After AvP Galaxy's interview with Creative Assembly saying,
"We wanted to imply that a Queen was on board but it didn't feel like facing off against a boss Alien Queen was very... "Alien". We were caught in a riddle of, "If we show an Alien Queen, the player will expect to fight her" and "If we don't show her, people will ask where the eggs come from". In the end we figured it was best to preserve the suspense and mystery by not explicitly showing her.
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Does this mean that there's a strong chance that the Queen will be revealed in the sequel since they didn't show where the eggs come from "yet". If it is all a mystery very much played out from the first Alien, since there was a lot of mystery and tension to the film can we expect a more Aliens based game the next time around? These are questions I had during the game since we never really figured out where the eggs come from. Do you think the same formula used in Alien Isolation will be used in the follow up? I'd hope they take a different route the next time around to preserve the experience of the first game.
Quote from: Chronicle on Dec 10, 2014, 11:38:48 PMDo you think the same formula used in Alien Isolation will be used in the follow up? I'd hope they take a different route the next time around to preserve the experience of the first game.
Not sure what you mean by that.
I think he means stealthy/sneaky game. Please CA don't go down the Aliens road. Less action more tension approach worked just fine.
I'm not entirely sure where CA could go with a sequel.
A lot of the greatness and terror in Isolation was down to the unknown. That first time through, when you didn't know exactly what the Alien would do or where it was likely to show up, was by far the best the game had to offer. It was still a wonderful game on repeat play, and still had it's share of terror, but the fact you had some idea of what to expect meant it noticeably lost it's edge. I worry a sequel that just tries to repeat the same formula would have that disadvantage from the get-go.
CA definitely need to mix it up a little if they want another game as good as the first.
I think action and tension can co-exist. It just needs to be done properly. I would prefer it leaning towards survival-horror however.
I would actually like to be stalked/hunted/chased by a Queen at some point in the next one. Would be batshit scary. :laugh:
Quote from: PsyKore on Dec 11, 2014, 11:05:39 AM
I think action and tension can co-exist. It just needs to be done properly. I would prefer it leaning towards survival-horror however.
I agree. They are not mutually exclusive. I think a good
Alien action game should have you feeling quesy rather than exhilirated, But nobody seems to care about striking that balance in a game. It's a very didactic view out there: action is dumb and tension-free, being unarmed/lone Alien is suspense incarnate. I think
Aliens is incredibly suspenseful *shrugs*
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2014, 10:57:00 AM
I worry a sequel that just tries to repeat the same formula would have that disadvantage from the get-go.
CA definitely need to mix it up a little if they want another game as good as the first.
I agree, even though Isolation was a fantastic Alien game with tons of replay value and meaningful, terrifying encounters I really badly don't want them to repeat the same formula. Lets do something different. I think CA has just as much potential to make a marvelous Aliens based game as they did with the first Alien. By repeating the same formula they will only tend to 'milk' this franchise down further and those same type of scares will not be as terrifying as they once were. By mixing things up a bit and bringing in a new fresh slate to this hopefully so called 'series' we will be able to see more of the universe than just Scott's vision. The other 3 films made a lot of accomplishments and the atmosphere in a lot of the sequels along with the set designs are very worthy of seeing in a game. Surrounding everything from the first film over and over again just doesn't seem terribly exciting to me.
I think they could totally do ALIENS justice in vidya gaem form. They could add suspense through fully destructible environments. Let's imagine you play a Colonial Marine tasked with safe guarding a mission to bring Xenomorphs back to Weyland Yutani at Gateway Station and they escape en route. You could blast them away but the acid would leak through the floors/walls, creating new dangers and possible breaches in hull integrity. The story could change in an instant.
I guess I'm just spitballin' but I would really appreciate a game like that. Something where you could create a character and take them through these series of missions only to potentially have them die off before the final act and have to start over. Plus we've never had a game where acid blood actually did anything to the environment. I want the Aliens equivalent of Red Faction (inb4 Armageddon).
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Jan 29, 2015, 12:25:25 AMRed Faction
That game was immense. The first one anyway.
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Jan 29, 2015, 12:25:25 AM
I think they could totally do ALIENS justice in vidya gaem form.
I think so too. But doesn't seem to be where Creative Assembly want to go.
I would love to experience something akin to Alien/Aliens. Limited ammo, still stealth and still having the ability to sneak around if need be. But destructible scenery where you can weld through some materials, use seismic charges and even acid blood to try and make your way around the locations.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2015, 12:50:41 PMI would love to experience something akin to Alien/Aliens. Limited ammo, still stealth and still having the ability to sneak around if need be. But destructible scenery where you can weld through some materials, use seismic charges and even acid blood to try and make your way around the locations.
Building on that, I wonder how feasible it would be to just have a set (but expansive) location, and the only objective is to survive for a set period of time. You could come up with your own strategies, either fortify a certain area or travel light and keep on the move. Choose to band together with others or go it alone. The destructible environment would change with each encounter and with the fluid AI no two encounters would ever be the same. There may be secondary objectives that could perhaps aid in your survival, but they wouldn't be strictly necessary.
Maybe you couldn't make an entire game out of that, but you could certainly include sections along those lines.
It'd make a much better kind of Survivor/Bughunt mode, that's for sure. But not as the basis for a whole game, no.
The Queen would be dead due to the events of the game, however, that is not to say someone won't stumble on the eggs....again and a Queen will possibly be present again....though that would just be another rehash. I don't think CA should go the movies route i.e Alien = Aliens, they should keep it a horror but give you more to fight with, I mean I am not adverse to the idea of a colonial marine or a early version of them being present and having to fight an Alien or more, but ammo should be very limited and the Alien should still kill you as soon as it gets to you, basically given you the message that despite being armed: "it won't make any difference" ;D well, maybe a little, certainly not enough to empower you, just enough so its a different experience to the first game.
I'd actually quite like to see more about the Colonial Marshals.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 29, 2015, 05:33:49 PM
The Queen would be dead due to the events of the game, however, that is not to say someone won't stumble on the eggs....again and a Queen will possibly be present again....though that would just be another rehash. I don't think CA should go the movies route i.e Alien = Aliens, they should keep it a horror but give you more to fight with, I mean I am not adverse to the idea of a colonial marine or a early version of them being present and having to fight an Alien or more, but ammo should be very limited and the Alien should still kill you as soon as it gets to you, basically given you the message that despite being armed: "it won't make any difference" ;D well, maybe a little, certainly not enough to empower you, just enough so its a different experience to the first game.
Very good way at looking at it.
I think having the marines be super vulnerable in a terrifying environment would be perfect. I just don't like the idea of Creative Assembly negating the sequels because their so caught up with the first film. Aliens is just too good to pass up and I don't see why their trying to steer clear of it. Maybe since Sega and Gearbox already kind of f**ked up on Colonial Marines and that was already attempted. That might be a reason. But the game was terrible, not many play it anymore and its long since been forgotten by many. I think Sega would be very relieved to hear such a request to make an Aliens game.
I love the horror in the first film because it really does bring you back to Alien but why are we doing that again guys? Wouldn't it be more appealing to have a whole new outake for an Alien game?
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 29, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 29, 2015, 05:33:49 PM
The Queen would be dead due to the events of the game, however, that is not to say someone won't stumble on the eggs....again and a Queen will possibly be present again....though that would just be another rehash. I don't think CA should go the movies route i.e Alien = Aliens, they should keep it a horror but give you more to fight with, I mean I am not adverse to the idea of a colonial marine or a early version of them being present and having to fight an Alien or more, but ammo should be very limited and the Alien should still kill you as soon as it gets to you, basically given you the message that despite being armed: "it won't make any difference" ;D well, maybe a little, certainly not enough to empower you, just enough so its a different experience to the first game.
Very good way at looking at it.
I think having the marines be super vulnerable in a terrifying environment would be perfect. I just don't like the idea of Creative Assembly negating the sequels because their so caught up with the first film. Aliens is just too good to pass up and I don't see why their trying to steer clear of it. Maybe since Sega and Gearbox already kind of f**ked up on Colonial Marines and that was already attempted. That might be a reason. But the game was terrible, not many play it anymore and its long since been forgotten by many. I think Sega would be very relieved to hear such a request to make an Aliens game.
I love the horror in the first film because it really does bring you back to Alien but why are we doing that again guys? Wouldn't it be more appealing to have a whole new outake for an Alien game?
I think the reason for the focus on Alien rather than Aliens is not merely because of A:CM (though I would not blame them if it was) but because nearly all games such as AVP and Infestion has already tried to replicate Aliens as they always have the colonial marines in them in some shape or form and with same lax attitude (sprucing up their armor) and the aliens are mostly Warriors (with some Runners) and not to mention Queen bosses. So its refreshing to make a game based upon the first film for a change. :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2015, 05:42:39 PM
I'd actually quite like to see more about the Colonial Marshals.
Me too. I would have prefered to have seen them in River of Pain.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2015, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2015, 05:42:39 PM
I'd actually quite like to see more about the Colonial Marshals.
Me too. I would have prefered to have seen them in River of Pain.
YES.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2015, 09:47:14 PMMe too. I would have prefered to have seen them in River of Pain.
Definitely.
I would love a sequel in the same style without marines and queen. Just because I feel there is still so much potential.
After that I would of course love a good more shooter like game. It should be still scary as hell though.
Shooters can be. The first level of AvP (2010) had some good atmosphere. As did Classic.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 30, 2015, 11:50:09 AMShooters can be. The first level of AvP (2010) had some good atmosphere. As did Classic.
That first Marine mission was awesome. It covered the whole spectrum from slow-paced fear to frantic terror.
Well yeah, A:CM had those scenes too, but it's not comparable with the intense suspense of A:I. Of course you'll lose some of the suspense in a shooter, but I prefer something more closer to A:I.
Quote from: vikingr on Jan 30, 2015, 12:19:52 PMWell yeah, A:CM had those scenes too, but it's not comparable with the intense suspense of A:I.
ACM didn't have those scenes at all. It had virtually zero tension in it (and if you discount the first half of the Raven level, it had
literally zero tension). That was it's biggest problem.
ACM didn't approach anywhere near the atmosphere AvP had IMHO. The only effective bit was the sewer section and after your first play through, it was just was flipping ridiculous. Aside from the jungle sections, I thought 2010 maintained a very nice atmosphere throughout the game.
I had more scare jumps and tension at the first missions of A:CM as at playing he first AvP mission. (I just started with AvP)
I know about all the hate A:CM receives but I liked it and was sometimes scared (in the first missions). So I can't second your opinion about it to have no tension. That isn't true at all. Maybe the tension get lost when your pissed it being not the game you wanted it to be. I could understand that.
I played it a month ago, when all updates were released and directx11 support was available. Still the story is pretty linear and I hate the spitters and the raven.
A:CM was indeed a bad game but I did enjoy some parts of it even if it was for mindless fun :laugh: but there really was no tension in the game, well arguably there was in sewer scene and getting chased by the Raven, but that wore off pretty quickly because of how easy is it to beat it in ultimate badass mode.
AVP2010 was not the best either, at worst its mediocre and gets boring quickly, at best its average with good animations and quite fun, but the (really) short campaigns, lack of engagment and emersion of being an Alien or Predator coupled with bad multiplayer setup (if this was done right, the game would be really popular) ruins the game, however, the marine campaign is arguably the best and in the first few levels, it does capture some of the tension of previous avp games, the second game by monolith arguably still tops it though.
I wouldn't mind another stealth based game as a follow up, perhaps with a colonial marine as the main character, however he/she gets disarmed somehow and isolated. Creating a similar game to A:Isolation... until he/she gets their hands on a pulse rifle or even a smartgun late in the game and the tables turn, perhaps a run and gun mission towards the end to escape from wherever the setting is, and the aliens are still tough and of course the guns are useless agaisnt the queen
I think the isolation follow up should feature yautja. Wouldn't that be a huge surprise to everyone if you we're about to get killed by xeno and a pred sliced its head off. That would be the best.
I don't know, they could simply make seperate game about the Predator in where you are hunted by it. There is no need to mix and mash them in a game designed to reference only Alien. If they wanted a predator in it, it wouldn't be Alien Isolation 2, it would be an AVP game.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 31, 2015, 03:22:05 PM
I don't know, they could simply make seperate game about the Predator in where you are hunted by it. There is no need to mix and mash them in a game designed to reference only Alien. If they wanted a predator in it, it wouldn't be Alien Isolation 2, it would be an AVP game.
I second that. A Alien: Isolation like game with a Predator hunting the player would be awesome. But if I got to choose between Alien: Isolation 2 and "Predator: Isolation", I'll choose Alien.
I'm not a big fan of AvP in general so I don't want to see something like that instead of single franchise stuff.
I'm completely fine with a direct sequel to A:I starring Amanda. I'm curious to see some questions answered. That being said, if the never answer those questions and move forward, I'm fine with that too. I would hazard a guess they will increase the action in the next game. The queen will pretty much be a given.
I think a neat scenario based off Aliens could be a group of colonial marines (or even marshals, sporting less gear) being picked off one by one by a small group of aliens where there are broken weapon mechanics(or lost weapon mechanics!) where on contact with the xeno(like surviving with a flamethrower in AI) would make you drop a weapon and you would have to double back for it. If they adjusted the AI to be much higher and have an alien always located near a dropped weapon it could get really tense. Once you retrieve it or move on, AI would adjust back to normal.
There are a lot of scenarios that would allow for the use of Colonial Marines and not make it a full on action FPS. What about a military prison? Access to weapons would be extremely difficult(as modern prisons don't allow weapons behind secure areas).
I would be happy with any of the following:
colony
mining installation
a really big space ship(maybe the actual refinery the Nostromo was pulling)
another space station, but designed differently with like a big biosphere so we can have the alien in an environment with vegetation(maybe a space resort with pools, casinos, fake beaches, basically places with really fleshed out interiors)
Gateway Station(nerdrage would be epic lol)
I'd love to see the Queen in a sequel, even if the sequel isn't as heavy action oriented as the Aliens film. I just hope Creative Assembly does something special with the next game and isn't just the same game in a different location.
As for a Predator game, I'm not sure how they can make a game like based on Alien: Isolation. All of it's gadgets and abilities are too focused on action, not horror.
Quote from: Watchful Guardian on Feb 01, 2015, 08:42:17 PM
I'd love to see the Queen in a sequel, even if the sequel isn't as heavy action oriented as the Aliens film. I just hope Creative Assembly does something special with the next game and isn't just the same game in a different location.
As for a Predator game, I'm not sure how they can make a game like based on Alien: Isolation. All of it's gadgets and abilities are too focused on action, not horror.
The Queen wasn't shown because they (CA) didn't want there to be scenerio where you would have to fight it or for the player to assume/want to, and its a "been there done that" sort of thing.
If a Queen is going to be in sequel and shown/active, then the player should not be able to fight it (at least directly) they should have to run from it similar to The Raven situation....the possibly only good part of that game. :laugh:
That depends, I think it can be done, the predator actively hunting you but toying with you as well so it won't necessarily use its heavy gadgets like the plasma caster, except on your team mates or if you take it upon yourself to use more powerful weapons like a minigun, which will prompt it to use its plasma weaponry. Big advantage = Big disadvantage.
Since people are musing about 'Isolations' in other franchises, you know what would really freak me out?
HALLOWEEN.
Especially if it too kept that 70s vibe. And imagine that theme music coming in when he gets near you...
Nice, speaking of Carpenter movies, how the The Thing? CA should definitely create a Thing game, the previous one wasn't too bad, but the potenial from that (the trust, fear mechanic) could be realized in a "Isolation" type game. First person, limited weapons, only fire works (what a coincidence :laugh:) you're stuck with group of people who may or may not be compromised and you and the team have to investigate dark areas i.e abandoned stations, original norwegian one maybe or something, just look how creepy Sevastopol was, its dark hallways and corners, its vents, the dead bodies. The Alien Drone was scary, but The Thing which as you know can shapeshift; be a horrible mass of mouths and tentacles, or even your fellow team mate who you could be alone with, is far more scary me thinks.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 01, 2015, 11:59:13 PM
Nice, speaking of Carpenter movies, how the The Thing? CA should definitely create a Thing game, the previous one wasn't too bad, but the potenial from that (the trust, fear mechanic) could be realized in a "Isolation" type game. First person, limited weapons, only fire works (what a coincidence :laugh:) you're stuck with group of people who may or may not be compromised and you and the team have to investigate dark areas i.e abandoned stations, original norwegian one maybe or something, just look how creepy Sevastopol was, its dark hallways and corners, its vents, the dead bodies. The Alien Drone was scary, but The Thing which as you know can shapeshift; be a horrible mass of mouths and tentacles, or even your fellow team mate who you could be alone with, is far more scary me thinks.
Oh yes, The Thing would be my #1. That other game was mostly great, but so much more could be done. Starting with, as
Corporal Hicks says, a destructible environment... watch where you're pointing that flamethrower, son!
[EDIT: Imagine what could be done with a multiplayer component!]
I think Creative Assembly can do Aliens wayyy better than Gearbox ever dreamed of/promised. I would like to see and fight a Queen, with weaponry actually doing damage unlike ACM where "armor piercing rounds" can take down a Crusher but not the Queen, who has been seen in comics being decimated by standard USCM weaponry. She's tough, but not invincible. We have not seen the Queen on screen get blasted, or shot even once, since Ripley ran out of ammo in Aliens, and no one happened to have a weapon when the Queen was present in AR and AvP.
Id rather no queen and keeping it more inline with the first game. Would rather have egg morphing for the game.
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Feb 02, 2015, 02:14:15 AM
I think Creative Assembly can do Aliens wayyy better than Gearbox ever dreamed of/promised.
Without a doubt. Then again, Gearbox themselves I am sure are capable of creating a good game but they f**ked up to the point where I will never purchase a product from them again. I am among the many of us who were very excited about the game ever since 2006 when it was "announced" then I actively followed it from 2008ish onward when they released those first screen shots. Even if Gearbox did a game on their own without f**kin outsourcing it. They shouldn't even be given the chance to... Still saddens me as to what happened.
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Feb 02, 2015, 02:14:15 AMI would like to see and fight a Queen, with weaponry actually doing damage unlike ACM where "armor piercing rounds" can take down a Crusher but not the Queen, who has been seen in comics being decimated by standard USCM weaponry. She's tough, but not invincible. We have not seen the Queen on screen get blasted, or shot even once, since Ripley ran out of ammo in Aliens, and no one happened to have a weapon when the Queen was present in AR and AvP.
Yes and no. As much as I love ALIENS I want the franchise to try and stay on the direction where the Xenos are absolutely terrifying and intimidating. That doesn't mean invincible though! I'd personally be fine if CA did an ALIEN or ALIENS game where even USCM weapons did little to the Xenomorphs and they could explain it through a variety of ways.
After encountering the firepower firsthand on LV-426, the Xenos have since forth adapted to toughen their resistance to such weapons through their collective genetic memory. Adapt or die.
Also as we're all aware. A:I did retcon a few things in regards to the overall story line. But they did it well. Would anyone be alright if perhaps they went further and brought Amanda further in to the point where explaining the picture Burke shows Ripley was pretty much a fake and the story coverup for what truly happens to Amanda after ALIEN: Isolation?
This would allow us to take Amanda's story further.
Maybe I am missing something but what exactly did they retcon? The gap between Alien and Aliens was empty, nothing could be contradicted, Amanda lives so she still grew old and died of whatever she died of.
Spoiler
Everyone but Amanda dies so there is no proof of the Xenomorphs existence and so Ellen Ripley still can't convince the board, and as per Henry speech, I doubt Amanda would say anything lest she endangers people
Many good ideas here. I'd love in the sequel we could actually damage the alien. In A:I I had many moments were I managed to put various bullets into the creature and escape, and apart from few green stains on the floor there was no effect. It would be so cool good trap made out of explosives could blast off creatures tale or limb.
Quote from: Master on Feb 04, 2015, 05:27:16 PM
Many good ideas here. I'd love in the sequel we could actually damage the alien. In A:I I had many moments were I managed to put various bullets into the creature and escape, and apart from few green stains on the floor there was no effect. It would be so cool good trap made out of explosives could blast off creatures tale or limb.
Or how in the Alien novelization (ADF), Parker closes a door on the creature, severing a limb/tail off, causing major acid damage to the ship. I would really enjoy being able to reach a damage threshold in that you can wound the creature, causing it to retreat like when you blast it via flamethrower.
how about having 2 playable characters, each having different abilites (like in the old Resident Evil games, and like in some of the DLCs), one could have a sneaky, Isolation like story, one could have a bit more action in it. eg. Amanda and a marine, colonial marshall, but i want pulse rifle or some sort of that, heavy weapons, no more of the shotgun wont hit the alien bullshit....because that was just that
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 04, 2015, 11:51:00 PM
how about having 2 playable characters, each having different abilites (like in the old Resident Evil games, and like in some of the DLCs), one could have a sneaky, Isolation like story, one could have a bit more action in it. eg. Amanda and a marine, colonial marshall, but i want pulse rifle or some sort of that, heavy weapons, no more of the shotgun wont hit the alien bullshit....because that was just that
Ouch, you ripped that idea right out of my mind, I always thought that would make a good game mechanic as it allows you to experience it in two ways horror and action and making sure the gameplay doesn't get old, not that isolation got old, I enjoyed it all but colonial marines and action aliens games are old, its been done since the first AVP game and so by making switch characters, you will learn to appreciate the advantages the Marine gives without being over-powered. One minute you're a engineer or colonist with no weapons except some tools to get through doors, and then you're a marine, able to fight back (with limited ammo) but lacks any of the equipment to get to closed off areas, thus having to wait for the other character to progress there.
The shotgun does drive the alien back a bit, what you got to remember is realistcally speaking, weapons on a space stations are not going to have high penetration, its enough to kill people but not an armored creature like the Xenomorph which moves fast enough it rarely gets hit with direct forward shots.
And as I recall the only time we ever see the Aliens damaged by small arms are when the Hicks' shotgun is literally inside the Aliens mouth and when Vasquez (or more accurately Gale Anne Hurd :P ) has her pistol at literally point blank.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 05, 2015, 03:42:42 PMwhen Vasquez (or more accurately Gale Anne Hurd :P ) has her pistol at literally point blank.
Even then she has to unload the best part of a full magazine to do any real damage.
Yep, same with gorman, they both ran out of ammo and the Xenomorphs were not slowed in the least. They had to resort to a grenade to kill them.
The pulse rifles worked because they were armor-piercing.
They should add a DLC with the queen in it.
There was a Queen in the game, she was just not shown because then players would expect to fight her. CA themselves said this.
its up to my imagination where she is, and im fine with that btw ..for now. btw CA could do the same thing what i wrote before in a DLC, only thing they should had add an unused pulse rifle in the story line to fit in with the DLC with a colonial marshall + more action, shooting. and in a DLC they could test it how would it work and how many people would like this action packed style before they would go big in a sequel even if only for one character
A colonial marshal with a pulse rifle doesn't fit imo. He isn't a soldier and those are the only ones who carry assault rifles in general.
There could be carbine variations. They'd probably carry carbines or SMGs or PDWs.
In the book Apone recognized pulse rifle bullet marks in Hadley's.
Maybe just the translation went wrong.
In the film he says "small arms fire". That doesn't necessarily mean a Pulse Rifle. Could be anything from a revolver to a military rifle.
Isolation got away from guns and shooting, it would be a huge step back for them to go down the action root. why do people on here insist on asking for derivative shit
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 08, 2015, 08:30:42 AM
Isolation got away from guns and shooting, it would be a huge step back for them to go down the action root. why do people on here insist on asking for derivative shit
^This.
Isolation had enough guns to survive, not to engage in unneeded battles.
I can understand why some people keep asking for asking for guns, Aliens is usually considered the high point of the series and is very iconic and the most emulated, so everyone wants to be in THAT world over the Alien one. Also some of the best games were shooters back in the day, not only was avp 1 and 2 one of the best horror games to merge well with action but had good multiplayer, AVP2010 and A:CM never captured the goodness of the both genre, so I am guessing people are still waiting for a modern AVP/Aliens game that actually delivers, like AVP and its sequel did.
Then of course we have COD games which are pretty much the same game every year with slight differences and arguably weak plots and this counts as a good AAA these days to youngsters and casual gamers, its been repeatedly shown that today's gamers would fail at the old games, especially the very old games :laugh: they actually put it to the test as well in one video I saw and some didn't even know what a NES was. :o Point is, a lot of peeps are used to simply running and gunning, thanks to what most games are like these days, not saying FPS is bad, some are down right brilliant but Isolation is a survival game, a horror, their intent was not to be a shooter, it is based on Alien, not Aliens, people need to respect that.
Think about it as well, how many Alien/avp games have already emulated or been based of Aliens versus those that have been based on Alien? too many, Its refreshing to have one based on the first film.
I am not sure but I think this happened to Dead Space as well, it started off as a horror but by the third game, I think it became something else and was consequently not as good as before. Never played it myself though.
This argument is pointless. Matter of tastes.
Dead Space indeed became something else. I thought it was good, but it wasn't the Dead Space that surprised everyone.
I think Isolation should evolve within it's own genre. That doesn't mean it can't have action elements as long as it doesn't turn into run and gun, it will retain it's unique style and experience. I would prefer it do that because we already have plenty of Aliens FPS games to fall back to. Not that I would turn my nose at a Creative Assembly effort.
I don't think Colonial Marshals having Pulse Rifles(in a similar time frame as Aliens) would be incorrect at all. Most law enforcement these days has access to AR-15 rifles, which are merely semi-automatic versions of the M16. It's essentially the same rifle in everything but select fire. AR-41A?
It would undermine everything that CA did with isolation. It's not a question of taste it's a question of what's the best way to utilise the license
So glad this was an 'ALIEN' game - and not another 'ALIENS' game.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: razeak on Feb 09, 2015, 01:24:35 AM
I don't think Colonial Marshals having Pulse Rifles(in a similar time frame as Aliens) would be incorrect at all. Most law enforcement these days has access to AR-15 rifles, which are merely semi-automatic versions of the M16. It's essentially the same rifle in everything but select fire. AR-41A?
Oh, didn't know that. Thought they only carry pistols, revolvers and shotguns. Thanks for the information.
The police over here - at least at the airports and London - carry G36Cs, little carbine versions of the German G36s. It's not outside the realms of possibility.
However, it's not the idea of seeing a return to the guns and ammo, it's the idea of seeing that aspect taken and "fixed" that is exciting. Speaking personally here, anyway. Like I've said quite a few times around here - limited ammo, destructible scenery, that kind of thing. You've got to pick the right moment to shoot, to move, to blow things up.
Over here too, but those aren't normal police officers, I think. Some kind of a special unit.
I thought about the sheriffs in movies. But I may be wrong of course.
Let's not forget this is an American station (given that the Marshals are American). It wouldn't be at all surprising if they had access to an armoury containing rifles and other weaponry more powerful than their standard carry. In fact I'd say it would be more surprising if they didn't have such weapons stashed somewhere.
So here I got a source finally:
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/240891-joe-arpaio-rifles-arizona-sheriff-arming-deputies-with-semi-automatic-rifles/ (http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/240891-joe-arpaio-rifles-arizona-sheriff-arming-deputies-with-semi-automatic-rifles/)
So semi-automatic pulse rifle seem to be the most dangerous firearm they should have imo. Pistols and shotguns still should be the main part. So the biggest different in armament could be, that the Colonial Marshal would carry a revolver just from the start.
Most American police forces have had access to assault rifles ever since the North Hollywood Shootout in 1997.
It's not a great idea to have large caliber weapons on a space station location. Shotguns and pistols were fine. The main reason there wasn't weapons like pulse rifles was because they didn't want you to kill the alien. They didn't have pulse rifles in Alien so why would they have them here?
I wasn't criticising the choice not to include them in the game; far from it. Just pointing out it wouldn't be unreasonable for the Colonial Marshals to have access to them. Although as you say, firing a high-powered rifle on a space station may not be the smartest move.
But then again, people have access to magnum revolvers in the game, and some of the notes you find lying around talk about public ownership of weapons on the station. Presumably if civilians owning guns is an issue, they can't be a catastrophic threat to the integrity of the station's hull.
They are only small arms fire though, on hard mode, it takes 5-6 headshots to bring down a Joe, I doubt they could penetrate the glass or hull of the station. Hence why can't harm the Alien beyond irritating it, they are weak weapons.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 08, 2015, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 08, 2015, 08:30:42 AM
Isolation got away from guns and shooting, it would be a huge step back for them to go down the action root. why do people on here insist on asking for derivative shit
^This.
Isolation had enough guns to survive, not to engage in unneeded battles.
I can understand why some people keep asking for asking for guns, Aliens is usually considered the high point of the series and is very iconic and the most emulated, so everyone wants to be in THAT world over the Alien one. Also some of the best games were shooters back in the day, not only was avp 1 and 2 one of the best horror games to merge well with action but had good multiplayer, AVP2010 and A:CM never captured the goodness of the both genre, so I am guessing people are still waiting for a modern AVP/Aliens game that actually delivers, like AVP and its sequel did.
Then of course we have COD games which are pretty much the same game every year with slight differences and arguably weak plots and this counts as a good AAA these days to youngsters and casual gamers, its been repeatedly shown that today's gamers would fail at the old games, especially the very old games :laugh: they actually put it to the test as well in one video I saw and some didn't even know what a NES was. :o Point is, a lot of peeps are used to simply running and gunning, thanks to what most games are like these days, not saying FPS is bad, some are down right brilliant but Isolation is a survival game, a horror, their intent was not to be a shooter, it is based on Alien, not Aliens, people need to respect that.
Think about it as well, how many Alien/avp games have already emulated or been based of Aliens versus those that have been based on Alien? too many, Its refreshing to have one based on the first film.
I am not sure but I think this happened to Dead Space as well, it started off as a horror but by the third game, I think it became something else and was consequently not as good as before. Never played it myself though.
Wow. Excellent post. I was going to say something similar but you hit the nail on the head. Ever since games became REALLY mainstream they certainly declined in quality like everything else that has to have a dollar sign attached to it. As much as I loved AVP 1 and 2 (and I hope we get another great one down the road) I did like the change of pace for A:I. and if we get a sequel I want it to stay in that style even though I do prefer the AVP 1 and 2 route. I wouldn't mind future Alien games executing a dichotomy of action AVPish games and horror A:I games.
little bit of action isnt bad for anyone if it used well. take into account the Resident Evil games. play the remake now, just came out. has loads of weapons, not so much bullets, not so much first aids, loads of enemies. try it if you see survivor horror in it or not.
and im not sure i want to play the exact same game, with the same type of resources as in Isolation in a sequel. would be just dull..how on earth you get in there againxD
so i hope at CA they will think outside the box and do whatever they want to the franchise by keeping the surivor horror elements.
sidenote: i want characters this time! Isolation was okay, BUT now i want characters to worry about. and thats a demand for sure :D i want them more than some rifles
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 09, 2015, 08:23:31 AM
The police over here - at least at the airports and London - carry G36Cs, little carbine versions of the German G36s. It's not outside the realms of possibility.
However, it's not the idea of seeing a return to the guns and ammo, it's the idea of seeing that aspect taken and "fixed" that is exciting. Speaking personally here, anyway. Like I've said quite a few times around here - limited ammo, destructible scenery, that kind of thing. You've got to pick the right moment to shoot, to move, to blow things up.
This.
Honestly, I think the step towards giving a hypothetical sequel more guns, but "fair" is still a wrong move. Honestly a sequel should stay with the same gun mechanics and expand on IED, DIY weaponry that was explored in concept. Things like, say, ammo crafting and moddable ammunition. Creating something like the Boltgun but strapping a flamethrower to it. And it also depends on the setting. If you place it not on a station, but a ship, you have more interesting mechanics. You can't fire on the Alien often enough at higher decks because, though in shorter battles with it the acid stops at a point, if you keep it up, you end up with a catastrophic hull breach. And even lower decks it is totally inadvisable to fire on it. And also, Working Joes would totally be void in this hypothetical sequel so I think, making it even more intimate with the alien is a possibility with only having it as an enemy is possible. Or you have to think of another side villain. Having survivor types is something that would get stale also. But turning it more FPS based with multiple killable Aliens is not the vibe a sequel should have. You could have it so its totally more empty, a ghost ship vibe, allowing you to further explore the environments and create a more ambient atmosphere.
I mean it's possible to pull off a sequel but it would have to confront a ton of problems off the bat continuing themes of Alien Isolation and keeping true, but also workaround pacing without the characters they needed in Alien Isolation to pace it.
Honestly in my opinion, Alien Isolation doesn't need a sequel. And if it has a sequel it really does not need a Queen. BUT. If they do decide to go in the shoot em up direction, hypothetically, one way they can pass this is to exploit the adrenaline nature of things, and make it corny, but not in an Aliens direction. More, in a Portal direction if that makes sense, Portal 2 had a very early 80's vibe to it, so did Portal. A hypothetical sequel should be more like an action movie from 1982 than one from 1986. And in that way, the soundtrack should be corny. Something like Nostromo's Alien Theme in aesthetic is what I'm thinking of. (*listen to it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xzTrZ_GMpw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xzTrZ_GMpw))
Theres no reason why they couldnt give us a sequel with a queen and more action while keeping the gameplay mostly unchanged. A quick way of making a game seem as though there is more happening and more action is cutscenes and whats happening around you that cant be affected by the player. Creating an illusion essentially.
They already did it with this game in the nest areas. The motion tracker becomes worthless as it goes haywire with all the aliens and you can hear multiple aliens shrieking all over the place. Now in the game you only encounter 2 of them at once (a friend claimed he saw 3 together in the nest but i dont believe him) but because of the motion tracker and the noises you are in doubt there are a hell of alot them. Its a bit cheap but it works without having to show them all and they dont turn that section into an action fest as it plays exactly the same.
I think they could pull something off like this with chaos happening around you but the player cant interact with it all. Dead Space 2 did something similar in the early levels when all hell breaks loose and it works. Also more action in the cutscenes doesnt change the gameplay segments so there could be moments where colonial marines are in the game, but theyre in the background (so to speak) and in the cutscenes. And im sure they could come up with a terrifying game of hide and seek with a queen as a finale to the game. Not to fight it but to hide just like the rest of the game.
Edit: I actually thought this game still gave us some exciting and organic set pieces that worked well for the style of the game. While the gameplay never changes bits like escaping from the jettisoned lab or the anesadora exploding all around you where excellent little moments of excitement without having to go over the top. This is why i believe a sequel can be made in the same vein without sacrificing its integrity and still appease those who would like to see the excitement upped.
Quote from: Keg on Feb 13, 2015, 01:05:31 PM
Theres no reason why they couldnt give us a sequel with a queen and more action while keeping the gameplay mostly unchanged. A quick way of making a game seem as though there is more happening and more action is cutscenes and whats happening around you that cant be affected by the player. Creating an illusion essentially.
I can agree here, though a Queen was already in Alien: Isolation, she was just behind the scenes to avoid players expecting a cheesy crappy boss battle.
Quote from: Keg on Feb 13, 2015, 01:05:31 PM
They already did it with this game in the nest areas. The motion tracker becomes worthless as it goes haywire with all the aliens and you can hear multiple aliens shrieking all over the place. Now in the game you only encounter 2 of them at once (a friend claimed he saw 3 together in the nest but i dont believe him) but because of the motion tracker and the noises you are in doubt there are a hell of alot them. Its a bit cheap but it works without having to show them all and they dont turn that section into an action fest as it plays exactly the same.
But that is not action, that is terror, tension, atmosphere and horror at its best.
After the crap that was A:CM, we finally got a brilliant alien game
based off the
first film, a game about survival and horror, not action, which was
intended. Asking CA for more guns, actions and colonial marines (which probably didn't exist then) in sequel would be like asking them to betray themselves, their integrity and their efforts of making a brilliant Alien game, something that hasn't been done since AVP2 but even then that wasn't an Alien focused game. Do we really need another A:CM? ::)
I get it though, Aliens is most loved point of the franchise, and everyone loved the earlier AVP games, plus people want a fresh experience for the sequel not a rehash but since running and gunning as well colonial marines have been done before
lots of times, that would be a rehash too. There has to be a balance, I am not adverse to having weapons that could harm the alien so long as your ammo is limited and you remain on the defensive with aliens still killing you in one hit. No pulse rifles, no Marines, just survival and the
limited means to it though with capabilites to harm and even kill an Alien at the expense of leaving you vulnerable later on.
See, the point I was trying to make was, wouldn't it be interesting to develop a sequel by keeping the integrity to the aesthetics of the first film, by not following a sequel as Aliens. But a sequel that was touched upon in interviews when Alien first came out. Say, imagine if a sequel happened in 1982 as opposed to 1986. To clarify, I'm not saying the game itself should be considered a sequel from 1982, but a game that has the aesthetics of such a sequel. Further, I think immediately jumping to Aliens in terms of how to follow through any potential sequel is kind of bland, it's been tried over and over and over and just meets with genre expectations. You could honestly make something of this, without resorting to stale marines/military tropes.
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Feb 13, 2015, 05:37:24 PMSee, the point I was trying to make was, wouldn't it be interesting to develop a sequel by keeping the integrity to the aesthetics of the first film, by not following a sequel as Aliens.
Or - and here's a thought - perhaps go a bit
Alien 3 with it. You'd still have the one Alien, no guns thing. But the third film is rarely explored in gaming, even though it has arguably the most arresting imagery and atmosphere of all the films.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 14, 2015, 08:50:39 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Feb 13, 2015, 05:37:24 PMSee, the point I was trying to make was, wouldn't it be interesting to develop a sequel by keeping the integrity to the aesthetics of the first film, by not following a sequel as Aliens.
Or - and here's a thought - perhaps go a bit Alien 3 with it. You'd still have the one Alien, no guns thing. But the third film is rarely explored in gaming, even though it has arguably the most arresting imagery and atmosphere of all the films.
Actually the third film is referenced a lot more than you think, it has two games about it, Alien 3 gun springs to mind, Alien Trilogy incorparates parts of it as well, A:CM Stasis interrupted, then of course most AVP games has Runners, the Alien type from Alien 3, with AVP Gold even having you at fury 16.
Alien:Isolation was refreshing because it seems to me at least, to be the only game based off Alien, I might be wrong as I am sure there was one game based on Alien but it was one of weird pac-man types. However, I do agree with you, Alien 3 had its own atmosphere and looks, I liked it, it you gave a "no hope" feeling which is a moral and mind terror of its own.
Isolation is a lot like Alien3.
Alien 3 was all over the place in gaming. Alien 3 was available on the Master System, Genesis, GameBoy, NES, SNES, Amiga, Commodore 64 and Game Gear.
To be clear, there were elements of Alien 3 in Isolation - especially the soundtrack - but the overall aesthetic was very much Alien. I'd like to see a modern rendition of an environment based on the third film's world, especially with a quadruped Alien that spends more time traversing walls and ceilings.
I think they've been right to keep the Queen in the implicit. There was no objective gain in the fact of integrating it in the game, and, what's more, there were really good motivations not to do so.
Newt hiding from the Queen and being chased by it works in Aliens ; Ripley fighting the Queen works in the movie too. The first point is less interesting in my opinion in the context of Alien Isolation. The action that is present in the second point evokes a more traditional Alien game, not Alien Isolation.
I've just opened a topic about (among other things) what I would like in a "sequel" of Alien Isolation. These are not the same thing than what I would like in another Alien (or AvP) game. It's not because A:CM has been quite a disaster and the precedent AvP not very satisfying that one should believe the only way of having a new good or excellent Alien game would be to "enlarge" an hypothetical Alien Isolation 2 in the direction of these precedent games. We can hope that Alien Isolation's success will eventually give us an Alien Isolation 2 in the future, but also, maybe, an excellent Alien or AvP other game, more "traditional", but which would be inspired by some elements of AI.
I'm not very enthousiastic about an Alien Isolation 2 with more "action". I've other hopes for it : more relation with the environnement and the other characters, between other things.
Conversely, I'd be very enthousiastic about an AVP or Alien game that would take into account the contribution of AI. I don't except the aliens in an Alien game, be it a shooter, to become cannon fodder.
Yeah I had no problem in not seeing a Queen either. I can understand after the nest parts that some people probably expected it at some point but when the game ended I didnt think "where the hell was the queen, where did the eggs come from". I just presumed there was one somewhere and it wasnt relevant to shoe horn it into Amandas story at this point. Infact not showing the queen makes it a bit more WTF for Amanda as she genuinely believed there was only one alien and she'd gotten off the station. That unknown of how or where all the others came from is more scary. Granted its probably wasted on the fans now though because we all know about the life cycle anyway but the characters in the game dont know.
I'm glad that the Queen wasn't seen as well, people would have been expecting a boss battle or some other situation that involved the Queen.. I'm am glad a Queen was confirmed as the reason for the eggs but Queens do show up in nearly all Aliens/AVP games, it ges old after awhile especially since the boss battles of AVP2010 and A:CM were lackluster.
When I first saw the nest I honestly didn't think of a queen at all.
I thought "oh shit, they're going with the whole egg morph thing? NICE!"
Never wanted to see a queen, was never upset by her absence. I thought it was great and ballsy to not fall into the trap.
As far as Colonial Marine influences... Hell, did you guys not take a close look at the security officers? They have Colonial Marine style body armor. Which was a nice touch. They showed elements of Aliens in Isolation without betraying the cohesive look of the first film. Lot's of nice subtle nods there that touch the entire franchise without it ever over riding the atmosphere, and authenticity they built up from the first film.
Alien Isolation was one of the best games i've played in years. It took me back to my first time playing AVP 1999, and Doom 3.
Quote from: Keg on Feb 17, 2015, 09:05:56 PMI can understand after the nest parts that some people probably expected it at some point but when the game ended I didnt think "where the hell was the queen, where did the eggs come from". I just presumed there was one somewhere and it wasnt relevant to shoe horn it into Amandas story at this point.
Yeah, that was my personal reaction to it as well.
I rarely see this brought up, but what exactly did you think the deep bellowing shouts and roars were when you activated flashy particle accelerator looking things down there? Immediately afterwards, there was all that commotion of alien screeches but there was a very clearly, un-alien, almost dinosaur like yelling. Something like "RAAAAAAWWWWW!!!!!". I just assumed that was the Queen. And since she didn't show up, I just assumed what the creators said, that it was just left there as to hint a Queen was there. If you dig around in the sound files if you extract them, there's plenty of deep breathing in the background of areas in Engineering that are pretty faint. There are little hints here and there. But the deeper vocalizations in the hive above the cacophony was clearly, not made from your average ordinary Alien.
If they did incorporate a marine/colonial marshall with a pulse rifle in some dlc, I'd want there to be severe repercussions for using it. It would need to be balanced to give that same reluctance to use it the same as the other firearms.
Things such as shooting the wrong wall = hull breach and either the section goes into a lockdown with a countdown to get out before the section loses atmosphere or the wall is simply torn open by the pressure of the atmosphere escaping.
When shooting the alien in the wrong area this can cause it's acid to melt through the floor and create new access ways for the alien, or damage electrical systems, trigger fire alarms, disable lights etc or even start fires that must be avoided.
Of course, discharging the firearm should attract the alien.
The weapon if even able to kill the alien should still take a considerable amount of bullets, and to balance it out perhaps take on two aliens at once. So as you're concentrating on one alien, the other can take advantage.
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Feb 22, 2015, 11:44:14 AM
If they did incorporate a marine/colonial marshall with a pulse rifle in some dlc, I'd want there to be severe repercussions for using it. It would need to be balanced to give that same reluctance to use it the same as the other firearms.
Things such as shooting the wrong wall = hull breach and either the section goes into a lockdown with a countdown to get out before the section loses atmosphere or the wall is simply torn open by the pressure of the atmosphere escaping.
When shooting the alien in the wrong area this can cause it's acid to melt through the floor and create new access ways for the alien, or damage electrical systems, trigger fire alarms, disable lights etc or even start fires that must be avoided.
Of course, discharging the firearm should attract the alien.
The weapon if even able to kill the alien should still take a considerable amount of bullets, and to balance it out perhaps take on two aliens at once. So as you're concentrating on one alien, the other can take advantage.
This sounds fair, but they should save that for a sequel, Alien: Isolation should keep it to pure horror for now, a sequel should then expand upon it without empowering the player i.e Aliens can now be killed but ammo is severly limited and there is other consequence to it. No pulse rifles thought, something that earlier in the model series would be good.
Horror and one hit kill by the alien should remain, Alien Isolation was brilliant and groundbreaking for the series, nearly all Alien/AVP games are action-oriented (even when there is horror), so this game was a refreshing change.
There should be no steps backwards.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 02, 2015, 05:55:50 PM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Feb 22, 2015, 11:44:14 AM
If they did incorporate a marine/colonial marshall with a pulse rifle in some dlc, I'd want there to be severe repercussions for using it. It would need to be balanced to give that same reluctance to use it the same as the other firearms.
Things such as shooting the wrong wall = hull breach and either the section goes into a lockdown with a countdown to get out before the section loses atmosphere or the wall is simply torn open by the pressure of the atmosphere escaping.
When shooting the alien in the wrong area this can cause it's acid to melt through the floor and create new access ways for the alien, or damage electrical systems, trigger fire alarms, disable lights etc or even start fires that must be avoided.
Of course, discharging the firearm should attract the alien.
The weapon if even able to kill the alien should still take a considerable amount of bullets, and to balance it out perhaps take on two aliens at once. So as you're concentrating on one alien, the other can take advantage.
This sounds fair, but they should save that for a sequel, Alien: Isolation should keep it to pure horror for now, a sequel should then expand upon it without empowering the player i.e Aliens can now be killed but ammo is severly limited and there is other consequence to it. No pulse rifles thought, something that earlier in the model series would be good.
Horror and one hit kill by the alien should remain, Alien Isolation was brilliant and groundbreaking for the series, nearly all Alien/AVP games are action-oriented (even when there is horror), so this game was a refreshing change.
There should be no steps backwards.
I don't think showing the Alien Queen and making a sequel more themed in the light of Aliens would be a step backwards. In fact, for me as a fan it would be a HUUGGE step forwards. Even though Colonial Marines was subpar, it still did have its moments. ESPECIALLY, when you're down in those sewers. Do you think there is a high chance of them making a Aliens-esque sequel? I don't see why they don't considering the fact that Aliens just had its 30th anniversary or whatever and was nominated for over several academy awards.
I'm highly surprised at this point to see that Creative Assembly hasn't taken the steps or interest in creating an action-horror orientated world like Aliens. If they took some good money in with Isolation there shouldn't be any reason for an extended delay on a sequel etc.
I want Runners. Want a Explanation?
Imagine if there was a LV-426 setting. The Complex could have kennel area for dogs/Cattle.
Runners would be scary. They can be kill able. And Behave Differently, maybe even in packs. They run at you!
Anyone remember Alien Trilogy? That game had some awesome Enemies. Runners. Warriors... Heck even the chestbusteres attacked your ass. Scary game, even in the advent of having guns. Still a better game than Marines lol.
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Nah I don't want a Queen keep it as a stealth game its good like that it doesn't need to be a action game.
Quote from: Darkblade 25 on Mar 28, 2017, 06:58:49 PM
Nah I don't want a Queen keep it as a stealth game its good like that it doesn't need to be a action game.
Yeah, I'm with you. The stealthy gameplay is just so much more interesting than another shooting gallery. I don't mind having guns and weapons in the games but reducing the xeno's to target practice really downplays their presence.
Quote from: DarkDiscovery on Mar 28, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
Quote from: Darkblade 25 on Mar 28, 2017, 06:58:49 PM
Nah I don't want a Queen keep it as a stealth game its good like that it doesn't need to be a action game.
Yeah, I'm with you. The stealthy gameplay is just so much more interesting than another shooting gallery. I don't mind having guns and weapons in the games but reducing the xeno's to target practice really downplays their presence.
Yeah I agree with you.
Real question is can we expect to see a follow up to isolation? probably not, at least not in the near future. Give it about 5 years.
Isolation was a great game but it was padded out a little to long with the hide and seek game play. I think a sequel would benefit from having Cameron's Aliens and a Queen in it. Just make the first part of a sequel to Isolation more of a Aliens type of scenario were you have firepower so you can take out the Aliens. Later in the game just make the scenario were your low on ammo and bring in the mechanics of the first game were your getting hunted by the classic xeno or Queen. Basically i would like to see Isolation 2 a mix bag of Alien and Aliens.
Or just do Isolation 2 were you play as Newt on Hadley's Hope were she has to survive till the marine turn up. Or even better give us VR Isolation.
Quote from: Kimo on Apr 07, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
Isolation was a great game but it was padded out a little to long with the hide and seek game play. I think a sequel would benefit from having Cameron's Aliens and a Queen in it. Just make the first part of a sequel to Isolation more of a Aliens type of scenario were you have firepower so you can take out the Aliens. Later in the game just make the scenario were your low on ammo and bring in the mechanics of the first game were your getting hunted by the classic xeno or Queen. Basically i would like to see Isolation 2 a mix bag of Alien and Aliens.
Or just do Isolation 2 were you play as Newt on Hadley's Hope were she has to survive till the marine turn up. Or even better give us VR Isolation.
The whole point of Isolation was that it was an Alien game and not an Aliens game. Which worked in its favor. The game does not need to be put in the same basket as all the other "Aliens" emulations, because as good as some of them are (monolith's game for example) they are emulationg cameron's movie and not being that original i.e ridged designs and colonial marines with stereotypical attidudes. All games seem to always take from Cameron's movie so it was refreshing to have one that was influenced by the first film. A sequel should not deviate from a formula that is working, especially since the last time there was "firepower", we had Aliens: Colonial Marines.... :P
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 10, 2017, 01:37:12 PM
Quote from: Kimo on Apr 07, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
Isolation was a great game but it was padded out a little to long with the hide and seek game play. I think a sequel would benefit from having Cameron's Aliens and a Queen in it. Just make the first part of a sequel to Isolation more of a Aliens type of scenario were you have firepower so you can take out the Aliens. Later in the game just make the scenario were your low on ammo and bring in the mechanics of the first game were your getting hunted by the classic xeno or Queen. Basically i would like to see Isolation 2 a mix bag of Alien and Aliens.
Or just do Isolation 2 were you play as Newt on Hadley's Hope were she has to survive till the marine turn up. Or even better give us VR Isolation.
The whole point of Isolation was that it was an Alien game and not an Aliens game. Which worked in its favor. The game does not need to be put in the same basket as all the other "Aliens" emulations, because as good as some of them are (monolith's game for example) they are emulationg cameron's movie and not being that original i.e ridged designs and colonial marines with stereotypical attidudes. All games seem to always take from Cameron's movie so it was refreshing to have one that was influenced by the first film. A sequel should not deviate from a formula that is working, especially since the last time there was "firepower", we had Aliens: Colonial Marines.... :P
I would still love to see a game with Newt trapped in Hadley's Hope as if falls and until the marines arrive. You could maintain the same gameplay and leave out the action from Aliens. I just think it would make a great situation for a sequel to Alien Isolation even if the aesthetics turned towards aliens a bit.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 10, 2017, 01:37:12 PM
Quote from: Kimo on Apr 07, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
Isolation was a great game but it was padded out a little to long with the hide and seek game play. I think a sequel would benefit from having Cameron's Aliens and a Queen in it. Just make the first part of a sequel to Isolation more of a Aliens type of scenario were you have firepower so you can take out the Aliens. Later in the game just make the scenario were your low on ammo and bring in the mechanics of the first game were your getting hunted by the classic xeno or Queen. Basically i would like to see Isolation 2 a mix bag of Alien and Aliens.
Or just do Isolation 2 were you play as Newt on Hadley's Hope were she has to survive till the marine turn up. Or even better give us VR Isolation.
The whole point of Isolation was that it was an Alien game and not an Aliens game. Which worked in its favor. The game does not need to be put in the same basket as all the other "Aliens" emulations, because as good as some of them are (monolith's game for example) they are emulationg cameron's movie and not being that original i.e ridged designs and colonial marines with stereotypical attidudes. All games seem to always take from Cameron's movie so it was refreshing to have one that was influenced by the first film. A sequel should not deviate from a formula that is working, especially since the last time there was "firepower", we had Aliens: Colonial Marines.... :P
When we think of Aliens, everyone always thinks of a typical First Person Shooters with the Marines always having the upper hand, with firepower ect ect. Also the Aliens being canon fodder just like shooting fish in a barrel.
Im not talking about turning Isolation 2 in to another Aliens FPS like previous Aliens games. My idea is, you can still make Isolation 2 and keep the gaming mechanics similar to the first Isolation game and add a little Aliens in to the mix, with having a Queen as well as other type of xeno(s) that stalk you. This is why doing a character like Newt could work in an Alien Isolation type of environment. Newt is not gunna use weapons, she is going to be sneeking about avoiding Xenomorphs at all cost why she looks for food and trys to help other doomed survivors of Hadley's Hope. She could even use her own toys as devices to distract the alien(s), similar to what Amanda did in Isolation when crafting objects that make loud noises. Also Just like in the first Alien Isolation game, were you briefly get to play as another character. you could do something similar in Isolation and play as an Adult/Android so you can get to take a few aliens out with weapons and do missions that newt or a child like character is not capable of doing. You could even make it so you play as Newts mother in different sections of the game. You could even have newts mother sacrifice herself to save Newt later in the game. Or even have a beated up Working Joe helping you to survive when all the other humans are gone. So many possibilities of having Isolation on Hadley's or a similar type of environment just like what we see in Aliens.
I loved the first Isolation game it was a great game. However, we're do we go with Amanda Ripley if she survived that ending in the first game? Yes you could do more to her story like going after Weyland Yutani... But will we end up getting another Hide and Seek 15 hour story campaign just like the first game that we already played as Amanda? Or do we go with another character with fresh ideas? I'm not saying ignore Amanda's Story but the will have to give us something different with gameplay and story so we don't have a carbon copy of the first game. By giving us a character like Newt or another Child, it changes the gameplay in different ways. like the Alien(s) don't always kill you, the can also take you to the hive. The 8foot Xenomorphs suddenly become even taller and more scary because of the height of the child. A child can get in to spaces were Adults can't. Being small, the Aliens don't always detect you as quickly as they would if you were an adult giving you some advantages over Adults that are still alive inside the colony.
I'd love to see an Alien Isolation 2 that follows the events that unfold at Hadley's Hope. Perhaps you play as Newt trying to survive by sticking to vents and air shafts. Or perhaps you play as a Colonist Security guard trying to contain the Infestation. Either way it has to happen SOON!!
I'll never understand the desire to play as Newt in Hadley's Hope. Seeing a little girl get torn apart every time I make a mistake just does not sound like a good time to me.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Apr 16, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
I'll never understand the desire to play as Newt in Hadley's Hope. Seeing a little girl get torn apart every time I make a mistake just does not sound like a good time to me.
Takes you away to hive, drags you away in to darkness. You could have different animations showing Newt getting dragged away. You don't have to see her getting ripped apart. Save then animations for human size chrecters.
Still, it's violence toward children. I can only tolerate that shit in my entertainment in small doses.
To each their own I suppose, but it would be an absolute would-not-buy for me.
Far game to you Mr. Clemens... But the are plenty of games were children play main roles. Telltales Walking Dead / Game of Thrones being some. Also big titles like The Last of Us and Left Behind have kids playing important roles that you control. So it's nothing new in the gaming industry... However a game based on Hadley's Hope you don't have to have Newt or a child character that you control. you could easy play as an Adult Survivor ect ect that dies before the events of Aliens or Esacpe's the planet before the Marines turn up.
Quote from: Kimo on Apr 16, 2017, 04:55:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Apr 16, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
I'll never understand the desire to play as Newt in Hadley's Hope. Seeing a little girl get torn apart every time I make a mistake just does not sound like a good time to me.
Takes you away to hive, drags you away in to darkness. You could have different animations showing Newt getting dragged away. You don't have to see her getting ripped apart. Save then animations for human size chrecters.
Leaving the Newt angle aside, Isolation could maybe have been improved by making the deaths be static and noise, like when Dallas gets taken, rather than an animation. It'd be a fittingly short, sharp shock, whereas the close-up anims expose some of the limitations of the model, texturing and liquid effects, and are more "oh well" than "oh shit".
Anyway. Again, never mind Newt, how about playing as Jones? Escape the alien by luring so many humans to it that it's too fat and tired to bother with you.
Quote from: Vertigo on Apr 17, 2017, 04:23:34 AM
Leaving the Newt angle aside, Isolation could maybe have been improved by making the deaths be static and noise, like when Dallas gets taken, rather than an animation. It'd be a fittingly short, sharp shock, whereas the close-up anims expose some of the limitations of the model, texturing and liquid effects, and are more "oh well" than "oh shit".
This was actually one of the few things I was disappointed by. I was really hoping for that static scream noise from the vent scene.
You would not have to make it violent if newt is attacked. The animations could be the Alien grabbing her with the intent be to take her back to the hive.
Quote from: Vertigo on Apr 17, 2017, 04:23:34 AMshort, sharp shock
Now I've got Dark Side of the Moon playing in my head. :D
I think video-game designers have a lot of liberty to explore the conceptualizations of the supreme female fertilizing Xeno (aka, 'the Queen'), and this can create some nice atmospherics for video-game design for today's more graphic and sophisticated games (i.e., Alien: Isolation).
Why not? If we're making films like Avatar and Pixels, we should explore the graphic design aspect of video games (especially Alien games!).
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Quote from: Kimo on Apr 07, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
Isolation was a great game but it was padded out a little to long with the hide and seek game play. I think a sequel would benefit from having Cameron's Aliens and a Queen in it. Just make the first part of a sequel to Isolation more of a Aliens type of scenario were you have firepower so you can take out the Aliens. Later in the game just make the scenario were your low on ammo and bring in the mechanics of the first game were your getting hunted by the classic xeno or Queen. Basically i would like to see Isolation 2 a mix bag of Alien and Aliens.
Or just do Isolation 2 were you play as Newt on Hadley's Hope were she has to survive till the marine turn up. Or even better give us VR Isolation.
This is a really good idea. The aesthetic of Isolation is beautiful. I mean they took every scenic element from the original film and made it perfectly into a video game. Creative Assembly should do the same thing but with Hadley's Hope and the marine weaponry from Aliens. Make it more of a hunted becomes the hunter scenario.
Balance it, create a Dead Space style game:
https://tinyurl.com/AlienGameDSPitch
Quote from: LastSurvivor92 on Jun 23, 2019, 04:57:39 AMCreative Assembly should do the same thing but with Hadley's Hope and the marine weaponry from Aliens. Make it more of a hunted becomes the hunter scenario.
I really wouldn't that.
The entire point of
Isolation was that, for once, the Alien wasn't just cannon fodder for you to shoot at,
you were the one running scared. I'd hate for them to completely renege on that in a sequel.
I think Hadley's Hope is perfect setting for Isolation-like game but in the time period before Ripley and Co arrived.
I don't, I've had enough of LV-426/Alien Trilogy location video game interpretation,
if we return to a location let it be a Prequel one.
Regardless, it's Hope For The Future's Scenario and no cease and desist so far,
meaning definitely 20th Century Fox isn't using the idea.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2019, 08:42:35 AM
Quote from: LastSurvivor92 on Jun 23, 2019, 04:57:39 AMCreative Assembly should do the same thing but with Hadley's Hope and the marine weaponry from Aliens. Make it more of a hunted becomes the hunter scenario.
I really wouldn't that.
The entire point of Isolation was that, for once, the Alien wasn't just cannon fodder for you to shoot at, you were the one running scared. I'd hate for them to completely renege on that in a sequel.
This can't be said enough.
Yes, what made Isolation special is:
it's not every other Alien FPS.
Indeed.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 11, 2019, 09:12:24 AM
I don't, I've had enough of LV-426/Alien Trilogy location video game interpretation,
if we return to a location let it be a Prequel one.
Regardless, it's Hope For The Future's Scenario and no cease and desist so far,
meaning definitely 20th Century Fox isn't using the idea.
I just want to see fall of Hadley's Hope scenario done properly. River of Pain did it
almost right but I still left unsatisfied.
The imagination's always superior.
Yeah, both River of Pain and Newt's Tale were hugely disappointing, if you ask me.
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 12, 2019, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 11, 2019, 09:12:24 AM
I don't, I've had enough of LV-426/Alien Trilogy location video game interpretation,
if we return to a location let it be a Prequel one.
Regardless, it's Hope For The Future's Scenario and no cease and desist so far,
meaning definitely 20th Century Fox isn't using the idea.
I just want to see fall of Hadley's Hope scenario done properly. River of Pain did it almost right but I still left unsatisfied.
Listen to the audible drama.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2019, 08:42:35 AM
Quote from: LastSurvivor92 on Jun 23, 2019, 04:57:39 AMCreative Assembly should do the same thing but with Hadley's Hope and the marine weaponry from Aliens. Make it more of a hunted becomes the hunter scenario.
I really wouldn't that.
The entire point of Isolation was that, for once, the Alien wasn't just cannon fodder for you to shoot at, you were the one running scared. I'd hate for them to completely renege on that in a sequel.
Exactly, I don't know why some folk just don't get this. We get a good Alien game after the rubbish A:CM, which worked for many reasons, one being that it was different to the usual formula, fans rejoiced.....and then some of them want a sequel to be like A:CM.... :P
They seem to forget the reason why Isolation was good, because it was not a run and gun, marines galore that we have had since the 90s.
Don't get me wrong, Aliens versus Predators games were great but Isolation is meant to reference the first film, not the second and in that it succeeded, changing that formula would be a mistake. If you want marines, then wait for a completely different Alien or Alien versus Predator game. No need to insert that stuff into potential Isolation sequels.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2019, 04:03:56 PMListen to the audible drama.
Nah, the
River of Pain story is just a bit naff regardless of format.
Having an entire platoon of mystery Marines at the colony before the film will never be anything other than terminally daft. Not to mention the story is missing half the events we're told happened there in
Aliens. The last stand where the colonists conspicuously barricade off operations and "block off the stairs with heavy equipment"? Never mentioned in the book. The woman they find alive in the hive in the film, who clearly lasted quite some time and was only taken shortly before the Marines arrived? Never mentioned. When you add in the silly moustache-twirling W-Y scientist sub-plot and the fact it's completely devoid of any horror, it does fall a bit flat compared to how I imagine the scenario.
Don't get me wrong, Dirk Maggs and co. did a predictably stellar job of the audio drama adaptation, but the book's just lame.
It doesn't match up with what we see in the movie, which is why I imagine it as an alternate universe.
In that way, it's not half bad. The book I can't even remember, but Dirk's work is always top tier. That his drama is better than the book is just a given.
River of Pain was disappointing and didn't add much of value to the Hadley's Hope incident. Heck it was almost as unnecessary as Out of Shadows.
That's why I thank God for Dirk Maggs.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 12, 2019, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2019, 04:03:56 PMListen to the audible drama.
Nah, the River of Pain story is just a bit naff regardless of format.
Having an entire platoon of mystery Marines at the colony before the film will never be anything other than terminally daft. Not to mention the story is missing half the events we're told happened there in Aliens. The last stand where the colonists conspicuously barricade off operations and "block off the stairs with heavy equipment"? Never mentioned in the book. The woman they find alive in the hive in the film, who clearly lasted quite some time and was only taken shortly before the Marines arrived? Never mentioned. When you add in the silly moustache-twirling W-Y scientist sub-plot and the fact it's completely devoid of any horror, it does fall a bit flat compared to how I imagine the scenario.
Don't get me wrong, Dirk Maggs and co. did a predictably stellar job of the audio drama adaptation, but the book's just lame.
My thoughts exactly.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2019, 04:03:56 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 12, 2019, 09:31:45 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 11, 2019, 09:12:24 AM
I don't, I've had enough of LV-426/Alien Trilogy location video game interpretation,
if we return to a location let it be a Prequel one.
Regardless, it's Hope For The Future's Scenario and no cease and desist so far,
meaning definitely 20th Century Fox isn't using the idea.
I just want to see fall of Hadley's Hope scenario done properly. River of Pain did it almost right but I still left unsatisfied.
Listen to the audible drama.
I've done it before even reading actual book! ;D
River of Pain is painfully mediocre and Newt's Tale is not good, but Dirk Maggs improves anything.
I hope we at least get to see a queen xeno in a future game, if we get a future game.
Because I'd hate to have A:CM be the last time we get one. The injustice of how she was handled in that game still hurts the soul.
The injustice of how everything was handled in that game upsets me.
Thinking about A:CM still hurts me spiritually even today.
I feel like o'neal when I think of what Randy did.
"Do you know what you take away?!"
good game completed it 100% probably best alien game released
Would absolutely love to see the Queen in a follow up. I must say that getting a follow up to Isolation (wether the queen shows up or not) is the main thing im hoping for.
I would love recreation of Newt's crawling under th grates while hiding from Queen.
Wouldn't you prefer a sequel in which Amanda Ripley obtains an experimental Weyland-Yutani portal gun?
Clap clap f**king clap
That's not a no.
I mean, are they ever gonna make a sequel? I think it's very unlikely but if they did, it'd be nice.
Quote from: Dingbat on Apr 25, 2020, 05:10:46 PM
I mean, are they ever gonna make a sequel? I think it's very unlikely but if they did, it'd be nice.
I think technically Alien Blackout (which is free right now on mobile for alien day) is the sequel. It's not exactly the same style, but it's definitely in continuity, storyline-wise.
Quote from: Stitch on Apr 26, 2020, 01:43:08 AM
I think technically Alien Blackout (which is free right now on mobile for alien day) is the sequel. It's not exactly the same style, but it's definitely in continuity, storyline-wise.
Where is that to be found? I'm not a big gamer-guy, but I'd like to have that.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Apr 26, 2020, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Apr 26, 2020, 01:43:08 AM
I think technically Alien Blackout (which is free right now on mobile for alien day) is the sequel. It's not exactly the same style, but it's definitely in continuity, storyline-wise.
Where is that to be found? I'm not a big gamer-guy, but I'd like to have that.
Mobile game. Android and iOS I think.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.D3Go.mendel
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/alien-blackout/id1401510106