So...I think we know we'll seeing transparent Alien skulls in Covenant! ;D
Quote@tyrannojones Which of the heads do you prefer? Ribbed or the translucent dome?
@_kemosh_ Translucent, but I'm not allowed to use them :/ So I've gone kinda half way - basically took the dome off and got rid of the skull
@tyrannojones Ah damn, did they give you a reason why? Not that I "hate" the ribbed heads I just always prefered Giger's original design.
@_kemosh_ Covenant related... ;)
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/738015456083120128
Another one of the idea's Ridley wasn't able to incorporate back in 79. Thanks to a better budget, better tech and effects, the long wait will totally be worth it. :)
I wonder... would he dare do the box alien too?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 02, 2016, 07:57:33 AM
So...I think we know we'll seeing transparent Alien skulls in Covenant! ;D
Quote@tyrannojones Which of the heads do you prefer? Ribbed or the translucent dome?
@_kemosh_ Translucent, but I'm not allowed to use them :/ So I've gone kinda half way - basically took the dome off and got rid of the skull
@tyrannojones Ah damn, did they give you a reason why? Not that I "hate" the ribbed heads I just always prefered Giger's original design.
@_kemosh_ Covenant related... ;)
https://twitter.com/tyrannojones/status/738015456083120128
I'm confused.......what would this look like?
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Something like this with the transparency a bit more obvious.
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Something like this with the transparency a bit more obvious.
So cool. But basically the original Giger design then?
I would assume. But I don't know about the body, just that perhaps we're going back to the clear dome but that we might actually see it on screen this time around.
It is interesting, but we may all find that the alien with the human skull doesn't look quite right. Having eye sockets really made the newborn in AR look silly. I really think that was its biggest issue. The fact that the alien has no eyes is one of its main distinguishing features from a plethora of monsters out there. It's all about the teeth.
Then again, including the skull to show a connection with human DNA might be cool.. But it ceases to be alien I that case.
I think what they mean is the skull will be there like it was in Alien, maybe slightly more visible.
Anybody know if that was a real skull or a replica? It would be an odd way for an actor to play a part in a movie after dying..
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 02, 2016, 01:49:26 PM
Anybody know if that was a real skull or a replica? It would be an odd way for an actor to play a part in a movie after dying..
Pretty sure it was a real one. I'll double check.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 02, 2016, 01:43:15 PM
I think what they mean is the skull will be there like it was in Alien, maybe slightly more visible.
Yeah, that's my thinking.
Yep, real skull:
"The plaster shop took a full cast of the actor, full body cast and mounted it standing up on its toes on a wooden base and Giger put it into his studio and he began to build up on it with clay and bones, an air conditioning duct, screws, and human skulls – the face of the thing is a real human skull. He took the skull and jammed it right on the front, riveted it in place, and then started modifying it ..."
https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/the-eighth-passenger/
No way! Do they actually know who that used to be? Creepy!
Not that I know of.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 02, 2016, 02:16:37 PM
No way! Do they actually know who that used to be? Creepy!
His girlfriend.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 02, 2016, 04:23:10 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 02, 2016, 02:16:37 PM
No way! Do they actually know who that used to be? Creepy!
His girlfriend.
I thought he had her skeleton hanging in the entrance to his home?
That early concept art that was released a few weeks back (that 'Got the artist the job'); both images depicted the alien with the human skull prominent - most notable - IN FRONT of the dome.
That also ties into the description of the Alien in the Spaihts script where he describes the skull as being easy to ascertain behind a thin layer of skin. I have a feeling we are in for an interesting new proto-Alien design and if Spaihts ideas make it in (sexburster), I'd love to see the version of the Alien that can squeeze itself through things, like encephlopods (spelling?).
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 02, 2016, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 02, 2016, 04:23:10 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 02, 2016, 02:16:37 PM
No way! Do they actually know who that used to be? Creepy!
His girlfriend.
I thought he had her skeleton hanging in the entrance to his home?
Ah ok, maybe that was what I was thinking of. Interesting fella this Giger.
The unused Ultramorph designs were really cool, would like to see them in live action. If the
Spoiler
squid thing
is allegedly making a come back then hopefully they'll actually show a very cool adult Deacon too and not let that silly final shot of Prometheus be for nothing.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 02, 2016, 02:08:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 02, 2016, 01:49:26 PM
Anybody know if that was a real skull or a replica? It would be an odd way for an actor to play a part in a movie after dying..
Pretty sure it was a real one. I'll double check.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 02, 2016, 01:43:15 PM
I think what they mean is the skull will be there like it was in Alien, maybe slightly more visible.
Yeah, that's my thinking.
Yep, real skull:
"The plaster shop took a full cast of the actor, full body cast and mounted it standing up on its toes on a wooden base and Giger put it into his studio and he began to build up on it with clay and bones, an air conditioning duct, screws, and human skulls – the face of the thing is a real human skull. He took the skull and jammed it right on the front, riveted it in place, and then started modifying it ..."
https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/the-eighth-passenger/
Disclaimer for that quote: it's O'Bannon's recollection; Giger said (if I remember correctly) in his diary that he made a
cast of a real skull that he owned. Since he was cutting it into pieces I don't think he wanted to use the real one. I will absolutely have to double-check that, though. There are plenty of real animal bones in the suit, though.
What if we gonna see a Xerxes kinda engineer sitting on a throne with those xeno's next to him sitting as dogs.
Anybody cool with that?
Maybe it's just me, but reading that makes it sound like it won't have the dome or skull...?
Just because they might put it in, doesn't mean we'll actually see it under the lighting. Predalien Queen had a translucent dome but you'd have never been able to tell.
Quote from: CainsSon on Jun 02, 2016, 04:28:51 PM
That early concept art that was released a few weeks back (that 'Got the artist the job'); both images depicted the alien with the human skull prominent - most notable - IN FRONT of the dome.
That also ties into the description of the Alien in the Spaihts script where he describes the skull as being easy to ascertain behind a thin layer of skin. I have a feeling we are in for an interesting new proto-Alien design and if Spaihts ideas make it in (sexburster), I'd love to see the version of the Alien that can squeeze itself through things, like encephlopods (spelling?).
which concept art? can you link it please
Although I'd love to see the originally intended vision of the alien. I'd also love if they'd put the beluga alien in this as well.
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Note the position of the eyes on that Beluga whale. That is an infinitely better position for the eyes on the Alien then in the front like on a skull. It would just be so much creepier this way. It is where the side bulges are on the chest burster, and that creates a suggestion that it is where the eyes would be.
I think the skull is one of the creepiest things about big chap, even if it was not very visable. But I don't think the eysockets of the skull should ever be intended for use as eyes. I prefer the alien to have no true eyes at all.
I know what you're saying, but if you have the eye sockets there, it will have the appearance of eyes, and it will somehow humanize the Alien. I'm telling you its no good. The Alien as it appeared in Alien and Aliens is a work of perfection. The hard core fans will understand the eyes, but the casual fan will say the alien aesthetic has been destroyed or diminished. There goes the phallic head..
These things don't have eyes; do they? I mean skull holes, yea. The skull itself is just a remnant left from the dna of a human host anyway. It's more meant to strike fear into the movie goer than to be of any use to the alien.
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I think this was Giger working on the skull in the dome or perhaps building the dome. I hope the sockets and skull will always be slightly visible. The eye less skull always made me feel some part of the chestbursted victim was trapped inside the xeno. Trying to get out. I hope they always stick with that. I have no idea if it is a real skull. Always thought it was. Big chap was more demonic where the ridge head aliens were just too well designed. They looked very much TOO efficient for what they were designed to do whereas big chap made you feel there was that semi human element trapped inside. Like someone who has died and finds himself trapped inside the grim reaper. Seeing himself being killed over and over. There was none of that Aliens. Still aliens is technically one if the best action flicks and I still love it. I am just saturated by it. Big chap was methodical always busy with archaic scheme beyond our understanding. Where as the ridge head aliens seemed to be waiting like a spider or ant lion for a passer by. Less evil if you will.
I can't recall a single scene in Alien where you could see the skull behind the dome. One can only make that connection after seeing some of the concept art in various books.
You're right. Was the skull visible in aliens ?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 03, 2016, 06:35:49 AM
I can't recall a single scene in Alien where you could see the skull behind the dome. One can only make that connection after seeing some of the concept art in various books.
The skull was never visible in the film. Personally, I've always loved the empty skull. I think it looks creepier for the fact that where you expect eyes to be, there is literally nothing. I'm of the opinion that the Newborn should have just been the cowl-less Alien with some other changes.
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Quote from: genocyber on Jun 02, 2016, 09:49:09 PM
Just because they might put it in, doesn't mean we'll actually see it under the lighting. Predalien Queen had a translucent dome but you'd have never been able to tell.
That's a fair point. However, I'd think since it would be visible in the comics and don't want it being used that it might be because they intend to make it visible in the film too.
It doesn't have to be massively obvious but the original Spaihts' script referenced it quite nicely:
"For one moment Downs's flashlight beam illuminates the Alien. A nightmare image, a translucent white goblin. Backlit, it shows the strange shape of a human face inside its fleshy skull. A mockery of Holloway."
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2016, 07:17:42 PM
Disclaimer for that quote: it's O'Bannon's recollection; Giger said (if I remember correctly) in his diary that he made a cast of a real skull that he owned. Since he was cutting it into pieces I don't think he wanted to use the real one. I will absolutely have to double-check that, though. There are plenty of real animal bones in the suit, though.
I was thinking about this last night too. They had multiple heads made for the film too and it's unlikely all of them would be real skulls. I look forward to seeing what you find.
Maybe they'll retcon and finally realise Dan O' Bannon's vision. :D
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Quote from: irn on Jun 03, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
Maybe they'll retcon and finally realise Dan O' Bannon's vision. :D
http://i.imgur.com/LKvAYHZ.jpg
haha, maybe it'll make a cameo at the very least.
However, even though you couldn't see the skull under the aliens dome, it was there right?
It was there. I think because of the way they lit it, it's hard to see, however, except in certain production stills. It kind of reminds me of Brigitte Helm as Maria, in Metropolis! when she is inside the suit. We can't see her but know she is there, or at least, the director did.
You can't see it in the film but you can see it plenty in the behind the scenes still. It was just the way it was filmed that made it not show up.
If it's not in the films then it didn't happen canonwise. Now mind you Ridley could change all that if he wants to, but I stand with my position that one of the greatest features of the Alien is it's lack of any perceptible vision apparatus. That's what makes it so Alien, and unrelatable. Give it eyes or eye sockets and it implies a level of interspecies communication that the Alien IMO shouldn't have. Don't forget the Newborn. It was mostly the eyes that ruined it...
Eyes would ruin it. Eye sockets - I disagree. They're literally empty, void, dead holes in the head where you would expect sensory organs to be but there are none. That is just as creepy as we see it in the film, if not more, to me.
I agree on the empty sockets, they are a very creepy image.
I was always really big on the Alien being so very alien to me. Unfortunately when you think about it, they facehugger itself is practically designed for a human head, not a Jockey. Also now with Prometheus, Ridley has linked both the Alien and the Engineers directly to humanity, now sadly much of that "alien-ness" is now lost for me, probably forever.
If we're going down the route of the Jockey's creating a lot of sentient life in the universe, that might suggest there'd be a design template. If we're also supposing that the Engineers themselves have been created by another race (the true Space Jockeys?) that are just emulating their creators, it would be possible that the Engineers also follow that template to a degree. Perhaps the facehuggers are designed as the red button for any of those creations?
I can get behind a lot of those ideas, still, perhaps inevitably, it does wipe away the eldritch and alien-ness of the whole thing.
It doesnt ruin the series for me, not by a long shot, but it is a bit of a bummer.
Quote from: irn on Jun 03, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
Maybe they'll retcon and finally realise Dan O' Bannon's vision. :D
http://i.imgur.com/LKvAYHZ.jpg
This would be perfect in a new Tremors movie!
The only one
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2016, 06:04:30 PM
Eyes would ruin it. Eye sockets - I disagree. They're literally empty, void, dead holes in the head where you would expect sensory organs to be but there are none. That is just as creepy as we see it in the film, if not more, to me.
I agree with this.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 03, 2016, 06:33:14 PM
If we're going down the route of the Jockey's creating a lot of sentient life in the universe, that might suggest there'd be a design template. If we're also supposing that the Engineers themselves have been created by another race (the true Space Jockeys?) that are just emulating their creators, it would be possible that the Engineers also follow that template to a degree. Perhaps the facehuggers are designed as the red button for any of those creations?
The orrery had what appeared to be 7 star systems. An original concept of Alien was that there were 8 types of eggs that each held a different type of Alien.
So perhaps they engineer the red button solution before creating a particular type of life. Just shooting into the wind here. ;)
I really like the facehugger red button idea. The goo being the liquid packaged version.
Yes eyeless soulless eye sockets. Like on the pyramid in Prometheus.