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I'm hotly anticipating the game, everything is dead on, except for one thing, the Xenomorph's legs, they just don't sit well with me, anyone else feel the same way?
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As long as whatever we get is great gameplay on top of the already good graphics then I'm fine with the legs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gutCFMc5khY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gutCFMc5khY#)

I'm a creature artist and I had the same complaint. It's frustrating to seem them go so far to recreate the look and feeling of the origina film and then make such a huge design change to the alien itself. I read in one of the interviews scanned into the gallery on this site that they made the change because they felt that having the original humanoid leg alien would feel too much like a man in a suit. I personally think they should have gone whole hog and faithfully re-created the whole body of the alien but ultimately if it's animated well it won't matter. It is annoying it's like perfectly re-creating a Indiana Jones in a game but giving him Crocodile Dundee's hat. It's not going to affect the story or the action but it breaks immersion.

QuoteIt is annoying it's like perfectly re-creating a Indiana Jones in a game but giving him Crocodile Dundee's hat. It's not going to affect the story or the action but it breaks immersion.

True! But, whereas you can clearly see that Indiana Jones isn't really wearing a crocodile dundee hat, you can't really say the same about the alien's legs. Yes, there are shots where the alien's legs are shown, but a lot of them don't show the legs, sans a few, and audiences probably won't remember that detail.

And that is a completely logical and fair viewpoint. I think it also hits on the double edged sword surrounding accuracy in the broader sense. If you get really close (like 90% accurate to the nostalgic original) then that extra 10% is so much more frustrating and sometimes more visible because of how close it came to being 99% accurate. Definitely the general audience won't notice but this type of hyper-faithful design and bringing back close to all of the original cast...that's not for the general audience....that's for the die-hards sitting around commenting on a message board like us.

In a broader sense it's the same issue we face with the uncanny valley games in human CGI characters as they become more and more real. That close but no-cigar appearance starts to short circuit the part of our brain dedicated to recognition of human faces.

So I wish they just did the legs right. Re-creating the problems the original filmmakers dealt with will bring it that much closer. It will force them to hide the Alien in shadow, steam/smoke or the environment...this is part of what made Alien better than Aliens-A3-AR and especially AVP 1&2. Does it really matter? Not that much. Is there potentially something to be gained by recreating it - absolutely!!!

You are all a bunch of babies.

QuoteIt will force them to hide the Alien in shadow, steam/smoke or the environment..

Indeed, although that's assuming that players stay in one spot and don't inspect the Alien more. They did attempt to use the legs from what I've heard but they didn't look right and didn't animate well. They could've tweaked the legs slightly but kept 'em humanoid I suppose.

But I can bet you aaaaany money, that tears of "not authentic enough" would still come rolling down people's cheeks here. "The leg is too skinny/too wide! Wait...that's not how it moved/it's slightly different!"

My problem with this is that it debunks the idea of aliens adopting traits from the host. A problem I had with Alien Resurrection... Well thankfully it's just a game rather than a movie....

You know who the host is?

Most likely a person...

Visually, I always liked the tri-jointed look, but there are video clips where they look strangely bendy...

I'm just wondering how the hell a specific joint can have three joints?

Anyways, this is a pretty nit-picky issue. The comparison with Indiana Jones' trademark fedora is completely unjustified. The hat of Indy is iconic; the legs of the Alien, eh, notsomuch.

They're practically invisible in the first two flicks.

Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 12:51:07 AM
They're practically invisible in the first two flicks.

It's blasphemy, and the entire staff at CA should be hung by their intestines. 0/10 HORRIBLE LEG DESIGN.

Shame on SEGA for allowing this appauling thing to be made.


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It does irk me a bit for authenticities sake, and I don't buy the "It didn't animate well" arguement. I get why they really did it, and that's fine. License and all that. Go for it, but it's not a deal breaker, just kind of "Eh..."  :)

I buy the "Go look at the Bolaji test footage to see how dopey a guy in a suit would look" argument.

Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 01:56:41 AM
I buy the "Go look at the Bolaji test footage to see how dopey a guy in a suit would look" argument.

It doesn't hold up when you actually realize this isn't the first Alien game we've had, and the previous games have made use of the standard jointed Alien Warriors without any issue.

Always thought they looked pretty wonky standing up to swipe at ya in the first AvP.

The tiny runner in one of the AvPs was dumber.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 15, 2014, 02:00:32 AM

Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 01:56:41 AM
I buy the "Go look at the Bolaji test footage to see how dopey a guy in a suit would look" argument.

It doesn't hold up when you actually realize this isn't the first Alien game we've had, and the previous games have made use of the standard jointed Alien Warriors without any issue.

It does hold up when the makers of the first two films hid the legs and the makers of the second two films changed the shape.

Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 03:02:30 AM
The tiny runner in one of the AvPs was dumber.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 15, 2014, 02:00:32 AM

Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 01:56:41 AM
I buy the "Go look at the Bolaji test footage to see how dopey a guy in a suit would look" argument.

It doesn't hold up when you actually realize this isn't the first Alien game we've had, and the previous games have made use of the standard jointed Alien Warriors without any issue.

It does hold up when the makers of the first two films hid the legs and the makers of the second two films changed the shape.

You just ignored my point and changed the nature of the discussion. We're talking about previous games. Not the films. The argument that it doesn't work in a game does not hold up when it has been done and nobody had yet complained about it, until now.

Tough titty?

I'm not gonna stop griping about it, SM.

And while we're at it, let's talk about the bonus situation...  :D

 I don't like the Triple Jointed Knees neither . It makes the Alien look like it's slower than with the Double Jointed Knees , like a human . 

It looks like a grasshopper...

They're not triple jointed.  And anyway, there is a clause in the AvPG membership which specifically states any deviation from the unholy glory that is Giger's design for a possible intelligent reason must be denigrated.

On penalty of total forfeiture of fanboy card.

No lulz.

Here, check it out for those insistent that the legs on the creature are otherwise:

Original final design:
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Production stills:
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...and as it appears in the film:
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Nope.  I don't see any triple jointed knees, grasshopper legs... dog legs... or any other limbs of a digitigrade morphology.  And those images are straight from the first film - from production concept to a single frame of shot footage in the final print of the film.  Even if we only see the Alien tumbling out the Narcissus for just a few frames, the shape of the legs are clearly plantigrade and not digitigrade.   So the proof IS there.   It does exist.

So, if this game is intended to be based on the original film, then the level of accuracy depicting the titular character isn't adhering to authenticity.  Ya.  It's missing it's mark, there.  Definitely.

The only way this anomaly can be considered appropriate is not the same creature from the first film.  If that is the case, then why is it sharing characteristics of a human host (the torso and head of the creature from the first film) and a quadruped (the legs of the creature from the 3rd film). 

? ? ?

How does that even work?  Is this Alien's genetic heritage based on the host being a werewolf or a satyr... or something?   That's the big question.  ...and how the Hell does that work itself into the story, anyway? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

LOL

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-Windebieste.

QuoteHere, check it out for those insistent that the legs on the creature are otherwise:

That would be no one.

Only that the legs weren't really shown in the film.

The queen came from a human and didn't have human legs. Maybe that's a trait of the alien that takes over with time.

Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 08:22:44 AM
They're not triple jointed.  And anyway, there is a clause in the AvPG membership which specifically states any deviation from the unholy glory that is Giger's design for a possible intelligent reason must be denigrated.

On penalty of total forfeiture of fanboy card.

No lulz.

I don't wanna hear it. I wanna board sevastopol and party!

Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 08:22:44 AM
They're not triple jointed.  And anyway, there is a clause in the AvPG membership which specifically states any deviation from the unholy glory that is Giger's design for a possible intelligent reason must be denigrated.

On penalty of total forfeiture of fanboy card.

No lulz.

:laugh:

Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 10:06:16 AM

QuoteHere, check it out for those insistent that the legs on the creature are otherwise:

That would be no one.

:laugh: :laugh:  :laugh:

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:laugh: @ Converse

I know it's not essential but I do agree the re-design is a missed opportunity. They should at least restore human style legs to the pre-order DLC levels that aim to recreate scenes in the Alien film. They will not of course.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 15, 2014, 01:09:02 PM

Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 08:22:44 AM
They're not triple jointed.  And anyway, there is a clause in the AvPG membership which specifically states any deviation from the unholy glory that is Giger's design for a possible intelligent reason must be denigrated.

On penalty of total forfeiture of fanboy card.

No lulz.

I don't wanna hear it. I wanna board sevastopol and party!

Me too. Tell you what, when you guys get cocooned beside me by the Alien, lets have a blast, and sing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" till kingdom come.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo#)

All legs have three joints.

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I have no problem with the legs, but it is odd to have those legs if the Alien is human-born.

Why do some people get hang up over the human host = human legs thing? It has a banana head, inner jaw, exoskeleton and acid for blood as well. The legs can be whatever shape it turns out to be. Its Alien.

I don't think Giger's intention was for the head to look like a "Banana".

Quote from: gabgrave on Jul 16, 2014, 12:24:42 PM
Why do some people get hang up over the human host = human legs thing? It has a banana head, inner jaw, exoskeleton and acid for blood as well. The legs can be whatever shape it turns out to be. Its Alien.

Precedent set in the source material.  Just minor details like that...

Quite, the banana never falls far from the tree.

I've no issue with the redesign of the legs whatsoever.  Heck, if I had been in charge of making this game; I would have made the same decision.  Let's get something straight here; Ridley Scott's 'Alien' is my favourite film ever but when you finally see the creature in a wide shot (as it's blown from the shuttle's engine); it's clearly a man-in-a-suit.  Yes, us fans can justify it by saying "that's because it inherited its human hosts DNA" but that doesn't stop it from looking a little silly (perhaps not to a seasoned fan such as us members of the forum - but certainly to more casual viewers).  Just because I adore 'Alien', that doesn't mean that I can't recognise its flaws (after-all, no film is absolutely perfect).

Could they have stuck with the original design? Yes.  Am I glad they chose not to?  Absolutely.

Ultimately, it's all subjective but really; what does it matter?  It's the most nitpicky of nitpicks.  Also, when playing the game; you'll be cowering in fear from the alien.  You're not going to be getting up close and personal to gawp at it's legs.  You could always try I suppose, if you fancy becoming lunch.

As I said, I'm still  very excited for the game, it looks incredible, after reading these responses, I feel slightly better about the legs, but it is still a small gripe.
In the words of Lambert, "I like griping".

Quote from: St_Eddie on Jul 17, 2014, 08:55:57 PM
I've no issue with the redesign of the legs whatsoever.  Heck, if I had been in charge of making this game; I would have made the same decision.  Let's get something straight here; Ridley Scott's 'Alien' is my favourite film ever but when you finally see the creature in a wide shot (as it's blown from the shuttle's engine); it's clearly a man-in-a-suit.  Yes, us fans can justify it by saying "that's because it inherited its human hosts DNA" but that doesn't stop it from looking a little silly (perhaps not to a seasoned fan such as us members of the forum - but certainly to more casual viewers).  Just because I adore 'Alien', that doesn't mean that I can't recognise its flaws (after-all, no film is absolutely perfect).

Could they have stuck with the original design? Yes.  Am I glad they chose not to?  Absolutely.

Ultimately, it's all subjective but really; what does it matter?  It's the most nitpicky of nitpicks.  Also, when playing the game; you'll be cowering in fear from the alien.  You're not going to be getting up close and personal to gawp at it's legs.  You could always try I suppose, if you fancy becoming lunch.

And provided the game is really good in the end, I'm sure people will forget about any design flaws they perceive! :)

One of my biggest interests in my life are zoology and concept art.

I think, that triple jointed knees are good for animal like Alien. I know.. first movie, original concept by Giger...
Think about it - it was 1979. The project had to comply with the technical requirements.
I mean costume :)

I love art of Hans R. Giger, but my favourite version of alien ever was drawn by Kilian Plunkett for "ALIENS: LABIRYNTH" graphic novel.
In fact, this is just Giger's Alien with... triple jointed knees. Nothing more, nothing less.

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People, keep in mind that the developers didn't change the legs for shitz & giggles, The new legs have a purpose; to make it move more convincingly.

And considering that Ridley scott wanted something that resembles a human as little as possible while making the film, I dont find it unlikely that he would make the alien look like this if he only could, back in the day.

Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 04, 2014, 07:50:21 PMAnd considering that Ridley scott wanted something that resembles a human as little as possible while making the film

I've been cool with the legs for months, but if R. Scott wanted the alien to look as little like a human as possible, he could have stuck with Ron Cobb's concept.  :P

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well, that design is just lame.

The four legged version, with more spiderlike legs could work via CG.

Since it is a game i'm glad to see there willing to innovate a little bit but I agree with you. The triple-jointed legs look a bit odd. If the game is based off the original they really should of stuck with the Giger design but its whatever.

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Quote from: bobby brown on Aug 05, 2014, 08:30:00 AM
well, that design is just lame.

hahaha  :laugh: I agree

I actually like the extra leg joint, it makes it look more alien and less like a dude in a suit.

I'm still more bothered by the fact the inner jaw is still so tiny compared to the film. It's one of the Alien's biggest traits and it looks so wimpy.

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 04, 2014, 10:38:11 PM

I've been cool with the legs for months, but if R. Scott wanted the alien to look as little like a human as possible, he could have stuck with Ron Cobb's concept.  :P

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Reminds me of The Fly.

Had we had that one from the start I doubt we'd have ever seen the "the Alien takes on its host's DNA" hypothesis, which I can't say I'd miss.  However I doubt we'd have never seen sequels or games.  I suspect that in this alternate universe, AVPR still gets made somehow.

So a standard Alien from the ankles up, the "runner" from the ankles down... makes me think the host was this guy:

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Now I'm just disappointed the Alien in the new game doesn't have a hat and cane and sings ragtime numbers whenever it spots you.

A:CM pulled a reference to Spaceballs, so maybe CA will feel bold and have a cut scene in which Amanda bumps into a radio, accidentally activating it, whereupon it plays "Hello! Ma Baby".  Hearing the Alien approach, she panics and tosses it down the corridor.  The Alien investigates it allowing Ripley to sneak away, thus giving her the inspiration for the noisemaker things.

That or the noisemakers themselves play the song.

Future modders, you're welcome.

Quote from: MH-875 on Aug 07, 2014, 05:45:43 PM
A:CM pulled a reference to Spaceballs, so maybe CA will feel bold and have a cut scene in which Amanda bumps into a radio, accidentally activating it, whereupon it plays "Hello! Ma Baby".  Hearing the Alien approach, she panics and tosses it down the corridor.  The Alien investigates it allowing Ripley to sneak away, thus giving her the inspiration for the noisemaker things.

That or the noisemakers themselves play the song.

Future modders, you're welcome.

Do you really think CA really cares about Space Balls? Probably not...

God, I hated all the references in A:CM. They even had a secret donut reference, ffs. It's typical Gearbox. Look at Borderlands 2 and all the references to internet memes and shit in it. Gearbox think they're clever and funny when it comes to doing that sort of thing. I hope to god CA aren't f***ing lame enough to stoop to the same levels as Gearbox.

Sorry guys, references like that just always makes me mad. :laugh:

Does CA had a reputation for treating their subject matter with all due dignity and Gearbox a reputation for littering their products with puerile gags?

Yeah, I sure don't want this game winking at me, either.

I'd have liked to have seen that 'Engineers' easter egg in A:CM, but, having heard that you have to shoot the space jockey in the head to see it... like, why on earth would it occur to anyone to do that?

Quote from: MH-875 on Aug 09, 2014, 12:19:39 AM
Does CA have a reputation for treating their subject matter with all due dignity?

No.

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Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Aug 09, 2014, 02:55:47 PM
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I'd have liked to have seen that 'Engineers' easter egg in A:CM, but, having heard that you have to shoot the space jockey in the head to see it... like, why on earth would it occur to anyone to do that?

Because I'm annoyed the Engineers turned out to be pasty "they are us" bodybuilders?

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 09, 2014, 03:57:25 PM
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*Looks around for the queen drinking bird*

I heard this story (don't know if it's true) but if you pirate the game you will be stalked by a giant Drinking Bird™ instead of an Alien.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 10, 2014, 06:39:27 PM
I heard this story (don't know if it's true) but if you pirate the game you will be stalked by a giant Drinking Bird™ instead of an Alien.

How is that not incentive to pirate the game?

*Sits back and waits for the "Alien: Drinking Bird" fan-edit of the film.*

Yeah exactly! I find the idea of being chased by a bio-mechanical Dippy Bird™ terror far scarier than a Xenomorph (which has been done to death).

The Xenomorph has lost a lot of it's scare factor over the years. It's become a theme park attraction. Apparently Ridley Scott even saw an Alien at Disneyland once. Whoopi f**king doo!

Source:

Quote from: Sir Ridley ScottNo. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he's now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in f**king Disneyland!?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Ridley-Scott-Says-Xenomorph-Absolutely-Prometheus-28428.html

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 11, 2014, 12:10:14 PM
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The Xenomorph has lost a lot of it's scare factor over the years. It's become a theme park attraction. Apparently Ridley Scott even saw an Alien at Disneyland once. Whoopi f**king doo!

Source:

Quote from: Sir Ridley ScottNo. Absolutely not. They squeezed it dry. He (the xenomorph) did very well. (He laughs) He survived, he's now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going back there. How did he end up in f**king Disneyland!?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Ridley-Scott-Says-Xenomorph-Absolutely-Prometheus-28428.html

Oh, no.  God.  No.

First this nonsense (picture all the Kenner creatures here too):


Then this:

Quote from: MH-875 on Aug 11, 2014, 06:07:55 PM
Then this:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_byRmVzqqw9w/S-oGLwU7ljI/AAAAAAAADwo/gbkdzLwmyZg/AlienMickey.jpg

hahahaha!!

Also don't forget Goofy:

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I really don't care about the legs. my worry is that if this game will be good!

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 10, 2014, 06:39:27 PM
I heard this story (don't know if it's true) but if you pirate the game you will be stalked by a giant Drinking Bird™ instead of an Alien.

Supposedly, it's your motion tracker that's replaced with a drinking bird, but I think it was just a joke: http://forums.alienisolation.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/9952-ideas-for-anti-piracy (http://forums.alienisolation.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/9952-ideas-for-anti-piracy)

I dont mind the legs, they look creepy, I just dislike that the feet are not like the ones in Alien they look too dinosaur like from what I've seen from in game pics. If they put the original feet it would have helped the point that the Alien gains human traits. The Alien is also missing the the top fin on its back which isnt that bad but again authenticy of the original is taken away.  Other than those minor things I think the Alien looks great and creepy.

I don't think they could've done the original feet with those legs.  For the digitigrade legs to work you need the long foot.

Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2014, 12:03:42 AM
I don't think they could've done the original feet with those legs.  For the digitigrade legs to work you need the long foot.

That is true they would look a little uneven and weird if they had the small feet :-\ ehh I can live with it since the game looks great and I doubt we will see the feet a lot.