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Alright, between the Alien and the Predator; which one is really the better predatory species.

Being an alien fan, I'm going to go with the Alien species. However the Predator is called the Predator for a reason. So how can it lose?

Oh and it's with weapons or without, each species has it's advantage and technology is one of them. I added the marines since somebody has to be stuck in the middle.

The Predators are called the galaxy's ultimate hunters for a reason. They have an advantage over aliens because they can go to your homeworld to hunt you, while the Alien either has to be taken by you or by something else on a spaceship to your homeworld.

Quarantine them on abandoned worlds or moons and they're actually really harmless.

Predators? They'll just chase you across space on their own craft. They're always ahead technologically, even in the far future of this franchise we still lag a bit behind them in some technologies.

The predators pose a greater existential threat to humanity than the aliens do.  I don't care what Ripley thinks, the aliens aren't The Thing.

If the predators ever wanted to wipe us out, I don't see how we could stop them.  Although it would be glorious to see fleets of Conestogas versus fleets of predator ships in a giant space battle.

Exactly, can Aliens do these?



Or make explosions the size of countries/continents?



There's a reason Predator youngsters hunt Aliens as a rite of passage.

I love how Aliens are treated as a civilization ending threat, but they've never managed to end human or Predator civilization. They even infested Earth and still failed to wipe us out, also we took Earth back.

If Yautja or Hish wanted to, they could wipe us out. I remember hearing the Hish-qu-Ten had a ship weapon that could wipe out all life on a planet. Yautja in Rage Wars kick Alien ass so hard once they're ready for it.

Clearly the predator with technology will always trump a wild beast. Humans are a prime example of this in real life compared to anything else that could threaten us individually, could never do so as a species because we're better with our tools.

The main reasons Aliens are so widespread and successful are:

1: They spread fast and come in large numbers.

2: Other species spread them around, mostly the better predators (aka Predators  :P) are to blame for this due to their seeding of worlds for hunts.

3: They're an invasive species. Look on Earth, more often than not, an invasive species proves to be disastrous to native local life. (And this species still couldn't wipe us out when invading Earth, so it kinda puts their "deadliness" into question compared to us. Even WE are better "predators" due to our tools and intelligence.)

One thing that really bumps Aliens down is that they're constantly outsmarted and beaten by one human female. I think Ripley's overestimating them. XD

At least the Predators didn't suffer such humiliation, they face a variety of opponents, kill tons and lose to a badass.  :P

Honestly, Aliens in the Rage War are the deadliest version of the Xenomorph I have ever scene.

Why?

Because they're guided by better, smarter, tool using predators!  :)

The aliens are also severely hamstrung by their reliance on other species for reproduction.  While that might be fine for a biological weapon that was engineered to depopulate an ecosystem and then die out, it doesn't do the aliens themselves much good.

All good points, however the alien species also includes the predalien, of which Predators seem to have a difficult time handling. Also talk about Alien reproductive nature being a hamstring; I'll counter with the Predator's hunting code. I think that washes it out.

Why they don't just wipe out entire worlds... no one, aside from humans would do that. Predators are hunters, they clearly have a code, why vaporize perfectly great game and territory for no reason. The Predator also seem to be a nomadic species and may not be interested in ruling anything.

Also, we've only seen aliens that have been alive for a short time, few weeks at most. In the movies. They seem to learn as they go and I doubt they've been wiped out at all. The universe is a big place. There is a reasonable chance that an intelligent Alien cast exist. Complete with tools and knowledge. Of course hard to debate that until we see it in Covenant. :P

Still I see that the similarities to humans are once again appearing in relationship to the Predator. Still as far as the Predator Universe goes, it is interesting to think about a universe where there are multiple intelligent species out there but not a one of them wants anything to do with us. In other fictional universes, star wars, star trek etc, most races integrate over all for beneficial reason or because they have no choice in the matter. The Predator's are just out there. Their not out to conquer or exterminate man but still view us as a worthy challenger. It's sort of like respect but served cold.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 07, 2016, 08:59:51 PMAlso talk about Alien reproductive nature being a hamstring; I'll counter with the Predator's hunting code. I think that washes it out.

I don't know much about their hunting code, but I'll go out on a limb and assume that the predators can choose whether or not they adhere to it.  If their civilization actually went to war with humanity, I doubt they'd be stupid enough to treat it like one of their hunts.

Yeah, the Predator wins...well actually more like Curbstomps in that category. lol.

*Sigh* If only the Xenos were like the Tyranids.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2016, 10:20:10 PM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Oct 07, 2016, 08:59:51 PMAlso talk about Alien reproductive nature being a hamstring; I'll counter with the Predator's hunting code. I think that washes it out.

I don't know much about their hunting code, but I'll go out on a limb and assume that the predators can choose whether or not they adhere to it.  If their civilization actually went to war with humanity, I doubt they'd be stupid enough to treat it like one of their hunts.

Indeed, I remember a part in AvP War, showing them cleansing a hive with Burners, and a quote saying "during war, there are no rules."

And yes, the Predators do choose to follow the rules. Dachande had to stop some Yautja from killing a family and their pet dog!

In Predator: Incursion, a Yautja was about to kill a father and his kids but a Colonial Marine killed it first and died in the process.

They are not a unified people and don't all follow the same rules. Even after Kalakta's peace treaty with humans, there were still reports of Yautja attacks happening.

Plus remember the Killer Clan? They also had Aliens under their control. They had no rules, just go and slaughter things.

There's a couple of times in the EU that some human characters say we're "lucky" that they only wish to hunt us and not conquer us.

Quote from: g2vd on Oct 07, 2016, 10:51:17 PM
Yeah, the Predator wins...well actually more like Curbstomps in that category. lol.

*Sigh* If only the Xenos were like the Tyranids.

Indeed...

Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 05, 2016, 06:19:27 PM
It also occurred to me that, given what we've seen so far, the aliens might actually inherit the knowledge of their hosts and thereby learn how to create technology of their own.  Just imagine that for a moment. 

They could wind up being even more like the Formics from Ender's Game or the Tyranids from Warhammer 40k.  Having the capability to travel the stars under their own power would make the aliens far more frightening than they are now since they'd no longer be at the mercy of more advanced species to spread throughout the universe.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2016, 10:59:29 PM

Quote from: g2vd on Oct 07, 2016, 10:51:17 PM
Yeah, the Predator wins...well actually more like Curbstomps in that category. lol.

*Sigh* If only the Xenos were like the Tyranids.

Indeed...

Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 05, 2016, 06:19:27 PM
It also occurred to me that, given what we've seen so far, the aliens might actually inherit the knowledge of their hosts and thereby learn how to create technology of their own.  Just imagine that for a moment. 

They could wind up being even more like the Formics from Ender's Game or the Tyranids from Warhammer 40k.  Having the capability to travel the stars under their own power would make the aliens far more frightening than they are now since they'd no longer be at the mercy of more advanced species to spread throughout the universe.

Da Ork Boyz krump your puny bug tingiez!

Can you imagine if we were to merge Xenomorph, Tyranid, Flood, Zerg, Arachnid (Starship Troopers) and Ork into one monstrosity? And make this monstrosity an entire race?

It would still be nothing compared to a Water Bug Xeno.

My God that thing would be unkillable

Though a Ewok Xeno would probably be worse. :laugh:

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 07, 2016, 11:07:59 PMCan you imagine if we were to merge Xenomorph, Tyranid, Flood, Zerg, Arachnid (Starship Troopers) and Ork into one monstrosity? And make this monstrosity an entire race?

The Orks don't really seem to fit into that group.

I know, but they'd add to the deadliness due to their reproduction via fungal spores each time they're killed.

What about Yauuuuuuuuuuutja versus Adeptus Astartes?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2016, 02:08:42 AM
What about Yauuuuuuuuuuutja versus Adeptus Astartes?

Probably the same result as this. :laugh:
(https://vannahscreations.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/20140603-141552-51352561.jpg)

Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2016, 02:08:42 AM
What about Yauuuuuuuuuuutja versus Adeptus Astartes?

LOL!!!  :laugh:

SPEHS MEHREEN will most likely win to be honest.

But this picture is badass though.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpre10.deviantart.net%2F0ce4%2Fth%2Fpre%2Fi%2F2010%2F047%2F7%2F0%2Fspacemarine_vs_predator_by_sustai.jpg&hash=9a14a9bc8c3ab41aef89fc617bd5b5c51372db28)

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 07, 2016, 05:53:31 PM
Exactly, can Aliens do these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYpXcJpNjw8

Or make explosions the size of countries/continents?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQCTH4JZ8Xs

There's a reason Predator youngsters hunt Aliens as a rite of passage.

I love how Aliens are treated as a civilization ending threat, but they've never managed to end human or Predator civilization. They even infested Earth and still failed to wipe us out, also we took Earth back.

If Yautja or Hish wanted to, they could wipe us out. I remember hearing the Hish-qu-Ten had a ship weapon that could wipe out all life on a planet. Yautja in Rage Wars kick Alien ass so hard once they're ready for it.

Clearly the predator with technology will always trump a wild beast. Humans are a prime example of this in real life compared to anything else that could threaten us individually, could never do so as a species because we're better with our tools.

The main reasons Aliens are so widespread and successful are:

1: They spread fast and come in large numbers.

2: Other species spread them around, mostly the better predators (aka Predators  :P) are to blame for this due to their seeding of worlds for hunts.

3: They're an invasive species. Look on Earth, more often than not, an invasive species proves to be disastrous to native local life. (And this species still couldn't wipe us out when invading Earth, so it kinda puts their "deadliness" into question compared to us. Even WE are better "predators" due to our tools and intelligence.)

One thing that really bumps Aliens down is that they're constantly outsmarted and beaten by one human female. I think Ripley's overestimating them. XD

At least the Predators didn't suffer such humiliation, they face a variety of opponents, kill tons and lose to a badass.  :P

Honestly, Aliens in the Rage War are the deadliest version of the Xenomorph I have ever scene.

Why?

Because they're guided by better, smarter, tool using predators!  :)

Since mentioning these Predator stats, Warhammer 40K here and another thread you opened up, I am curious to see an Predator vs Ork battle, 1v1 or a squad, or even an army fight, really damm curious to see. Preds want to hunt the most deadliest beings ever, Orks want to fight in general, especially ones that can put up a good one.

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 08, 2016, 04:26:50 AM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 07, 2016, 05:53:31 PM
Exactly, can Aliens do these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYpXcJpNjw8

Or make explosions the size of countries/continents?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQCTH4JZ8Xs

There's a reason Predator youngsters hunt Aliens as a rite of passage.

I love how Aliens are treated as a civilization ending threat, but they've never managed to end human or Predator civilization. They even infested Earth and still failed to wipe us out, also we took Earth back.

If Yautja or Hish wanted to, they could wipe us out. I remember hearing the Hish-qu-Ten had a ship weapon that could wipe out all life on a planet. Yautja in Rage Wars kick Alien ass so hard once they're ready for it.

Clearly the predator with technology will always trump a wild beast. Humans are a prime example of this in real life compared to anything else that could threaten us individually, could never do so as a species because we're better with our tools.

The main reasons Aliens are so widespread and successful are:

1: They spread fast and come in large numbers.

2: Other species spread them around, mostly the better predators (aka Predators  :P) are to blame for this due to their seeding of worlds for hunts.

3: They're an invasive species. Look on Earth, more often than not, an invasive species proves to be disastrous to native local life. (And this species still couldn't wipe us out when invading Earth, so it kinda puts their "deadliness" into question compared to us. Even WE are better "predators" due to our tools and intelligence.)

One thing that really bumps Aliens down is that they're constantly outsmarted and beaten by one human female. I think Ripley's overestimating them. XD

At least the Predators didn't suffer such humiliation, they face a variety of opponents, kill tons and lose to a badass.  :P

Honestly, Aliens in the Rage War are the deadliest version of the Xenomorph I have ever scene.

Why?

Because they're guided by better, smarter, tool using predators!  :)

Since mentioning these Predator stats, Warhammer 40K here and another thread you opened up, I am curious to see an Predator vs Ork battle, 1v1 or a squad, or even an army fight, really damm curious to see. Preds want to hunt the most deadliest beings ever, Orks want to fight in general, especially ones that can put up a good one.

I'd love to see that too! The Predators would absolutely love the Orks for being so deadly and numerous.

Your forum name reminded me of another battle I always wanted to see.

Predator going against Turok, the Valiant Comics Turok would be an interesting opponent.

Also Tal'Set, my favourite of the Turoks.  ;D

I think Joseph Turok from the 2008 game would make an interesting opponent, being deadly with a knife. That's be the knife fight of my dreams.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 08, 2016, 04:57:33 AM

I'd love to see that too! The Predators would absolutely love the Orks for being so deadly and numerous.

Your forum name reminded me of another battle I always wanted to see.

Predator going against Turok, the Valiant Comics Turok would be an interesting opponent.

Also Tal'Set, my favourite of the Turoks.  ;D

I think Joseph Turok from the 2008 game would make an interesting opponent, being deadly with a knife. That's be the knife fight of my dreams.

Predators collecting Ork skulls, and Orks collecting dat shiny mask bitz!

Yo Turok is still the main man! I love Valiant Comics Turok, a man out of his time trying to fit in while avoiding bionosaurs,monsters, alien creatures, and hostile poachers like the Longhunter. I adored what Dark Horse was doing with Turok and got pissed when Dark Horse had to cancel thier Turok comic line. The Dynamite Comics line of Turok is okish, but i prefer what has going on with what Dark Horse had.

Praise Tal'Set! If I'm correct, I think Valiant mentioned that Tal'Set is the name of Turok from thier comic line, hence why Acclaim gave the title to Tal'Set "The Valiant One" as Joshua Fireseed's title is "The Coyote Knight", as a respectful nod. I have to look it up in the comics again, I remember it was mentioned at the end of the pages on one of the Acclaim Turok comics.

Funny enough, back in 00s, like what, 2005, I always thought up of a crossover Turok: Aliens vs Predator would be something neat! And seeing how when Dark Horse had all three at the time, man I was sweating hard for such a dream come true.... f**kin corporate meddling....

They just couldn't let Dark Horse do their thing, nope.

Turok 2 cancelled too...man will they give Joseph or even the Turok series a break?

Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 08, 2016, 05:36:01 AM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 08, 2016, 04:57:33 AM

I'd love to see that too! The Predators would absolutely love the Orks for being so deadly and numerous.

Your forum name reminded me of another battle I always wanted to see.

Predator going against Turok, the Valiant Comics Turok would be an interesting opponent.

Also Tal'Set, my favourite of the Turoks.  ;D

I think Joseph Turok from the 2008 game would make an interesting opponent, being deadly with a knife. That's be the knife fight of my dreams.

Predators collecting Ork skulls, and Orks collecting dat shiny mask bitz!

Yo Turok is still the main man! I love Valiant Comics Turok, a man out of his time trying to fit in while avoiding bionosaurs,monsters, alien creatures, and hostile poachers like the Longhunter. I adored what Dark Horse was doing with Turok and got pissed when Dark Horse had to cancel thier Turok comic line. The Dynamite Comics line of Turok is okish, but i prefer what has going on with what Dark Horse had.

Praise Tal'Set! If I'm correct, I think Valiant mentioned that Tal'Set is the name of Turok from thier comic line, hence why Acclaim gave the title to Tal'Set "The Valiant One" as Joshua Fireseed's title is "The Coyote Knight", as a respectful nod. I have to look it up in the comics again, I remember it was mentioned at the end of the pages on one of the Acclaim Turok comics.

Funny enough, back in 00s, like what, 2005, I always thought up of a crossover Turok: Aliens vs Predator would be something neat! And seeing how when Dark Horse had all three at the time, man I was sweating hard for such a dream come true.... f**kin corporate meddling....

They just couldn't let Dark Horse do their thing, nope.

Turok 2 cancelled too...man will they give Joseph or even the Turok series a break?

Da Ork Boyz would also like dem shiny flashy shouldah gunz!

So that's why Tal'Set was called the "Valiant One"? Wow! The more you know. I heard they were gonna make a sequel to Turok Evolution, but that too was cancelled sadly. I would've loved to have faced the Slegs and Lord Tyrannus once more. I have a fond memory where during that second level of Chapter 3, right after you kill your first T. rex, you go down this valley and kill some Slegs. Then as you go down the river and reach a waterfall, there's a bridge in the distance and Sleg snipers firing down on you.

My dad aimed down the scope of the Tek Bow, trying to shoot one, but he started to hop left, then right, then right and left etc, as if avoiding my dad's shots. My dad praised his intelligence.

You mentioning those variety of enemies like bionosaurs, that's another thing I seriously love about the Turok franchise, the sheer uniqueness of the creatures in it. Cyborg dinos and reptillian humanoids, not to mention eldritch abominations!

Ah man, a crossover with Alien and Predator would've been so perfect. I think both of these alien would fit so well in the Lost Land. Aliens would be able to carve out a niche in the ecology while the Predators would have a blast hunting things. XD Have you read Tarzan vs Predator? It's kind of the closest we'd get to Turok vs Predator. I loved the panel where a Yautja jumps on the back of a T. rex and kills it with a quick slice of his wrist blades to a sensitive area. Turok would likely be as resourceful as Tarzan when dealing with a Predator.

Yeah, that sucks too that the sequel to the 2008 game got cancelled. Joseph was a super badass native american space marine who needs a sequel! I remember reading a bit about a proposed sequel set in a desert and had an armoured T. rex.

Man it seems like you guys really wanna see some hot Predator action; hunting everything else in the universe action. So how come it's only Aliens vs Predator that has made it to the movies? Would having the Predator in another cross over hurt the franchise or not? What I mean by this is that because of all interests involved, it seems every battle always ends is a tie no matter the Predators opponent. Would it boil down to a simple coin flip who wins the battle?

I think the action genre could use a non-human entity and the Predator does fit the bill.

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I'd love to see the Predator face some more non-human entities as well. Preferably in grounded sci fi settings. But I wouldn't mind one against Klingons or Hirogen (aka Star Trek's Predators) it'd be a cool match up.

In the Alien verse, I wanna see it fight an Engineer on screen!

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 08, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
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I'd love to see the Predator face some more non-human entities as well. Preferably in grounded sci fi settings. But I wouldn't mind one against Klingons or Hirogen (aka Star Trek's Predators) it'd be a cool match up.

In the Alien verse, I wanna see it fight an Engineer on screen!

There's a Predator mod for Skyrim called 'Predators - The Lost Tribes' and there's a necklace with Klingon skulls on it.

Quote from: Serpent/Slayer on Oct 08, 2016, 05:46:59 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 08, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
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I'd love to see the Predator face some more non-human entities as well. Preferably in grounded sci fi settings. But I wouldn't mind one against Klingons or Hirogen (aka Star Trek's Predators) it'd be a cool match up.

In the Alien verse, I wanna see it fight an Engineer on screen!

There's a Predator mod for Skyrim called 'Predators - The Lost Tribes' and there's a necklace with Klingon skulls on it.

I plan on one day getting that mod. Wow, I didn't know there was a necklace with Klingon skulls on it, cool!

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Quote from: Serpent/Slayer on Oct 08, 2016, 05:46:59 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 08, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
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I'd love to see the Predator face some more non-human entities as well. Preferably in grounded sci fi settings. But I wouldn't mind one against Klingons or Hirogen (aka Star Trek's Predators) it'd be a cool match up.

In the Alien verse, I wanna see it fight an Engineer on screen!

There's a Predator mod for Skyrim called 'Predators - The Lost Tribes' and there's a necklace with Klingon skulls on it.

I plan on one day getting that mod. Wow, I didn't know there was a necklace with Klingon skulls on it, cool!

It's really nice, you should check it out. :)

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Quote from: Serpent/Slayer on Oct 08, 2016, 05:46:59 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 08, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
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I'd love to see the Predator face some more non-human entities as well. Preferably in grounded sci fi settings. But I wouldn't mind one against Klingons or Hirogen (aka Star Trek's Predators) it'd be a cool match up.

In the Alien verse, I wanna see it fight an Engineer on screen!

There's a Predator mod for Skyrim called 'Predators - The Lost Tribes' and there's a necklace with Klingon skulls on it.

I plan on one day getting that mod. Wow, I didn't know there was a necklace with Klingon skulls on it, cool!

It's really nice, you should check it out. :)

I really enjoyed the videos I've seen of it. Have you seen the Oblivion Predator mod?

Alien's are the greater threat overall and are more "predatory" by nature. . They just keep killing and multiplying until there is nothing left. They don't know when to stop.  It takes a nuke to stop them.

As for Predators, they are not as big a threat. I mean, they are still dangerous, obviously, but they don't go around wiping out entire species. Its not in their nature. In fact they will go out of their way to ensure that they DON'T kill children or pregnant women. Their culture prevents it I guess. 

Hence why Predators are the "better" predators.

Think about it, what happens when you wipe out all your prey? What will you eat, or use to reproduce?

Whereas with the Predators, they always ensure they have more things to hunt. They are in the most literal sense, predatory. Their prey (Aliens and humans) outnumber them just like caribou outnumber wolves and zebra outnumber lions.

Aliens are the better "invasive species" because they overrun new ecosystems not used to them, like rabbits did to New Zealand.

Being a predator isn't about how much prey you can wipe out, it's ensuring you stil have things to prey upon. And Aliens have never wiped out humans or Yautja, they even overran Earth and we still took it back in the older comics and novels.

Aliens are only truly deadly when controlled by someone sapient like us, Engineers or Predators. The Rage War trilogy makes them a genuine threat due to their masters being a rogue faction of mankind. It also showed that Aliens are deadliest only when they have the element of surprise, but once that's gone and technological species are ready for them, their threat goes down rapidly.

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Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 08, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
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I'd love to see the Predator face some more non-human entities as well. Preferably in grounded sci fi settings. But I wouldn't mind one against Klingons or Hirogen (aka Star Trek's Predators) it'd be a cool match up.

In the Alien verse, I wanna see it fight an Engineer on screen!

There's a Predator mod for Skyrim called 'Predators - The Lost Tribes' and there's a necklace with Klingon skulls on it.

I plan on one day getting that mod. Wow, I didn't know there was a necklace with Klingon skulls on it, cool!

It's really nice, you should check it out. :)

I really enjoyed the videos I've seen of it. Have you seen the Oblivion Predator mod?

Yeah, I couldn't get it to work, though. :/

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 08, 2016, 08:59:08 PM
Think about it, what happens when you wipe out all your prey? What will you eat, or use to reproduce?

That's a really great point. Good Predators manage their resources, even in the animal kingdom.

No they don't. The relationship between the predator, the prey, other animals, and the environment manages the resource. Look what happens when you introduce a predatory species to an environment that's not adapted to handle it. They destroy everything. We've never seen Aliens in a native habitat, only in locations they've been introduced to.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 09, 2016, 11:21:34 AMWe've never seen Aliens in a native habitat, only in locations they've been introduced to.

Indeed.  And because HuDaFuk and I love it when I quote myself...

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 05, 2015, 08:29:26 PMI'm torn.  I like to imagine the ecosystem of the aliens' homeworld as being one in which they live in symbiosis with another native species.  Perhaps some docile herbivore that has an orifice in its torso from which the aliens can emerge without killing it.

And it's only when they're removed from their native habitat that the aliens become dangerous and have no choice but to breed within hosts that are killed in the process.

Imagine some Gigeresque creature with a big, vaginal-looking orifice in its chest.  They could give birth to the aliens and then continue on their merry way until they get facehugged again and the ecosystem survives.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 08, 2016, 08:59:08 PM
And Aliens have never wiped out humans or Yautja,

There are several instances of them doing exactly that: Hadely's Hope colony, Gunnison  Colorado, Fury 161, and the ancient Mayan city  (shown in the AVP flashback) all had their human populations either almost, or completely, wiped out. The same would be true for predators and engineers if the Aliens ever got a foothold on one of their major population centers.

The main thing that I think prevents predators from being as dangerous as Aliens is their culture/honor system/pride. They pull punches when they shouldn't and it often gets them killed.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 09, 2016, 11:21:34 AM
No they don't. The relationship between the predator, the prey, other animals, and the environment manages the resource. Look what happens when you introduce a predatory species to an environment that's not adapted to handle it. They destroy everything. We've never seen Aliens in a native habitat, only in locations they've been introduced to.

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Quote from: marrerom on Oct 10, 2016, 03:44:46 AM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 08, 2016, 08:59:08 PM
And Aliens have never wiped out humans or Yautja,

There are several instances of them doing exactly that: Hadely's Hope colony, Gunnison  Colorado, Fury 161, and the ancient Mayan city  (shown in the AVP flashback) all had their human populations either almost, or completely, wiped out. The same would be true for predators and engineers if the Aliens ever got a foothold on one of their major population centers.

The main thing that I think prevents predators from being as dangerous as Aliens is their culture/honor system/pride. They pull punches when they shouldn't and it often gets them killed.

And that was resolved instantly through a single self destruct sequence. "Entire civilizations wiped out overnight."

Also the Concrete Jungle intro where a single Predator destroys an entire city via his self destruct. Predators can be just as deadly to our civilization because of their culture. Remember Keyes' warning? Remember how quick City Hunter began tapping the buttons when on the losing side literally in Los Angeles next to an apartment and other highly populated areas?

Plus that ending of AvP3 I posted earlier of a country sized explosion. Predators could easily wipe out Aliens, we've seldom ever heard of them suffering such disasters as us. Some isolated cases, but nothing as bad as us when we had Earth overrun by them. That is until Rage War when the Alien armies are lead by a human force behind them.

And yes, Aliens almost wiped us out when we're primitive or unprepared. They overran Earth in the old comics, but we still took it back.

They're not that dangerous as we're lead to believe, just an extremely successful parasite in an ecosystem unfamiliar with theirs.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 09, 2016, 11:21:34 AM
No they don't. The relationship between the predator, the prey, other animals, and the environment manages the resource. Look what happens when you introduce a predatory species to an environment that's not adapted to handle it. They destroy everything. We've never seen Aliens in a native habitat, only in locations they've been introduced to.

Yes, I believe the term for that is "invasive species", placing an animal in an environment unfamiliar with it.

Look at the destruction the myriad of species we've introduced to Australia and New Zealand have caused.

That's what Aliens are, an invasive species. The Predators are "better" because they belong in the hunts they're in, they blend in the ecosystems rather than destroy them.

And they're deadlier too due to their weaponry. Aliens are deadliest when no one's prepared for them.

In my opinion the Predators are superior to Aliens, and they pose a great danger to the humanity.But let's not forget that Aliens may pose a bigger threat on Earth if we're talking about an invasion or something like that.

Aliens just care about expanding their kind. Humans fight for survival. But the Preds' whole known culture centrals around hunting. One Pred can take down multiple humans and aliens very quickly and efficiently.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 10, 2016, 06:47:54 PM

And that was resolved instantly through a single self destruct sequence. "Entire civilizations wiped out overnight."

Also the Concrete Jungle intro where a single Predator destroys an entire city via his self destruct. Predators can be just as deadly to our civilization because of their culture. Remember Keyes' warning? Remember how quick City Hunter began tapping the buttons when on the losing side literally in Los Angeles next to an apartment and other highly populated areas?

Sure, but a Predator's self destruct has nothing to do with it being a better predator. It has to do with asset denial and their code of honor. The fact that you have to resort to nukes in order to halt the aliens speaks to the danger they pose. I mean, you never see the government resorting to nukes in order to stop a predator, right? They just don't warrant that kind of a response. And again I'd just like to reiterate that i'm not saying Predators aren't dangerous. They are. They just aren't going to kill everything on the planet if given the chance.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 10, 2016, 06:47:54 PM
Plus that ending of AvP3 I posted earlier of a country sized explosion. Predators could easily wipe out Aliens, we've seldom ever heard of them suffering such disasters as us. Some isolated cases, but nothing as bad as us when we had Earth overrun by them. That is until Rage War when the Alien armies are lead by a human force behind them.

And yes, Aliens almost wiped us out when we're primitive or unprepared. They overran Earth in the old comics, but we still took it back.

I really cant speak to any of what's happened in the EU. I mostly haven't read any of it. I'm referring strictly to the established canon (Films).

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 10, 2016, 06:47:54 PM
They're not that dangerous as we're lead to believe, just an extremely successful parasite in an ecosystem unfamiliar with theirs.
And they're deadlier too due to their weaponry. Aliens are deadliest when no one's prepared for them.

Yes, but this is this is true of anything, its even applicable to predators. Rocye was able to confront the super predator with much better results once he understood its weakness's and had learned more about its technology. 

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 10, 2016, 06:47:54 PM
The Predators are "better" because they belong in the hunts they're in, they blend in the ecosystems rather than destroy them.

I think this sums up why we disagree. You are arguing that being the superior predator means fitting in with the ecosystem and having a balance between predator and prey, yes? Hunting responsibly, etc. Whereas I am arguing that a superior predator would wreck any ecosystem its in because its such a perfect killing machine.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 10, 2016, 06:47:54 PM
The Predators are "better" because they belong in the hunts they're in, they blend in the ecosystems rather than destroy them.

They don't belong there. They're just as invasive. They're just conscious about it and minimize their impact.

The idea that one could be a "better" predator than the other is really weird. No predator is any better than any other so long as they both thrive in their respective environments. Destroying your food supply doesn't make you a bad predator. Shit, if anything it shows you're too effective a predator for your environment. By that definition, Predators are shit.

Quote from: SiL on Oct 11, 2016, 06:10:55 AM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 10, 2016, 06:47:54 PM
The Predators are "better" because they belong in the hunts they're in, they blend in the ecosystems rather than destroy them.

They don't belong there. They're just as invasive. They're just conscious about it and minimize their impact.

The idea that one could be a "better" predator than the other is really weird. No predator is any better than any other so long as they both thrive in their respective environments. Destroying your food supply doesn't make you a bad predator. Shit, if anything it shows you're too effective a predator for your environment. By that definition, Predators are shit.

So you're going with natural selection. If a predator is too good for the environment it eats itself into extinction?

Not a single person picked the Marine. What? Are humans chopped liver now. :P

Quote from: marrerom on Oct 11, 2016, 03:06:33 AM
I think this sums up why we disagree. You are arguing that being the superior predator means fitting in with the ecosystem and having a balance between predator and prey, yes? Hunting responsibly, etc. Whereas I am arguing that a superior predator would wreck any ecosystem its in because its such a perfect killing machine.

You have been raising many good points. I think we were just thinking differently on what "Predator" means.

Technically, neither of them are showing predatory behaviour in the films as they weren't really shown eating their prey (maybe that Alien in AvP-r might've been eating that guy after killing him in the pool, when it was repeatedly slamming him with its inner mouth.)

We know Predators eat meat because City Hunter ate beef, so they do probably hunt things for food. But they weren't preying on us as a natural predator does. In fact, their behaviour (while mirroring our sports hunting) can also be compared to when predatory species kill other predatory species for competition or just for the sake of it. Lions kill hyenas and just leave them to rot. I'm sure there's more examples.

Predators hunt other dangerous species without being shown eating them, and chances are that many of those are predatory, like us.  ;D

I think the question of this thread may be a bit vague as neither species has shown true predatory behaviour in films. We know in the AvP 2 game, as a chestburster, you gotta find some cat to feast on to grow into an Alien. That's an example of true predation.

I guess best way to sum it up is that we don't really know for sure. We only have bits and pieces from isolated cases shown in the various media of this franchise. Meanwhile we're debating on who is more deadly to civilization or who can destroy an ecosystem better etc.

I think perhaps they're both very good at what they do, both are very effective "predators" in their own right. Both have carved a niche and thrive in the galaxy, proving to be highly succesful species. As far as evolution is concerned, that's what makes a "good predator," the one that survives, regardless of strengths and weaknesses.

The thread might as well ask "who is the better predator, a lion or a hyena?" Because that's what it's like, and it concerns two natural enemies.  :P

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Oct 11, 2016, 06:16:21 PM
The thread might as well ask "who is the better predator, a lion or a hyena?" Because that's what it's like, and it concerns two natural enemies.  :P

Well yea that is what the thread is asking. Great analogy.