I personally love Alien3 and don't want a movie to retcon it, but that's another debate that's been discussed to death.
What I'm concerned about is this picture:
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This gives me the impression that the company would finally get a hold of the aliens and successfully weaponize them. Surely, they'd break out at some point and wreak havoc, but still. The idea of the aliens ever being tamed in the first place doesn't sit well with me.
EDIT: My bad. This one wasn't done by Neill.
Then there's this:
(https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/failed-aliens-project-blomkamp.jpg?w=806&quality=80&h=809)
Is that some kind of disguise? That reminds me of:
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The idea of being able to fool an alien with a disguise doesn't sit well with me either. But his notes say it's a space jockey pilot suit? Would this movie have conflicted with Prometheus and establish a different history between the engineers/jockeys and the aliens? Why would their space helmets resemble alien heads? Wiping out 3 and Resurrection is bad enough. It would be really irritating if this contradicted Scott's prequels too. I hate it when franchises get muddy with alternate continuities, (like Halloween and Texas Chainsaw).
It's also possible that some of these were just fun doodles for him and they weren't really going to play into the script.
If this movie never happens, I really hope he at least releases his treatment so we can have an idea of what the story would have been. Perhaps he could give it to Dark Horse for a comic book adaptation.
Quote from: necrotard on Jun 07, 2017, 09:59:44 PM
I personally love Alien3 and don't want a movie to retcon it, but that's another debate that's been discussed to death.
What I'm concerned about is this picture:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWBGAqlg.jpg&hash=0a822deb4273511fcec2311628518ee4bbdee6f7)
This gives me the impression that the company would finally get a hold of the aliens and successfully weaponize them. Surely, they'd break out at some point and wreak havoc, but still. The idea of the aliens ever being tamed in the first place doesn't sit well with me.
Then there's this:
(https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/failed-aliens-project-blomkamp.jpg?w=806&quality=80&h=809)
Is that some kind of disguise? That reminds me of:
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/7/7d/0017449_vintage_kenner_aliens_atax_marine_action_figure_370.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20160217223602
The idea of being able to fool an alien with a disguise doesn't sit well with me either. But his notes say it's a space jockey pilot suit? Would this movie have conflicted with Prometheus and establish a different history between the engineers/jockeys and the aliens? Why would their space helmets resemble alien heads? Wiping out 3 and Resurrection is bad enough. It would be really irritating if this contradicted Scott's prequels too. I hate it when franchises get muddy with alternate continuities, (like Halloween and Texas Chainsaw).
It's also possible that some of these were just fun doodles for him and they weren't really going to play into the script.
If this movie never happens, I really hope he at least releases his treatment so we can have an idea of what the story would have been. Perhaps he could give it to Dark Horse for a comic book adaptation.
Looks bad.
Sigourney looks in her early 50s in those paintings.
Sigourney is too old now for these ideas.
I thought that first picture wasn't a Neil Blomkamp piece?
The Ripley in the Alien suit is really cool looking to me. The idea of it as a disguise is interesting, maybe it's Space Jockey tech. That might collide with the lore in the prequels but this would be an alternative universe anyway. Which to me doesn't hurt A3 and AR since they'll always be considered the OG alien sequels whether people like them or not. More Alien films the better!
My mistake. Apparently the first picture is from an artist named Marek Okon. Someone uploaded it to the IMDb page for Alien 5, so I assumed it was Neill's.
That first picture makes me think of Jurassic World and the raptors that have been "tamed" and "trained" and equipped with cameras.
Definitely not a good idea for a film...even if it was never on the table.
The whole "trained" alien concept was explored in Dark Horse's Nightmare Asylum story (didn't end well for General Spears). Don't know how well it would translate to a film...
I couldn't care less about 3 and Resurrection getting wiped out from the continuity, with all due respect with people who do like those movies.
As for not liking the franchise getting muddy or confusing...Scott himself muddied the waters with his Black Goo thing. And seems like his intent is to erase the continuity with Aliens et al anyway, unless we get a Queen or a hint of her in the third Prometheus/Alien movie he makes, so yeah.
Quote from: Hughughug on Jun 09, 2017, 10:59:41 PM
I couldn't care less about 3 and Resurrection getting wiped out from the continuity, with all due respect with people who do like those movies.
As for not liking the franchise getting muddy or confusing...Scott himself muddied the waters with his Black Goo thing. And seems like his intent is to erase the continuity with Aliens et al anyway, unless we get a Queen or a hint of her in the third Prometheus/Alien movie he makes, so yeah.
Yeah, I am getting a tad worried that he might do away with queens and mess up the life-cycle/timeline. To an extent, I understand another filmmaker wanting to go against Alien 3, but to go against ALIENS? Surely if the Ten Commandments were written today, God would have included something in there against that...
Well, speaking for myself, I don't want it. But if that's what they give us, I'd probably still watch it.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 10, 2017, 08:32:16 AM
Well, speaking for myself, I don't want it. But if that's what they give us, I'd probably still watch it.
Like you, I will watch any new Alien, Predator, AVP movie. (Or at least try to watch it; as I did with AVP-R.) :)
* As for continuity between the Alien movies, I'm a supporter of that.
- I do not want a Blomkamp movie which pushes out "Alien 3" and "Alien 4" from the timeline.
- And I would like Ridley with the other film makers of "Covenant" to come to their senses (imo) and go along with the novelization where David only recreates the xenomorphs which pretty much fixes canon continuity with that film.
;)
i wanted this...bad
i wanted space marines, pulse rifles, and aliens...one more time
i wanted sigourney weaver, michael bein...one last time...PLEASE
i also realized it has strong potential to suck and bomb...
i LOVED the pictures with the company recovering the old derelict and stuff...SO good
i thought the aliens under control was an official picture attached to alien 5...
i had mixed feelings on that...but it would be ok...as long as the aliens could not truely be tamed
ripley fooling the aliens...seems incredibly stupid...but then again...alien 3 and res had some really stupid stuff too, it MIGHT be ok...it might be something totally different too
i'd still love to see a sequel to alien 3 without ripley if we had to with colonial marines and weyland yutani...
i wanted this bad...and have been wanting this since like 1986 (ok i was 2 then so maybe a little later)
i remember seeing alien 3 in theaters and it was NOT what i wanted...
there is no way of making this and not erasing 3 and 4 without making them company mind experiments or something...which would still essentially wipe them out
i was down with *alternate* cannon since i wanted to see it so bad but...it'll never be
i felt like it was too good to be true
a fan boys dream
but i see the potential in it completely sucking...but it could also really be good if done right
It's still entirely possible to make EXACTLY what you want - but without Ripley. It doesn't have to be a retcon, either.
There's nothing stopping Fox from greenlighting a movie that features a Marines vs Aliens scenario that will keep just about everyone happy. The problem comes when people want everything. You're not going to get it.
There's no reason why another colony can't be infected and the USCM are sent to clean up the mess. It just doesn't even need Ripley, Hicks and Newt and it's not the path Fox took and we are stuck with it now. It would have been great if such a movie was made instead of 'ALIEN 3', back in the early 1990's; but that's 25 years ago - a quarter of a Century has passed, already. More since 'ALIENS'.
For all we know, Scott's next 'ALIEN' prequel will do just that, though. I'd say it's a high likelihood considering the closing moments of 'ALIEN: Covenant'. Fox need to pull their finger out and deliver such a crowd pleaser now. They can do so within the current series of movies and feature military vs xenos. It will just feature different characters. That's where I think this series is headed.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Jun 12, 2017, 03:50:52 AM
It's still entirely possible to make EXACTLY what you want - but without Ripley. It doesn't have to be a retcon, either.
There's nothing stopping Fox from greenlighting a movie that features a Marines vs Aliens scenario that will keep just about everyone happy. The problem comes when people want everything. You're not going to get it.
There's no reason why another colony can't be infected and the USCM are sent to clean up the mess. It just doesn't even need Ripley, Hicks and Newt and it's not the path Fox took and we are stuck with it now. It would have been great if such a movie was made instead of 'ALIEN 3', back in the early 1990's; but that's 25 years ago - a quarter of a Century has passed, already. More since 'ALIENS'.
For all we know, Scott's next 'ALIEN' prequel will do just that, though. I'd say it's a high likelihood considering the closing moments of 'ALIEN: Covenant'. Fox need to pull their finger out and deliver such a crowd pleaser now. They can do so within the current series of movies and feature military vs xenos. It will just feature different characters. That's where I think this series is headed.
-Windebieste.
I agree 100%.
I suggest:
Tom Hardy as the General of the Colonial Marines.
Tom Hardy and his Colonial Marines VERSUS Michael Fassbender and his Aliens.
Directed by Sir Ridley Scott.
If they want more money, maybe PG-13.
Quote from: windebieste on Jun 12, 2017, 03:50:52 AM
It's still entirely possible to make EXACTLY what you want - but without Ripley. It doesn't have to be a retcon, either.
There's nothing stopping Fox from greenlighting a movie that features a Marines vs Aliens scenario that will keep just about everyone happy. The problem comes when people want everything. You're not going to get it.
There's no reason why another colony can't be infected and the USCM are sent to clean up the mess. It just doesn't even need Ripley, Hicks and Newt and it's not the path Fox took and we are stuck with it now. It would have been great if such a movie was made instead of 'ALIEN 3', back in the early 1990's; but that's 25 years ago - a quarter of a Century has passed, already. More since 'ALIENS'.
For all we know, Scott's next 'ALIEN' prequel will do just that, though. I'd say it's a high likelihood considering the closing moments of 'ALIEN: Covenant'. Fox need to pull their finger out and deliver such a crowd pleaser now. They can do so within the current series of movies and feature military vs xenos. It will just feature different characters. That's where I think this series is headed.
-Windebieste.
I don't think Covenant performed well enough, unfortunately. We may get a soft-reboot after all.
Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Jun 13, 2017, 09:32:24 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Jun 12, 2017, 03:50:52 AM
It's still entirely possible to make EXACTLY what you want - but without Ripley. It doesn't have to be a retcon, either.
There's nothing stopping Fox from greenlighting a movie that features a Marines vs Aliens scenario that will keep just about everyone happy. The problem comes when people want everything. You're not going to get it.
There's no reason why another colony can't be infected and the USCM are sent to clean up the mess. It just doesn't even need Ripley, Hicks and Newt and it's not the path Fox took and we are stuck with it now. It would have been great if such a movie was made instead of 'ALIEN 3', back in the early 1990's; but that's 25 years ago - a quarter of a Century has passed, already. More since 'ALIENS'.
For all we know, Scott's next 'ALIEN' prequel will do just that, though. I'd say it's a high likelihood considering the closing moments of 'ALIEN: Covenant'. Fox need to pull their finger out and deliver such a crowd pleaser now. They can do so within the current series of movies and feature military vs xenos. It will just feature different characters. That's where I think this series is headed.
-Windebieste.
I don't think Covenant performed well enough, unfortunately. We may get a soft-reboot after all.
Soft Reboot?.
With Who?.
If Covenant flopped, the most logical result is FOX cancelling ALL Alien movies for the next few years.
Quote from: PierreVW on Jun 13, 2017, 09:57:49 PM
Quote from: LCpl. D. Grant on Jun 13, 2017, 09:32:24 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Jun 12, 2017, 03:50:52 AM
It's still entirely possible to make EXACTLY what you want - but without Ripley. It doesn't have to be a retcon, either.
There's nothing stopping Fox from greenlighting a movie that features a Marines vs Aliens scenario that will keep just about everyone happy. The problem comes when people want everything. You're not going to get it.
There's no reason why another colony can't be infected and the USCM are sent to clean up the mess. It just doesn't even need Ripley, Hicks and Newt and it's not the path Fox took and we are stuck with it now. It would have been great if such a movie was made instead of 'ALIEN 3', back in the early 1990's; but that's 25 years ago - a quarter of a Century has passed, already. More since 'ALIENS'.
For all we know, Scott's next 'ALIEN' prequel will do just that, though. I'd say it's a high likelihood considering the closing moments of 'ALIEN: Covenant'. Fox need to pull their finger out and deliver such a crowd pleaser now. They can do so within the current series of movies and feature military vs xenos. It will just feature different characters. That's where I think this series is headed.
-Windebieste.
I don't think Covenant performed well enough, unfortunately. We may get a soft-reboot after all.
Soft Reboot?.
With Who?.
If Covenant flopped, the most logical result is FOX cancelling ALL Alien movies for the next few years.
Yeah, for the next few years. But they'll never stop making
Alien films. I could see Julie Benz being cast as Ripley, like they recast Captain Kirk with Chris Pine in the new
Star Trek.
I always thought that Nichole Kidman would be a good stand in. I remember watching Dead Calm and was shocked at how much she resembled Sigourney in that movie:
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If they wanted someone more mature, that'd be my choice.
But honestly, I hope that if this happens, its still Weaver and Biehn... look at great Signourney looked in that NB short. She was totally awesome.
it depends on who "we" are. I certainly didn't want this movie and I know a lot of people are in the same boat as me on that one.
Oh we'll get our alternate Alien 3 someday. Just like we got our Ridley return.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 13, 2017, 06:12:34 PM
Oh we'll get our alternate Alien 3 someday. Just like we got our Ridley return.
Probably.
Just like we will get an Alien reboot or remake someday...
I wanted it.
I wish even more that it'd happen in light of the mess that is Covenant.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 13, 2017, 06:12:34 PM
Oh we'll get our alternate Alien 3 someday. Just like we got our Ridley return.
Yes... as a sequel to a reboot. Seem inevitable after the arc of David is completed. Full reboot, and Blomkamp get's to direct the 3rd. My guess anyway.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 13, 2017, 06:12:34 PM
Oh we'll get our alternate Alien 3 someday. Just like we got our Ridley return.
Have you gotten out of your cryo pod lately? Coz to me it looks like you're just dreaming.
Hang onto that dream, Man. Hang on.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 13, 2017, 06:12:34 PMOh we'll get our alternate Alien 3 someday. Just like we got our Ridley return.
Not sure that's been a good thing, personally...
No. Hated Blomkamp's commissioned concept art, Ripley in an alien exo-suit worst of all - not just bad in itself but more than hints at Blomkamp's single storyline rearing it's head yet again.
I'm not entirely sure if I want this or not, but as time goes, I know i'm more and more certain that i'm not really interested in what Ridley Scott has to say about Alien.
I re-watched Elysium last night and it made me realise that I badly want Blomkamp to direct an Alien movie, but only if someone else writes the script.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 01, 2017, 08:17:39 AM
I re-watched Elysium last night and it made me realise that I badly want Blomkamp to direct an Alien movie, but only if someone else writes the script.
I saw "Elysium" once and imo it's not worth a second viewing.
Completely predictable and Sharlto Copley does not work as an antagonist.
- But beyond my personal taste, the box office of "Elysium" when compared with its production budget, will be about the same as where "Covenant" will end up after Japan.
- Why would Fox choose a director who is not going to do better than Scott?
As for A5 bringing back Hicks and Newt, imo they are dead.
Unless the Alien franchise has time travel and a multiverse like Star Trek (which it doesn't), then I'm not going to buy into the completely different sequel timeline of A5.
;)
Quote from: bb-15 on Aug 05, 2017, 09:48:36 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 01, 2017, 08:17:39 AM
I re-watched Elysium last night and it made me realise that I badly want Blomkamp to direct an Alien movie, but only if someone else writes the script.
I saw "Elysium" once and imo it's not worth a second viewing.
Completely predictable and Sharlto Copley does not work as an antagonist.
- But beyond my personal taste, the box office of "Elysium" when compared with its production budget, will be about the same as where "Covenant" will end up after Japan.
- Why would Fox choose a director who is not going to do better than Scott?
As for A5 bringing back Hicks and Newt, imo they are dead.
Unless the Alien franchise has time travel and a multiverse like Star Trek (which it doesn't), then I'm not going to buy into the completely different sequel timeline of A5.
;)
I agree. FOX likes Ridley Scott more than they do Neill Blomkamp. FOX is still producing a lot of things with Ridley and his Production Company.
I think FOX wanted another A-List Director. But A-List Directors aren't interested.
Quote from: bb-15 on Aug 05, 2017, 09:48:36 PMI saw "Elysium" once and imo it's not worth a second viewing.
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Missing my point somewhat.
I was simply pointing out how well his visual style would work in an
Alien movie.
Isn't that pretty much the problem we've been having for years though? We never have a writer that's right for an Alien movie.
Blomkamp had some nice ideas but that doesn't make a good movie. Looking at his past movies I'd say he's not the right guy to direct an Alien movie, especially since he probably would've put in some apartheid bullshit and Die Antwoord.
Quote from: P-Rock on Aug 27, 2017, 08:07:24 AM
Blomkamp had some nice ideas but that doesn't make a good movie. Looking at his past movies I'd say he's not the right guy to direct an Alien movie, especially since he probably would've put in some apartheid bullshit and Die Antwoord.
I agree for the most part... I just don't think we'd have to worry about Die Antwoord. Apparently Ninja was a huge pain in the ass to work with on Chappie.
I believe Blomkamp has enough good sense to be respectful of James Cameron's masterpiece.
Blomkamp did himself no favours with the concept art he released: Hicks in marine armor, a queen fighting marines, a pulse rifle. It was fan fiction stuff and a retread of Aliens. Ripley's alien suit was something straight out of the Hasbro toys.
Yeah, I dunno how representative it was (hopefully not at all), but that Ripley suit was really cringey.
Out of the whole bog of tricks that Blomkamp spilled, the Ripley alien suit was the only thing that made me think this may not be a good idea.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 04, 2017, 03:41:49 PM
Yeah, I dunno how representative it was (hopefully not at all), but that Ripley suit was really cringey.
I wouldn't mind something like that though. We kinda get that with the pressure suits in Prometheus but seeing something a little more Borgified and biomechanical intertwining with human flesh could be pretty cool.
Quote from: Kane's other son on Dec 04, 2017, 03:22:48 PM
Blomkamp did himself no favours with the concept art he released: Hicks in marine armor, a queen fighting marines, a pulse rifle. It was fan fiction stuff and a retread of Aliens. Ripley's alien suit was something straight out of the Hasbro toys.
On the contrary, I think the concept art is what got the project anywhere off the ground to start with.
The Ripley in an Alien suit could go either way. We have no context for what that was supposed to be.
I saw on Perfect Organism's facebook that there was an article defending Alien Resurrection. (I know, look, I only read it - don't have a go at me, I wasn't defending it).
It did postulate something I've seen on here a few times though. Should the franchise go forward - AR is 200 years in the future... maybe that's where things are going wrong?
Look, I'm the biggest advocate of concluding the Ripley arc in a more satisfying way, but I also WASN'T a fan of the 21st century style tech in Prometheus (if that happened before Alien/s lets embrace that analogue universe - for me anyway).
But going forward, we could have all our floating 3d Minority Report swipey stuff.
And going forward, we're divorced from Ripley and co. They can be referenced, but they're not essential to he story. Unless of course there's a thing on earth with "Old Woman Ripley." (Not for me, I thought the clone / now-part-xeno thing was less than brilliant, but I know it has its adherents).
There's no real way to fix Ripley's arc. They finished it beautiful, warts and wall, with Alien 3, and then they decided to reopen it again.
As to the Ripley/Alien hybred thing, they could have maybe done something interesting with that in a sequel to Resurrection. Ripley gave the queen a human reproductive system, so what could the queen given Ripley? What might have manifest in days, weeks, months or years after she returned home? I'm just saying.
As to going into the future, again, that future was at least somewhat written out for us in Resurrection. You'd have to go in further ahead of Resurrection, 4 or 5 hundred years from now. Hey, we'd be in time for that Firefly/Alien crossover! Haha!