Okay so it seems from the concept art for the new movie that Blomkamp is under the impression that Hick's face is completely f**ked on one side. I never got this impression from Aliens. The acid mostly got his chest and maybe a drop/fumes of it got on his eye. You never get the impression half of his face melted off.
I mean from this...
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to this...
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is quite a stretch aint it?
Yup. Been saying that for a year now.
Yep, nothing a million mommy kisses couldn't fix. In seriousness I didn't think his face was that toasted either.
Drake's face was immediately mutilated.
But then again, he got poured on.
I agree. And I've said before that the type of scarring on his face is not consistent with an acid burn. It looks more like a flash burn from a high heat fast moving fire. Google or search online for flash burn scarring and you'll most likely agree. Acid burn would more disentigrate the skin and cortorize at the same time. Preventing it from growing back at all.
Yeah, Hicks' face was never that badly mangled in the film.
Artwork of post-Aliens Hicks always over-exaggerates it.
They ain't paying Ripley enough to wake up to that face.
Haha.
He looks like how I feel.
To sum it all up; everyone wants Sexy Hicks; not Two Face Hicks.
Given how corrosive the acid is, I wouldn't be surprised if it keep slowly burning through Hick's face, after they got out of the elevator. He might have seemed fine at first, only to have his condition worsen considerably on the ship.
Just look how much of the hull of the Nostromo a little squirt melted through in the first film. It stopped... after two floors.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Sep 11, 2015, 02:49:57 AMJust look how much of the hull of the Nostromo a little squirt melted through in the first film. It stopped... after two floors.
But therein lies your answer. He couldn't be all that badly burned because if he got enough on him to do serious damage, he'd be dead.
I always took it that he got a light spray, and most went on his armour.
Meh, just a minor continuity inconsistency 3 films and 30 years apart. It's also concept art so everything's probably exaggerated and overcharacterized so that each single picture sells a story. In the film he might just have a Nick Fury eye patch. If he's in it. Is he confirmed yet?
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Sep 11, 2015, 09:51:12 AMIs he confirmed yet?
Nope. At least not that I've heard.
Yea his armor went to shit in a hurry... the same as Drakes face. So it had to have been a light misting of acid. :laugh:
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 11, 2015, 10:37:39 AMYea his armor went to shit in a hurry... the same as Drakes face. So it had to have been a light misting of acid. :laugh:
Obviously I was talking about what hit his face.
Well if you get a drop of that acid, and you can choose, let it go and it will burn through his cheek down to his toes,
or wipe it with something so it loses power and mass and thus wiping it across its face will possibly cause this. ;)
Hey wait a minute, we don't know what happened in the time between when Rips was off the dropship. Hicks didn't look that out of shape, maybe bishop was making some piping hot coffee for Hicks when an explosion rocked the ship and he spilled it all over the left side of his face. Thus the real reason he had to be sedated and is so f**ked up looking in the promotional images.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: >:(
Well, the point of the scars is, to be, well, scars. It looks intimidating (and gross).
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on Sep 10, 2015, 09:58:53 AM
Okay so it seems from the concept art for the new movie that Blomkamp is under the impression that Hick's face is completely f**ked on one side. I never got this impression from Aliens. The acid mostly got his chest and maybe a drop/fumes of it got on his eye. You never get the impression half of his face melted off.
I mean from this...
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to this...
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is quite a stretch aint it?
It is, but then again; how accurately would they present that depiction? Sadly, Some of these concept arts you're seeing might not even make it to fruition. I hope they do though, I really like a lot of them, especially the derelict within the compound.
I like the piping hot coffee theory best
Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 12, 2015, 04:04:27 AM
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on Sep 10, 2015, 09:58:53 AM
Okay so it seems from the concept art for the new movie that Blomkamp is under the impression that Hick's face is completely f**ked on one side. I never got this impression from Aliens. The acid mostly got his chest and maybe a drop/fumes of it got on his eye. You never get the impression half of his face melted off.
I mean from this...
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to this...
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is quite a stretch aint it?
It is, but then again; how accurately would they present that depiction? Sadly, Some of these concept arts you're seeing might not even make it to fruition. I hope they do though, I really like a lot of them, especially the derelict within the compound.
I do like the concept art and hope the film stays true to the vision on display, apart from the issue of Hick's face. It just dosnt sit right. Since he's trying to nail down the tone of the first two movies I think he'd need to leave their cannon 100% intact, especially since he's already doing away with 3 and 4 (not that I mind doing away with 4).
I think he'll have minimal scarring.
Cause really. They are in the future and they can make androids with "realish" skin.
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Isn't that pic from ADI studios? I just watched Harbringer Down and, man, that movie was a huge let-down.
He won't look like that. Not a chance.
For a split second like "two face" or Drake. But not a main character for the entire film.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Sep 12, 2015, 02:38:30 PM
Isn't that pic from ADI studios? I just watched Harbringer Down and, man, that movie was a huge let-down.
Yeah, it's Tom Woodruff from ADI.
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And looks like ADI will be working on Alien 5.
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/578003404351406080 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/578003404351406080)
God damn it! Well, I hope their work for Alien 5 is better than their Kickstarter project. I am a huge lover of practical effects but that film did not impress me. I suppose a great deal of this disappointment is thanks to the monster design, which, for the most part, looked too similar for most of the film (when you could see it -- everything was pretty dark). The design itself was like a low-budget version of the alien from John Carpenter's The Thing... if we had only been introduced to one variety of that monster's transformations.
He's retconning Alien 3 but he's using ADI? :-\
Didn't ADI do the effects for Alien 3?
Lol puppet effect on ceiling.
A 1977 film looked better.
ouch! but totally true. Well it wasn't so much the puppet but the composting. Those shots should have never been used.
I don't mind the scarring, it is an awesome nod to the Aliens novels. Then again, I really despise Blomkamp's idea of the Company successfully taming the Aliens and putting freaking goggles on them. Honestly, if Blomkamp gets the film exactly how he wants it, it's going to suck.
Quote from: Dan Grant on Sep 13, 2015, 02:19:52 AM
I don't mind the scarring, it is an awesome nod to the Aliens novels. Then again, I really despise Blomkamp's idea of the Company successfully taming the Aliens and putting freaking goggles on them. Honestly, if Blomkamp gets the film exactly how he wants it, it's going to suck.
Tame Aliens? Goggles? Wat??? Were are you getting this info from?
If Hicks was in active duty for all those years since Aliens then it is completely possible that he got the scar from somewhere else.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 13, 2015, 06:35:38 AM
If Hicks was in active duty for all those years since Aliens then it is completely possible that he got the scar from somewhere else.
Of course thats possible but do you really think thats the implication of the concept art? I doubt it. Its obviously an extreme exaggeration of the acid burn from Aliens.
LISTEN TO THE MAN!
SM
He needs to chirp in.
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on Sep 13, 2015, 05:54:11 AM
Quote from: Dan Grant on Sep 13, 2015, 02:19:52 AM
I don't mind the scarring, it is an awesome nod to the Aliens novels. Then again, I really despise Blomkamp's idea of the Company successfully taming the Aliens and putting freaking goggles on them. Honestly, if Blomkamp gets the film exactly how he wants it, it's going to suck.
Tame Aliens? Goggles? Wat??? Were are you getting this info from?
He's confused with some fan art he saw. It's not official in any way.
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Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 13, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
SM
He needs to chirp in.
He's only allowed to post in the Alien-Predator Literature sub-forum.
That looks worse than the trained Velociraptors. Wtf.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 13, 2015, 11:40:23 AM
He's confused with some fan art he saw. It's not official in any way.
Oh thank God. -Sighs with relief.-
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 13, 2015, 11:40:23 AM
He's confused with some fan art he saw. It's not official in any way.
That idea is pretty ubiquitous when it comes to Alien EU. I wouldn't put it past Neill if in his plot Weyland did eventually harness aliens.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 13, 2015, 11:40:23 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 13, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
SM
He needs to chirp in.
He's only allowed to post in the Alien-Predator Literature sub-forum.
It would be rather funny if the staff here tweaked what SM's profile could view into only that specific sub-forum and he was unaware this whole time. :laugh:
Why is SM limited?
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on Sep 13, 2015, 09:04:25 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 13, 2015, 06:35:38 AM
If Hicks was in active duty for all those years since Aliens then it is completely possible that he got the scar from somewhere else.
Of course thats possible but do you really think thats the implication of the concept art? I doubt it. Its obviously an extreme exaggeration of the acid burn from Aliens.
It's the only way to legitimize the concept art as making any sense.
But if you want to REALLY get realistic, just a few drops of acid should've killed Hicks in Aliens if we are to take into account what happened in Alien when the face hugger bled on the floor of the Nostromo. The small splash that hit Hicks's armor and face would've eaten through his body like two giant bullets and he would've been dead before the elevator door even reopened.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 13, 2015, 08:42:10 PMBut if you want to REALLY get realistic, just a few drops of acid should've killed Hicks in Aliens if we are to take into account what happened in Alien when the face hugger bled on the floor of the Nostromo.
But the original
Alien isn't even consistent with itself. That tiny spurt from the Facehugger almost breaches the Nostromo's hull two decks down, yet when Ripley impales the adult with a harpoon its blood has no effect on the cable, when it should've dissolved through it in about two seconds flat.
I always assumed, like I said before, most of the acid that hit Hicks (which was only a relatively small amount anyway) hit his armour, and he was lucky enough to get that off more or less before it burned through. As for his face, I figured he just got hit by a fine spray. We know Alien blood oxidises and becomes neutral in air, so a fine mist would lose its potency quickly (greater surface area) before it could do any major damage.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2015, 07:39:21 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 13, 2015, 08:42:10 PMBut if you want to REALLY get realistic, just a few drops of acid should've killed Hicks in Aliens if we are to take into account what happened in Alien when the face hugger bled on the floor of the Nostromo.
But the original Alien isn't even consistent with itself. That tiny spurt from the Facehugger almost breaches the Nostromo's hull two decks down, yet when Ripley impales the adult with a harpoon its blood has no effect on the cable, when it should've dissolved through it in about two seconds flat.
I always assumed, like I said before, most of the acid that hit Hicks (which was only a relatively small amount anyway) hit his armour, and he was lucky enough to get that off more or less before it burned through. As for his face, I figured he just got hit by a fine spray. We know Alien blood oxidises and becomes neutral in air, so a fine mist would lose its potency quickly (greater surface area) before it could do any major damage.
Well in the original concept only the face-hugger had acid blood.
Quote from: Dan Grant on Sep 14, 2015, 08:18:34 AMWell in the original concept only the face-hugger had acid blood.
Wrong, the adult also had acid blood. They scripted a scene where its blood would eat through an airlock and partially decompress the ship. They started filming it, but cut it before it was finished.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2015, 08:33:38 AM
Quote from: Dan Grant on Sep 14, 2015, 08:18:34 AMWell in the original concept only the face-hugger had acid blood.
Wrong, the adult also had acid blood. They scripted a scene where its blood would eat through an airlock and partially decompress the ship. They started filming it, but cut it before it was finished.
I really wished that scene wasn't deleted. It would have served as a great climax.
Yeah, it would've been pretty cool. And it would've explained why Ripley's nose mysteriously starts bleeding when she is confronted by Ash :P
I always had the thought in the back of my mind that the facehuggers acid was a lot more concentrated. Hence the hull eating scene in Alien. I also always thought it wasnt even a fine spray of acid that hits Hick's face. It was the fumes of what hit and started eating his armour. I work with acid when we clean tools at work and you need to wear goggles to stop even the fumes going into your eyes. I seen a guy who didnt wear goggles and his eyes puffed up like he'd gone at it with Mike Tyson and he had to go home. This was Hydrochloric acid. Not nearly as concentrated as Alien acid.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2015, 08:56:21 AM
Yeah, it would've been pretty cool. And it would've explained why Ripley's nose mysteriously starts bleeding when she is confronted by Ash :P
It would have built up to that moment very fluidly as well. I remember back in 2004 looking endlessly for that scene, the only thing I came across was a photo in a magazine that had a picture of the alien within the corridor. Is there a video of the scene anywhere?
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on Sep 14, 2015, 09:03:16 AM
I always had the thought in the back of my mind that the facehuggers acid was a lot more concentrated. Hence the hull eating scene in Alien. I also always thought it wasnt even a fine spray of acid that hits Hick's face. It was the fumes of what hit and started eating his armour. I work with acid when we clean tools at work and you need to wear goggles to stop even the fumes going into your eyes. I seen a guy who didnt wear goggles and his eyes puffed up like he'd gone at it with Mike Tyson and he had to go home. This was Hydrochloric acid. Not nearly as concentrated as Alien acid.
:laugh:
Alien acid is a rather unorthodox concept of how acid affects its surroundings.
Here's an article on hydrofluoric acid to kind of bring more perspective to the discussion. :)
https://thechronicleflask.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/the-acid-that-really-does-eat-through-everything/ (https://thechronicleflask.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/the-acid-that-really-does-eat-through-everything/)
Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 14, 2015, 10:06:39 AMIs there a video of the scene anywhere?
The only parts they ever filmed were the inserts of Ripley and Lambert on the ship's bridge, talking into the radio. The two brief bits are included on the fancy DVD/Blu-ray releases that have all the bonus features, but to be honest they don't show a lot and are pretty unexciting by themselves.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2015, 10:11:52 AM
Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 14, 2015, 10:06:39 AMIs there a video of the scene anywhere?
The only parts they ever filmed were the inserts of Ripley and Lambert on the ship's bridge, talking into the radio. The two brief bits are included on the fancy DVD/Blu-ray releases that have all the bonus features, but to be honest they don't show a lot and are pretty unexciting by themselves.
Correct me if I'm wrong, would they so happen to include the scene where Ripley asks Lambert is she has slept with Ash?
Yeah, that's on there. It's a separate scene though.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2015, 10:56:41 AM
Yeah, that's on there. It's a separate scene though.
That's right! It's been so long. I remember reading on an intended sex scene between Dallas and Ripley once but I can't confirm whether that was a rumor or not.
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 13, 2015, 05:42:31 PM
Why is SM limited?
He's probably limiting himself. Or the First Lady is.
Or maybe the new lieutenant is too good to post with the rest of us grunts. :P
Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 14, 2015, 11:07:00 AM
I remember reading on an intended sex scene between Dallas and Ripley once but I can't confirm whether that was a rumor or not.
It was in an earlier version of the script. There might be some storyboard sketches or Ridleygrams of it as well.
Quote from: Alien Script Draft
NARCISSUS Int.
RIPLEY: I thought I'd find you here.
Dallas continues to stare.
DALLAS: Are the nets finished?
Pause.
RIPLEY: We've got an hour ... Look I need some relief.
DALLAS: Why did you wait until now?
Ripley leans forward.
RIPLEY: Let me tell you something. You keep staring out there long enough, they'll be peeling you off the wall.
Ripley begins taking off her boots.
DALLAS: We're the new pioneers, Ripley. We even get to have our own special disease.
RIPLEY: I'm tired of talking.
She rises and removes her upper garments.
DALLAS: You waited too long.
RIPLEY: Give it a try anyway.
QuoteNARCISSUS Int.
RIPLEY: I thought I'd find you here.
Dallas continues to stare.
DALLAS: Are the nets finished?
Pause.
RIPLEY: We've got an hour ... Look I need some relief.
DALLAS: Why did you wait until now?
Ripley leans forward.
RIPLEY: Let me tell you something. You keep staring out there long enough, they'll be peeling you off the wall.
Ripley begins taking off her boots.
DALLAS: We're the new pioneers, Ripley. We even get to have our own special disease.
RIPLEY: I'm tired of talking.
She rises and removes her upper garments.
DALLAS: You waited too long.
RIPLEY: Give it a try anyway.
I'm assuming this was after the chestburster emerged?
QuoteDALLAS: Are the nets finished?
Good thing it never got in to the film...
Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 14, 2015, 11:07:00 AMI remember reading on an intended sex scene between Dallas and Ripley once but I can't confirm whether that was a rumor or not.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 14, 2015, 01:18:31 PMIt was in an earlier version of the script. There might be some storyboard sketches or Ridleygrams of it as well.
It was never filmed for the movie, but it
was filmed as one of Sigourney Weaver's screen tests. That's also in the special features somewhere. I forget the name of the guy who plays Dallas in it but I can tell you he also has a tiny part in
The Spy Who Loved Me, as they American submariner who gets shocked by XXX taking a shower in the Captain's cabin.
Quote from: System Apollo on Sep 14, 2015, 01:39:46 PM
I'm assuming this was after the chestburster emerged?
Looks like it. I presume Ash was still busy cobbling together the motion tracker and Parker and Brett were looking for or making nets. Will have to find that draft and check again.
But in the film there is a scene in which Dallas sits in the Narcissus listening to classical music while still on the planet. That was supposed to be when Ripley arrives looking for some love.
There was an even earlier draft in which it was Dallas and Lambert (or at least an earlier version of her under a different name) where they do it in the ships observation blister.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2015, 03:19:49 PM
It was never filmed for the movie, but it was filmed as one of Sigourney Weaver's screen tests. That's also in the special features somewhere. I forget the name of the guy who plays Dallas in it but I can tell you he also has a tiny part in The Spy Who Loved Me, as they American submariner who gets shocked by XXX taking a shower in the Captain's cabin.
Ray Hasset mayhap?
To be fair though, this is one of the ways they could hide Micheal's without spending a ton of money on CG to make him look not as old.
Why bother though. It's 30 years later?!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 14, 2015, 07:39:21 AM
Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 13, 2015, 08:42:10 PMBut if you want to REALLY get realistic, just a few drops of acid should've killed Hicks in Aliens if we are to take into account what happened in Alien when the face hugger bled on the floor of the Nostromo.
But the original Alien isn't even consistent with itself. That tiny spurt from the Facehugger almost breaches the Nostromo's hull two decks down, yet when Ripley impales the adult with a harpoon its blood has no effect on the cable, when it should've dissolved through it in about two seconds flat.
I always assumed, like I said before, most of the acid that hit Hicks (which was only a relatively small amount anyway) hit his armour, and he was lucky enough to get that off more or less before it burned through. As for his face, I figured he just got hit by a fine spray. We know Alien blood oxidises and becomes neutral in air, so a fine mist would lose its potency quickly (greater surface area) before it could do any major damage.
Agreed. There's one part where ash is discussing the facehugger with Ripley and states that it is constantly replacing it's cells because they are rapidly dying off. Maybe that's why they acid wasn't so bad when Ripley hit it with the harpoon. Perhaps after expelling so much energy egg morphing it was resting. Trying to replinish it's energy and replacing its cells. That could explain why the acid wasn't as potent. The cell count or molecular breakdown of the acid was halfway neutralized.
The hive wars hicks has an eye patch. I just assumed he was fine and if he was in a sequel hes face would be fine. In the colonial marines game he wasn't all scared and stuff.