Another 4chan user claims to have recently seen a post-reshoot cut of the film. (http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/77400017)
EDIT: The original thread is dead, here is an archive link. (http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77400017)
I reckon this guy is either confused or he's a flat out liar :laugh:
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 19, 2016, 05:18:04 AM
Another 4chan user claims to have recently seen a post-reshoot cut of the film. (http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/77400017)
Just a warning that this guy very much sounds legit and there's some massive spoilers in there!!!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 07:19:26 AM
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 19, 2016, 05:18:04 AM
Another 4chan user claims to have recently seen a post-reshoot cut of the film. (http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/77400017)
Just a warning that this guy very much sounds legit and there's some massive spoilers in there!!!
Thanks for the heads up, I'll be staying well clear.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 07:19:26 AM
Just a warning that this guy very much sounds legit and there's some massive spoilers in there!!!
OMG mustn't click the link. It's so hard not too though lol
Was the plot of Prometheus leaked this way too? I mean months before the film's release?
At this rate we'll know the entire film before it's even out.
Fu** , i read much of it..
Now i feel sad..... It was like a drug.
That public screening was a bad idea, everything it is always leaked.
I might have been able to resist reading if I wasn't so hyped up for the trailer.
I think everyone is getting a little out of sorts about the trailer. Let's take it down a notch. Yes, we're all excited and impatient about it but it's not some sort of privilege. It'll be here when it's here.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 09:13:01 AM
I think everyone is getting a little out of sorts about the trailer. Let's take it down a notch. Yes, we're all excited and impatient about it but it's not some sort of privilege. It'll be here when it's here.
This!
Yes, i would like to go on record that i apologize for that thread i created earlier, and did it out of frustration at no trailer... Won't happen again. :(
Appreciated.
Its just 20th Century Fox's revenge for all the crap we've said about how they do things and ruins what could be great films lol
Revenge is a dish best served.......in not that much of a hurry lol
It's nothing personal. It's not an agenda against anyone. It's not about revenge. This is simply about 20th Century Fox waiting for the perfect time to release a teaser for one of their tentpole films next year. That is all.
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Dec 19, 2016, 12:01:45 PM
It's nothing personal. It's not an agenda against anyone. It's not about revenge. This is simply about 20th Century Fox waiting for the perfect time to release a teaser for one of their tentpole films next year. That is all.
You do realise i was joking right?
Quote from: Stolen on Dec 18, 2016, 11:48:24 PM
What else can I say:
The trailer reveals especially Katherine Waterston, great actress, completely badass, the new Ripley (...).
The first clip introduces the crew, the environment and the objectives of the mission. You have understood, it's a quiet sequence, from the beginning of film. Mc Bride is serious in this.
The second clip is completely ALIEN. Gore, full of blood (tons of liters), and it's very intense, very rhythmic.
Got a link for this?
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 19, 2016, 12:04:10 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Dec 19, 2016, 12:01:45 PM
It's nothing personal. It's not an agenda against anyone. It's not about revenge. This is simply about 20th Century Fox waiting for the perfect time to release a teaser for one of their tentpole films next year. That is all.
You do realise i was joking right?
:laugh: of course, but some of the folks are getting pretty strung up about this :laugh:
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 19, 2016, 11:32:57 AM
Its just 20th Century Fox's revenge for all the crap we've said about how they do things and ruins what could be great films lol
Revenge is a dish best served.......in not that much of a hurry lol
You gotta be kidding me right?
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Dec 19, 2016, 12:11:41 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 19, 2016, 12:04:10 PM
Quote from: BonesawT101 on Dec 19, 2016, 12:01:45 PM
It's nothing personal. It's not an agenda against anyone. It's not about revenge. This is simply about 20th Century Fox waiting for the perfect time to release a teaser for one of their tentpole films next year. That is all.
You do realise i was joking right?
:laugh: of course, but some of the folks are getting pretty strung up about this :laugh:
True, thats one of the many problems with the internet, we want it now. Oh for the days were a teaser trailer would just drop on TV or at the Cinema and we werent expecting the awesomeness
Hick, if you read the leaked info, what do you think about the plot, specially Shaw.
Quote from: John Doe on Dec 19, 2016, 12:21:05 PM
Hick, if you read the leaked info, what do you think about the plot, specially Shaw.
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Sounds perfectly fine by me. Really not a fan of her character.
I've read it all and it seems more questions will be raised than answers are given. The 3rd prequel will have a lot of explaining to do. When everything gets done in the end it will be a fine trilogy I believe
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 07:19:26 AM
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 19, 2016, 05:18:04 AM
Another 4chan user claims to have recently seen a post-reshoot cut of the film. (http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/77400017)
Just a warning that this guy very much sounds legit and there's some massive spoilers in there!!!
Heed this warning. It appears that this user has indeed seen the most recent cut of the film or is at least privy to information from someone who has. He spoils pretty much everything.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 12:31:38 PM
Quote from: John Doe on Dec 19, 2016, 12:21:05 PM
Hick, if you read the leaked info, what do you think about the plot, specially Shaw.
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Sounds perfectly fine by me. Really not a fan of her character.
J
Ahhh, ok. Im a little
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sad for her. I thought she could be the final Hero. And i dont like not have David in the next.[/spoilers]
Quote from: John Doe on Dec 19, 2016, 01:13:20 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 12:31:38 PM
Quote from: John Doe on Dec 19, 2016, 12:21:05 PM
Hick, if you read the leaked info, what do you think about the plot, specially Shaw.
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Sounds perfectly fine by me. Really not a fan of her character.
J
Ahhh, ok. Im a little Spoiler
sad for her. I thought she could be the final Hero. And i dont like not have David in the next.[/spoilers]
He's mistaken about that. He corrects himself later on. I really wish he hadn't have spoken about that. urgh.
Glad i haven't read any of it, can't believe the whole plots been leaked before the first trailer.
Quote from: nanison on Dec 19, 2016, 12:59:32 PM
I've read it all and it seems more questions will be raised than answers are given. The 3rd prequel will have a lot of explaining to do. When everything gets done in the end it will be a fine trilogy I believe
Ok, this is what I don't get. I remember hearing that Prometheus was a pre-quelish type thing, but that it was to be followed up on by 2 actual real pre-quels to make it a trilogy. But now there is talk that Covenant is the second installment in the trilogy. Anybody have any idea where the truth lies?
BTW, what is this story spoiler link that everyone is talking about? I want to spoil it for myself. There is no way I can wait. I mean I know I'm going to read the novel first anyway, so whatever..
Quote from: John Doe on Dec 19, 2016, 12:21:05 PM
Ahhh, ok. Im a little Spoiler
sad for her. I thought she could be the final Hero. And i dont like not have David in the next.[/spoilers]
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The fact that walter turns out to be bad and David dies off screen make me think that Walter in the end is David,and Walter is dead
Quote from: Lizardboy on Dec 19, 2016, 01:51:49 PM
Quote from: John Doe on Dec 19, 2016, 12:21:05 PM
Ahhh, ok. Im a little Spoiler
sad for her. I thought she could be the final Hero. And i dont like not have David in the next.[/spoilers]
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The fact that walter turns out to be bad and David dies off screen make me think that Walter in the end is David,and Walter is dead
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It's obvious !!! I thought the same thing.
David during the fight had to transfer his conscience on walter. David is the main antagonist of this new saga.
When I read the spoilers, I tell myself that David is the greatest psychopath in the Alien universe.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: John Doe on Dec 19, 2016, 01:13:20 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 12:31:38 PM
Quote from: John Doe on Dec 19, 2016, 12:21:05 PM
Hick, if you read the leaked info, what do you think about the plot, specially Shaw.
Spoiler
Sounds perfectly fine by me. Really not a fan of her character.
J
Ahhh, ok. Im a little Spoiler
sad for her. I thought she could be the final Hero. And i dont like not have David in the next.[/spoilers]
He's mistaken about that. He corrects himself later on. I really wish he hadn't have spoken about that. urgh.
Wow... I am so glad that I decided not to read this at all..
Quote from: El Diablo on Dec 19, 2016, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 07:19:26 AM
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 19, 2016, 05:18:04 AM
Another 4chan user claims to have recently seen a post-reshoot cut of the film. (http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/77400017)
Just a warning that this guy very much sounds legit and there's some massive spoilers in there!!!
Heed this warning. It appears that this user has indeed seen the most recent cut of the film or is at least privy to information from someone who has. He spoils pretty much everything.
Thanks for the heads up. I can't believe the plot of the film has been leaked already! I am really nervous to run into any spoilers concerning this film as I want to go into it as blind as possible. However, it seems that may be harder said than done. How did this person see the film?
This all sounds good, bring it! 8)
Yep, i recomend not to read...
This is insane.
Quote from: John Doe on Dec 19, 2016, 02:04:18 PM
Yep, i recomend not to read...
This is insane.
Insane in the good way ?
Quote from: Stolen on Dec 19, 2016, 02:35:33 PM
Quote from: John Doe on Dec 19, 2016, 02:04:18 PM
Yep, i recomend not to read...
This is insane.
Insane in the good way ?
Asking the important questions.
Anyone know what the film was before reshoots?? Would be interesting to see what was changed.
QuoteThanks for the heads up. I can't believe the plot of the film has been leaked already! I am really nervous to run into any spoilers concerning this film as I want to go into it as blind as possible. However, it seems that may be harder said than done. How did this person see the film?
The film was test screened on the 20th Century Fox lot over the last few months. He was an audience member invited to preview the early edit in order to provide feedback. These screenings are very common and are usually done as part of market research, recruiting and testing across certain demographics.
Quote from: El Diablo on Dec 19, 2016, 02:54:23 PM
QuoteThanks for the heads up. I can't believe the plot of the film has been leaked already! I am really nervous to run into any spoilers concerning this film as I want to go into it as blind as possible. However, it seems that may be harder said than done. How did this person see the film?
The film was test screened on the 20th Century Fox lot over the last few months. He was an audience member invited to preview the early edit in order to provide feedback. These screenings are very common and are usually done as part of market research, recruiting and testing across certain demographics.
Ah, so this was a test screening. I see. Thank you for the clarification.
I wonder if Fox is aware of the leak. If so, I am not seeing any damage control being performed.
Anyway, this is sad. But, if the movie is any good, then it doesn't change anything.
Quote from: El Diablo on Dec 19, 2016, 02:54:23 PM
QuoteThanks for the heads up. I can't believe the plot of the film has been leaked already! I am really nervous to run into any spoilers concerning this film as I want to go into it as blind as possible. However, it seems that may be harder said than done. How did this person see the film?
The film was test screened on the 20th Century Fox lot over the last few months. He was an audience member invited to preview the early edit in order to provide feedback. These screenings are very common and are usually done as part of market research, recruiting and testing across certain demographics.
A recent test screening, or the one before reshoots??
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It sounds like a shit Dark Horse Comic. Hopefully it plays better on screen but my excitement has fallen quite a bit.
Thanks everybody for using those spoiler tags!
In light of all that has been revealed, should we still be excited for this film OR did the long-development process result in a not-so-spectacular idea?
Quote from: lv_226 on Dec 19, 2016, 06:07:37 PM
In light of all that has been revealed, should we still be excited for this film OR did the long-development process result in a not-so-spectacular idea?
For me it has gotten me more excited!! And we need to reserve judgment till we see film. ;)
;D
You don't regret having read the spoilers?
Quote from: Stolen on Dec 19, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
;D
You don't regret having read the spoilers?
Nope assuming they are legit... If they were than Fox would take down.. Right!
Quote from: Stolen on Dec 19, 2016, 07:12:31 PM
;D
You don't regret having read the spoilers?
I regret it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 07:19:26 AM
Just a warning that this guy very much sounds legit and there's some massive spoilers in there!!!
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Can you confirm that the Engineer massacre scene described is indeed correct?
I don't really regret having read it. I'll forget about most of it before May. Plus it doesn't really matter anyway I don't have an image of the scenes in my head it's like reading the script, the actors are still very curious how it ends up in the film. I
don't know who the characters are (their name), I don't know what the neomorphs look like, I can't imagine how the new bursting looks etc
I couldn't resist. The Force wasn't strong with me this time. I failed.
I had to consider few things:
1. It's just opinion of one person and as we know: opinions are like arsehole's everyone has one ;)
2. It wasn't the final cut.
3. CGI wasn't obviously fully finished.
Read the 4chan spoilers.
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The Engineer massacre scene sounds great, even though it stinks we won't be seeing many living ones beyond that.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 19, 2016, 11:12:43 PM
Read the 4chan spoilers. Spoiler
The Engineer massacre scene sounds great, even though it stinks we won't be seeing many living ones beyond that.
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I expected that the black goo mutated all the engineers but they get mummified,that's weird :-\
I'm surprised that
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The Engineers don't have any defenses.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 12:44:30 AM
I'm surprised that Spoiler
The Engineers don't have any defenses.
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Maybe engineers are survivors. They are survivors of a former war that ravaged their peoples. The explanations are very numerous.
thank you ALL for using the SPOILER tags!!! ive never seen a web forum community THIS respectful of others :D
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There should be at least one Engineer left since this movie doesn't connect with Alien yet
Maybe there should be a spoiler discussion thread?
Quote from: DorkiDori on Dec 20, 2016, 01:01:34 AM
thank you ALL for using the SPOILER tags!!! ive never seen a web forum community THIS respectful of others :D
Truly, this is one of the most courteous boards I've ever seen. Thanks, everyone.
That said, I did read all of the spoilers and I'm excited for the movie. It was not at all what I expected, but this gives me time to adjust my expectations between now and May.
Hmm. I'm glad I'm largely ignorant to the spoilers then. I hope I can maintain resistance until May.
Protozoid I read your posts on IMDb and you are always so substantive. Wish you would post HERE more!
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 19, 2016, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 07:19:26 AM
Just a warning that this guy very much sounds legit and there's some massive spoilers in there!!!
Spoiler
Can you confirm that the Engineer massacre scene described is indeed correct?
Aside from his confusion over the ending which he later corrected, it all sounded legitimate to me, 8th.
And I've split this off into a new topic.
Quote from: Protozoid on Dec 20, 2016, 04:43:04 AM
Quote from: DorkiDori on Dec 20, 2016, 01:01:34 AM
thank you ALL for using the SPOILER tags!!! ive never seen a web forum community THIS respectful of others :D
Truly, this is one of the most courteous boards I've ever seen. Thanks, everyone.
I'm glad you feel that way. We work really hard to try and keep this place as welcoming an environment as we can. :)
How much does the "4chan" stuff reveal anyway? I'm going in as cold as I can but is there anything particularly exciting/interesting (don't spoil)? Some peeps said the plot is "insane".
The fella pretty much gives the entire film away. I'd avoid if you're wanting to go in cold.
If I'd seen a test screening I wouldn't leak anything.
Not quite sure how the latest screen shot marries up to what the 4chan guy was claiming?
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It's apparently the sequence in which they're attacked by the Neomorphs.
Do you think FOX or Ridley are aware that this leak has surfaced?
Hick you have got to be kidding... the stuff the guy says happens is the crap most of us made up here over the past few months...
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Shaw does indeed bring Death to the Engineers?
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Only dead Engineers?
I mean wtf, man, tell me that ain't so.
Quote from: Hard-R on Dec 20, 2016, 09:53:08 AM
Do you think FOX or Ridley are aware that this leak has surfaced?
Fox knows.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 20, 2016, 09:55:32 AM
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Shaw does indeed bring Death to the Engineers?
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Not Shaw, David.
QuoteSpoiler
Only dead Engineers?
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Well, they're alive at one point.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks
Quote from: whiterabbit
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Shaw does indeed bring Death to the Engineers?
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Not Shaw, David.
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David wanted to go home; it was Shaw that wanted to go to Paradise. Hence she brought Death(David) with a capital D with her.
In that regards, yeah.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 20, 2016, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks
Quote from: whiterabbit
Spoiler
Shaw does indeed bring Death to the Engineers?
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Not Shaw, David.
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David wanted to go home; it was Shaw that wanted to go to Paradise. Hence she brought Death(David) with a capital D with her.
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And for that she is now dead, tragic irony or poetic justice...you tell me. :)
Can't believe I read the spoilers, in retrospect. :laugh:
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People are probably not going to like that cliffhanger ending, but it could set up a cool sequel.
I was also hoping we'd see more of the Egineeers.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 11:16:47 AM
Can't believe I read the spoilers, in retrospect. :laugh:
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People are probably not going to like that cliffhanger ending, but it could set up a cool sequel.
I was also hoping we'd see more of the Egineeers.
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We still might, and will we get an Alien Queen at some point.
Based on the spoilers, what do you all think the sequel novel by ADF will do with the story?
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Do you think it will follow on with David, or be like Fire and Stone and follow what happens on Paradise after the protagonists all leave?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 11:24:51 AM
Based on the spoilers, what do you all think the sequel novel by ADF will do with the story?
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Do you think it will follow on with David, or be like Fire and Stone and follow what happens on Paradise after the protagonists all leave?
Perhaps
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Walter is still functioning on the planet and it's about him?
Walter is David and David is Walter.
Thankfully I havent read the spoilers and i wont. Luckily i came in halfway through the original thread before its was split and at that point everyone was just going is it true.
I'm going in clean for once mwahahahaha
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 20, 2016, 11:57:46 AM
Thankfully I havent read the spoilers and i wont. Luckily i came in halfway through the original thread before its was split and at that point everyone was just going is it true.
I'm going in clean for once mwahahahaha
You'll cave eventually. ;)
Quote from: Himmelblau on Dec 20, 2016, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 20, 2016, 11:57:46 AM
Thankfully I havent read the spoilers and i wont. Luckily i came in halfway through the original thread before its was split and at that point everyone was just going is it true.
I'm going in clean for once mwahahahaha
You'll cave eventually. ;)
I'll hold out for as long as i can. Probably for 17 days lol
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 10:20:17 AM
Quote from: Hard-R on Dec 20, 2016, 09:53:08 AM
Do you think FOX or Ridley are aware that this leak has surfaced?
Fox knows.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 20, 2016, 09:55:32 AM
Spoiler
Shaw does indeed bring Death to the Engineers?
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Not Shaw, David.
QuoteSpoiler
Only dead Engineers?
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Well, they're alive at one point.
So FOX knows? How do you know they know? Did anything get deleted?
Quote from: Hard-R on Dec 20, 2016, 09:53:08 AM
Do you think FOX or Ridley are aware that this leak has surfaced?
I don't thin they really care to be honest. 99% people who will see this movie don't even read that. It's only for Alien maniacs.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 11:16:47 AM
Can't believe I read the spoilers, in retrospect. :laugh:
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People are probably not going to like that cliffhanger ending, but it could set up a cool sequel.
I was also hoping we'd see more of the Egineeers.
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You will see them for few seconds/minutes :) My advice: don't hope to see something you expect to see, you will get disappointed.
Regarding the spoiler stuff I don't understand one thing:
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Why movie is called Covenant? I know that ship is called like that but that's not enough. There must be some hidden meaning to it like with Prometheus.
I'm not looking at any spoilers, but did the person that saw the film enjoy it?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 20, 2016, 12:30:11 PM
I'm not looking at any spoilers, but did the person that saw the film enjoy it?
From what I have read he/she enjoyed it.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 20, 2016, 12:30:11 PM
I'm not looking at any spoilers, but did the person that saw the film enjoy it?
They mentioned some pacing issues, like things moving too fast in places, but that seems to have been their only real complaint.
Thanks guys.
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Also, I did happen to hear from a video on Youtube that they're are back bursters. Is this true?
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Yeah, there seems to be backbursters. The 4chan user said their scene is really graphic.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 20, 2016, 12:47:28 PM
Thanks guys.
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Also, I did happen to hear from a video on Youtube that they're are back bursters. Is this true?
Yeah man, we broke the news last month.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/10/24/neomorphs-alien-covenants-new-aliens/
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 20, 2016, 12:47:28 PM
Thanks guys.
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Also, I did happen to hear from a video on Youtube that they're are back bursters. Is this true?
Yeah man, we broke the news last month.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/10/24/neomorphs-alien-covenants-new-aliens/
Oh, I didn't know that. I only just started coming back to the site recently after being gone for a couple of years. I haven't been following Covenant until I saw the site had posted the poster which got me intrigued.
Anyway, I'm curious to see how that will play out in the movie.
First off, welcome back! I'd suggest having a flick through the Covenant news archive. We dropped quite a few firsts this year: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/category/alien-covenant/
One thing that worries me based on the leaks:
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I hope the final film is a bit more clear about what's going on with the Neomorphs and the "Porto alien" that comes into play on the last act. It seems really vague, with the egg coming from nowhere or just sort of hand waved with "David is doing a lot of experiments. It could just be a lack of clarity in how the spoilers are written, though.
Quote from: Himmelblau on Dec 20, 2016, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 20, 2016, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks
Quote from: whiterabbit
Spoiler
Shaw does indeed bring Death to the Engineers?
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Not Shaw, David.
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David wanted to go home; it was Shaw that wanted to go to Paradise. Hence she brought Death(David) with a capital D with her.
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And for that she is now dead, tragic irony or poetic justice...you tell me. :)
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The engineers got the worst part of that deal.
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Worse yet, how the hell would the engineers get caught off guard so easily... this is star wars level neglect. Of course it sets up for one pissed of God in the sequel. Also that ending... lol at this rate the covenant crew is going to be the eggs under the derelict. Which is why it is hard to believe that these spoilers are true.
Just read it, and the guy who says he saw it, answers everything in ah well this and that and ah this and that, not really going into details of anything, he maybe have seen parts of it but not the whole movie, and is making things up.
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The ending is starting to bother me. I'm starting to hope the leaks aren't totally true.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 12:57:35 PM
One thing that worries me based on the leaks:
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I hope the final film is a bit more clear about what's going on with the Neomorphs and the "Porto alien" that comes into play on the last act. It seems really vague, with the egg coming from nowhere or just sort of hand waved with "David is doing a lot of experiments. It could just be a lack of clarity in how the spoilers are written, though.
I agree.
All of these spoilers seem to be by people who are a) pretending they are unfamiliar with series and don't care that much so they can't remember clearly, or b) people withholding information so they feel better about leaking spoilers ("if I'm vague then I haven't REALLY spoiled anything"), or c) the leakers are all lying since the dots don't connect coherently.
We'll see!
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 20, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
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Worse yet, how the hell would the engineers get caught off guard so easily... this is star wars level neglect. Of course it sets up for one pissed of God in the sequel. Also that ending... lol at this rate the covenant crew is going to be the eggs under the derelict. Which is why it is hard to believe that these spoilers are true.
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Well we don't know the complete story yet. All we've seen of this particular community from the set pictures looks quite low-tech. And David comes rocking up in one of their own ships.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 12:57:35 PM
One thing that worries me based on the leaks:
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I hope the final film is a bit more clear about what's going on with the Neomorphs and the "Porto alien" that comes into play on the last act. It seems really vague, with the egg coming from nowhere or just sort of hand waved with "David is doing a lot of experiments. It could just be a lack of clarity in how the spoilers are written, though.
I think that's a lack of clarity from the spoilers tbh.
This guy seems completely legit which is why I want people to be careful going into this. Details he's provided match with what I know about the film that hasn't been made public before these leaks. Whether he understood everything that's gone off... We've already seen he didn't quite get the ending.
For example I'm not sure where he's got the notion of Alien's being
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proto-Aliens.
As I understand it, that isn't suggested in the narrative at all.
I won't click the spoiler link. But for people who have read the spoilers - is it something that would please fans or, rather just "neutral - no comment" might be a more appropriate comment without putting a downer on things?
I guess it's just a neutral thing. It depends on where they're going with it. I had 2 things I really didn't want to happen in this film and one of them is -
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that David is responsible for the "traditional" Aliens in this film.
But there's still wiggle room for them to escape that and
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make it so that the black goo is some sort of template that creates Alien-like creatures and the originals have existed for a long time.
It sounds to me like this is basically a redo of Prometheus in the sense that there seems to be a lot of setup going off in here that relates more directly into the Alien than Prometheus did and it's going to depend on where they go with it.
Quote from: motherfather on Dec 20, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
I won't click the spoiler link. But for people who have read the spoilers - is it something that would please fans or, rather just "neutral - no comment" might be a more appropriate comment without putting a downer on things?
If you believe what the guys says, then its all just a mash up of what we all seen before in other movies and in alien movies.
I dont believe that Ridley will go down this simple road with Covenant after Prometheus.
And there is a still out here on the forum with the engineer behind the chair and the body in front of it, and he says nothing about that, so my guess he is just mumbling of what he thinks it will be, and after all its 4chan.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
I guess it's just a neutral thing. It depends on where they're going with it. I had 2 things I really didn't want to happen in this film and one of them is - Spoiler
that David is responsible for the "traditional" Aliens in this film.
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I don't have problems with that. David's got God complex and he wants to create. It's also ironic that robot made by humans creates Xenomorph.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
But there's still wiggle room for them to escape that and Spoiler
make it so that the black goo is some sort of template that creates Alien-like creatures and the originals have existed for a long time.
True.
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I've no issue with it if it turns out to be some sort of ancient template and that the Alien's are ancient weapons.
Something like Wayne's theory on the matter in the podcast. I think that was spot-on.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
I guess it's just a neutral thing. It depends on where they're going with it. I had 2 things I really didn't want to happen in this film and one of them is - Spoiler
that David is responsible for the "traditional" Aliens in this film.
But there's still wiggle room for them to escape that and Spoiler
make it so that the black goo is some sort of template that creates Alien-like creatures and the originals have existed for a long time.
It sounds to me like this is basically a redo of Prometheus in the sense that there seems to be a lot of setup going off in here that relates more directly into the Alien than Prometheus did and it's going to depend on where they go with it.
Spoiler
Its not possible for David to be responsible for the traditional xeno if we are to believe in this guy, the guys says David has his little room underneath the citadel, to me the room we saw in the picture with the facehugger on the table and the neomorph statue isnt in the movie but was just a prop mash up of what was in the movie, he is saying its in the movie and its his little room, so if that is true then it will mean the facehugger exists before David because he captures it, so something should have made that facehugger no matter what.
And Shaw getting into cryo and trusting David?? having the tall grass (Jurassic Park The Lost World) having David and the neomorphs having some kind of mutual respect (Jurassic World) having the ending the woman facing the xeno in a spaceship, again?? nahhh this guy is playing us he is our David :D
Quote from: Infected on Dec 20, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
I guess it's just a neutral thing. It depends on where they're going with it. I had 2 things I really didn't want to happen in this film and one of them is - Spoiler
that David is responsible for the "traditional" Aliens in this film.
But there's still wiggle room for them to escape that and Spoiler
make it so that the black goo is some sort of template that creates Alien-like creatures and the originals have existed for a long time.
It sounds to me like this is basically a redo of Prometheus in the sense that there seems to be a lot of setup going off in here that relates more directly into the Alien than Prometheus did and it's going to depend on where they go with it.
Spoiler
Its not possible for David to be responsible for the traditional xeno if we are to believe in this guy, the guys says David has his little room underneath the citadel, to me the room we saw in the picture with the facehugger on the table and the neomorph statue isnt in the movie but was just a prop mash up of what was in the movie, he is saying its in the movie and its his little room, so if that is true then it will mean the facehugger exists before David because he captures it, so something should have made that facehugger no matter what.
And Shaw getting into cryo and trusting David?? having the tall grass (Jurassic Park The Lost World) having David and the neomorphs having some kind of mutual respect (Jurassic World) having the ending the woman facing the xeno in a spaceship, again?? nahhh this guy is playing us he is our David :D
You're going to be in for a massive shock when you see the film, Infected. I'm certain this guy is legitimate. As I said earlier, details he's provided match up with details I know about the film that haven't been said in the public before now. So to everyone who hasn't already - read the spoilers at your own risk.
In regards to your spoiler -
Spoiler
Remember that the facehugger we saw doesn't look like the normal facehugger. Remember the different variations of the eggs. They weren't all the same.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:32:52 PM
In regards to your spoiler -
Spoiler
Remember that the facehugger we saw doesn't look like the normal facehugger. Remember the different variations of the eggs. They weren't all the same.
Spoiler
David spent 10 years on Paradise and inside Engineer Citadel. I think he might have found some kind of knowledge/data regarding creation of Alien species. Then he started experimenting on his own. In some way he (re)creates what has been created before.
Exactly my hopes.
Spoiler
That he isn't the one who makes it, that he recreates someone else's work.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:43:53 PM
Exactly my hopes.
Spoiler
That he isn't the one who makes it, that he recreates someone else's work.
You're right. Especially when you look at the mural in
Prometheus.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:32:52 PM
Quote from: Infected on Dec 20, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
I guess it's just a neutral thing. It depends on where they're going with it. I had 2 things I really didn't want to happen in this film and one of them is - Spoiler
that David is responsible for the "traditional" Aliens in this film.
But there's still wiggle room for them to escape that and Spoiler
make it so that the black goo is some sort of template that creates Alien-like creatures and the originals have existed for a long time.
It sounds to me like this is basically a redo of Prometheus in the sense that there seems to be a lot of setup going off in here that relates more directly into the Alien than Prometheus did and it's going to depend on where they go with it.
Spoiler
Its not possible for David to be responsible for the traditional xeno if we are to believe in this guy, the guys says David has his little room underneath the citadel, to me the room we saw in the picture with the facehugger on the table and the neomorph statue isnt in the movie but was just a prop mash up of what was in the movie, he is saying its in the movie and its his little room, so if that is true then it will mean the facehugger exists before David because he captures it, so something should have made that facehugger no matter what.
And Shaw getting into cryo and trusting David?? having the tall grass (Jurassic Park The Lost World) having David and the neomorphs having some kind of mutual respect (Jurassic World) having the ending the woman facing the xeno in a spaceship, again?? nahhh this guy is playing us he is our David :D
You're going to be in for a massive shock when you see the film, Infected. I'm certain this guy is legitimate. As I said earlier, details he's provided match up with details I know about the film that haven't been said in the public before now. So to everyone who hasn't already - read the spoilers are your own risk.
In regards to your spoiler -
Spoiler
Remember that the facehugger we saw doesn't look like the normal facehugger. Remember the different variations of the eggs. They weren't all the same.
Well im not fully shocked and still looking forward to this movie, if its all true i hope for Ridley he wont have a heartattack,
by the hate thats coming :D
Hicks
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¿Why the engineers get mummified with the black goo and no muted like fifield?
I'll wait to see it to believe it, not that I know any spoilers lol, discipline peeps, discipline. 8)
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:43:53 PM
Exactly my hopes.
Spoiler
That he isn't the one who makes it, that he recreates someone else's work.
You're right. Especially when you look at the mural in Prometheus.
On the other hand -
Spoiler
For sure David is not responsible of Alien creation but ... he might be responsible for creating Xenomorphs.
I read them, and I'm ok with this movie if that's the way it plays out. There are things I love about all the Alien (not AVP) movies (Prometheus included) and things that I don't necessarily care for. I'm just excited to have this awesome universe on the big screen again, to find out more about David, and to see what happens to the next group of folks that "home in on a beacon."
I'll be patiently waiting for that trailer!
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 02:41:37 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:43:53 PM
Exactly my hopes.
Spoiler
That he isn't the one who makes it, that he recreates someone else's work.
You're right. Especially when you look at the mural in Prometheus.
On the other hand -
Spoiler
For sure David is not responsible of Alien creation but ... he might be responsible for creating Xenomorphs.
That is precisely what I do not want. I don't want -
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David to be responsible for creating the Aliens as we know them. I don't want the Derelict being retconned into crashing recently.
I'd like Alien to retain some of that ancient wonder feeling.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 03:12:53 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 02:41:37 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:43:53 PM
Exactly my hopes.
Spoiler
That he isn't the one who makes it, that he recreates someone else's work.
You're right. Especially when you look at the mural in Prometheus.
On the other hand -
Spoiler
For sure David is not responsible of Alien creation but ... he might be responsible for creating Xenomorphs.
That is precisely what I do not want. I don't want -
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David to be responsible for creating the Aliens as we know them. I don't want the Derelict being retconned into crashing recently.
I'd like Alien to retain some of that ancient wonder feeling.
This.^ 8)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 08:33:28 AM
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 07:19:26 AM
Just a warning that this guy very much sounds legit and there's some massive spoilers in there!!!
Spoiler
Can you confirm that the Engineer massacre scene described is indeed correct?
Aside from his confusion over the ending which he later corrected, it all sounded legitimate to me, 8th.
Well, most of it is pretty much what I expected except for the story behind the massacre, there were no big surprises really. And still lots of unanswered questions. The film could work, we'll just have to wait and see how it was handled and how everything gels together.
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Sounds like a Prometheus² with plot hole everywhere and a story with no real beginning nor a clear end. I also hates the idea of the crew staying on the planet/ruins. I won't even talk about David, the whole thing just doesn't sounds right and it is so random.
The film like Prometheus sounds very gory / action like orientated (even if prometheus failed at both) than alien but very not intense and horror like. Too much violence on screen and too little informations for the spectator. I hope it's wrong.
I know for sure I won't be tricked to buy a ticket to the world premiere this time :P
I hated the revisiting of the SJ but I hate even more that David exterminates them. It feels uninspired. In won't even go through the DNA / experiment thing that the two last films of the Quadrilogy developed.
I don't know why the heck they can't keep things minimalistic and have to go through pseudo epic ark religious story / humanity meaning and origin / deep science attempt / blockbuster shiny visuals & VFX top of the art technology. <- The mixture is just wrong there and try to make us believe it is very complex when everything is very empty.
Well at least it sounds Fassbender has great material to work with in regards to his characters
Quote from: harlequinade on Dec 20, 2016, 06:19:09 PM
Well at least it sounds Fassbender has great material to work with in regards to his characters
Fassbender is gonna steal the show. It's his movie.
I think he's going to end up being the star character throughout these prequels.
I wonder why no one has bothered to interview Noomi yet?? I wonder if she was okay with her
Spoiler
character dying
and if so why did she agree to??
Well the first movie was focused on Engineer who created Human, Human created Android, Android created...?
That wouldn't make sense to see the apex of the galaxy gets his best moment and find a purpose in the scheme.
I'm just afraid I really don't care much.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 03:12:53 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 02:41:37 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:43:53 PM
Exactly my hopes.
Spoiler
That he isn't the one who makes it, that he recreates someone else's work.
You're right. Especially when you look at the mural in Prometheus.
On the other hand -
Spoiler
For sure David is not responsible of Alien creation but ... he might be responsible for creating Xenomorphs.
That is precisely what I do not want. I don't want -
Spoiler
David to be responsible for creating the Aliens as we know them. I don't want the Derelict being retconned into crashing recently.
I'd like Alien to retain some of that ancient wonder feeling.
I have a feeling that
Spoiler
David's "experiments" amount to deliberately perpetuating the black goo's evolutionary cycle in the direction that it was originally intended to go by the Engineers. That is, he's not creating Xenos as much as trying to cultivate the "correct" result out of a massive environmental disaster.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 06:55:25 PM
I think he's going to end up being the star character throughout these prequels.
Plus -
Spoiler
Waterston and MrBride who, according to spoilers, will survive.
Quote from: Himmelblau on Dec 20, 2016, 07:03:01 PM
I wonder why no one has bothered to interview Noomi yet?? I wonder if she was okay with her Spoiler
character dying
We can only speculate. My suspicion has been for a long time that Fassbender was delaying the movie by making other commitments, until Scott settled on a script that pleased him. This new script pleased him, so he made time to film it. Unfortunately,
Spoiler
increasing David's role necessitates decreasing Shaw's. Given that David was the most popular character in Prometheus and Shaw was (arguably) the least popular, I can see how re-writing lead to a slow reduction of Shaw's role until nothing was left except an optional cameo. Rapace, being upset, did not initially agree to film this draft, but with Fassbender onboard, Fox gave them the green light. When they reached the ending of shooting, Rapace had to choose between filming a cameo or possibly being sued for failing to honor her contract. As a result, Rapace was not part of the initial announcement, but did end up filming a small role.
All speculation, but I think it fits the facts and what we know about the principle players. Fassbender is busy and Rapace isn't. He can dictate a lot about the script simply by choosing whether or not to schedule it in between X-Men films, a more important Fox contract.
Quote from: Himmelblau on Dec 20, 2016, 07:03:01 PM
I wonder why no one has bothered to interview Noomi yet?? I wonder if she was okay with her Spoiler
character dying
She had no choice. Contract.
Quote from: Himmelblau on Dec 20, 2016, 07:03:01 PM
I wonder why no one has bothered to interview Noomi yet?? I wonder if she was okay with her Spoiler
character dying
The rumor I heard was that she really didn't like working with Fassbender.
Quote from: Protozoid on Dec 20, 2016, 07:26:40 PM
Quote from: Himmelblau on Dec 20, 2016, 07:03:01 PM
I wonder why no one has bothered to interview Noomi yet?? I wonder if she was okay with her Spoiler
character dying
We can only speculate. My suspicion has been for a long time that Fassbender was delaying the movie by making other commitments, until Scott settled on a script that pleased him.
Scott was ready to make Prometheus prequel long before but decided to make Exodus and then The Martian. I cannot find backup for that but I clearly remember Scott saying something like that.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Dec 20, 2016, 04:59:49 AM
Protozoid I read your posts on IMDb and you are always so substantive. Wish you would post HERE more!
Wow, thank you. My posts aren't always substantive but I do try.
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 20, 2016, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: Himmelblau on Dec 20, 2016, 07:03:01 PM
I wonder why no one has bothered to interview Noomi yet?? I wonder if she was okay with her Spoiler
character dying
The rumor I heard was that she really didn't like working with Fassbender.
Seriously? I doubt that.
Important question: were Prometheus screening opinions better or worse that Covenant ones?
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 07:29:54 PM
Scott was ready to make Prometheus prequel long before but decided to make Exodus and then The Martian. I cannot find backup for that but I clearly remember Scott saying something like that.
Yes, but he also said there were a lot of drafts of Prometheus 2. I think he said 16, but I may be wrong - and that was a couple of years ago. When he made Prometheus, he knew what he wanted for Prometheus 2 and it sounds like work began on the script pretty quickly. It isn't clear why the script was re-written so many times, but we do know that the sequel changed radically during that time. During this time, Rapace's Hollywood career stalled and Fassbender received two Oscar nominations. Also, X-Men happened, another Fox property with Fassbender in the lead. Fassbender could be picky about what else he did in between X-Mens, and he kept passing over Prometheus 2. To me, this seems like Fassbender didn't want to spend a year on a movie where he wasn't going to be the lead. They kept rewriting the script partly to please him, and it worked, but in order to please him they effectively had to write Rapace out of the movie.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 01:43:53 PM
Exactly my hopes.
Spoiler
That he isn't the one who makes it, that he recreates someone else's work.
I would be OK with that.
Spoiler
Afterall, we've seen sketches of both the traditional xenos and the Deacon in David's lab, so it makes sense to think he's trying to recreate something the Engineers made a long time ago.
Shame to hear that Shaw has been reduced to practically a nothing part judging by the way people are talking.
Quote from: Protozoid on Dec 20, 2016, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 07:29:54 PM
Scott was ready to make Prometheus prequel long before but decided to make Exodus and then The Martian. I cannot find backup for that but I clearly remember Scott saying something like that.
Yes, but he also said there were a lot of drafts of Prometheus 2. I think he said 16, but I may be wrong - and that was a couple of years ago. When he made Prometheus, he knew what he wanted for Prometheus 2 and it sounds like work began on the script pretty quickly. It isn't clear why the script was re-written so many times, but we do know that the sequel changed radically during that time. During this time, Rapace's Hollywood career stalled and Fassbender received two Oscar nominations. Also, X-Men happened, another Fox property with Fassbender in the lead. Fassbender could be picky about what else he did in between X-Mens, and he kept passing over Prometheus 2. To me, this seems like Fassbender didn't want to spend a year on a movie where he wasn't going to be the lead. They kept rewriting the script partly to please him, and it worked, but in order to please him they effectively had to write Rapace out of the movie.
Please him? I don't know man. It's Scott movie not Fassbender's. Look, he played in X-Men: Days of Future Past and Apocalypse where he was the villain but he wasn't the main character (who was anyway?). Besides, I just assume, Noomi -
Spoiler
didn't mean to die in Prometheus 2. Something has changed and, as you mentioned, script has been re-written. Studio interference? Scott's idea?
Sounds big to me like
Spoiler
they're trying to dump a lot of what Prometheus set up, what with Shaw's reduced role and David killing off the Engineers so quickly.
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 07:31:27 PM
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 20, 2016, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: Himmelblau on Dec 20, 2016, 07:03:01 PM
I wonder why no one has bothered to interview Noomi yet?? I wonder if she was okay with her Spoiler
character dying
The rumor I heard was that she really didn't like working with Fassbender.
Seriously? I doubt that.
Specifically, the rumor i heard was that he was a bit touchy-feely on set. Very gossipy blind item stuff (http://crazydaysandnights.net/2016/02/blind-item-10-515.html), so I took it with a grain of salt.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 08:05:01 PM
Sounds big to me like Spoiler
they're trying to dump a lot of what Prometheus set up, what with Shaw's reduced role and David killing off the Engineers so quickly.
Spoiler
He didn't kill all Engineers. Just wiped out one society on Paradise. They will be back I hope.
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 08:05:01 PM
Sounds big to me like Spoiler
they're trying to dump a lot of what Prometheus set up, what with Shaw's reduced role and David killing off the Engineers so quickly.
Spoiler
He didn't kill all Engineers. Just wiped out one society on Paradise. They will be back I hope.
Yeah hopefully that's the case.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 08:05:01 PM
Sounds big to me like Spoiler
they're trying to dump a lot of what Prometheus set up, what with Shaw's reduced role and David killing off the Engineers so quickly.
Spoiler
He didn't kill all Engineers. Just wiped out one society on Paradise. They will be back I hope.
Yeah hopefully that's the case.
Spoiler
Yea there's simply no way there is just one planet full of engineers. Which is why this could help set up a sequel titled "the furious gods". :P Which could also directly relate to why the company wants the alien so badly. They know what is coming.
Truth is, we don't actually know what David's motives are.
Spoiler
He doesn't have desire or feelings. Of course that sentience rumor could be true but he clearly thinks it's irrelevant why the engineers choose to destroy humans. However he also wants to please them... which makes him killing them make no sense at all. Shaw probably feeds him some bullshit logic and that's the reason he goes all murder.
I was actually thinking
Spoiler
that since David was able to take out the Engineer homeworld so easily, maybe that indicates that the Engineers around these days are the remnants of their civilization.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 20, 2016, 08:22:41 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 08:05:01 PM
Sounds big to me like Spoiler
they're trying to dump a lot of what Prometheus set up, what with Shaw's reduced role and David killing off the Engineers so quickly.
Spoiler
He didn't kill all Engineers. Just wiped out one society on Paradise. They will be back I hope.
Yeah hopefully that's the case.
Spoiler
Yea there's simply no way there is just one planet full of engineers. Which is why this could help set up a sequel titled "the furious gods". :P Which could also directly relate to why the company wants the alien so badly. They know what is coming.
I would hate if the new story arc boiled down to
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Thanos\Doomsday is coming!!!
But if it was the plot of Blomkamp's Alien 5 it could be cool.
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 20, 2016, 08:25:27 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 20, 2016, 08:22:41 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 20, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 08:05:01 PM
Sounds big to me like Spoiler
they're trying to dump a lot of what Prometheus set up, what with Shaw's reduced role and David killing off the Engineers so quickly.
Spoiler
He didn't kill all Engineers. Just wiped out one society on Paradise. They will be back I hope.
Yeah hopefully that's the case.
Spoiler
Yea there's simply no way there is just one planet full of engineers. Which is why this could help set up a sequel titled "the furious gods". :P Which could also directly relate to why the company wants the alien so badly. They know what is coming.
I would hate if the new story arc boiled down to
Spoiler
Thanos\Doomsday is coming!!!
Nah... it'd be more like
Spoiler
knowing that they're other humans out there so vastly superior in technology, it creates a sort of desperation to catch up while keeping it all under wraps. The powerful weapons the engineers could possess is immeasurable. :P
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 08:25:18 PM
I was actually thinking Spoiler
that since David was able to take out the Engineer homeworld so easily, maybe that indicates that the Engineers around these days are the remnants of their civilization.
Spoiler
It could have also been the peaceful engineers.... meaning the ones left alive are the evil ones.
Spoiler
We're most certainly still going to get more engineers in the next sequel, to tie into Alien. (Either that, or show their superiors or Gods (which could be the space Jockey, who they mimic)(Assuming they get rid of the "ancient feeling" to the Space Jockey in Alien.)
Well it just dawned on me what David's...
Spoiler
motivation in straight up offing the engineers is. It's because he could.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 12:57:35 PM
One thing that worries me based on the leaks:
Spoiler
I hope the final film is a bit more clear about what's going on with the Neomorphs and the "Porto alien" that comes into play on the last act. It seems really vague, with the egg coming from nowhere or just sort of hand waved with "David is doing a lot of experiments. It could just be a lack of clarity in how the spoilers are written, though.
Based on his misunderstanding of the ending, and his answers to questions like the one he was asked regarding the 'religious and philosophical overtones,' I'm thinking he may not have grasped the larger weight of some of the images he saw. I could be wrong and I don't mean to sound pretentious. But for instance, what is described regarding the Engineers and David - is basically a reversal of what they were intending to do to us and a continuation of a theme. There experiments seemed most vague...
TBH there are some things I like about the leaked info, very much. Other things sound weak. I'm particularly concerned about there being scenes of Shaw and David together on board the Juggernaut because the image of some of the things described, sounds kinda ridiculous. I think the idea of the two of them piloting that shit and hanging out in it for months and going into Cryo on it, is ridiculous.
The ending sounds cool enough though - the flip/flopping, I mean. There was some things regarding bio-engineering that have me confused. I can't tell whether the author of this stuff, just didn't get what David was doing for much of the film, or if the film is just silly and unclear about it as well. As I said early on, I'm getting a Dr Moreau meets Apocalypse Now vibe from the plot.
The leaks described make the script sound a bit episodic, and I'm not sure I like the idea of that in an Alien film. I hate the idea of long flashbacks in any film. Inter-cut in time, is cool, but long flashbacks that are triggered by a character's expositional dialogue, are cheap plot devices and interrupt narrative pacing... and he mentioned pacing problems. :(
Basically from these leaks the first act sounds like a mess, the second act remains vague and somewhat unclear all around, and the third act sounds interesting.
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 20, 2016, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 20, 2016, 12:57:35 PM
One thing that worries me based on the leaks:
Spoiler
I hope the final film is a bit more clear about what's going on with the Neomorphs and the "Porto alien" that comes into play on the last act. It seems really vague, with the egg coming from nowhere or just sort of hand waved with "David is doing a lot of experiments. It could just be a lack of clarity in how the spoilers are written, though.
Based on his misunderstanding of the ending, and his answers to questions like the one he was asked regarding the 'religious and philosophical overtones,' I'm thinking he may not have grasped the larger weight of some of the images he saw. I could be wrong and I don't mean to sound pretentious. But for instance, what is described regarding the Engineers and David - is basically a reversal of what they were intending to do to us and a continuation of a theme. There experiments seemed most vague...
TBH there are some things I like about the leaked info, very much. Other things sound weak. I'm particularly concerned about there being scenes of Shaw and David together on board the Juggernaut because the image of some of the things described, sounds kinda ridiculous. I think the idea of the two of them piloting that shit and hanging out in it for months and going into Cryo on it, is ridiculous.
The ending sounds cool enough though - the flip/flopping, I mean. There was some things regarding bio-engineering that have me confused. I can't tell whether the author of this stuff, just didn't get what David was doing for much of the film, or if the film is just silly and unclear about it as well. As I said early on, I'm getting a Dr Moreau meets Apocalypse Now vibe from the plot.
The leaks described make the script sound a bit episodic, and I'm not sure I like the idea of that in an Alien film. I hate the idea of long flashbacks in any film. Inter-cut in time, is cool, but long flashbacks that are triggered by a character's expositional dialogue, are cheap plot devices and interrupt narrative pacing... and he mentioned pacing problems. :(
Basically from these leaks the first act sounds like a mess, the second act remains vague and somewhat unclear all around, and the third act sounds interesting.
That sounds very interesting.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 20, 2016, 12:55:25 PM
First off, welcome back! I'd suggest having a flick through the Covenant news archive. We dropped quite a few firsts this year: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/category/alien-covenant/
Thanks man. I'll check those out right now. :)
there is nothing there
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 20, 2016, 09:47:25 PMI'm getting a Dr Moreau meets Apocalypse Now vibe from the plot.
I think you've nailed it. Do you know about the links between Moreau and Apocalypse Now? Both source novels are based on the same historical person, and his descendant, Richard Stanley, once tried to direct Moreau. There is an excellent documentary about it. Getting back on topic, I think Covenant is continuing the Prometheus theme that creators and creations mirror each other,
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but instead of tracking who created us, it will change direction and track creations of ours: David and his experiments.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 08:33:36 AM
At this rate we'll know the entire film before it's even out.
Hmmmm...
I just read through the 4chan guy's posts again, because I wanted to know more about the 2nd act of the film, which never seems to come out of the dark, past his saying that it takes place in the Engineer Citadel. The thing is, APART from the stuff he mentions about David and Walter at the end -
there is literally nothing this guy mentions that doesn't reference something we've already seen in photos or referenced in other official news. The ONE QUESTION someone asked him, which doesn't relate to something we've already seen - his answer reveals his deceit. The question was about
HOW David manages to create the Proto-Xenos. But he says it wasn't clear to him. All he could clarify about it was that David created the FACEHUGGER in his lab (Which we've seen pictures of) and tricked a character into getting Facehugged (which someone else previously mentioned is Billy Cruddup's character). Again, he said he could not remember or obtain any clear answers from the film, regarding how David created the Xenos, past his lab having pictures of failed experiments, and David somehow creating the Facehugger... etc. But quess what? We have all seen and known about all of those details already. Does it make ANY sense that this film would leave something like that unclear? (And don't you mention ALIEN 3
ANYBODY!! :) ) No; it does not. Where are the things in his post that do not reference what we have already known? Even the ending with all the colonists,.. we just saw a picture of those rows of cryotubes.
I can't find a single detail of his info that tells us any information about the film which doesn't directly reference something we've already seen or previously knew about somehow. OR recall something already in another alien film. Be it Shaw (her involvement leaked) and The Engineer Massacre (pictures), or the Neomorphs, or the fact that the last act is on the Covenant. Everything somehow references something we've seen, and nothing is mentioned detailing anything we didn't already know was in the film. The details, like the fact that the alien follows them onto the Covenant, at the end; anyone who has seen an Alien film, who already heard Wayne Haag say that the 3rd act was on board the ship, already figured on that happening. David changing his hair color - happened in Prometheus. The 'Runner' alien with incomplete CGI - Alien 3 anyone? Read his posts again. Im pretty sure Im correct and he isn't doing anything but playing connect the dots between everything we already knew. It's all a bit quaint.
He/we all may be correct about some of the details but
I dont think this guy has seen the film.What's worse is: Whoever this is, had to have heard Wayne Haag's podcast with Hicks. WHICH MEANS IT'S ONE OF US. :-X
Sigh, I knew this was just ad hoc cobbling together, it happened prior to Prometheus as well. What troubles me deeply is why is it just CainsSon who has noticed?
Or, maybe, the film doesn't explain shit properly, just like
Prometheus.
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We didn't know most of the film took place in the Engineer complex, that David kills all of the Engineers by bombing them with black goo, that the crew of the Covenant are attacked by Neomorphs before encountering the citadel, etc.
Also, yeah, he's going to mention stuff we already know is in the movie,
because it's going to have been in the movie he saw. All that proves is stuff didn't get cut.
A lot of maybes if I say so myself. Again, I'm reserving proper analysis until everything is substantiated beyond internet blather.
There's one maybe.
And it's not much of a maybe. Prometheus was notorious for not explaining things, and it's entirely likely this one will have a similar issue. The reactions from test screenings were saying that the film fet a bit uneven and confusing towards the last half, not unlike Prometheus.
I haven't read the spoilers, and I won't. My only curiosity are the characters. Is their dialogue believable? Are their actions believable? Do they talk like normal people? It's only about character in my opinion. The gore, the blood, the creatures, it's all secondary. If the characters are dumb, Covenant has already failed.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2016, 06:07:18 AM
Or, maybe, the film doesn't explain shit properly, just like Prometheus.
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We didn't know most of the film took place in the Engineer complex, that David kills all of the Engineers by bombing them with black goo, that the crew of the Covenant are attacked by Neomorphs before encountering the citadel, etc.
Also, yeah, he's going to mention stuff we already know is in the movie, because it's going to have been in the movie he saw. All that proves is stuff didn't get cut.
Yeah I could be wrong, but what ISN'T in the movie that we HAVEN'T seen? He doesn't mention anything. Look at it like this - We KNEW that we were going to see the Engineer complex/city/citadel/structures and that the Engineers in that place were massacred/ mummified. And we know David is arriving there on a ship filled with the Black Goo which was meant to eradicate humans on earth (following the logic from Prometheus). Its just connecting dots to say David drops the payload on the Engineers and he kills them. And then we also knew that the Neomorph's attacks would occur when the Covenant explores the planet, and that the drop ship explodes, and the recent image of the soldiers (like soldiers) in the field... I'm saying the new details are paper thin and its like just connecting dots. Its possible some of the connections are correct but there isn't much connecting them we havent already known about. If the poster had really seen the movie, there would be details that don't simply connect one thing we know to the next thing. Instead he tells us, the planet looks like Earth but with wild storms. Ok well, we JUST heard that Franco's character dies during a storm. He also doesn't seem capable of answering the bigger questions that don't connect. Like HOW David creates the Facehugger. There is no way the movie is vague about that unless its script is complete garbage. I dont hate many of the things the poster mentioned but I think its BS.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Dec 21, 2016, 06:52:16 AM
I haven't read the spoilers, and I won't. My only curiosity are the characters. Is their dialogue believable? Are their actions believable? Do they talk like normal people? It's only about character in my opinion. The gore, the blood, the creatures, it's all secondary. If the characters are dumb, Covenant has already failed.
Well according to the 4chan guy there are undeveloped characters. :Shrugs:
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 21, 2016, 06:12:34 AM
A lot of maybes if I say so myself. Again, I'm reserving proper analysis until everything is substantiated beyond internet blather.
If he is correct about all of this and has seen the film, the trailer should confirm it.
Except the dots he's connected have been verified by other people we know have seen the film. Ask Hicks.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2016, 08:19:24 AM
Except the dots he's connected have been verified by other people we know have seen the film. Ask Hicks.
Ok, ok. But Im not saying he is wrong regarding the dots. And I like the ideas. I just dont believe he has SEEN the movie because he doesn't know answers to questions there are definitely answers to. Ridley Scott himself has said over and over again that we will know WHO made the Alien and WHY. Are we to believe the film will just have David sitting in a room, having MADE the Alien eggs and there is no explanation as to HOW he has done this? Cause that is f**king terrible and I will personally hate the movie if it does that. I find it hard to believe, that after all this time writing and developing this script, that would be the extent of it. I hope this guy is wrong about that. If Hicks could tell me that's not true my faith could be restored.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2016, 08:19:24 AM
Except the dots he's connected have been verified by other people we know have seen the film. Ask Hicks.
Aye. I'm certain this fella is legit. SiL mentioned some stuff in his earlier post that wasn't public knowledge (and yes, it may have been reasonable assumptions but they are specifically what happened) and then the guy's also spoiled the end of the film which definitely hasn't been talked about before and Fox will have no doubt wanted to remain a secret.
If you want to believe he isn't real, feel free. But those who don't want to be spoiled, please do heed my warnings; The stuff this chap is saying is what is going to happen in the film. He maybe getting some of the details confused (I don't know where the whole Proto-Xenomorph thing has come from) but the broad events all match up to what I've heard so far.
I just don't want people spoiling it for themselves if they don't want to because there's some major elements that this guy is divulging.
Regarding characters - this 4chan guy isn't the first to say they're not all great characters. I'm told that the core characters are really good (including McBride) but some of the secondary characters aren't fulled fleshed out unfortunately.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2016, 08:36:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2016, 08:19:24 AM
Except the dots he's connected have been verified by other people we know have seen the film. Ask Hicks.
Aye. I'm certain this fella is legit. SiL mentioned some stuff in his earlier post that wasn't public knowledge (and yes, it may have been reasonable assumptions but they are specifically what happened) and then the guy's also spoiled the end of the film which definitely hasn't been talked about before and Fox will have no doubt wanted to remain a secret.
If you want to believe he isn't real, feel free. But those who don't want to be spoiled, please do heed my warnings; The stuff this chap is saying is what is going to happen in the film. He maybe getting some of the details confused (I don't know where the whole Proto-Xenomorph thing has come from) but the broad events all match up to what I've heard so far.
I just don't want people spoiling it for themselves if they don't want to because there's some major elements that this guy is divulging.
Regarding characters - this 4chan guy isn't the first to say they're not all great characters. I'm told that the core characters are really good (including McBride) but some of the secondary characters aren't fulled fleshed out unfortunately.
Im cool with the end and the other things we knew about. Like the stuff with David and the Engineers.
But the part about the Facehugger just being there somehow, and there being no explanation for the creation of this facehugger that makes a ProtoXeno.... You're saying that he is confused and that isn't right? God I hope so. That's just terrible and cheap. How could he be confused about that? - Then again, it did seem to take another poster to tell him what was going on in the end.
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 21, 2016, 08:48:04 AM
You're saying that he is confused and that isn't right? God I hope so. That's just terrible and cheap. How could he be confused about that? - Then again, it did seem to take another poster to tell him what was going on in the end.
To be fair to him,
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I understand it was more obviously telegraphed in an earlier cut of the film and they made it less obvious in this latest cut.
CainsSon, Prometheus and tell us how the goo works, then get back to us about it being unbelievable he couldn't give a straight answer :P
Quote from: SiL on Dec 21, 2016, 09:04:49 AM
CainsSon, Prometheus and tell us how the goo works, then get back to us about it being unbelievable he couldn't give a straight answer :P
Touche. But for real... That's ridiculous. Where did the eggs and facehugger come from? We are to believe he just somehow figured out how to make them? Is this what he meant about Shaw? Did she have something to do with it?
I hope this 4chan guy is just trying to be SOMEWHAT secretive because this went to pot really fast. Having David make the Xeno, I can somewhat tolerate. I was even into the idea of seeing an alien burst from an android, but not explaining how it happens or how he manages to make it is really cheap.
I think my excitement for this movie has been lowered by this and thats a shame because I think the ending projected sounds cool. I hope... Are people still saying the film is good? I really thought this would be good.
QuoteI think my excitement for this movie has been lowered by this and thats a shame because I think the ending projected sounds cool. I hope... Are people still saying the film is good? I really thought this would be good.
Consensus seems to be people have enjoyed the film but some pacing and editing issues.
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 21, 2016, 09:22:47 AM
Having David make the Xeno, I can somewhat tolerate. I was even into the idea of seeing an alien burst from an android, but not explaining how it happens or how he manages to make it is really cheap.
I don't think it's not explained. As I understand it it comes down to -
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David's experimenting with the accelerant and on the local wildlife.
I don't know the further specifics than that at the moment but it's not just ignoring the whole thing.
I guess if pacing and editing issues are flagged up by test audiences there's still some time to resolve them? I suppose if there's character issues though, they would be more challenging to fix at this stage.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2016, 08:36:27 AM
Regarding characters - this 4chan guy isn't the first to say they're not all great characters. I'm told that the core characters are really good (including McBride) but some of the secondary characters aren't fulled fleshed out unfortunately.
Honestly, Alien '79 has 6 great core characters. Between Waterston, McBride and two Fassbenders, that's 4 strong characters we have heard a lot of specific praise for. That's enough for me, who cares if some of the peripheral Xeno Chow aren't isn't well-developed?
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 21, 2016, 10:32:20 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2016, 08:36:27 AM
Regarding characters - this 4chan guy isn't the first to say they're not all great characters. I'm told that the core characters are really good (including McBride) but some of the secondary characters aren't fulled fleshed out unfortunately.
Honestly, Alien '79 has 6 great core characters. Between Waterston, McBride and two Fassbenders, that's 4 strong characters we have heard a lot of specific praise for. That's enough for me, who cares if some of the peripheral Xeno Chow aren't isn't well-developed?
In Alien there were "just" 6 characters (+ A Cat + an Alien).
Both Prometheus and Alien Covenant have a large panel of people on board of the expeditions.
If 4 are "more" developed than the 20 others, it still is a very poor development.
And I'm pretty sure, like Prometheus or any films he has done recently, characters won't be involved into actions.
By action I mean a scene that reflect the character's personality by his behaving.
Most we will get is likely to be questions from the cast of what is this, that and there, a few joke by a few funny people and a quick death / fight back scenes here and there the whole thing filled with grandiosely boring dialogue between the gaps.
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 21, 2016, 05:06:26 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 08:33:36 AM
At this rate we'll know the entire film before it's even out.
Hmmmm...
I just read through the 4chan guy's posts again, because I wanted to know more about the 2nd act of the film, which never seems to come out of the dark, past his saying that it takes place in the Engineer Citadel. The thing is, APART from the stuff he mentions about David and Walter at the end - there is literally nothing this guy mentions that doesn't reference something we've already seen in photos or referenced in other official news.
The ONE QUESTION someone asked him, which doesn't relate to something we've already seen - his answer reveals his deceit. The question was about HOW David manages to create the Proto-Xenos. But he says it wasn't clear to him. All he could clarify about it was that David created the FACEHUGGER in his lab (Which we've seen pictures of) and tricked a character into getting Facehugged (which someone else previously mentioned is Billy Cruddup's character). Again, he said he could not remember or obtain any clear answers from the film, regarding how David created the Xenos, past his lab having pictures of failed experiments, and David somehow creating the Facehugger... etc. But quess what? We have all seen and known about all of those details already. Does it make ANY sense that this film would leave something like that unclear? (And don't you mention ALIEN 3 ANYBODY!! :) ) No; it does not. Where are the things in his post that do not reference what we have already known? Even the ending with all the colonists,.. we just saw a picture of those rows of cryotubes. I can't find a single detail of his info that tells us any information about the film which doesn't directly reference something we've already seen or previously knew about somehow. OR recall something already in another alien film. Be it Shaw (her involvement leaked) and The Engineer Massacre (pictures), or the Neomorphs, or the fact that the last act is on the Covenant. Everything somehow references something we've seen, and nothing is mentioned detailing anything we didn't already know was in the film. The details, like the fact that the alien follows them onto the Covenant, at the end; anyone who has seen an Alien film, who already heard Wayne Haag say that the 3rd act was on board the ship, already figured on that happening. David changing his hair color - happened in Prometheus. The 'Runner' alien with incomplete CGI - Alien 3 anyone? Read his posts again. Im pretty sure Im correct and he isn't doing anything but playing connect the dots between everything we already knew. It's all a bit quaint.
He/we all may be correct about some of the details but I dont think this guy has seen the film.
What's worse is: Whoever this is, had to have heard Wayne Haag's podcast with Hicks. WHICH MEANS IT'S ONE OF US. :-X
Im totally with you on this, his answers are all ahh yes and ahh this, not one answer is full of details and convincing.
Its just simple vagueness and guessing.
There isnt one scene that jumps out according to this guy, yet they go for the R rating with this.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 21, 2016, 11:19:48 AM
In Alien there were "just" 6 characters (+ A Cat + an Alien).
Seven. Kane was still a character.
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 21, 2016, 05:06:26 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2016, 08:33:36 AM
At this rate we'll know the entire film before it's even out.
Hmmmm...
I just read through the 4chan guy's posts again, because I wanted to know more about the 2nd act of the film, which never seems to come out of the dark, past his saying that it takes place in the Engineer Citadel. The thing is, APART from the stuff he mentions about David and Walter at the end - there is literally nothing this guy mentions that doesn't reference something we've already seen in photos or referenced in other official news.
The ONE QUESTION someone asked him, which doesn't relate to something we've already seen - his answer reveals his deceit. The question was about HOW David manages to create the Proto-Xenos. But he says it wasn't clear to him. All he could clarify about it was that David created the FACEHUGGER in his lab (Which we've seen pictures of) and tricked a character into getting Facehugged (which someone else previously mentioned is Billy Cruddup's character). Again, he said he could not remember or obtain any clear answers from the film, regarding how David created the Xenos, past his lab having pictures of failed experiments, and David somehow creating the Facehugger... etc. But quess what? We have all seen and known about all of those details already. Does it make ANY sense that this film would leave something like that unclear? (And don't you mention ALIEN 3 ANYBODY!! :) ) No; it does not. Where are the things in his post that do not reference what we have already known? Even the ending with all the colonists,.. we just saw a picture of those rows of cryotubes. I can't find a single detail of his info that tells us any information about the film which doesn't directly reference something we've already seen or previously knew about somehow. OR recall something already in another alien film. Be it Shaw (her involvement leaked) and The Engineer Massacre (pictures), or the Neomorphs, or the fact that the last act is on the Covenant. Everything somehow references something we've seen, and nothing is mentioned detailing anything we didn't already know was in the film. The details, like the fact that the alien follows them onto the Covenant, at the end; anyone who has seen an Alien film, who already heard Wayne Haag say that the 3rd act was on board the ship, already figured on that happening. David changing his hair color - happened in Prometheus. The 'Runner' alien with incomplete CGI - Alien 3 anyone? Read his posts again. Im pretty sure Im correct and he isn't doing anything but playing connect the dots between everything we already knew. It's all a bit quaint.
He/we all may be correct about some of the details but I dont think this guy has seen the film.
What's worse is: Whoever this is, had to have heard Wayne Haag's podcast with Hicks. WHICH MEANS IT'S ONE OF US. :-X
But who?? :o
You should really stay away from those spoilers friends!
You can not judge a movie on the advice of a guy who has seen an old test screening. Sans CGI, sans musique, sans effets sonores, quelque chose de non travaillé. Without CGI, no new music, no sound effects, definitely something unworked.
You have no idea about the whole project, the visuals, the immersion, the atmosphere, but also the final editing, the narration, the characters ..
Maybe he gives you the details of the story, fine. You like it or not whatever, but there is no analysis or anything else. In Alien or Prometheus, behind the scenario, he hides lots of visual or religious symbols ... and not everyone can see or understand it.
So there's the scenario, but the execution is just as important.
I'm pretty sure that if a test screening of Alien came out today, people would say it's just a slasher movie without interest but well done.
All I will say is that the individual certainly provided things no one else has mentioned (the ending in particular). The fact that his rough story outline connects the dots on things people have guessed isn't surprising either. We have thousands of people guessing thousands of things so, ultimately, people will have already guessed the correct connections. I would be stunned if they DIDN'T connect the images we have already seen.
This discussion is very similar tot he one around Prometheus when people refused to believe the first individual who leaked the entire plot. They thought it was far too convenient that it matched many of their guesses, etc. The end product ended up being exactly what he described.
The most certain thing to me is that he literally gave away the ending and it wasn't something anyone here could have guessed from any promotional materials. I never heard anyone hypothesize it either. We have that and we have Hicks corroborating that (and possibly other info). It's pretty much a lock that they saw the movie and their answers and descriptions are reflective of what we will see.
It is worth noting that Scified reported on this leak, and all of the quotes from the 4chan thread were removed "by request."
Fake leaks never get removed by request.
Scified reported on a different guy that didn't sound legitmate at all. He sounded like complete bullshit.
And the only time we've seen Fox request any information removed this time around prior to that was the Ripley's mum rumor which I understand was also a load of bollocks.
To be honest I dont believe anything I read...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2016, 03:40:49 PM
Scified reported on a different guy that didn't sound legitmate at all. He sounded like complete bullshit.
And the only time we've seen Fox request any information removed this time around prior to that was the Ripley's mum rumor which I understand was also a load of bollocks.
I find their removal requests strange.
Didn't they request the removal of the one particular batch of pictures showing the creatures? But they seem content with the batches of pictures showing engineers staying up.
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 03:49:42 PM
I find their removal requests strange.
Didn't they request the removal of the one particular batch of pictures showing the creatures? But they seem content with the batches of pictures showing engineers staying up.
Consider that they've not requested any of the thing I've scooped to be removed. Only leaked set picture and what I know to be erroneous scoops.
I was surprised they didn't ask for the Daily Mail pictures to be taken down though.
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
All I will say is that the individual certainly provided things no one else has mentioned (the ending in particular). The fact that his rough story outline connects the dots on things people have guessed isn't surprising either. We have thousands of people guessing thousands of things so, ultimately, people will have already guessed the correct connections. I would be stunned if they DIDN'T connect the images we have already seen.
This discussion is very similar tot he one around Prometheus when people refused to believe the first individual who leaked the entire plot. They thought it was far too convenient that it matched many of their guesses, etc. The end product ended up being exactly what he described.
The most certain thing to me is that he literally gave away the ending and it wasn't something anyone here could have guessed from any promotional materials. I never heard anyone hypothesize it either. We have that and we have Hicks corroborating that (and possibly other info). It's pretty much a lock that they saw the movie and their answers and descriptions are reflective of what we will see.
There is a picture out there, the Pompei scene, there is a engineer fighting with a deacon looking alien,
the guy never said anything about that, what he said was
Spoiler
David wiped them out by dropping the black goo over the engineers who are looking up to the spaceship, then where did that big ass deacon come from???
For god sake, what about this guy?
(https://i.imgur.com/yE89Rz7.png)
I even know there was some digital crowd animator attached to Covenant...
So maybe we ll see many engineers... who knows. That 4chan guy didnt mention
much details about Engineers!
Quote from: Infected on Dec 21, 2016, 04:08:43 PM
There is a picture out there, the Pompei scene, there is a engineer fighting with a deacon looking alien,
the guy never said anything about that, what he said was Spoiler
David wiped them out by dropping the black goo over the engineers who are looking up to the spaceship, then where did that big ass deacon come from???
Spoiler
There's no Deacon in the film. Only Neomorph and the more traditional looking Alien.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 21, 2016, 04:11:22 PM
I even know there was some digital crowd animator attached to Covenant...
So maybe we ll see many engineers... who knows. That 4chan guy didnt mention
much details about Engineers!
You get to see Engineers.
Yes, but that 4chan source said we ll see only a bunch of them... not so many.
Thats strange... Unless these Engineers from Covenant are not the same from Prometheus...???
From leaked photos it seem that their culture is pretty old and not so advanced... citadels similar
to Mesopotamian ziggurats, statues, toga clothing (similar to Romans)...
We've already seen how many we're going to get.
Quote from: Infected on Dec 21, 2016, 04:08:43 PM
There is a picture out there, the Pompei scene, there is a engineer fighting with a deacon looking alien,
the guy never said anything about that, what he said was Spoiler
David wiped them out by dropping the black goo over the engineers who are looking up to the spaceship, then where did that big ass deacon come from???
I don't even know for sure what those two things are supposed to represent in the movie but I do think it's easily explainable. Perhaps it never even makes it into the movie. Perhaps...
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Some engineers die from the goo and some mutate or give birth and the resulting creatures attack still living engineers
I don't think he went out of his way to explain every detail of every scene (I doubt someone could even recall that much). If it isn't crucial to what he was being asked he won't be primed to think of it. If the camera pans over the scene, he isn't going to recall every single detail. In a way it's a hint he is probably telling the truth. He answers the questions asked in a way that someone seeing a two hour movie one time would be able to answer them.
So you want to say, we ll get 50 engineers, thats not enough to form a village let alone a small city.
How is it possible that small civilisation developed space ships??? I simply want to tell you that I dont believe that
chan guy at all!!! :)
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 21, 2016, 04:20:27 PM
So you want to say, we ll get 50 engineers, thats not enough to form a village let alone a small city.
How is it possible that small civilisation developed space ships???
While a good question, I don't think it's one this particular movie has any real interest in answering.
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I think they very much, to my dismay, want to move on from Prometheus and cut most ties with it as they go all in on tying this right into Alien. I am sure you will see more than a few dozen but the implication is that the civilization dies from the goo and resulting chaos.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2016, 03:56:40 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 03:49:42 PM
I find their removal requests strange.
Didn't they request the removal of the one particular batch of pictures showing the creatures? But they seem content with the batches of pictures showing engineers staying up.
Consider that they've not requested any of the thing I've scooped to be removed. Only leaked set picture and what I know to be erroneous scoops.
I was surprised they didn't ask for the Daily Mail pictures to be taken down though.
It's a bit of a complex issue Corporal. Essentially they cannot force you to remove your scoops since that would infringe on free speech. All they can really do is ask you nicely. On the other hand, if you managed to get hold of an Alien: Covenant script and published that on here, then they can pursue legal action against you because that script is their property.
Remember those first exclusive pictures of the dropship at Milford Sound that you got hold of? They didn't ask you to take down those either. In that case, although it was pictures that contained their property it was also taken on public land. It could have been argued that the photo's were merely pictures of Milford Sound and the dropship prop merely incidental. The Daily Mail's pictures of the quarry were also taken from public land. I presume the quarry was private land although obviously not belonging to Fox. In that case the landowners would have needed to order the C&D.
The leaked pictures of Fassbender's little museum of horrors and everything else that were taken inside the studios got a C&D, since they were photo's of Fox's property that were taken on Fox's property.
Could someone please summarise what these spoilers are? I can't seem to find them...
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 21, 2016, 04:31:59 PM
Could someone please summarise what these spoilers are? I can't seem to find them...
The first post on the first page of this thread is the link to the 4chan page where the spoilers are.
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
All I will say is that the individual certainly provided things no one else has mentioned (the ending in particular). The fact that his rough story outline connects the dots on things people have guessed isn't surprising either. We have thousands of people guessing thousands of things so, ultimately, people will have already guessed the correct connections. I would be stunned if they DIDN'T connect the images we have already seen.
This discussion is very similar tot he one around Prometheus when people refused to believe the first individual who leaked the entire plot. They thought it was far too convenient that it matched many of their guesses, etc. The end product ended up being exactly what he described.
The most certain thing to me is that he literally gave away the ending and it wasn't something anyone here could have guessed from any promotional materials. I never heard anyone hypothesize it either. We have that and we have Hicks corroborating that (and possibly other info). It's pretty much a lock that they saw the movie and their answers and descriptions are reflective of what we will see.
Well The Corporal stands by what he says. Particularly the ending. But that was literarlly the ONLY thing that guy mentions that we didnt know. Which is probably the only great idea/ detail the guy mentions that we haven't heard. Literally everything else is something we knew already, if you've been following along on these forums. Ive re-read it several time now. Even the colors on board the covenant he mentions, are the colors in the viral "corridor" posts, on Twitter. He also mentions the space suits, which have been talked about already. More of a Moebius influence, less like Prometheus more like Alien. We knew that. David's lab and his experiments, we knew that. I dont mean to send everyone down the rabbit hole, in confusion. Im just pointing out what seems quaint to me. Even David destroying the Engineers - not hard to assume.
I also did not like anything mentioned about SHAW and flashbacks. Wasn't she there for weeks of shooting? Based on this guy's description, David saves the crew of the Covenant from The Neomorphs, that he can communicate with, and then tells the crew the story of what happened, flashing back to Shaw and him on board the Juggernaut? Sounds messy. I dunno.
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 21, 2016, 06:10:58 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
All I will say is that the individual certainly provided things no one else has mentioned (the ending in particular). The fact that his rough story outline connects the dots on things people have guessed isn't surprising either. We have thousands of people guessing thousands of things so, ultimately, people will have already guessed the correct connections. I would be stunned if they DIDN'T connect the images we have already seen.
This discussion is very similar tot he one around Prometheus when people refused to believe the first individual who leaked the entire plot. They thought it was far too convenient that it matched many of their guesses, etc. The end product ended up being exactly what he described.
The most certain thing to me is that he literally gave away the ending and it wasn't something anyone here could have guessed from any promotional materials. I never heard anyone hypothesize it either. We have that and we have Hicks corroborating that (and possibly other info). It's pretty much a lock that they saw the movie and their answers and descriptions are reflective of what we will see.
Well The Corporal stands by what he says. Particularly the ending. But that was literarlly the ONLY thing that guy mentions that we didnt know. Which is probably the only great idea/ detail the guy mentions that we haven't heard. Literally everything else is something we knew already, if you've been following along on these forums. Ive re-read it several time now. Even the colors on board the covenant he mentions, are the colors in the viral "corridor" posts, on Twitter. He also mentions the space suits, which have been talked about already. More of a Moebius influence, less like Prometheus more like Alien. We knew that. David's lab and his experiments, we knew that. I dont mean to send everyone down the rabbit hole, in confusion. Im just pointing out what seems quaint to me. Even David destroying the Engineers - not hard to assume.
I also did not like anything mentioned about SHAW and flashbacks. Wasn't she there for weeks of shooting? Based on this guy's description, David saves the crew of the Covenant from The Neomorphs, that he can communicate with, and then tells the crew the story of what happened, flashing back to Shaw and him on board the Juggernaut? Sounds messy. I dunno.
The
Spoiler
way that David kills everyone
was certainly something I had never heard before either. Nor had I heard
Spoiler
that David changes his hair color
from anyone. I think everyone here is reacting much the same way they reacted when leaks from Prometheus started coming out. Pointing to things to try and say it doesn't 'sound' right. But they were generally all true (outside of the ones you could straight tell were lies).
The fact that he is vaguely mentioning some of the things talked about, but not all, and there is some ambiguity, is a good sign he is telling the truth. If someone tied up every single loose end very cleanly and accounted for every screen shot, I would think that is most likely a lie. It is also important to remember he ran an AMA, he didn't proactively write down a whole synopsis. If people didn't ask, he didn't answer.
You may be right, but the fact that this is about the time it is being screened, combine with Hicks corroborating its apparent validity, along with my interpretation of the kinds of answers he is giving is enough for me.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2016, 04:11:48 PM
Quote from: Infected on Dec 21, 2016, 04:08:43 PM
There is a picture out there, the Pompei scene, there is a engineer fighting with a deacon looking alien,
the guy never said anything about that, what he said was Spoiler
David wiped them out by dropping the black goo over the engineers who are looking up to the spaceship, then where did that big ass deacon come from???
Spoiler
There's no Deacon in the film. Only Neomorph and the more traditional looking Alien.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 21, 2016, 04:11:22 PM
I even know there was some digital crowd animator attached to Covenant...
So maybe we ll see many engineers... who knows. That 4chan guy didnt mention
much details about Engineers!
You get to see Engineers.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2F315cyo8.jpg&hash=7099d6bffc6796126418fd1d728d5a7d01c50cc5)
I know but it looks more like the deacon then a xeno and ive never seen a neomorph, but this picture the guy never mentions.
Spoiler
so as he says that David throws the black goo out of the ship over the engineers, then why is there in this picture already a full grown deacon looking alien???? and its fighting with an engineer.
Honestly I'm glad that I read those spoilers. Makes me feel a lot more confident in Ridley delivering the goods with this film.
That is a sweet picture! And I thought I read somewhere that
Spoiler
Neomorphs hunted the engineers? Perhaps this is a flashback.
Quote from: shawsbaby on Dec 21, 2016, 04:40:59 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 21, 2016, 04:31:59 PM
Could someone please summarise what these spoilers are? I can't seem to find them...
The first post on the first page of this thread is the link to the 4chan page where the spoilers are.
Cheers... 😊
Quote from: thexenomorph on Dec 21, 2016, 07:59:05 PM
That is a sweet picture! And I thought I read somewhere that Spoiler
Neomorphs hunted the engineers? Perhaps this is a flashback.
Yes but the neomorphs turn out to be small buggers, and that engineer is at least 2 meters tall and so is the alien.
Quote from: Infected on Dec 21, 2016, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2016, 04:11:48 PM
Quote from: Infected on Dec 21, 2016, 04:08:43 PM
There is a picture out there, the Pompei scene, there is a engineer fighting with a deacon looking alien,
the guy never said anything about that, what he said was Spoiler
David wiped them out by dropping the black goo over the engineers who are looking up to the spaceship, then where did that big ass deacon come from???
Spoiler
There's no Deacon in the film. Only Neomorph and the more traditional looking Alien.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 21, 2016, 04:11:22 PM
I even know there was some digital crowd animator attached to Covenant...
So maybe we ll see many engineers... who knows. That 4chan guy didnt mention
much details about Engineers!
You get to see Engineers.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2F315cyo8.jpg&hash=7099d6bffc6796126418fd1d728d5a7d01c50cc5)
I know but it looks more like the deacon then a xeno and ive never seen a neomorph, but this picture the guy never mentions.
Spoiler
so as he says that David throws the black goo out of the ship over the engineers, then why is there in this picture already a full grown deacon looking alien???? and its fighting with an engineer.
Primarily
Spoiler
I think the black good being dropped will kill some engineers it touches which will mutate them into, or have them give birth to, alien things/whatever attack and killing the rest of the engineers
It certainly makes sense.
Regarding the Engineers
Spoiler
the spoilers said they're barely in the movie aside from the scene where David kills them. That leaves the possibility that they have a smaller role later on.
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: Infected on Dec 21, 2016, 07:40:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 21, 2016, 04:11:48 PM
Quote from: Infected on Dec 21, 2016, 04:08:43 PM
There is a picture out there, the Pompei scene, there is a engineer fighting with a deacon looking alien,
the guy never said anything about that, what he said was Spoiler
David wiped them out by dropping the black goo over the engineers who are looking up to the spaceship, then where did that big ass deacon come from???
Spoiler
There's no Deacon in the film. Only Neomorph and the more traditional looking Alien.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 21, 2016, 04:11:22 PM
I even know there was some digital crowd animator attached to Covenant...
So maybe we ll see many engineers... who knows. That 4chan guy didnt mention
much details about Engineers!
You get to see Engineers.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi64.tinypic.com%2F315cyo8.jpg&hash=7099d6bffc6796126418fd1d728d5a7d01c50cc5)
I know but it looks more like the deacon then a xeno and ive never seen a neomorph, but this picture the guy never mentions.
Spoiler
so as he says that David throws the black goo out of the ship over the engineers, then why is there in this picture already a full grown deacon looking alien???? and its fighting with an engineer.
Primarily Spoiler
I think the black good being dropped will kill some engineers it touches which will mutate them into, or have them give birth to, alien things/whatever attack and killing the rest of the engineers
It certainly makes sense.
Spoiler
Yes ive thought of that also but, before David comes to the engineers place its peaceful and there are no big aliens/xeno's, and you will need a host and a trilobite or facehugger in order to create such a huge alien,
it could be a scene from later on that an engineer visits the complex and the alien attacks him.
According to the Scified spoilers:
Spoiler
Its the protomorphs that hunt down the engineers, not the neomorphs like I thought. So that would make much more sense
Quote from: thexenomorph on Dec 21, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
According to the Scified spoilers:
Spoiler
Its the protomorphs that hunt down the engineers, not the neomorphs like I thought. So that would make much more sense
So they already exist before David comes to town???
Quote from: Infected on Dec 21, 2016, 08:29:43 PM
Quote from: thexenomorph on Dec 21, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
According to the Scified spoilers:
Spoiler
Its the protomorphs that hunt down the engineers, not the neomorphs like I thought. So that would make much more sense
So they already exist before David comes to town???
According to the Scified spoilers:
Spoiler
The Protomorphs
The name is not official, just what we're calling it. This Protomorph is a pre-existing Alien and the one featured on the current teaser poster for the film (hinted at, not confirmed). This Protomorph has been alive for a very long time and killed lots of Engineers and is somewhat of a primordial version of the iconic Xenomorph.
I wouldn't trust the Scified leaks. According to the more believable 4chan leaks
Spoiler
there are only the Neomorphs and the original xenomorph that shows up in the last act.
The SciFied leaks are crap.
Sounds terrible, hopefully he's talking bollocks...
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 21, 2016, 08:43:14 PM
I wouldn't trust the Scified leaks. According to the more believable 4chan leaks Spoiler
there are only the Neomorphs and the original xenomorph that shows up in the last act.
So then what's that creature in the picture then??
A mummified corpse on another. There's no elongated head, just a weird face.
Those are just two Engineers mummified together. Looks closely and you'll see.
Quote from: thexenomorph on Dec 21, 2016, 08:38:51 PM
Quote from: Infected on Dec 21, 2016, 08:29:43 PM
Quote from: thexenomorph on Dec 21, 2016, 08:20:46 PM
According to the Scified spoilers:
Spoiler
Its the protomorphs that hunt down the engineers, not the neomorphs like I thought. So that would make much more sense
So they already exist before David comes to town???
According to the Scified spoilers:
Spoiler
The Protomorphs
The name is not official, just what we're calling it. This Protomorph is a pre-existing Alien and the one featured on the current teaser poster for the film (hinted at, not confirmed). This Protomorph has been alive for a very long time and killed lots of Engineers and is somewhat of a primordial version of the iconic Xenomorph.
Interesting.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 21, 2016, 08:53:40 PM
Those are just two Engineers mummified together. Looks closely and you'll see.
Thats indeed possible, but then again thats a long underarm.
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 20, 2016, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: Himmelblau on Dec 20, 2016, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Dec 20, 2016, 11:57:46 AM
Thankfully I havent read the spoilers and i wont. Luckily i came in halfway through the original thread before its was split and at that point everyone was just going is it true.
I'm going in clean for once mwahahahaha
You'll cave eventually. ;)
I'll hold out for as long as i can. Probably for 17 days lol
I hate to rain on your parade, but you're not going to last 17 hours. :laugh:
I dont understand I thought that the black goo mutates organisms when it comes in contact with them via external ???
Spoiler
But the engineers get mummified with the black goo
Regarding mummification. Unused stuff from Prometheus:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F68.media.tumblr.com%2F8ebb155a8e401245f72be833008a32d3%2Ftumblr_mlxpl8nTVr1rdzko8o1_500.jpg&hash=3568120566c2d308e5491cf5d005d5e8ba4dd31e)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/unitphotos-500x281.jpg)
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 21, 2016, 09:50:26 PM
Regarding mummification. Unused stuff from Prometheus:
http://68.media.tumblr.com/8ebb155a8e401245f72be833008a32d3/tumblr_mlxpl8nTVr1rdzko8o1_500.jpg
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/unitphotos-500x281.jpg
I wonder if this 'mummification' is going to be how they ultimately say that the jockey in alien looked so old and fossilized without having to explain that it's been there 1000s of years.
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 10:06:16 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 21, 2016, 09:50:26 PM
Regarding mummification. Unused stuff from Prometheus:
http://68.media.tumblr.com/8ebb155a8e401245f72be833008a32d3/tumblr_mlxpl8nTVr1rdzko8o1_500.jpg
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/unitphotos-500x281.jpg
I wonder if this 'mummification' is going to be how they ultimately say that the jockey in alien looked so old and fossilized without having to explain that it's been there 1000s of years.
Good point.
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 21, 2016, 09:50:26 PM
Regarding mummification. Unused stuff from Prometheus:
http://68.media.tumblr.com/8ebb155a8e401245f72be833008a32d3/tumblr_mlxpl8nTVr1rdzko8o1_500.jpg
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/unitphotos-500x281.jpg
That Engineer was mummified due to time, not due to goo (directly).
He was chestbursted and died. The lids of all the sleep chambers, with the exception of the last engineer, had holes in them were the critter came out. The breach causing thousands of years of exposure.
It's too bad that was never explored in Prometheus. Obviously at some point they had plans to do so. I can't imagine putting that much detail into something that never even gets a clear camera shot.
I just came to this thread to declare that I have not looked at a single spoiler tag... My will remains strong. I just want this movie to be good.
Quote from: lv_226 on Dec 21, 2016, 10:52:39 PM
I just came to this thread to declare that I have not looked at a single spoiler tag... My will remains strong. I just want this movie to be good.
You must be proud. ::) :P
I'm pretty disappointed in how much has been leaked. I've read enough to know I needed to stop reading the spoilers. Judging by the amount of spoiler tagged post's that have spread throughout the thread a lot of you know what happens in the film already.
Just wanted to say this 4chan guy is a very convincing and very smart liar! I m 100 % sure about that!!! He simply used known facts to construct his story... yes, he did that!
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 21, 2016, 11:17:50 PM
Just wanted to say this 4chan guy is a very convincing and very smart liar! I m 100 % sure about that!!! He simply used known facts to construct his story... yes, he did that!
I kind of agree. Other than the ending, pretty much everything he said could be inferred from what we already know.
Who knows, though? I just want a trailer.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 21, 2016, 11:56:22 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 21, 2016, 11:17:50 PM
Just wanted to say this 4chan guy is a very convincing and very smart liar! I m 100 % sure about that!!! He simply used known facts to construct his story... yes, he did that!
I kind of agree. Other than the ending, pretty much everything he said could be inferred from what we already know.
Who knows, though? I just want a trailer.
But Hicks said it was some accuracy. What gives here??
Hicks saw the movie... Didnt know that :o
If he didnt, how can he tell...? For good sake this guy havent said anything we did not know, except that ending... but let me say this, when I heard Fassbender was about to play two roles I knew where they wanted to go with that. 4chan Guy havent revealed anything... any not showed or not leaked detail... NOTHING!
Maybe just wishful thinking. I just don't like some of what the leaks have to say, after thinking on it for a few days.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 12:03:21 AM
Hicks saw the movie... Didnt know that :o
If he didnt, how can he tell...? For good sake this guy havent said anything we did not know, except that ending... but let me say this, when I heard Fassbender was about to play two roles I knew where they wanted to go with that. 4chan Guy havent revealed anything... any not showed or not leaked detail... NOTHING!
He has leaked a lot.
Regarding Hicks, he didn't say the guy is absolutely correct, just that things he said, that no one else has said up to this point, match up with thing Hicks knows about the movie. This adds a lot of legitimacy to his post.
Hicks claims to know a few people who have seen rouge cuts of the film. I'm not questing his honesty at all. The man is as legit as somebody I never met can be. However I'm wondering if these "insiders" are really people he knows or just well respected net-buddies. However I mean if he says it's damn close to what he hears, I just have to believe the man and hope his insiders are full of baloney. :P
I'm surprised no one asked 4chan guy about the flute!
So basically Alien :Covenant is the comic book mini series Fire and Stone
Quote from: AsapJockey on Dec 22, 2016, 02:16:34 AM
So basically Alien :Covenant is the comic book mini series Fire and Stone
If that's the case I'm going to like this then. I recently read that and enjoyed the hell out of it.
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 06:52:43 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 21, 2016, 06:10:58 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
All I will say is that the individual certainly provided things no one else has mentioned (the ending in particular). The fact that his rough story outline connects the dots on things people have guessed isn't surprising either. We have thousands of people guessing thousands of things so, ultimately, people will have already guessed the correct connections. I would be stunned if they DIDN'T connect the images we have already seen.
This discussion is very similar tot he one around Prometheus when people refused to believe the first individual who leaked the entire plot. They thought it was far too convenient that it matched many of their guesses, etc. The end product ended up being exactly what he described.
The most certain thing to me is that he literally gave away the ending and it wasn't something anyone here could have guessed from any promotional materials. I never heard anyone hypothesize it either. We have that and we have Hicks corroborating that (and possibly other info). It's pretty much a lock that they saw the movie and their answers and descriptions are reflective of what we will see.
Well The Corporal stands by what he says. Particularly the ending. But that was literarlly the ONLY thing that guy mentions that we didnt know. Which is probably the only great idea/ detail the guy mentions that we haven't heard. Literally everything else is something we knew already, if you've been following along on these forums. Ive re-read it several time now. Even the colors on board the covenant he mentions, are the colors in the viral "corridor" posts, on Twitter. He also mentions the space suits, which have been talked about already. More of a Moebius influence, less like Prometheus more like Alien. We knew that. David's lab and his experiments, we knew that. I dont mean to send everyone down the rabbit hole, in confusion. Im just pointing out what seems quaint to me. Even David destroying the Engineers - not hard to assume.
I also did not like anything mentioned about SHAW and flashbacks. Wasn't she there for weeks of shooting? Based on this guy's description, David saves the crew of the Covenant from The Neomorphs, that he can communicate with, and then tells the crew the story of what happened, flashing back to Shaw and him on board the Juggernaut? Sounds messy. I dunno.
The Spoiler
way that David kills everyone
Spoiler
that David changes his hair color
The fact that he is vaguely mentioning some of the things talked about, but not all, and there is some ambiguity, is a good sign he is telling the truth. If someone tied up every single loose end very cleanly and accounted for every screen shot, I would think that is most likely a lie. It is also important to remember he ran an AMA, he didn't proactively write down a whole synopsis. If people didn't ask, he didn't answer.
You may be right, but the fact that this is about the time it is being screened, combine with Hicks corroborating its apparent validity, along with my interpretation of the kinds of answers he is giving is enough for me.
Except that David kills the Engineers is something we did kinda know. We knew there would be a massacre of the Engineers, as seen in the set photos, and we knew that David would be arriving at Paradise/ Where the Engineers came from, on a ship carrying a payload of the Goo meant to wipe out mankind. It's NOT hard to make that connection.
And you may not have KNOWN David would change his hair color, but you've seen David do it before in Prometheus, and that guy DIDN'T even understand what he had seen until another person who hadn't seen the film suggested it. Having two ANDROID that look alike in a script where we know one is a bad guy and one is a good guy - Its not a stretch by any means to think that this will involve them changing places at some point. This is an old hat.
STILL - I believe these things will happen. But not necessarily because this guy saw the film. But rather because he is just making sense out of what we've all seen/has leaked so far.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 12:03:21 AM
Hicks saw the movie... Didnt know that :o
If he didnt, how can he tell...? For good sake this guy havent said anything we did not know, except that ending... but let me say this, when I heard Fassbender was about to play two roles I knew where they wanted to go with that. 4chan Guy havent revealed anything... any not showed or not leaked detail... NOTHING!
Yes. Its pretty obvious that when you have an evil twin in a horror film, they are going to impersonate the good twin to trick the other good guys and do something bad. Its even cooler in this because they are android twins but we all knew where that would go. Its the oldest trick in the book.
Also if I were playing CLUE and trying to figure out who on here may have 'done it' ... I might have an idea now.
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 22, 2016, 03:22:26 AM
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 06:52:43 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 21, 2016, 06:10:58 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
All I will say is that the individual certainly provided things no one else has mentioned (the ending in particular). The fact that his rough story outline connects the dots on things people have guessed isn't surprising either. We have thousands of people guessing thousands of things so, ultimately, people will have already guessed the correct connections. I would be stunned if they DIDN'T connect the images we have already seen.
This discussion is very similar tot he one around Prometheus when people refused to believe the first individual who leaked the entire plot. They thought it was far too convenient that it matched many of their guesses, etc. The end product ended up being exactly what he described.
The most certain thing to me is that he literally gave away the ending and it wasn't something anyone here could have guessed from any promotional materials. I never heard anyone hypothesize it either. We have that and we have Hicks corroborating that (and possibly other info). It's pretty much a lock that they saw the movie and their answers and descriptions are reflective of what we will see.
Well The Corporal stands by what he says. Particularly the ending. But that was literarlly the ONLY thing that guy mentions that we didnt know. Which is probably the only great idea/ detail the guy mentions that we haven't heard. Literally everything else is something we knew already, if you've been following along on these forums. Ive re-read it several time now. Even the colors on board the covenant he mentions, are the colors in the viral "corridor" posts, on Twitter. He also mentions the space suits, which have been talked about already. More of a Moebius influence, less like Prometheus more like Alien. We knew that. David's lab and his experiments, we knew that. I dont mean to send everyone down the rabbit hole, in confusion. Im just pointing out what seems quaint to me. Even David destroying the Engineers - not hard to assume.
I also did not like anything mentioned about SHAW and flashbacks. Wasn't she there for weeks of shooting? Based on this guy's description, David saves the crew of the Covenant from The Neomorphs, that he can communicate with, and then tells the crew the story of what happened, flashing back to Shaw and him on board the Juggernaut? Sounds messy. I dunno.
The Spoiler
way that David kills everyone
Spoiler
that David changes his hair color
The fact that he is vaguely mentioning some of the things talked about, but not all, and there is some ambiguity, is a good sign he is telling the truth. If someone tied up every single loose end very cleanly and accounted for every screen shot, I would think that is most likely a lie. It is also important to remember he ran an AMA, he didn't proactively write down a whole synopsis. If people didn't ask, he didn't answer.
You may be right, but the fact that this is about the time it is being screened, combine with Hicks corroborating its apparent validity, along with my interpretation of the kinds of answers he is giving is enough for me.
Except that David kills the Engineers is something we did kinda know. We knew there would be a massacre of the Engineers, as seen in the set photos, and we knew that David would be arriving at Paradise/ Where the Engineers came from, on a ship carrying a payload of the Goo meant to wipe out mankind. It's NOT hard to make that connection.
And you may not have KNOWN David would change his hair color, but you've seen David do it before in Prometheus, and that guy DIDN'T even understand what he had seen until another person who hadn't seen the film suggested it. Having two ANDROID that look alike in a script where we know one is a bad guy and one is a good guy - Its not a stretch by any means to think that this will involve them changing places at some point. This is an old hat.
STILL - I believe these things will happen. But not necessarily because this guy saw the film. But rather because he is just making sense out of what we've all seen/has leaked so far.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 12:03:21 AM
Hicks saw the movie... Didnt know that :o
If he didnt, how can he tell...? For good sake this guy havent said anything we did not know, except that ending... but let me say this, when I heard Fassbender was about to play two roles I knew where they wanted to go with that. 4chan Guy havent revealed anything... any not showed or not leaked detail... NOTHING!
Yes. Its pretty obvious that when you have an evil twin in a horror film, they are going to impersonate the good twin to trick the other good guys and do something bad. Its even cooler in this because they are android twins but we all knew where that would go. Its the oldest trick in the book.
Also if I were playing CLUE and trying to figure out who on here may have 'done it' ... I might have an idea now.
I mean we simply didn't know any of those things and no one said it at all. It's as legit as can be and most likely true.
Nothing has been authenticated, it's very, very easy to infer a massacre based on the leaked photos of massacred corpses, and extrapolate further therefrom.
I'm with CainsSon on this one.
Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 22, 2016, 04:45:17 AM
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Quote from: Robopadna on Dec 21, 2016, 03:21:07 PM
All I will say is that the individual certainly provided things no one else has mentioned (the ending in particular). The fact that his rough story outline connects the dots on things people have guessed isn't surprising either. We have thousands of people guessing thousands of things so, ultimately, people will have already guessed the correct connections. I would be stunned if they DIDN'T connect the images we have already seen.
This discussion is very similar tot he one around Prometheus when people refused to believe the first individual who leaked the entire plot. They thought it was far too convenient that it matched many of their guesses, etc. The end product ended up being exactly what he described.
The most certain thing to me is that he literally gave away the ending and it wasn't something anyone here could have guessed from any promotional materials. I never heard anyone hypothesize it either. We have that and we have Hicks corroborating that (and possibly other info). It's pretty much a lock that they saw the movie and their answers and descriptions are reflective of what we will see.
Well The Corporal stands by what he says. Particularly the ending. But that was literarlly the ONLY thing that guy mentions that we didnt know. Which is probably the only great idea/ detail the guy mentions that we haven't heard. Literally everything else is something we knew already, if you've been following along on these forums. Ive re-read it several time now. Even the colors on board the covenant he mentions, are the colors in the viral "corridor" posts, on Twitter. He also mentions the space suits, which have been talked about already. More of a Moebius influence, less like Prometheus more like Alien. We knew that. David's lab and his experiments, we knew that. I dont mean to send everyone down the rabbit hole, in confusion. Im just pointing out what seems quaint to me. Even David destroying the Engineers - not hard to assume.
I also did not like anything mentioned about SHAW and flashbacks. Wasn't she there for weeks of shooting? Based on this guy's description, David saves the crew of the Covenant from The Neomorphs, that he can communicate with, and then tells the crew the story of what happened, flashing back to Shaw and him on board the Juggernaut? Sounds messy. I dunno.
The Spoiler
way that David kills everyone
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that David changes his hair color
The fact that he is vaguely mentioning some of the things talked about, but not all, and there is some ambiguity, is a good sign he is telling the truth. If someone tied up every single loose end very cleanly and accounted for every screen shot, I would think that is most likely a lie. It is also important to remember he ran an AMA, he didn't proactively write down a whole synopsis. If people didn't ask, he didn't answer.
You may be right, but the fact that this is about the time it is being screened, combine with Hicks corroborating its apparent validity, along with my interpretation of the kinds of answers he is giving is enough for me.
Except that David kills the Engineers is something we did kinda know. We knew there would be a massacre of the Engineers, as seen in the set photos, and we knew that David would be arriving at Paradise/ Where the Engineers came from, on a ship carrying a payload of the Goo meant to wipe out mankind. It's NOT hard to make that connection.
And you may not have KNOWN David would change his hair color, but you've seen David do it before in Prometheus, and that guy DIDN'T even understand what he had seen until another person who hadn't seen the film suggested it. Having two ANDROID that look alike in a script where we know one is a bad guy and one is a good guy - Its not a stretch by any means to think that this will involve them changing places at some point. This is an old hat.
STILL - I believe these things will happen. But not necessarily because this guy saw the film. But rather because he is just making sense out of what we've all seen/has leaked so far.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 12:03:21 AM
Hicks saw the movie... Didnt know that :o
If he didnt, how can he tell...? For good sake this guy havent said anything we did not know, except that ending... but let me say this, when I heard Fassbender was about to play two roles I knew where they wanted to go with that. 4chan Guy havent revealed anything... any not showed or not leaked detail... NOTHING!
Yes. Its pretty obvious that when you have an evil twin in a horror film, they are going to impersonate the good twin to trick the other good guys and do something bad. Its even cooler in this because they are android twins but we all knew where that would go. Its the oldest trick in the book.
Also if I were playing CLUE and trying to figure out who on here may have 'done it' ... I might have an idea now.
I mean we simply didn't know any of those things and no one said it at all. It's as legit as can be and most likely true.
RobotPADME - You've only been on this message board for a few posts, I'm not sure where you come from, but most of us on here - we DID know all of the things, I mentioned. And from those things its easy to extrapolate most of what 4 chan says if you just connect the dots. I'm not saying those things DONT happen in the film and Im not discrediting HICKS' sources whatsoever.
He may know these details are correct from others and they may be correct. But it may also be that this person is getting the info second-hand and only reiterating it. I'm just saying, IMO it reads as EXTRAPOLATION.
However there is one thing he mentions that I didn't immediately recognize, and that is the EMBRYOS. This is curious to me, because there is an official COVENANT 'Creature Crew' T-SHIRT ( I think its a t-shirt ) which depicts the FACEHUGGER and some other images of it's anatomy like it's OVIPOSITOR... One of these images, DOES appear to be an EMBRYO in an AMNIOTIC SACK and most of the images on that T-shirt, seem to focus on that EMBRYO coming through the OVIPOSITOR. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scified.com%2Fu%2Falien--covenant---creature-crew---poster-64418.jpg&hash=d6cbbfc39756a9d6550f8f7a9a1f7bffa69cc68d)
^^^^This had caught my attn previously, because it's a strange thing for the t-shirt to focus on, and also something we've never seen before. So, to me, this does add some credibility to his posts, since it's something I hadn't seen anyone else mention much. So yeah, just a small detail that caught my attn in the past few months... There was another thing the 4chan guy said, regarding the Covenant remaining in low-orbit, which sounded specific to me, but we knew they took a drop ship and returned to the COVENANT after Wayne Haag's interview. I started a new thread about this as well.
I'm just being objective here. I'm not trying to discredit the guy or anyone, I'm just seeing what holds up to scrutiny.
It's confirmed he's telling the truth, why are you still arguing this?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 22, 2016, 01:21:15 AM
Hicks claims to know a few people who have seen rouge cuts of the film.
When did I say that?
QuoteI'm not questing his honesty at all. The man is as legit as somebody I never met can be. However I'm wondering if these "insiders" are really people he knows or just well respected net-buddies. However I mean if he says it's damn close to what he hears, I just have to believe the man and hope his insiders are full of baloney. :P
I thought I'd made it pretty clear I only comment on stuff like this I have genuine confidence over. Let's see - the Neomorphs (the backburster stuff has at least be corroborated by the Showcase 2017 footage), the James Franco casting (which is now being confirmed). Granted the Guy Pearce casting hasn't been confirmed yet but I'm 2 up so far.
You should know by now if I don't have the confidence in something being genuine, I will say. I don't lie to you guys. This site has a reputation to maintain and I'm not going to jeopardize it for the sake of attention.
I'm just wanting to protect you guys from genuine sounding massive spoilers here. It's not a witch hunt. I genuinely believe that this guy is legit and spoiling the film.
FACT. Corporal Hicks was able to corroborate this 4chan leak.
FACT. Corporal Hicks was able to confirm that the
previous 4chan link was a forgery.
FACT. Corporal Hicks knows a bullshit Scified story when he sees one.
FACT. Corporal Hicks has enough insider info to trickle
exclusive scoops to the Alien fanbase
FACT. Corporal Hicks was able to secure interviews with several crew members of Alien Covenant but cannot interview the director
for reasonsFACT. Corporal Hicks has an
unparalleled knowledge of the Alien universe.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I think I have solved the mystery! For you see, all of the above is only possible if...
Spoiler
Corporal Hicks is Ridley Scott!
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Quote from: MajorB on Dec 22, 2016, 08:51:05 AM
FACT. Corporal Hicks has an unparalleled knowledge of the Alien universe.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I think I have solved the mystery! For you see, all of the above is only possible if...
Spoiler
Corporal Hicks is Ridley Scott!
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Ha. I f**king wish!
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2016, 07:35:23 AM
It's confirmed he's telling the truth, why are you still arguing this?
Oh man. I'm not arguing whether the stuff the guy says is true. Im arguing over whether anything he is saying is stuff we didn't already know, just pieced together. THAT'S IT.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 22, 2016, 08:11:37 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 22, 2016, 01:21:15 AM
Hicks claims to know a few people who have seen rouge cuts of the film.
When did I say that?
You said he was spot on from what you were told about the movie, even going so far as saying he has spoiled the movie. I mean what else would I think?
So what is it? If you don't know anyone who has seen the movie then what exactly are you using to claim that he was spot on? Or was it just the trailer they saw? If that all came from the trailer then damn... we really better not watch that trailer. :P
:laugh: Didn't think I'd said such a thing. Let's not put words in my mouth please.
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 22, 2016, 08:58:11 AM
Im arguing over whether anything he is saying is stuff we didn't already know, just pieced together. THAT'S IT.
Spoiler
We didn't know about where the majority of the story took place.
We didn't know David would kill all the Engineers. Nobody suspected that's what the mummified corpses were.
We didn't know the order of attacks.
We didn't know the ending.
We suspected David created something close to the typical Alien. We didn't have any sort of description until now.
There's plenty of stuff he's saying that nobody knew and few even considered.
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 22, 2016, 08:51:05 AM
FACT. Corporal Hicks was able to corroborate this 4chan leak.
FACT. Corporal Hicks was able to confirm that the previous 4chan link was a forgery.
FACT. Corporal Hicks knows a bullshit Scified story when he sees one.
FACT. Corporal Hicks has enough insider info to trickle exclusive scoops to the Alien fanbase
FACT. Corporal Hicks was able to secure interviews with several crew members of Alien Covenant but cannot interview the director for reasons
FACT. Corporal Hicks has an unparalleled knowledge of the Alien universe.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I think I have solved the mystery! For you see, all of the above is only possible if...
Spoiler
Corporal Hicks is Ridley Scott!
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He may not be Scott but
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He knows all forgets nothing, and likes to tease the living s**t out of us!! :P
Those who have read the spoilers, can tell me if Covenant is a remake of Alien or Aliens? :-\ :-\
Not really. Just has the same sort of vibes.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 22, 2016, 11:42:11 AM
Not really. Just has the same sort of vibes.
Ok good thanks !
I don't want a fanboy movie.
Hi everyone,
long time lurker here.
Quiet honestly I don't believe the leaker and would be disappointed if the spoilers were real. There was nothing in there that surprised me. It all fits very nicely with the production stills and picture leaks we have already seen. It was super vague and never went into detail. Nothing stood out to me or made me go "hmm how clever" story-wise which couldn't already be derived from what we know already. It just feels too bland and reads too much like fan-fiction.
Spoiler
David drops goo on engineers and kills them all...he's evil and experiments on the covenant crew to make lots of aliens...he kills off walter and boards the covenant disguised as walter to find 1000s of colonists and embryos and puts the alien embryos next to them...this ending is way too obvious of an tie-in to alien, especially given there are 2 more films planned.
But what really stood out to me was how unsure he was with david dieing off-screen and substituting in as walter at the end. First he says "yea unsure about walter change of heart, I was confused" and when someone obviously pointed out they are the same actor and they could just swap places he goes "yea of course! maybe that's why david changed his hair to match walters during the movie". This would be way too obvious to be confused about.
But in the end that's just my oppinion and it could very well be real. :'(
Re: the ending.
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It was originally too easily telegraphed about David and Walter switching places. They made it less obvious in this most recent edit.
And welcome to the forum! :)
Remember how they said David perhaps has a soul. He is not a straightforward antagonist!!!! Leaks are false!!! ;)
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 22, 2016, 08:58:11 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2016, 07:35:23 AM
It's confirmed he's telling the truth, why are you still arguing this?
Oh man. I'm not arguing whether the stuff the guy says is true. Im arguing over whether anything he is saying is stuff we didn't already know, just pieced together. THAT'S IT.
I think what you are doing here is backfilling and making connections off what he said back to things you have seen (even then several things have no reference). None of that was apparent to anyone until he saw the movie and said how everything fit together. Several critical things he mentioned don't have anything backing them up except Hicks who will corroborate them to the degree he can.
I mean there is a lot that will happen in a two hour movie that he can't get into during an AMA and there is a big difference between the visual medium of film and written responses on a message board. A lot is lost in translation. All of that means there is a LOT we still don't know but we do know the rough outline of the entire movie.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 01:24:16 PM
Remember how they said David perhaps has a soul. He is not a straightforward antagonist!!!! Leaks are false!!! ;)
It means that David "rebels" against his programming and becomes what he wants to become. It's very human. Therefore, he's got a "soul".
Yes, but robot in process of understanding himself and his nature, especially
a robot constrained by many factors of his programing etc. would never simply
attack and destroy whole race of Engineers! :) Yes, Weyland is now dead and David
is free but why would he want to destroy race he is interested in...?
He even was unable to put a goo into Holloway's drink without his "consent"
and Weyland's strict orders.
Why that 4chan guy havent explained Miltons Paradise Lost connection with Covenant?
His vision of the movie is simply incomplete and a bit strange:
Spoiler
David destroys engineers, he kills Shaw... experiments with goo and other organisms,
experiments on himself.
Covenant crew arrives after receiving that distress signal
David lurks them and uses them for his experiments
Walter and some crew member find out his intentions and try to destroy David
Few Covenant crew fight Xeno on the main ship... they successfully destroy Xeno.
At the very end, victorious Walter seems to have a change of heart and brings Xeno
embryos in secret with himself on Covenant ---BUT BUT It seems Walter is David, or rather David made himself look like Walter whom he killed moments before. I like that ending but I m pretty unsure about the rest of the movie 4chan guy spoke about. It seems he just connected pieces we all saw and made his own story.
Wayne Haag said completely opposite thing!Let me continue:
Quote4chan guy QUOTE: I guess the only new monsters are the Neomorphs and some wildlife that has changed due to black goo exposure.
So he simply guess, for Gods sake, he saw the movie, he either know or not... he doesnt need to guess anything.
He expressed a certain uncertainty in the sentence above!
QuoteQuote two: When David first tells the crew of Covenant what happened to Shaw, he claims she died when the Jockey ship crashed on the planet. Later we find out David killed her or exposed her to black goo for testing.
So what do we find out? :)
Again uncertain and undefined answer!
QuoteThe Proto Xeno is basically like the Runner in Alien 3, but looks like the one from 1979 movie. Looked pretty cool, but a lot of the CGI wasn't finished on it.
He said that he saw the latest cut... So, how is it possible that a lot of CGI wasnt finished? :o ??? :-\ :-*
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 09:31:54 PM
Yes, but robot in process of understanding himself and his nature, especially
a robot constrained by many factors of his programing etc. would never simply
attack and destroy whole race of Engineers! :) Yes, Weyland is now dead and David
is free but why would he want to destroy race he is interested in...?
Because he can ;D
How does david get a body? Shaw built it before she dies or something?
Quote4chan guy: Shaw reattaches his head during the flight to Paradise with David's help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R9TNByubnY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R9TNByubnY)
2:00 ???
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 10:15:15 PM
How does david get a body? Shaw built it before she dies or something?
How she does it is not important. What is important is that she does it and pays the price for it. Isn't it ironic?
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 09:31:54 PM
Yes, but robot in process of understanding himself and his nature, especially
a robot constrained by many factors of his programing etc. would never simply
attack and destroy whole race of Engineers! :) Yes, Weyland is now dead and David
is free but why would he want to destroy race he is interested in...?
He even was unable to put a goo into Holloway's drink without his "consent"
and Weyland's strict orders.
Why that 4chan guy havent explained Miltons Paradise Lost connection with Covenant?
His vision of the movie is simply incomplete and a bit strange:
Spoiler
David destroys engineers, he kills Shaw... experiments with goo and other organisms,
experiments on himself.
Covenant crew arrives after receiving that distress signal
David lurks them and uses them for his experiments
Walter and some crew member find out his intentions and try to destroy David
Few Covenant crew fight Xeno on the main ship... they successfully destroy Xeno.
At the very end, victorious Walter seems to have a change of heart and brings Xeno
embryos in secret with himself on Covenant ---BUT BUT It seems Walter is David, or rather David made himself look like Walter whom he killed moments before. I like that ending but I m pretty unsure about the rest of the movie 4chan guy spoke about. It seems he just connected pieces we all saw and made his own story.
4chan guy spoke we ll not learn much about Engineers while
Wayne Haag said completely opposite thing!
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Exactly what I thought. The obvious known things built into a fan-fiction story with a twist, ending in an Doppelgänger film trope which I deem below Ridley's ingenuity.
Also the leaked picture of the mummified engineers inside the citadel look like imprisoned burn victims to me. They are all crowded up against something like a gate as if they were deliberately held inside and purged (maybe to contain an outbreak?). I can very much imagine that we get to see this as a backstory-type scene (similar to the beginning of Prometheus) before david, and later the covenant arrive at the long deserted engineer planet.
It just doesn't make sense for a robot build by a rather primitive civilization(compared to them) is capable of killing all the engineer population on the planet...even with one of their spaceships. Keep in mind with how much disdain and contempt the engineer in prometheus reacted to david.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 10:15:15 PM
How does david get a body? Shaw built it before she dies or something?
Quote4chan guy: Shaw reattaches his head during the flight to Paradise with David's help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R9TNByubnY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R9TNByubnY)
2:00 ???
When she winches out of the juggernaut or Prometheus i cant remember wich one, she uses Davids body to winch down and uses his body as counterweight.
QuoteIt just doesn't make sense for a robot build by a rather primitive civilization(compared to them) is capable of killing all the engineer population on the planet...even with one of their spaceships. Keep in mind with how much disdain and contempt the engineer in prometheus reacted to david.
Completely agree!
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 09:31:54 PM
Yes, but robot in process of understanding himself and his nature, especially
a robot constrained by many factors of his programing etc. would never simply
attack and destroy whole race of Engineers! :) Yes, Weyland is now dead and David
is free but why would he want to destroy race he is interested in...?
He even was unable to put a goo into Holloway's drink without his "consent"
and Weyland's strict orders.
I'm not sure David ever adheard to any moral or ethical parameter in Prometheus... neither were his actions at the behest of Weyland (certainly not implicit in the film itself). Clearly David is operating within his own moral construction... In David's eyes, Shaw and the crew of the Covenant deserve no more consideration than rats in a laboratory...
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 22, 2016, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 10:15:15 PM
How does david get a body? Shaw built it before she dies or something?
How she does it is not important. What is important is that she does it and pays the price for it. Isn't it ironic?
Not important ;D ;D
Sir Ridley Scott interview
QUOTE:
QuoteBut onto the big question: can we really expect Michael Fassbender to spend an entire movie as a disembodied head? "It's going to be better than that," chuckled Scott. "It's a very nice big idea I've got. It's really great. You're going to have to wait..."
So, Shaw puts his head back and he kills her, that is a big, grand, huge idea?
I dont think so. For God sake, Ridley in commentary of Prometheus spoke how David
respects Shaw.
You know, Ridley changes his mind very quickly :). Anyway, apart from spoilers, we just have to wait and see it.
Well I just want to dispute those leaks with arguments.
Leaks are suspicious at the very best.
P.S.
Better to be wrong in disbelief because you ll discover something new than
be wrong in belief.
Quote
Sir Ridley Scott interview
QUOTE:
QuoteBut onto the big question: can we really expect Michael Fassbender to spend an entire movie as a disembodied head? "It's going to be better than that," chuckled Scott. "It's a very nice big idea I've got. It's really great. You're going to have to wait..."
So, Shaw puts his head back and he kills her, that is a big, grand, huge idea?
I dont think so. For God sake, Ridley in commentary of Prometheus spoke how David
respects Shaw.
Well it sounds like Ridley is teasing about the idea of Fassbender actually playing two robots instead of just a head. Was this already known at the point of this interview? But I do agree with you on topic of shaw...iirc david even mentioned how he respected her will to survive at the end of prometheus. Wouldn't feel very consistent for him to kill her at the start of covenant.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 22, 2016, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 22, 2016, 08:58:11 AM
Im arguing over whether anything he is saying is stuff we didn't already know, just pieced together. THAT'S IT.
Spoiler
1. We didn't know about where the majority of the story took place.
2. We didn't know David would kill all the Engineers. Nobody suspected that's what the mummified corpses were.
3. We didn't know the order of attacks.
4. We didn't know the ending.
5. We suspected David created something close to the typical Alien. We didn't have any sort of description until now.
There's plenty of stuff he's saying that nobody knew and few even considered.
1. But we knew David had a lab underneath the engineer fortress. And this being the location of the film, was basically all he mentioned about the entire second act. Everything else was stuff we knew about.
2.we knew the engineers would be destroyed from the pics and we knew David would arrive with a load of urns meant to wipe out mankind. It's not hard to extrapolate that he does this. I had considered it myself but figured it would be the covenant escaping at the end on the juggernaut. He is just filling in gaps between what we saw. Not hard to do and be right about.
3. And maybe we still don't. He says it happens soon after they explore the planet. Of course it does! The neomorphs are the main Alien monsters we knew that! Of course it happens early in the film.when they explore the planet. This is not news it common sense.
4. We knew from Wayne gags interview that the end takes place on the covenant ship and that there is a drop ship they land in. Also it explodes and they won't be able to leave the planet easily. I'm calling it now. See how easy it is? The thing with David switching places with Walter is the oldest doppelgänger trick in the book. Did you not see that coming? The Embryos - that we disht know about. But he could be making that up.
5. Multiple sites have reported that one of the monsters is created by a chain of events in the film and the other would be something we have yet to see. Recent leaks have said it would be created by David.
We knew most if not all of this. Find one detail that doesn't reference something else we already heard. I can't. Except for the embryos. The fact that everything he mentions relates to the pics is MY point. To say of course they do, because it's there is also my point - because apart from threading the details together there is nothing else we haven't seen. I believe the ending because it's the oldest trick in the book.
+1
Agree with everything you wrote!
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Are the engineers
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morons for not picking up the jugg some ways off before it entered their home planet's atmosphere and sensing something other than a engineer was piloting it?
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 22, 2016, 11:38:37 PM
Are the engineers
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morons for not picking up the jugg some ways off before it entered their home planet's atmosphere and sensing something other than a engineer was piloting it?
To set a precedent I'm going to assume in this case that these engineers are not naiver than humans. Look at our current aviation on earth. We have air traffic control, regulations to be followed, no fight zones, and dozens of ways to track airplanes. There is no indication that they don't have similar, most likely even more advanced and sophisticated systems to keep track of their space traffic, orbit, or anything else in their proximity. If something appears that isn't scheduled and doesn't report in any reasoning I assume there are measures to encounter such an event.
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 22, 2016, 11:38:37 PM
Are the engineers
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morons for not picking up the jugg some ways off before it entered their home planet's atmosphere and sensing something other than a engineer was piloting it?
Well.
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I get the feeling that, much like in LV224, "Paradise" went through its own apocalypse.. via war/etc... and by the time David arrives, the surviving Engineers are now less technologically advanced than their ancestors.
David takes the chance to "put them out of their misery" and lands to investigate/start experimenting.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 22, 2016, 11:22:11 PM
+1
Agree with everything you wrote!
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TBH This has become more than I ever wanted it it to be. I could be wrong. But I'm not shaken by anything this guy wrote on there. Maybe he did see the movie! All I'm saying is that anyone can thread those details together from what we know and SOUND right because we already knew those details without linking them together - whether it is correct or not. He may be. Hicks says he may be. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he may know things we don't that he cannot confirm or deny.
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 23, 2016, 01:41:01 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 22, 2016, 11:38:37 PM
Are the engineers
Spoiler
morons for not picking up the jugg some ways off before it entered their home planet's atmosphere and sensing something other than a engineer was piloting it?
Well.
Spoiler
I get the feeling that, much like in LV224, "Paradise" went through its own apocalypse.. via war/etc... and by the time David arrives, the surviving Engineers are now less technologically advanced than their ancestors.
David takes the chance to "put them out of their misery" and lands to investigate/start experimenting.
That sounds good - plausible but will we ever see the engineers in there natural state ? What does their civilization look like? What are they about? Etc
I want to be impressed by them see their amazing tech etc.
Otherwise they are just a bunch of morons like we are as we will end up destroying ourselves and the only control meganism is war where the lessening of numbers is what prevents this.
At least show us how they are better then us.
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
Superior technology? David can't be more intelligent than an engineer they should be many times more intelligent then we are. David's IQ clocks at 350. The engineers should be somewhere around 500 to 600. So there control interfaces should have sailsafes beyond even David's comprehension. I can't believe that engineers killed themselves off. How did they become this advanced in the first place? Doesn't make sense. Except if its a deliberate act from someone.
Sorry mood killer. I know its only a movie.
If David can fly an engineer spacecraft, if he can speak/read their language, I'm sure he can get behind any defences the engineers may have. All he needs is a bit of time... long enough for him to deploy the bio-weapon. That's believable given his knowledge of their culture. Besides, we don't know what else he's learned en route to Paradise.
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 23, 2016, 01:55:11 AM
TBH This has become more than I ever wanted it it to be. I could be wrong. But I'm not shaken by anything this guy wrote on there. Maybe he did see the movie! All I'm saying is that anyone can thread those details together from what we know and SOUND right because we already knew those details without linking them together - whether it is correct or not. He may be. Hicks says he may be. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he may know things we don't that he cannot confirm or deny.
Like you said, I can't go into any details. You guys have believed me when I scooped the Neomorphs and Franco and Pearce. I don't recall anyone coming out and giving me grieve over that. So when I tell you I think this guy is legitimate...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2016, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 23, 2016, 01:55:11 AM
TBH This has become more than I ever wanted it it to be. I could be wrong. But I'm not shaken by anything this guy wrote on there. Maybe he did see the movie! All I'm saying is that anyone can thread those details together from what we know and SOUND right because we already knew those details without linking them together - whether it is correct or not. He may be. Hicks says he may be. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he may know things we don't that he cannot confirm or deny.
Like you said, I can't go into any details. You guys have believed me when I scooped the Neomorphs and Franco and Pearce. I don't recall anyone coming out and giving me grieve over that. So when I tell you I think this guy is legitimate...
8)
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 23, 2016, 05:08:52 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
Superior technology? David can't be more intelligent than an engineer they should be many times more intelligent then we are. David's IQ clocks at 350. The engineers should be somewhere around 500 to 600. So there control interfaces should have sailsafes beyond even David's comprehension. I can't believe that engineers killed themselves off. How did they become this advanced in the first place? Doesn't make sense. Except if its a deliberate act from someone.
Sorry mood killer. I know its only a movie.
David was capable of deciphering the Engineers language within seconds.
The engineer was unable to understand a word from English without David translating.
The engineers are pretty much human when you think about it.
Just more advanced but more advanced doesn't mean "more intelligent".
We are no more intelligent than a man from 10 000 years ago.
David on the contrary, is capable of making an incredible amount of decisions within seconds.
He sure may have been limited in certain aspect as a safeguard to not fully turn against humans.
But he is pretty much the apex of evolution, the dream weyland wanted: be immortal.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 23, 2016, 11:03:59 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 23, 2016, 05:08:52 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
Superior technology? David can't be more intelligent than an engineer they should be many times more intelligent then we are. David's IQ clocks at 350. The engineers should be somewhere around 500 to 600. So there control interfaces should have sailsafes beyond even David's comprehension. I can't believe that engineers killed themselves off. How did they become this advanced in the first place? Doesn't make sense. Except if its a deliberate act from someone.
Sorry mood killer. I know its only a movie.
David was capable of deciphering the Engineers language within seconds.
The engineer was unable to understand a word from English without David translating.
The engineers are pretty much human when you think about it.
Just more advanced but more advanced doesn't mean "more intelligent".
We are no more intelligent than a man from 10 000 years ago.
David on the contrary, is capable of making an incredible amount of decisions within seconds.
He sure may have been limited in certain aspect as a safeguard to not fully turn against humans.
But he is pretty much the apex of evolution, the dream weyland wanted: be immortal.
"David was capable of deciphering the Engineers language within seconds."
No, David studied years on the Prometheus the old languages, David had more information about what they where about to engage.
He was prepared by two years of knowledge and planning, he probably was so prepared he even could see the orders Weyland could possibly give him and he could undermine them to make them work out for him and not for the crew or Weyland.
Quote from: Infected on Dec 23, 2016, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 23, 2016, 11:03:59 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 23, 2016, 05:08:52 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
Superior technology? David can't be more intelligent than an engineer they should be many times more intelligent then we are. David's IQ clocks at 350. The engineers should be somewhere around 500 to 600. So there control interfaces should have sailsafes beyond even David's comprehension. I can't believe that engineers killed themselves off. How did they become this advanced in the first place? Doesn't make sense. Except if its a deliberate act from someone.
Sorry mood killer. I know its only a movie.
David was capable of deciphering the Engineers language within seconds.
The engineer was unable to understand a word from English without David translating.
The engineers are pretty much human when you think about it.
Just more advanced but more advanced doesn't mean "more intelligent".
We are no more intelligent than a man from 10 000 years ago.
David on the contrary, is capable of making an incredible amount of decisions within seconds.
He sure may have been limited in certain aspect as a safeguard to not fully turn against humans.
But he is pretty much the apex of evolution, the dream weyland wanted: be immortal.
"David was capable of deciphering the Engineers language within seconds."
No, David studied years on the Prometheus the old languages, David had more information about what they where about to engage.
He was prepared by two years of knowledge and planning, he probably was so prepared he even could see the orders Weyland could possibly give him and he could undermine them to make them work out for him and not for the crew or Weyland.
Makes you think doesn't it.
If Hicks says this guy is legitimate then I don't have any reason not to trust him :).
Regarding -
Spoiler
David killing Engineers on Paradise
I don't have any problems with that. We don't know who they really are. Maybe they're small society abandoned by others. Maybe they're victims of war/fugitives. We simply DON'T know. Because they're intelligence doesn't mean they cannot live in "primitive" environment. Maybe they're not materialist like humans are. Some kind of minimalistic and spiritual society who live in peace and contemplate nature of life and so on. Who knows?
Remember that outbreak on LV-223 happened approximately 2000 years ago. Since then a lot of things might have changed regarding Engineers on so-called Paradise.
Maybe they are not Engineers from Prometheus at all...
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 23, 2016, 01:51:14 PM
Maybe they are not Engineers from Prometheus at all...
They are and the're not at the same time. Sounds enigmatic. Doesn't it? :)
Engineers from
Prometheus are somehow related to those on Paradise or even come from that planet. Otherwise David wouldn't know where to fly juggernaut. 2000 years is a long time. Something happened during that period. It's likely that Engineers in
Prometheus have been abandoned by those on Paradise since we haven't seen any indirect presence of them inside pyramid. Everything was intact which means that nobody but Prometheus crew entered military outpost in LV-223.
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 23, 2016, 05:08:52 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
Superior technology? David can't be more intelligent than an engineer they should be many times more intelligent then we are. David's IQ clocks at 350. The engineers should be somewhere around 500 to 600. So there control interfaces should have sailsafes beyond even David's comprehension. I can't believe that engineers killed themselves off. How did they become this advanced in the first place? Doesn't make sense. Except if its a deliberate act from someone.
That's a whole lot of specious logic you've got going there. 'They're smart so it should be too hard'. They gave David a video tutorial of how to run the ship.
As for killing themselves - they made a weapon, it backfired. We made nukes, and they could easily kill us all if the right conditions arise. Being smart is what made it possible.
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 23, 2016, 05:08:52 AM
Superior technology? David can't be more intelligent than an engineer they should be many times more intelligent then we are. David's IQ clocks at 350. The engineers should be somewhere around 500 to 600.
You don't know that. They'got the same DNA which means to aren't far superior to us as you think.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 02:09:13 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 23, 2016, 05:08:52 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
Superior technology? David can't be more intelligent than an engineer they should be many times more intelligent then we are. David's IQ clocks at 350. The engineers should be somewhere around 500 to 600. So there control interfaces should have sailsafes beyond even David's comprehension. I can't believe that engineers killed themselves off. How did they become this advanced in the first place? Doesn't make sense. Except if its a deliberate act from someone.
That's a whole lot of specious logic you've got going there. 'They're smart so it should be too hard'. They gave David a video tutorial of how to run the ship.
As for killing themselves - they made a weapon, it backfired. We made nukes, and they could easily kill us all if the right conditions arise. Being smart is what made it possible.
Ok but a civilization that is eons old something like 500 000 years don't just wake up one morning kill themselves off. If a God reigns over his universe he is all powerful because he controls everything down to planks constant planks time planks size . A civilization this old certainly should have reached the technological singularity hundreds of thousands of years ago. Why on earth are they still tinkering with procreation problems when by now should have the ability to control matter and energy in and outside of time ? What prevented them from reaching this? Its either that or they have only recently - say in the last 50 000 years obtained tech or reached this level of advancement still doesn't explain why they are stuck on a technological deadlock. Except maybe if they lost all females for some reason. Ok considering its only a movie .
But it is a question I feel needs addressing simply because a civilization this old certainly shouldn't be making mistakes like that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2016, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 23, 2016, 01:55:11 AM
TBH This has become more than I ever wanted it it to be. I could be wrong. But I'm not shaken by anything this guy wrote on there. Maybe he did see the movie! All I'm saying is that anyone can thread those details together from what we know and SOUND right because we already knew those details without linking them together - whether it is correct or not. He may be. Hicks says he may be. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he may know things we don't that he cannot confirm or deny.
Like you said, I can't go into any details. You guys have believed me when I scooped the Neomorphs and Franco and Pearce. I don't recall anyone coming out and giving me grieve over that. So when I tell you I think this guy is legitimate...
It's a modern phenomenon of the internet... when people don't believe the truth if it happens to deviate from their preconceptions.
So, Ridley played safe with Covenant.
Just used already established elements and
set them in motion. Most probably because people will
like that and it ll allow him to make a sequel. :D ;D
P.S. Screenwriters even used eraser technique to delete
hard parts to explain from Prometheus; Engineers and
Shaw's fate.
P.S. I ll enjoy this movie certainly, but expected Ridley would
make things clearer this time... but no. We ll have to wait for another sequel.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 23, 2016, 08:24:39 PM
So, Ridley played safe with Covenant.
Just used already established elements and
set them in motion. Most probably because people will
like that and it ll allow him to make a sequel. :D ;D
We'll see if he learned anything from Prometheus.
We ll see indeed.
I m pretty excited for this trailer.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 23, 2016, 08:33:13 PM
We ll see indeed.
I m pretty excited for this trailer.
Tomorrow!
Oh what a shame. I really liked shaw and the questions she asked about the engineers, our creation and fate. I was really excited on what would follow after the ending of prometheus; especially on how the relationship between her and david would develop. Killing her off is a lot of wasted potential in my opinion.
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 23, 2016, 02:34:05 PM
Ok but a civilization that is eons old something like 500 000 years don't just wake up one morning kill themselves off. If a God reigns over his universe he is all powerful because he controls everything down to planks constant planks time planks size . A civilization this old certainly should have reached the technological singularity hundreds of thousands of years ago. Why on earth are they still tinkering with procreation problems when by now should have the ability to control matter and energy in and outside of time ? What prevented them from reaching this? Its either that or they have only recently - say in the last 50 000 years obtained tech or reached this level of advancement still doesn't explain why they are stuck on a technological deadlock. Except maybe if they lost all females for some reason. Ok considering its only a movie .
But it is a question I feel needs addressing simply because a civilization this old certainly shouldn't be making mistakes like that.
They made an incredibly dangerous weapon that got out of their hands. The End. Everything else you're saying is pure assumption in your part that you're holding the film accountable to. Where does it say they were half a million years old? You refer to the them as gods, but the
whole point of Prometheus is that they're not. That's .... literally the major discovery of the characters regarding the Engineers.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 10:04:02 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 23, 2016, 02:34:05 PM
Ok but a civilization that is eons old something like 500 000 years don't just wake up one morning kill themselves off. If a God reigns over his universe he is all powerful because he controls everything down to planks constant planks time planks size . A civilization this old certainly should have reached the technological singularity hundreds of thousands of years ago. Why on earth are they still tinkering with procreation problems when by now should have the ability to control matter and energy in and outside of time ? What prevented them from reaching this? Its either that or they have only recently - say in the last 50 000 years obtained tech or reached this level of advancement still doesn't explain why they are stuck on a technological deadlock. Except maybe if they lost all females for some reason. Ok considering its only a movie .
But it is a question I feel needs addressing simply because a civilization this old certainly shouldn't be making mistakes like that.
They made an incredibly dangerous weapon that got out of their hands. The End. Everything else you're saying is pure assumption in your part that you're holding the film accountable to. Where does it say they were half a million years old? You refer to the them as gods, but the whole point of Prometheus is that they're not. That's .... literally the major discovery of the characters regarding the Engineers.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke.
The Engineers appeared to be Gods to our ancient civilizations. This ^^^ is all true, but the real POINT of PROMETHEUS is that we have reached a point in our Evolution which was very close to being WHERE the Engineers were (when our ancient civilizations believed them Gods). This point in the Engineers evolution, was a period when they began CREATING new life. As WE have in Prometheus - we are creating ANDROIDS, David. And they were threatened by us because they knew we would evolve to a far enough point to create life, like them. And "Doesn't everybody want to see their parents dead?" So they created something to wipe us out, but in doing so, it killed them. There is great irony in the fact that OUR CREATION would wipe them out for good. But also, with David he is telling us "Everybody wants to see their parents dead." He intends the same for us. BUT first, he will want something else.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 23, 2016, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2016, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 23, 2016, 01:55:11 AM
TBH This has become more than I ever wanted it it to be. I could be wrong. But I'm not shaken by anything this guy wrote on there. Maybe he did see the movie! All I'm saying is that anyone can thread those details together from what we know and SOUND right because we already knew those details without linking them together - whether it is correct or not. He may be. Hicks says he may be. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he may know things we don't that he cannot confirm or deny.
Like you said, I can't go into any details. You guys have believed me when I scooped the Neomorphs and Franco and Pearce. I don't recall anyone coming out and giving me grieve over that. So when I tell you I think this guy is legitimate...
It's a modern phenomenon of the internet... when people don't believe the truth if it happens to deviate from their preconceptions.
That's
not the case as far as my position is concerned, beware of the fallacy of sweeping generalisation! Neomorphs, Franco and Pierce were all eventually substantiated
beyond a forum, thus some would rather reserve analysis or serious discussion until things are officially authenticated, that's all. That's completely reasonable. This 4chan chap could indeed be correct for all I know, but I'm waiting for it all to be authenticated.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 10:04:02 PM
Everything else you're saying is pure assumption in your part that you're holding the film accountable to. Where does it say they were half a million years old? You refer to the them as gods, but the whole point of Prometheus is that they're not. That's .... literally the major discovery of the characters regarding the Engineers.
They have been seeding life on planets and they guided our evolution over millions of years in this way. So they must be many hundreds of thousands years old. If the sacrificial engineer scene happened recently then how did they create us ?
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 24, 2016, 04:24:13 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 23, 2016, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2016, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 23, 2016, 01:55:11 AM
TBH This has become more than I ever wanted it it to be. I could be wrong. But I'm not shaken by anything this guy wrote on there. Maybe he did see the movie! All I'm saying is that anyone can thread those details together from what we know and SOUND right because we already knew those details without linking them together - whether it is correct or not. He may be. Hicks says he may be. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he may know things we don't that he cannot confirm or deny.
Like you said, I can't go into any details. You guys have believed me when I scooped the Neomorphs and Franco and Pearce. I don't recall anyone coming out and giving me grieve over that. So when I tell you I think this guy is legitimate...
It's a modern phenomenon of the internet... when people don't believe the truth if it happens to deviate from their preconceptions.
That's not the case as far as my position is concerned, beware of the fallacy of sweeping generalisation! Neomorphs, Franco and Pierce were all eventually substantiated beyond a forum, thus some would rather reserve analysis or serious discussion until things are officially authenticated, that's all. That's completely reasonable. This 4chan chap could indeed be correct for all I know, but I'm waiting for it all to be authenticated.
TBH those exceptions do sort of prove the rule. Each one of them were details that didnt reference anything we knew previously. Especially the Pearce stuff. If you compare the details of that leak to what the 4chan guy says, the Pearce stuff is very specific. It describes how it happens, what surrounds them, dialogue that is spoken between characters, what it cuts away too, music, the view from the room the scene takes place in, etc etc. The Neomorph stuff did as well. It told us about spores and how they got there and two separate burstings, what they looks like, how they relate to the alien etc etc. The 4chan guy is very simplistic.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 24, 2016, 04:24:13 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Dec 23, 2016, 02:55:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2016, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 23, 2016, 01:55:11 AM
TBH This has become more than I ever wanted it it to be. I could be wrong. But I'm not shaken by anything this guy wrote on there. Maybe he did see the movie! All I'm saying is that anyone can thread those details together from what we know and SOUND right because we already knew those details without linking them together - whether it is correct or not. He may be. Hicks says he may be. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he may know things we don't that he cannot confirm or deny.
Like you said, I can't go into any details. You guys have believed me when I scooped the Neomorphs and Franco and Pearce. I don't recall anyone coming out and giving me grieve over that. So when I tell you I think this guy is legitimate...
It's a modern phenomenon of the internet... when people don't believe the truth if it happens to deviate from their preconceptions.
That's not the case as far as my position is concerned, beware of the fallacy of sweeping generalisation! Neomorphs, Franco and Pierce were all eventually substantiated beyond a forum, thus some would rather reserve analysis or serious discussion until things are officially authenticated, that's all. That's completely reasonable. This 4chan chap could indeed be correct for all I know, but I'm waiting for it all to be authenticated.
Yup - but this is about 'spoilers' not officially sanctioned information. Of course any such information should be viewed within the context it exists in, but when you have the likes of Corporal Hicks stating that this particular fella appears to be legit, it seems unproductive to start questioning the credibility of it. Better to discuss the spoilers in my humble opinion...
Reserving judgement/analysis =/= questioning, I'm waiting to see more footage and the film itself and adjudicating therefrom, more substantive and productive discussion follows from there, surely.
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 24, 2016, 03:59:23 AM
This ^^^ is all true, but the real POINT of PROMETHEUS is that we have reached a point in our Evolution which was very close to being WHERE the Engineers were (when our ancient civilizations believed them Gods).
No, it's not. At all. The point is they went looking for Gods and found more people, with all our faults.
QuoteAnd they were threatened by us because they knew we would evolve to a far enough point to create life, like them.
Where the f**k are you getting this, honestly? ??? Cos it's nowhere in the film. The film gives no answers on why they tried to do this,
that's what Shaw is trying to answer when she flies off before the credits roll.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 23, 2016, 11:03:59 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 23, 2016, 05:08:52 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
Superior technology? David can't be more intelligent than an engineer they should be many times more intelligent then we are. David's IQ clocks at 350. The engineers should be somewhere around 500 to 600. So there control interfaces should have sailsafes beyond even David's comprehension. I can't believe that engineers killed themselves off. How did they become this advanced in the first place? Doesn't make sense. Except if its a deliberate act from someone.
Sorry mood killer. I know its only a movie.
David was capable of deciphering the Engineers language within seconds.
The engineer was unable to understand a word from English without David translating.
The engineers are pretty much human when you think about it.
Just more advanced but more advanced doesn't mean "more intelligent".
We are no more intelligent than a man from 10 000 years ago.
David on the contrary, is capable of making an incredible amount of decisions within seconds.
He sure may have been limited in certain aspect as a safeguard to not fully turn against humans.
But he is pretty much the apex of evolution, the dream weyland wanted: be immortal.
Why did the engineers not have androids that were thousands of times more advanced then David? That could do trillions of calculations more than David?
If that's the case then the very ship they are on should have artificial intelligence and be sentient and be self learning . Why is this only applicable to us?
SIL you make a very very good point that the engineers are just people like we are and I never thought about it like this. But how can the creation of a creation end up seeing the mistakes of 2 generations above him when they have been around for hundreds of thousands of years as they had a hand in our evolution?
That's just bullshit as far as I am concerned. How can our creation outshine our creators? They have space faring for hundreds of thousands of years.
Oh well ....
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 24, 2016, 03:25:01 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Dec 23, 2016, 11:03:59 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Dec 23, 2016, 05:08:52 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
Superior technology? David can't be more intelligent than an engineer they should be many times more intelligent then we are. David's IQ clocks at 350. The engineers should be somewhere around 500 to 600. So there control interfaces should have sailsafes beyond even David's comprehension. I can't believe that engineers killed themselves off. How did they become this advanced in the first place? Doesn't make sense. Except if its a deliberate act from someone.
Sorry mood killer. I know its only a movie.
David was capable of deciphering the Engineers language within seconds.
The engineer was unable to understand a word from English without David translating.
The engineers are pretty much human when you think about it.
Just more advanced but more advanced doesn't mean "more intelligent".
We are no more intelligent than a man from 10 000 years ago.
David on the contrary, is capable of making an incredible amount of decisions within seconds.
He sure may have been limited in certain aspect as a safeguard to not fully turn against humans.
But he is pretty much the apex of evolution, the dream weyland wanted: be immortal.
Why did the engineers not have androids that were thousands of times more advanced then David? That could do trillions of calculations more than David?
If that's the case then the very ship they are on should have artificial intelligence and be sentient and be self learning . Why is this only applicable to us?
SIL you make a very very good point that the engineers are just people like we are and I never thought about it like this. But how can the creation of a creation end up seeing the mistakes of 2 generations above him when they have been around for hundreds of thousands of years as they had a hand in our evolution?
That's just bullshit as far as I am concerned. How can our creation outshine our creators? They have space faring for hundreds of thousands of years.
Oh well ....
It really depends on what ones perception of alien culture would be. There's no real reason to believe that a culture more ancient than our own would have automatically invested time and effort in artificial intelligence, football or fast food. Indeed, they may see artificial intelligence as repugnant form of technology. Who knows?
I guess it depends on their motivation. They don't seem friendly towards us . Perhaps they are a small faction of a very large race of beings . And they are factional due to being rejected by their civilization for some reason. Maybe they are prisoners that escaped judgment at some point. Pure speculation. .
We have yet to see the movie . But the possibility that David is the reason we have the alien - derelict and I am guessing that perhaps the alien life cycle is saddening and cheap and lazy. I am guessing Shaw will become the queen.
Ok enough of this . Off topic anyway.
Quick question but prior to these spoilers were they any indication of Paradise's geography? Set pics or the like to show it would be a lush, forested green planet?
If not then Collider may of inadvertently confirmed the validity of the spoilers in their Waterson interview.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 24, 2016, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 24, 2016, 03:59:23 AM
This ^^^ is all true, but the real POINT of PROMETHEUS is that we have reached a point in our Evolution which was very close to being WHERE the Engineers were (when our ancient civilizations believed them Gods).
No, it's not. At all. The point is they went looking for Gods and found more people, with all our faults.
QuoteAnd they were threatened by us because they knew we would evolve to a far enough point to create life, like them.
Where the f**k are you getting this, honestly? ??? Cos it's nowhere in the film. The film gives no answers on why they tried to do this, that's what Shaw is trying to answer when she flies off before the credits roll.
The first part you are confused about, I think. I'm agreeing with you. Did you read the Arthur Clarke quote, I added? It reads "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Meaning the Engineers are not GODS but because their tech was so advanced when they came to earth 2000 years ago, humankind mistook them for Gods. Im just adding to the fact that they are just flawed creatures, what the film adds, that "We are the Gods now." Weyland thought himself divine because he created David. This is all in the film. - The idea that we are advancing to reach a close cousin to them in our evolution (close not exactly but close). As a side note, its cool to watch the movie and pay attn to the hall of mirrors the Prometheus crew experience. They ponder over everything they find but it escapes them that everything about the engineers that they encounter - their engineer tech, the holograms in their ship, cryosleep, spacesuits, its all almost identical to what they have and where humans are at, only slightly less advanced than the Engineers were. The irony is they are there to ask them these serious questions about our existence and the answer is right in front of them. Would we be there if we never thought they were gods 2000 years ago? To ask the same questions? The answer is they did everything for the same reason we did. This is the irony of David trying to kill us. Its like Janek says, and also something he has experienced himself as a human being - they made something and it wiped them out. David says "doesn't everybody want to see their parents dead?" - This is a CLUE to their motivations. To what he is learning that humans are not in the circumstances. And the REASON he is able to learn that is because he has known all along that he was created "Just because we could" and humans have deluded themselves to believe their existence must have meaning, that our gods can tell us. David see's through all of that and when he says "Doesn't everyone want to see their parents dead?" He is very deliberately addressing the whole movie. Not just Vickers.
The second part of this - the part you mentioned where I said they wanted to wipe us out because they are threatened by us. That Im guessing based on David saying "Doesnt everyone want to see their parents dead?" and some things Ridley Scott mentions. The film doesnt answer that question but Ridley mentioned the PARADISE LOST stuff. In Paradise Lost. There are the Angels created by god and loved by god, until God creates Humans and loves humans, more than the angels. Some of the angles become angry and rebel, to wipe out mankind. So it seemed given those two things, that would be the reason. Our evolution threatens them. But I wouldnt deny that its not in the film. Its only suggested in subtext. TBH I don't like the idea and hope they come up with something better, but I wonder whether we will ever see that question answered at all.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
well i'm guessing the holo recorders would be a good start, either passively watch a la security cam or simply record the flight deck for 2 minutes and see what shows up in the recording. So they should be aware of whats going on. Unless David deactivates them. Then again their function was never really explained in the movie to any degree of knowing. I would also hazard a guess that much like modern day flights the Engineers will have a log of ship id and crew AND CARGO and will notice the HUGE size difference of the occupants, maybe even a flight recorder. Ultimately i think any ATC personel for any species would be suspicious of a ship, sent out decades if not more ago, suddenly just returning without so much as a "hey we did it" or "id give it 5 minutes before going in there if i was you". ya know? What would happen if a Vietnam era B-52 suddenly just appeared on radar near Dallas Fort Worth or similar and attempted to land without saying anything or giving its ID?
Also, the fact only one of them is breathing out carbon dioxide is another giveaway, and we know the engineers have the ability to create mechanisms that react to atmospheric change so they could definitely detect that subtle thing. If they don't have any of that, well screw them, they should have paid more attention to their own creations.
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Quote from: SiL on Dec 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM
How would they sense something other than an Engineer was piloting it? Hell, David can speak Engineer-ese.
Superior technology? David can't be more intelligent than an engineer they should be many times more intelligent then we are. David's IQ clocks at 350. The engineers should be somewhere around 500 to 600. So there control interfaces should have sailsafes beyond even David's comprehension. I can't believe that engineers killed themselves off. How did they become this advanced in the first place? Doesn't make sense. Except if its a deliberate act from someone.
Sorry mood killer. I know its only a movie.
David was capable of deciphering the Engineers language within seconds.
The engineer was unable to understand a word from English without David translating.
The engineers are pretty much human when you think about it.
Just more advanced but more advanced doesn't mean "more intelligent".
We are no more intelligent than a man from 10 000 years ago.
David on the contrary, is capable of making an incredible amount of decisions within seconds.
He sure may have been limited in certain aspect as a safeguard to not fully turn against humans.
But he is pretty much the apex of evolution, the dream weyland wanted: be immortal.
Why did the engineers not have androids that were thousands of times more advanced then David? That could do trillions of calculations more than David?
If that's the case then the very ship they are on should have artificial intelligence and be sentient and be self learning . Why is this only applicable to us?
SIL you make a very very good point that the engineers are just people like we are and I never thought about it like this. But how can the creation of a creation end up seeing the mistakes of 2 generations above him when they have been around for hundreds of thousands of years as they had a hand in our evolution?
That's just bullshit as far as I am concerned. How can our creation outshine our creators? They have space faring for hundreds of thousands of years.
Oh well ....
It depends on the Engineers stance, as a culture, to 'machines' and 'inorganic intelligence'. Do recall that Scott intimated that the reason the Engineer became furious and tried to kill David was because he 'touched him' and perhaps realized he was a machine.
The Engineers are creators and perhaps their canvas is exclusively the flesh. They may actively choose to shun the coldness of the machine, for whatever number of reasons. If we look to traditional and popular SciFi for answers, Frank Herbert's Dune speaks of the Butlerian Jihad. An event of great violence that had to do with the advent of artificial intelligence. W40K (strongly influenced by Dune, naturally) also has the decree that no AI may ever exist, for similar reasons in the setting that relate back to an uprising by the Men of Iron. So, they basically go the 'mentat' route of Dune with a darker twist: lobotomized convicts and other similarly grimdark 'wetware' in the place of advanced machine intelligence.
Other strings to tug here are the nature of life and having a soul. Remember, Weyland said that for all of Davids gifts and wonders he would always fall short of his creators due to the one thing he will never have: a soul. This makes me think back to Ghost in the Shell:Stand Alone Complex where the Tachikoma think tanks, slowly beginning to develop ghosts (souls), remark that 'they can never experience death, having never lived'. The Engineers sacrifice their own lives in order to create; it is an act of supreme devotion and selflessness, carried about with clear reverence. Weyland came to them to beg for extended life and as his entrance fee to immortality, his case, he presented them with a machine. A soulless automaton that could never experience death.
The machine largely stands separate from the cycle of life, and its evolution. It was created in a type of vacuum where it was not truly subject to survival of the fittest and a natural selection of desirable traits. It came to be through precise intelligent design and, without continual input from its creators, will never really progress anywhere. It will consume resources to continue to exist, but will it procreate? Will it create works of art? Will its flesh become dirt to grow new life after death?
To the Engineers, the answer may well be: 'No'. One might argue that a machine represents a cheap simulacrum to true life; That a sufficiently advanced machine, through innumerable iterations of development, would come out the other end as basically an organic being. Perhaps 'biological life' represents the pinnacle of what it means to be living.
Their culture, and arguably their religion(?), may well and truly stand in complete opposition to artificial, inorganic, life.
For whatever it's worth, just my musings on the subject.
Also, watching the extended scene of Weyland talking to the Engineer, I was under the impression it could understand Weyland. After he gives his speech to the engineer, justifying his request for immortality and as a self proclaimed god with David, that is when the Engineer turns to regard the son of man. David did no translating for any of that, yet the intent of the monologue seemed pretty clear to the Engineer.
Let me be honest, I had an info I thought to be correct regarding the Engineers massacre scene. Source claimed that there was some big fire during that scene ( quarry scene) and that "fact" alone made me doubt 4chan guys claims. Obviously my sources were shitty or maybe not.... :) ;D Supposedly it was a night scene on that location. It seems my "source" successfully made me look like idiot.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 25, 2016, 03:17:46 AM
Let me be honest, I had an info I thought to be correct regarding the Engineers massacre scene. Source claimed that there was some big fire during that scene ( quarry scene) and that "fact" alone made me doubt 4chan guys claims. Obviously my sources were shitty or maybe not.... :) ;D Supposedly it was a night scene on that location. It seems my "source" successfully made me look like idiot.
You have sources.. How??
I asked right guy who knew person very close to the production... so it was a second hand intel... :-\ :-X The original source was female. Maybe I was too stupid to believe that guy wiould tell me any verified detailes.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 25, 2016, 04:19:20 AM
I asked right guy who knew person very close to the production... so it was a second hand intel... :-\ :-X The original source was female. Maybe I was too stupid to believe that guy wiould tell me any verified detailes.
Listen... The only source you need is Corporal.. 8)
Now I know that... ;D
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 25, 2016, 03:17:46 AM
Let me be honest, I had an info I thought to be correct regarding the Engineers massacre scene. Source claimed that there was some big fire during that scene ( quarry scene) and that "fact" alone made me doubt 4chan guys claims. Obviously my sources were shitty or maybe not.... :) ;D Supposedly it was a night scene on that location. It seems my "source" successfully made me look like idiot.
Hicks, do you have something about this?
I think that those spoilers are fake. It is clearly stated in them that all Engineers were wiped out by David. However, I remember that we were promised that we will see a living Engineer and apart from that promise, there already were hired stunt actors for Engineer roles. Or I had mistaken something?
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 25, 2016, 04:26:44 AM
Now I know that... ;D
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 25, 2016, 03:17:46 AM
Let me be honest, I had an info I thought to be correct regarding the Engineers massacre scene. Source claimed that there was some big fire during that scene ( quarry scene) and that "fact" alone made me doubt 4chan guys claims. Obviously my sources were shitty or maybe not.... :) ;D Supposedly it was a night scene on that location. It seems my "source" successfully made me look like idiot.
Hicks, do you have something about this?
From what I can tell, David crashed the Juggernaut into the planet. That alone makes me doubt that he could have bombed the Engineers with black goo. I can see the goo being released as a result of the crash through (if goo is released into the environment). You would think that if he had enough piloting skill to fly over the engineers and target them that he could at least land the craft in a controlled manner.
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Quote from: Enoch on Dec 25, 2016, 04:26:44 AM
Now I know that... ;D
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 25, 2016, 03:17:46 AM
Let me be honest, I had an info I thought to be correct regarding the Engineers massacre scene. Source claimed that there was some big fire during that scene ( quarry scene) and that "fact" alone made me doubt 4chan guys claims. Obviously my sources were shitty or maybe not.... :) ;D Supposedly it was a night scene on that location. It seems my "source" successfully made me look like idiot.
Hicks, do you have something about this?
From what I can tell, David crashed the Juggernaut into the planet. That alone makes me doubt that he could have bombed the Engineers with black goo. I can see the goo being released as a result of the crash through (if goo is released into the environment). You would think that if he had enough piloting skill to fly over the engineers and target them that he could at least land the craft in a controlled manner.
Perhaps he was shot down when he attacked the Engineers?
The crash and then release of virulent makes more sense. David may be trying to resurrect Shaw for all we know.
Yeah. For all the f**ked up stuff David did, let's not forget he never directly tried to attack Shaw. He had some kind of an affinity for her, a curiosity, maybe even an attraction? (He "stole" her necklace. He targeted Holloway.) I don't know why everyone thinks he would simply use her as yet another guinea pig. That seems unlikely.
Landing an aircraft - any aircraft is the most difficult part of any flight. Especially for anyone learning to fly. Considering the Engineer ship Shaw and David escaped LV-223 in is an alien spacecraft, that's got to compound things.
Remember, David wasn't a seasoned pilot of these things. This was his first attempt at flying - and therefore landing one of these Engineer ships. The fact that he managed to get to the surface and survive (along with Shaw, presumably at this stage.) is a miracle.
I don't know if David actively carpet bombed the Engineers on their home world ala Dresden. I'm more inclined to believe the Black Goo has leaked into the environment, mutating the plants to create the spore releasing pods we see one of the Covvie crew step on. In terms of environmental disaster, this is hard to top.
On the other hand, considering the Engineers intent in 'PROMETHEUS', it's not outside the question for the Juggernaut class spacecraft to be their equivalent of a Lancaster or B-17, bomber. Using the Engineers own weapons against them is a cool idea, though.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 26, 2016, 08:41:50 PM
Landing an aircraft - any aircraft is the most difficult part of any flight. Especially for anyone learning to fly. Considering the Engineer ship Shaw and David escaped LV-223 in is an alien spacecraft, that's got to compound things.
Remember, David wasn't a seasoned pilot of these things. This was his first attempt at flying - and therefore landing one of these Engineer ships. The fact that he managed to get to the surface and survive (along with Shaw, presumably at this stage.) is a miracle.
I don't know if David actively carpet bombed the Engineers on their home world ala Dresden. I'm more inclined to believe the Black Goo has leaked into the environment, mutating the plants to create the spore releasing pods we see one of the Covvie crew step on. In terms of environmental disaster, this is hard to top.
On the other hand, considering the Engineers intent in 'PROMETHEUS', it's not outside the question for the Juggernaut class spacecraft to be their equivalent of a Lancaster or B-17, bomber. Using the Engineers own weapons against them is a cool idea, though.
-Windebieste.
at the begging of Prometheus we see the Prometheus most definitely on auto pilot. Whats not to say that the Engineers don't have a similar set up on their ships?
Also david is a robot with advanced capabilities for learning, saying he isn't an experienced pilot is like saying your home computer isnt an experienced mathematician because you haven't used calculator. Again from the weyland time line...
David 8 has valuable skills in manufacturing, finance, earth sciences and medicine, and he can become instantly competent in almost any other field.Since he's quite literally a head at the end of the movie, I'm guessing its Shaw piloting the Juggernaut at the end of the movie under Davids instruction. So, if there is not autopilot function that would suggest David isn't fixed until they crash on the new planet, and they Crash because Shaw is only human.
Then again we must never forget that most alien ships can be hacked in to using a laptop from 1995...:D
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 26, 2016, 08:41:00 PM
Yeah. For all the f**ked up stuff David did, let's not forget he never directly tried to attack Shaw. He had some kind of an affinity for her, a curiosity, maybe even an attraction? (He "stole" her necklace. He targeted Holloway.) I don't know why everyone thinks he would simply use her as yet another guinea pig. That seems unlikely.
Lets not forget that David has free will to love or hate... Walter is more likely to be the robot with the special directives.
However the main reason for wanting this to be a crash landing is to put this 4chan spoiler crap to rest about him doing a bombing run. I don't buy it. The dude probably only saw the trailer.
Quote from: ep40 on Dec 26, 2016, 07:56:49 PM
I think that those spoilers are fake. It is clearly stated in them that all Engineers were wiped out by David. However, I remember that we were promised that we will see a living Engineer and apart from that promise, there already were hired stunt actors for Engineer roles. Or I had mistaken something?
They
are living engineers (played by extras) just before David drops the goo on them.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 25, 2016, 04:26:44 AM
Now I know that... ;D
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 25, 2016, 03:17:46 AM
Let me be honest, I had an info I thought to be correct regarding the Engineers massacre scene. Source claimed that there was some big fire during that scene ( quarry scene) and that "fact" alone made me doubt 4chan guys claims. Obviously my sources were shitty or maybe not.... :) ;D Supposedly it was a night scene on that location. It seems my "source" successfully made me look like idiot.
Hicks, do you have something about this?
Enoch... are you still on about this. :laugh:
Something else I just remembered, the Corporal says someone who saw the quarry set from their office window claimed they saw a juggernaut as well. Not sure if they meant a miniature or a partially built prop like the dropship at Milford Sound. I also remember seeing really huge blue screens and a hoisting crane on a few of those quarry photographs as well.
I understand where you are coming from but my point remains unchanged. Landing any type of air/space craft IS the hardest part of the flight.
There is no way I am going to be convinced that a severely damaged robot can be 100% trusted in landing an alien spacecraft that he has no experience in doing so. Not without some risk of crashing. Sounds legit to me.
As for auto pilots, they have been a feature of aircraft for over a century now. That's 100 years. True. Look it up. ...and guess what, aircraft landings are still done manually. By pilots. As was the Prometheus landing. ;)
-Windebieste.
Maybe he crashed on purpose? Sounds silly but who knows.
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 26, 2016, 09:35:25 PM
As for auto pilots, they have been a feature of aircraft for over a century now. That's 100 years. True. Look it up. ...and guess what, aircraft landings are still done manually. By pilots. As was the Prometheus landing. ;)
-Windebieste.
Hate to be that guy but modern planes can land themselves....
Quote from: anduu on Dec 26, 2016, 10:20:42 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 26, 2016, 09:35:25 PM
As for auto pilots, they have been a feature of aircraft for over a century now. That's 100 years. True. Look it up. ...and guess what, aircraft landings are still done manually. By pilots. As was the Prometheus landing. ;)
-Windebieste.
Hate to be that guy but modern planes can land themselves....
They can also crash themselves just fine, thank you very much. :laugh:
Those systems still require a pilot for input to the systems needed to autoland.
We are getting close to pilotless aircraft just like we are on the threshold of driverless roadways.
Needless to say, Pilots are still required aboard aircraft for landings.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 26, 2016, 10:30:49 PM
Those systems still require a pilot for input to the systems needed to autoland.
We are getting close to pilotless aircraft just like we are on the threshold of driverless roadways.
Needless to say, Pilots are still required aboard aircraft for landings.
-Windebieste.
Indeed today a pilot makes a few inputs and can sit back and observe...I would think in another 100 years it would be the exception for the pilot to land manually
I see the link for 4chan is down now. Perhaps by the request of Fox?
Quote from: SiL on Dec 24, 2016, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 24, 2016, 03:59:23 AM
This ^^^ is all true, but the real POINT of PROMETHEUS is that we have reached a point in our Evolution which was very close to being WHERE the Engineers were (when our ancient civilizations believed them Gods).
No, it's not. At all. The point is they went looking for Gods and found more people, with all our faults.
QuoteAnd they were threatened by us because they knew we would evolve to a far enough point to create life, like them.
Where the f**k are you getting this, honestly? ??? Cos it's nowhere in the film. The film gives no answers on why they tried to do this, that's what Shaw is trying to answer when she flies off before the credits roll.
I have to admit, that is one of the ideas I had when the Engineer lashed out at David and made a B-line for the controls.
My reasoning, and this could all be bullshit that gets retcon'd is there last encounter with a race that had synthetic life or there own experiments with synthetics lead to the original 1979 alien being born (which is . Encountering them leads to the creation of the most dangerous weapon in the entire universe so the default response is to find that world and wipe it out. Basically, they have gone down an evolutionary path they were not supposed to and the creators disagree with it. This is why he's head to earth to bomb it at the end of Prometheus.
Prometheus gives ZERO answers, so he is just guess. Yeah, it might not fit other theories, but that is all we have and it sounds like we aren't getting any answers this time around. I am also not saying this is a good idea, but it fits with what Prometheus started, and makes David creating the modern version of the alien believable without f**king with the space jockey or introducing wormhole/time travel into this entire mess. I'd be happier with something like this than David in the chair at the end of the third movie. Again, this is all theory bullshit.
On the living engineer, it is quite possible those scene were cut during re-shoots as well. Also, by living engineers they might mean they are alive in a flashback and end up dead quickly, you see them wandering around and all that as death approaches. So, you do get to see living engineer albeit briefly.
I don't want these spoilers to be true, because I don't think it's gonna play out well. That said, I also believe Hicks when he says "this sounds like the movie". I get it, they are disappointing and maybe have wandered to far in the other direct, toward the less interesting side of the later Alien films. I think we all wanted a balance between Prometheus and Alien, and these spoilers if true are not that film.
Possibly a lot sooner than that.
Pilots will probably go the way of check out chicks at your local supermarket; and for the same reason.
They cost too much and automation is cheaper.
-Windebieste.
Maybe scenes depicting live engineers were deleted during reshots. Maybe they appear during flashback, but then again flashbacks aren't in style of Alien films, beginning of Prometheus was a different thing.
Besides Paradise planet as shown in trailers doesn't look like it was inhabited by big number of members of very advanced civilisation who died very recently, like ten years before the action of A:C. Such a view of a very lush planet would be appropriate if Engineers died centuries ago and nature had time to retake the planet.
Quote from: ep40 on Dec 26, 2016, 11:25:18 PM
Maybe scenes depicting live engineers were deleted during reshots. Maybe they appear during flashback, but then again flashbacks aren't in style of Alien films, beginning of Prometheus was a different thing.
Besides Paradise planet as shown in trailers doesn't look like it was inhabited by big number of members of very advanced civilisation who died very recently, like ten years before the action of A:C. Such a view of a very lush planet would be appropriate if Engineers died centuries ago and nature had time to retake the planet.
Or this is a sacred world. Like their garden of eden or a right of passage/worship like the Hajj. Choosing to live there means abandoning technology and adopting the old ways. Something Star Trek-ish. So maybe David just wiped out a small group of people on "pilgrimage". Again, I am typing shit out here as I think it.
Quote from: anduu on Dec 26, 2016, 10:20:42 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 26, 2016, 09:35:25 PM
As for auto pilots, they have been a feature of aircraft for over a century now. That's 100 years. True. Look it up. ...and guess what, aircraft landings are still done manually. By pilots. As was the Prometheus landing. ;)
-Windebieste.
Hate to be that guy but modern planes can land themselves....
Indeed, fully automated landings are now mandatory at many of the world's larger airports during certain weather conditions. But those airports are also equipped with the necessary CAT3 and ILS systems to facilitate an autopilot landing.
David was either shot down or he crashed on purpose. If he didn't know how to land he would have looked for an open and level area (such as where we see the Covenant's dropship set down) or a large body of water (which we also see). Doing an emergency landing up a steep, heavily wooded slope just doesn't make sense.
Hello
The 4chan post is gone. Will someone who read it please recap it here?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 26, 2016, 09:22:37 PM
Lets not forget that David has free will to love or hate... Walter is more likely to be the robot with the special directives.
However the main reason for wanting this to be a crash landing is to put this 4chan spoiler crap to rest about him doing a bombing run. I don't buy it. The dude probably only saw the trailer.
His spoilers had little at all to do with the trailer though. Specifically he gave away HUGE things that absolutely were not hinted at for even a second and didn't mention things in the trailer which would have been easy enough.
I do wonder if there was a schism amongst the Engineers. One pro-technology and one anti-technology. Perhaps the pro side bit off more than it could chew and disaster ensued? There seems to be ample evidence of that in Prometheus.
Quote from: rabidranger on Dec 28, 2016, 04:56:45 PM
I do wonder if there was a schism amongst the Engineers. One pro-technology and one anti-technology. Perhaps the pro side bit off more than it could chew and disaster ensued? There seems to be ample evidence of that in Prometheus.
Not sure about 'ample' but there is enough there regarding their changed visualization from their first appearance to their last appearance to maybe make that leap.
The 4chan guy said that
Spoiler
David drops all black goo on Engineers
, but I think that when the juggernaut
Spoiler
crashes into the mountainside that's when the black too gets released, and transforms the hillside into spores!!
Quote from: MostlyAtNight on Dec 27, 2016, 05:07:57 PM
Hello
The 4chan post is gone. Will someone who read it please recap it here?
http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9029084/1/#new
Decided to take the plunge and read the info from the above link bu 4Chan
Not sure what to say. I think I will like to see the neomorphs and the xeno but hope there is more about the Engineers.
Was hoping to learn more about them, especially how Prometheus set that up - Shaw and David going to their mysterious planet...
Hope this is not just a cheesy way to make more movies $$$$ and squeeze out the most out of the journey to the real answers....
If it is going to be exactly like 4Chan is writing then I would have cut scenes from Prometheus, condensed it and added this one to it... then make a sequel about the real engineer planet etc
Time will tell.
Also how real do you guys feel this 4Chan spoilers are?
Quote from: Bellipotens on Dec 28, 2016, 05:48:26 PM
Decided to take the plunge and read the info from the above link bu 4Chan
Not sure what to say. I think I will like to see the neomorphs and the xeno but hope there is more about the Engineers.
Was hoping to learn more about them, especially how Prometheus set that up - Shaw and David going to their mysterious planet...
Hope this is not just a cheesy way to make more movies $$$$ and squeeze out the most out of the journey to the real answers....
If it is going to be exactly like 4Chan is writing then I would have cut scenes from Prometheus, condensed it and added this one to it... then make a sequel about the real engineer planet etc
Time will tell.
Also how real do you guys feel this 4Chan spoilers are?
Hicks has at least said parts of it that had not been released before (significant parts, including the ending) match up with what his sources say happens. It doesn't mean he saw a screener (maybe he just knows bits and pieces) but there is reason to believe they are real.
Another 4chan poster say to have seen the movie....
SPOILERS ALERT!
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77934302/
So tempted to read this thread...
Calling bullshit on the last one...
I stopped reading at the first sentence, even if it's quite likely a hoax
Quote from: Prometheops on Jan 02, 2017, 08:55:27 PM
Another 4chan poster say to have seen the movie....
SPOILERS ALERT!
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77934302/
Absolutely nothing new there...just parroting what has already been said.
Nothing new there. Probably just someone trolling.
Friendly reminder that the film's tagline hints at a horribly lame plot leak being true.
Witness the creation of Fear. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Retcon of the Century?
The Alien will soon be as much of an Alien as Sting in New York.
whoooaaaa...
Quote from: skhellter on Jan 02, 2017, 11:09:41 PM
Friendly reminder that the film's tagline hints at a horribly lame plot leak being true.
Witness the creation of Fear.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Retcon of the Century?
The Alien will soon be as much of an Alien as Sting in New York.
whoooaaaa...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d27gTrPPAyk
It ceased to be 'alien' in the first movie, when it birthed from a human and became a hybrid. Hence the human skull underneath the dome.
:D
k. sure.
Quote from: Prometheops on Jan 02, 2017, 08:55:27 PM
Another 4chan poster say to have seen the movie....
SPOILERS ALERT!
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77934302/
It's just the previous leak reworded into a synopsis with some details glossed over and messed up.
Quote from: Prometheops on Jan 02, 2017, 08:55:27 PM
Another 4chan poster say to have seen the movie....
SPOILERS ALERT!
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77934302/
That actually sounds like it could be the plot, except for the
Spoiler
frozen embryos
part, and the twist you could see coming a mile away, but a good twist regardless.
I don't t know, that sounds like an interesting story to me.....
I asked Sagardoa some questions and he pm'd me back:
Spoiler
Hi!
Can't remember which alien made it up into Covenant, pretty sure it wasn't the white one with spikey back though.
They don't kill it by directly fighting it, it's sort of a cat & mouse game as they try to get it into position and then ram/knock it out of the cargo hold into space with one of the big supply crate things.
Daniels, McBride, "Walter" survive and possibly one more... I watched the trailer again, frame by frame. I noticed the girl in the shower scene looks like Callie Hernandez BUT I was certain Hernandez' character was the girl who stayed up in orbit with McBride on Covenant. Seeing the trailer made me question my memory on that. Anyways, I can't remember if that character,(whoever stays with McBride on Covenant) survived or not.
Quote from: Prometheops on Jan 02, 2017, 08:55:27 PM
Another 4chan poster say to have seen the movie....
SPOILERS ALERT!
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77934302/
Another, non-detailed guessing spoiler.
Spoiler
it says crewmen are infected, then they are taken back to the Covenant and put in quarantaine, the neomorphs burst out of the crewmen forcing them to run into the forrest (while they are in quarantain on the Covenant, go figure)
its clear that the dropship will explode as seen in the trailers, there is one crewmember that is infected with the spores and is being quarantined on that dropship, making for the gunning scene in the cargo hold and eventually blowing herself up.
the captain is getting facehugged and then i think taken back to the Covenant wich sets of the birth of the xenomorph.
Those spoilers oppose themselves. Details are divergent. In one spoiler
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Daniels and Tennessee kill proto-Xenomorph on Covenant while in the other they do that inside Engineers citadel.
When Prometheus' plot was spoiled way back when I refused to believe it because it sounded way too dumb. Especially Weyland being whacked by his android's head, that I just couldn't accept being real. Until I saw the movie. So I tend to believe the leaks now as my initial reaction to them is much the same. Especially the
Spoiler
albino neomorphs who can shoot spikes from their backs
sound so silly that it must be true. But then again, it sounds like Covenant will at least be a much tighter movie than its predecessor, and I'm still curious if they are really going to go the route they seem to be going with the story. (If they do, I don't think I will be rewatching Alien much again)
Prometheus had so much stupid stuff we can't use logic against any ridiculous rumor for Al Covenant..
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 04, 2017, 11:35:22 AM
I asked Sagardoa some questions and he pm'd me back:
Spoiler
Hi!
Can't remember which alien made it up into Covenant, pretty sure it wasn't the white one with spikey back though.
They don't kill it by directly fighting it, it's sort of a cat & mouse game as they try to get it into position and then ram/knock it out of the cargo hold into space with one of the big supply crate things.
Daniels, McBride, "Walter" survive and possibly one more... I watched the trailer again, frame by frame. I noticed the girl in the shower scene looks like Callie Hernandez BUT I was certain Hernandez' character was the girl who stayed up in orbit with McBride on Covenant. Seeing the trailer made me question my memory on that. Anyways, I can't remember if that character,(whoever stays with McBride on Covenant) survived or not.
Another
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unused idea from Alien . Love to see it though. I am over the initial disappointment now.
. .in regards to what was that responce. . What was the quastion my home soil buddy?
.apologies. .never mind, i only noticed now how much has deleloped since i last checked this thread. .
*nevermind. This was in response to a post that got deleted.
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They don't kill it by directly fighting it, it's sort of a cat & mouse game as they try to get it into position and then ram/knock it out of the cargo hold into space with one of the big supply crate things.
You can actually see that bit in the trailer at 1:38. There's a "crushing warning" notice on the machinery and a suited-up Daniels ducks below to avoid it. You can also see that the atmosphere is being vented from the cargo hold.
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Come to think of it, isn't that how you got rid of the Queen in ACM? A cat and mouse game in order to get to some kind of cargo catapult that shoots her out the hangar?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 05, 2017, 11:54:18 AM
*nevermind. This was in response to a post that got deleted.
Sorry. :(
Corporal Hicks needs to confiscate Himmel's delete button.
Just realized I have an account on here. Been lurking around.
I wanted to comment that one of the thing about the Engineers that I think alien-covenant.com isn't touching on is the easter egg presented to us in Aliens: Colonial Marines. I know a lot of people didn't like the game, but like it or not, it's canon. The easter egg is going into the engineer bomber and shooting the pilot chair. A holo-recording pops up showing an engineer bomber and transport ship shooting back at one another indicating that there was indeed a civil war going on between the engineers which would explain why one wanted to create humanity while the other wanted to destroy. I'm guessing that's the symbolism between the engineers in the biomechanical suits that have a dark nature to them and the sacrificial engineers who appear as white and divine in the opening sequence. Dark engineers wanting to undo everything the sacrificial engineers had done, hence wanting to destroy earth.
Anyways, on to the 4 chan thing. In one sequence it states that David drops the goo on the engineers stating that to create one must first destroy. Then there's another conflicting statement that says he instead crashes the ship and the goo is released. So it does detract from his credbility and I do hope that the 4chan post is false because it's a huge let-down. The original premise for Prometheus, like the movie or not, was Shaw's search for origins and answers. Even though Prometheus was not a very good movie, I think the idea of Ridley going in a different direction is a bad idea. We should be continuing with the search. The best way to get the answers you seek is to become the thing you're looking for. I really hope the 4chan spoiler isn't true in that Shaw is murdered by David. I just don't see it happening since he had a particular fondness for her, even if somewhat creepy. So that's conflicting at best.
Here's hoping that so-called leak isn't true. If its true, then I think it's safe to say the franchise really is done with.
ETA: excuse this post of it jumps all over the place. I was typing this on the fly.
:laugh: :D ;D
Quote from: Dsparil on Jan 15, 2017, 08:00:46 PM
Just realized I have an account on here. Been lurking around.
....Aliens: Colonial Marines. I know a lot of people didn't like the game, but like it or not, it's canon....
No...it is not.
Yeah, Fox pretty much ditched A:CM at this point.
Only videogame that has a chance at being considered "canon" is Alien Isolation..
and that's only because Siggy likes it/was involved in making it.
and it's still a long shot.
That's all hype/buzz nonsense.
Fox does not care two shits about comics, games, or novels. Just like Paramount does not care when it comes to Trek. (The moment Star Trek Into Darkness came out it invalidated over half of the comics that had been released between 09 and ID.)
None of the EU is "canon" because Fox will contradict it on a whim to tell a mainstream story. They most likely won't even know they've done it, either. It is that simple.
Even though they produced it? o.O
Do you think that Ridley Scott, Fox Producers, or any of the writers on the new films coming actually read the books, or novels, or play the games?
If you do, I have a bridge to sell ya.
Just checked up on it. Fox has stated its canon and the official sequel to Aliens. Sorry :)
As I understand it, only the releases referenced in the WYR timeline (plus all releases after the WYR was published) are considered canon at the.moment.
Quote from: Dsparil on Jan 15, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Just checked up on it. Fox has stated its canon and the official sequel to Aliens. Sorry :)
Until Alien 5 comes along and completely invalidates it. Which is the intention. Sorry :)
Hate to break it to you, but covenant comes out before that. ;)
Let's stop with the passive aggression, gents. Thanks.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 15, 2017, 10:18:37 PM
Let's stop with the passive aggression, gents. Thanks.
Sorry, Hicks.
Quote from: Dsparil on Jan 15, 2017, 09:57:34 PM
Just checked up on it. Fox has stated its canon and the official sequel to Aliens. Sorry :)
"Here, here, it's canon. That means you guys will buy it right? Ok then it's "canon". Whatever that means!"
It's canon right up till the moment they decide to replace it with new canon. That's how it works... they don't really give a s**t about it as long as we buy it. And to be fair, that's probably the best way to treat anything that's not a film.
I have updated the OP with an archived link to the spoiler thread. (http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77400017)
More info from sagardoa!!
I asked:
Do you know how the xeno gets on the covenant, and how it happens. Spoiler
When Tennessee goes down in a small drop ship to rescue survivors, an alien jumps onto the ship as they take off and starts breaking in. Daniels goes out onto the ship, (tethered to a cable) and manages to knock it off the ship. So, I guess there was a second, unseen alien hiding somewhere on the ship for the ride up, (you don't see exactly where it came from).
Spoiler
Opening scene is a couple minutes or so and it's young Weyland, (Guy Pearce) and David having a conversation in his office(?). You see this shot in the trailer but they don't show Pearce.
Next scene is Covenant travelling through space and on bottom of screen they show ship's info like, name, purpose,(colony ship), number of passengers and destination planet, (LV???). Walter is piloting the ship alone and out of nowhere....BAM!! Covenant gets rocked by some kind of blast wave. Ship gets damaged pretty badly and Walter wakes up the lead crew members from cryo sleep to help. One crew member is stuck in his cryo chamber and dies in it.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 29, 2017, 12:01:16 AM
More info from sagardoa!!
I asked:
Do you know how the xeno gets on the covenant, and how it happens.
Spoiler
When Tennessee goes down in a small drop ship to rescue survivors, an alien jumps onto the ship as they take off and starts breaking in. Daniels goes out onto the ship, (tethered to a cable) and manages to knock it off the ship. So, I guess there was a second, unseen alien hiding somewhere on the ship for the ride up, (you don't see exactly where it came from).
and the beginning of the film how does it start.
Spoiler
Opening scene is a couple minutes or so and it's young Weyland, (Guy Pearce) and David having a conversation in his office(?). You see this shot in the trailer but they don't show Pearce.
Next scene is Covenant travelling through space and on bottom of screen they show ship's info like, name, purpose,(colony ship), number of passengers and destination planet, (LV???). Walter is piloting the ship alone and out of nowhere....BAM!! Covenant gets rocked by some kind of blast wave. Ship gets damaged pretty badly and Walter wakes up the lead crew members from cryo sleep to help. One crew member is stuck in his cryo chamber and dies in it.
Spoiler
Guess that stuck crew member is Franco.
Quote from: Anthony on Jan 29, 2017, 03:44:13 AM
Spoiler
Guess that stuck crew member is Franco.
Definitely.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 29, 2017, 12:01:16 AM
More info from sagardoa!!
I asked:
Do you know how the xeno gets on the covenant, and how it happens.
Spoiler
When Tennessee goes down in a small drop ship to rescue survivors, an alien jumps onto the ship as they take off and starts breaking in. Daniels goes out onto the ship, (tethered to a cable) and manages to knock it off the ship. So, I guess there was a second, unseen alien hiding somewhere on the ship for the ride up, (you don't see exactly where it came from).
and the beginning of the film how does it start.
Spoiler
Opening scene is a couple minutes or so and it's young Weyland, (Guy Pearce) and David having a conversation in his office(?). You see this shot in the trailer but they don't show Pearce.
Next scene is Covenant travelling through space and on bottom of screen they show ship's info like, name, purpose,(colony ship), number of passengers and destination planet, (LV???). Walter is piloting the ship alone and out of nowhere....BAM!! Covenant gets rocked by some kind of blast wave. Ship gets damaged pretty badly and Walter wakes up the lead crew members from cryo sleep to help. One crew member is stuck in his cryo chamber and dies in it.
Spoiler
Those spoilers remind me of the unofficial Aliens sequel "Pitch Black".
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 29, 2017, 12:01:16 AM
More info from sagardoa!!
I asked:
Do you know how the xeno gets on the covenant, and how it happens.
Spoiler
When Tennessee goes down in a small drop ship to rescue survivors, an alien jumps onto the ship as they take off and starts breaking in. Daniels goes out onto the ship, (tethered to a cable) and manages to knock it off the ship. So, I guess there was a second, unseen alien hiding somewhere on the ship for the ride up, (you don't see exactly where it came from).
Quote from: MajorB on Jan 25, 2017, 09:13:42 AM
I have updated the OP with an archived link to the spoiler thread. (http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77400017)
and the beginning of the film how does it start.
Spoiler
Opening scene is a couple minutes or so and it's young Weyland, (Guy Pearce) and David having a conversation in his office(?). You see this shot in the trailer but they don't show Pearce.
Next scene is Covenant travelling through space and on bottom of screen they show ship's info like, name, purpose,(colony ship), number of passengers and destination planet, (LV???). Walter is piloting the ship alone and out of nowhere....BAM!! Covenant gets rocked by some kind of blast wave. Ship gets damaged pretty badly and Walter wakes up the lead crew members from cryo sleep to help. One crew member is stuck in his cryo chamber and dies in it.
Compiled these on here. http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9029084/ (http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9029084/)
At this rate I don't think anyone will need to see the film. :laugh:
Quote from: System Apollo on Jan 29, 2017, 09:11:01 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 29, 2017, 12:01:16 AM
More info from sagardoa!!
I asked:
Do you know how the xeno gets on the covenant, and how it happens.
Spoiler
When Tennessee goes down in a small drop ship to rescue survivors, an alien jumps onto the ship as they take off and starts breaking in. Daniels goes out onto the ship, (tethered to a cable) and manages to knock it off the ship. So, I guess there was a second, unseen alien hiding somewhere on the ship for the ride up, (you don't see exactly where it came from).
Quote from: MajorB on Jan 25, 2017, 09:13:42 AM
I have updated the OP with an archived link to the spoiler thread. (http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77400017)
and the beginning of the film how does it start.
Spoiler
Opening scene is a couple minutes or so and it's young Weyland, (Guy Pearce) and David having a conversation in his office(?). You see this shot in the trailer but they don't show Pearce.
Next scene is Covenant travelling through space and on bottom of screen they show ship's info like, name, purpose,(colony ship), number of passengers and destination planet, (LV???). Walter is piloting the ship alone and out of nowhere....BAM!! Covenant gets rocked by some kind of blast wave. Ship gets damaged pretty badly and Walter wakes up the lead crew members from cryo sleep to help. One crew member is stuck in his cryo chamber and dies in it.
Compiled these on here. http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9029084/ (http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9029084/)
At this rate I don't think anyone will need to see the film. :laugh:
True, I've asked him some final questions.
You have? If you share them I'll compile them onto the thread then. Thank you so much for doing that too by the way. :)
Quote from: System Apollo on Jan 29, 2017, 11:18:17 PM
You have? If you share them I'll compile them onto the thread then. Thank you so much for doing that too by the way. :)
Welcome. :)
Quote from: System Apollo on Jan 29, 2017, 09:11:01 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 29, 2017, 12:01:16 AM
More info from sagardoa!!
I asked:
Do you know how the xeno gets on the covenant, and how it happens.
Spoiler
When Tennessee goes down in a small drop ship to rescue survivors, an alien jumps onto the ship as they take off and starts breaking in. Daniels goes out onto the ship, (tethered to a cable) and manages to knock it off the ship. So, I guess there was a second, unseen alien hiding somewhere on the ship for the ride up, (you don't see exactly where it came from).
Quote from: MajorB on Jan 25, 2017, 09:13:42 AM
I have updated the OP with an archived link to the spoiler thread. (http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77400017)
and the beginning of the film how does it start.
Spoiler
Opening scene is a couple minutes or so and it's young Weyland, (Guy Pearce) and David having a conversation in his office(?). You see this shot in the trailer but they don't show Pearce.
Next scene is Covenant travelling through space and on bottom of screen they show ship's info like, name, purpose,(colony ship), number of passengers and destination planet, (LV???). Walter is piloting the ship alone and out of nowhere....BAM!! Covenant gets rocked by some kind of blast wave. Ship gets damaged pretty badly and Walter wakes up the lead crew members from cryo sleep to help. One crew member is stuck in his cryo chamber and dies in it.
Compiled these on here. http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9029084/ (http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9029084/)
At this rate I don't think anyone will need to see the film. :laugh:
After reading these spoilers I question even seeing the movie. I know I will get shit for being pessimistic, but that sounds more like the rough outline for a crappy Alien comic than it does an actual movie. I know I'll still go see it, but its moved from a film I was going to make time to see, to one that I will see if i can find the time.
Sad. It could have been interesting. Now it is David staring in the Alien version of "The Island of Doctor Moreau".
I gotta say that sounds somewhat interesting tough :P can we get a little bit of colonel Kurtz sprinkled in there as well perhaps?
Quote from: bobby brown on Jan 30, 2017, 04:22:24 PM
I gotta say that sounds somewhat interesting tough :P can we get a little bit of colonel Kurtz sprinkled in there as well perhaps?
"Horror, has a face..."
Quote from: fiveways on Jan 30, 2017, 04:17:04 PM
Quote from: System Apollo on Jan 29, 2017, 09:11:01 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 29, 2017, 12:01:16 AM
More info from sagardoa!!
I asked:
Do you know how the xeno gets on the covenant, and how it happens.
Spoiler
When Tennessee goes down in a small drop ship to rescue survivors, an alien jumps onto the ship as they take off and starts breaking in. Daniels goes out onto the ship, (tethered to a cable) and manages to knock it off the ship. So, I guess there was a second, unseen alien hiding somewhere on the ship for the ride up, (you don't see exactly where it came from).
Quote from: MajorB on Jan 25, 2017, 09:13:42 AM
I have updated the OP with an archived link to the spoiler thread. (http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77400017)
and the beginning of the film how does it start.
Spoiler
Opening scene is a couple minutes or so and it's young Weyland, (Guy Pearce) and David having a conversation in his office(?). You see this shot in the trailer but they don't show Pearce.
Next scene is Covenant travelling through space and on bottom of screen they show ship's info like, name, purpose,(colony ship), number of passengers and destination planet, (LV???). Walter is piloting the ship alone and out of nowhere....BAM!! Covenant gets rocked by some kind of blast wave. Ship gets damaged pretty badly and Walter wakes up the lead crew members from cryo sleep to help. One crew member is stuck in his cryo chamber and dies in it.
Compiled these on here. http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9029084/ (http://hub.globalavp.info/topic/9029084/)
At this rate I don't think anyone will need to see the film. :laugh:
After reading these spoilers I question even seeing the movie. I know I will get shit for being pessimistic, but that sounds more like the rough outline for a crappy Alien comic than it does an actual movie. I know I'll still go see it, but its moved from a film I was going to make time to see, to one that I will see if i can find the time.
Sad. It could have been interesting. Now it is David staring in the Alien version of "The Island of Doctor Moreau".
So very very true. Hopefully it gets it does well enough to give potential for something better to come along in the series.
So the Engineers are nothing more than a convenient, quickly forgotten plot point in a slasher movie?
OK, so predictable....
We need to remember there's another 2 films coming after this. Covenant seems to be about
Spoiler
showing some of Aliens be created or recreated.
Some major info from Sagardoa that was just passed to me....
I Asked:
In the trailer it shows Crudup getting facehugged. What happens after, and when does it come out of him?? Spoiler
He gets killed by the same facehugger when some other characters try to get it off him...well, they do get it off him but it still kills him.
Spoiler
Franco's character dies in the opening. Do they keep his body or jettison it ala Alien Kane's Body??
Spoiler
The crew wants to have a funeral for him and Cruddup's character, for some reason,(can't remember) doesn't want there to be a funeral. The crew goes ahead anyway with a funeral and they do end up jettisoning the body into space after the funeral. Because of the crew disobeying Cruddup, he starts to have some kind of "crisis of leadership" moment and has a talk with Daniels about it....personally I thought that bit was dumb, hope they take it out!
Spoiler
I remembered the shower scene but I couldn't place it, (in time) in the movie. It was after a big tension & action piece though and it was basically the characters thinking everything was back to normal and ended up having an intimate moment. It works in the story so it's not like they're just having a random hook up in the middle of everything.
I think I have the timing down though. If that is Callie Hernandez in the shower scene, (I still can't make her out 100% though) that means she & the black dude are up on Covenant since she never went down to the planet. In the trailer you can see her right next to McBride at :49s-:50s.
The black dude must have made it back up to Covenant when McBride went down to pick up survivors. He's Callie's husband and the big action/tension scene was escaping the planet, making it back to Covenant. Callie and black dude have their moment on Covenant since everybody's guard is down and completely unaware an alien has sneaked aboard.Those pic of the eggs. Is David the one who did it or is there a queen there?? Spoiler
It seemed David was responsible for the eggs, no alien queen in the movie ...after everyone goes back into cryo, David is revealed and he pulls out a cryo/storage/drawer thing and you see human embryos and a few alien embryos too.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 31, 2017, 11:01:05 AM
Some major info from Sagardoa that was just passed to me....
I Asked:
In the trailer it shows Crudup getting facehugged. What happens after, and when does it come out of him??
Spoiler
He gets killed by the same facehugger when some other characters try to get it off him...well, they do get it off him but it still kills him.
I like what happened to Crudup after getting facehugged ;)
I wonder how...
Spoiler
the black goo kills the engineers. Do they disintegrate, like the engineer in the opening of Prometheus? I suppose not, because you can still see their bodies.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifiaddicts.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F05%2FAlien_Covenant_leaked_photo_4.jpg&hash=35975ceefacb9b24827eb39e439837058071bca0)
Do they mutate and become highly aggressive, like Fifield? Doesn't seem like it. They don't look mutated. I hope it's explained in the movie.
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 13, 2017, 05:11:06 PM
I wonder how...
Spoiler
the black goo kills the engineers. Do they disintegrate, like the engineer in the opening of Prometheus? I suppose not, because you can still see their bodies.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifiaddicts.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F05%2FAlien_Covenant_leaked_photo_4.jpg&hash=35975ceefacb9b24827eb39e439837058071bca0)
Do they mutate and become highly aggressive, like Fifield? Doesn't seem like it. They don't look mutated. I hope it's explained in the movie.
Spoiler
I think it will be similar to the victims of Pompeii that were encased in the ash from the volcano. And now I wish that we could get a Black Goo Volcano
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 13, 2017, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 13, 2017, 05:11:06 PM
I wonder how...
Spoiler
the black goo kills the engineers. Do they disintegrate, like the engineer in the opening of Prometheus? I suppose not, because you can still see their bodies.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifiaddicts.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F05%2FAlien_Covenant_leaked_photo_4.jpg&hash=35975ceefacb9b24827eb39e439837058071bca0)
Do they mutate and become highly aggressive, like Fifield? Doesn't seem like it. They don't look mutated. I hope it's explained in the movie.
Spoiler
I think it will be similar to the victims of Pompeii that were encased in the ash from the volcano. And now I wish that we could get a Black Goo Volcano
That would be interesting. Almost seems like the black goo has a consciousness. Especially in that shot where it enters Rigby's ear.
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 13, 2017, 05:20:05 PM
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 13, 2017, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 13, 2017, 05:11:06 PM
I wonder how...
Spoiler
the black goo kills the engineers. Do they disintegrate, like the engineer in the opening of Prometheus? I suppose not, because you can still see their bodies.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifiaddicts.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F05%2FAlien_Covenant_leaked_photo_4.jpg&hash=35975ceefacb9b24827eb39e439837058071bca0)
Do they mutate and become highly aggressive, like Fifield? Doesn't seem like it. They don't look mutated. I hope it's explained in the movie.
Spoiler
I think it will be similar to the victims of Pompeii that were encased in the ash from the volcano. And now I wish that we could get a Black Goo Volcano
That would be interesting. Almost seems like the black goo has a consciousness. Especially in that shot where it enters Rigby's ear.
The actor from the trailer looks older than Rigby to me. Looks more like Goran D.. Kleut
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 13, 2017, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 13, 2017, 05:20:05 PM
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 13, 2017, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 13, 2017, 05:11:06 PM
I wonder how...
Spoiler
the black goo kills the engineers. Do they disintegrate, like the engineer in the opening of Prometheus? I suppose not, because you can still see their bodies.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifiaddicts.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F05%2FAlien_Covenant_leaked_photo_4.jpg&hash=35975ceefacb9b24827eb39e439837058071bca0)
Do they mutate and become highly aggressive, like Fifield? Doesn't seem like it. They don't look mutated. I hope it's explained in the movie.
Spoiler
I think it will be similar to the victims of Pompeii that were encased in the ash from the volcano. And now I wish that we could get a Black Goo Volcano
That would be interesting. Almost seems like the black goo has a consciousness. Especially in that shot where it enters Rigby's ear.
The actor from the trailer looks older than Rigby to me. Looks more like Goran D.. Kleut
Pretty sure that's Rigby. He's also the one to get a Neomorph burst out of his back.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scified.com%2Fmedia%2Falien--covenant-trailer-screenshots-27882.jpg&hash=70115d0558ff9d4196a8565f3a598fe95916cb95)
It is Rigby.
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 13, 2017, 06:08:18 PM
Pretty sure that's Rigby. He's also the one to get a Neomorph burst out of his back.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scified.com%2Fmedia%2Falien--covenant-trailer-screenshots-27882.jpg&hash=70115d0558ff9d4196a8565f3a598fe95916cb95)
Rigby is on that picture but I think backburster comes out of Goran D. Kleut.
Backburster is Rigby too.
Ah, okay. Was probably the angle that made me confuse Rigby for Kleut. Wouldn't be surprised if he got the throatburster though.
I'm curious if we'll see this thing in the movie. It was leaked some time ago. Seems similar to the giant head in the ampule room from Prometheus. However, none of the leaks mention anything like this in Covenant.
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/12935109_1702911426629156_346912959_n.jpg)
Also, it looks different from this one:
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOyXKIvx.jpg&hash=c6e662f4ecf21291c4cbc16ec9beb38aa4afd513)
So, what could it be from?
Maybe when the Covenant crew find the remains of the Engineer citadel?
That's a possibility, but then why does it look different from the other head in the citadel?
Perhaps that was the paint job.
Well, it has a very different shape too.
It does seem to be unfinished. The end result would look very similar to this, I think:
(https://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/prometheus-vertical-head.jpg)
But why would it be used for Covenant?
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 26, 2017, 04:47:52 PM
That's a possibility, but then why does it look different from the other head in the citadel?
Easiest bet is that there are multiple in the citadel.
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If recent reports are correct, we might never find out what they are for. Larger percent chance if they took out all the engineers, they will edit this stuff out as well.
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 19, 2016, 05:18:04 AM
Another 4chan user claims to have recently seen a post-reshoot cut of the film. (http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/77400017)
EDIT: The original thread is dead, here is an archive link. (http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77400017)
I only read the first post of this thread but here in France I know someone who has been able to see a big part of the movie. He and others were invited to a private session.
Quote from: T888 on Feb 27, 2017, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 19, 2016, 05:18:04 AM
Another 4chan user claims to have recently seen a post-reshoot cut of the film. (http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/77400017)
EDIT: The original thread is dead, here is an archive link. (http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77400017)
I only read the first post of this thread but here in France I know someone who has been able to see a big part of the movie. He and others were invited to a private session.
What were their impressions of it?
Quote from: jdxmoore on Feb 27, 2017, 11:08:56 AM
Quote from: T888 on Feb 27, 2017, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: MajorB on Dec 19, 2016, 05:18:04 AM
Another 4chan user claims to have recently seen a post-reshoot cut of the film. (http://boards.4chan.org/tv/thread/77400017)
EDIT: The original thread is dead, here is an archive link. (http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77400017)
I only read the first post of this thread but here in France I know someone who has been able to see a big part of the movie. He and others were invited to a private session.
What were their impressions of it?
I'll ask him. :)
Can you find out too please if they have included the scene of the juggernaut bombing the engineers at the start of screening.
I'd really like to know how much of the movie is devoted to continuing the storyline from Prometheus, and how much the setup of the next movie might be Prometheus-y.
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Feb 28, 2017, 04:37:47 AM
Can you find out too please if they have included the scene of the juggernaut bombing the engineers at the start of screening.
It'd probably have been the Showcase event in which case they wouldn't have seen that sequence.
I have asked him.
He has responded (in french, no time now to translate but I'll do it later today):
Grosso modo, vu deux séquences : l'arrivée du Covenant sur la planète, logiquement quelque part entre les séquences équivalentes d'Alien et Prometheus, et une séquence plus longue de backburster et de throatburster, dans un montage parallèle extérieur / intérieur vaisseau. S'en suit, en intérieur, une scène de chasse avec le xénomorphe fraîchement né.
Après, que dire d'autre... ? Le film pose déjà certains enjeux, autour de la planète ('Paradise"), qui est d'apparence un jardin d'Eden perdu et corrompu. La planète est très différente de LV-426 et ou LV-223.. Contrairement au Nostromo ou au Prometheus, le Covenant est un vaisseau de colonisateurs, donc amène avec lui toute l'imagerie du nouveau monde, on s'en rend aussi compte dans le développement des personnages. Il y a à bord quelques milliers d'humains en hyper-sommeil - potentiellement autant d'hôtes pour les xénomorphes.
Dans la principale séquence d'action que j'ai vu, Covenant se rapproche évidemment davantage d'Alien : caméra épaule dans les coursives étroites, sound-design plus agressif, montage serré ; thématiquement, le film reste dans la continuité de Prometheus.
And about your 2 questions, he is responding right now.
Quote from: T888 on Feb 28, 2017, 09:18:01 AM
I have asked him.
He has responded (in french, no time now to translate but I'll do it later today):
I got you covered:
Roughly, seen two sequences: the arrival of the Covenant on the planet, logically somewhere between the equivalent sequences of Alien and Prometheus, and a longer sequence of backburster and throatburster, in a parallel external / vessel interior assembly. A hunting scene followed with a freshly born xenomorph.
After that, what else can I say? The film is already posing some stakes, around the planet (Paradise), which is apparently a lost and corrupted Garden of Eden. The planet is very different from LV-426 and or LV-223 .. Unlike the Nostromo Or the Prometheus, the Covenant is a ship of colonizers, bringing with it all the imagery of the new world, we also realize it in the development of the characters.There are aboard thousands of humans in hyper- Sleep - potentially as many hosts for xenomorphs.
In the main sequence of action I've seen, Covenant obviously comes closer to Alien: shoulder camera in narrow corridors, more aggressive sound-design, tight fitting; Thematically, the film remains in the continuity of Prometheus.
Yeah, sounds like he was at one of the Showcase events.
And it sounds fairly positive...
...Engineer101 returns?
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 28, 2017, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: T888 on Feb 28, 2017, 09:18:01 AM
I have asked him.
He has responded (in french, no time now to translate but I'll do it later today):
I got you covered:
Roughly, seen two sequences: the arrival of the Covenant on the planet, logically somewhere between the equivalent sequences of Alien and Prometheus, and a longer sequence of backburster and throatburster, in a parallel external / vessel interior assembly. A hunting scene followed with a freshly born xenomorph.
After that, what else can I say? The film is already posing some stakes, around the planet (Paradise), which is apparently a lost and corrupted Garden of Eden. The planet is very different from LV-426 and or LV-223 .. Unlike the Nostromo Or the Prometheus, the Covenant is a ship of colonizers, bringing with it all the imagery of the new world, we also realize it in the development of the characters.There are aboard thousands of humans in hyper- Sleep - potentially as many hosts for xenomorphs.
In the main sequence of action I've seen, Covenant obviously comes closer to Alien: shoulder camera in narrow corridors, more aggressive sound-design, tight fitting; Thematically, the film remains in the continuity of Prometheus.
Merci pour ce boulot!
However guys I don't have the rest of his answer yet.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.noelshack.com%2Ffichiers%2F2017%2F09%2F1488307177-15151158-10210446391413588-1440527328-n.jpeg&hash=ad36727380823eefec63df704cf42bccd4fe69ec)
I just found this reply in one of the 4chan threads:
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Folks, let me do you all a favor and clear up a misconception: there are indeed two factions of engineers (at least, those relevant to our story). The rebels are housed on this planet, which David murders. This is why there is one citadel and only a few thousand Engineers living in the city. You will all see a scene where many Engineers look up the sky confused as they see the Derilict come and drop the vases full of black goo. So this is simply a rebel faction and not the real race of Engineer
Sounds interesting. I don't know if this guy has actually seen the movie or if he's just speculating, but I'm throwing it in here anyway just to be sure.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 29, 2017, 07:29:56 PM
I just found this reply in one of the 4chan threads:
Spoiler
Folks, let me do you all a favor and clear up a misconception: there are indeed two factions of engineers (at least, those relevant to our story). The rebels are housed on this planet, which David murders. This is why there is one citadel and only a few thousand Engineers living in the city. You will all see a scene where many Engineers look up the sky confused as they see the Derilict come and drop the vases full of black goo. So this is simply a rebel faction and not the real race of Engineer
Sounds interesting. I don't know if this guy has actually seen the movie or if he's just speculating, but I'm throwing it in here anyway just to be sure.
I'd be into this, I guess, but none of the previous screening spoilers indicate that there's anything to confirm this very specific distinction. We've also been told the scene he describes has been removed from the most recent cut of the film that screened, so who knows. We'll find out soon enough!
Got a link?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2017, 08:25:41 PM
Got a link?
Here you go: https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77934302/ :)
Has this been written by the same person who had seen the screening? I'm getting confused with this 4chan forum. No nicknames. Everyone's anonymous.
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 29, 2017, 08:33:51 PM
Has this been written by the same person who had seen the screening? I'm getting confused with this 4chan forum. No nicknames. Everyone's anonymous.
Since the internet is without tone, I can't tell if you are serious or not.
4Chan doesn't have user registration. Part of the idea of it is remaining anonymous. There are a variety of reason for this approach. Registration isn't even possible beyond staff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 29, 2017, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2017, 08:25:41 PM
Got a link?
Here you go: https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77934302/ :)
I've said this before on another thread, but it's strange how Crudup's name is "Archer" and not Oram.
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 29, 2017, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 29, 2017, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2017, 08:25:41 PM
Got a link?
Here you go: https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77934302/ :)
I've said this before on another thread, but it's strange how Crudup's name is "Archer" and not Oram.
That is weird.
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 29, 2017, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 29, 2017, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 29, 2017, 08:25:41 PM
Got a link?
Here you go: https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/77934302/ :)
I've said this before on another thread, but it's strange how Crudup's name is "Archer" and not Oram.
Well if the person only saw it once and didn't write down notes, I can see how he thinks it was Archer and nor Oram. Oram is an unusual surname for sure.
Seems less than legit. There's no reason for there to be a piece of exposition about
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dead 'rebel' Engineers -
it's just fanfic from these boards, trying to impose a different structure on a backstory that is barely there or carried over which they don't care for. That's how we get people going on claiming those weren't the 'real' space jockeys or that there is some Engineer civil war (a la a bad Star Trek novel), or whatever. It's all just fans trying to 'fix' something.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 05:30:12 AM
Seems less than legit. There's no reason for there to be a piece of exposition about Spoiler
dead 'rebel' Engineers -
I'm with you, at least in regard to the Space Jockey. As much as I'd love to see a Giger-esque Space Jockey, it makes no sense at all, for RS to go to all the trouble of setting up the idea of an Engineer being the Space Jockey in Prometheus, if he's just going to retcon the idea in future films.
The notion of their being a higher race above the Engineers is a possibility, based on what RS has said himself, but I'm not convinced it's a theme that will ever be explored. Although I'm quite happy to be proven wrong on both counts.
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We still don't know if the claims, from earlier test screenings, that David bombed the citadel with the 2nd Juggernaut, are true. And if this claimed scene is omitted from the theatrical cut - as it apparently has been from the more recent test screenings - then its most likely we will not end up with a definitive answer until the Blu-ray special edition is released.
Looking at the dead Engineers in the plaza, it still appears to me, that some kind of other weapon was used on them and not just the black goo. They appear burnt and petrified. That's why I'm personally not as quick to rule out the possibility of their being different factions of Engineers and some kind of civil war between them; especially if the claimed bombing scene by David proves to be untrue.
After all, if rumours are true, and David leads the survivors from the destroyed dropship back to the citadel. Then I can see a scene unfolding, where upon discovering all the dead Engineers, Daniels or someone else, asks the question of David: 'what happened here?' And David, giving one of his characteristic short and to the point responses, answers along the lines of... 'Civil war.' Or 'They were punished for their transgressions.'
Anyway, until we get to see the final film and are not left reliant on rumour or other peoples memories of test screenings, its fun to speculate. Saves me from the insanity of the wait at least.
I think it's very likely that
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a version of the David bombing scene exists, whether or not they use it. Too many unrelated people have discussed the same thing along the same lines.
I think it's a leap to suggest that if they don't use that then it must mean there is "an Engineer civil war", which to me is entirely a fanfic idea sprung from forums like these and frankly kind of goofy. But then, so is the alleged plot contrivance that I just spoiler-tagged which wipes out everything dangling from the previous movie lickety-split.
I think all Ridley meant by 'who created them' is not about the Engineers or humanity, as he answered the latter question in
Prometheus, but rather his suggestion of who conceived the final alien as we know it - and I strongly suspect all roads lead to David.
I think SpeedyMaxx is right. It's probably just a fanfic idea, and I don't think we'll see what really happened to the engineers in the film. I hope the scene where
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David kills the engineers
is on the Blu-ray. And I hope David is not the creator of the original Xenomorph, but he probably is.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 30, 2017, 01:17:06 PM
I think SpeedyMaxx is right. It's probably just a fanfic idea, and I don't think we'll see what really happened to the engineers in the film. I hope the scene where Spoiler
David kills the engineers
Agree with you completely about the end scenario with David (explanation in your spoiler tag above). I'm already dealing with the different stages of grief with this outcome...anger, denial, melancholy, etc., etc., and the film hasn't even been released yet. Sir Riddles is really putting me through turmoil with David and what role he plays in Covenant and the next films and the mystery surrounding the Spacejockey, Engineers, and the original Alien. I'm hoping it's not the direction we're suspecting from his interviews and conversations and other things that have been leaked by other fans. In his interviews and question/answer sessions, it sure seems like he's heading in that direction. I guess I'm just a spoiled brat with how I thought things were in the original Alien/Nostromo film so I'm not liking this new idea that he's suggesting or David's involvement and his ability to do certain things. It just kind of "cheapens" things for me. So as the spoiled brat original Alien film fan, I don't think I'm going to accept this new direction even if Sir Riddles makes it "canon." I'll just live in my own little bubble with how I think the film and concept should have turned out. Hopefully when the movie is released, I'll be wrong with the direction I think Sir Riddles is going and the film will leave us with our jaws dropped because we didn't see some new twist/concept coming and it's totally out of left field and leaves us wanting the additional films, etc. (one can have hope). Otherwise, the direction he may be heading with David is very predictable and contrived (in my opinion).
My sense is that this final script took so long to draft, and went through so many iterations and writers, that we're going to end up with something a little too simplistic narrative-wise, as opposed to Prometheus, where the changing of hands just mucked things up. I have faith it will make sense and it will be scary, but it will ultimately be reductive and predictable (you know, in theory, since I already spoiled it for myself).
The prequels are definitely about the origin of the alien now and Ridley did say, "If you think it's them (the engineers,) you're dead wrong."
The true creator must be...
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FcHhMlpT.jpg&hash=f077dabdeb803741eda54530b60014d2fa415d87)
:laugh:
David could ultimately just be refining but only refining as certain instructions permit (i.e. he's not exactly creating from scratch), which leaves room for possibilities. If a higher life form is hinted at, if not exposited outright, one way to counter the issue of infinite regress when it comes to creators would be to accept that their origins could never be known just by virtue of their galaxy being eternally out of reach due to inflation (was just watching Lawrence Krauss before ha), so there'd be no way to ever know where they came from, but there'd be worlds with their tech and architecture left around nonetheless. Now, I wouldn't mind the idea of the Engineers' creators being a larger but more Giger'd and creepier version of them; where their flight suits were molded more closely (if not completely) by what they actually looked like (say, elephantine humanoids), and thus a certain group of engineers were simply picking up their tech and adopting it for themselves.
But yeah, I'm prepared for anything at this point, the film can still be great even if it's contrary to personal canonical wishes.
There are future workarounds if it is revealed to be David - making it clear at some point that he just copied their work, that there are billions of eggs elsewhere not made by him - but if he is ultimately revealed to be responsible for the cargo on LV-426 I'll be pretty pissed.
^ The scene where
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David wipes the engineers out
is in the film. It was shown at Cinemacon.
I guess the guy on 4chan who said "don't worry, this is a different race" was correct given the descriptions of this newly shown footage.
It''s not a different race.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:06:14 PM
It''s not a different race.
How was the rest of the movie?
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 30, 2017, 11:44:56 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:06:14 PM
It''s not a different race.
How was the rest of the movie?
Please point to the sourced claim that it's 'some other type of Engineers' or 'not the
real space jockeys'. I'll wait here with a Coke.
Is everyone gonna forget about the murals of the Xenomorphs in Prometheus. Was that explained in either of the commentaries?
Quote from: Anthony on Mar 31, 2017, 01:57:20 AM
Is everyone gonna forget about the murals of the Xenomorphs in Prometheus. Was that explained in either of the commentaries?
maybe that will be addressed
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 01:44:44 AM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 30, 2017, 11:44:56 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:06:14 PM
It''s not a different race.
How was the rest of the movie?
Please point to the sourced claim that it's 'some other type of Engineers' or 'not the real space jockeys'. I'll wait here with a Coke.
From io9: (http://io9.gizmodo.com/new-alien-covenant-footage-showed-destruction-on-a-who-1793864681)
QuoteThe footage started with an arc-like ship flying in the air. Think of it like an upside-down U, with the opening at the bottom. It then links with the iconic ship we recognize from LV-426 and other Alien films—the craft is a similar shape, but is flying in a different configuration. They link with their open ends, kind of like a puzzle, and we realize this is all happening above a civilization of creatures. They aren't humans. Nor are they engineers. They seem to be something in between. It's then that we see David—the android we first met in Prometheus, played by Michael Fassbender—on the ship, where he unleashes hundreds of black canisters. These are the same ones we saw in Prometheus (and in the image above) and, as they hit the ground, they begin to destroy the population with the black, liquid death.
Not sure if I believe it.
I think io9 is just wrong, to be honest.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 01:44:44 AM
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Mar 30, 2017, 11:44:56 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 30, 2017, 11:06:14 PM
It''s not a different race.
How was the rest of the movie?
Please point to the sourced claim that it's 'some other type of Engineers' or 'not the real space jockeys'. I'll wait here with a Coke.
Is there anymore coke? I wonder if you got the new Black Goo flavoured ones.
In all seriousness, I wonder if the Engineers we see in that massacre are a different caste and this could explain their different appearance from the one in Prometheus. Maybe they're more like the one in the first scene of Prometheus, the robed ones. I wonder what went through their minds when they saw David emerge before he unleashed terror upon them.
Perhaps THIS is why they considered destroying us in the first place, in case the David Doomsday situation were to happen, and it did...
Somewhere out there in the infinite vastness of space is an Engineer going "I told you so..." to all those "give them a second chance" fellas.
I think they're probably just not in the pilot suits or ceremonial robes, which is how we saw the majority of Engineers in the prior film. Not complicated.
lol at y'all denying what Io9 says. Its true. Spoilers from reddit confirms this. It sucks but David is responsible for the creation of the mechanical xenomorph. This means Ridley Scott is going to tie in Alien with Blade Runner for a robopocalypse universe. It sucks and its unoriginal.
^ Except the replicants in Blade Runner are NOT androids or robots; they're genetically engineered, essentially clones with shorter lifespans.
Why does David say he has created perfection when the Xenomorph in this movie is clearly not perfect, and more primal?
We're not going to see the classic biomechanical Xenomorph in this film, are we?
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
Why does David say he has created perfection when the Xenomorph in this movie is clearly not perfect, and more primal?
We're not going to see the classic biomechanical Xenomorph in this film, are we?
Nope.
Right. Maybe it's just nothing. But it's still weird.
Also, if David wants to kill every human, why doesn't he just drop the black goo on earth instead of going through the hassle of creating Xenomorphs? Ah well. Probably just bad writing.
This is all falling together beautifully
Much better than space elephants tho
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 04:04:17 AM
I think they're probably just not in the pilot suits or ceremonial robes, which is how we saw the majority of Engineers in the prior film. Not complicated.
The AintItCool report also notes a distinction between Engineers in Prometheus and this population:
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"The footage opened with a bunch of ships hovering over a civilization of humanoid people that looked a little like the tall white dudes from Prometheus, but not quite so far out. Think somewhere between them and normal people. David opens a large cargo door on the familiar derelict Alien ship thing and unleashes a ton of those proto Alien egg canister things, which pop on the descent, covering the people with black ash. This makes them all kind of melt into blackish goo as they claw over themselves trying to escape."
Alas, I tend to agree with you that these may just be a slightly different design for a variety of reasons and not because they are another species or race (namely because I'd hate to hear any clumsy exposition about this).
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 11:19:29 AM
Right. Maybe it's just nothing. But it's still weird.
Also, if David wants to kill every human, why doesn't he just drop the black goo on earth instead of going through the hassle of creating Xenomorphs? Ah well. Probably just bad writing.
Agreed and you make a very valid point? Why go through all the hullabaloo of "engineering" (see, see what I did there) a life form that gestates inside a living host and uses concentrated acid for blood when all he had to do was design some type of virus or other pathogen and just let that spread throughout the human race and wipe us out?
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If the black goo is a sophisticated enough catalyst to allow David to spawn a new life form like a xenomorph, then it should be ample enough for him to use it as a biological pathogen to wipe out the human race and that would be a much more efficient way of him getting rid of us evil humans that treated him so badly. And we're greedy and lazy too so that's even more reason for him to wipe us out as a race (sarcasm just in case anyone missed it).
Also what Evanus said...just drop the black goo on Earth and other outposts and be done with it. Why all the ridiculousness or designing a xenomorph to destroy the human race? It just doesn't make sense. So Riddles will really have to sell it and if he's doing it just to show off some type of special effect, or try to force the storyline in a new direction, I would say he needs to go ahead and just end the the whole thing with Covenant and put the whole franchise to rest (my opinion). I'm not liking this new thing going on with David but that's just me. Of course, if it turns out in the film that David isn't the center of everything and Riddles does something completely different than what we're being lead to believe, I'll have to eat my words. Can't wait for the first release to gauge people's reactions.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Mar 31, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
This is all falling together beautifully
Much better than space elephants tho
:D
Spoiler
..a bunch of ships hovering over a civilization of humanoid people.. David opens a large cargo door..
So much for David wiping out the engineers.
A bunch of ships? Okay, now I'm totally lost.
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I've so far read two descriptions of the footage that claim there two or more ships. David is on one of them.
God dammit I really really really hope I didn't ruin the film for myself by reading this....
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 31, 2017, 12:40:15 PM
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I've so far read two descriptions of the footage that claim there two or more ships. David is on one of them.
Then who is
Spoiler
flying those other ships
? How weird.
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What could the other ship(s) be? Maybe the engineers try to make contact with David's ship, before he kills them? I don't see what else it could be.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 11:19:29 AM
Right. Maybe it's just nothing. But it's still weird.
Also, if David wants to kill every human, why doesn't he just drop the black goo on earth instead of going through the hassle of creating Xenomorphs? Ah well. Probably just bad writing.
How he can drop goo onto the Earth? He's stuck on Paradise. Juggernaut is crashed.
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 31, 2017, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 11:19:29 AM
Right. Maybe it's just nothing. But it's still weird.
Also, if David wants to kill every human, why doesn't he just drop the black goo on earth instead of going through the hassle of creating Xenomorphs? Ah well. Probably just bad writing.
How he can drop goo onto the Earth? He's stuck on Paradise. Juggernaut is crashed.
That's true. Now I wonder how it crashed. Clearly David had full control of the ship. And according to the leaks
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Shaw is in cryosleep while David kills the engineers, so she couldn't have made it crash either.
Maybe I misinterpreted some of the comments made about the storyline but there seems to be an inference that perhaps earth has become somewhat dystopian, maybe on the edge of collapse. That would help explain in part these colonization/terra forming efforts. As for why David doesn't just wipe out humanity on earth in the most efficient way possible that doesn't seem to be his objective. He's become a bit of a Bond villain in a sense I guess.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 01:21:24 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Mar 31, 2017, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 11:19:29 AM
Right. Maybe it's just nothing. But it's still weird.
Also, if David wants to kill every human, why doesn't he just drop the black goo on earth instead of going through the hassle of creating Xenomorphs? Ah well. Probably just bad writing.
How he can drop goo onto the Earth? He's stuck on Paradise. Juggernaut is crashed.
That's true. Now I wonder how it crashed. Clearly David had full control of the ship. And according to the leaks Spoiler
Shaw is in cryosleep while David kills the engineers, so she couldn't have made it crash either.
Well, if this truly is an Engineer planet maybe they have defenses and shoot David's ship down? Wasn't there a note that the inhabitants of Paradise expected David'so ship to dock or something?
Quote from: Omegamorph on Mar 31, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
This is all falling together beautifully
Much better than space elephants tho
(https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2012/4-21/RRHHzxMYL5-14.png)
Cant wait until the next film introduces time travel.
"It's gonna be creative!"
ok, Ridley.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 31, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
Quote from: Omegamorph on Mar 31, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
This is all falling together beautifully
Much better than space elephants tho
https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2012/4-21/RRHHzxMYL5-14.png
YES
now put four of those on a sea turtle and put Earth on em and we're good
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 03:39:50 AM
I think io9 is just wrong, to be honest.
Provide your source proving i09 is wrong. I'll wait here with a Coke.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 03:39:50 AM
I think io9 is just wrong, to be honest.
Provide your source proving i09 is wrong. I'll wait here with a Coke.
To be honest, they're probably not real fans so they don't know as much as we do. There's a 99% chance they're just engineers wearing robes.
Quote from: shawsbaby on Mar 31, 2017, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 04:04:17 AM
I think they're probably just not in the pilot suits or ceremonial robes, which is how we saw the majority of Engineers in the prior film. Not complicated.
The AintItCool report also notes a distinction between Engineers in Prometheus and this population:
Spoiler
"The footage opened with a bunch of ships hovering over a civilization of humanoid people that looked a little like the tall white dudes from Prometheus, but not quite so far out. Think somewhere between them and normal people. David opens a large cargo door on the familiar derelict Alien ship thing and unleashes a ton of those proto Alien egg canister things, which pop on the descent, covering the people with black ash. This makes them all kind of melt into blackish goo as they claw over themselves trying to escape."
Alas, I tend to agree with you that these may just be a slightly different design for a variety of reasons and not because they are another species or race (namely because I'd hate to hear any clumsy exposition about this).
They could very well be a different ethnicity of Engineer if the design is different but similar enough to the one in Prometheus.
I mean, look at how diverse we humans are.
Who is to say humanity is the Engineers only creation in their image?
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 03:39:50 AM
I think io9 is just wrong, to be honest.
Provide your source proving i09 is wrong. I'll wait here with a Coke.
To be honest, they're probably not real fans so they don't know as much as we do. There's a 99% chance they're just engineers wearing robes.
You don't have to be a "real fan" to have watched Prometheus and simply compared it. Also if only one outlet has stated that the new things are slightly different, I'd buy that, but not when it's coming from multiple reputable reviewers who get paid to report this stuff as accurately as possible.
We will be lucky if we even have the bombing scene in the final cut... those dirt husks won't get any dialogue.
Ridley wants to scare the shit out of us with AI creating the Alien! It's always scarier when it's realistic, he says. As in someday we might have actual AI creating actual xenomorphs. That's what Covenant is about.
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 06:52:41 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 03:39:50 AM
I think io9 is just wrong, to be honest.
Provide your source proving i09 is wrong. I'll wait here with a Coke.
To be honest, they're probably not real fans so they don't know as much as we do. There's a 99% chance they're just engineers wearing robes.
You don't have to be a "real fan" to have watched Prometheus and simply compared it. Also if only one outlet has stated that the new things are slightly different, I'd buy that, but not when it's coming from multiple reputable reviewers who get paid to report this stuff as accurately as possible.
Yeah, but if they're not fans they probably don't even remember Prometheus that well. The engineers in this scene probably have the same robes as the one from the prologue in Prometheus. But they don't remember that. They probably think all the engineers look like the last engineer who was wearing a biosuit. But we know that not all engineers wear biosuits, and that their appearance varies.
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 07:26:23 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 06:52:41 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 03:39:50 AM
I think io9 is just wrong, to be honest.
Provide your source proving i09 is wrong. I'll wait here with a Coke.
To be honest, they're probably not real fans so they don't know as much as we do. There's a 99% chance they're just engineers wearing robes.
You don't have to be a "real fan" to have watched Prometheus and simply compared it. Also if only one outlet has stated that the new things are slightly different, I'd buy that, but not when it's coming from multiple reputable reviewers who get paid to report this stuff as accurately as possible.
Yeah, but if they're not fans they probably don't even remember Prometheus that well. The engineers in this scene probably have the same robes as the one from the prologue in Prometheus. But they don't remember that. They probably think all the engineers look like the last engineer who was wearing a biosuit. But we know that not all engineers wear biosuits, and that their appearance varies.
Possibly. I just don't see the backlash and denial in general about there being a new species introduced. I'm good with them being Engineers for continuity's sake given how Prometheus ended, but if they're some offshoot, it wouldn't really matter since, Engineers or not, they don't seem to have a sizable role in the film.
Quote from: rabidranger on Mar 31, 2017, 06:25:04 PM
Who is to say humanity is the Engineers only creation in their image?
That's what I've been thinking.
Also in Fire and Stone we see other Engineer creations that are intelligent and have civilisations. But they're not all in their image.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette4.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fweyland-ycorporation%2Fimages%2Fc%2Fc9%2FPredatorfas2.jpeg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20141111113352&hash=6b55b9e363e93f55da03d18e5a837e50ea13ce8f)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/PRFS-4-PG-01-3ad5f.jpg)
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 08:05:49 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 07:26:23 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 06:52:41 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Mar 31, 2017, 02:20:28 PM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Mar 31, 2017, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 31, 2017, 03:39:50 AM
I think io9 is just wrong, to be honest.
Provide your source proving i09 is wrong. I'll wait here with a Coke.
To be honest, they're probably not real fans so they don't know as much as we do. There's a 99% chance they're just engineers wearing robes.
You don't have to be a "real fan" to have watched Prometheus and simply compared it. Also if only one outlet has stated that the new things are slightly different, I'd buy that, but not when it's coming from multiple reputable reviewers who get paid to report this stuff as accurately as possible.
Yeah, but if they're not fans they probably don't even remember Prometheus that well. The engineers in this scene probably have the same robes as the one from the prologue in Prometheus. But they don't remember that. They probably think all the engineers look like the last engineer who was wearing a biosuit. But we know that not all engineers wear biosuits, and that their appearance varies.
Possibly. I just don't see the backlash and denial in general about there being a new species introduced. I'm good with them being Engineers for continuity's sake given how Prometheus ended, but if they're some offshoot, it wouldn't really matter since, Engineers or not, they don't seem to have a sizable role in the film.
Oh yeah, I agree. I'd prefer them to be a different humanoid species. The idea that the engineers have been alive all this time until David and Shaw arrive, is a little bit silly imo. If they're more like humans, it also makes more sense for David to kill them.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Mar 31, 2017, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 31, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
Quote from: Omegamorph on Mar 31, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
This is all falling together beautifully
Much better than space elephants tho
https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2012/4-21/RRHHzxMYL5-14.png
YES
now put four of those on a sea turtle and put Earth on em and we're good
;D
Coming Soon talked about seeing "human/xeno hybrids", hmmmm.
Don't take this the wrong way, but does anyone remember the smiley that banged it's head against the little red brick wall? That little guy was a lot like us - a Ridley Scott fan.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Apr 01, 2017, 02:09:34 AM
Quote from: Omegamorph on Mar 31, 2017, 02:11:12 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 31, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
Quote from: Omegamorph on Mar 31, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
This is all falling together beautifully
Much better than space elephants tho
https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2012/4-21/RRHHzxMYL5-14.png
YES
now put four of those on a sea turtle and put Earth on em and we're good
;D
Coming Soon talked about seeing "human/xeno hybrids", hmmmm.
Human/Xeno Hybrids have already been shown. Alien: Resurrection.
Quote from: Enoch on Dec 21, 2016, 04:11:22 PM
For god sake, what about this guy?
https://i.imgur.com/yE89Rz7.png
I even know there was some digital crowd animator attached to Covenant...
So maybe we ll see many engineers... who knows. That 4chan guy didnt mention
much details about Engineers!
Hmmmm. Sure I recognise him from Empire stills :laugh: