I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
Maybe he was the only Pred in the area that could get there in time
Maybe he is the only one that survives the wreck...If there were more Preds on it that is.
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
Because some damn fool accused him of being the best. ;D
All of us ;D
Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Sep 18, 2007, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
Because some damn fool accused him of being the best. ;D
Lol, obligatory quote objective: COMPLETE
Those theories make sense, plus preds weren't going to waste tonnes of preds on a suicide mission when they've got just one guy who might be able to do everything solo.
Quote from: Kriszilla on Sep 18, 2007, 08:57:00 PM
Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Sep 18, 2007, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
Because some damn fool accused him of being the best. ;D
Lol, obligatory quote objective: COMPLETE
Those theories make sense, plus preds weren't going to waste tonnes of preds on a suicide mission when they've got just one guy who might be able to do everything solo.
But is he so good?Better than tonnes of preds?
My guess is that he's the rank right below an elder so without wasting so many Preds they got him to do the job.
Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Sep 18, 2007, 09:03:34 PM
My guess is that he's the rank right below an elder so without wasting so many Preds they got him to do the job.
You mean whitout wasting preds like those from avp.
Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Sep 18, 2007, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
Because some damn fool accused him of being the best. ;D
Haha good one. Yea he was probably the only survivor on his ship. My question which might have already been talked about is why the spaceship crashes on earth?
maybe because hes the only pred on the ship with the most skulls or something so they send him because hes got more experience maybe :-\
thay already said he's not on the ship that crashes....
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Sep 18, 2007, 09:14:49 PM
thay already said he's not on the ship that crashes....
Yes yes he is send.
Quote from: nukem11 on Sep 18, 2007, 09:16:28 PM
Oh right so does anyone have any idea why that ship crashes though.
What ship?The one from the trailer?Becose of the predalien
Well if thats the case then they just sent a bad ass pred to clean up the mess from the wreckage and kill the aliens which were on board.
Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Sep 18, 2007, 09:03:34 PM
My guess is that he's the rank right below an elder so without wasting so many Preds they got him to do the job.
Retarded...
Preds always go alone for a hunt ( AvP does not count). Mission to get rid of aliens and evidences is just an add on to next big game in Wolf`s point of view.
They send only Wolf, because they know Wolf could do it, he is that damn good of a 'cleaner' it speaks for his skill as a hunter for him alone to be going.
but also, perhaps the crashing ship sent out a distress beacon, and he was the only one who was in range to revieve it
I'm sure it will all be explained in the film
Quote from: Gates on Sep 18, 2007, 09:20:47 PM
Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Sep 18, 2007, 09:03:34 PM
My guess is that he's the rank right below an elder so without wasting so many Preds they got him to do the job.
Retarded...
Yea ok ::)
Quote from: Master on Sep 18, 2007, 09:28:35 PM
Preds always go alone for a hunt ( AvP does not count). Mission to get rid of aliens and evidences is just an add on to next big game in Wolf`s point of view.
If that's how you see the preds then you'd probably hate my fanfic and a lot of the expanded universe stuff (AvP: Eternal, Preds team up on 2 aliens for a big fight.)
Actualy I have some comics from AvP and Aliens series, but none of them have story good enough to consider them cannonical. Also I have not read Your fanfic, I am considering all of it no films, because P1 and P2 are the real source of knowlage about Predator species.
Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Sep 18, 2007, 09:33:36 PM
but also, perhaps the crashing ship sent out a distress beacon, and he was the only one who was in range to revieve it
If that is somehow clearly explained, then okay I'll buy it...but then again it will be hard...every single time we have seen a predator, he was never alone...sure they hunted alone...but they always travel in groups, even in
Predator, his ship detached from a larger one that would've had to pick him up when he was finished...so assuming that he is alone when a distress signal is received is a little far fetched...
Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Sep 18, 2007, 09:33:36 PM
They send only Wolf, because they know Wolf could do it, he is that damn good of a 'cleaner' it speaks for his skill as a hunter for him alone to be going.
I don't care what kind of titles you give him or how skilled he is suppose to be...he isn't there to hunt for fun, he is there to contain and defuse a potential problem...logic would dictate that they should send a full compliment of predators to do the job, and by that I mean no more than three to five...at least that would've seemed realistic...but one...I don't know...
Well he's there for both he skins his victims in the trailer and he usual does that for honour and fun.
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
I've raised this, too. It makes no sense, although it would not surprise me to learn that the real reason could have been the budget. :)
Either only one of them exists in our part of the galaxy, of sufficient rank... Which just looks really bad for the Predators. It means the vast majority of them have no hope of coming up to that level.
Or they're just
that arrogant to assume a single guy is going to be able to go in there, ninja-like and do it all... Which is just... It's so damn stupid.
Just look at all the elite personnel with tons of experience in US, UK, Israeli, etcetera Special Forces. Do they just send one of them on in James Bond mode? No! They send in several.
A team can both cover one another's actions and get the same task done in a quicker, more efficient way. To not do that is an amazingly short-sighted thing to do.
The only other option I can think of is that the Predators f**k things up so much, that only one thing of that rank is available, at any one time. Again, that implies they're really idiotic on a regular basis.
i think this is a mission 4 the wolf to become a elder ..the last misson 4 the wolf ..then i he gets a own tribe ore grope something in that stile :-\
It is very human way of thinking that there should be a squad of about five Preds to wipe out Xenomorphs, but Predator is a fu**in alien and he does not think like humans.
I think we're all overlooking the obvious reason for why Wolf is alone- it makes a better movie. The explanation for this in terms of the story line is academic. What matters is that he's a lone hunter, which was always an incredibly important part of the Predator's gravitas and mystique. Anderson dispensed with that, which was in my opinion one of his biggest mistakes. The moment you see these particular creatures hunting in packs, it subtracts a lot of their respect and honour. Not to mention the intimidation. Think about it- the original Predator movie would not have been as good if there were multiple enemies. It just would of been "them" instead of "him", which is much more threatening and disturbing psychologically. One single bad-ass, that's all you need.
Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Sep 18, 2007, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
Because some damn fool accused him of being the best. ;D
Wolf: But why send me?
Elder: Because some damn fool accused you of being the best...
Wolf: Elder! Youuu son of a bitch!
*Arm wrestles*
Wolf: Looks like the Strauss brothers have you pushing too many human weights!
Quote from: Daweism on Sep 18, 2007, 11:00:58 PM
Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Sep 18, 2007, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
Because some damn fool accused him of being the best. ;D
Wolf: But why send me?
Elder: Because some damn fool accused you of being the best...
Wolf: Elder! Youuu son of a bitch!
*Arm wrestles*
Wolf: Looks like the Strauss brothers have you pushing too many human weights!
old Genreal: Why am i here?....
Maybe Wolf has done this many times before. With all the blooding rituals I'm sure at some point a trial has gone wrong and the elders need someone to clean up the mess. Maybe the Wolf is the go to guy for eliminating infestations.
maybe he's the only predator to hear the distress calls from the ship, or the first one to get there (the closest one to earth) there's no evidence other preds may show up near the end of the movie
He wasn't sent......he got a distress signal while masterbating! ::) :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Old Painless on Sep 18, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
I think we're all overlooking the obvious reason for why Wolf is alone- it makes a better movie. The explanation for this in terms of the story line is academic. What matters is that he's a lone hunter, which was always an incredibly important part of the Predator's gravitas and mystique. Anderson dispensed with that, which was in my opinion one of his biggest mistakes. The moment you see these particular creatures hunting in packs, it subtracts a lot of their respect and honour. Not to mention the intimidation. Think about it- the original Predator movie would not have been as good if there were multiple enemies. It just would of been "them" instead of "him", which is much more threatening and disturbing psychologically. One single bad-ass, that's all you need.
That's exactly what I was gonna say. Perfect.
or they could have only sent him because they know they won't need any other predators, because Wolf will be enough
and if that is the case, it speaks gallons for his character, obviously, if they only send one, that one has got to be a predator on a level of skill and with a prowess in extreme situations like we've never seen before.
we have the answer to why they send Wolf and only Wolf, obviously because they are sure thats all they'll need, they can always send another if he fails, but why send more from the get go if it is unneeded
and in the films, predators have always hunted solo, unless they were teenagers on a specific manhood ritual in the film that will not be named, so having more here would only detract from the predator's character, and go against the original films.
Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Sep 19, 2007, 12:44:11 AM
[...] we have the answer to why they send Wolf and only Wolf, obviously because they are sure thats all they'll need, they can always send another if he fails, but why send more from the get go if it is unneeded
That is just retarded...why send more from the get go? Well maybe because if he is alone,and he does fail and there are no other predators, the aliens will spread even further and triple in numbers buy the time the second fool arrives...
Quote from: Master on Sep 18, 2007, 10:01:21 PM
It is very human way of thinking that there should be a squad of about five Preds to wipe out Xenomorphs, but Predator is a fu**in alien and he does not think like humans.
No it's not a human way to think about it...it's the
logical way to think about...all I need now is for predator fans to tell me that the predators are not logical...if so...then we have reached a new low...
Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Sep 19, 2007, 12:44:11 AM
[...] and in the films, predators have always hunted solo, unless they were teenagers on a specific manhood ritual in the film that will not be named, so having more here would only detract from the predator's character, and go against the original films.
I can't win with you people...first you tell me that the dual Plasma Caster is cool, the predalien molting into a queen is cool, the markings on the Wolf's helmet are cool, none of which are in any of the originals I might add...but I say that five predators in this movie is realistic, and you throw me the, "go against the original films" argument...do me a fu<king favor and make up your damn minds...
Maybe he was in the area and decided he needed a challenge? Just a suggestion
well, I just think you don't want to believe how good of a hunter/cleaner wolf is supposed to be, obviously, if they send just him, he is good enough to be enough, so good that they don't believe he will fail at all, so good that sending another with him would be overdoing it. I mean, obviously they have absolutely full confidence in him, and him failing would be a shock, thats how good he is supposed to be.
I bet thats retarded too? Well thats obviously the way it is, if Wolf fails, he is supposed to blow his nuke like every predator is supposed to, meaning there shouldnt be a need for any more, send one, if he 'fails' he blows the place, takes care of everything, they send one to make sure the threat was completely elminated, there is no logical need for any more then one.
the weapons of a predator have always been changed/modified etc. with every film, dual plasma casters is just another interesting weapon idea that works, but a predator hunting solo is a great defining thing for their character, they hunt alone, they aren't pack hunters, they don't try to rely on others to help them survive, thats how predators work.
and by the way, the predalien molting into a queen is not something I'm fond of, don't generalise every one of us as 'you people'
so in conclusion, one is plenty, because obviously whoever sends wolf thinks he can handle it, and by nature, predators are solo hunters, so they send their best, Wolf, his victory is not nevessarily garenteed, but thats what the nuke attached to his wrist is for...
Quote from: SPEC. AGENT KEYES on Sep 19, 2007, 12:11:09 AM
He wasn't sent......he got a distress signal while masterbating! ::) :D :D :D :D
Am I allowed the picture that in my mind? It's disgusting yet funny at the same time
With a name like "Wolf" he must have alot of killing talent
Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Sep 19, 2007, 03:02:21 AM
well, I just think you don't want to believe how good of a hunter/cleaner wolf is supposed to be [...]
You're absolutely right...
Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Sep 19, 2007, 03:02:21 AM
the weapons of a predator have always been changed/modified etc. with every film, dual plasma casters is just another interesting weapon idea that works [...]
Right...so lets go the
Star Wars way and just continuously give more lightsabers to the characters to keep the fights more interesting...by the time we reach a thrid AvP, I want the predators to have dual-
double plasma casters, and a
predtank...
Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Sep 19, 2007, 03:02:21 AM
[...] if Wolf fails, he is supposed to blow his nuke like every predator is supposed to, meaning there shouldnt be a need for any more, send one, if he 'fails' he blows the place, takes care of everything, they send one to make sure the threat was completely elminated, there is no logical need for any more then one.
[...] his victory is not nevessarily garenteed, but thats what the nuke attached to his wrist is for...
His self-detonation does not
ultimately mean containment of the threat...'30 square city blocks' was the blast radius of a predators self-detonation device according to Keyes...I live in a major city...and 30 square blocks is definitely not large enough to encompass all of Gunnison...
Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Sep 19, 2007, 03:02:21 AM
and by the way, the predalien molting into a queen is not something I'm fond of, don't generalise every one of us as 'you people'
Fair enough...
What is your take on Aliens getting stronger every movie to the point of dodging bullets?
Gates?
Quote from: Daweism on Sep 19, 2007, 04:02:41 AM
What is your take on Aliens getting stronger every movie to the point of dodging bullets?
Gates?
Well first off they never progressively got stronger...if anything one could argue that
Aliens actually made them weaker than in the original (I don't hold that belief but some do)...but when it comes to
Resurrection and dodging bullets, yes I think the aliens abilities were exaggerated to the point of being offensive...
Anything else I can help you with...?
QuoteWhat is your take on Aliens getting stronger every movie to the point of dodging bullets?
That isn't strength, it's speed; and the fact that the bullets were moving through water made them somewhat easier to avoid.
I don't think anyone sends the Wolf. The Wolf gets the distress call and decides to investigate. No one sends him.
No testing your bias and seeing where you stand.
Your cool in my books. I don't mind "ability" exaggeration as long as it's not over the top and both side are still even.
Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Sep 19, 2007, 04:14:27 AM
QuoteWhat is your take on Aliens getting stronger every movie to the point of dodging bullets?
That isn't strength, it's speed; and the fact that the bullets were moving through water made them somewhat easier to avoid.
It was also dodging bullets as it climbed a ladder.
Like you said, you don't mind ability exaggeration.
The Wolf is sent because somebody excused him of being the best!
Quote from: ElitePredator on Sep 19, 2007, 04:35:52 AM
The Wolf is sent because somebody excused him of being the best!
Am I the only one who thinks that's getting old...? ;)
lol never knew it has been said so many times :P
QuoteAm I the only one who thinks that's getting old...? Wink
The sub-par grammar or the brainless hero-worshiping?
Why did Skynet only send one Terminator?
(in each movie)
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 08:22:09 AM
Why did Skynet only send one Terminator?
(in each movie)
Good point
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 08:22:09 AM
Why did Skynet only send one Terminator?
(in each movie)
Ridiculous...different movie, different set of characters, and different rules...but since you brought it up I'll indulge you...one terminator fighting humans with weapons from the twentieth century is the equivalent of one predator fighting humans with weapons from the twentieth century...the outcome of which is a blood bath; the situation, based on the skills of both the terminator and the predator, deems that they should have no problem with
humans...yet
one predator fighting off humans and an entire
hive of aliens, and a predalien is not the same thing...the aliens level off the playing field...these are not soft humans, they are the "perfect organism"...therefore making your comparison worthless...
But thanks for trying anyway...do come back again...
Quote from: Gates on Sep 19, 2007, 09:19:05 AM
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 08:22:09 AM
Why did Skynet only send one Terminator?
(in each movie)
Ridiculous...different movie, different set of characters, and different rules...but since you brought it up I'll indulge you...one terminator fighting humans with weapons from the twentieth century is the equivalent of one predator fighting humans with weapons from the twentieth century...the outcome of which is a blood bath; the situation, based on the skills of both the terminator and the predator, deems that they should have no problem with humans...yet one predator fighting off humans and an entire hive of aliens, and a predalien is not the same thing...the aliens level off the playing field...these are not soft humans, they are the "perfect organism"...therefore making your comparison worthless...
But thanks for trying anyway...do come back again...
Lol, we have a winner!
Holy shit, its a different movie? Thanks for indulging and educating me.
The fact is one Terminator worked better than a squad of Terminators. And looking back at Predator versus AvP, I would say the same thing. If you are supposed to be a highly proficient killing machine, you don't need backup. Same goes for the Wolf, who in this case is like the T-1000 compared to the T-800 of other Predator films. But all this nerd talk aside, the point was that sending one Terminator was a lot cooler even though logically Skynet could have sent more than one back.
Well I personally haven't got a problem with there being only one predator. If Dutch can take out a predator after his team was obliterated then why cant an experienced predator take out all those aliens, besides Wolf may very well die in this movie. To accept that Dutch could take out a superior hunter, and for Wolf not to be able to kill a large group of aliens even though he is the most skilful predator we have seen is slightly one sighted in my opinion. True, Dutch figured out his own form of invisibility but aliens don't have that brainpower and can only attack at close range. Wolf on the other hand has long range weapons and a sh!t load of experience behind him. If one predator can take out most of a special forces team who had M16's, Grenade launchers and even a fu<king Mini-gun, then why can't a highly experienced predator take out a large group of aliens.
I think some alien fan boys on here seem to think that aliens have got a bad image these days for being canon fodder but your forgetting something. In the first Alien movie the alien was scary because the crew were not soldiers and didn't have sufficient, long-range weaponry to kill it. With the advent of Aliens and Resurrection the humans stood a better chance because they had long-range weaponry. Lest ye forget the Colonial Marines were trained combat soldiers, so they were able to kill aliens much easier with their guns. But even then they still got their asses kicked! So the aliens really won in the end. With Alien 3 you can see my point, they all died because they didn't have weapons. I'm not saying that aliens are weak – far from it! Its just I can accept that the alien species has a major flaw when it comes to fighting – it cant attack at long ranges.
Besides we're all making judgments here, but none of us actually know what the hell is going to happen! So my advice is just wait and see, we could all be wrong!
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 09:32:11 AM
[...] Thanks for indulging and educating me.
I never claimed to educate you...I may be over confident, but I'm never arrogant... ;)
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 09:32:11 AM
But all this nerd talk aside, the point was that sending one Terminator was a lot cooler even though logically Skynet could have sent more than one back.
Yeah whatever...I'm done debating this...I'm bored with it and need something new to commit myself to... 8)
Quote from: Gates on Sep 19, 2007, 10:21:00 AM
I never claimed to educate you...I may be over confident, but I'm never arrogant... ;)
Actually it was a quite arrogant response. And the fact that you tried to spell out the differences between the Terminator and AvPR like I don't know any better implies you were trying to educate me. The fact that each Terminator film is a sci-fi VS. movie makes them a pretty appropriate reference.
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 10:31:27 AM
Actually it was a quite arrogant response.
You're entitled to your opinion, of which I could careless...
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 10:31:27 AM
And the fact that you tried to spell out the differences between the Terminator and AvPR like I don't know any better implies you were trying to educate me.
You asked a question and I answered it...if you are going to take the answers to your question personal, don't post the question...
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 10:31:27 AM
The fact that each Terminator film is a sci-fi VS. movie makes them a pretty appropriate reference.
Terminator is a sci-fi versus movie!? Look I accept that you work in the movie industry, particularly on AvP-R, but I won't accept some warped view of a movie solely on your testimonial...I've never in all my life heard anyone refer to the Terminator movies as a versus movie...yes, in it's simplest form, the plot revolves around a man vs. a terminator and a terminator vs. another terminator...but that hardly constitutes the definition of a
versus movie...anytime a versus movie is brought up, the terminator movies are the farthest from peoples minds...when I hear the term versus movie, the
Gojira movies come to mind...
Well Gates you are the most arrogant person of us all. And if Duches team would be forced to fight ten aliens in small town ( I haven`t seen more Xenomorphs in that trailer), they would have big chance to defeat them, because their weapon is superior compareing to aliens. But wolf have even more superior weapons ( One Pred killed whole Duch`s team excluding Duch), and skills to fight Aliens, so this things are forceing me to conclude that one Wolf is enough to do the job.
Quote from: Gates on Sep 19, 2007, 04:07:24 AM
Quote from: Daweism on Sep 19, 2007, 04:02:41 AM
What is your take on Aliens getting stronger every movie to the point of dodging bullets?
Gates?
Well first off they never progressively got stronger...if anything one could argue that Aliens actually made them weaker than in the original (I don't hold that belief but some do)...but when it comes to Resurrection and dodging bullets, yes I think the aliens abilities were exaggerated to the point of being offensive...
Anything else I can help you with...?
The Aliens just appeared weaker in "Aliens" because they were attacking an elite task force, not truckers in space.
Quote from: Gates on Sep 19, 2007, 10:55:04 AMYou're entitled to your opinion, of which I could careless...
Thanks, I think I've made my opinion quite clear.
Quote from: Gates on Sep 19, 2007, 10:55:04 AM
Terminator is a sci-fi versus movie!? Look I accept that you work in the movie industry, particularly on AvP-R, but I won't accept some warped view of a movie solely on your testimonial...I've never in all my life heard anyone refer to the Terminator movies as a versus movie...yes, in it's simplest form, the plot revolves around a man vs. a terminator and a terminator vs. another terminator...but that hardly constitutes the definition of a versus movie...anytime a versus movie is brought up, the terminator movies are the farthest from peoples minds...when I hear the term versus movie, the Gojira movies come to mind...
Actually I think that Terminator 2 is the best VS movie ever made. I don't see that as a warped assessment at all. You seem to be hung up on the fact that VS isn't in the title and that most people don't think of it that way, both of which are irrelevant.
My position in the industry is also completely irrelevant in this case. It's my opinion and I'm backing it up with more than just the fact that T2 is not traditionally looked at that way.
Try taking a broader perspective, here I'll help. Imagine the T-1000 was from another franchise or that the T-800 was Robocop instead. It's about two contrasting heavies squaring off with the fate of the world at stake. Even down to the themes of free will versus destiny and life versus death, T2 nails it.
Handbags at dawn! ::)
Quote from: Master on Sep 19, 2007, 11:05:16 AM
Well Gates you are the most arrogant person of us all. [...]
Boohoo...I'm so offended and hurt...I don't know what I will do with myself...the invisible people, I will never meet in my life, on the other side of the computer don't like me...what a tragedy...
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 11:19:53 AM
Imagine the T-1000 was from another franchise or that the T-800 was Robocop instead. [...]
If they were from separate franchises then I would say yes you're right...
but...ultimately they are
not, therefore I am going to have to continue to disagree...
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 11:19:53 AM
[...] Even down to the themes of free will versus destiny and life versus death, T2 nails it.
Fair enough...
just a thought what i think it might be is that the crashing ship let off a beacon signal and wolf was probably the only one who got it, so he goes down there and finds the ship to be crashed and he looks around the crashed ship and and finds out there he cant find any of the face huggers there...he see's the tank's were there supposed to be and he can not find or see them (he has no idea about the Predalien) and he finds another plasmacaster and puts it on....then he sets his bomb and leaves it thereto get rid of the evidence of the crashed ship then. So then he heads off to go stop the face huggers cause he knows that there are gonna be aliens so he must stop them, so he heads off towards the town.......yet does he know that the predalien is there to lookin for somewhere also start the hive....
Well there you go, all I was saying is that they are structurally and thematically VS films and thus a good reference for comparison.
I really don`t care about you nor your opinions, just don`t say that you are not arrogant, when you say that you stultify yourselfe.
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 11:47:52 AM
Well there you go, all I was saying is that they are structurally and thematically VS films and thus a good reference for comparison.
I understand what your saying but I still don't think that makes it a valid comparison for
AvP-R...there could be one terminator on either side because in the end, they are only fighting each other, so they balance themselves out...but that doesn't seem to be the case for
AvP-R...Wolf isn't fighting one alien...he is fighting a whole hive...you have to admit that there is a difference...
Quote from: Master on Sep 19, 2007, 11:54:12 AM
I really don`t care about you nor your opinions, just don`t say that you are not arrogant, when you say that you stultify yourselfe.
I'm
not arrogant...sue me...
Of course there is a difference, there are lots of them.
Still doesn't change the fact that it makes a good comparison in response to the question posed by the thread.
I guess we'll have to continue the discussion when the film is released.
Blow me ;D.... Still Preds are lonely hunters, they are traveling together but always hunting alone, why Wolf should behave different? Also if he will emerge victorious, he`ll get great amount of respect and glory, and of coures skulls. It would be fullish in Predators way of thinking to split it on two or on fife.
I think he is already on the crashing ship and must see, i dont know how, that the predalien is slaughtering all his brothers... than he survives the crash and swore revenge... that was it...
i dont think he will be coming with an own ship.
Now going back a bit, Skynet sended only one terminator cause it was all they needed. Though it didn't work, logically it wasn't necessary to send out more. One big factor is, that Skynet couldn't have changed the future too much, or it wouldn't exist. That's why they didn't send out a squad of terminators. Cause they needed to work in stealth, just like the preds do. Without letting information about them to leak. Which also happened, but it didn't threat the existence of Skynet.
But I don't think we can't compare this to Preds. First of all, they didn't seem to work in stealth, without public knowledge about them, when they first came to earth and taught humans how to build. Though I've always thought that was BS. And of course it is supposed that Wolf has to destroy that wrecked ship --> covering up their existence or at least prevent humans to get their hands on pred tech. Second point is that, Preds don't have to think about time paradoxes, like skynet. So they can go out and bomb the sh*t out of everyone they want.
This makes me think about why Wolf is only pred sended. Maybe he isn't send out to help out humans, or to prevent disaster they caused, by eliminating aliens, like some suggest. He is just trying to prevent their tech getting to human hands. But his ship gets destroyed or confiscated by army etc... Why would preds care about alien infestation of earth? Wouldn't it be cool to hunt on planet, inhabited by only aliens?
Well I have theories answering those questions, but cause some guy will probably come and tell out his opinion about why I'm wrong, I won't answer my own questions. Reducing the amount of text I'll have to write if I answer them. And I don't wanna annul all my theories by myself. At least in same post I present them.
So don't think that I blindly believe in this theory, and come whine to me angry about how i wrote complete BS. Before we see the movie, we can't know if my, or anyone elses, theories are BS or not. Except if brothers Strause have told something that annuls all I've said.
QuoteI think he is already on the crashing ship
This is what I meant. They've already told that Wolf ain't in crashing ship.
but how the hell would he survive, hes gotta better chance of surviving being punctured by an alien tail, i mean the force the shup is chrashing is immense, iam suprised the facehuggers and predalien survived ???
Quote from: Ficodemus on Sep 19, 2007, 02:37:43 PM
This makes me think about why Wolf is only pred sended. Maybe he isn't send out to help out humans, or to prevent disaster they caused, by eliminating aliens, like some suggest. He is just trying to prevent their tech getting to human hands. But his ship gets destroyed or confiscated by army etc... Why would preds care about alien infestation of earth? Wouldn't it be cool to hunt on planet, inhabited by only aliens?
It wouldn't be inhabited ONLY by aliens though, some other life would have to exist for them to feed upon and use as hosts. Also Preds wouldn't think in terms of "cool", they would view an alien-ruled world as a challenge, but I doubt even preds would commit suicide in that way.
Quote from: Ficodemus on Sep 19, 2007, 02:37:43 PM
Now going back a bit, Skynet sended only one terminator cause it was all they needed. Though it didn't work, logically it wasn't necessary to send out more.
One big factor is, that Skynet couldn't have changed the future too much, or it wouldn't exist. That's why they didn't send out a squad of terminators.
Actually, "Skynet sent 2 Terminators back in time". The machines didnt have time to send more than 2 becouse "their defense grid was smashed" and their base had been taken over by the resistance. Tech-Com
supposedley destroyed Skynet and won the war.
QuoteCause they needed to work in stealth, just like the preds do. Without letting information about them to leak. Which also happened, but it didn't threat the existence of Skynet.
But I don't think we can't compare this to Preds. First of all, they didn't seem to work in stealth, without public knowledge about them, when they first came to earth and taught humans how to build. Though I've always thought that was BS. And of course it is supposed that Wolf has to destroy that wrecked ship --> covering up their existence or at least prevent humans to get their hands on pred tech. Second point is that, Preds don't have to think about time paradoxes, like skynet. So they can go out and bomb the sh*t out of everyone they want.
This makes me think about why Wolf is only pred sended. Maybe he isn't send out to help out humans, or to prevent disaster they caused, by eliminating aliens, like some suggest. He is just trying to prevent their tech getting to human hands. But his ship gets destroyed or confiscated by army etc... Why would preds care about alien infestation of earth? Wouldn't it be cool to hunt on planet, inhabited by only aliens?
Well I have theories answering those questions, but cause some guy will probably come and tell out his opinion about why I'm wrong, I won't answer my own questions. Reducing the amount of text I'll have to write if I answer them. And I don't wanna annul all my theories by myself. At least in same post I present them.
So don't think that I blindly believe in this theory, and come whine to me angry about how i wrote complete BS. Before we see the movie, we can't know if my, or anyone elses, theories are BS or not. Except if brothers Strause have told something that annuls all I've said.
QuoteI think he is already on the crashing ship
This is what I meant. They've already told that Wolf ain't in crashing ship.
They probobly only send Wolf becouse hes their best warrior, and they trust him to get the job done. Maybe they think it's too risky to send more than one becouse they could be captured by the government. I would think Predators would want to prevent an Alien infestation of Earth for obvious reasons.
So I did predict it right. You guys immediately proved that my theories had holes. But it is what makes this interesting. Since all theories have holes, it's impossible to tell who is right before seeing the actual film.
QuoteIt wouldn't be inhabited ONLY by aliens though, some other life would have to exist for them to feed upon and use as hosts. Also Preds wouldn't think in terms of "cool", they would view an alien-ruled world as a challenge, but I doubt even preds would commit suicide in that way.
This is same thing I thought, yet didn't write it down. But here comes the question: Are Aliens really stupid enough to consume all life they would feed on? Well in one comic it is said that in their homeworld they have a natural enemy that makes sure they won't spread too much.
Also it gives a motive for preds to protect earth from infestation. If it would happen they would lose us as preys. And they know some of us are tough enough to give them a good fight. Also if Aliens couldn't feed and died. This would be an empty planet --> one hunting ground less.
But it gives yet another question: What do Aliens feed on? They are never seen eating a human if I am right? Just killing them. Do they eat plants or don't they need to feed at all.
I can also answer these questions, but it will only bring out more questions. And since most of these questions will never be answered by anything considered canon, cause it would take the mystery away, it is up to us fans to tell our theories about them. And when it comes to the point where no questions come up. People start to fight over who has most reliable theory.
The only alien we see that does anything resembling feeding is the one in the 3rd movie but it could be argued that it is just mauling/gnawing on the corpses like a dog might. However it does seem to claim some of the dead bodies, so what does it want them for if not to eat? Considering that we never see the aliens eat they are capable of growing at an alarming speed. Whether or not the aliens die out doesn't really matter as long as the eggs survive.
Quote from: PredatorBruth on Sep 19, 2007, 11:47:11 AM
just a thought what i think it might be is that the crashing ship let off a beacon signal and wolf was probably the only one who got it, so he goes down there and finds the ship to be crashed and he looks around the crashed ship and and finds out there he cant find any of the face huggers there...he see's the tank's were there supposed to be and he can not find or see them (he has no idea about the Predalien) and he finds another plasmacaster and puts it on....then he sets his bomb and leaves it thereto get rid of the evidence of the crashed ship then. So then he heads off to go stop the face huggers cause he knows that there are gonna be aliens so he must stop them, so he heads off towards the town.......yet does he know that the predalien is there to lookin for somewhere also start the hive....
That's a good asumption, but I think that he was on the crashed ship. Couldn't there of been a cushion part of the ship that could cushion the impact of the crash?
Quote from: Ficodemus on Sep 19, 2007, 02:37:43 PM
Skynet sended only one terminator cause it was all they needed.
That was my point and a valid comparison. Predators are notoriously over confident. They think one Wolf is all it takes.
As for Skynet sending back two Terminators before its defense grid was smashed, this is a retcon made in T2 and then completely ignored by T3. The point was that in each movie or timeframe Skynet only sent one back, why not send 3? You already answered it, cause it thought one was enough.
If Preds were only interested in hunting aliens then why they bothered and hunged different skuls in trophy room from P2?
maybe the wolf is a General before :o....
and his fail to complete his mission or lost in war before... :P
so the wolf come to earth alone and clear the mess to get back his honour. ;D ;D
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 06:23:04 PM
Quote from: Ficodemus on Sep 19, 2007, 02:37:43 PM
Skynet sended only one terminator cause it was all they needed.
That was my point and a valid comparison. Predators are notoriously over confident. They think one Wolf is all it takes.
As for Skynet sending back two Terminators before its defense grid was smashed, this is a retcon made in T2 and then completely ignored by T3. The point was that in each movie or timeframe Skynet only sent one back, why not send 3? You already answered it, cause it thought one was enough.
I dont think it was ignored in T3. Apparentley, the resistance didnt really win the war in the year 2029 like they thought, becouse Arnold said he killed John Conner in 2032. It still might be a plot hole though. Wouldnt be the only one.
He's there because he's a specialist. It doesn't seem like they just randomly sent him. I guess the other Predators figured that if one group of average Predators couldn't do the job, they might as well send in someone with a record of success. Colin did say that he wanted us to have the impression that the Wolf had been through millions of battles.
It really is as simple as that to me. Bringing in opinion on whether that should be done in an AVP film doesn't really change things.
Quote from: Horhey on Sep 19, 2007, 07:16:28 PM
I dont think it was ignored in T3. Apparentley, the resistance didnt really win the war in the year 2029 like they thought, becouse Arnold said he killed John Conner in 2032. It still might be a plot hole though. Wouldnt be the only one.
Yeah it isn't ignored per se but because the events in T2 altered the future, the information given in the first two films is no longer accurate according to T3. The only way to explain the Terminator franchise is through alternate timelines but we're getting into some seriously nerdy territory here.
Quote from: Crom on Sep 19, 2007, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: Horhey on Sep 19, 2007, 07:16:28 PM
I dont think it was ignored in T3. Apparentley, the resistance didnt really win the war in the year 2029 like they thought, becouse Arnold said he killed John Conner in 2032. It still might be a plot hole though. Wouldnt be the only one.
Yeah it isn't ignored per se but because the events in T2 altered the future, the information given in the first two films is no longer accurate according to T3. The only way to explain the Terminator franchise is through alternate timelines but we're getting into some seriously nerdy territory here.
Yea, I feel it too. We better stop.
I think of that to this day but maybe its an honor thing who knows or they just want to see if 1 predator can kick THAT much ass and live ;D
Quote from: bloodjigsaw on Sep 19, 2007, 09:10:33 PM
I think of that to this day but maybe its an honor thing who knows or they just want to see if 1 predator can kick THAT much ass and live ;D
That you talking about is sacrufice
From the look of him in the trailer, they only send The Wolf because thats all they need to send. Why waste valuable Predators when you've got one awesome one who can get the job done and make the Aliens look like degraded rejects in the process...
:-\
A better question is why send anyone at all? What do the predators care what happens to humanity?
Because for the 10,000th time;
1. They like to hunt us and
2. They use us to hunt aliens
Common sense, its whats for dinner.
They could use other creatures for hunting and to breed aliens.
Are we that essential to them? Maybe they want to preserve one of their playgrounds, but if that is the case, why ever expose us to the danger of the alien in the first place?
No shit, but that still leaves the obvious fact that they like to hunt us too.
Then as I said, why expose us to the possibility of extinction?
...They don't.
Hence sending Wolf down to save our sorry asses.
Hence blowing themselves up and the Aliens when they loose.
Yeah they dont, as i understand from what i have seen of the trailer. Our exposure to the aliens is by accident, hence the need of wolf.
BTW Fitzley, that sig of yours is kick ass - I love it! ;D
Quote from: SiL on Sep 19, 2007, 10:07:50 PM
...They don't.
Hence sending Wolf down to save our sorry asses.
Hence blowing themselves up and the Aliens when they loose.
Well the wolf will kil few ppls ot the road to our salvation
I think discretion plays a big part as well (along with the arrogance factor). wolf seemingly suceeds in destroying the pred ship and preventing their tech from being obtained.
so if they are confident in this one pred to do the job, why send more and risk having their tech stolen by humans. if they send 5 preds, all it takes is one to be caught or killed by people.
Also, yeah he's there to clean up, but I still hope he does revert back to hunting at least some (the skinned bodies make me think he is), which is done solo.
When it comes down to it, they think 1 pred for the majority of the movie will work out better like the originals. And I agree. The first 2 predator movies worked cause there was only 1 for the most part throughout. They're more menacing etc when alone.
plus whether you like it or not, it seems there's a build up to the pred vs predalien fight. 1v1.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 19, 2007, 10:07:50 PM
...They don't.
They do, in the first AVP.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 19, 2007, 10:07:50 PM
Hence blowing themselves up and the Aliens when they loose.
Can they be 100% certain of this? The aliens are very virulent. One egg or facehugger survives and the entire process starts again.
In the end the logic doesn't hold up. If they like to hunt us...then remove humans to another planet and maintain a "preserve." Don't introduce aliens to endanger the entire population like in the first one.
Guess its more of an argument against the logic of the first movie. However, if all they cared about was preserving humans for the hunt or erasing evidence of their presence in this new movie...why go to the trouble...they can just take some humans and relocate them. What? You're telling me the predators want to preserve our society, way of life as well?
This furthers the anthropomorphism of the predator from being the callous, sadistic hunters to something else.
Quote from: Fitzley on Sep 19, 2007, 10:36:26 PM
Can they be 100% certain of this?
Hello?
Alien franchise? Aliens not being public knowledge? Clearly the Predators are very good at cleaning their shit up after themselves.
Quote from: Fitzley on Sep 19, 2007, 10:36:26 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 19, 2007, 10:07:50 PM
...They don't.
They do, in the first AVP.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 19, 2007, 10:07:50 PM
Hence blowing themselves up and the Aliens when they loose.
Can they be 100% certain of this? The aliens are very virulent. One egg or facehugger survives and the entire process starts again.
In the end the logic doesn't hold up. If they like to hunt us...then remove humans to another planet and maintain a "preserve." Don't introduce aliens to endanger the entire population like in the first one.
Guess its more of an argument against the logic of the first movie. However, if all they cared about was preserving humans for the hunt or erasing evidence of their presence in this new movie...why go to the trouble...they can just take some humans and relocate them. What? You're telling me the predators want to preserve our society, way of life as well?
This furthers the anthropomorphism of the predator from being the callous, sadistic hunters to something else.
Predators arent logical. They only think with their balls.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 19, 2007, 10:40:04 PM
Hello? Alien franchise? Aliens not being public knowledge? Clearly the Predators are very good at cleaning their shit up after themselves.
That doesn't matter, the point is, its a risky endeavor and AVP was a close call.
QuoteThat doesn't matter, the point is, its a risky endeavor and AVP was a close call.
Nah AVP wasn't a close call. There was a huge ship with a bucketload of predators on board, even if Scar and Lex failed to kill the Queen the mothership would have and then left without a trace. It might not be logical and it might be risky but it's obviously a risk the predators are willing to take.
Ah yes...which I guess brings us right around to the original question. They got bucket loads of preds waiting in space for the outcome of the manhood ritual, then...
I'll just accept Horhey's balls argument. :)
what if wolf is disgraced somehow...and thats how we see the pred homeplanet...and the preds hear about the ship crash and send wolf out to clean up the mess and redeam himself?
Quote from: pred_alien on Sep 19, 2007, 11:11:29 PM
what if wolf is disgraced somehow...and thats how we see the pred homeplanet...and the preds hear about the ship crash and send wolf out to clean up the mess and redeam himself?
possible....but discribing that on screen would be almost impossible without subtitles, which i could live with
it also gives wolf a more personal motive...hes not only trying to eliminate the aliens but to also redeem himself
It could be a nice idea.
makes him more deretermined
ya
Quote from: Docta Jekyll on Sep 19, 2007, 12:44:11 AM
or they could have only sent him because they know they won't need any other predators, because Wolf will be enough
In that case, it seems they have not learnt the value of the proverb, 'putting all your eggs in one basket'.
Even Predators can't account for 'Golden BBs' and Sod's Law.
Again, that is precisely why even the most effective and experienced Special Forces units are
still units of more than one individual. Teams both stand a greater chance of survival and get missions done quicker and more efficiently.
Quote from: Horhey on Sep 19, 2007, 03:37:36 PM
Actually, "Skynet sent 2 Terminators back in time". The machines didnt have time to send more than 2 becouse "their defense grid was smashed" and their base had been taken over by the resistance. Tech-Com supposedley destroyed Skynet and won the war.
Correct. :)
It also took a f**kload of raw power to achieve - which is
also the reason why Connor's forces only sent back one human. Skynet was scrambling for survival and diverting all resources into the battle which was raging, then and there. Travelling through time was apparently both very experimental and a last resort.
It might also have been a test: Send a single Terminator with a mission. If the timeline does not immediately alter, it logically knows the effort did not work. It might even have concluded the the laws of time, itself, prevented the mission from being achieved and, for that reason, simply decided not to attempt it again.
Similarly, contact might keep on being lost with the bases they're doing that at. Maybe the T-1000 was sent from a different palce than the T-800. Likewise for the TX. They might have sent the order to do it, received no confirmation because Connor's forces over-ran the places immediately and put contingency plans into effect.
'
Terminator 3' did at least cement the fact that Skynet managed to survive past that time, to when the children were creating whatever problems made them a far bigger threat than John Connor ever had been.
Skynet probably considered experimenting with time as a risky prospect, at best. It had better things to do.
We also only know about the ones sent after John and Sarah. We know the Terminatrix was sent back, not to kill John or Sarah, but completely different targets. When it found John and Katherine, they were targets of opportunity.
From that, we know Skynet
has been sending numerous Terminators back through time. They simply had other missions.
I think it would be neat for a future story in that franchise to deal with a deactivated one found in some old coalmine, dating back to the Wild West. A lot of possibilities exist.
true but that might be pushing it i'd prefer a future war movie for now so they don't beat the Terminator goes after someone story
It takes impossible energy to send someone through time. No plothole people. Nice try :P
whats with all the terminator tslk i thoughtt thiz was avpgalaxy not teminator galaxy..
jeez get with the times people.. terminator has lost it, for me neway.. the series looks crap too.
preds and aliens all the way.. we need some kinda sick anime sieries of avp.. would be ace.
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
First of all he's a veteran hunter and warrior who most likely faced the aliens before. The whip is supposed to be made from an alien's tail, he couldn't have got that without killing an alien. The broken mandible and acid burns indicate he's been through a lot and survived.
Secondly, he was probably the only predator of his caliber close enough to be sent to earth. Other predators just as experienced surely exist but by the time it would take to get them there, the infestation would have been in progress and would be harder to contain.
Quote from: ballzanya on Sep 20, 2007, 02:03:14 AM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
First of all he's a veteran hunter and warrior who most likely faced the aliens before. The whip is supposed to be made from an alien's tail, he couldn't have got that without killing an alien. The broken mandible and acid burns indicate he's been through a lot and survived.
Secondly, he was probably the only predator of his caliber close enough to be sent to earth. Other predators just as experienced surely exist but by the time it would take to get them there, the infestation would have been in progress and would be harder to contain.
I'd like the idea of that he was already on earth, hunting for sport, and it just by luck that the pred ship crashing on his hunting terf!
The problem with that predator homeworld theory is at the start with the preds the only way it would make sense with subtitles like someone said before.....but it also takes some mistuique(sorry cant spell to good) from him and it will turn it into kinda like a documentary thing. and it will also slow the start of the movie down a bit, im not sayin that its a bad idea and all its a pretty good motive and all.... but the only way it could work is if they didnt it in a rythm that kept the movie goin. im not sayin my ideas are better.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 19, 2007, 11:53:11 PM
It also took a f**kload of raw power to achieve - which is also the reason why Connor's forces only sent back one human. Skynet was scrambling for survival and diverting all resources into the battle which was raging, then and there. Travelling through time was apparently both very experimental and a last resort.
It might also have been a test: Send a single Terminator with a mission. If the timeline does not immediately alter, it logically knows the effort did not work. It might even have concluded the the laws of time, itself, prevented the mission from being achieved and, for that reason, simply decided not to attempt it again.
Similarly, contact might keep on being lost with the bases they're doing that at. Maybe the T-1000 was sent from a different palce than the T-800. Likewise for the TX. They might have sent the order to do it, received no confirmation because Connor's forces over-ran the places immediately and put contingency plans into effect.
'Terminator 3' did at least cement the fact that Skynet managed to survive past that time, to when the children were creating whatever problems made them a far bigger threat than John Connor ever had been.
Skynet probably considered experimenting with time as a risky prospect, at best. It had better things to do.
We also only know about the ones sent after John and Sarah. We know the Terminatrix was sent back, not to kill John or Sarah, but completely different targets. When it found John and Katherine, they were targets of opportunity.
From that, we know Skynet has been sending numerous Terminators back through time. They simply had other missions.
The idea that the T1 T-800 and the T-1000 were sent back at the same time is a T2 retcon that while scripted was never filmed.
I warned you guys that this was getting into seriously nerdy territory but you asked for it. As I said before the only way it makes sense is alternate timelines and paradoxes. For example the T-800 in T2 came from a timeline where Dyson and Cyberdine were responsible for Skynet and Judgement Day happened in 1997. Because that T-800 was able to give Sarah the information, she altered the future history making the timeline that the T-800 came from an alternate branch. Because Judgement Day didn't happen until 2003 the future that the T2 T-800 existed in couldn't logically just cease to exist because it already was.
The same goes for the T-800 in T3 telling John Connor that he kills him in 2032. By definition he has already altered this future because now Connor is aware that a T-800 will be used to appeal to his sympathies theoretically making the future timeline that the T3 T-800 came from an alternate branch as well.
And of course there is the paradox that John Connor would never exist in the original future timeline without sending his father back in time. If Reese died before John could send him back, what would happen to John? Terminator never had a cheesy Back to the Future disappearing picture type thing so again it would create another alternate branch of time. Which opens the door to the question of which timeline Reese and the original T800 came from.
:o that's nerdy.
Pfft, anybody who posts here would be living a lie if they said they weren't part nerd.
*pushes up glasses*
Quote from: SiL on Sep 20, 2007, 08:53:11 AM
Pfft, anybody who posts here would be living a lie if they said they weren't part nerd.
*pushes up glasses*
We're mostly geeks, only the select few are part nerd as well.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 20, 2007, 08:53:11 AM
Pfft, anybody who posts here would be living a lie if they said they weren't part nerd.
*pushes up glasses*
HAHA i agree i am a nerd when it comes to Predator/AVP stuff, i owe it all to my dad ;)
No I`m not Nerd ;)........... Maybe a little bit when it comes to my interests ;D
Quote from: Crom on Sep 20, 2007, 09:32:13 AM
We're mostly geeks, only the select few are part nerd as well.
The light, it burns!
Maybe I should get glasses to complete the image. Then put on a few pounds, make a small flag with an Alien head on it, turn off the lights and scream BAH! at the computer whenever someone posts something I disagree with.
Fu*k that was realy NERDISH please SIL stop cause I`m begining to feel uncomfortable ;D ;D ;D
Least I don't overuse smileys. Just sayin' is all.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 20, 2007, 09:44:26 AM
Quote from: Crom on Sep 20, 2007, 09:32:13 AM
We're mostly geeks, only the select few are part nerd as well.
The light, it burns!
Maybe I should get glasses to complete the image. Then put on a few pounds, make a small flag with an Alien head on it, turn off the lights and scream BAH! at the computer whenever someone posts something I disagree with.
That's kind of the way I always pictured you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hey I'm a nerd and proud of it! In-fact my girlfriend actually finds that attractive. She gets turned on when I talk nerdy to her and especially wh3|\| ! g3t @LL l33t! !n t3h b3|)r00m ;D
Nah I think its cool being a nerd.
My fellow nerds I solute thee!! 8)
Especial SiL – serious nerd that guy ;)
Quote from: ElitePredator on Sep 20, 2007, 04:51:13 AM
Quote from: ballzanya on Sep 20, 2007, 02:03:14 AM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
First of all he's a veteran hunter and warrior who most likely faced the aliens before. The whip is supposed to be made from an alien's tail, he couldn't have got that without killing an alien. The broken mandible and acid burns indicate he's been through a lot and survived.
Secondly, he was probably the only predator of his caliber close enough to be sent to earth. Other predators just as experienced surely exist but by the time it would take to get them there, the infestation would have been in progress and would be harder to contain.
I'd like the idea of that he was already on earth, hunting for sport, and it just by luck that the pred ship crashing on his hunting terf!
Maybe, just maybe! The ship that crashes is returning to pick Wolf up from his hunt?
Edit: More on this...we see the skinned humans in the forest as this was when Wolf was hunting - before the ship crashed. Ah-Ha! Good idea! In the back of the net!
Possible, very possible. ( Saluting to you Nerds)
Quote from: Crom on Sep 20, 2007, 10:28:17 AM
That's kind of the way I always pictured you.
I'm not surprised. But in reality, I like to be able to see my toes when I look down, and I have very good eyesight. Living in a hot country keeps the light up, and I leave my Alien flag upstairs with the collection ;)
my theory is.wether someones said it or not..
While the ship is getting trashed.. all preds abandon ship (due to system malfuntions nd loss of control) they all head to the escape pods,while we have all women and children first,to them its higher ranks first.
Because the preds are running from chet,the preds are easy pickings, the lower ranks stay and fight because they no theyll most likly be left on board.
They stay to kill chet,but to of no avail.
meanwhile the eldar and wolf are heading for the escape pod.just as the eldar is about to reach the pod ,electronics spark and theres a gas explosion causing a heavy amount of metal,to crash into the eldar.
The eldar is stuck, unable to move also having got himself a few broken bones.
Time is of the essense as chet is drawing in fast,the eldar looks at wolf and points to the pod.
"save yourself" so to speak.wolf gets into the pod and sets off.
yet back on the ship we see the eldar struggling as chet slowly desends a shodow over him and takes the eldar for the kill.
once the ship crashes,wolf is also hurling towards earth.
he crashes somewhat a few good miles away from the ship.
then he basically finds the ship, grabs someweapons, also to find no trace of chet whatso ever.
but notices one thing.. the incubation chamber for the holding of huggers is detroyed and once again no sign of alien contact.one thing he does find is the eldars mangled body upon the rubble.
Wolf snarls a low roar,neals infront to do a prayer of some sort, and gets up with a more angry snarl, sees the eldars connon and attacthes it onto his other shoulder. He swears revenge for the death of his people, and destroys the ship using a new imploding bomb to get rid of evidence, thus for the hunt has begin for chet and whoever gets in his way is gonna pay.
bout it.. i like my idea, but half way through writing i thought.. hmm he gets sent.
oh well.. see what u guys think ne way. :D
Quote from: ChAoS on Sep 20, 2007, 11:43:12 AM
my theory is.wether someones said it or not..
While the ship is getting trashed.. all preds abandon ship (due to system malfuntions nd loss of control) they all head to the escape pods,while we have all women and children first,to them its higher ranks first.
Because the preds are running from chet,the preds are easy pickings, the lower ranks stay and fight because they no theyll most likly be left on board.
They stay to kill chet,but to of no avail.
meanwhile the eldar and wolf are heading for the escape pod.just as the eldar is about to reach the pod ,electronics spark and theres a gas explosion causing a heavy amount of metal,to crash into the eldar.
The eldar is stuck, unable to move also having got himself a few broken bones.
Time is of the essense as chet is drawing in fast,the eldar looks at wolf and points to the pod.
"save yourself" so to speak.wolf gets into the pod and sets off.
yet back on the ship we see the eldar struggling as chet slowly desends a shodow over him and takes the eldar for the kill.
once the ship crashes,wolf is also hurling towards earth.
he crashes somewhat a few good miles away from the ship.
then he basically finds the ship, grabs someweapons, also to find no trace of chet whatso ever.
but notices one thing.. the incubation chamber for the holding of huggers is detroyed and once again no sign of alien contact.one thing he does find is the eldars mangled body upon the rubble.
Wolf snarls a low roar,neals infront to do a prayer of some sort, and gets up with a more angry snarl, sees the eldars connon and attacthes it onto his other shoulder. He swears revenge for the death of his people, and destroys the ship using a new imploding bomb to get rid of evidence, thus for the hunt has begin for chet and whoever gets in his way is gonna pay.
bout it.. i like my idea, but half way through writing i thought.. hmm he gets sent.
oh well.. see what u guys think ne way. :D
It's a nice story but it's just too human
ChAos that is very good asumption.. but im not that sure about wolf being on the ship though, but hey we will never no till the movie comes out (but i respect your idea) .....what would be ironic is if wolf was a bad blood. and he was killing for his own gratisfaction...but i doubt it anyway cause he is a veteran hunter....and he would have alot of honour....i think that to vortep with that seeing the predators comunicate to much and all it just makes you see it from there point of view and were meant to be seein it from the humans point of view, but we also have thepredators and aliens as importnt characters
Quote from: SiL on Sep 20, 2007, 11:13:01 AM
Quote from: Crom on Sep 20, 2007, 10:28:17 AM
That's kind of the way I always pictured you.
I'm not surprised. But in reality, I like to be able to see my toes when I look down, and I have very good eyesight. Living in a hot country keeps the light up, and I leave my Alien flag upstairs with the collection ;)
But screamnig and shouting is a differen case though ;)
Check this:
Quote from: vortep on Sep 20, 2007, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: ChAoS on Sep 20, 2007, 11:43:12 AM
my theory is.wether someones said it or not..
While the ship is getting trashed.. all preds abandon ship (due to system malfuntions nd loss of control) they all head to the escape pods,while we have all women and children first,to them its higher ranks first.
Because the preds are running from chet,the preds are easy pickings, the lower ranks stay and fight because they no theyll most likly be left on board.
They stay to kill chet,but to of no avail.
meanwhile the eldar and wolf are heading for the escape pod.just as the eldar is about to reach the pod ,electronics spark and theres a gas explosion causing a heavy amount of metal,to crash into the eldar.
The eldar is stuck, unable to move also having got himself a few broken bones.
Time is of the essense as chet is drawing in fast,the eldar looks at wolf and points to the pod.
"save yourself" so to speak.wolf gets into the pod and sets off.
yet back on the ship we see the eldar struggling as chet slowly desends a shodow over him and takes the eldar for the kill.
once the ship crashes,wolf is also hurling towards earth.
he crashes somewhat a few good miles away from the ship.
then he basically finds the ship, grabs someweapons, also to find no trace of chet whatso ever.
but notices one thing.. the incubation chamber for the holding of huggers is detroyed and once again no sign of alien contact.one thing he does find is the eldars mangled body upon the rubble.
Wolf snarls a low roar,neals infront to do a prayer of some sort, and gets up with a more angry snarl, sees the eldars connon and attacthes it onto his other shoulder. He swears revenge for the death of his people, and destroys the ship using a new imploding bomb to get rid of evidence, thus for the hunt has begin for chet and whoever gets in his way is gonna pay.
bout it.. i like my idea, but half way through writing i thought.. hmm he gets sent.
oh well.. see what u guys think ne way. :D
It's a nice story but it's just too human
Quote from: PredatorBruth on Sep 20, 2007, 11:52:32 AM
ChAos that is very good asumption.. but im not that sure about wolf being on the ship though, but hey we will never no till the movie comes out (but i respect your idea) .....what would be ironic is if wolf was a bad blood. and he was killing for his own gratisfaction...but i doubt it anyway cause he is a veteran hunter....and he would have alot of honour....
I understand it being to human but thats what i like to see in a pred.. it gives them more life, i remember someone on these boards saying they didnt like the shot of wolf running away from the ship because he looked too human(but i loved it of course) it gives him more realism.
And yes thanks predbruth, but it wont be that neway lol, cuz he gets sent, id just rather see him on the ship, or, hes a pred on a leugue of his own and is paid on contract as such to do jobs for preds, kinda like a space pirate,id love that idea. thats what i rekond for pred 2. But pred 1 looks as if he could be the same kinda clan as wolf for some reason.. i dunno, i can just see it.
Yeah i respect your preferences for it.....i wouldnt mind seein the preds like that either as long as i get to see the preds on the screen.
the preds need more life then just moaning monsters, it can show the agilenest of a pred.
Yeah i agree.....thats why i like them more then aliens cause they do have a human like side to them.....but i aint a fan of the samurai predators like in AVP....id rather the old school hunters
i liked how the pred in pred1 jumped around with the slow camera, but now it just looks alot better because i dont see them as horrible disgusting aliens nemore i see them as somthing like the next big game hero like master chief or somthing lol. if ya no what i mean ;)
Yeah i get ya....i like to see them do bad things but they are like actually doing good things....like to me in alien vs predator and all the preds are like anti-heros but it aint that bad cause there still doin the kick ass shit they do...
Why send only a single predator to deal with a xenomorph infestation? That's easy to answer. Because only one is needed. And no, I'm not talking about the ground-pounding combat skill of that lone predator.
You guys are forgetting a very important factor here. That lone predator arrived in a starship with the technology and power to cross the vast gulf between stars at faster-than-light speeds. To clear an infestation, all Wolf would have to do is nuke the site from orbit and head home. Hell, if he so desired, he could probably sterilize the Earth of all life with the firepower aboard his craft.
Wolf is just having a little fun first.
Quote from: James OCanis on Sep 22, 2007, 03:18:49 AM
Why send only a single predator to deal with a xenomorph infestation? That's easy to answer. Because only one is needed. And no, I'm not talking about the ground-pounding combat skill of that lone predator.
You guys are forgetting a very important factor here. That lone predator arrived in a starship with the technology and power to cross the vast gulf between stars at faster-than-light speeds. To clear an infestation, all Wolf would have to do is nuke the site from orbit and head home. Hell, if he so desired, he could probably sterilize the Earth of all life with the firepower aboard his craft.
Wolf is just having a little fun first.
I agree that he is probably just having fun..cause thats why they hunt they find it fun, the thrill of the hunt. but if he nuked all of the aliens that would be dishonourable...and it wouldnt apply to the rules of the hunt....like when we go hunting for deer and other animals we dont kill them with explosives....i dont think his goal is to kill all of thats not the reason i think its cause he want the honour of killin them....
Oh please.
That "honor" crap came from the comics, along with a bunch of other bad ideas. The predators I see in the movies are a bunch of cheap bastards who are sore losers and have a few simple rules for "sporting" conduct: kill the people with guns, don't kill the people without guns, give prey that kills one of your comrades a trophy and then tell him to get the hell off our ship. If they were so honorable, they wouldn't carry around revenge wrist nukes. They'd just quietly accept their deaths and have their technology fizzle out Mission Impossible-style.
They are, as a certain General says in one of the video games, "like children hunting insects"
So yeah, I think they'd have no problem nuking a xenomorph hive. After hunting them for a while, of course. They couldn't pass up the opportunity.
Well yeah it aint really honour samurai code thing......its more like a fair game like you dont get no respect for killing innocent people, im not saying aliens are innocent they definately arent...so you get more respect from your fellow hunters by killin em with your own skills....
Yet, we see one of them prime a wrist nuke in the middle of a heavily populated city. I don't think they have any concept of "innocent". We're nothing to them. We're animals for them to slaughter for fun and bragging rights.
For a truly fair fight, I think you'd have to strip a predator of all their technology and weapons and just give them a bow and case of arrows. Maybe.
Thats the thing...they dont do it to fight...theyre going hunting...like when we hunt animals we dont make sure we make its fair to them....weren the ones hunting so we have the advantage....thats why they like hunting humans cause were more of a challenge....so they have there hunting tools we have ours.....now as for him activating that bombin the city....what i think is when theyre intending to kill theyve got to do it in a good sport way, but he was about to die so he new he had to activate thta no matter what even if killing innocence, he didnt want them to get his wepons and all...so to him the secrecy to his race was much more important than his respect...
Using a tactical nuke to wipe out their technology runs way past overkill, laughs at crazy, and leaps straight into ridiculous. An EMP or some small-scale meltdown would do the job fine.
I don't drop a MOAB onto my house when I need to wipe my hard drive.
Although people would certainly take better care of their computers if that was the only option. I think people get hung up on the predators trying to protect their tech because of what Keyes says in the second movie about wanting his tech. If you think about it, if the predators wanted total discretion they could achieve it without nuking "300 city blocks".
well ya never no they might need to use that WristBomb for something else not just to get rid of their existence...
They are just going out this world with stylish big "KABOOM" ;D I see nothing wrong in it.
The Elder was wise, and he knew that the budget would only be enough for one Predator.
Try to keep on the topic of 'Why the Predator's only send The Wolf' and away from discussing who is a Nerd and who isn't.
Quote from: Dusk on Sep 22, 2007, 11:06:22 PM
The Elder was wise, and he knew that the budget would only be enough for one Predator.
:D :D
Well after read your's oppenions about hat question i concludet that they send him becose he is enogh powerfull and have done it before and they dont want to sucraface other "bayes" like the preds from avp
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess, I mean look how many Aliens there is and its clear to see WE drop a bomb so Wolf wasnt really enough.
Wolf is an awesome mighty Predator that does things solo, he is like John McLane, Techno Viking, Chuck Norris, and Indiana Jones all in one(And they were his mentors).
Yes but come on even as bas ass wolf is, he had no chance.
They could've hired Private Zim as well, he caught the Brain-bug by himself.
Thats true.
I am being silly, you know.
I like the idea, makes him more heroic and easy to root for.
Even though we should also be rooting for the humans.
Cause Wolfman is so awesome in his awesomeness,so major in his majorness..he doesn,t need armour... I,d have to say,HARDCOOOORE!.
Aliens quake in his prescence,reducing them to generic cliche's to be used and abused as boogie monsters.
Damn,.. wolf is so badarse all continuity and common sense pail into insignificance. He,ll play Pest Control, ravage some humans,nuke the town and be home in time for dinner,back on Planet Predator... all before you can say 'Wolf you are so Rambo'
so the Town is over-run and Wolf had to do it all on his tod??? because he is bad ass??? give me a break and would running round like a mad----err--pred lol.
Wolf was a special gift for Predator fanboys who felt that AvP was unbalanced because it showed Aliens killing Predators.
woow the alien fans arent to happy about there only beeing 1 predator exterminating the bugs LOL ;D
maybe wolf is on earth at the time and the predators tell him what has happened and he goes to kill all of the aliens. We do not yet know if wolf is on the predator home world, earth or somewhere else when he is told. Or has it been confirmed that wolf is on the predator home world when he is told?
You know whats wierd said is instead of rooting for the humans we want the aliens and preds to kill them in painful ways :-\ :P :P
QuoteYou know whats wierd said is instead of rooting for the humans we want the aliens and preds to kill them in painful ways
Thats because we are Alien and/ or Predator fans, offcourse we want them to rip the humans apart!
True but u would think u would be rooting for your race and i dnt think we got any preds or aliens here
I was just trying to make a point that we are all kinda sadistic in that we want humans to die
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess, I mean look how many Aliens there is and its clear to see WE drop a bomb so Wolf wasnt really enough.
that is because he is an extremely seasoned(experienced and proven) predator. one of the elites. it is the only explanation for this, and the fact that he can waste aliens left and right like it's nothin.
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Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess, I mean look how many Aliens there is and its clear to see WE drop a bomb so Wolf wasnt really enough.
that is because he is an extremely seasoned(experienced and proven) predator. one of the elites. it is the only explanation for this, and the fact that he can waste aliens left and right like it's nothin.
so One Elite predator can take on thousands of Aliens?
BINGO!
are you doubting the big bad wolf?
Quote from: pmor087 on Dec 05, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
BINGO!
are you doubting the big bad wolf?
yes cus as you see in the tv spot humans have to drop the bomb
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 09:23:47 PM
Wolf was a special gift for Predator fanboys who felt that AvP was unbalanced because it showed Aliens killing Predators.
You think so? Lol.
The bottom line is that, yes, it was a bit of a foolish decision to take, if we're being logical about the situation. Someone on the production team gave the analogy of it being like how a single Terminator was sent back in time, but since its target was an unaware, untrained, unarmed young woman in the eighties, that analogy doesn't really apply. :)
No matter how elite it is, a team of them would have been much better. That's why even the most successful of special forces, in our own militaries, send out teams. They can get jobs done quicker and more efficiently.
And a single Predator has no way to sweep an entire town and the surrounding woods, on its own.
It was a decision taken for reasons of iconic style, as best as we can discern, at this time.
accually, they didnt send just one pred. what you don't see is about 10 cloaked preds killing tons of aliens...offscreen. Wolf is the only one without issues about his looks, so he doesnt cloak the whole movie ;)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2007, 10:49:19 PM
The bottom line is that, yes, it was a bit of a foolish decision to take, if we're being logical about the situation. Someone on the production team gave the analogy of it being like how a single Terminator was sent back in time, but since its target was an unaware, untrained, unarmed young woman in the eighties, that analogy doesn't really apply. :)
No matter how elite it is, a team of them would have been much better. That's why even the most successful of special forces, in our own militaries, send out teams. They can get jobs done quicker and more efficiently.
And a single Predator has no way to sweep an entire town and the surrounding woods, on its own.
It was a decision taken for reasons of iconic style, as best as we can discern, at this time.
He could be there just to blow up the ship, they might not know about the aliens
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 05, 2007, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 05, 2007, 10:49:19 PM
The bottom line is that, yes, it was a bit of a foolish decision to take, if we're being logical about the situation. Someone on the production team gave the analogy of it being like how a single Terminator was sent back in time, but since its target was an unaware, untrained, unarmed young woman in the eighties, that analogy doesn't really apply. :)
No matter how elite it is, a team of them would have been much better. That's why even the most successful of special forces, in our own militaries, send out teams. They can get jobs done quicker and more efficiently.
And a single Predator has no way to sweep an entire town and the surrounding woods, on its own.
It was a decision taken for reasons of iconic style, as best as we can discern, at this time.
He could be there just to blow up the ship, they might not know about the aliens
This is what i wanted to write!
You want to know who says a single Predator can take out a multitude of aliens as opposed to a groupd of Predators? The budget, that's who.
But seriously, I like the idea of 1 predator sent to clean up the alien mess. It's much more in the style of Predator and Predator 2, only having to keep track of 1 Predator for the bulk of the movie.
How can a Pred be an experienced "Alien hunter" in the first place? Preds can hunt humans because we can't see them due to the cloak, but it makes more sense for Aliens to stalk Preds because they're not fooled by the cloak...and because Aliens are faster, more manueverable, and more agile.
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 05, 2007, 11:06:09 PM
He could be there just to blow up the ship, they might not know about the aliens
My original hope was that it simply would not care about them, but later quotes from the production team allude to it being there, specifically to kill them all.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:20:47 PM
...and because Aliens are faster, more manueverable, and more agile.
Especially when they're running headlong into sentry turrets with reckless abandon.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:20:47 PM
How can a Pred be an experienced "Alien hunter" in the first place? Preds can hunt humans because we can't see them due to the cloak, but it makes more sense for Aliens to stalk Preds because they're not fooled by the cloak...and because Aliens are faster, more manueverable, and more agile.
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Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess
One crisis, one Predator. ;)
Quote from: holdtheline on Dec 05, 2007, 11:36:23 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess
One crisis, one Predator. ;)
::)
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 05, 2007, 11:25:46 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:20:47 PM
...and because Aliens are faster, more manueverable, and more agile.
Especially when they're running headlong into sentry turrets with reckless abandon.
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
And it's funny how that's the only instance this movie's fanboys cite when it comes to portraying Aliens in the original films, disregarding the rest of Aliens and the rest of the whole series.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
And it's funny how that's the only instance this movie's fanboys cite when it comes to portraying Aliens in the original films, disregarding the rest of Aliens and the rest of the whole series.
I think it's safe to say that aliens were being hit, judging from the noises they were making. In any case, it's easiest to use examples in Aliens than, say, Alien 3 or even Alien Rez as this is the only time we see multiple aliens in a combat situation, as opposed to say, one alien stalking a few convicts in a prison.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
There are a few interesting shots, where the Aliens are in 'ambush' pose, indicating a number were able to out-flank the things and only get shot when almost in a position to destroy the things. That and the low number of confirmed kills points to them using distraction tactics, way up ahead, such as rushing across an opening, rather than heading down it, in order to draw fire.
For the most part, however, you're correct, yes. :)
Plus, it was a relatively narrow corridor.
well send in a team of teen preds or the HARDCORE WOLF ?
:D yes as i thought ( WOLF WOLF WOLF) :D
Wolf is their top "hitman". That's why.
Quote from: Yautja161 on Dec 05, 2007, 09:37:18 PM
QuoteYou know whats wierd said is instead of rooting for the humans we want the aliens and preds to kill them in painful ways
Thats because we are Alien and/ or Predator fans, offcourse we want them to rip the humans apart!
Wait, there are humans in this movie? Sign me off. ;)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 06, 2007, 12:26:53 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
There are a few interesting shots, where the Aliens are in 'ambush' pose, indicating a number were able to out-flank the things and only get shot when almost in a position to destroy the things. That and the low number of confirmed kills points to them using distraction tactics, way up ahead, such as rushing across an opening, rather than heading down it, in order to draw fire.
For the most part, however, you're correct, yes. :)
Plus, it was a relatively narrow corridor.
wishfull thinking, you hear the screams, they got wasted. Their strength is in numbers, and sacrifices were made obviously.
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 06, 2007, 03:45:28 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 06, 2007, 12:26:53 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
There are a few interesting shots, where the Aliens are in 'ambush' pose, indicating a number were able to out-flank the things and only get shot when almost in a position to destroy the things. That and the low number of confirmed kills points to them using distraction tactics, way up ahead, such as rushing across an opening, rather than heading down it, in order to draw fire.
For the most part, however, you're correct, yes. :)
Plus, it was a relatively narrow corridor.
wishfull thinking, you hear the screams, they got wasted. Their strength is in numbers, and sacrifices were made obviously.
Ok assuming that the Aliens took heavy casualities before neutralizing the sentry guns in Aliens, it certainly isn't logical for them to try to get in so bad. I mean there were only Burke, Ripley, Hudson, Hicks, Newt, Vasquez, Gorman- 6 potential hosts, Bishop doesn't count. Why would the Aliens try so hard to get to 6 hosts? There has to be another reason. Maybe they didn't know how many hosts were in there, but then again, how did they even now where they were at. Alien intelligence is still that- Alien.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 06, 2007, 03:59:18 AM
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 06, 2007, 03:45:28 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 06, 2007, 12:26:53 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
There are a few interesting shots, where the Aliens are in 'ambush' pose, indicating a number were able to out-flank the things and only get shot when almost in a position to destroy the things. That and the low number of confirmed kills points to them using distraction tactics, way up ahead, such as rushing across an opening, rather than heading down it, in order to draw fire.
For the most part, however, you're correct, yes. :)
Plus, it was a relatively narrow corridor.
wishfull thinking, you hear the screams, they got wasted. Their strength is in numbers, and sacrifices were made obviously.
Ok assuming that the Aliens took heavy casualities before neutralizing the sentry guns in Aliens, it certainly isn't logical for them to try to get in so bad. I mean there were only Burke, Ripley, Hudson, Hicks, Newt, Vasquez, Gorman- 6 potential hosts, Bishop doesn't count. Why would the Aliens try so hard to get to 6 hosts? There has to be another reason. Maybe they didn't know how many hosts were in there, but then again, how did they even now where they were at. Alien intelligence is still that- Alien.
Yes, and that is why 21 years after the film was released, people are still talking about why the aliens did what they did. That, or your all a bunch of hard outs.
Alien fans think aliens are smarter than they really are but we pred fan boys do same thing but i think it is safe to say aliens are like this
"puts finger in spark plug" "ow that hurts"
"how much does it hurt though" Ow problem solved" ;D
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 06, 2007, 03:45:28 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 06, 2007, 12:26:53 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
There are a few interesting shots, where the Aliens are in 'ambush' pose, indicating a number were able to out-flank the things and only get shot when almost in a position to destroy the things. That and the low number of confirmed kills points to them using distraction tactics, way up ahead, such as rushing across an opening, rather than heading down it, in order to draw fire.
For the most part, however, you're correct, yes. :)
Plus, it was a relatively narrow corridor.
wishfull thinking, you hear the screams, they got wasted. Their strength is in numbers, and sacrifices were made obviously.
Wishful thinking on your part.
The fact is, we only see a few carcasses lying in the corridor after the attack, on the monitors.
We know that sentries spray bullets everywhere, just look at how many shots they spent just hitting the barrel Hudson threw.
And that was a barrel, imagine trying to hit a fast-moving Alien.
Simply put, anything beyond the 4-5 dead Aliens we know about is conjecture.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 06, 2007, 04:05:13 AM
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 06, 2007, 03:45:28 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 06, 2007, 12:26:53 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
There are a few interesting shots, where the Aliens are in 'ambush' pose, indicating a number were able to out-flank the things and only get shot when almost in a position to destroy the things. That and the low number of confirmed kills points to them using distraction tactics, way up ahead, such as rushing across an opening, rather than heading down it, in order to draw fire.
For the most part, however, you're correct, yes. :)
Plus, it was a relatively narrow corridor.
wishfull thinking, you hear the screams, they got wasted. Their strength is in numbers, and sacrifices were made obviously.
Wishful thinking on your part.
The fact is, we only see a few carcasses lying in the corridor after the attack, on the monitors.
We know that sentries spray bullets everywhere, just look at how many shots they spent just hitting the barrel Hudson threw.
And that was a barrel, imagine trying to hit a fast-moving Alien.
Simply put, anything beyond the 4-5 dead Aliens we know about is conjecture.
Do they have to show everything? There was a lot of squeling going on from the Aliens. They usually don't squel like that unless they are getting hit.
They also wither around like stupid idiots sometimes, don't forget that.
We saw aliens stalk preds in avp. Preds are the hunters and should be able to do the same. Depends if one is distracted or not (aliens distracted by humans in store trailer, or pred distracted by humans in avp). I won't be suprised if Wolf is snuck up on, as you see in the store trailer where the alien jumps down on him.
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 05, 2007, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: holdtheline on Dec 05, 2007, 11:36:23 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess
One crisis, one Predator. ;)
::)
Don't take it too seriously. ;)
Lets just say that Wolf is an elite predator, and that he equals 10 predators.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
Yes and we never really see jungle hunter get blown up, maybe he teleported to a predator hospital...what's your point ::)
Maybe he was cocky and said to the other preds "psh, alien infestations are ez cakes, ill take it". We know he is over confident.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 06, 2007, 04:36:56 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
Yes and we never really see jungle hunter get blown up, maybe he teleported to a predator hospital...what's your point ::)
Thats kind of weak. Don't worry, it makes me cringe too.
Hudson's comments and the numerous Alien screams certainly imply quite a lot of Alien deaths occurring in the sentry gun scene.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 06, 2007, 04:36:56 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
Yes and we never really see jungle hunter get blown up, maybe he teleported to a predator hospital...what's your point ::)
That's a cop out and you know it. You're just avoiding the fact that you don't know how many Aliens die by the sentry guns.
I'm going by what's shown on film, you're going by your own personal bias.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 06, 2007, 04:05:13 AM
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 06, 2007, 03:45:28 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 06, 2007, 12:26:53 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
There are a few interesting shots, where the Aliens are in 'ambush' pose, indicating a number were able to out-flank the things and only get shot when almost in a position to destroy the things. That and the low number of confirmed kills points to them using distraction tactics, way up ahead, such as rushing across an opening, rather than heading down it, in order to draw fire.
For the most part, however, you're correct, yes. :)
Plus, it was a relatively narrow corridor.
wishfull thinking, you hear the screams, they got wasted. Their strength is in numbers, and sacrifices were made obviously.
Wishful thinking on your part.
The fact is, we only see a few carcasses lying in the corridor after the attack, on the monitors.
We know that sentries spray bullets everywhere, just look at how many shots they spent just hitting the barrel Hudson threw.
And that was a barrel, imagine trying to hit a fast-moving Alien.
Simply put, anything beyond the 4-5 dead Aliens we know about is conjecture.
Thats exactley what someone in denial would say.
Further proof is found further on in the movie, queen tells 2 aliens to attack, 2 aliens get blown away by one women with one gun.
Quote from: gases on Dec 06, 2007, 04:37:42 AM
Thats kind of weak. Don't worry, it makes me cringe too.
I've learned over time that the simplest explanation is usually right
maybe next time because I don't want to admit that City Hunter got killed by Danny Glover, I'll claim that he really just went into a coma and he got patched up on the homeplanet
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 06, 2007, 04:42:36 AM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 06, 2007, 04:36:56 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 05, 2007, 11:53:33 PM
Too bad that never happens. All we see are the guns firing at distant targets.
Yes and we never really see jungle hunter get blown up, maybe he teleported to a predator hospital...what's your point ::)
That's a cop out and you know it. You're just avoiding the fact that you don't know how many Aliens die by the sentry guns.
I'm going by what's shown on film, you're going by your own personal bias.
Like most people in these forums.
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Thats exactley what someone in denial would say.
Further proof is found further on in the movie, queen tells 2 aliens to attack, 2 aliens get blown away by one women with one gun.
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That has what to do with the sentry gun scene?
Okay, now I'm going to have to ask you to post proof of hordes of Aliens blindly running at the sentries and getting mowed down.
If you can't find any proof, why exactly should I argue with you?
It is IMPLIED in the Sentry Gun scene that the Aliens are running blindly towards the sentry guns because of there screams. That is the answer.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 06, 2007, 04:47:17 AM
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Thats exactley what someone in denial would say.
Further proof is found further on in the movie, queen tells 2 aliens to attack, 2 aliens get blown away by one women with one gun.
That has what to do with the sentry gun scene?
Okay, now I'm going to have to ask you to post proof of hordes of Aliens blindly running at the sentries and getting mowed down.
If you can't find any proof, why exactly should I argue with you?
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I've just gave you proof, if aliens were as smart as you claim to be at dodging bullets, when the first alien hit the deck from ripleys pulse rifel, dont you think the second would think "hang on, my mates just clocked it, maybe not a good idea"
They clearly dont recognise guns, or the danger. Meaning, they probably didnt realise they couldnt get past the centry guns, unitl a fair few were blown away.
These things don't fear death, to claim that they do is to deny them their greatest power...they knew they had the numbers to pull it off so they made some sacrifices...next you'll be arguing they were really throwing sticks and stones to make the guns waste ammo ::)
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 06, 2007, 04:47:17 AM
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Thats exactley what someone in denial would say.
Further proof is found further on in the movie, queen tells 2 aliens to attack, 2 aliens get blown away by one women with one gun.
That has what to do with the sentry gun scene?
Okay, now I'm going to have to ask you to post proof of hordes of Aliens blindly running at the sentries and getting mowed down.If you can't find any proof, why exactly should I argue with you?
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hmm... seen aliens yet?
It's bad but you can't deny it.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 06, 2007, 04:50:08 AM
It is IMPLIED in the Sentry Gun scene that the Aliens are running blindly towards the sentry guns because of there screams. That is the answer.
The only thing that's implied is that there are Aliens moving in, not necessarily running like headless chickens (since when did Aliens ever do that?). From the actual footage of Aliens being killed, not one of them is seen running.
And again, we only see a few carcasses on the ground after the battle.
Aliens have never run blindly at gunfire in movies, in every battle in Aliens they come from above or below.
Plus, we know that sentry guns spend ammo like crazy.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 06, 2007, 04:55:00 AM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 06, 2007, 04:50:08 AM
It is IMPLIED in the Sentry Gun scene that the Aliens are running blindly towards the sentry guns because of there screams. That is the answer.
The only thing that's implied is that there are Aliens moving in, not necessarily running like headless chickens (since when did Aliens ever do that?). From the actual footage of Aliens being killed, not one of them is seen running.
And again, we only see a few carcasses on the ground after the battle.
Aliens have never run blindly at gunfire in movies, in every battle in Aliens they come from above or below.
Plus, we know that sentry guns spend ammo like crazy.
Dog runner looked like a headless chicken to me, chasing after guys exactley like a.......dog.
I'm not saying aliens are not smart, i'm saying they get killed by bullets, deal with it.
Who cares whether the aliens were killed in the sentry gun scene? The movies events are set, and the facility was destroyed.
wow you're pretty amazing man...has it ever occurred to you that they were trying to flank the sentry guns but that it required multiple attempts and casualties on their part...that's what combat is like, sometimes you fail in your first few attempts and you take casualties
Quote from: Khan on Dec 06, 2007, 04:57:14 AM
Who cares whether the aliens were killed in the sentry gun scene? The movies events are set, and the facility was destroyed.
but since they didn't actually show all the aliens getting blown to pieces, they probably all went underground and survived
Quote from: happypred on Dec 06, 2007, 04:59:23 AM
wow you're pretty amazing man...has it ever occurred to you that they were trying to flank the sentry guns but that it required multiple attempts and casualties on their part...that's what combat is like, sometimes you fail in your first few attempts and you take casualties
Quote from: Khan on Dec 06, 2007, 04:57:14 AM
Who cares whether the aliens were killed in the sentry gun scene? The movies events are set, and the facility was destroyed.
but since they didn't actually show all the aliens getting blown to pieces, they probably all went underground and survived
Perhaps. Sounds like a good idea for Alien 5! I'll call Fox now!
*Runs off with new Alien film idea*
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 06, 2007, 03:45:28 AM
wishfull thinking, you hear the screams, they got wasted. Their strength is in numbers, and sacrifices were made obviously.
We also hear screams when the chestburster was killed. Screams don't necessarily equal pain
or death. They can, like hissing, be used as warning or perhaps for communication.
And if as many Aliens died from the sentry guns as was
superficially implied, there would never have been the number clearly later shown on the motion tracker. :)
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 06, 2007, 04:50:16 AM
I've just gave you proof, if aliens were as smart as you claim to be at dodging bullets, when the first alien hit the deck from ripleys pulse rifel, dont you think the second would think "hang on, my mates just clocked it, maybe not a good idea"
Completely different circumstances. There was a clear threat to both Queen
and the eggs. That took priority over individuals.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 06, 2007, 05:03:57 AM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 06, 2007, 04:59:23 AM
wow you're pretty amazing man...has it ever occurred to you that they were trying to flank the sentry guns but that it required multiple attempts and casualties on their part...that's what combat is like, sometimes you fail in your first few attempts and you take casualties
Quote from: Khan on Dec 06, 2007, 04:57:14 AM
Who cares whether the aliens were killed in the sentry gun scene? The movies events are set, and the facility was destroyed.
but since they didn't actually show all the aliens getting blown to pieces, they probably all went underground and survived
Perhaps. Sounds like a good idea for Alien 5! I'll call Fox now!
*Runs off with new Alien film idea*
lol nice one khan
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Dec 06, 2007, 05:05:03 AM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 06, 2007, 05:03:57 AM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 06, 2007, 04:59:23 AM
wow you're pretty amazing man...has it ever occurred to you that they were trying to flank the sentry guns but that it required multiple attempts and casualties on their part...that's what combat is like, sometimes you fail in your first few attempts and you take casualties
Quote from: Khan on Dec 06, 2007, 04:57:14 AM
Who cares whether the aliens were killed in the sentry gun scene? The movies events are set, and the facility was destroyed.
but since they didn't actually show all the aliens getting blown to pieces, they probably all went underground and survived
Perhaps. Sounds like a good idea for Alien 5! I'll call Fox now!
*Runs off with new Alien film idea*
lol nice one khan
Thank you, thank you very much.
Tommorrow, I'll be taking ridiculous ideas for a new Predator Movie. Oh happy days!
Good night everybody have a good one!
Well I got my new Predator film idea...jungle hunter and city hunter never died! One teleported to safety right before the explosion and the other just went into a coma.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 06, 2007, 05:08:26 AM
Well I got my new Predator film idea...jungle hunter and city hunter never died! One teleported to safety right before the explosion and the other just went into a coma.
And then, they meet up with Harrigan and Dutch, then go dance to gain money for charity!
BAWOOOOWWWWWWWZAAAAAAA! :o
I would just like to say that this is not a fan boy issue as I like both, it just seem the odds are against Wolf.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Dec 06, 2007, 05:04:39 AM
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 06, 2007, 03:45:28 AM
wishfull thinking, you hear the screams, they got wasted. Their strength is in numbers, and sacrifices were made obviously.
We also hear screams when the chestburster was killed. Screams don't necessarily equal pain or death. They can, like hissing, be used as warning or perhaps for communication.
And if as many Aliens died from the sentry guns as was superficially implied, there would never have been the number clearly later shown on the motion tracker. :)
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 06, 2007, 04:50:16 AM
I've just gave you proof, if aliens were as smart as you claim to be at dodging bullets, when the first alien hit the deck from ripleys pulse rifel, dont you think the second would think "hang on, my mates just clocked it, maybe not a good idea"
Completely different circumstances. There was a clear threat to both Queen and the eggs. That took priority over individuals.
Except about the only times they screamed was when they were getting hit. Otherwise they making hissing sounds. So I think screaming does equate pain. I'll go back and watch but I don't every remember an Alien screaming like that while not in battle.
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess, I mean look how many Aliens there is and its clear to see WE drop a bomb so Wolf wasnt really enough.
Well, if this was a FPS, I would dig a SuperPredator...
But this is NOT a First Person Shooter, so in order to have some suspense AT ALL as far as the fight sequences are concerned, there should have been three or five Predators...
The suspense the Bros. are mentioning don't even matter as far as humans are concerned...we already know who dies and where in the movie, so tough luck on that one as well...
But I digress...
This movie is flawed, biased, whatever you wanna call it...
The structure 'One against many with a Boss at the end or a Boss in skirmishes in the middle (Resident Evil Nemesis game-like)' is gonna ridicule the fights, as they will obviously be won by 'Rambo' Wolf (more like 'Commando' Wolf, actually... ;D :D) and with Aliens like pure extras in a war movie...
I don't think this movie will have the suspense the Bros. say it will, with all that we know so far...
Maybe I'm wrong... ::)
Well i live in SA So i dnt know alot adout AVPR. BUT 1 agianst so many aliens and humans are a bit to much 2 or atleast4 whould be nice kinda like a Predator SEAL TEAM
Yeah but the predator isn't just a hunter he's a cleaner sent in for a special mission. You know what predators like they don't want anyone nicking there glory so they hunt alone and how its been in the first two films.
He's only killing humans that cause a threat hes mainly focusing on the aliens to eradicate them and destroy any evidence of their spaceship.
Ok like i say i live in South-Africa havent seen the movie cant wait to though. And it would be nice to see a Predator KICK ALIEN ASS ALL OVER EARTH and SURVIVE
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 06, 2007, 12:48:20 PM
I would just like to say that this is not a fan boy issue as I like both, it just seem the odds are against Wolf.
Wolf is the yautja equivalent of Rambo, just leave it at that.
QuoteWolf is the yautja equivalent of Rambo, just leave it at that.
I bet all the alien fans are extremely happy about this explanation. That should shut them up. Wanna remind me why isn't this called
Preadator 3?
QuoteI bet all the alien fans are extremely happy about this explanation. That should shut them up. Wanna remind me why isn't this called Preadator 3?
because its got aliens in it , oh wait, P2 had an alien skull in it too ..
hmm, they should rename the movie to "The Royal ass kickings of the Wolf" ;)
Quote from: BlkSoul on Dec 06, 2007, 01:28:48 PM
Well i live in SA So i dnt know alot adout AVPR. BUT 1 agianst so many aliens and humans are a bit to much 2 or atleast4 whould be nice kinda like a Predator SEAL TEAM
SA=Rainbow Nation?
Quote from: happypred on Dec 06, 2007, 05:29:31 PM
Quote from: BlkSoul on Dec 06, 2007, 01:28:48 PM
Well i live in SA So i dnt know alot adout AVPR. BUT 1 agianst so many aliens and humans are a bit to much 2 or atleast4 whould be nice kinda like a Predator SEAL TEAM
SA=Rainbow Nation?
Most likely. Now about about that Predator 3 thing, im still telling you, it should be based on Predator Concrete Jungle the book.
For Predator 3 I'm going with either that or a Bad Blood type scenario
Back on Planet Pred. he,s bigger than Jesus....they all stand around and go 'Oh Wolf you are so big'...'Oh wolf you are so butch'.....'Just so omnipotent,in your omnipotency'
To which Wolf replies in his best gruff voice....'Aliens...i,m commin' ta git YOU!'.
* Cue,Duran Duran:Hungry Like The Wolf.
Obviously its an in and out mission, theysent wolf because he is good at what he does and he'll be moving in the back doing his think while the main thing is the humans fighting off the aliens, if they send more then 1 then if one of them dies its just more work to cover-up for the other preds, its kinda like a predator coverup.....to cover their tracks....
Looks like Pred fans everywhere are already building shrines to Wolf.
I wouldn't put him to high on a pedastal as if he is some kind of Pred god.
If he was that important in the Pred hiearchy they wouldn't send him on a suicide mission!
Of course if you put Wolf in God mode like some people are his death might make him a martyr for Preds everywhere.
eheh yeah right.
I prefer to think he's just one highly capable Pred assasin.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 07, 2007, 02:29:20 AM
Looks like Pred fans everywhere are already building shrines to Wolf.
I wouldn't put him to high on a pedastal as if he is some kind of Pred god.
If he was that important in the Pred hiearchy they wouldn't send him on a suicide mission!
Of course if you put Wolf in God mode like some people are his death might make him a martyr for Preds everywhere.
eheh yeah right.
I prefer to think he's just one highly capable Pred assasin.
maybe he wasnt asked to do it,maybe he wants to do it.....like if chet killed one of his fellow brethren and its a personal vendetta, i think that would be all the modivation wolf would need, instead of saying "for the elders, for the elders"......
"Wolf Wills IT!!!"
Chet kills Wolf's fat, overweight brothers. Game on! :D
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 02:36:42 AM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 07, 2007, 02:35:15 AM
"Wolf Wills IT!!!"
"Wolf your my hero!"
"Wolf lets make babies!".....
Uh....
Uh...
Uh....
Er....
Frenchpred said it?
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 02:33:51 AM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 07, 2007, 02:29:20 AM
Looks like Pred fans everywhere are already building shrines to Wolf.
I wouldn't put him to high on a pedastal as if he is some kind of Pred god.
If he was that important in the Pred hiearchy they wouldn't send him on a suicide mission!
Of course if you put Wolf in God mode like some people are his death might make him a martyr for Preds everywhere.
eheh yeah right.
I prefer to think he's just one highly capable Pred assasin.
maybe he wasnt asked to do it,maybe he wants to do it.....like if chet killed one of his fellow brethren and its a personal vendetta, i think that would be all the modivation wolf would need, instead of saying "for the elders, for the elders"......
That would be cool, but how would they convey it to the audience? Preds don't have a lot of dialogue. I wouldn't want to see to Preds talking to each other in Roars either. Too much like Wookies.
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 06, 2007, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess, I mean look how many Aliens there is and its clear to see WE drop a bomb so Wolf wasnt really enough.
Well, if this was a FPS, I would dig a SuperPredator...
But this is NOT a First Person Shooter, so in order to have some suspense AT ALL as far as the fight sequences are concerned, there should have been three or five Predators...
The suspense the Bros. are mentioning don't even matter as far as humans are concerned...we already know who dies and where in the movie, so tough luck on that one as well...
But I digress...
This movie is flawed, biased, whatever you wanna call it...
The structure 'One against many with a Boss at the end or a Boss in skirmishes in the middle (Resident Evil Nemesis game-like)' is gonna ridicule the fights, as they will obviously be won by 'Rambo' Wolf (more like 'Commando' Wolf, actually... ;D :D) and with Aliens like pure extras in a war movie...
I don't think this movie will have the suspense the Bros. say it will, with all that we know so far...
Maybe I'm wrong... ::)
You ever heard of the saying "broken record" Yutani?
I'm starting to think if you won the lottery , you'd bitch that it wasnt enough, and it was a fix... :D
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 07, 2007, 02:48:02 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 02:33:51 AM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 07, 2007, 02:29:20 AM
Looks like Pred fans everywhere are already building shrines to Wolf.
I wouldn't put him to high on a pedastal as if he is some kind of Pred god.
If he was that important in the Pred hiearchy they wouldn't send him on a suicide mission!
Of course if you put Wolf in God mode like some people are his death might make him a martyr for Preds everywhere.
eheh yeah right.
I prefer to think he's just one highly capable Pred assasin.
maybe he wasnt asked to do it,maybe he wants to do it.....like if chet killed one of his fellow brethren and its a personal vendetta, i think that would be all the modivation wolf would need, instead of saying "for the elders, for the elders"......
That would be cool, but how would they convey it to the audience? Preds don't have a lot of dialogue. I wouldn't want to see to Preds talking to each other in Roars either. Too much like Wookies.
nah i think it should be in a movement manner, actions speak louder then words kinda thing, like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 02:52:20 AM
like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
I think one thing the comics did right was that they showed the preds didn't really give a shit if their comrades died...they were selfish arrogant bastards, Wolf is probably on this mission to boost his own status, which is high already
Quote from: happypred on Dec 07, 2007, 03:42:34 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 02:52:20 AM
like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
I think one thing the comics did right was that they showed the preds didn't really give a shit if their comrades died...they were selfish arrogant bastards, Wolf is probably on this mission to boost his own status, which is high already
haha true true, i guessit could go 2 ways,
1=wolf feels sorrow when his fallen brethren dies then takes his caster and swears revenge....
2=wof see's his brethren dying then wolf just finishes him off, then takes the caster......
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 03:49:36 AM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 07, 2007, 03:42:34 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 02:52:20 AM
like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
I think one thing the comics did right was that they showed the preds didn't really give a shit if their comrades died...they were selfish arrogant bastards, Wolf is probably on this mission to boost his own status, which is high already
haha true true, i guessit could go 2 ways,
1=wolf feels sorrow when his fallen brethren dies then takes his caster and swears revenge....
2=wof see's his brethren dying then wolf just finishes him off, then takes the caster......
Yeah, so his comrade doesnt look any worse.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 03:51:42 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 03:49:36 AM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 07, 2007, 03:42:34 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 02:52:20 AM
like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
I think one thing the comics did right was that they showed the preds didn't really give a shit if their comrades died...they were selfish arrogant bastards, Wolf is probably on this mission to boost his own status, which is high already
haha true true, i guessit could go 2 ways,
1=wolf feels sorrow when his fallen brethren dies then takes his caster and swears revenge....
2=wof see's his brethren dying then wolf just finishes him off, then takes the caster......
Yeah, so his comrade doesnt look any worse.
yeah or there's a 3rd way,
3=He see's his comrade then finshes him off to save him from the pain thats inflicting on him, then takes his caster and follows the predaliens tracks......
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 03:56:25 AM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 03:51:42 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 03:49:36 AM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 07, 2007, 03:42:34 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 02:52:20 AM
like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
I think one thing the comics did right was that they showed the preds didn't really give a shit if their comrades died...they were selfish arrogant bastards, Wolf is probably on this mission to boost his own status, which is high already
haha true true, i guessit could go 2 ways,
1=wolf feels sorrow when his fallen brethren dies then takes his caster and swears revenge....
2=wof see's his brethren dying then wolf just finishes him off, then takes the caster......
Yeah, so his comrade doesnt look any worse.
yeah or there's a 3rd way,
3=He see's his comrade then finshes him off to save him from the pain thats inflicting on him, then takes his caster and follows the predaliens tracks......
and then kicks the predaliens ass.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 03:59:06 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 03:56:25 AM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 03:51:42 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 03:49:36 AM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 07, 2007, 03:42:34 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 02:52:20 AM
like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
I think one thing the comics did right was that they showed the preds didn't really give a shit if their comrades died...they were selfish arrogant bastards, Wolf is probably on this mission to boost his own status, which is high already
haha true true, i guessit could go 2 ways,
1=wolf feels sorrow when his fallen brethren dies then takes his caster and swears revenge....
2=wof see's his brethren dying then wolf just finishes him off, then takes the caster......
Yeah, so his comrade doesnt look any worse.
yeah or there's a 3rd way,
3=He see's his comrade then finshes him off to save him from the pain thats inflicting on him, then takes his caster and follows the predaliens tracks......
and then kicks the predaliens ass.
yeah or try's to, lol
or maybe wolf never saw the predalien on the ship he escaped to early, then when he see's the tracks he might just think its a normal alien, but soon he'll find out its something much much worse......
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 04:02:04 AM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 03:59:06 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 03:56:25 AM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 03:51:42 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 03:49:36 AM
Quote from: happypred on Dec 07, 2007, 03:42:34 AM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 02:52:20 AM
like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
I think one thing the comics did right was that they showed the preds didn't really give a shit if their comrades died...they were selfish arrogant bastards, Wolf is probably on this mission to boost his own status, which is high already
haha true true, i guessit could go 2 ways,
1=wolf feels sorrow when his fallen brethren dies then takes his caster and swears revenge....
2=wof see's his brethren dying then wolf just finishes him off, then takes the caster......
Yeah, so his comrade doesnt look any worse.
yeah or there's a 3rd way,
3=He see's his comrade then finshes him off to save him from the pain thats inflicting on him, then takes his caster and follows the predaliens tracks......
and then kicks the predaliens ass.
yeah or try's to, lol
or maybe wolf never saw the predalien on the ship he escaped to early, then when he see's the tracks he might just think its a normal alien, but soon he'll find out its something much much worse......
A bit of a problem with that. Wolf came from the predator homeworld to clean up earth from the alien menace. He wasnt onboard the predator ship from AVP.
When there's a crisis, do we send in one elite commando or a team of them?
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:09:30 AM
When there's a crisis, do we send in one elite commando or a team of them?
Sometimes both. But Wolf was sent from the homeworld to clean up the mess.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:09:30 AM
When there's a crisis, do we send in one elite commando or a team of them?
When that commando is Rambo on speed/pcp and has dealt with the creatures countless times before, then yes, we can send in one commando.
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 07, 2007, 04:11:23 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:09:30 AM
When there's a crisis, do we send in one elite commando or a team of them?
When that commando is Rambo on speed/pcp and has dealt with the creatures countless times before, then yes, we can send in one commando.
Which, for some people, is Wolf.
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like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
I think one thing the comics did right was that they showed the preds didn't really give a shit if their comrades died...they were selfish arrogant bastards, Wolf is probably on this mission to boost his own status, which is high already
haha true true, i guessit could go 2 ways,
1=wolf feels sorrow when his fallen brethren dies then takes his caster and swears revenge....
2=wof see's his brethren dying then wolf just finishes him off, then takes the caster......
Yeah, so his comrade doesnt look any worse.
yeah or there's a 3rd way,
3=He see's his comrade then finshes him off to save him from the pain thats inflicting on him, then takes his caster and follows the predaliens tracks......
and then kicks the predaliens ass.
yeah or try's to, lol
or maybe wolf never saw the predalien on the ship he escaped to early, then when he see's the tracks he might just think its a normal alien, but soon he'll find out its something much much worse......
A bit of a problem with that. Wolf came from the predator homeworld to clean up earth from the alien menace. He wasnt onboard the predator ship from AVP.
oh fair enough, fell maybe none of them no it was a predalien and they jst think its a drone that attacked them all...
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:09:30 AM
When there's a crisis, do we send in one elite commando or a team of them?
well we work better together, preds work better alone, they dont work well together because they are to busy trying to outdo each other, or to busy lookin out for eachother and not themselves
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 04:14:23 AM
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like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
I think one thing the comics did right was that they showed the preds didn't really give a shit if their comrades died...they were selfish arrogant bastards, Wolf is probably on this mission to boost his own status, which is high already
haha true true, i guessit could go 2 ways,
1=wolf feels sorrow when his fallen brethren dies then takes his caster and swears revenge....
2=wof see's his brethren dying then wolf just finishes him off, then takes the caster......
Yeah, so his comrade doesnt look any worse.
yeah or there's a 3rd way,
3=He see's his comrade then finshes him off to save him from the pain thats inflicting on him, then takes his caster and follows the predaliens tracks......
and then kicks the predaliens ass.
yeah or try's to, lol
or maybe wolf never saw the predalien on the ship he escaped to early, then when he see's the tracks he might just think its a normal alien, but soon he'll find out its something much much worse......
A bit of a problem with that. Wolf came from the predator homeworld to clean up earth from the alien menace. He wasnt onboard the predator ship from AVP.
oh fair enough, fell maybe none of them no it was a predalien and they jst think its a drone that attacked them all...
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:09:30 AM
When there's a crisis, do we send in one elite commando or a team of them?
well we work better together, preds work better alone, they dont work well together because they are to busy trying to outdo each other, or to busy lookin out for eachother and not themselves
Unlike humans, who can work together, Predators are a people of extremes. They are either too up themeselves to not worry about each other, or worry too much to get there butts kicked. Case in point: AVP.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 04:16:33 AM
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Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 02:52:20 AM
like he sees one of his brethren bleeding to death then when he dies he grabs his caster then vows for revenge.....
I think one thing the comics did right was that they showed the preds didn't really give a shit if their comrades died...they were selfish arrogant bastards, Wolf is probably on this mission to boost his own status, which is high already
haha true true, i guessit could go 2 ways,
1=wolf feels sorrow when his fallen brethren dies then takes his caster and swears revenge....
2=wof see's his brethren dying then wolf just finishes him off, then takes the caster......
Yeah, so his comrade doesnt look any worse.
yeah or there's a 3rd way,
3=He see's his comrade then finshes him off to save him from the pain thats inflicting on him, then takes his caster and follows the predaliens tracks......
and then kicks the predaliens ass.
yeah or try's to, lol
or maybe wolf never saw the predalien on the ship he escaped to early, then when he see's the tracks he might just think its a normal alien, but soon he'll find out its something much much worse......
A bit of a problem with that. Wolf came from the predator homeworld to clean up earth from the alien menace. He wasnt onboard the predator ship from AVP.
oh fair enough, fell maybe none of them no it was a predalien and they jst think its a drone that attacked them all...
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:09:30 AM
When there's a crisis, do we send in one elite commando or a team of them?
well we work better together, preds work better alone, they dont work well together because they are to busy trying to outdo each other, or to busy lookin out for eachother and not themselves
Unlike humans, who can work together, Predators are a people of extremes. They are either too up themeselves to not worry about each other, or worry too much to get there butts kicked. Case in point: AVP.
yeah, so its better to get you best of the best and send him alone.....
Actually the Preds in AvP were doing pretty well up until the Aliens got loose.
Yes Preds are good at hunting humans because humans are sitting ducks.
Aliens are a different story. This is something that Pred fans can't seem to comprehend: Aliens are not like humans.
You NEED multiple Predators to fight Aliens not only to make the movie interesting, but also because it just makes more sense.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:24:42 AM
Actually the Preds in AvP were doing pretty well up until the Aliens got loose.
Yes Preds are good at hunting humans because humans are sitting ducks.
Aliens are a different story. This is something that Pred fans can't seem to comprehend: Aliens are not like humans.
You NEED multiple Predators to fight Aliens not only to make the movie interesting, but also because it just makes more sense.
Yeah, since the litter critters are so damn fast, and so damn black........
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:24:42 AM
Actually the Preds in AvP were doing pretty well up until the Aliens got loose.
Yes Preds are good at hunting humans because humans are sitting ducks.
Aliens are a different story. This is something that Pred fans can't seem to comprehend: Aliens are not like humans.
You NEED multiple Predators to fight Aliens not only to make the movie interesting, but also because it just makes more sense.
yeah they were doing ok, but they werent co-ordinating moves together, they were trying to out do each other....
and if ya do that in a public are the more chance of people getting the tech thats on the dead preds, so 1 pred= less chance of tech exposure....
Quote from: Dasani on Dec 07, 2007, 04:11:23 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:09:30 AM
When there's a crisis, do we send in one elite commando or a team of them?
When that commando is Rambo on speed/pcp and has dealt with the creatures countless times before, then yes, we can send in one commando.
Yea rambo ftw! and all enemies can't shoot straight!
Quote from: highlandpred on Dec 07, 2007, 02:50:57 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 06, 2007, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess, I mean look how many Aliens there is and its clear to see WE drop a bomb so Wolf wasnt really enough.
Well, if this was a FPS, I would dig a SuperPredator...
But this is NOT a First Person Shooter, so in order to have some suspense AT ALL as far as the fight sequences are concerned, there should have been three or five Predators...
The suspense the Bros. are mentioning don't even matter as far as humans are concerned...we already know who dies and where in the movie, so tough luck on that one as well...
But I digress...
This movie is flawed, biased, whatever you wanna call it...
The structure 'One against many with a Boss at the end or a Boss in skirmishes in the middle (Resident Evil Nemesis game-like)' is gonna ridicule the fights, as they will obviously be won by 'Rambo' Wolf (more like 'Commando' Wolf, actually... ;D :D) and with Aliens like pure extras in a war movie...
I don't think this movie will have the suspense the Bros. say it will, with all that we know so far...
Maybe I'm wrong... ::)
You ever heard of the saying "broken record" Yutani?
I'm starting to think if you won the lottery , you'd bitch that it wasnt enough, and it was a fix... :D
Oh, come on, the FPS one is new... ;D :D
well Preds will always kick alien buts and if they die they die with honour aliens just die
Well the preds would have been fine if they weren't so occupied in getting their casters back. If they had been able to get them first, game over for the aliens.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 07, 2007, 12:48:57 PM
Well the preds would have been fine if they weren't so occupied in getting their casters back. If they had been able to get them first, game over for the aliens.
but then it would be BORING... And AVP was somewhat boring, so imagine more boring than that... ;D :D ;)
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 07, 2007, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 07, 2007, 12:48:57 PM
Well the preds would have been fine if they weren't so occupied in getting their casters back. If they had been able to get them first, game over for the aliens.
but then it would be BORING... And AVP was somewhat boring, so imagine more boring than that... ;D :D ;)
thats like minus boring, its like never been done before, but i imagine paul anderson culd pull it off.....
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 01:41:00 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Dec 07, 2007, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 07, 2007, 12:48:57 PM
Well the preds would have been fine if they weren't so occupied in getting their casters back. If they had been able to get them first, game over for the aliens.
but then it would be BORING... And AVP was somewhat boring, so imagine more boring than that... ;D :D ;)
thats like minus boring, its like never been done before, but i imagine paul anderson culd pull it off.....
Lol yeah. Casters are a bit lame. It was fun having them just melee everything (except one who died without screen time lol)
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:24:42 AM
Actually the Preds in AvP were doing pretty well up until the Aliens got loose.
Yes Preds are good at hunting humans because humans are sitting ducks.
Aliens are a different story. This is something that Pred fans can't seem to comprehend: Aliens are not like humans.
You NEED multiple Predators to fight Aliens not only to make the movie interesting, but also because it just makes more sense.
An Alien Drone vs the Hulk. Who would win?
Quote from: Horhey on Dec 07, 2007, 03:56:52 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:24:42 AM
Actually the Preds in AvP were doing pretty well up until the Aliens got loose.
Yes Preds are good at hunting humans because humans are sitting ducks.
Aliens are a different story. This is something that Pred fans can't seem to comprehend: Aliens are not like humans.
You NEED multiple Predators to fight Aliens not only to make the movie interesting, but also because it just makes more sense.
An Alien Drone vs the Hulk. Who would win?
uh, what does that have to do with anything? The Hulk (I assume you mean Ang Lee's version) would kill both Predators and Aliens.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 05:41:06 PM
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Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:24:42 AM
Actually the Preds in AvP were doing pretty well up until the Aliens got loose.
Yes Preds are good at hunting humans because humans are sitting ducks.
Aliens are a different story. This is something that Pred fans can't seem to comprehend: Aliens are not like humans.
You NEED multiple Predators to fight Aliens not only to make the movie interesting, but also because it just makes more sense.
An Alien Drone vs the Hulk. Who would win?
uh, what does that have to do with anything? The Hulk (I assume you mean Ang Lee's version) would kill both Predators and Aliens.
Just wanted to see if you'd think up some creative way for the Alien to beat him. Carry on.
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:24:42 AM
Actually the Preds in AvP were doing pretty well up until the Aliens got loose.
Yes Preds are good at hunting humans because humans are sitting ducks.
Aliens are a different story. This is something that Pred fans can't seem to comprehend: Aliens are not like humans.
You NEED multiple Predators to fight Aliens not only to make the movie interesting, but also because it just makes more sense.
you tell pred fans not to compare aliens to humans but you compare preds to human hunters all the time ::)
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess, I mean look how many Aliens there is and its clear to see WE drop a bomb so Wolf wasnt really enough.
Oh,they didn't send Wolf!
He was the only survivor!
He's decided to clean up everything.He's not send.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 07, 2007, 07:48:11 PM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:24:42 AM
Actually the Preds in AvP were doing pretty well up until the Aliens got loose.
Yes Preds are good at hunting humans because humans are sitting ducks.
Aliens are a different story. This is something that Pred fans can't seem to comprehend: Aliens are not like humans.
You NEED multiple Predators to fight Aliens not only to make the movie interesting, but also because it just makes more sense.
you tell pred fans not to compare aliens to humans but you compare preds to human hunters all the time ::)
Exactly.
Because Predators are very closely based off of human hunters...
Quote from: SiL on Dec 07, 2007, 07:55:11 PM
Because Predators are very closely based off of human hunters...
They pretty much are Human hunters. 'Cept upgraded Technologically and Physically.
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 07, 2007, 08:00:46 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 07, 2007, 07:55:11 PM
Because Predators are very closely based off of human hunters...
They pretty much are Human hunters. 'Cept upgraded Technologically and Physically.
and culturally ;D
Compared to human hunters? How?
Quote from: Dutch Schaefer on Dec 07, 2007, 07:53:23 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess, I mean look how many Aliens there is and its clear to see WE drop a bomb so Wolf wasnt really enough.
Oh,they didn't send Wolf!
He was the only survivor!
He's decided to clean up everything.He's not send.
He was, he came from the predator homeworld.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 07, 2007, 08:31:03 PM
Compared to human hunters? How?
they can do hand gestures :D
Maybe the predators or wolf thought that there were not going to be many aliens to get rid of as none of the face huggers are supposed to be carrying any queen embryos. They might also of not realized that there was a predalien (which is a queen) on board the scout ship.
I doubt the movie will explain why they sent one...
1 experienced warrior is enough...besides 7 is not a lucky number for the predators
"We deal in lead"
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 07, 2007, 09:07:22 PM
I doubt the movie will explain why they sent one...
I doubt you will ever find the answer...
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 07, 2007, 09:07:22 PM
I doubt the movie will explain why they sent one...
I doubt you will ever find the answer...
Who said i was looking ;)
If you forget about AVP they always hunted alone and lets face the predators enjoy hunting and hes gonna be busy in this. Also hes not a normal hunter hes a cleaner.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 08:30:07 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 07, 2007, 08:00:46 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 07, 2007, 07:55:11 PM
Because Predators are very closely based off of human hunters...
They pretty much are Human hunters. 'Cept upgraded Technologically and Physically.
and culturally ;D
No really. How are they culturally different to Human hunters?
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 07, 2007, 09:53:41 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 08:30:07 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 07, 2007, 08:00:46 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 07, 2007, 07:55:11 PM
Because Predators are very closely based off of human hunters...
They pretty much are Human hunters. 'Cept upgraded Technologically and Physically.
and culturally ;D
No really. How are they culturally different to Human hunters?
Hunters drink beer
They are more a combination of primitive-tribal humans with Hi-Tech gadgets...
Where's the predator's bright orange vest? :D
They are literally big game Hunters. They go to places and hunt dangerous game, and take trophies. Usually using a gun. They do have slightly more pride though than Humans do though; as in, they don't sit there and shoot at something eating grass that poses no threat.
Now you have just gone and insulted Ted Nugent, the NRA and half of America....Moose, elk, deer can be very dangerous and vicious
Quote from: tommygun on Dec 07, 2007, 10:01:28 PM
Now you have just gone and insulted Ted Nugent, the NRA and half of America....Moose, elk, deer can be very dangerous and vicious
Not when you have a big f**koff Shotgun.
Quote from: tommygun on Dec 07, 2007, 10:01:28 PM
Now you have just gone and insulted Ted Nugent, the NRA and half of America....Moose, elk, deer can be very dangerous and vicious
The embarassing half. ;)
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 10:29:45 PM
Quote from: tommygun on Dec 07, 2007, 10:01:28 PM
Now you have just gone and insulted Ted Nugent, the NRA and half of America....Moose, elk, deer can be very dangerous and vicious
The embarassing half. ;)
:D :D :D
Maybe Wolf drew the short straw...
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 06, 2007, 12:53:29 PM
Except about the only times they screamed was when they were getting hit. Otherwise they making hissing sounds. So I think screaming does equate pain. I'll go back and watch but I don't every remember an Alien screaming like that while not in battle.
I pointed out that the nest erupted in screaming when the chestburster was on fire. Not a single one of the others was in any way being injured. It's just a sound they use for particular situations, most probably when a loud warning is required.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 07, 2007, 04:10:57 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Dec 07, 2007, 04:09:30 AM
When there's a crisis, do we send in one elite commando or a team of them?
Sometimes both. But Wolf was sent from the homeworld to clean up the mess.
No, we send teams. There might be a 'Sam Fisher' when information is being retrieved from a specific place, but even in those cases, they always tend to have some back-up covering them, just in case.
When it's a combat mission, it's always a group.
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 07, 2007, 04:32:14 AM
yeah they were doing ok, but they werent co-ordinating moves together, they were trying to out do each other...
Where was that shown? They seemed perfectly fine. It was prioritising the humans where things went wrong and that was a collective decision.
Quoteand if ya do that in a public are the more chance of people getting the tech thats on the dead preds, so 1 pred= less chance of tech exposure...
By that logic, if this Predator dies, there's even
more probability they'd get it, due to no others being around to destroy the body and equipment.
A team can cover one another
and sweep through an area like a small town and surrounding woods. That is essential to the type of situation being dealt with here. An individual is unable to.
QuoteBy that logic, if this Predator dies, there's even more probability they'd get it, due to no others being around to destroy the body and equipment.
A team can cover one another and sweep through an area like a small town and surrounding woods. That is essential to the type of situation being dealt with here. An individual is unable to.
Your sooo right.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 08, 2007, 07:42:42 PM
QuoteBy that logic, if this Predator dies, there's even more probability they'd get it, due to no others being around to destroy the body and equipment.
A team can cover one another and sweep through an area like a small town and surrounding woods. That is essential to the type of situation being dealt with here. An individual is unable to.
Your sooo right.
But the wolf is so uber1337, he doesnt need a team. :P
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
which i like
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:26:24 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
which i like
and maybe could be expanded on in future installments.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:26:24 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
which i like
and maybe could be expanded on in future installments.
well one thing i think no one can deny is this movie will make Predators alot more popular...so this could be expanded
predator 3 for the win
I wouldn't be surprised....hopefully we can get AVP 3 and Predator 3...and AVP 3 hopefully would give us Alien 5
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:49:01 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:26:24 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
which i like
and maybe could be expanded on in future installments.
well one thing i think no one can deny is this movie will make Predators alot more popular...so this could be expanded
Word. No doubt, you right about that. More Predators comin our way. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi97.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl226%2FHorhey420%2FAnimated%2520Avatars%2Frock.gif&hash=e387774b31cff6d870cb3447e78b4c588fe9bae2)
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 09:01:45 PM
I wouldn't be surprised....hopefully we can get AVP 3 and Predator 3...and AVP 3 hopefully would give us Alien 5
Yeah, if this this film is a success,lets hope it gives life back to the other franchises.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
Is he related to Boba Fett!
Damn, those two would have a hell of a time together. ;D
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 08, 2007, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
Is he related to Boba Fett!
Damn, those two would have a hell of a time together. ;D
Boba: oh look he's even better looking with ot the helmet
*Wolf decks him*
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 08, 2007, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
Is he related to Boba Fett!
Damn, those two would have a hell of a time together. ;D
Boba: oh look he's even better looking with ot the helmet
*Wolf decks him*
Nah, Wolf would just kill Boba Fett. Just more prey.
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 08, 2007, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
Is he related to Boba Fett!
Damn, those two would have a hell of a time together. ;D
Boba: oh look he's even better looking with ot the helmet
*Wolf decks him*
Boba and Wolf decide to switch masks at work one day.
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 09:39:46 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 08, 2007, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
Is he related to Boba Fett!
Damn, those two would have a hell of a time together. ;D
Boba: oh look he's even better looking with ot the helmet
*Wolf decks him*
Nah, Wolf would just kill Boba Fett. Just more prey.
Jaba: Ah wamba wamba!
Boba: What the hell did he just say?
guy: What is it Lassie theres a botu stuck in a Well?
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 09:39:46 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 08, 2007, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
Is he related to Boba Fett!
Damn, those two would have a hell of a time together. ;D
Boba: oh look he's even better looking with ot the helmet
*Wolf decks him*
Nah, Wolf would just kill Boba Fett. Just more prey.
Man if you don't think Boba could handle Wolf your seriously mistaken. ::)
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:49:01 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:26:24 PM
Quote from: Khan on Dec 08, 2007, 08:23:29 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Dec 08, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Wolf might be like Winston, works alone gets the job done...he could be a merc. all i know is the Predators trust him obvoiusly enough
He is meant to be like a mercenary. A predator bounty hunter.
which i like
and maybe could be expanded on in future installments.
well one thing i think no one can deny is this movie will make Predators alot more popular...so this could be expanded
Definitely, and let's face it, the Predators needed a boost after they were de-fanged by WS Anderson..if Wolf lives, it'd be great to see him again in a Predator sequel. On that note,someone on the superherohype boards is claiming that there will be a Predator 3 set in a prison facility.
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess, I mean look how many Aliens there is and its clear to see WE drop a bomb so Wolf wasnt really enough.
Predator technology may be able to survive nuclear destruction. That wouldn't be good for a race that focuses on stealth. Furthermore, if an Alien were to survive there are still methods by which they could pose a problem. Nukes don't solve everything. It's better to send someone who knows what the eff they're doing than to let things play out on a planet used as a hunting ground.
I don't have an issue with him being the only Predator on this mission of sorts, though it kills the suspense.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 08, 2007, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 05, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
Iv just been thinking (my head hurts) you would have thought they would have sent more than 1 predator to clean up the mess, I mean look how many Aliens there is and its clear to see WE drop a bomb so Wolf wasnt really enough.
Predator technology may be able to survive nuclear destruction. That wouldn't be good for a race that focuses on stealth. Furthermore, if an Alien were to survive there are still methods by which they could pose a problem. Nukes don't solve everything. It's better to send someone who knows what the eff they're doing than to let things play out on a planet used as a hunting ground.
I don't have an issue with him being the only Predator on this mission of sorts, though it kills the suspense.
Well truthfully the humans should give us the suspence not the predators
If the mask on this site is the new Wolf Predator, it's ovbious he's a different species of Predator, maybe a Predator Mercenary or from a species that is more resilient to alien blood. Maybe they hunt aliens only. The possibilities are endless. It's clear he was sent for some reason, unless he wasn't sent, but got a distress call and came alone to check out the situation. Nothing will be sure until we see the film. I'm gonna like it no matter what.
just look at Wolf as leonidas from 300 ; he was born to kill Persians/enemy's or in Wolfs case aliens, so lets say preds do live long lets say about 500 years and in AVP-R wolf is 400 and then he dedcated every day of his life to killing aliens so it would mean he would be the right man for the job :-\
Considering the Strause's also worked on 300, that's not a bad analogy.
i was having this convo. with someone and is funny how that person said why is it that us pred. fans always want the preds to look exacly as the first? if the preds rase is like ours there many of then and they shoudl all look diff liek humans but not every single person looks alike soo new looks is good keeping out those from avp1 lol
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Dec 08, 2007, 10:15:40 PM
i was having this convo. with someone and is funny how that person said why is it that us pred. fans always want the preds to look exacly as the first? if the preds rase is like ours there many of then and they shoudl all look diff liek humans but not every single person looks alike soo new looks is good keeping out those from avp1 lol
Thats basing on the human race, maybe other advanced races dont need different faces to identify each other.....
maybe
Quote from: Half-knife on Dec 08, 2007, 10:02:34 PM
If the mask on this site is the new Wolf Predator, it's ovbious he's a different species of Predator
I think you're assuming too much
It would make more sense if he were simply from a higher rank
Quote from: Half-knife on Dec 08, 2007, 10:02:34 PM
If the mask on this site is the new Wolf Predator, it's ovbious he's a different species of Predator, maybe a Predator Mercenary or from a species that is more resilient to alien blood. Maybe they hunt aliens only. The possibilities are endless. It's clear he was sent for some reason, unless he wasn't sent, but got a distress call and came alone to check out the situation.
Why can't he just be a Predator that is much more athletic than the heavily armored Predators of the last film?
Quote from: karhan on Dec 08, 2007, 10:06:54 PM
just look at Wolf as leonidas from 300 ; he was born to kill Persians/enemy's or in Wolfs case aliens, so lets say preds do live long lets say about 500 years and in AVP-R wolf is 400 and then he dedcated every day of his life to killing aliens so it would mean he would be the right man for the job :-\
I like this analogy!
Quote from: karhan on Dec 08, 2007, 10:06:54 PM
just look at Wolf as leonidas from 300 ; he was born to kill Persians/enemy's or in Wolfs case aliens, so lets say preds do live long lets say about 500 years and in AVP-R wolf is 400 and then he dedcated every day of his life to killing aliens so it would mean he would be the right man for the job :-\
thats an excellent way of putting it.
Quote from: chandoog on Dec 10, 2007, 06:00:14 AM
Quote from: karhan on Dec 08, 2007, 10:06:54 PM
just look at Wolf as leonidas from 300 ; he was born to kill Persians/enemy's or in Wolfs case aliens, so lets say preds do live long lets say about 500 years and in AVP-R wolf is 400 and then he dedcated every day of his life to killing aliens so it would mean he would be the right man for the job :-\
thats an excellent way of putting it.
Good way of explaining. An alien hunter.
Or he's not just a weak ass teenager with no experience. People give AVP too much credit in terms of the predator.
AVP i one of the best movies and the Predator make it kwl
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 08, 2007, 09:43:12 PM
Man if you don't think Boba could handle Wolf your seriously mistaken. ::)
A Fight between Jango/Boba Fett and a Predator would be very interesting imo! And i think, that the Fett would win! Fett has also Visionmodes ... who knows .. maybe he can detect cloaked predator ... 1 - 2 shots of his laser gun and the pred is toast! Dont forget Jetpack ... rocket, poison darts, flamethrougher!
greetz
Who says boba has vision filtering??????????? Man ur info is wrong boba dosnt stand a chance
hi ;D
sup
Boba Fett was beaten by a blind man with a stick.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 10, 2007, 03:12:09 PM
Boba Fett was beaten by a blind man with a stick.
Yeah, he looks cool but he's shit. :P
Quote from: Aeus on Dec 10, 2007, 03:15:34 PM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 10, 2007, 03:12:09 PM
Boba Fett was beaten by a blind man with a stick.
Yeah, he looks cool but he's shit. :P
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Quote from: Weasel on Dec 10, 2007, 03:12:09 PM
Boba Fett was beaten by a blind man with a stick.
Oh come on! That was imo very unrealistic .. he turns his jetpack on like a pred his shoulder cannon. With his helmet ..
Anyway .. Boba Fett rules! Especially in books and comics.
greetz
Quote from: $cHm0cK on Dec 10, 2007, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 10, 2007, 03:12:09 PM
Boba Fett was beaten by a blind man with a stick.
Oh come on! That was imo very unrealistic .. he turns his jetpack on like a pred his shoulder cannon. With his helmet ..
Anyway .. Boba Fett rules! Especially in books and comics.
greetz
Yeah the Boba that is true to my heart isn't the one from the movies.
Read "Death Lies and Treachery" and tell me he couldn't take a Pred.
Besides Pred got beat by on old man with a disc, is that any better?
Yes.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 10, 2007, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: $cHm0cK on Dec 10, 2007, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 10, 2007, 03:12:09 PM
Boba Fett was beaten by a blind man with a stick.
Oh come on! That was imo very unrealistic .. he turns his jetpack on like a pred his shoulder cannon. With his helmet ..
Anyway .. Boba Fett rules! Especially in books and comics.
greetz
Yeah the Boba that is true to my heart isn't the one from the movies.
Read "Death Lies and Treachery" and tell me he couldn't take a Pred.
Besides Pred got beat by on old man with a disc, is that any better?
Word. Ftw!
Scans of almost every Boba Fett fight: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=8244.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=8244.0)
Boba Fett's Trophy Case > Wolf's Trophy Case (Doesnt matter what he has in it)
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George Lucas approves of how tough Boba Fett is in the EU anyways. We'll see it in the Star Wars TV series.
Quote from: Horhey on Dec 10, 2007, 07:25:31 PM
George Lucas approves of how tough Boba Fett is in the EU anyways. We'll see it in the Star Wars TV series.
And that will be great all the way!!!
greetz
Fett fans FTW!
I'm a fett fan, but more of a predator fan.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 10, 2007, 09:15:01 PM
I'm a fett fan, but more of a predator fan.
Hey that's fine. Everyone needs favorites. I really can't say which one I like more.
I liked jango fett......... ;D
" Oh he's even better looking without the helmet..."
;D (Thank you Robot Chicken)
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 10, 2007, 11:09:17 PM
I liked jango fett......... ;D
I would have been just fine if they never would have invented Jango.
Yeah! So what if a 40 year old man wants a younger duplicate of himself around to hang around with. Thats not weird.
Wolf parallels the "old cop who comes out of retirement to save the day" ; as in, he's stuck behind a desk all day and when he see's all the sh*t going down on his magical monitors that captured everything that happened, he figures he's the only one that can bring the bad-guys in. So he spins around 180° in his chair, gives a look that says, "I can do this" then walks over to his regularly polished mask and weapons.
Predator Captain: "Damn it, Wolf, I can't let you go out there alone! That's why I gave you a desk job, because it just got too dangerous on the field. Remember what happened to Fox? I can't let that happen to you."
[Wolf stops in his tracks but doesn't look back]
Wolf: "I've got a score to settle, Frank. I had a friend on that ship and I'm not gonna let that bastard take any more innocent lives. It has to end here."
Predator Captain: "You crazy son-of-a-bitch! How do you expect an old Predator like you to take out a thing like that?! It's suicide, man!"
Wolf: "Because I can, Frank. You know I can, too."
Predator Captain: "Wolf! ... God dammit, good luck."
Quote from: Der_Meister on Dec 16, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
Wolf parallels the "old cop who comes out of retirement to save the day" ; as in, he's stuck behind a desk all day and when he see's all the sh*t going down on his magical monitors that captured everything that happened, he figures he's the only one that can bring the bad-guys in. So he spins around 180° in his chair, gives a look that says, "I can do this" then walks over to his regularly polished mask and weapons.
Predator Captain: "Damn it, Wolf, I can't let you go out there alone! That's why I gave you a desk job, because it just got too dangerous on the field. Remember what happened to Fox? I can't let that happen to you."
[Wolf stops in his tracks but doesn't look back]
Wolf: "I've got a score to settle, Frank. I had a friend on that ship and I'm not gonna let that bastard take any more innocent lives. It has to end here."
Predator Captain: "You crazy son-of-a-bitch! How do you expect an old Predator like you to take out a thing like that?! It's suicide, man!"
Wolf: "Because I can, Frank. You know I can, too."
Predator Captain: "Wolf! ... God dammit, good luck."
That's great! LOL I want to see that in the subtitles!
Wolf looks like the judge dread of predator worlds. Sitting in his throne ready to dominate.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Dec 16, 2007, 04:52:12 PM
Quote from: Darth Vader on Dec 10, 2007, 11:09:17 PM
I liked jango fett......... ;D
I would have been just fine if they never would have invented Jango.
Yeah, i think it was just the suit that i liked, it looked more practical then boba's but of course that was years ago.....
Quote from: Der_Meister on Dec 16, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
Wolf parallels the "old cop who comes out of retirement to save the day" ; as in, he's stuck behind a desk all day and when he see's all the sh*t going down on his magical monitors that captured everything that happened, he figures he's the only one that can bring the bad-guys in. So he spins around 180° in his chair, gives a look that says, "I can do this" then walks over to his regularly polished mask and weapons.
Predator Captain: "Damn it, Wolf, I can't let you go out there alone! That's why I gave you a desk job, because it just got too dangerous on the field. Remember what happened to Fox? I can't let that happen to you."
[Wolf stops in his tracks but doesn't look back]
Wolf: "I've got a score to settle, Frank. I had a friend on that ship and I'm not gonna let that bastard take any more innocent lives. It has to end here."
Predator Captain: "You crazy son-of-a-bitch! How do you expect an old Predator like you to take out a thing like that?! It's suicide, man!"
Wolf: "Because I can, Frank. You know I can, too."
Predator Captain: "Wolf! ... God dammit, good luck."
dude, awesome.....
O_o wow so thats how it went......
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
IMO, the Wolf is an expert at taking all out evidences or he's the first who saw the alert message that's why he was sent.
:D
Hilarious!
where did they say that he was send by others?
Wolf should've called for back up the moment he scanned the city & sees it swarming with Aliens...
Wolf was watching The Simpsons when it said "We interrupt this program for breaking news..." Wolf watched the video and decided that since he saw it first, he is going to get the prize.
Naw, he was just pissed they interrupted the Simpsons.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2008, 09:24:37 PM
Naw, he was just pissed they interrupted the Simpsons.
These days? Doubt it. It would have either been a re-run or one of the crappy new episodes.
Maybe it was his favourite re-run.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2008, 09:51:49 PM
Maybe it was his favourite re-run.
Indeed. Most likely the one where Homer befriends Ned. No one must interrupt that hilarious piece of television.
Either that, or he was watching Who Shot Mr. Burns for the first time, and it cut out right as the big reveal was about to come on :P
Maybe he saw the burning ship as a metaphor for the aliens franchise, and decided it had to be stopped. :-\
Quote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2008, 09:54:56 PM
Either that, or he was watching Who Shot Mr. Burns for the first time, and it cut out right as the big reveal was about to come on :P
That, or it was just more magic from the Tomes of Strause.
'Abra, kadabra, alakazam; gimme a monster made out of ham!'
*Zap*
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...Dude, that explains everything.
Wolf: *punches Alien in hive* "I'm doing this because I love you!"
Alien: "Free ... free!"
Well, it was made by these guys:
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The Strauses. All kinds of serious.
We'z in ur moovees
Wering our sunees.
wrist bomb.Need I say more?
Quote from: genocyber on Mar 10, 2008, 10:14:42 PM
wrist bomb.Need I say more?
why didnt the preds just bomb the city from orbit?
boom problem solved. its a plot hole.
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 10, 2008, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: genocyber on Mar 10, 2008, 10:14:42 PM
wrist bomb.Need I say more?
why didnt the preds just bomb the city from orbit?
boom problem solved. its a plot hole.
Because they didn't want to destroy it. If they did, why would they want to clean it in the first place?
They failed. They wanted to stop the aliens so they could preserve the hunting grounds. The US bombed Colorado, and they failed.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 10, 2008, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 10, 2008, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: genocyber on Mar 10, 2008, 10:14:42 PM
wrist bomb.Need I say more?
why didnt the preds just bomb the city from orbit?
boom problem solved. its a plot hole.
Because they didn't want to destroy it. If they did, why would they want to clean it in the first place?
They failed. They wanted to stop the aliens so they could preserve the hunting grounds. The US bombed Colorado, and they failed.
thats BS. the urban predator had no problem with trying to blow up L.A. so why would the preds care about a small hick town? its a plot hole, the BS didnt do their homework.
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 10, 2008, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 10, 2008, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 10, 2008, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: genocyber on Mar 10, 2008, 10:14:42 PM
wrist bomb.Need I say more?
why didnt the preds just bomb the city from orbit?
boom problem solved. its a plot hole.
Because they didn't want to destroy it. If they did, why would they want to clean it in the first place?
They failed. They wanted to stop the aliens so they could preserve the hunting grounds. The US bombed Colorado, and they failed.
thats BS. the urban predator had no problem with trying to blow up L.A. so why would the preds care about a small hick town? its a plot hole, the BS didnt do their homework.
Because the City Hunter and Wolf are not the same pred. Different political views, mayhaps?
i just chalk it up to the BS's crappy filmmaking.
The fact that only Wolf was sent is just completely stupid and another poor attempt by the BS to make Wolf "elite" without actually doing any creative writing to make him that way. They should have sent in more preds, or Wolf should have called for back-up when the aliens got out into the city.
Hell, Wolf would have seemed more "elite" if they had originally started with a team of preds going down, and the others are taken out but Wolf survives... showing, or at least implying, that hes better.
Wolf should have blown the town when he realized he failed his mission (which he absolutely did)
Its just poor writing and film making.
I had a theory for a very short time that he was a rescue mission, sent to pick up the preds on the downed ship because their ship was out of commission. When he came, he saw they were all dead and decided that in their honor he is going to have revenge on the aliens.
Whats wrong with one predator? The other predators in AVP1 were just filler anyway who didn't do anything or give anything to the story.
Quote from: Weasel on Mar 10, 2008, 11:48:36 PM
Whats wrong with one predator? The other predators in AVP1 were just filler anyway who didn't do anything or give anything to the story.
its a versus movie. you need plenty of alien and predator death to go around...even anderson understood this.
What? You mean how they both died in a 5 minute period? So okay, I guess it was good for the 5 minutes of predator death followed the rest of the movie being a lone predator.
Quote from: Weasel on Mar 11, 2008, 12:11:21 AM
What? You mean how they both died in a 5 minute period? So okay, I guess it was good for the 5 minutes of predator death followed the rest of the movie being a lone predator.
scar died too. but if you wanted
more predator death thats fine. ideally there should be an entire clan of preds vs a full hive of aliens.
I think you forget that just as many predators died in AVP-R. It was just at the first and not the middle.
Quote from: Weasel on Mar 11, 2008, 12:25:49 AM
I think you forget that just as many predators died in AVP-R. It was just at the first and not the middle.
which is why it was bad. there was no suspense to any of the fights because wolf was the only pred around and therefore had a script immunity.
So I take it after less than half of AVP1 you knew scar had immunity?
Besides when has the predator won? I think we both knew that both species were going to bite it.
^^ That's not the point. I want to be drawn into it wondering what is going to happen next, not knowing from the beginning that the lone predator is going to live to the end.
QuoteWhy the preds send only the wolf?
Public holiday and he was the only one on-call.
Quote from: severen76 on Mar 11, 2008, 12:51:43 AM
^^ That's not the point. I want to be drawn into it wondering what is going to happen next, not knowing from the beginning that the lone predator is going to live to the end.
So you don't like Predator 1 or 2?
Quote from: Weasel on Mar 11, 2008, 01:01:05 AM
Quote from: severen76 on Mar 11, 2008, 12:51:43 AM
^^ That's not the point. I want to be drawn into it wondering what is going to happen next, not knowing from the beginning that the lone predator is going to live to the end.
So you don't like Predator 1 or 2?
those arent vs movies...... ::)
It's the same standard of using the excuse 'I knew he had immunity.'
And besides, even if they have a couple predators in the end your still going to end up with one.
But I'm not rooting for the predator in those films I'm rooting for the soldiers/LAPD.
It's nowhere near the same standard.
In a Predator movie, the Predator is the bad guy and the question is how will this big threat be defeated. It has immunity until the end because it's the sole bad guy, and we want the heroes to live.
To put it more bluntly:
If the heroes handed the Predator its ass in every single encounter with the Predator not managing to do much, if any, damage, meaning it poses no real threat to our heroes, would it be as exciting when it gets killed? No. Same thing here.
Quote from: Weasel on Mar 11, 2008, 01:01:05 AM
Quote from: severen76 on Mar 11, 2008, 12:51:43 AM
^^ That's not the point. I want to be drawn into it wondering what is going to happen next, not knowing from the beginning that the lone predator is going to live to the end.
So you don't like Predator 1 or 2?
The audience didn't know if the pred was going to live or die.
Quote from: Weasel on Mar 10, 2008, 11:48:36 PM
Whats wrong with one predator? The other predators in AVP1 were just filler anyway who didn't do anything or give anything to the story.
Theres nothing wrong with one predator.... except within the context of the movie it makes little sense.... and its a bit one sided to have so many aliens versus one predator....
What I would have done is something like have a few preds go down, hunt (individually), all eventually taken out except Wolf, who has shown his superior hunting skill and lived, and have him try to finish the mission.
budget!
I still would like to know where in the movie they said or did the bros say that some one send Wolf to earth?
I have gotten the impression that he went to earth and did not tell about it to anyone and i have some assumption why he would do that.
Maybe they don't have special troopers... They finished wars in far past etc. ;D
The squad of Predators would be correct clearing of Aliens on Earth... :-\
In fairness guys, noone sends him. he sees the distress beacon, gets out of his chair and grabs his gear and leaves.
he takes it apon himself to go alone
Quote from: nexus on Mar 11, 2008, 09:16:58 AM
In fairness guys, noone sends him. he sees the distress beacon, gets out of his chair and grabs his gear and leaves.
he takes it apon himself to go alone
peer pressure?/
Quote from: OxygenNarcotic on Mar 11, 2008, 07:45:58 AM
I still would like to know where in the movie they said or did the bros say that some one send Wolf to earth?
I have gotten the impression that he went to earth and did not tell about it to anyone and i have some assumption why he would do that.
Good point... he did just sort of get up an go.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Mar 11, 2008, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: OxygenNarcotic on Mar 11, 2008, 07:45:58 AM
I still would like to know where in the movie they said or did the bros say that some one send Wolf to earth?
I have gotten the impression that he went to earth and did not tell about it to anyone and i have some assumption why he would do that.
Good point... he did just sort of get up an go.
I really can't go on criticising the movie but I need to a lobotomy to appreciate it's story
Maybe they don't have the concept of task forces. They only know that one can do a job as well as five.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 12, 2008, 12:46:16 AM
Maybe they don't have the concept of task forces. They only know that one can do a job as well as five.
maybe if that is so, another Predator would have come across the depths of space to kill the Predalien had the bomb not finished it off. And if that was the case, right at the last moment, just when the fight between the Predalien and the armour clad Predator seemed almost evenly matched, the Predator takes off his armour and gets killed by the Predalien
What I'm saying is, the preds only sent one because maybe they don't have the concept of task force. That's why only one was sent and not twenty.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 12, 2008, 01:12:00 AM
What I'm saying is, the preds only sent one because maybe they don't have the concept of task force. That's why only one was sent and not twenty.
well, it's not your fault that in the movie only one went and seemed to have committed suicide and that I'm making the assumption that if another went to kill the Predalien, a similar thing would happen
i hope they redeem the Predators and Aliens for AVP3, Wolf was retarded, Chet was horrible looking and thealiens were helpless flailing babies, an ideal team would be 3 Predators, a skilled veteran and 2 apprentices would be sweet...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 11, 2008, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: nexus on Mar 11, 2008, 09:16:58 AM
In fairness guys, noone sends him. he sees the distress beacon, gets out of his chair and grabs his gear and leaves.
he takes it apon himself to go alone
peer pressure?/
no. more liek dead bored doin nothin but sit on the throne on a hot day...
Quote from: Aran on Mar 12, 2008, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 11, 2008, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: nexus on Mar 11, 2008, 09:16:58 AM
In fairness guys, noone sends him. he sees the distress beacon, gets out of his chair and grabs his gear and leaves.
he takes it apon himself to go alone
peer pressure?/
no. more liek dead bored doin nothin but sit on the throne on a hot day...
wolf had nohtin better to do then go on a suicide strip.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 12, 2008, 12:41:36 PM
Quote from: Aran on Mar 12, 2008, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 11, 2008, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: nexus on Mar 11, 2008, 09:16:58 AM
In fairness guys, noone sends him. he sees the distress beacon, gets out of his chair and grabs his gear and leaves.
he takes it apon himself to go alone
peer pressure?/
no. more liek dead bored doin nothin but sit on the throne on a hot day...
wolf had nohtin better to do then go on a suicide strip.
wasnt suicide. he didnt knw wat to expect other thn knowin there is a predalien on board the scout ship
Quotewasnt suicide. he didnt knw wat to expect other thn knowin there is a predalien on board the scout ship
Not knowing what to expect is taking a chance, to take a chance you've made the decision to expect the worse, so in a way it was a suicide trip..
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 12, 2008, 12:58:30 PM
Quotewasnt suicide. he didnt knw wat to expect other thn knowin there is a predalien on board the scout ship
Not knowing what to expect is taking a chance, to take a chance you've made the decision to expect the worse, so in a way it was a suicide trip..
it became a suicide trip when he realised hw many aliens have been unleashed unto the city of gunnison while he was on a tree healing his injured leg
AND NOT CALLING FOR BACK-UP.
Mighty fast ships they got, Predators.. it was like..
"shiit.. damn bro.. you got killed by fck predalien .. sheeeat.. now ma will get very pissed and im the only one taking the full wrath.. no way man, i'll just cover this shit up and she wount know a thing.."
Whooooosss.. (ship flying ultrasonic speed of light thru portal dimension to earth..) and the humans have just started to wonder where Buddy and his son has disapeared. Let the war begin...
pretty darn fast ships i say...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 12, 2008, 12:41:36 PM
Quote from: Aran on Mar 12, 2008, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 11, 2008, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: nexus on Mar 11, 2008, 09:16:58 AM
In fairness guys, noone sends him. he sees the distress beacon, gets out of his chair and grabs his gear and leaves.
he takes it apon himself to go alone
peer pressure?/
no. more liek dead bored doin nothin but sit on the throne on a hot day...
wolf had nohtin better to do then go on a suicide strip.
perhaps this was a sci-fi sequel for Waiting For Godot
Because he is the Wolf plain and simple.
Quote from: DarkStar117 on Mar 12, 2008, 11:09:52 PM
Because he is the Wolf plain and simple.
ahh thats why he died, its so simple.. :-X
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 15, 2008, 11:12:58 PM
Quote from: DarkStar117 on Mar 12, 2008, 11:09:52 PM
Because he is the Wolf plain and simple.
ahh thats why he died, its so simple.. :-X
The nuke killed him. Even the awesome Wolf couldn't survive it.
But if there was no nuke, the tail-gut wound would heal instantly, and glow, and shoot lasers. ;D
Quote from: Alienseseses on Mar 16, 2008, 12:40:19 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Mar 15, 2008, 11:12:58 PM
Quote from: DarkStar117 on Mar 12, 2008, 11:09:52 PM
Because he is the Wolf plain and simple.
ahh thats why he died, its so simple.. :-X
The nuke killed him. Even the awesome Wolf couldn't survive it.
But if there was no nuke, the tail-gut wound would heal instantly, and glow, and shoot lasers. ;D
ahhh yes, he didnt reach his super power potential. :P
Super Saian Wolf!
Quote from: Ccoletta86 on Mar 12, 2008, 03:40:04 AM
i hope they redeem the Predators and Aliens for AVP3, Wolf was retarded, Chet was horrible looking and thealiens were helpless flailing babies, an ideal team would be 3 Predators, a skilled veteran and 2 apprentices would be sweet...
I'd prefer two veterans...like the lions in The Ghost and the Darkness
I hope one of them survives but if the director kills both of them off, oh well...
there should be an entire clan of preds vs a hive of aliens. that is what avp-3 should have.
i dont think anyone sent wolf i think he saw the predalien and thought of it as a challenge.
But wasn't he worried about covering his tracks?
He didn't want humans to kill the PA before him, perhaps. Who knows.
I was watching AVP-R last night and I realized why Wolf was the only one who went to earth, why he waited to get to earth to arm himself and....well thats it
Wolf wasn't expecting the aliens to have spread, he knew that Chet was out there somewhere and he had to kill her(I think maybe Predaliens were something against their religion or stuff like in the comics), but he was going more importantly to cover the crashed ship but when he got there he realized that the facehuggers scaped, so he tracks them down, he picks some extra weapons that could help him in case things get out of hand (on his planet he only took some standard weapons and the whip as a weapon of choice), he follows the facehuggers path and realized that they have started to breed, so he starts hunting the aliens and thinks that it wasn't a big deal but Chet appears and complicates things. blah, blah, blah, the town gets nuked, blah, blah, blah, Ms. Yutani, blah, blah, blah.
I think this is ok, tell me what you think, or if it is even something new, important.
Quote from: Da-Wolf on Apr 01, 2008, 02:46:45 AM
I was watching AVP-R last night and I realized why Wolf was the only one who went to earth, why he waited to get to earth to arm himself and....well thats it
Wolf wasn't expecting the aliens to have spread, he knew that Chet was out there somewhere and he had to kill her(I think maybe Predaliens were something against their religion or stuff like in the comics), but he was going more importantly to cover the crashed ship but when he got there he realized that the facehuggers scaped, so he tracks them down, he picks some extra weapons that could help him in case things get out of hand (on his planet he only took some standard weapons and the whip as a weapon of choice), he follows the facehuggers path and realized that they have started to breed, so he starts hunting the aliens and thinks that it wasn't a big deal but Chet appears and complicates things. blah, blah, blah, the town gets nuked, blah, blah, blah, Ms. Yutani, blah, blah, blah.
I think this is ok, tell me what you think, or if it is even something new, important.
that pretty much sums it up
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Sep 18, 2007, 11:02:35 PM
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Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Sep 18, 2007, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: vortep on Sep 18, 2007, 08:49:25 PM
I understand that the wolf is some kind of elite super pred but why they send only one?They know that the predalien kill alot of preds,but they send only one?
Because some damn fool accused him of being the best. ;D
Wolf: But why send me?
Elder: Because some damn fool accused you of being the best...
Wolf: Elder! Youuu son of a bitch!
*Arm wrestles*
Wolf: Looks like the Strauss brothers have you pushing too many human weights!
old Genreal: Why am i here?....
{sweeek}
i had no problem with there beeing one pred but i think the least that bros should had done was let wolf send a distress signal right after he got done with the aliens in the shop OR when the aliens started spreading...
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Apr 02, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
i had no problem with there beeing one pred but i think the least that bros should had done was let wolf send a distress signal right after he got done with the aliens in the shop OR when the aliens started spreading...
no, because that would open another sequel...on Earth. Again. because it would take longer than a day to get to Earth, which was way after the nuke was dropped.
But good thought though
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 07:14:29 AM
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Apr 02, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
i had no problem with there beeing one pred but i think the least that bros should had done was let wolf send a distress signal right after he got done with the aliens in the shop OR when the aliens started spreading...
no, because that would open another sequel...on Earth. Again. because it would take longer than a day to get to Earth, which was way after the nuke was dropped.
But good thought though
well lets hope they can get something going for the 3rd one but something good...
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Apr 02, 2008, 07:27:47 AM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 07:14:29 AM
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Apr 02, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
i had no problem with there beeing one pred but i think the least that bros should had done was let wolf send a distress signal right after he got done with the aliens in the shop OR when the aliens started spreading...
no, because that would open another sequel...on Earth. Again. because it would take longer than a day to get to Earth, which was way after the nuke was dropped.
But good thought though
well lets hope they can get something going for the 3rd one but something good...
fair enough
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Apr 02, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
i had no problem with there beeing one pred but i think the least that bros should had done was let wolf send a distress signal right after he got done with the aliens in the shop OR when the aliens started spreading...
would have been sweet to see 2-3 other veteran Preds like Wolf with their diff weaponry & equipment as back-up....
Quote from: Aran on Apr 02, 2008, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Apr 02, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
i had no problem with there beeing one pred but i think the least that bros should had done was let wolf send a distress signal right after he got done with the aliens in the shop OR when the aliens started spreading...
would have been sweet to see 2-3 other veteran Preds like Wolf with their diff weaponry & equipment as back-up....
but even worse to see them nuked as soon as they arrive...
Quote from: Aran on Apr 02, 2008, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Apr 02, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
i had no problem with there beeing one pred but i think the least that bros should had done was let wolf send a distress signal right after he got done with the aliens in the shop OR when the aliens started spreading...
would have been sweet to see 2-3 other veteran Preds like Wolf with their diff weaponry & equipment as back-up....
yes yes ;D imagine a wave of preds like wolf ;D ;D
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: Aran on Apr 02, 2008, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Apr 02, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
i had no problem with there beeing one pred but i think the least that bros should had done was let wolf send a distress signal right after he got done with the aliens in the shop OR when the aliens started spreading...
would have been sweet to see 2-3 other veteran Preds like Wolf with their diff weaponry & equipment as back-up....
but even worse to see them nuked as soon as they arrive...
yea that would suck too lol
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: Aran on Apr 02, 2008, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Apr 02, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
i had no problem with there beeing one pred but i think the least that bros should had done was let wolf send a distress signal right after he got done with the aliens in the shop OR when the aliens started spreading...
would have been sweet to see 2-3 other veteran Preds like Wolf with their diff weaponry & equipment as back-up....
but even worse to see them nuked as soon as they arrive...
oh talkin bout dat I had an idea hw to change tht scene... just imagine the stupid jet over the city about to nuke it when the Pred ship obliterates the damn jet to oblivion then deploys the afore-mentioned Preds...
Quote from: Aran on Apr 03, 2008, 04:58:35 AM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 09:45:49 AM
Quote from: Aran on Apr 02, 2008, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: XxSaNdMaNxX on Apr 02, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
i had no problem with there beeing one pred but i think the least that bros should had done was let wolf send a distress signal right after he got done with the aliens in the shop OR when the aliens started spreading...
would have been sweet to see 2-3 other veteran Preds like Wolf with their diff weaponry & equipment as back-up....
but even worse to see them nuked as soon as they arrive...
oh talkin bout dat I had an idea hw to change tht scene... just imagine the stupid jet over the city about to nuke it when the Pred ship obliterates the damn jet to oblivion then deploys the afore-mentioned Preds...
lol, the predators have a guardian angel
I remeber reading that Wolf found out about the predailen at the crashed ship on earth, it's in the unrated dvd.
So mayby his original mission was just to get rid of the ship and it's cargo, that kind off a mission doesn't need more than a lone predator, but upon arrival he got side-tracked, mayby the opportunity to hunt a pred-alien queen had something to do with it.
Quote from: Milan on Apr 06, 2008, 10:58:44 PM
I remeber reading that Wolf found out about the predailen at the crashed ship on earth, it's in the unrated dvd.
So mayby his original mission was just to get rid of the ship and it's cargo, that kind off a mission doesn't need more than a lone predator, but upon arrival he got side-tracked, mayby the opportunity to hunt a pred-alien queen had something to do with it.
that could work, but instead of the predalien sidetracking him, he didnt know there were aliens on the ship, so when he saw the presence of aliens on the tap or the smashed tubes, then he knew the matter was worse and decided to take on the alien infestation by himself to prove himself a true warrior and get granted to elder
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 07, 2008, 09:55:14 AM
Quote from: Milan on Apr 06, 2008, 10:58:44 PM
I remeber reading that Wolf found out about the predailen at the crashed ship on earth, it's in the unrated dvd.
So mayby his original mission was just to get rid of the ship and it's cargo, that kind off a mission doesn't need more than a lone predator, but upon arrival he got side-tracked, mayby the opportunity to hunt a pred-alien queen had something to do with it.
that could work, but instead of the predalien sidetracking him, he didnt know there were aliens on the ship, so when he saw the presence of aliens on the tap or the smashed tubes, then he knew the matter was worse and decided to take on the alien infestation by himself to prove himself a true warrior and get granted to elder
perhaps.
What got me bemused about Wolf was that after he saw the Predalien image & decided to hunt it down all he took with him to capture/kill the Predalien was a blue vial, a 2nd plasma caster & 2 shurikens.
is that even enough to take down a Predalien? shouldnt Wolf also have like a net gun, extra long ass spear or somethin to bring along with him?
it aint human he goin after.. heck, even if Arnie was in AVP-R dont think it'd be enough to take him out with a whip, plasma caster & shurikens... pffttt
Quote from: Aran on Apr 08, 2008, 07:06:26 AM
What got me bemused about Wolf was that after he saw the Predalien image & decided to hunt it down all he took with him to capture/kill the Predalien was a blue vial, a 2nd plasma caster & 2 shurikens.
is that even enough to take down a Predalien? shouldnt Wolf also have like a net gun, extra long ass spear or somethin to bring along with him?
it aint human he goin after.. heck, even if Arnie was in AVP-R dont think it'd be enough to take him out with a whip, plasma caster & shurikens... pffttt
im sure he had a combi stick too.
Quote from: Aran on Apr 08, 2008, 07:06:26 AM
What got me bemused about Wolf was that after he saw the Predalien image & decided to hunt it down all he took with him to capture/kill the Predalien was a blue vial, a 2nd plasma caster & 2 shurikens.
is that even enough to take down a Predalien? shouldnt Wolf also have like a net gun, extra long ass spear or somethin to bring along with him?
it aint human he goin after.. heck, even if Arnie was in AVP-R dont think it'd be enough to take him out with a whip, plasma caster & shurikens... pffttt
That would be plenty to take Chat down. He also had a spear.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Apr 08, 2008, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: Aran on Apr 08, 2008, 07:06:26 AM
What got me bemused about Wolf was that after he saw the Predalien image & decided to hunt it down all he took with him to capture/kill the Predalien was a blue vial, a 2nd plasma caster & 2 shurikens.
is that even enough to take down a Predalien? shouldnt Wolf also have like a net gun, extra long ass spear or somethin to bring along with him?
it aint human he goin after.. heck, even if Arnie was in AVP-R dont think it'd be enough to take him out with a whip, plasma caster & shurikens... pffttt
That would be plenty to take Chat down. He also had a spear.
pfftt... tht spear did nothing to Chet... Wolf had his whip but nope.. didnt use it...
He did use it. But Chet yanked it away.
i read only first page...
wolfs hobby is to go clean crap, he went cause he wanted, if other preds got message they cud go too, but they probably prefer to do other stuff, not like earth is that special to have any problem if overrun by aliens.....
thats my 2 cents, being a cleaner is a hobby.
Quote from: Dusk on Apr 08, 2008, 09:00:54 PM
He did use it. But Chet yanked it away.
thats why I said it did nothin to Chet. heck, even Scar using his shuriken & flying wrist blades did more damage to the Queen than Wolf ever did with Chet.
Used his wrist blades only at the last second... pfftttt... the Strause Bros botched this scene totally...
Quote from: Aran on Apr 08, 2008, 08:41:23 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Apr 08, 2008, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: Aran on Apr 08, 2008, 07:06:26 AM
What got me bemused about Wolf was that after he saw the Predalien image & decided to hunt it down all he took with him to capture/kill the Predalien was a blue vial, a 2nd plasma caster & 2 shurikens.
is that even enough to take down a Predalien? shouldnt Wolf also have like a net gun, extra long ass spear or somethin to bring along with him?
it aint human he goin after.. heck, even if Arnie was in AVP-R dont think it'd be enough to take him out with a whip, plasma caster & shurikens... pffttt
That would be plenty to take Chat down. He also had a spear.
pfftt... tht spear did nothing to Chet... Wolf had his whip but nope.. didnt use it...
True, but he probably didn't intend to loose either of his guns. Together, the two guns couldv'e wiped Chet's head clean from her neck.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Apr 09, 2008, 06:25:47 AM
Quote from: Aran on Apr 08, 2008, 08:41:23 PM
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Apr 08, 2008, 08:27:33 PM
Quote from: Aran on Apr 08, 2008, 07:06:26 AM
What got me bemused about Wolf was that after he saw the Predalien image & decided to hunt it down all he took with him to capture/kill the Predalien was a blue vial, a 2nd plasma caster & 2 shurikens.
is that even enough to take down a Predalien? shouldnt Wolf also have like a net gun, extra long ass spear or somethin to bring along with him?
it aint human he goin after.. heck, even if Arnie was in AVP-R dont think it'd be enough to take him out with a whip, plasma caster & shurikens... pffttt
That would be plenty to take Chat down. He also had a spear.
pfftt... tht spear did nothing to Chet... Wolf had his whip but nope.. didnt use it...
True, but he probably didn't intend to loose either of his guns. Together, the two guns couldv'e wiped Chet's head clean from her neck.
they could of, but he wouldn't.
You know predators, good sportsman.
When a worthy opponent challenges them in hand to hand combat
the predators try to make their advantage as little as possible, so the fight is even.
They wouldn't just blow their head off with double plasma casters
was a stupid idea to turn the plasma caster into a handgun... totally blew it
Quotethey could of, but he wouldn't.
You know predators, good sportsman.
When a worthy opponent challenges them in hand to hand combat
the predators try to make their advantage as little as possible, so the fight is even
I'm sorry but if you believe that then you're a tool.
It was obvious to everyone, most of all Wolf that the Predalien was capable of knocking seven shades of shit out of him in hand to hand. Fighting the Predalien in melee combat goes way beyond ego and bravado, it's just flat out moronic. There is absolutely NO GOOD REASON for Wolf to fight the Predalien in hand to hand combat the way he did. None at all. The directors just thought it would be "badass" and "hardcore" if they made their movie like the end of the first Predator.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 09, 2008, 12:20:30 PM
Quotethey could of, but he wouldn't.
You know predators, good sportsman.
When a worthy opponent challenges them in hand to hand combat
the predators try to make their advantage as little as possible, so the fight is even
I'm sorry but if you believe that then you're a tool.
It was obvious to everyone, most of all Wolf that the Predalien was capable of knocking seven shades of shit out of him in hand to hand. Fighting the Predalien in melee combat goes way beyond ego and bravado, it's just flat out moronic. There is absolutely NO GOOD REASON for Wolf to fight the Predalien in hand to hand combat the way he did. None at all. The directors just thought it would be "badass" and "hardcore" if they made their movie like the end of the first Predator.
which they did, for the same intentions. While would wolf take off his mask? it's just making his odds worse, now he cannot see anything, same reason why the predator removed his fight with dutch...
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 09, 2008, 12:20:30 PM
Quotethey could of, but he wouldn't.
You know predators, good sportsman.
When a worthy opponent challenges them in hand to hand combat
the predators try to make their advantage as little as possible, so the fight is even
I'm sorry but if you believe that then you're a tool.
It was obvious to everyone, most of all Wolf that the Predalien was capable of knocking seven shades of shit out of him in hand to hand. Fighting the Predalien in melee combat goes way beyond ego and bravado, it's just flat out moronic. There is absolutely NO GOOD REASON for Wolf to fight the Predalien in hand to hand combat the way he did. None at all. The directors just thought it would be "badass" and "hardcore" if they made their movie like the end of the first Predator.
Youre right, i would have loved to see wolf using that shuriken he has thrown away and killing chet in a second... but i bet you and alien fans wouldnt. ;)
So there was not much choice then letting the predator hand fight chet so the fight would last longer. Makes sense to me.
Corporal Harrison is right. One of the things i find so cool about them is their way of fighting, even if a predalien, the best of two species, is in front of him he doesnt give up, he just runs at it, screaming like a warrior fighting to his death, and even if he loses he doesnt just subdue himself.
And i absolutely love that idea, thats the way the predator character is, a fighter, even if he knows he´s going to lose he wants to lose in a fight with honour, fearless.
Thats why i think most of the people find them so good, they are everything what we would love to be, fearless in certain situations , strong like a bear, cool technology etc.
Its a anti hero.
There's a big difference between a warrior fighting to the bitter end and a warrior who acts like a suicidal maniac.
QuoteIts a anti hero.
Villain.
Quotewhich they did, for the same intentions. While would wolf take off his mask? it's just making his odds worse, now he cannot see anything, same reason why the predator removed his fight with dutch...
It made sense vs Dutch because he was swatting him around like a bug. It didn't make sense vs the Predalien, because the Predalien was bigger, stronger and overall more deadly. In the Predalien vs Predator fight, the Predator is already the underdog, he doesn't need to handicap himself. Like the Strause brothers you're just looking at things on a superficial level and not actually bothering to ask WHY things were done.
exactly my point and why I think its dumb that all Wolf took with him from the crashed ship was the shurikens, another plasma caster & the vial...
is that even enough to go against the Predalien???
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is that even enough to go against the Predalien???
Its actually more then enough.
A plasma caster alone would do the job in seconds.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 09, 2008, 02:50:03 PM
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is that even enough to go against the Predalien???
Its actually more then enough.
A plasma caster alone would do the job in seconds.
sorry.. I kept forgetting the handgun he dropped at the rooftop was still functioning and is actually a plasma caster...
the whip? man... so under utilised...
I wonder, why the signal didn't reached the mother ship in the first place, and when it was shown, that nobody knew about what happened and even wolf thought it was just a crash, some preds from the mother ship didn't take care of it. It was just a crash in their eyes, wasn't it? Why bother wolf on the other side of the galaxy, when mothership crew is much much more closer?
I never liked the whip to begin with, it was just a gimmick. Was hoping to see the Predator use his spear more, I faceplamed pretty hard when he threw it and missed.
The whip just doesn't look like a hunter's tool. A spear evokes imagery of a hunter. The shoulder gun is like a far more advanced hunter's bow. The whip...? Whips make noise and are used to startle animals. If Aliens were animals and Earth was a giant farm, this'd make sense. But since neither is true, I don't see its purpose.
Why didn't the Predalien just kill Wolf when he was on his back in the hospital?
Or why didn't the Predalien kill Wolf when he was taking off his helmet and weapons?
Why didn't the Aliens just massacre Wolf when he was healing, or when he was in a confined space?
Wolf should have died 10 times over in Requiem, but the Strause Brothers manipulated every fight so that he won all the time.
That's fanboy bias for you. Realistically, no Predator would have survived the battle in Gunnison as long as Wolf.
Instead of Colonial marines, imagine one Predator walking into that hive in Aliens. Would he last any longer than five seconds? Of course not. He'd be taken from above, immobilized, cocooned, and chestbursted before he could react.
Quote from: RumorControl on Apr 09, 2008, 04:48:13 PM
Why didn't the Predalien just kill Wolf when he was on his back in the hospital?
Or why didn't the Predalien kill Wolf when he was taking off his helmet and weapons?
Why didn't the Aliens just massacre Wolf when he was healing, or when he was in a confined space?
Wolf should have died 10 times over in Requiem, but the Strause Brothers manipulated every fight so that he won all the time.
That's fanboy bias for you. Realistically, no Predator would have survived the battle in Gunnison as long as Wolf.
Instead of Colonial marines, imagine one Predator walking into that hive in Aliens. Would he last any longer than five seconds? Of course not. He'd be taken from above, immobilized, cocooned, and chestbursted before he could react.
Ohh god please not another allyboy who cant accept the truth...
Quote from: vehtam on Apr 09, 2008, 04:32:24 PM
I wonder, why the signal didn't reached the mother ship in the first place, and when it was shown, that nobody knew about what happened and even wolf thought it was just a crash, some preds from the mother ship didn't take care of it. It was just a crash in their eyes, wasn't it? Why bother wolf on the other side of the galaxy, when mothership crew is much much more closer?
lots of loopholes right?
we didnt even get an explanation why the scout ship HAD to go back to Earth when they WERE JUST there....
What truth? That AVP-R is a wank fest made by Pred fanboys, for Pred fanboys?
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 09, 2008, 05:38:31 PM
What truth? That AVP-R is a wank fest made by Pred fanboys, for Pred fanboys?
Dont care about that one my friend, because the movie is canon, even if you wish it wasnt.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 09, 2008, 01:53:01 PM
There's a big difference between a warrior fighting to the bitter end and a warrior who acts like a suicidal maniac.
I could hardly agree more. This is a problem widely acknowledged with the later interpretations of how Klingons came to be: They would rather pick up a blade and yell, running into the battlefield, than do the intelligent, strategic thing.
If Predators followed that type of mentality and were in World War One, they would have been wiped out. :)
Hmm, now I'm imagining a visual of one cloaked, on the misty, fog-bound Somme... Damn, that's funky. Could make an interesting '
Deathwatch'-type story, that, if done right.
QuoteIt made sense vs Dutch because he was swatting him around like a bug. It didn't make sense vs the Predalien, because the Predalien was bigger, stronger and overall more deadly. In the Predalien vs Predator fight, the Predator is already the underdog, he doesn't need to handicap himself. Like the Strause brothers you're just looking at things on a superficial level and not actually bothering to ask WHY things were done.
In itself, it might not have necessarily mattered, but it was just so blindingly
obvious as not the right thing to do, because the Predator very
slowly and deliberately takes off its mask after throwing away all its other weapons, yet the Predalien's roaring and posing and writhing around, only a few feet in front of it. Not to mention, all the other creatures still around in the town.
An impressive
still image, yes. Ridiculous, when in motion.
That was one of those things which was purely down to their directing technique. They could have had the fight choreographed in such a way as to have the mask ripped off. Or even have the thing remove it fast. There were any number of ways to have had its weapons used up, dissolved by acid, miss the target, break or...
By having the camera linger for so long over both of them during that sequence, it made the Predator seem foolish and the Predalien not knowing what the heck it was doing. 'Grid' was not something which impressed me in the previous film, but at least it had the instinctive reflexes more or less right. Grid would have skewered 'Wolf' as easily as it did with those in the first film.
It was these moments of having the camera linger on things, in an attempt to build up tension, which caused certain other scenes to fail, too. the stakes kept raising, but in such as way as to make the viewer think, after a few seconds, "Well, why doesn't X do Y, instead of just standing/being held up there?"
Now you didnt really compared predators to Klingons right?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 09, 2008, 05:46:11 PM
Now you didnt really compared predators to Klingons right?
I've done it for a long time, in regards to Perry's interpretations.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 09, 2008, 05:59:37 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 09, 2008, 05:46:11 PM
Now you didnt really compared predators to Klingons right?
I've done it for a long time, in regards to Perry's interpretations.
Looks like perry has not the best ideas and interpretations. :)
Oh no, you'd love him. His Predators are God-like and his Aliens are retarded. Watching AVP-R is like reading a Perry AVP novel.
I really wonder why so many people portray predators as being superior to aliens...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 09, 2008, 05:20:04 PM
Quote from: RumorControl on Apr 09, 2008, 04:48:13 PM
Why didn't the Predalien just kill Wolf when he was on his back in the hospital?
Or why didn't the Predalien kill Wolf when he was taking off his helmet and weapons?
Why didn't the Aliens just massacre Wolf when he was healing, or when he was in a confined space?
Wolf should have died 10 times over in Requiem, but the Strause Brothers manipulated every fight so that he won all the time.
That's fanboy bias for you. Realistically, no Predator would have survived the battle in Gunnison as long as Wolf.
Instead of Colonial marines, imagine one Predator walking into that hive in Aliens. Would he last any longer than five seconds? Of course not. He'd be taken from above, immobilized, cocooned, and chestbursted before he could react.
Ohh god please not another allyboy who cant accept the truth...
There's no truth in AvPR, I think that much is obvious.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 09, 2008, 06:34:21 PM
I really wonder why so many people portray predators as being superior to aliens...
Because too many fanboys make the mistake of turning a psychotic, sadistic egomaniac villain into an honourable, badass anti-hero. They turn the Predators into good guys, the Aliens are bad guys and the good guys are obviously gonna win.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 09, 2008, 07:05:09 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 09, 2008, 06:34:21 PM
I really wonder why so many people portray predators as being superior to aliens...
Because too many fanboys make the mistake of turning a psychotic, sadistic egomaniac villain into an honourable, badass anti-hero. They turn the Predators into good guys, the Aliens are bad guys and the good guys are obviously gonna win.
But what do you want them to do? Nobody wants to see humans win again, Aliens I don't think are possible to turn into good guys, and Predators are easy to transform. Hence-predas are turned into anti-heroes.
You need to stop and ask yourself, why do the Predators have to be turned into (anti) heroes? Why do we have to have this good guy bad guy cliche? Why can't we just have 2 bad guys?
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Apr 09, 2008, 06:34:21 PM
I really wonder why so many people portray predators as being superior to aliens...
I think that is easy to answer. Predators on screen as alien as they are much more like humans. I think a more humanlike creature, even an evil one, by its nature will have more sympathy from the viewers than what they perceive as an animal. A lot of Pred fans see Aliens as just another dangerous animal. Therefore the more thinking, technilogically advanced creature, the one they can identify with the most gets their fandom. It also doesn't hurt that they carry really big guns that blows the crap out of things and state of the art armor.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 09, 2008, 08:26:28 PM
You need to stop and ask yourself, why do the Predators have to be turned into (anti) heroes? Why do we have to have this good guy bad guy cliche? Why can't we just have 2 bad guys?
Because you need to root for someone.
Though he was a lot more evil than Scar.
The answer to this is very easy, Fox hired biased assholes to the series who favor the predator over the alien and made it VERY VERY obvious. :-\
QuoteBecause you need to root for someone.
And we would if the humans in AvP weren't boring-as-f**k insipid waste-of-space cannon fodder.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Apr 10, 2008, 01:02:53 AM
Because you need to root for someone.
*Sighs, shakes head, and moves on*
Anyways, the Pred wasn't sent by other Predators in the unrated cut (you could probably argue that the original cut doesn't imply that either). He just got a message that was sent, and then decided to go to Earth and clean up the wreckage.
^ Pretty much explains it all. He went on his own perogative.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 09, 2008, 08:26:28 PM
You need to stop and ask yourself, why do the Predators have to be turned into (anti) heroes? Why do we have to have this good guy bad guy cliche? Why can't we just have 2 bad guys?
Because if you have 2 bad guys, eventually one of those bad guys are going to turn into an anti-hero/hero. It is inevitable.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Apr 10, 2008, 06:11:45 AM
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 09, 2008, 08:26:28 PM
You need to stop and ask yourself, why do the Predators have to be turned into (anti) heroes? Why do we have to have this good guy bad guy cliche? Why can't we just have 2 bad guys?
Because if you have 2 bad guys, eventually one of those bad guys are going to turn into an anti-hero/hero. It is inevitable.
Pretty much. You have too root for one of them.
QuoteBecause if you have 2 bad guys, eventually one of those bad guys are going to turn into an anti-hero/hero. It is inevitable.
It's inevitable when you have hacks excreting screenplays that don't have human characters to root for.
Quote from: SM on Apr 10, 2008, 09:23:05 AM
QuoteBecause if you have 2 bad guys, eventually one of those bad guys are going to turn into an anti-hero/hero. It is inevitable.
It's inevitable when you have hacks excreting screenplays that don't have human characters to root for.
exactly, thats why im sick of this " humans arent important in avp movies"....
I don't think it is inevitable that you will eventually root for one, if make the human characters actually interesting.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 10, 2008, 11:23:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 10, 2008, 09:23:05 AM
QuoteBecause if you have 2 bad guys, eventually one of those bad guys are going to turn into an anti-hero/hero. It is inevitable.
It's inevitable when you have hacks excreting screenplays that don't have human characters to root for.
exactly, thats why im sick of this " humans arent important in avp movies"....
well, the title is AVP, they are almost forcing you to pick a side to root for.
When they show the title aliens vs. predator, they know the main focus is going to be on these 2 species fighting, and one may win, one may lose or they both win or they both lose.
People want to see who wins, they don't really care about the human characters (obviously it's also because they are weak characters) but people are going to want to choose a race they prefer and root for them.
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 10, 2008, 11:34:03 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 10, 2008, 11:23:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 10, 2008, 09:23:05 AM
QuoteBecause if you have 2 bad guys, eventually one of those bad guys are going to turn into an anti-hero/hero. It is inevitable.
It's inevitable when you have hacks excreting screenplays that don't have human characters to root for.
exactly, thats why im sick of this " humans arent important in avp movies"....
well, the title is AVP, they are almost forcing you to pick a side to root for.
When they show the title aliens vs. predator, they know the main focus is going to be on these 2 species fighting, and one may win, one may lose or they both win or they both lose.
People want to see who wins, they don't really care about the human characters (obviously it's also because they are weak characters) but people are going to want to choose a race they prefer and root for them.
thats why you make the preds and aliens the bad guys and the people the good guys, problem is we need a good writer...
QuotePeople want to see who wins, they don't really care about the human characters
Get the f**k out.
Maybe that is the opinion of teenagers or morons with attention spans that last less than 90 minutes who think that violence, swearing, tits and AWESOME EXPLOSIONS are what make a good movie... but that is most certainly NOT the opinion held by those of us who actually give a shit about the integrity of these franchises. The foundations of the original Alien and Predator movies were a solid cast of human characters and the fact that this is a VS movie is no excuse for removing that.
But that's just it, if you put human characters as the main character, people start saying stuff like:" Oh, if I wanted to see a human chased by an Alien, I'd see Alien movies, I want AVP to be about pitting my 2 favourate creatures against each other" So you really can't win.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Apr 10, 2008, 08:16:56 PM
But that's just it, if you put human characters as the main character, people start saying stuff like:" Oh, if I wanted to see a human chased by an Alien, I'd see Alien movies, I want AVP to be about pitting my 2 favourate creatures against each other" So you really can't win.
I think any number of characters from the Alien or Predator franchises, could have made the AvP films much better.
It would have been interesting if the last Pred in the crashed ship DID NOT DIE.
Then both Wolf and him can go hunt down the dumb Chet...
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 10, 2008, 01:02:24 PM
who think that violence, swearing, tits and AWESOME EXPLOSIONS are what make a good movie
Sounds like one hell of a good movie to me :)
I think its because they, being the fans, know that we cant win so they go for the closest thing, in this situation the preds.
QuoteSo you really can't win.
Of course you can if, once again, you don't have hacks catering for morons.
But that seems to be the core demographic these days, so they're not likely to change anytime soon.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 10, 2008, 01:02:24 PM
QuotePeople want to see who wins, they don't really care about the human characters
Get the f**k out.
Maybe that is the opinion of teenagers or morons with attention spans that last less than 90 minutes who think that violence, swearing, tits and AWESOME EXPLOSIONS are what make a good movie... but that is most certainly NOT the opinion held by those of us who actually give a shit about the integrity of these franchises. The foundations of the original Alien and Predator movies were a solid cast of human characters and the fact that this is a VS movie is no excuse for removing that.
Intergrity? Haha, neither franchise has anymore 'intergrity' to speak of.
He's talking about the integrity (note spelling) both series once had.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Apr 10, 2008, 01:02:24 PM
QuotePeople want to see who wins, they don't really care about the human characters
Get the f**k out.
Maybe that is the opinion of teenagers or morons with attention spans that last less than 90 minutes who think that violence, swearing, tits and AWESOME EXPLOSIONS are what make a good movie... but that is most certainly NOT the opinion held by those of us who actually give a shit about the integrity of these franchises. The foundations of the original Alien and Predator movies were a solid cast of human characters and the fact that this is a VS movie is no excuse for removing that.
Can I buy you a round of beers? Make that two. Get
really hammered.
Spot on post. That's like Ridley Scott saying "It'll just be a
monster movie, who cares about the human characters!", before making Alien. THAT'S how it should be with these movies. Of COURSE we're gonna compare them to the originals, that's the whole point. You don't make a film going "Ok this will never top the original might as well not try." Have you seen the Dark Knight trailer, folks? Yeah it's a sequel, but it looks a-ton-of-bricks more amazing than the already amazing Batman Begins.
Quote from: SM on Apr 11, 2008, 01:22:08 AM
QuoteSo you really can't win.
Of course you can if, once again, you don't have hacks catering for morons.
But that seems to be the core demographic these days, so they're not likely to change anytime soon.
Whether the directors are idiots or not has nothing to do with it. Some people want minimum humans, some people want maximum, this time, you didn't get your way, get over it!
I feel so enlightened... ::)
I stopped giving a f**k a long time ago, so there's nothing to get over.
I was merely objectively stating the bleeding obvious for creating a half decent film.
The BS obviously wanted 'maximum human interaction' otherwise they wouldn't have droned about the great characters and actors they had.
Quote from: SM on Apr 11, 2008, 07:38:25 AM
I feel so enlightened... ::)
I stopped giving a f**k a long time ago, so there's nothing to get over.
I was merely objectively stating the bleeding obvious for creating a half decent film.
The BS obviously wanted 'maximum human interaction' otherwise they wouldn't have droned about the great characters and actors they had.
You realise that your not actually posting anything that is helping proving your point right? Like I said before, whether the film or the directors are good or not is totally irrelivant, there will always be two diffrent groups who want diffrent things, and both groups will never win.
why did the predators send only wolf?
well, it does make a lot more sense in the unrated version now, after finding out that they
have moved the part where the predator sees the predalien in the recording has been moved
forward until the part he discovers the crashed ship. Good.
It just makes it obvious that the predators only sent wolf because the mission was originally to
destroy the ship, so no humans discover it.
It's only when wolf enters the shipwreck, he discovers there were aliens on board, switches his vision modes and finds alien evidence showing they have survived and left the ship.
That's when he searches the jungle for the facehuggers and stumbles across the father and son, who have both already been chestbursted. He destroys the evidence and so on.
Quote from: Chocolate man! on Apr 10, 2008, 08:16:56 PM
But that's just it, if you put human characters as the main character, people start saying stuff like:" Oh, if I wanted to see a human chased by an Alien, I'd see Alien movies, I want AVP to be about pitting my 2 favourate creatures against each other" So you really can't win.
you have the action around and following the human characters, what avp-r did is just show a few scenes with forgettable people then cutting back to wolf slaughtering aliens...not good story telling...
God damnit, whats wrong with 1 Predator cleaning out the Aliens?
They dont need to be 5 Preds to show of there skills, All it takes is 1 Predator.
It has been proved in p1 when a singel pred wiped out every skilled soldiers (not Arnold of course)
So I dont see why people are upset about that they only sent 1 PREDATOR.
If you are still wondering about how Wolf kickt there ass, I have the answer. Here it is,
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right. So if she can do it, Then a Predator could hold down 5 aliens with no problems.
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right.
Held down an Alien
which she shot several times first, using her
whole body strength in an
incredibly tight space while
unloading a clip into its head.
From the Alien dropping on Vasquez, to her having killed it, is nine seconds. All the while the thing is struggling, unable to get to her because of how tight the location is and the fact she's boring several holes into its head.
In
AvPR, Wolf holds two completely uninjured Aliens for nine seconds in a wide open space using just his arms, and the Aliens are powerless to do
anything.
I think I speak for everyone with a lick of common sense when I say this.
Huge. Freaking. Difference
Quote from: SiL on Apr 11, 2008, 10:51:02 AM
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right.
Held down an Alien which she shot several times first, using her whole body strength in an incredibly tight space while unloading a clip into its head.
From the Alien dropping on Vasquez, to her having killed it, is nine seconds. All the while the thing is struggling, unable to get to her because of how tight the location is and the fact she's boring several holes into its head.
In AvPR, Wolf holds two completely uninjured Aliens for nine seconds in a wide open space using just his arms, and the Aliens are powerless to do anything.
I think I speak for everyone with a lick of common sense when I say this.
Huge. Freaking. Difference
Yeah, I even posted a thread on that with screencaps and everything so case closed.
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
God damnit, whats wrong with 1 Predator cleaning out the Aliens?
They dont need to be 5 Preds to show of there skills, All it takes is 1 Predator.
It has been proved in p1 when a singel pred wiped out every skilled soldiers (not Arnold of course)
So I dont see why people are upset about that they only sent 1 PREDATOR.
If you are still wondering about how Wolf kickt there ass, I have the answer. Here it is,
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right. So if she can do it, Then a Predator could hold down 5 aliens with no problems.
well incase ya havent worked out, anytime was killing humans not aliens...aliens are much much tougher...i dont see how your theory on anytime killing humans easy applys to wolf killing aliens... ::)
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
God damnit, whats wrong with 1 Predator cleaning out the Aliens?
They dont need to be 5 Preds to show of there skills, All it takes is 1 Predator.
It has been proved in p1 when a singel pred wiped out every skilled soldiers (not Arnold of course)
So I dont see why people are upset about that they only sent 1 PREDATOR.
If you are still wondering about how Wolf kickt there ass, I have the answer. Here it is,
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right. So if she can do it, Then a Predator could hold down 5 aliens with no problems.
well incase ya havent worked out, anytime was killing humans not aliens...aliens are much much tougher...i dont see how your theory on anytime killing humans easy applys to wolf killing aliens... ::)
i reckon dutch's commando squad, were better than the colonial marines in aliens, basically because the marines were on private or corporal or sergeant rankings,
while as in predator, we had majors, captains, and lieutenants, plus they are elite forces, not a bunch of grunts.
What im saying is dutch's team could easily wipe out aliens, possibly do a better job than the colonial marines, seeming they have more powerful weapons anyway.
So it would have been tougher for 'anytime' to wipe out such the commandos,
if that commando squad is better than the colonial marines, i have no doubt they could easily mow down rampaging aliens. (especially if they are wielding that minigun)
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 11, 2008, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
God damnit, whats wrong with 1 Predator cleaning out the Aliens?
They dont need to be 5 Preds to show of there skills, All it takes is 1 Predator.
It has been proved in p1 when a singel pred wiped out every skilled soldiers (not Arnold of course)
So I dont see why people are upset about that they only sent 1 PREDATOR.
If you are still wondering about how Wolf kickt there ass, I have the answer. Here it is,
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right. So if she can do it, Then a Predator could hold down 5 aliens with no problems.
well incase ya havent worked out, anytime was killing humans not aliens...aliens are much much tougher...i dont see how your theory on anytime killing humans easy applys to wolf killing aliens... ::)
i reckon dutch's commando squad, were better than the colonial marines in aliens, basically because the marines were on private or corporal or sergeant rankings,
while as in predator, we had majors, captains, and lieutenants, plus they are elite forces, not a bunch of grunts.
What im saying is dutch's team could easily wipe out aliens, possibly do a better job than the colonial marines, seeming they have more powerful weapons anyway.
So it would have been tougher for 'anytime' to wipe out such the commandos,
if that commando squad is better than the colonial marines, i have no doubt they could easily mow down rampaging aliens. (especially if they are wielding that minigun)
Not if you look at the evidence:
Dutch's commando squad - 20th century weaponry, trained to deal with guerillas and other armed combatants, experienced in 20th century warfare
Colonial Marines - 22nd century weaponry, trained to deal with hostile aliens (it's unstated what else the colonial marines do), experience in interplanetary warfare.
I think the CM would've taken out that guerilla base in seconds. Dutch's team would've fared less well against the hive.
Quote from: gameoverman on Apr 11, 2008, 12:28:47 PM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 11, 2008, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
God damnit, whats wrong with 1 Predator cleaning out the Aliens?
They dont need to be 5 Preds to show of there skills, All it takes is 1 Predator.
It has been proved in p1 when a singel pred wiped out every skilled soldiers (not Arnold of course)
So I dont see why people are upset about that they only sent 1 PREDATOR.
If you are still wondering about how Wolf kickt there ass, I have the answer. Here it is,
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right. So if she can do it, Then a Predator could hold down 5 aliens with no problems.
well incase ya havent worked out, anytime was killing humans not aliens...aliens are much much tougher...i dont see how your theory on anytime killing humans easy applys to wolf killing aliens... ::)
i reckon dutch's commando squad, were better than the colonial marines in aliens, basically because the marines were on private or corporal or sergeant rankings,
while as in predator, we had majors, captains, and lieutenants, plus they are elite forces, not a bunch of grunts.
What im saying is dutch's team could easily wipe out aliens, possibly do a better job than the colonial marines, seeming they have more powerful weapons anyway.
So it would have been tougher for 'anytime' to wipe out such the commandos,
if that commando squad is better than the colonial marines, i have no doubt they could easily mow down rampaging aliens. (especially if they are wielding that minigun)
Not if you look at the evidence:
Dutch's commando squad - 20th century weaponry, trained to deal with guerillas and other armed combatants, experienced in 20th century warfare
Colonial Marines - 22nd century weaponry, trained to deal with hostile aliens (it's unstated what else the colonial marines do), experience in interplanetary warfare.
I think the CM would've taken out that guerilla base in seconds. Dutch's team would've fared less well against the hive.
what you didn't state was the fact that the commando's were far more organised, and frosty.
When they found out they were dealing with an alien, or bizzare enemy, they attempted to kill it by setting traps etc. they didn't start b*tching or anything.
In aliens after the first encounter, with the aliens they were intending to battle, they got their asses wooped and hudson was pratically sh*tting his pants the rest of the movie.
Sure, they have the technology, but i think the commando's weaponry was far better, their assault rifles were far more high powered, plus they had a minigun, when compared to the smartgun in the avp2 game, the minigun is far more superior.
QuoteWhen they found out they were dealing with an alien, or bizzare enemy, they attempted to kill it by setting traps etc. they didn't start b*tching or anything.
In aliens after the first encounter, with the aliens they were intending to battle, they got their asses wooped and hudson was pratically sh*tting his pants the rest of the movie.
well at first dutch and his squad thought it was a couple of men....the C-marines knew they were aliens and were skitzin it because they werent expecting there to be...
im sure their opinion on who was following them changed when all the witnesses were dumbstruck and claimed to have seen 'the jungle coming to life' or a chameleon.
That's why later on, when dylan insisted that they were just a few guys running about their reaction to his statement was different.
Mac and dylan saw the creature, they didn't flee or run off screaming, they attempted to kill it, although failing.
Dutch, another good example, he doesn't try to run away, he stays behind with no weapons and tries to take on a fully armed predator with a bow and arrow and a few well thought out traps.
Dutch succeeded, sorry, but i can't see any of the colonial marines (including hicks and ripley) accomplishing that.
Mac and Billy both freaked out and pulled a Hudson (though Billy was more insane IMO).
The only CM that skitzed out was Hudson, btw, Vasquez kept her cool, so did Hicks, Gorman was unconscious, so..
Quote from: gameoverman on Apr 11, 2008, 01:11:46 PM
Mac and Billy both freaked out and pulled a Hudson (though Billy was more insane IMO).
The only CM that skitzed out was Hudson, btw, Vasquez kept her cool, so did Hicks, Gorman was unconscious, so..
gorman did freak out though, and just watched his team die
Quote from: gameoverman on Apr 11, 2008, 12:28:47 PM
I think the CM would've taken out that guerilla base in seconds. Dutch's team would've fared less well against the hive.
Eh, based on what? They walked into a cramped environment in one large group wielding flame throwers. That's just f**king retarded. They showed no sign of being able to stealthily infiltrate an open encampment and take it apart like Dutch's team did.
Quote from: gameoverman on Apr 11, 2008, 01:11:46 PM
Mac and Billy both freaked out and pulled a Hudson
Again, what? When push came to shove, Mac nor Billy argued with their CO or started ranting. They did their jobs like they were meant to. Even at the end Mac didn't freak out - Snapped a little and charged off blindly, yes, freak out, no. Billy stood his ground to face the opponent head on, not exactly something someone who was freaking out would do.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 12:49:38 PM
well at first dutch and his squad thought it was a couple of men....the C-marines knew they were aliens and were skitzin it because they werent expecting there to be...
Except they saw the acid blood, saw the face-huggers in the Med Lab, and walked into this oddly non-human-growth-covered environment which obviously wasn't something that came with the colony. If they still didn't know there were Aliens in the area, see above; they were morons.
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 11, 2008, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
God damnit, whats wrong with 1 Predator cleaning out the Aliens?
They dont need to be 5 Preds to show of there skills, All it takes is 1 Predator.
It has been proved in p1 when a singel pred wiped out every skilled soldiers (not Arnold of course)
So I dont see why people are upset about that they only sent 1 PREDATOR.
If you are still wondering about how Wolf kickt there ass, I have the answer. Here it is,
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right. So if she can do it, Then a Predator could hold down 5 aliens with no problems.
i reckon dutch's commando squad, were better than the colonial marines in aliens, basically because the marines were on private or corporal or sergeant rankings,
while as in predator, we had majors, captains, and lieutenants, plus they are elite forces, not a bunch of grunts.
What im saying is dutch's team could easily wipe out aliens, possibly do a better job than the colonial marines, seeming they have more powerful weapons anyway.
So it would have been tougher for 'anytime' to wipe out such the commandos,
if that commando squad is better than the colonial marines, i have no doubt they could easily mow down rampaging aliens. (especially if they are wielding that minigun)
Well said.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 11, 2008, 09:38:03 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Apr 11, 2008, 12:28:47 PM
I think the CM would've taken out that guerilla base in seconds. Dutch's team would've fared less well against the hive.
Eh, based on what? They walked into a cramped environment in one large group wielding flame throwers. That's just f**king retarded. They showed no sign of being able to stealthily infiltrate an open encampment and take it apart like Dutch's team did.
Quote from: gameoverman on Apr 11, 2008, 01:11:46 PM
Mac and Billy both freaked out and pulled a Hudson
Again, what? When push came to shove, Mac nor Billy argued with their CO or started ranting. They did their jobs like they were meant to. Even at the end Mac didn't freak out - Snapped a little and charged off blindly, yes, freak out, no. Billy stood his ground to face the opponent head on, not exactly something someone who was freaking out would do.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 12:49:38 PM
well at first dutch and his squad thought it was a couple of men....the C-marines knew they were aliens and were skitzin it because they werent expecting there to be...
Except they saw the acid blood, saw the face-huggers in the Med Lab, and walked into this oddly non-human-growth-covered environment which obviously wasn't something that came with the colony. If they still didn't know there were Aliens in the area, see above; they were morons.
its kinda hard to put up an offense against an infinite number of wall crawling aliens. half the movie dutch's team thought it was a team hunting them....the time they worked out it wasnt a team they thought it was a f_cking chameleon....so they had no idea what it was....hudson and the marines new because of ripley what they were up against and they were scared as anyone would be...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 12, 2008, 02:12:23 AM
its kinda hard to put up an offense against an infinite number of wall crawling aliens.
It was 157 at the
most. A big number, yes; unmanageable, not in the least.
Quoteso they had no idea what it was....hudson and the marines new because of ripley what they were up against and they were scared as anyone would be...
Which means Dutch and co. fared better against an opponent they knew nothing about, than the marines did against a foe they had plenty of information on.
QuoteIt was 157 at the most. A big number, yes; unmanageable, not in the least.
over a hundred 8ft tall wall crawling aliens would be enough to have a hard time with.
QuoteWhich means Dutch and co. fared better against an opponent they knew nothing about, than the marines did against a foe they had plenty of information on.
sure they had information, information that had no help in an offensive attack against them, sure knowing there reproduction cycle is handy but not in a combat situation....
They aren't bulletproof, they bleed acid, they're fast.
Translates to: Stand way the f**k back and shoot like hell.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 12, 2008, 08:25:52 AM
They aren't bulletproof, they bleed acid, they're fast.
Translates to: Stand way the f**k back and shoot like hell.
would be kinda hard in a tight corridor, compared to dutch's squad who were in the 'free' jungle...
A corridor gives you a clear line of sight. The sentry guns had no problem.
A jungle is 360 degrees of obstacles.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 12, 2008, 08:29:32 AM
A corridor gives you a clear line of sight. The sentry guns had no problem.
A jungle is 360 degrees of obstacles.
1 enemy in a 360 degree of obstacles is much less frightening then a cramped corridor of countless xenomorphs, even tho you have a clear line of sight you would be lucky enough to to get snagged by an alien or not get acid blood on you...
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
God damnit, whats wrong with 1 Predator cleaning out the Aliens?
They dont need to be 5 Preds to show of there skills, All it takes is 1 Predator.
It has been proved in p1 when a singel pred wiped out every skilled soldiers (not Arnold of course)
So I dont see why people are upset about that they only sent 1 PREDATOR.
If you are still wondering about how Wolf kickt there ass, I have the answer. Here it is,
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right. So if she can do it, Then a Predator could hold down 5 aliens with no problems.
its a PREDALIEN.... of coz Wolf coudl take out the aliens
Quote from: Aran on Apr 12, 2008, 08:46:54 AM
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
God damnit, whats wrong with 1 Predator cleaning out the Aliens?
They dont need to be 5 Preds to show of there skills, All it takes is 1 Predator.
It has been proved in p1 when a singel pred wiped out every skilled soldiers (not Arnold of course)
So I dont see why people are upset about that they only sent 1 PREDATOR.
If you are still wondering about how Wolf kickt there ass, I have the answer. Here it is,
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right. So if she can do it, Then a Predator could hold down 5 aliens with no problems.
its a PREDALIEN.... of coz Wolf coudl take out the aliens
i dont see your point?
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 12, 2008, 08:50:51 AM
Quote from: Aran on Apr 12, 2008, 08:46:54 AM
Quote from: Lionhart on Apr 11, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
God damnit, whats wrong with 1 Predator cleaning out the Aliens?
They dont need to be 5 Preds to show of there skills, All it takes is 1 Predator.
It has been proved in p1 when a singel pred wiped out every skilled soldiers (not Arnold of course)
So I dont see why people are upset about that they only sent 1 PREDATOR.
If you are still wondering about how Wolf kickt there ass, I have the answer. Here it is,
In aliens, Vasquez had no problem holding down an alien with her foot if I remember right. So if she can do it, Then a Predator could hold down 5 aliens with no problems.
its a PREDALIEN.... of coz Wolf coudl take out the aliens
i dont see your point?
it is clear that 1 Pred wont be enough to hunt/capture a Predalien...
Quote from: SiL on Apr 11, 2008, 09:38:03 PM
Quote from: gameoverman on Apr 11, 2008, 12:28:47 PM
I think the CM would've taken out that guerilla base in seconds. Dutch's team would've fared less well against the hive.
Eh, based on what? They walked into a cramped environment in one large group wielding flame throwers. That's just f**king retarded. They showed no sign of being able to stealthily infiltrate an open encampment and take it apart like Dutch's team did.
Dutch's team going into the reactor would have the same problems as the CM except at least the CM have some experience in these situations.
QuoteQuote from: gameoverman on Apr 11, 2008, 01:11:46 PM
Mac and Billy both freaked out and pulled a Hudson
Again, what? When push came to shove, Mac nor Billy argued with their CO or started ranting. They did their jobs like they were meant to. Even at the end Mac didn't freak out - Snapped a little and charged off blindly, yes, freak out, no. Billy stood his ground to face the opponent head on, not exactly something someone who was freaking out would do.
Mac undeniably freaked out when he first saw the predator, firing the minigun blindly like Hudson did in operations. As for Billy, would it be a good idea to stand your ground armed with only a knife against an alien? No, and they still had no idea what they were dealing with. He freaked.
Quoteit is clear that 1 Pred wont be enough to hunt/capture a Predalien...
yeh, and 1 predator aint enough to wipe out aliens...
Quote from: gameoverman on Apr 12, 2008, 09:13:09 AM
Dutch's team going into the reactor would have the same problems as the CM except at least the CM have some experience in these situations.
Except we see that they adapt much better to changing situations. From what we saw in
Predator, they don't look like the kind to bunch up with flame throwers indoors. Not only that, do you really imagine Dutch seizing up when the shit hits the fan? No sir, because he didn't. When the shit hit the fan, he pulled his men together and they sorted shit out.
Then most of them died.
But still. I didn't see Gorman going toe-to-toe with the Queen at the end, no
sir.
QuoteMac undeniably freaked out when he first saw the predator, firing the minigun blindly like Hudson did in operations.
He called out that he found the target, unloaded his ammunition, then when he ran out he did what any smart person would do; picked up the bigger gun and leveled the forest in front of him to try and get the son of a bitch. He kept his head, he didn't start screaming obscenities, he just did some hardcore gardening.
QuoteAs for Billy, would it be a good idea to stand your ground armed with only a knife against an alien? No, and they still had no idea what they were dealing with. He freaked.
And again, if he had freaked out he would've been running like a sissy firing blind. He got fed up with running and wanted to face his demon. He didn't about face and charge madly at the Predator when all hope was lost like Lambert in
Predator 2. He stopped, threw away his weapon, calmly turned around, took off his vest, and readied himself for a fight.
They knew that they were dealing with a hunter - Billy was the first to call it that. A tracker like himself would likely be able to spot the personality of a hunter in the actions of the Predator to boot. He took a chance and went to give a good fight.
He may have lost it in the head, but he didn't freak out.
Quotehe just did some hardcore gardening.
:D Priceless!
I don't think the CM getting whooped at the reactor had to anything to do with their fighting skills. They had really bad leadership. The whole reason they went in unprepaired was because they had no intel and were under orders from a bad CO. Even then they broke his orders and gave themselves a bit more of a chance. If Dutch's team was being commanded by Gorman and they went into the hive they would have been just as screwed.
the Colonial Marines where getting their asses kicked cause they never fought Xenos before
Leadership and cooperation are key to victory. Dutch's team worked well together. The marines were constantly bickering, disobeying orders, and had a terrible lieutenant.
So I say, the marines suck more.
Imo Dutch team would have handled the Aliens better the the marines. Why?
I tell you why,
1. Dutch the perfect soldier.
2. Dillon a great soldier.
3. Mac, Crazy mother f**ker.
4 Billy, The guy that can sense everything.
5. Blain, and his M134 Minigun KICKT ASS.
6. Poncho, also a good soldier.
7, Hawkins, A funny guy that would prolly keep the guys in a good mood while they are looking for Aliens.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 12, 2008, 05:27:02 PM
Leadership and cooperation are key to victory.
Exactly. And Dutch was a much better leader than Gorman ever was.
Dutch was the balls. He was made of win.
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He would man roar the aliens into submission.
If they'd replaced Wolf with Arnie, I doubt as many Alien fans would complain about AvPR.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 12, 2008, 09:48:03 PM
If they'd replaced Wolf with Arnie, I doubt as many Alien fans would complain about AvPR.
When you think about it, that'd be one mad action flick. Commando feat Aliens.
"Loose some steam, Chet."
Chet, remember when I said I'd kill you last?
I LIED.
^ Forgot that one. That's the best ever.
...Piss, you know I have to write this now, right?
You could move onto taglines....
Actually there's not much to work with.
'Somewhere... somehow... someone's going to pay!'
Meh.
What did you do with Sully?
I let him go ;D
*chet's tail is through arnie's chest and arnie's combat knife is through chet's head,
the nuke drops,
Arnie looks up to chet and says...
"i'll be back"
boom
Lol
Wolf is the best and the preds don't know there was a predalien otherwise they would have sent more preds.
Quote from: Gill Predator on Feb 25, 2009, 06:09:16 PM
Wolf is the best and the preds don't know there was a predalien otherwise they would have sent more preds.
Agree, If Wolf was the BEST, they would indeed need to send more preds...
many, many more.
He's the Jar Jar Binks of Predators...