you would know that when I say "Seriously, it's not the worst thing that could happen" about anything, it's French for "dude, it's a non-issue". The feeling and intent behind my usage of this phrase is neither negative nor positive, but completely neutral. The word "seriously" is meant to be in immediate reply to the people who do have a problem with it. As in, the people claiming "and we don't want none". It was a playful jab, at those who (I believe) are taking the possibility of a female predator way too hard.
It's just part of how I talk.
I only entered the conversation because I saw you say "So, in effect, 'No girls allowed'?". That got me to thinking about the little rascals, and so I said, in response with quotation marks and a wink "and we don't want none". Why? Because I thought not wanting a female pred for reasons like "no girls allowed" would be silly. It's sexism, and childish.
And so, yet again, I have no issues whatsoever with a female predator being introduced into the franchise. I can't for the life of me, see why anyone else would. But I do try to understand those with differing opinions. Which is why I listed some of the possibilities I thought people might not want one.
And also, yet again, the concept itself is only a "potential issue" for the reasons stated in many of the discussions we've had in the community. Any creature can be done wrong. It could be too feminine, too masculine, it might not even resemble a predator at all. The success of new concepts are always in the execution. Could it be done wrong? Absolutely. Look at the creature suit Van Damme was in.
I think it's quite obvious in both of my previous posts that I have no issue with female predators. I'm just not bothered by the idea. I'm a man who grew up surrounded by strong women, and I have total confidence in my sexuality. I'm dragging no knuckles behind me.
Quote from: SM on Jul 21, 2018, 04:46:29 AM
But you said "Seriously, it's not the worst thing that could happen to the franchise."
Does this not mean "it's bad, but it's not the worst thing"? Particularly when you say that female Predators are a "potential issue".
That's being unduly harsh man.
It's also just a well used phrase that a lot of us use everyday in one way or another.
However if one of the predator were female would that mean a female actor would portray the character or would it still be a male? :P Yea all the predator actors are male in this movie right? Perhaps that's the enigma of the entire debate over what is male and female in regards to an alien being.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 21, 2018, 05:36:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 21, 2018, 04:46:29 AM
But you said "Seriously, it's not the worst thing that could happen to the franchise."
Does this not mean "it's bad, but it's not the worst thing"? Particularly when you say that female Predators are a "potential issue".
That's being unduly harsh man.
It's also just a well used phrase that a lot of us use everyday in one way or another.
He's just nitpickin'. It's alright. God knows we've all done it before.
Female predators do not make much sense to me, at least not hunting unless thay plan to change the whole simbolism of the franchise for this movie. It was never even stated in the movies that the predators we saw are male, i know it probably is the case, but there is a metaphor there, if they put a female predator for the sake of it it wonr make much sense. But i do not expect a good Predator movie for a long time so i dont really care.
Quote from: D88M on Jul 21, 2018, 05:58:32 AM
It was never even stated in the movies that the predators we saw are male,
"He comes here every two days to feed." - Keyes
They were collecting his DNA by that point.
They're referred to as
he. The "Well, hurrr durr maybe they were females all along WE DONT KNOW." Would be a blind, blatant retcon of the intentions of the first two films. Manhood rituals, hunting, masculine forms beating down the most masculine among us. It's all about masculinity. To try and change that would be the brain cell seering EPITOME of post modern horseshit.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 21, 2018, 05:45:22 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 21, 2018, 05:36:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 21, 2018, 04:46:29 AM
But you said "Seriously, it's not the worst thing that could happen to the franchise."
Does this not mean "it's bad, but it's not the worst thing"? Particularly when you say that female Predators are a "potential issue".
That's being unduly harsh man.
It's also just a well used phrase that a lot of us use everyday in one way or another.
He's just nitpickin'. It's alright. God knows we've all done it before.
'Nitpicking' is quoting your own words back to you? Horseshit.
However, since you actually detailed what you meant, I now understand.
Quote from: SM on Jul 20, 2018, 11:43:26 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 20, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Seems like many people are leery of seeing more predator culture revealed on-screen, or having one as a more prominent and fleshed out character, because it would "humanize" them, but have no problem applying human concepts of gender traits to them...?
But anyone can say that their appearance is more masculine, that doesn't take away mystery. It's the key word IMO : mystery. As long as enough of it is left, it's all good. There could be predator clowns or predator accountants on their planet. Would i want to see that in a movie : absolutely not. Female preds could exist, there is no definitive reason why it wouldn't be, but i don't want to know. Mystery.
So, in effect, 'No girls allowed'?
Please don't get sensitive
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 21, 2018, 07:51:47 AM
Quote from: D88M on Jul 21, 2018, 05:58:32 AM
It was never even stated in the movies that the predators we saw are male,
"He comes here every two days to feed." - Keyes
They were collecting his DNA by that point.
They're referred to as he. The "Well, hurrr durr maybe they were females all along WE DONT KNOW." Would be a blind, blatant retcon of the intentions of the first two films. Manhood rituals, hunting, masculine forms beating down the most masculine among us. It's all about masculinity. To try and change that would be the brain cell seering EPITOME of post modern horseshit.
How would Keyes know? What would having its DNA help with determining gender unless they had something to compare it to?
Jesus Christ you are all hilarious 😆 only way I want to see a female predator is in the comics or robot chicken. The concept of the predator being a female is just ludacris. I may offend some sensitive millennial in saying so but sorry I'm not sorry one bit a female of any species isnt capable of doing the things predator has done in any film. Keep the predator male fox you've f**ked up enough on the last three films as it is
There's nothing ludicrous about a female predator.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 21, 2018, 11:58:06 PM
There's nothing ludicrous about a female predator.
from what's been established in film canon yes. It's absolutely ludicrous. Can men have just this one thing without feminist f**king it up? Just leave the predator alone please
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 21, 2018, 11:58:06 PM
There's nothing ludicrous about a female predator.
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Quote from: YTL_Hunter_H2 on Jul 21, 2018, 11:32:22 PM
"a female of any species isnt capable of doing the things predator has done in any film."
Your bad writing blinds you master yodel.
Seriously, how ignorant do you have to be to not be aware that there are many species on this planet alone in which the female is more capable than the male? Lions, Spotted Hyenas, Elephants and Killer Whales off the top of my head. Guess I'll have to put this down to you not being a "sensitive millenial" as you were apparently unable to find this out for yourself.
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 21, 2018, 11:58:06 PM
There's nothing ludicrous about a female predator.
from what's been established in film canon yes. It's absolutely ludicrous. Can men have just this one thing without feminist f**king it up? Just leave the predator alone please
^^^ This ^^^ a million times. Why can't they just leave us alone and stop pushing their snowflake bs on us. They have to ruin Everything ( Ghostbusters, Terminator 3, women's MMA, women's NBA etc. No one wants to see that crap.)
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Jeez, you guys are weak. Getting this worked up about the possibility a fictional organism could be female, or that females might be competent? You're the snowflakes.
NOOO! Manly men are losing all to the femenist womanz!!! :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
Jeez, you guys are weak. Getting this worked up about the possibility a fictional organism could be female, or that females might be competent? You're the snowflakes.
A weak person wouldn't say anything and just accept it. Most people are spineless cowards.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
Jeez, you guys are weak. Getting this worked up about the possibility a fictional organism could be female, or that females might be competent? You're the snowflakes.
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Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
Jeez, you guys are weak. Getting this worked up about the possibility a fictional organism could be female, or that females might be competent? You're the snowflakes.
A weak person wouldn't say anything and just accept it. Most people are spineless cowards.
Oh hoo boy, projecting now too we're adding to that list.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 22, 2018, 01:19:49 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
Jeez, you guys are weak. Getting this worked up about the possibility a fictional organism could be female, or that females might be competent? You're the snowflakes.
https://i.gifer.com/CvQt.gif
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
Jeez, you guys are weak. Getting this worked up about the possibility a fictional organism could be female, or that females might be competent? You're the snowflakes.
A weak person wouldn't say anything and just accept it. Most people are spineless cowards.
Oh hoo boy, projecting now too we're adding to that list.
We disagree. The End.
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
Jeez, you guys are weak. Getting this worked up about the possibility a fictional organism could be female, or that females might be competent? You're the snowflakes.
A weak person wouldn't say anything and just accept it. Most people are spineless cowards.
Hence the feminist movement.
Now I'm really hoping for a female pred, with huge bewbs.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 22, 2018, 01:26:59 AM
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
Jeez, you guys are weak. Getting this worked up about the possibility a fictional organism could be female, or that females might be competent? You're the snowflakes.
A weak person wouldn't say anything and just accept it. Most people are spineless cowards.
Hence the feminist movement.
But then weak men don't do anything when they take it too far and push for superiority instead of equal rights like in the beginning.
Superiority instead of equal rights! LMFAO
And now we have to suffer through trash movies and unfunny women comedians like Amy Schumer.
Yes, the films are trash because of feminism. & Comedians you don't have to watch or listen to.
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:33:36 AM
And now we have to suffer through trash movies and unfunny women comedians like Amy Schumer.
You actually don't have to at all, but I can almost see the appeal in wanting to cry about it. Almost.
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
A weak person wouldn't say anything and just accept it. Most people are spineless cowards.
Nah, getting this vitriolic about fiction that doesn't belong to you is pretty pathetic and weak.
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:33:36 AM
And now we have to suffer through trash movies and unfunny women comedians like Amy Schumer.
Yeah, back in the good old days we just had to deal with unfunny male comedians. They were totally more tolerable ::)
Quote from: YTL_Hunter_H2 on Jul 21, 2018, 11:32:22 PM
Jesus Christ you are all hilarious 😆 only way I want to see a female predator is in the comics or robot chicken. The concept of the predator being a female is just ludacris. I may offend some sensitive millennial in saying so but sorry I'm not sorry one bit a female of any species isnt capable of doing the things predator has done in any film. Keep the predator male fox you've f**ked up enough on the last three films as it is
I don't see how having a female Predator makes the male Predator any less of a badass. That reasoning baffles me.
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:07:05 AM
Quote from: YTL_Hunter_H2 on Jul 22, 2018, 12:57:56 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 21, 2018, 11:58:06 PM
There's nothing ludicrous about a female predator.
from what's been established in film canon yes. It's absolutely ludicrous. Can men have just this one thing without feminist f**king it up? Just leave the predator alone please
^^^ This ^^^ a million times. Why can't they just leave us alone and stop pushing their snowflake bs on us. They have to ruin Everything ( Ghostbusters, Terminator 3, women's MMA, women's NBA etc. No one wants to see that crap.)
Who is us? Who are they? I'm genuinely curious. I'd really like to see this from your point of view. Surely you're not speaking for the sexes in general, since there are plenty of people here on these boards who'd probably disagree with you - from both sexes.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
Jeez, you guys are weak. Getting this worked up about the possibility a fictional organism could be female, or that females might be competent? You're the snowflakes.
Exactly. It almost seems like some would prefer it if the females don't exist at all, which would mean the "males" are actually asexual or reproduce amongst themselves.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 01:40:12 AM
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
A weak person wouldn't say anything and just accept it. Most people are spineless cowards.
Nah, getting this vitriolic about fiction that doesn't belong to you is pretty pathetic and weak.
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:33:36 AM
And now we have to suffer through trash movies and unfunny women comedians like Amy Schumer.
Yeah, back in the good old days we just had to deal with unfunny male comedians. They were totally more tolerable ::)
I'm right and you're wrong and you just need to deal with it. :)
Quote from: cheachea on Jul 22, 2018, 01:46:04 AM
I'm right and you're wrong and you just need to deal with it. :)
Lol f**k that's a pathetically juvenile response ::)
Well you can't reason with ignorance. I guess their manhood is threatened and clearly it doesn't take much.
I have a feeling they're not going beyond the parasitic Facehugger stage with posts like that.
It makes sense, a failed Facehugger- impotent and pathetic.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 01:13:57 AM
Jeez, you guys are weak. Getting this worked up about the possibility a fictional organism could be female, or that females might be competent? You're the snowflakes.
Preach the truth.
As we were... ::)
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 20, 2018, 08:57:30 PM
Skin patterns.
Even if you don't want to go along with them being literally humanoid reptilians, which is what they are in most aspects, that would still be a great way, giving females unique styles of skin pattern from the male counterparts. Maybe they're more vibrantly colored. Give em some pearlescent coloring on their striping that gives it an almost semi-reflective quality. Something dazzling. Something that distracts and tames "the beast" that is the male Predator.
Being a bird person myself lol, I've always found it interesting the way the sexes are differentiated in the avian world, with extra plumage and colors. That'd be an interesting take without going full on human body. Though I confess, as cool as it would look, that might change the image of the Predator too much...
I'm all for the empowerment of women. The issue I have with this is not whether there are female Predators or not rather than female Predators looking like female humans body-wise. It just seems so generic that if there are Predator sexes that they would resemble and coincide with human sexes and gender profiles. It makes the Predator seem very terrestrial, relatable and human rather than extraterrestrial, un-relatable and alien.
I always subscribed to the idea of all Predators as asexual hermafrodites throughout most of their lives, i.e. they're neither men or women, that once or twice during their lifetimes enter hormonal cycles that make them susceptible to propagation.
If they decide to go with visually different looking Predator males and females I would rather have the females look like the males but with different skin patterns and maybe different dreadlock colors and/or different shaped head ridges/crests/spikes. Maybe establish that some of the predators that we have seen so far have been female without us even knowing it. Maybe City Hunter was a female for example?
If we necessarily have to go with Predators with human gender profiles and distinguishable sexes I would be ok with subtle curves and anatomical androgyny. Predators are clearly not mammal (they look pretty "reptilian", they don't have nipples or bellybuttons, and their lipless tusked mouths clearly suggest that they're not meant to be breastfed) which means that there is NO need for boobs.
From a comercial standpoint I can definitely see the appeal in having chesty heroine bodied female Predators to open up the franchise for girls/women, whom will find this overly macho and brawny franchise more interesting and appealing with some bad-ass female representation and femininity tossed in there, as well as an element for the geeks to oogle and get "excited" about...
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 21, 2018, 12:15:46 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 20, 2018, 11:43:26 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 20, 2018, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 20, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
Seems like many people are leery of seeing more predator culture revealed on-screen, or having one as a more prominent and fleshed out character, because it would "humanize" them, but have no problem applying human concepts of gender traits to them...?
But anyone can say that their appearance is more masculine, that doesn't take away mystery. It's the key word IMO : mystery. As long as enough of it is left, it's all good. There could be predator clowns or predator accountants on their planet. Would i want to see that in a movie : absolutely not. Female preds could exist, there is no definitive reason why it wouldn't be, but i don't want to know. Mystery.
So, in effect, 'No girls allowed'?
Please don't get sensitive
Fortunately other responses have rescued your response from being the dumbest.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 22, 2018, 03:10:56 AM
If we necessarily have to go with Predators with human gender profiles and distinguishable sexes I would be ok with subtle curves and anatomical androgyny. Predators are clearly not mammal (they look pretty "reptilian", they don't have nipples or bellybuttons, and their lipless tusked mouths clearly suggest that they're not meant to be breastfed) which means that there is NO need for boobs.
I think there is a clear shot of a navel when City Hunter gives himself a shot in the stomach. At any rate their
skin wouldn't show it like on a human. Look at other mammals and how they appear on them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-2r8YLDUMnw
Just a fold between its manly 6 pack.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2018, 09:59:30 PM
How would Keyes know? What would having its DNA help with determining gender unless they had something to compare it to?
You'd use the best available terrestrial matches.
Setting that aside. They don't call him "it." They call him a
he. "Ten years ago one of his kind stalked and eliminated an elite group in central America." "He comes here every two days to feed."
"You admire the son of a bitch."
"Not for what he does Lieutenant. For what he is. For what he can give us."
He, he, he, f**king HE.
Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 22, 2018, 04:22:43 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-2r8YLDUMnw
Cod piece.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 22, 2018, 06:38:49 AM
You'd use the best available terrestrial matches.
What matches? They found the Predator's sex chromosomes in a few weeks? ??? They have X and Y chromosomes? They're distributed like humans rather than, I dunno, birds, which are entirely different?
QuoteSetting that aside. They don't call him "it." They call him a he. "Ten years ago one of his kind stalked and eliminated an elite group in central America." "He comes here every two days to feed."
"You admire the son of a bitch."
"Not for what he does Lieutenant. For what he is. For what he can give us."
He, he, he, f**king HE.
We call inanimate objects "he" and "she". It looks male to us so he calls it male. That is super, super limp proof of anything.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 22, 2018, 06:41:23 AM
We call inanimate objects "he" and "she". It looks male to us so he calls it male. That is super, super limp proof of anything.
It's better than "Well we don't know! They could be female." When we
do know what the creative intention was. It's film. It's short hand. They made Predator look like a dude because A. that's what he's supposed to be. A dude. A male hunter partaking in safari.
I'm going to assume the government agency that was expressly setup to track and now
capture one of these guys is going to know more than we do.
Short story is that no, female Predators for The Predator have not been confirmed. According to Nick, who was at the event, it was a jokey response to a fan question that CBR seem to have gotten the wrong end of the stick with.
There's no need to get worked up over the possibility of it, though. There's room for adult and reasonable discussion around the subject. I've locked this thread down because as far as I'm concerned that kind of discussion wasn't being had here. I've banned one childish participant of the "discussion" for an inability to follow these very basic requirements we have for discourse here.
I'm not re-opening the thread. If the topic crops up against elsewhere, please remember that very simple request.