I happen to be gay and I was wandering if anyone else believes its ok if a man and a man or a woman and a woman get married to each other. Do you believe in gay rights and the freedom of gay marriage?
I should think most sane, rational people would.
Absolutely not.
I believe all gays should be forced into space exploration. Boldly go where no human has gone before. Tidy Mars up abit and make it look nice before the rest of us decide to move there too.
Oh this has the potential to go the way of the Atheist thread.
My thinking has always been if your gay then I'm not gonna tell you not to be gay or that you're wrong for being gay. If you wanna get married then that's cool to, go do what makes you happy, I have no right to judge it.
Man with transgender person is something that I can accept easily but man with another man - no way bro.
I'd ask the OP if we could also discuss transgender rights in here as well.
I'm bisexual and I live in Australia, so my marriage options are pretty uncertain. We seem to tiptoe towards marriage equality now and then just to take a bit stride backwards. We've had plenty of talks about 'civil unions', which I find pretty insulting. If you're willing to give me the benefits of marriage, why not just give me marriage then?
Quote from: WinterActual on May 10, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
Man with transgender person is something that I can accept easily but man with another man - no way bro.
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Quote from: JokersWarPig on May 10, 2014, 05:13:28 PM
Oh this has the potential to go the way of the Atheist thread.
My thinking has always been if your gay then I'm not gonna tell you not to be gay or that you're wrong for being gay. If you wanna get married then that's cool to, go do what makes you happy, I have no right to judge it.
What go for roughly a hundred pages? Maybe more? Discussing a wide range of topics related to belief?
Quote from: Laufey on May 10, 2014, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 10, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
Man with transgender person is something that I can accept easily but man with another man - no way bro.
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Whats that supposed to mean?
dis that thread where dem homofobics come out to play? :P
Quote from: WinterActual on May 10, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
Man with transgender person is something that I can accept easily but man with another man - no way bro.
Why yes! Dis is that thread. :P
http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/05/09/the-sims-4-rated-adults-only-in-russia/ (http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/05/09/the-sims-4-rated-adults-only-in-russia/)
It means you're a c**t, you and everyone like you who think they have the right to tell others what they can and can't do with their bodies.
Unless you're one of those "marridge is sacred" types.
I thought WA was joking o.o
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
It means you're a c**t, you and everyone like you who think they have the right to tell others what they can and can't do with their bodies.
Haha that's a bit too broad I'd say. Easy to weasel out of that.
Quote from: BANE on May 10, 2014, 08:18:59 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
It means you're a c**t, you and everyone like you who think they have the right to tell others what they can and can't do with their bodies.
Haha that's a bit too broad I'd say. Easy to weasel out of that.
I see what you mean.
At the age of consent and not including activites that are medically harmful.lol
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on May 10, 2014, 05:13:28 PM
Oh this has the potential to go the way of the Atheist thread.
My thinking has always been if your gay then I'm not gonna tell you not to be gay or that you're wrong for being gay. If you wanna get married then that's cool to, go do what makes you happy, I have no right to judge it.
What go for roughly a hundred pages? Maybe more? Discussing a wide range of topics related to belief?
I'm probably misinterpreting things because this is the internet but do you have a problem with me?
I don't have a problem with gay marriage.
I have a problem with Pride parades though.
Why is that?
Quote from: JokersWarPig on May 10, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on May 10, 2014, 05:13:28 PM
Oh this has the potential to go the way of the Atheist thread.
My thinking has always been if your gay then I'm not gonna tell you not to be gay or that you're wrong for being gay. If you wanna get married then that's cool to, go do what makes you happy, I have no right to judge it.
What go for roughly a hundred pages? Maybe more? Discussing a wide range of topics related to belief?
I'm probably misinterpreting things because this is the internet but do you have a problem with me?
No, not at all.
I just don't understand what you mean by "go the way of the Atheist thread" ?
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
It means you're a c**t, you and everyone like you who think they have the right to tell others what they can and can't do with their bodies.
The OP is asking, and I am giving my opinion. Thats the forum for. Besides, if the OP don't accept other replies except the ones that agree with him, why he created the topic in a first place?
Btw, reported. I never said anything against you and you respond with fu's and c**ts. Try somewhere else.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2014, 08:33:06 PM
I don't have a problem with gay marriage.
I have a problem with Pride parades though.
Raphie May
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Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 08:35:27 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on May 10, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on May 10, 2014, 05:13:28 PM
Oh this has the potential to go the way of the Atheist thread.
My thinking has always been if your gay then I'm not gonna tell you not to be gay or that you're wrong for being gay. If you wanna get married then that's cool to, go do what makes you happy, I have no right to judge it.
What go for roughly a hundred pages? Maybe more? Discussing a wide range of topics related to belief?
I'm probably misinterpreting things because this is the internet but do you have a problem with me?
No, not at all.
I just don't understand what you mean by "go the way of the Atheist thread" ?
I was saying its gonna start civilized, some posts are gonna get heated, argument ensues, etc.
You need to relax, man. Don't want to get yourself banned.
Wait wait wait, so WA, you weren't joking when you said this?
QuoteMan with transgender person is something that I can accept easily but man with another man - no way bro.
Alright, then could you explain why you can't accept it?
Quote from: Laufey on May 10, 2014, 08:38:18 PM
You need to relax, man. Don't want to get yourself banned.
If I get banned, that's completely fair.
But when it comes to bigots, I have a problem holding my tongue.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 10, 2014, 08:35:44 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
It means you're a c**t, you and everyone like you who think they have the right to tell others what they can and can't do with their bodies.
The OP is asking, and I am giving my opinion. Thats the forum for. Besides, if the OP don't accept other replies except the ones that agree with him, why he created the topic in a first place?
Btw, reported. I never said anything against you and you respond with fu's and c**ts. Try somewhere else.
Like I care, go f**k yourself you piece of shit.
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Double quote bro.
Fixed, friend.
Quote from: Sabby on May 10, 2014, 08:39:48 PM
Alright, then could you explain why you can't accept it?
No, because you can't change my view. (I know you will try to explain why I am "wrong")
No, I'd like to understand your position.
I too am a bit curious as to why you are okay with transgender, but not man/man marriage.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 08:41:25 PM
If I get banned, that's completely fair.
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That doesn't even make sense Winter.
Quote from: Sabby on May 10, 2014, 08:33:48 PM
Why is that?
You want to be gay, go right ahead. Why do you feel the need to jump in my face and scream and yell and tell me about why I should think you're awesome?
Quote from: WinterActual on May 10, 2014, 08:54:05 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 08:41:25 PM
If I get banned, that's completely fair.
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"It's because of people like you that I was afraid to go to school as a child."
Also war pig is correct, X-Men is one the biggest advocates of gay rights.
That same reasoning can be applied to the yearly Christmas parade. Pride parades gotta go through the same approval process as the rest of them. If the council/people/whatever it is that handles the approval process in an area says no, we're not going to approve your parade, then I would respect that decision, and so should the people who want to have the parade.
So many people would leap at this as an anti-gay attack, but it's really not.
I actually volunteered at a Pride march here in Rockhampton, which wasn't a very big event, but for a small city like this in Queensland, it was kind of a big deal. If the approval process had denied us, all we can do is reapply and try and present our case again, just like everybody else.
there are assholes on both sides. People that try to force gays into not doing what they want or even hurting them because of some religious belief or simply because they find strange, and gays that expect everyone to think that what they do is the most beautiful thing in the world and if someone have a different opinion they act in the same way as the people that actually are mean to them.
For me, marriage doesnt mean much to me, so it doesnt make any difference whenever two guys marry or not.
Christmas parades and other holiday parades are completely different thing. They are being made in the name of something special that happened long time ago. On the other hand, whats the point of the gay parade? Some people are gay.. ooookay.... how this concerns me or everyone else to make it such a big thing deserving even a parade? Its like making a parade because you are hetero or because you take shit while standing or because you like hot dogs.. it just doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 10, 2014, 09:15:31 PM
and if someone have a different opinion they act in the same way as the people that actually are mean to them.
Erik Lehnsherr proved it (and I wasn't mean in any of my posts).
Yeah, it really does bother me how some gay people I've met wield persecution complex like a Christian in a progressive state. It's made even worse by the fact that homosexuals do face real persecution, so screaming about biggotry to get your way, regardless of the circumstances, ends up cheapening the real cases.
I've only had a few gay friends and almost all of them have been rather cartoonish, like a bad Family Guy joke. Basically they would dress girly and act flamboyantly in public (nothing wrong with that, by the way) but if anyone raised a brow at this they would act as if they were being oppressed and make a huge scene out of it. It was incredibly embarrassing and makes the entire movement look bad, cheapening the very real struggle I and many others face.
QuoteChristmas parades and other holiday parades are completely different thing. They are being made in the name of something special that happened long time ago. On the other hand, whats the point of the gay parade? Some people are gay.. ooookay.... how this concerns me or everyone else to make it such a big thing deserving even a parade? Its like making a parade because you are hetero or because you take shit while standing or because you like hot dogs.. it just doesn't make sense.
So a commercial holiday with Religious trappings is of great importance, but drawing attention to the fact that you share your city with a great many people who are being denied the rights you enjoy is just not a thing? Noted.
I think I read somewhere that the gay pride parades had the poorest behaving attendees of any parade in America. :laugh:
I'd believe it.
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Quote from: WinterActual on May 10, 2014, 09:23:12 PM
Christmas parades and other holiday parades are completely different thing. They are being made in the name of something special that happened long time ago. On the other hand, whats the point of the gay parade? Some people are gay.. ooookay.... how this concerns me or everyone else to make it such a big thing deserving even a parade? Its like making a parade because you are hetero or because you take shit while standing or because you like hot dogs.. it just doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Samhain13 on May 10, 2014, 09:15:31 PM
and if someone have a different opinion they act in the same way as the people that actually are mean to them.
Erik Lehnsherr proved it (and I wasn't mean in any of my posts).
You want to deny someone else the same rights you have because they are different than you.
That's disgusting.
You are "mean" by the very fact that you believe that is okay.
And even if I am "mean" to you, it's for good reason. Look at my avi for god's sake, I'd gladly wipe your scum from the face of the earth given the chance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA5XjOsx-fo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA5XjOsx-fo#)
I don't take Christmas as religious holiday. Its all about the Xmass tree and the food and the presents.
You don't have to watch or go to the parade?
It's barely jumping and getting in peoples faces..
Banes right we need them to gentrify mars, it works everywhere else.
Haha but Christmas gets you a week (or at least a few days) off work, so I can happily accept a cheerful, well behaved parade for a few hours. Personally I don't think atheists should get a single holiday, because if they take them then they're just being lazy. :laugh:
I said commercial holiday with Religious trappings, now would you like to actually address my response to you or avoid it by making a false correction?
Not to be snippy, but you've avoided most direct questions and have been very vague. Could you please try and explain why you don't support my equality with something more substantial then 'it's different'.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 09:31:19 PM
You want to deny someone else the same rights you have because they are different than you.
That's disgusting.
You are "mean" by the very fact that you believe that.
I am asking you again, if you were going to react like that to everyone who don't approve the same sex marriage, why you asked the question then?
People with an indefensible position always hide behind courtesy.
Quote from: BANE on May 10, 2014, 09:35:16 PM
Haha but Christmas gets you a week (or at least a few days) off work, so I can happily accept a cheerful, well behaved parade for a few hours. Personally I don't think atheists should get a single holiday, because if they take them then they're just being lazy. :laugh:
Who really cares, Christmas as it is now belongs to all of us, it was one of the most basic pagan holidays due to the winter.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 10, 2014, 09:36:15 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 09:31:19 PM
You want to deny someone else the same rights you have because they are different than you.
That's disgusting.
You are "mean" by the very fact that you believe that.
I am asking you again, if you were going to react like that to everyone who don't approve the same sex marriage, why you asked the question then?
I never asked a question.
None of which matters to you as an atheist.
Lazy, lazy atheist.
QuoteI'd gladly wipe your scum from the face of the earth given the chance.
What combat skills you have that are making you believe you can kill me?
Quote from: BANE on May 10, 2014, 09:39:32 PM
None of which matters to you as an atheist.
Lazy, lazy atheist.
Lazy Agnostic thank you very much.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 10, 2014, 09:44:02 PM
QuoteI'd gladly wipe your scum from the face of the earth given the chance.
What combat skills you have that are making you believe you can kill me?
LOL
#FigtMehIrlbro
QuoteNot to be snippy, but you've avoided most direct questions and have been very vague.
I just don't want to wage war, thats why I am avoiding your questions. And whats so vague? I don't accept the same sex marriages, and thats it.
....but why? :P
Quote from: WinterActual on May 10, 2014, 09:50:15 PM
QuoteNot to be snippy, but you've avoided most direct questions and have been very vague.
I just don't want to wage war, thats why I am avoiding your questions. And whats so vague? I don't accept the same sex marriages, and thats it.
I asked you why you don't accept them. Your saying to me that I shouldn't have all the rights you do, I think you can explain to me why that is.
lol aw snahp here comes the reports and the mods
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 09:31:19 PM
You want to deny someone else the same rights you have because they are different than you.
That's disgusting.
You are "mean" by the very fact that you believe that is okay.
And even if I am "mean" to you, it's for good reason. Look at my avi for god's sake, I'd gladly wipe your scum from the face of the earth given the chance.
you are almost as ignorant as believers that say gays were made by satan to spread aids to the children of god and must be exterminated. if someone disagrees with you then I guess the best answer is to kill them right? not everyone have to think its normal to two guys marry, what difference his opinion makes to you anyway?
Samhain, would you extend this same tolerance to White Supremacists, or Misogynists? If opinions are harmless, surely you're okay with someone saying you are less of a person or deserve less because of your race or gender.
His opinion restricts/ attempts to restrict the rights of others.
I'm quite aware that punishing intolerance with further intolerance doesn't really solve anything, but we can't all be idealists.
Evil people exist that wish to restrict the rights of others, I can't stand for that when the idealists fail.
We either change their minds or they get the hell out of our way.
Quote from: Sabby on May 10, 2014, 10:10:16 PM
Samhain, would you extend this same tolerance to White Supremacists, or Misogynists? If opinions are harmless, surely you're okay with someone saying you are less of a person or deserve less because of your race or gender.
Probally, they dont bother me at all, as long as they dont try to force me to agree with them.
Im an atheist, christians have said a lot of shit to me so I know how thats like. Their opinions doesnt mean anything to me, and the fact that someone says they are wrong seems to make them feel worse than me despite any kind of insult they use.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 10, 2014, 10:17:15 PM
His opinion restricts/ attempts to restrict the rights of others.
I'm quite aware that punishing intolerance with further intolerance doesn't really solve anything, but we can't all be idealists.
Evil people exist that wish to restrict the rights of others, I can't stand for that when the idealists fail.
We either change their minds or they get the hell out of our way.
He isnt attemping anything, its not like he is trying to stop gay marriage, he just dont like it. I dont like religion but it doesnt mean I will try to stop people from having one
I can understand that, but for some people, the whole live and let live mentality is a bit of an enabler. I feel that way at times, as well, so I definitely understand Eriks reaction.
Basically, live and let live only serves to maintain things, not change them, so if things suck right now, live and let live will just preserve the suckiness. Crap like homophobia doesn't just go away, it has to be challenged, and that's what I and others are trying to do with WA. Yes, he's entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to find his opinion questionable.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2014, 08:56:08 PM
You want to be gay, go right ahead. Why do you feel the need to jump in my face and scream and yell and tell me about why I should think you're awesome?
Implying anyone has ever done that to you ever ::)
Erik, shut up. You're almost as bad for the pro-gay position as fedora wearers are for Atheism.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 10, 2014, 10:47:19 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2014, 08:56:08 PM
You want to be gay, go right ahead. Why do you feel the need to jump in my face and scream and yell and tell me about why I should think you're awesome?
Implying anyone has ever done that to you ever ::)
Yeah, because of course, I was being literal. Are you for real?
Nah, I get that you were being typically hyperbolic in a discussion about real world shit. Continue.
Doom you gotta stop doing these fake outs in serious discussions man.
Sure.
My feeling is this, for those for you who willfully misunderstood it. Being gay is up to you. It has no bearing on me. I just don't understand point of pride parades. Why do we *need* to celebrate the fact that there are gay communities in a given city?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2014, 11:40:30 PM
Being gay is up to you.
Um, no it isn't.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2014, 11:40:30 PM
I just don't understand point of pride parades. Why do we *need* to celebrate the fact that there are gay communities in a given city?
Why do we need to celebrate
anything?You just sound like a homophobe who's uncomfortable with the idea of gay people being visible.
...they'll only stop doing gay pride parades when homophobia dies.
so.... Doomrulz... all you need to do is... find this homophobia.. and kill it! :P
That would probably mean starting with himself ;D
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Homophobia is kind of a reason for pride parades. It's a way of saying hey, neighbors, remember us? We ain't going anywhere.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 10, 2014, 11:45:13 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2014, 11:40:30 PM
Being gay is up to you.
Um, no it isn't.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2014, 11:40:30 PM
I just don't understand point of pride parades. Why do we *need* to celebrate the fact that there are gay communities in a given city?
Why do we need to celebrate anything?
You just sound like a homophobe who's uncomfortable with the idea of gay people being visible.
Sure.
I'm not going to bother explaining myself to someone like you because these exchanges become an exercise in tedium and patience. It's not worth it.
Quote from: Sabby on May 10, 2014, 11:48:37 PM
Homophobia is kind of a reason for pride parades. It's a way of saying hey, neighbors, remember us? We ain't going anywhere.
Homophobia is so silly. How can someone be scared of gay people? What you call homophobes, I call dumbasses.
I don't think you're a homophobe Doom, but homophobia certainly does exist. To say otherwise is to say I've imagined 25 years of interaction with my father.
Sorry to hear. I mean no disrespect :(
Let me clarify. I find the term homophobic odd because like I said, how is one "scared" of gay people? They're not scared. They're just ignorant and dumb.
P.S. Kind of wish War Wager was here....
Homophobia.
An extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.
Aversion
a strong dislike or disinclination.
It's an apt description.
That's a better definition than the one I had in my head, so thanks :)
Again, I'm sorry to hear about your relationship with your father. May I ask how bad it's been?
Eh, about as good as that kind of situation can go between a bisexual son and a football playing straight edge working man father. Starts with extreme discomfort, years of avoidance and denial, then tentatively trying to salvage whats left and just accept the way things are.
Now that doesn't bother me so much. He's made the effort to accept me for who I am, so I do the same for him. I can't and won't expect him to just change overnight for me. That would be hypocritical.
I treat my relationship with my father far gentler then I do the political side of the issue though xD as I said before, live and let live is fine in a situation like the one I have with dad, but when it comes to politics, more often then not living and letting live just enables shit like homophobia to go unchallenged.
The political side of it is certainly a hairy one. I think that will only change with time, but my personal opinion is that highlighting gay communities while half-naked people parade in the street isn't going to change that. I say based on my observation that homophobic people are incensed even more when they see the parades happening.
I actually agree to a point xD never understood why pride parades are so sexualized, when the whole point of them is to fight stereotypes and insensitivity. We get called a culture of sexual deviants and pedophiles, and our response is to take to the streets in assless chaps?
I'm not against them though, I just think pride parades should be handled the same as any other parade, approved by the people who will view it. If those people all decide they're fine with assless leather chaps, then go right ahead boys. There are plenty of gay friendly places with a high gay population and active gay club scene that would approve a highly sexualized parade just for the fun of it.
Homophobia = fear of homosexuals. I'm so sick of modern politically charged definitions twisting simple words around, whether the purpose is good or bad. It's simply inaccurate.
Phobia = fear
Homo = teh gay. Homo actually translates from latin as 'the same,' so in the case of sexual relationships, would mean fear of same sex relations.
Heterophobia would be fear of opposite sex relationships.
I don't care what Miriam-Webster says. They're sell out betrayers of grammar that can suck my sheboygan. :laugh: Phobia is carried over from Latin to describe fears of all types, so there's no reason it would be different in this circumstance just because there's a huge gay hate problem.
Pick a more intelligent term, like anti-homosexual.
You don't call Nazi's and people who hate Jews "semitiphobic" do you? :P
I hate to be pedantic, but I think Nazis were actually afraid of non-Aryans, no matter what ethnic or religious group they belonged to.
Definitions of words change as the use of the word changes. Homophobia does technically mean fear of homosexuals, but the word isn't used to mean that anymore. We can either change the word or change the definition. Which is less jarring?
Sure, but
fear, regardless of what it could imply, does not technically equate to hate or irrational violence. It's an assumption that doesn't belong in a technical definition.
When you're afraid of something, sure, you could be violent. We could use Yoda logic and say of course it leads to anger, to aggression blah blah, but for accuracy's sake, you could also run the f**k away.
You're afraid of bears, do you attack them?
You're afraid of lightning, do you run outside during storms?
Afraid of gays, better attack them! :D
Quote from: Sabby on May 11, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
Definitions of words change as the use of the word changes. Homophobia does technically mean fear of homosexuals, but the word isn't used to mean that anymore. We can either change the word or change the definition. Which is less jarring?
Less jarring? Uh, that would be whatever doesn't completely fly in the face of grammar, which has, ya know, rules.
Perhaps the word could do with an update, but I'd put it fairly low on the list of priorities. Let's get me the right to have a husband first, then maybe we can go after textbook definitions ;)
Quote from: Sabby on May 11, 2014, 12:47:39 AM
Perhaps the word could do with an update, but I'd put it fairly low on the list of priorities. Let's get me the right to have a husband first, then maybe we can go after textbook definitions ;)
Lol, yes very fair. If we're going to stay all Latin, it should be 'contemno homo' or something I think.
I know people aren't going to change their use of the word, it's just that...
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GRAMMAR MOTHERf**kER
:laugh:
Please carry on with discussion. My grammar tour of duty has ended.
I know that feel, Dragon.
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Closet faggots, that's who ;)
I love politically incorrect redneck.
Quote from: Sabby on May 11, 2014, 12:47:39 AM
Perhaps the word could do with an update, but I'd put it fairly low on the list of priorities. Let's get me the right to have a husband first, then maybe we can go after textbook definitions ;)
I'm guessing you live in a state where homosexuality is still illegal?
I dunno, I mean... I've seen some pretty big faggots... they could really hurt you. I ran over one with my bike the other day and it shredded my tire.
There was like 6 of them all in a pile. Rough bark, too.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2014, 01:39:32 AM
Quote from: Sabby on May 11, 2014, 12:47:39 AM
Perhaps the word could do with an update, but I'd put it fairly low on the list of priorities. Let's get me the right to have a husband first, then maybe we can go after textbook definitions ;)
I'm guessing you live in a state where homosexuality is still illegal?
Not illegal, just in that same social quagmire you see in the states.
QuoteHomophobia ... was defined as an emotional or affective response including fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort, and aversion that an individual experiences in interacting with gay individuals, which may or may not involve a cognitive component.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Homophobia (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Homophobia)
What about intense homeripra?
If I express my homeripra towards gay people am I homophobic?
I'm so confused.
Quote from: Gilfryd on May 11, 2014, 02:30:29 AM
QuoteHomophobia ... was defined as an emotional or affective response including fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort, and aversion that an individual experiences in interacting with gay individuals, which may or may not involve a cognitive component.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Homophobia (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Homophobia)
You can put it on 'smartest asshole in the world wiki' and define it however you want, it doesn't change the rules of language or the meaning of the root words.
Phobia means fear. Fear does not include or imply hatred. All of that other shit is an implied connotation that has nothing to do with the root words, which are the very construction of the term.
Homosexism would be a better term, closer to racism and sexism which fit their definitions, since deliberate hate is an ideology, not an uncontrollable reaction like
fear. If we want to say that 1> fear is synonymous with hatred and that 2> hatred of gays is some sort of uncontrollable biological response, well, that's just a very uncomfortable conversation that I wouldn't really want to have. :laugh:
Homophobes should be terrified of gays and run screaming in the other direction. :P If only the word actually fit the definition, we wouldn't have any hate crimes because that's exactly what would happen.
But in casual use, people say homophobe to mean bigoted, violent psychotic. That's whatever, I just want to be clear about the grammar. I spend all day looking at words; these rants aren't my fault lol.
I may have to work homosexism into my vocabulary. Thank you :)
Quote from: Sabby on May 11, 2014, 03:01:18 AM
I may have to work homosexism into my vocabulary. Thank you :)
Success!
Don't think I can use it just yet, as it will sound like I'm accusing people of being a sexist and gay.
Btw someone said I was attempting to limits his rights or something (about the marriage that is). Let me tell you something - personally I don't like any sort of marriage - man with woman, woman with woman, man with car, man with anime wife doll, man with goat, man with bear, man with video game character, man with insect, etc. I don't see any benefits really. The marriage have nothing but downsides. If you like each other - stay/live together and thats it. Marriage... geez... what year you live in? 1950?
Winter, understand, we don't know what you're stance on it is because you've refused to explain. All you've said is you don't like it. There are going to be misunderstandings from that. You might have saved yourself more shit by simply open then you would have gotten from shutting up.
Quote from: Sabby on May 11, 2014, 06:14:30 AM
Winter, understand, we don't know what you're stance on it is because you've refused to explain. All you've said is you don't like it.
Do you need to know more than that? Doubt it.
Of course not, but you know that only saying "I don't like it" and then leaving makes you look like a bigot.
I hope this thread goes on forever. I love these AVPGalaxy debates on real world matters. So much... passion.
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In my view, why not? Gay, transgender, why not? I believe we all should have the right to marriage. They're allowed to go march in the streets and be proud, feel safe in their community because we all have that right. And with civil unions I agree, if you're going allow the benefits of marriage, why not let them have marriage?
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on May 11, 2014, 07:12:21 AM
And with civil unions I agree, if you're going allow the benefits of marriage, why not let them have marriage?
It's like if some c**tface on the playground is hoarding all the Power Rangers toys, and when his mum says no, stop being a dick and let the others have a toy, he gives them a Beetle Borg. Sure, it does the same thing, basically, but that little f**k still gets all the Power Rangers to himself, so he still feels special. And that just makes me want to punch him more.
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on May 11, 2014, 07:12:21 AM
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Anyway, yea, let them have cake.
Quote from: Sabby on May 11, 2014, 06:55:09 AM
Of course not, but you know that only saying "I don't like it" and then leaving makes you look like a bigot.
Sure.
So you'd prefer to present yourself as a bigot then actually explain what your position is?
No no no. I am not presenting myself as anything. You see me as bigot because I simply don't want to tell you something, which doesn't proves anything. Think of it like a hamburger. Some people prefer it with onions while others don't . Are you questioning everybody WHY exactly he prefer it without? Are you sure you are not a cop?
Quote from: WinterActual on May 11, 2014, 09:47:48 AM
No no no. I am not presenting myself as anything. You see me as bigot because I simply don't want to tell you something, which doesn't proves anything. Think of it like a hamburger. Some people prefer it with onions while others don't . Are you questioning everybody WHY exactly he prefer it without? Are you sure you are not a cop?
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I'm not saying you're a bigot, and I'm also not saying your choice to not elaborate makes you a bigot. What I'm saying is that what you have actually said makes you seem bigoted, and so choosing not to elaborate leaves us with that impression.
QuoteMan with transgender person is something that I can accept easily but man with another man - no way bro.
So you position, so far, is that you cannot accept a man being with a man. I ask you to explain why that is, and you become defensive and leave. So I am left only with your inability to accept men on men relations.
Would you like to elaborate as to why you feel that way, or would you prefer to leave us with "I can't accept gayness".
I don't know if this fits here but I thought it was interesting -
http://www.buzzfeed.com/sbkasulke/everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-transgender-peopl (http://www.buzzfeed.com/sbkasulke/everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-transgender-peopl)
Quote from: Sabby on May 11, 2014, 08:21:26 AM
So you'd prefer to present yourself as a bigot then actually explain what your position is?
It likely because he has no good reason to dislike it.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 11, 2014, 06:10:12 AM
Btw someone said I was attempting to limits his rights or something (about the marriage that is). Let me tell you something - personally I don't like any sort of marriage - man with woman, woman with woman, man with car, man with anime wife doll, man with goat, man with bear, man with video game character, man with insect, etc. I don't see any benefits really. The marriage have nothing but downsides. If you like each other - stay/live together and thats it. Marriage... geez... what year you live in? 1950?
This sounds familiar. Are you a MGTOW?
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on May 11, 2014, 07:12:21 AM
And with civil unions I agree, if you're going allow the benefits of marriage, why not let them have marriage?
Because marriage itself, outside the benefits it brings in terms of tax breaks and what have you, is a religious thing.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2014, 01:08:23 PM
This sounds familiar. Are you a MGTOW?
A what? :laugh:
Quoteand you become defensive and leave
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 11, 2014, 12:21:44 PM
It likely because he has no good reason to dislike it.
No, I really do but last time when I tried to say something on that matter I got temp banned. The moderators are tolerating you as much as they can so there's no point for me to say anything because I will get insta banned. You used abusive language against me at least 3 times and I reported you 3 times ofc and you are still here lol.. The time when I got banned it was a direct shot, without a warning. I am not bothering with this shit again. If the forum was more open for the free speech, I don't mind to tell you but I am not going to lose my acc just because you want me to explain something that you probably won't even understand. Btw, you are not the one who's deciding whats a good reason or not.
Men Going Their Own Way, but since it didn't sound familiar, I'm guessing not haha.
We are open to free speech. You should see what I got into last night in the In The News thread. Some people are just touchy dude. The best advice is to not use profanity and stick to well-reasoned arguments.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2014, 01:55:21 PM
Men Going Their Own Way
Good ol' chronic masturbation. :)
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2014, 02:10:54 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2014, 01:55:21 PM
Men Going Their Own Way
Good ol' chronic masturbation. :)
Well, I'd be lying if I said I haven't heard some guys say they have a relationship with Pamela Henderson, lol. Whether they were MGTOW or not, I don't know.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2014, 01:55:21 PM
The best advice is to not use profanity and stick to well-reasoned arguments.
Thats why I am not returning fire to Erik and you know that I have other ways to play the game :laugh: But in this thread its not even worth the try. Its already hilarious.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 11, 2014, 02:54:12 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2014, 01:55:21 PM
The best advice is to not use profanity and stick to well-reasoned arguments.
Thats why I am not returning fire to Erik and you know that I have other ways to play the game :laugh: But in this thread its not even worth the try. Its already hilarious.
Just take care of yourself dude. I'd hate for anything to happen.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 11, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2014, 01:08:23 PM
This sounds familiar. Are you a MGTOW?
A what? :laugh:
Quoteand you become defensive and leave
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 11, 2014, 12:21:44 PM
It likely because he has no good reason to dislike it.
No, I really do but last time when I tried to say something on that matter I got temp banned. The moderators are tolerating you as much as they can so there's no point for me to say anything because I will get insta banned. You used abusive language against me at least 3 times and I reported you 3 times ofc and you are still here lol.. The time when I got banned it was a direct shot, without a warning. I am not bothering with this shit again. If the forum was more open for the free speech, I don't mind to tell you but I am not going to lose my acc just because you want me to explain something that you probably won't even understand. Btw, you are not the one who's deciding whats a good reason or not.
I will decide what a good reason is, and because you haven't provided one proves that you don't even have confidence in your own reasoning because deep down you know you're just another bigot.
Ease up with the name-calling, please. Let's not let this become a shouting match.
Erik, shut up goddammit.
That'd be great if he could tell me why he's not a homophobe and a bigot, but that's what he's presented himself as. Unless he proves otherwise.
Obviously he is, that's not news. But you're acting like a dweeb. Stop it.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 11, 2014, 05:10:36 PM
Obviously he is, that's not news. But you're acting like a dweeb. Stop it.
I get you, not worth it.
No, you're just making things worse mate.
Quote from: BANE on May 11, 2014, 05:24:13 PM
No, you're just making things worse mate.
I think Cvalda already made that point.
Unless you mean something different.
The amount of Jimmies that Winter has rustled.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on May 11, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
The amount of Jimmies that Winter has rustled.
Faults irritate me.
I've always wondered what does your personal text mean?
Quote from: Predaker on May 11, 2014, 04:41:10 PM
So if one of them is wearing a wig and a dress, you're okay with a little sucky sucky?
It seems you are mistaking transvestites/crossdressers with transsexuals. Its totally different.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 11, 2014, 05:09:24 PM
That'd be great if he could tell me why he's not a homophobe and a bigot, but that's what he's presented himself as. Unless he proves otherwise.
Why I have to prove you anything? :laugh: Whats in for me? It's not like I care if you think that I am a homophobe, bigot or else. If you think I am taking the opinion of some random guy from the internet very seriously, you are in big mistake.
I am ok with both.
Waste of space and time, I don't think I'll be returning here any time soon.
FYI...
Quote from: WinterActual on Apr 08, 2014, 06:49:55 PM
Because it looks funny as it is. DooM is kinda plausible. One guy can wipe out the hell's army, but one guy to take on the Reich - doubt it.
Winteractual's greatest hit. :laugh:
Quote from: Chronicle on May 10, 2014, 05:06:49 PM
I happen to be gay and I was wandering if anyone else believes its ok if a man and a man or a woman and a woman get married to each other. Do you believe in gay rights and the freedom of gay marriage?
Of course. There should be no differences between man/woman, man/man, woman/woman couples. Luckily, it hasn't been an issue around here during my lifetime.
I have no idea why some feel threatened by the idea of same sex marriages... (well, I do, but I have no desire to debate it here)
Drag queens winning Eurovision will destroy civilisation.
And since that happened in Copenhagen - it's all Eva's fault.
Oh SCHNAPPS!
Quote from: Eva on May 11, 2014, 09:10:39 PM
Quote from: Chronicle on May 10, 2014, 05:06:49 PM
I happen to be gay and I was wandering if anyone else believes its ok if a man and a man or a woman and a woman get married to each other. Do you believe in gay rights and the freedom of gay marriage?
Of course. There should be no differences between man/woman, man/man, woman/woman couples. Luckily, it hasn't been an issue around here during my lifetime.
I have no idea why some feel threatened by the idea of same sex marriages... (well, I do, but I have no desire to debate it here)
Something about the sanctimony of procreation and traditionalism. As if that's supposed to mean anything.
Winter, if you were afraid that your opinion would get you banned, you could have just said so. I'd have respected your choice not to elaborate. The fact you only told us that after being pressed shows me you needed an excuse after the fact.
At least, that's how it comes across to me. I can't make any real judgement of your position until you share it, but I honestly think your doing yourself no favors with this vagueness and dodging, regardless of your actual answer.
Quote from: Blacklabel on May 11, 2014, 09:04:44 PM
FYI...
Quote from: WinterActual on Apr 08, 2014, 06:49:55 PM
Because it looks funny as it is. DooM is kinda plausible. One guy can wipe out the hell's army, but one guy to take on the Reich - doubt it.
Winteractual's greatest hit. :laugh:
Ok man, tell me why I am wrong? The demons are made of flesh - they can be killed with bullets. They are not ghosts you know. Also, if you get your hands on the soul cube you are set against the Cyber Demon too! You can ask Predxeno in the Aliens vs DooM topic :P
Quote from: Sabby on May 12, 2014, 02:37:50 AM
Winter, if you were afraid that your opinion would get you banned, you could have just said so. I'd have respected your choice not to elaborate. The fact you only told us that after being pressed shows me you needed an excuse after the fact.
Excuse? Dude, I am not in the dark room of some police office. I don't have to explain you anything. I just answered the OP's question and that's it. You think that everybody who don't agree with the same sex marriage and gay parades should feel guilty or ashamed. Thats not gonna happen.
So would you be okay with an Alien marrying a Cyber Demon?
Quote from: SM on May 12, 2014, 07:00:35 AM
So would you be okay with an Alien marrying a Cyber Demon?
If we allow that, what's next? Men marrying ANIMALS? This slope is mighty slippery.
Believe it or not, it's happened (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93animal_marriage) lol.
Thats nothing new.... People marry videogame characters, their cars, etc... I am hearing things like that all the time. Nothing new or strange really.
Bros with Bros! Gals with Gals!
CATS AND DOGS LIVING TOGETHER. MASS HYSTERIA. :P
This is the guy we're dealing with...
Quote from: WinterActual on Feb 20, 2014, 05:54:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNB3N6DWVTs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNB3N6DWVTs#ws)
:laugh:
Not worth encouraging further responses from him.
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2014, 10:04:37 PM
Drag queens winning Eurovision will destroy civilisation.
And since that happened in Copenhagen - it's all Eva's fault.
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Spoiler
I don't even watch the Eurovision Song Contest... :D
Quote from: Eva on May 12, 2014, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2014, 10:04:37 PM
Drag queens winning Eurovision will destroy civilisation.
And since that happened in Copenhagen - it's all Eva's fault.
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I don't even watch the Eurovision Song Contest... :D
where did this conversation go :laugh:
Quote from: Eva on May 12, 2014, 09:20:19 PM
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2014, 10:04:37 PM
Drag queens winning Eurovision will destroy civilisation.
And since that happened in Copenhagen - it's all Eva's fault.
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I don't even watch the Eurovision Song Contest... :D
Spoiler
Heathen
Quote from: SM on May 12, 2014, 11:13:43 PM
Spoiler
Heathen
Wanna play stone, paper, scissors with me...
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;D
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Quote from: SM on May 12, 2014, 11:13:43 PM
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Heathen
Wanna play stone, paper, scissors with me...
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"Are there any women here today?"
I support same sex marriage.
Quote from: Vickers on May 12, 2014, 08:27:41 PM
This is the guy we're dealing with...
Quote from: WinterActual on Feb 20, 2014, 05:54:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNB3N6DWVTs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNB3N6DWVTs#ws)
:laugh:
Not worth encouraging further responses from him.
So you think I am one of the guys in this vid? Nice stuff. Welcome to the internet btw, its 2014.
I think it's more that you laughed at a peaceful protestor being beaten by police.
It's Pussy Riot, the thing was staged.
mannnnn this thread needs more discussion on why or why not same sex marriage should be allowed. not some brief yays or nays and then pages of dodging and pursuit.
Wouldn't be no pursuit if there weren't no dodging.
Quote from: Sabby on May 13, 2014, 04:43:24 AM
I think it's more that you laughed at a peaceful protestor being beaten by police.
So I am supposed to cry? Lol no. They provoked it - they were insulting the president and the country. It was inevitable that they will be put down. Their gender and age doesn't matter at all. This happens to everybody who talks shit like that in the public.
Besides they should be used to that already. They took a beating when they were pissing in a church one year ago. Its funny to see how you approve such behavior and you want those people to get away with it like nothing happened. But ofc I am the bad guy because I agree with the law ::)
1. I didn't bring gender into this. You did.
2. What exactly am I hoping they 'get away with?'
3. Am I to understand you support the public beating of protestors, peaceful or otherwise?
4. You consider questioning a countries leader some kind of crime?
You know what we do in a civilized place when a band member goes to piss in a church for attention? We arrest them. We don't kick the shit out of them and then accuse anyone who raises a brow at this of being some sort of closet anarchist.
For someone who accuses others so often of presumptions, you use a lot of loaded sentences.
For the record - I'm a supporter of gay marriage.
The fact that this is an issue in 2014 seems strange to me but anyway.
If two adults (regardless of gender or race or whatever) decide to get married - they should be allowed to.
A question I have - what about Polyamory? what if three people decide to get married? should that be allowed? Why or why not?
I got no problem with that either. I find it's easier to use the Consenting Adults line instead of listing off activities and asking if it's okay.
If 2 guys and 3 girls want to have a 5 person marriage, let them.
If they want to bring the dog into the bedroom, sure, so long as the dog isn't hurt or upset.
And f**k it, if they want to get out the heavier bondage and bleed a little, sure, they're responsible adults, they should be able to do that responsibly.
So long as it's in the privacy of their home, all consent and take the appropriate responsibility, I could give a f**k what they're doing.
The only real issue I see for throwing the doors open like this is how the hell the legal system will keep. I could just see someone abusing the marriage system by marrying a plant just to get tax benefits. That's not a Slippery Slope Argument by the way. This is why laws are so stupidly meticulous. Any wiggle room and someone will exploit it.
Quote from: Sabby on May 13, 2014, 06:00:19 AM
I got no problem with that either. I find it's easier to use the Consenting Adults line instead of listing off activities and asking if it's okay.
If 2 guys and 3 girls want to have a 5 person marriage, let them.
If they want to bring the dog into the bedroom, sure, so long as the dog isn't hurt or upset.
And f**k it, if they want to get out the heavier bondage and bleed a little, sure, they're responsible adults, they should be able to do that responsibly.
So long as it's in the privacy of their home, all consent and take the appropriate responsibility, I could give a f**k what they're doing.
The only real issue I see for throwing the doors open like this is how the hell the legal system will keep. I could just see someone abusing the marriage system by marrying a plant just to get tax benefits. That's not a Slippery Slope Argument by the way. This is why laws are so stupidly meticulous. Any wiggle room and someone will exploit it.
Tax issues aside I agree. Consenting Adults is where I sit.
I disagree with your comment regarding the dog however as I don't see how a dog can give consent. It's just too fraught with danger and I just think that is a no no.
Perhaps I'm putting too much trust in pet owners knowing what their pets comfort zones are xD Oh well, I see your point, and I'd have to agree with it.
Quote from: Sabby on May 13, 2014, 05:48:53 AM
You know what we do in a civilized place when a band member goes to piss in a church for attention? We arrest them. We don't kick the shit out of them and then accuse anyone who raises a brow at this of being some sort of closet anarchist.
I understand that but the things work differently in former socialist countries. You have to take in mind that the video takes place in Russia after all.
Your exact words.
QuoteThey provoked it - they were insulting the president and the country. It was inevitable that they will be put down. Their gender and age doesn't matter at all. This happens to everybody who talks shit like that in the public.
I don't care where it's happening, that's barbaric.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2014, 12:11:36 AM
P.S. Kind of wish War Wager was here....
Heard teh call!
I very much support same sex marriage and rights no matter what your orientation is. Frankly, the fact that it's still an issue in this day and age embarrasses me.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2014, 11:40:30 PM
My feeling is this, for those for you who willfully misunderstood it. Being gay is up to you. It has no bearing on me. I just don't understand point of pride parades. Why do we *need* to celebrate the fact that there are gay communities in a given city?
The way you worded that makes it seem like you can choose to be attracted to the same sex, the same way you can choose what to have for lunch. I can assure you that's not the case. I've no issues with parades, more why the need to exist in the first place. Feeling the need to be "proud" of your sexuality, something that you were born with and had no say in. You should be proud of your own personal achievements not something that happened through accident of birth.
Quote from: Sabby on May 13, 2014, 06:18:41 AM
I don't care where it's happening, that's barbaric.
Maybe it is, but neither you nor I can change that. Maybe in 200 years it will be different ::)
Quote from: War Wager on May 13, 2014, 09:19:02 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2014, 12:11:36 AM
P.S. Kind of wish War Wager was here....
Heard teh call!
I very much support same sex marriage and rights no matter what your orientation is. Frankly, the fact that it's still an issue in this day and age embarrasses me.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2014, 11:40:30 PM
My feeling is this, for those for you who willfully misunderstood it. Being gay is up to you. It has no bearing on me. I just don't understand point of pride parades. Why do we *need* to celebrate the fact that there are gay communities in a given city?
The way you worded that makes it seem like you can choose to be attracted to the same sex, the same way you can choose what to have for lunch. I can assure you that's not the case. I've no issues with parades, more why the need to exist in the first place. Feeling the need to be "proud" of your sexuality, something that you were born with and had no say in. You should be proud of your own personal achievements not something that happened through accident of birth.
I didn't mean for it to sound that way. What I meant is that one's sexual orientation is that person's business. Don't make it political.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
I didn't mean for it to sound that way. What I meant is that one's sexual orientation is that person's business. Don't make it political.
That's cool man, we all misspeak :)
Indeed, SJWs be damned.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
What I meant is that one's sexual orientation is that person's business. Don't make it political.
So they shouldn't ask for the right to marry ... ?
Since politicians make laws, it kinda has to be political.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
I didn't mean for it to sound that way. What I meant is that one's sexual orientation is that person's business. Don't make it political.
Point being, when people in power make laws and regulations discriminating people of a certain sexual orientation, then it is no longer 'that person's business'. The state has then made it the state's business as well and it is imo our responsibility as free-minded citizens to protest and influence change.
As for the parades, it's essentially the LGBT community celebrating their newly assured rights to live the lives they wish without public condemnation from the community for whatever warped moral, political or religious reasons. And they sure as hell know how to throw a great party. I really don't see the problem... :)
Quote from: SM on May 13, 2014, 10:15:20 PM
Since politicians make laws, it kinda has to be political.
This
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2014, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
What I meant is that one's sexual orientation is that person's business. Don't make it political.
So they shouldn't ask for the right to marry ... ?
Pierre Trudeau, one of Canada's former PMs, once said that the government has no place in peoples' bedrooms. That's where my sentiment comes from. Why do governments feel they can regulate people's relationships like that? It's stupid. The gay community should never have had to ask in the first place.
Quote from: Eva on May 13, 2014, 10:39:01 PM
As for the parades, it's essentially the LGBT community celebrating their newly assured rights to live the lives they wish without public condemnation from the community for whatever warped moral, political or religious reasons. And they sure as hell know how to throw a great party. I really don't see the problem... :)
I think it's pretentious for one and like I said in an earlier post, having half-naked people jumping in front of a camera being super-flamboyant isn't going to change the minds of homophobes. It's going to turn them even more against it.
Change the minds of homophobes?
Don't be naive.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2014, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 13, 2014, 10:39:01 PM
As for the parades, it's essentially the LGBT community celebrating their newly assured rights to live the lives they wish without public condemnation from the community for whatever warped moral, political or religious reasons. And they sure as hell know how to throw a great party. I really don't see the problem... :)
I think it's pretentious for one and like I said in an earlier post, having half-naked people jumping in front of a camera being super-flamboyant isn't going to change the minds of homophobes. It's going to turn them even more against it.
Not sure how that's "pretentious."
Pretentious: "attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed."
The majority are not trying to impress anyone. They're having fun and celebrating who they are. I personally don't participate in parades but I don't see why it should be such an issue. And you obviously have no idea what you're talking about because a large number of gay people attending the parades aren't half-naked. If a parade turns someone even more against gay people, that's their homophobic issues that they need to deal with. In fact, parades are often encouraging people who are in the closet to come out and to stop feeling like they have to hide in order to please others and fit in with the "norm."
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2014, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 13, 2014, 10:39:01 PM
As for the parades, it's essentially the LGBT community celebrating their newly assured rights to live the lives they wish without public condemnation from the community for whatever warped moral, political or religious reasons. And they sure as hell know how to throw a great party. I really don't see the problem... :)
I think it's pretentious for one and like I said in an earlier post, having half-naked people jumping in front of a camera being super-flamboyant isn't going to change the minds of homophobes. It's going to turn them even more against it.
Ever seen a carnival parade? Lots of half naked people jumping around in flamboyant costumes. How come that's not an issue, but these people doing exactly the same, is? ;)
Besides, a lot of the people taking part in the gay parades, are actually straight people having a good time. If some homophobes have a problem with this - that's their problem.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2014, 10:43:34 PM
Pierre Trudeau, one of Canada's former PMs, once said that the government has no place in peoples' bedrooms. That's where my sentiment comes from. Why do governments feel they can regulate people's relationships like that? It's stupid. The gay community should never have had to ask in the first place.
But they do have to ask, so it's been made a political issue. You're saying gay people shouldn't make being gay political, but what else are they supposed to do in this case?
Quote from: Eva on May 13, 2014, 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2014, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 13, 2014, 10:39:01 PM
As for the parades, it's essentially the LGBT community celebrating their newly assured rights to live the lives they wish without public condemnation from the community for whatever warped moral, political or religious reasons. And they sure as hell know how to throw a great party. I really don't see the problem... :)
I think it's pretentious for one and like I said in an earlier post, having half-naked people jumping in front of a camera being super-flamboyant isn't going to change the minds of homophobes. It's going to turn them even more against it.
Ever seen a carnival parade? Lots of half naked people jumping around in flamboyant costumes. How come that's not an issue, but these people doing exactly the same, is? ;)
Besides, a lot of the people taking part in the gay parades, are actually straight people having a good time. If some homophobes have a problem with this - that's their problem.
Caribana (as an example) here in Toronto isn't celebrated the same way Pride Parades are. People understand that Caribana is going to have cultural dances and whatnot so seeing a woman in a bikini is different than seeing a man (or woman) walking around with his or her ass hanging out just for the heck of it, which is exactly what I've seen happen at Pride parades.
One thing I also take issue with is how participants in pride parades (in particular, not just Pride Week itself) use it as a tool to publicly shame those who don't agree with their views. While I can't understand why anyone would be against gay, lesbians, etc... being married, it's not my place to tell them they're lowly people for not agreeing with me.
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2014, 11:08:14 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2014, 10:43:34 PM
Pierre Trudeau, one of Canada's former PMs, once said that the government has no place in peoples' bedrooms. That's where my sentiment comes from. Why do governments feel they can regulate people's relationships like that? It's stupid. The gay community should never have had to ask in the first place.
But they do have to ask, so it's been made a political issue. You're saying gay people shouldn't make being gay political, but what else are they supposed to do in this case?
I wish there was another way, I guess.
I wish there wasn't an issue, but there is. And it's a political one. You'd rather gay people had some other way of getting laws enacted that didn't involve talking about being gay in public discourse, or what? I don't get what you're trying to say.
a) They should only talk about it in the bedroom, and b) chicks dancing down the street in g-strings with big boobies is perfectly fine.
Quote from: SM on May 13, 2014, 11:24:35 PM
chicks dancing down the street in g-strings with big boobies is perfectly fine.
8)
Quote from: SM on May 13, 2014, 11:24:35 PM
a) They should only talk about it in the bedroom, and b) chicks dancing down the street in g-strings with big boobies is perfectly fine.
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Quote from: SM on May 13, 2014, 11:24:35 PM
b) chicks dancing down the street in g-strings with big boobies is perfectly fine.
Way to oversimplify it. Large breasts or not, they're dressed, as far as I know, in a way that's suited for the actual event as it pertains to Caribbean culture. Based on what I see in the gay community, "gay culture", so to speak, does not involve walking around with your ass or genitals (in some cases) exposed.
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2014, 11:18:51 PM
I wish there wasn't an issue, but there is. And it's a political one. You'd rather gay people had some other way of getting laws enacted that didn't involve talking about being gay in public discourse, or what? I don't get what you're trying to say.
I'm actually going to retract my earlier statement. I was thinking of something else when I wrote it, so yeah, I can see why you're confused. Sorry for that!
QuoteWay to oversimplify it. Large breasts or not, they're dressed, as far as I know, in a way that's suited for the actual event as it pertains to Caribbean culture. Based on what I see in the gay community, "gay culture", so to speak, does not involve walking around with your ass or genitals (in some cases) exposed.
Ah, so boobs and bare arse cheeks covered by something akin to dental floss is fine because "culture", but assless chaps is teh gay.
But please keep trying to dig your way out of this hyporcritical hole you seem so fond of.
;D
Lulz
I'm fond of holes.
Look out for the yellow-spotted lizards.
I enjoy the movie as well.
Holes is a good movie.
No one has the right to tell an other individual on what they should or shouldn't find attractive.
Who the f**k cares? Let other people continue with their lives the way they see fit, as long as they don't hurt anyone.
Being gay is okay the way I see it :)
Quote from: Zenstoren on May 18, 2014, 09:52:32 PM
Who the f**k cares?
A lot of people, unfortunately.
Quote from: Zenstoren on May 18, 2014, 09:52:32 PM
No one has the right to tell an other individual on what they should or shouldn't find attractive.
Who the f**k cares? Let other people continue with their lives the way they see fit, as long as they don't hurt anyone.
Being gay is okay the way I see it :)
Fist bump ;D
I haven't always been the advocate for gay equality that I am now.
When I was younger, I hated gay people. I thought what they did was disgusting and wrong. A lot of it was what I was led to believe my whole life. My sister and I would get into heated arguments over it that would last for days. I cannot believe how wrong I was.
Over the years, I have made several gay friends who have shown me how ignorant I was back then. No one, no matter who they are, has any kind of right to tell anyone what to do with their lives. If it makes someone happy, they should f**king be allowed to do it, end of goddamn story. I support gay marriage in the hopes that we can let go of this ridiculous period of ignorance in society and live peacefully.
As I was walking through a music festival last year, I saw a group of people harassing every gay couple that passed by them with signs saying awful things like "God hates fags.". I walked up to one of them and asked them why they were doing what they were doing. I went on to tell him that what him and his group were doing was wrong. The man replied "Because it's what God has told us to do." and proceeded to verbally berate me.
I replied "You're a shame to your religion." And walked away because I was seconds away from decking that piece of shit in the face.
There should be equal rights for homosexuals. Period.
If someone can marry a pillow or a goat I think anything is fair game
Quote from: Dovahkiin on May 19, 2014, 02:26:34 AM
I haven't always been the advocate for gay equality that I am now.
When I was younger, I hated gay people. I thought what they did was disgusting and wrong. A lot of it was what I was led to believe my whole life. My sister and I would get into heated arguments over it that would last for days. I cannot believe how wrong I was.
Over the years, I have made several gay friends who have shown me how ignorant I was back then. No one, no matter who they are, has any kind of right to tell anyone what to do with their lives. If it makes someone happy, they should f**king be allowed to do it, end of goddamn story. I support gay marriage in the hopes that we can let go of this ridiculous period of ignorance in society and live peacefully.
As I was walking through a music festival last year, I saw a group of people harassing every gay couple that passed by them with signs saying awful things like "God hates fags.". I walked up to one of them and asked them why they were doing what they were doing. I went on to tell him that what him and his group were doing was wrong. The man replied "Because it's what God has told us to do." and proceeded to verbally berate me.
I replied "You're a shame to your religion." And walked away because I was seconds away from decking that piece of shit in the face.
There should be equal rights for homosexuals. Period.
I used to be the same way a couple of years ago, except for the hating them part.
Quote from: Vepariga on May 19, 2014, 02:29:53 AM
If someone can marry a pillow or a goat I think anything is fair game
I don't think that was in America. :laugh:
Quote from: Dovahkiin on May 19, 2014, 02:26:34 AM
No one, no matter who they are, has any kind of right to tell anyone what to do with their lives. If it makes someone happy, they should f**king be allowed to do it, end of goddamn story.
Bit too ambiguous there bud.
Lots of wiggle room.
Okay, okay.
Excluding things like crime, murder and genocide and stuff like that. :laugh:
Quote from: Dovahkiin on May 19, 2014, 02:26:34 AM
I thought what they did was disgusting
Well, isn't it? :laugh:
All sex is kinda disgusting.
So is fast food, yet we find it so hard to resist.
Pretty much.
Quote from: Sabby on May 19, 2014, 04:17:18 AM
So is fast food, yet we find it so hard to resist.
Because Chikfila is delicious.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO-msplukrw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO-msplukrw#ws)
Chow down, Cal.
That's what I was waiting for. :laugh:
Speaking of gay marriage, I've honestly always wondered what drove Fred Phelps to hate homosexuals as much as he did. Does a guy just wake up one morning and decide he's going to arbitrarily decide he's going to hate one group of people?
Quote from: WinterActual on May 19, 2014, 04:11:18 AM
Quote from: Dovahkiin on May 19, 2014, 02:26:34 AM
I thought what they did was disgusting
Well, isn't it? :laugh:
Perhaps, but it makes no difference to you, so why waste your valuable brain power on it.
Look at this from a legal standpoint.
Do gays
a) Break the law? Probably as much as the average citizen, but let's for arguments sake say its nothing serious.
b) Pay their taxes? Probably.
Then they should be able to talk, practice, and do whatever they want without government interference in their religion, sexual preference, gender, political views, media, etc.
Also, homophobics spend more time thinking about dick than homosexuals do.
Quote from: Zenstoren on May 19, 2014, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 19, 2014, 04:11:18 AM
Quote from: Dovahkiin on May 19, 2014, 02:26:34 AM
I thought what they did was disgusting
Well, isn't it? :laugh:
Perhaps, but it makes no difference to you, so why waste your valuable brain power on it.
I am not ;)
He has no brain power to waste. :laugh:
Reported.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 19, 2014, 06:35:45 PM
He has no brain power to waste. :laugh:
Not cool. Insulting other members is not tolerated.
Can we report people for prejudice or is that cool? ;)
But of course, calling out a person on being horrible isn't allowed, but apparently being horrible is allowed.
If you disagree with someone, that's cool. Insulting them just because they think differently isn't.
No one should even have the right to inflict harm upon others, unless they are the one punishing those who have inflicted harm.
But apparently- prejudice is "A-OK" on AVPG.
Ladies and gentlemen, how 'bout them Gay orgies?
Quote from: Gate on May 19, 2014, 09:48:24 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, how 'bout them Gay orgies?
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Quote from: Vickers on May 19, 2014, 09:08:51 PM
Can we report people for prejudice or is that cool? ;)
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 19, 2014, 09:24:20 PM
No one should even have the right to inflict harm upon others, unless they are the one punishing those who have inflicted harm.
But apparently- prejudice is "A-OK" on AVPG.
I agree. A lot of the stuff WinterActual has said is pretty shitty.
He never actually insulted someone though.
Quote from: Dovahkiin on May 19, 2014, 02:26:34 AM
As I was walking through a music festival last year, I saw a group of people harassing every gay couple that passed by them with signs saying awful things like "God hates fags.". I walked up to one of them and asked them why they were doing what they were doing. I went on to tell him that what him and his group were doing was wrong. The man replied "Because it's what God has told us to do." and proceeded to verbally berate me.
I replied "You're a shame to your religion."
Thank you for standing up to them, but aren't they just being very specific with what the Bible commands?
Or they blatantly misinterpreted something.
Quote from: Vickers on May 19, 2014, 09:08:51 PM
Can we report people for prejudice or is that cool? ;)
Just because a book tells you to be an asshole doesn't mean you need to be, even if your faith implies it so.
Let me delve deeper into this for a second.
Spoiler
Being able to interpret the Bible is proof that it's a human construct.
Spoiler
A lot of people use Bible quotes out of context. It's just like taking a scene from a book and using it to say "look what this book talks about! It must be evil" or "this is my proof that I have to follow this". The Bible itself actually has a lot of morally decent things written into it, and people misuse them beyond comprehension. I believe in a higher power, and if he was all-powerful he wouldn't give a shit if we f**ked a horse more or less another man. Need I remind you homosex is prevalent in the animal kingdom?
Quote from: WinterActual on May 19, 2014, 04:11:18 AM
Quote from: Dovahkiin on May 19, 2014, 02:26:34 AM
I thought what they did was disgusting
Well, isn't it? :laugh:
No more or less disgusting than sex between a man and a woman I suppose.
Quote from: Gate on May 20, 2014, 12:05:55 AM
Need I remind you homosex is prevalent in the animal kingdom?
Indeed.
Something I've always pondered; is there an hell for animals? Or different hells for different species? The thought of teh gay kittehs burning for all eternity kinda irks me.
Spoiler
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cooties :-X
Circle circle, dot dot, Cal!
O_O
Don't tell me you've never got a COOTIE SHOT before! :o
Oh no... I missed the vaccination!
RIP :'(
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2014, 12:58:09 AM
RIP :'(
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Quote from: BANE on May 20, 2014, 12:58:39 AM
Hence your ongoing lack of it. ;D
Least I've had it.
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Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 19, 2014, 09:15:28 PM
But of course, calling out a person on being horrible isn't allowed, but apparently being horrible is allowed.
I never called someone horrible personally you know. You on the other hand are insulting people all the time. Woah.. such a badass ::) You are just proving how bad attitude the homosexuals have towards anybody who don't agree with them. As I said before - people think differently, deal with it.
You should read the forum rules before saying who's being tolerated and who's not. In this particular topic I haven't insulted anybody personally. I just stated my opinion and you are ok not to agree with it of course, but insulting me with quotes from the school's playground won't make you a good favor. You can't hurt me with such insults. The only thing you are doing is making the things worse for you because I am reporting your insults which are against the rules and the staff may be tolerating you atm but it won't be forever so keep your mouth shut if you don't have what to say besides your random insults.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 20, 2014, 04:14:24 AM
As I said before - people think differently, deal with it.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 20, 2014, 04:14:24 AMYou are just proving how bad attitude the homosexuals have towards anybody who don't agree with them.
I don't care if someone's gay or bi. It doesn't concerns me at all. I never said anything about that to anyone. I have "dealt with that" <.< Just because I don't agree with the gay marriage doesn't mean I have bad attitude towards such people. Its a personal choice not to agree with that. Even so I am not the law so its not like I am the one who's not allowing it. My opinion is my opinion and it doesn't changes anything. Erik should point his hate towards the people in his country that are deciding such things, not against people on the internet who have different opinion rofl..
As I've said before, no one actually knows your position because you refuse to share it, and what you have shared does imply you are bigoted, so the grief your getting is as much your fault as anyone elses.
Omg not this again.. My position is that I don't agree with it. I think this is clear enough and I don't get why you need (or why you care) more than that.
'I don't agree with it' doesn't explain your position very well. All it shows is your against something. You haven't explained why you feel that way, despite being asked multiple times, so all we have to go on is that you don't like homosexual marriage. Is that really what you'd like to leave us with?
I fully support gay rights and they should be fully allowed to enter into binding agreements with another consenting person of legal age and mind. Which is all marriage is. The US Constitution provides this fully as it is a document that doesn't differentiate between race, creed, sex, nationality... it gives every individual the same rights and protections that any other individual has. It can't judge based on sex, so any two consenting adult can be wed. For those who think this means that you can marry a horse or first cousin etc.. all of that is governed by laws at both the federal and state level and are protected under the same Constitution. So allowing gay marriage will not change any of that. So that slippery slope debate is non-sense.
I have lots of gay friends and acquaintances and I'll be honest, even after all of this time it still does make me feel odd. I don't say anything out of respect but I think a lot of people feel that just thinking it is wrong would be a crime if homosexual marriage is legalized. I think that is why so many people are afraid to state their opinion. Just look at that racist basketball team owner. His organization is not ran in a racist way but his personal views are, yet what happened to free speech and privacy? The funny thing is that most racist people probably aren't even racist, They're just from another time where things were different. Hell most people are not even anti gay, it's just that they have had it beaten into their heads by others, such as the church. For no other reason than someone or something selected gays out as the next big crusade, aka target to bash.
Think about it, we've been here before, first slaves, women rights and now homosexual rights. There is no legal ground to not just end this fight already. What do all of these causes have in common? They were all individual rights restricted to one class of people. Which is unconstitutional.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 20, 2014, 07:26:54 AM
I don't care if someone's gay or bi. It doesn't concerns me at all. I never said anything about that to anyone. I have "dealt with that" <.< Just because I don't agree with the gay marriage doesn't mean I have bad attitude towards such people. Its a personal choice not to agree with that. Even so I am not the law so its not like I am the one who's not allowing it. My opinion is my opinion and it doesn't changes anything. Erik should point his hate towards the people in his country that are deciding such things, not against people on the internet who have different opinion rofl..
No one in my Country is preventing it, which is why you anger me.
Perhaps your culture just hasn't advanced far enough.
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Quote from: WinterActual on May 20, 2014, 04:14:24 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 19, 2014, 09:15:28 PM
But of course, calling out a person on being horrible isn't allowed, but apparently being horrible is allowed.
I never called someone horrible personally you know. You on the other hand are insulting people all the time. Woah.. such a badass ::) You are just proving how bad attitude the homosexuals have towards anybody who don't agree with them. As I said before - people think differently, deal with it.
You should read the forum rules before saying who's being tolerated and who's not. In this particular topic I haven't insulted anybody personally. I just stated my opinion and you are ok not to agree with it of course, but insulting me with quotes from the school's playground won't make you a good favor. You can't hurt me with such insults. The only thing you are doing is making the things worse for you because I am reporting your insults which are against the rules and the staff may be tolerating you atm but it won't be forever so keep your mouth shut if you don't have what to say besides your random insults.
Keep my mouth shut?
Reported Hypocrite, forums or no I'm going to call you out on being a bad person.
Because you are, no matter what way you'd try to spin your bias.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 20, 2014, 07:40:45 AM
Omg not this again.. My position is that I don't agree with it. I think this is clear enough and I don't get why you need (or why you care) more than that.
They're probably confused because you say you are against it, but also claim to not care about the sexual preferences of others...so it's difficult to imagine why you're against gay marriage. The only thing I can come up with is that you make wedding cakes for a living and you don't want to have uneven amounts of the little brides and grooms that go on top.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 20, 2014, 12:25:41 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 20, 2014, 07:40:45 AM
Omg not this again.. My position is that I don't agree with it. I think this is clear enough and I don't get why you need (or why you care) more than that.
They're probably confused because you say you are against it, but also claim to not care about the sexual preferences of others...so it's difficult to imagine why you're against gay marriage. The only thing I can come up with is that you make wedding cakes for a living and you don't want to have uneven amounts of the little brides and grooms that go on top.
OMG you're right! :laugh:
Didn't he say he was against all marriage?
Quote from: WinterActual on May 10, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
Man with transgender person is something that I can accept easily but man with another man - no way bro.
Apparently not Cal, he's just a bigot.
He did say so, yes, but I honestly don't believe that that's his only problem with gay marriage. If he was just against forms of marriage he would have said so, not target gay marriage specifically then go "Oh, well I'm not for marriage at all" after being called a bigot. It screams of ass covering and it's one of the most common non-defenses I hear, right up there with "It's not Adam and STEVE"
So I'm going to lock this thread for some time until cooler heads prevail because pretty soon, someone is going to say something a hell of a lot worse than "bigot".
Cool head here.
What two consenting ADULTS do behind closed doors is none of your business, or mine. In truth, what they do in public should still be their business and theirs alone, but I can understand and empathize with people that feel uncomfortable witnessing intimacy between two members of the same sex (ironically only two blokes. Lesbians are AWESOME right, Christguys?.)
It's not something that I'm completely comfortable seeing myself, but I'd never denigrate those people in the street for it. It's not my place. If it doesn't encroach on me, my family or my way of life, crack the f**k on mate.
And if those two people wish to cement their commitment to each other, they should be afforded the same rights as any pairing of people REGARDLESS OF GENDER that wish to do the same.
Adoption is a separate issue, but progress is being made and there are MANY laws in place to protect minors already (as there should be.)
It all boils down to religions written in a completely different world to the one we experience today. If you didn't have a son in those days, you were pretty much f**ked at 30 because you needed someone bringing the bread home. It's 2014. Can we please move on now and just live and let be?
'Splain the adoption part plz
Quote from: Aspie on May 26, 2014, 11:59:03 PM
'Splain the adoption part plz
I'm not simple or bigoted. Raising a child in a 'Gay' household does not automatically mean that that child will be gay because the parents are. People are born with their sexuality. It's not something one learns, nor is it a disease one can contract, and I personally don't believe it's influenced by the environment one is raised in. To flourish, all a child needs is love, encouragement, and stability. And food, obviously.
I was referring more to the adoption system and how they identify suitable foster parents. There is still a reluctance to allow gay couples to adopt, because there's still an institutionally ingrained opinion that all homosexuals are sex offenders. I have no problem with Gay couples adopting.
Sorry for being vague in the original post :)
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 20, 2014, 12:18:34 PM
No one in my Country is preventing it, which is why you anger me.
Perhaps your culture just hasn't advanced far enough.
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I really hope you used the wrong word because the gay/lesbian marriage is anything but "advanced".. Its military and workforce weakness - one perfect society is supposed to have enough workers to be self sufficient and enough soldiers to be able to defend itself. With allowing gay and lesbian marriage you will just add more costs without getting anything in return (more kids = soldiers/workers). You can't populate new planet with only homosexual habitants because the whole colony will be whipped out in 100-150 years so yeah.. its more primitive thinking than advanced like you believe.
Okay, now you're giving us something to work with. Mind explaining how allowing those who are born gay to get married will somehow increase the numbers of people who are born gay, thus threatening population growth?
So we can just ignore the thousands of straight people who choose not to have kids? I have plenty of friends who don't want to have children, myself included. People still get married and don't have children, I don't see how gay marriage will be detrimental to our Military/worker future. Humans will always have children, it's the best thing we're worst at. My stance is I'm for gay marriage, I just hate all the pigeon holing that exists in the world, we are human beings first and foremost and should be entitled to the same rights as each other, gay, straight, lesbian and bisexual shouldn't even come into the equation.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on May 27, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
So we can just ignore the thousands of straight people who choose not to have kids?
We can atm but during war times or if there's great war upcoming having a children can become mandatory making the homosexual couples unable to comply.
What nightmarish dystopia will this be? And what about couples who cannot conceive?
This is another one of those reasons that go like "Oh, it applies to everyone! But gays more"
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 12:07:40 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on May 27, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
So we can just ignore the thousands of straight people who choose not to have kids?
We can atm but during war times or if there's great war upcoming having a children can become mandatory making the homosexual couples unable to comply.
Become mandatory? How does a nation enforce coupling having children?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 27, 2014, 01:49:34 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 12:07:40 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on May 27, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
So we can just ignore the thousands of straight people who choose not to have kids?
We can atm but during war times or if there's great war upcoming having a children can become mandatory making the homosexual couples unable to comply.
Become mandatory? How does a nation enforce coupling having children?
Guns...
Gives a whole new meaning to the word, "squirt gun"...
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 12:07:40 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on May 27, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
So we can just ignore the thousands of straight people who choose not to have kids?
We can atm but during war times or if there's great war upcoming having a children can become mandatory making the homosexual couples unable to comply.
WinterActual confirmed for fascist.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 27, 2014, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 12:07:40 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on May 27, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
So we can just ignore the thousands of straight people who choose not to have kids?
We can atm but during war times or if there's great war upcoming having a children can become mandatory making the homosexual couples unable to comply.
WinterActual confirmed for fascist.
Not surprised.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 27, 2014, 01:55:14 PM
Gives a whole new meaning to the word, "squirt gun"...
:o:o:o
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 11:42:23 AM
I really hope you used the wrong word because the gay/lesbian marriage is anything but "advanced".. Its military and workforce weakness - one perfect society is supposed to have enough workers to be self sufficient and enough soldiers to be able to defend itself. With allowing gay and lesbian marriage you will just add more costs without getting anything in return (more kids = soldiers/workers).
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...how does gay people getting married add "to the costs"?
Let's just casually forget about the men who are infertile, the women who can't have babies, the heterosexual couples who don't want babies, the people who have too many babies yet can't afford them.
Because clearly what the world needs right now is more babies. ::)
But WORLD WAR 3 is incoming, Vickers. :p Everybody must do their job!
Somehow this means that people need to get married. because humans cant reproduce or form families otherwise.
:D
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So, let me get this straight... we can't let gays get married, because they won't produce kids.
WE'RE NOT PRODUCING ANY NOW, genius. The presence or lack of a ring on our fingers isn't going to alter that.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 11:42:23 AM
I really hope you used the wrong word because the gay/lesbian marriage is anything but "advanced".. Its military and workforce weakness - one perfect society is supposed to have enough workers to be self sufficient and enough soldiers to be able to defend itself. With allowing gay and lesbian marriage you will just add more costs without getting anything in return (more kids = soldiers/workers). You can't populate new planet with only homosexual habitants because the whole colony will be whipped out in 100-150 years so yeah.. its more primitive thinking than advanced like you believe.
What a bunch of nonsense... Humanity isn't a f**king bee hive, you know..?
Quote from: Cvalda on May 27, 2014, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 12:07:40 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on May 27, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
So we can just ignore the thousands of straight people who choose not to have kids?
We can atm but during war times or if there's great war upcoming having a children can become mandatory making the homosexual couples unable to comply.
WinterActual confirmed for fascist.
As long as I am not a communist I am fine.
f**king communists...
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Quote from: Eva on May 27, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 11:42:23 AM
I really hope you used the wrong word because the gay/lesbian marriage is anything but "advanced".. Its military and workforce weakness - one perfect society is supposed to have enough workers to be self sufficient and enough soldiers to be able to defend itself. With allowing gay and lesbian marriage you will just add more costs without getting anything in return (more kids = soldiers/workers). You can't populate new planet with only homosexual habitants because the whole colony will be whipped out in 100-150 years so yeah.. its more primitive thinking than advanced like you believe.
What a bunch of nonsense... Humanity isn't a f**king bee hive, you know..?
Well...
Quote from: Eva on May 27, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
What a bunch of nonsense... Humanity isn't a f**king bee hive, you know..?
It depends on the nation. North Korea is kinda like a bee hive.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 27, 2014, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 12:07:40 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on May 27, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
So we can just ignore the thousands of straight people who choose not to have kids?
We can atm but during war times or if there's great war upcoming having a children can become mandatory making the homosexual couples unable to comply.
WinterActual confirmed for fascist.
As long as I am not a communist I am fine.
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Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 27, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
What a bunch of nonsense... Humanity isn't a f**king bee hive, you know..?
It depends on the nation. North Korea is kinda like a bee hive.
Yes, a prime example of society, one to strive to emulate.
Get a regulation haircut before telling me who I can be legally bound to, then you'll actually have some credibility, because the life you lead right now is far too free.
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Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 06:23:39 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 27, 2014, 06:20:06 PM
What a bunch of nonsense... Humanity isn't a f**king bee hive, you know..?
It depends on the nation. North Korea is kinda like a bee hive.
Your posts says nothing about NK, Communism, gays or anything insightful on anything. They only tell us something about you or should I say, reaffirm what we already know about your views.
Quote from: Blacklabel on May 27, 2014, 06:22:12 PM
f**king communists...
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I know right! We've been under communist slavery after WW2 for 40 years. Just look how many concentration camps were set by the communists after 1944
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And they were active until 1990. For such a small country the number of concentration camps is HUGE! There's really a reason why the majority of people around here hate the communists. Its not just the camp but everything was restricted during their reign. You were not able to buy a car that's not russian and you had to wait 14 or 15 years to "earn" it, you were not able to buy fruits or chocolate and stuff like that freely. It was terrible. There was restriction on the music that can be played, there was strict control over the medias what is aired or written in the newspapers, you were not allowed to have long hair, short dress, dirty nails, you can get in the camp for telling a joke about the government (not propaganda speech, just a joke like Clinton walked in the bar and...). There are countless examples. So yea man.. f**cking communists..
And this makes prioritizing birth rates a good thing how?
And why having a high birth rates is a bad thing?
Are you serious?
Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 06:43:30 PM
And why having a high birth rates is a bad thing?
Are you saying it is or asking if it is?
Dude, I know what goal post changing looks like, and I'm prepared to do this all day.
Your reason for not supporting gay marriage was that homosexuals can't have kids, and that that is detrimental to a countries strength in the long run because of a lower birth rate and less workers and soldiers.
Am I correct so far? Okay, good. Now. How is marriage going to change the fact that homosexuals aren't having kids? The birth rate your so worried about is completely unaffected by marriage, so it's not a valid reason to oppose marriage.
Would you like to actually address this, or dance around some more and hope I'll give up?
Here you get various benefits for families (read this as "married people") from the banks and such (discounts, bonuses, etc). Things like that don't come because of good will you know, someone have to compensate this money.
Btw I like how every topic like this becomes a handicap match of me against 10 people teaching me moral lessons. rofl. Its hilarious! But lets keep the game going.
So heterosexual couples should be the only ones entitled to those benefits? You still haven't given a good reason for your bigotry.
I asked you to address one thing. Why restrict marriage from homosexuals to preserve birth rate when marriage has no effect on birth rate.
This is a simple question. Answer it.
This is like beating a dead, gay-hating horse.
Give him more attention, please.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 27, 2014, 07:05:57 PM
This is like beating a dead, gay-hating horse.
Yeah, sucks when someone chains the goal posts down.
I you guys really surprised? This is the guy who was shocked and surprised when his game emblem was forcefully removed because it was a Swastika.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on May 27, 2014, 07:12:03 PM
This is the guy who was shocked and surprised when his game emblem was forcefully removed because it was a Swastika.
:laugh: GASP. NO?!!
WinterActual?!!
It was a long time ago, but myself and others remember it.
Well that doesn't sound so bad... you say it was just a logo for a game. I assume it was about Nazis? I see no reason to censor that.
I believe it was the emblem editor, it which you can make pretty much anything with your imagination. He made a swastika.
You don't think that implies something?
Who cares what it implies?
Oh, so this is like an avatar in a Call of Duty? Eh, guess I can understand that. Personally, I wouldn't have censored that, but I can see how it would offend. I just don't think offending people justifies censorship. What he's saying now is highly offensive and stupid, but I'd never dream of silencing him for it.
Any way, I'd like him to actually try and address my question.
Quote from: Cal427eb on May 27, 2014, 07:10:03 PM
Give him more attention, please.
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I'm waiting Winter. Either answer the question or say you don't want to. I'm not going to accept a dodge.
They're too easy.
Quote from: Sabby on May 27, 2014, 07:24:50 PM
I'm waiting Winter. Either answer the question or say you don't want to. I'm not going to accept a dodge.
You still don't get it, do you? :laugh:
Quote from: Crazy Rich on May 27, 2014, 07:12:03 PM
I you guys really surprised? This is the guy who was shocked and surprised when his game emblem was forcefully removed because it was a Swastika.
It wasn't Swastika. It was a fictional logo from the Metro universe. It wasn't offensive in any way to anybody because its not representing something real <.<
Okay, Winter has had the question asked of him several times in no unclear wording and has consistently ignored it.
Good job legitimizing your bigotry.
Are you mentally ill?
Bigotry ain't so bad guys!
Everyone's bigoted!
Quote from: Sabby on May 27, 2014, 07:24:50 PM
I'm waiting Winter. Either answer the question or say you don't want to. I'm not going to accept a dodge.
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Quote from: WinterActual on May 27, 2014, 07:25:27 PM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on May 27, 2014, 07:12:03 PM
I you guys really surprised? This is the guy who was shocked and surprised when his game emblem was forcefully removed because it was a Swastika.
It wasn't Swastika. It was a fictional logo from the Metro universe. It wasn't offensive in any way to anybody because its not representing something real <.<
Ohhh right, the Fourth Reich.
My bad.
What I asked is not unreasonable.
Are you f**ked in the head?
Quote from: Cal427eb on May 27, 2014, 07:25:24 PM
They're too easy.
Yeah, next time I am joining in their team. Playing the Axis is too easy. I wanna see some other guy fighting for the Axis while I am in the Allies.
But the topics where all (or 99%) of the users are sharing the same opinion are not funny at all and die within 3-5 pages. So next time when there's a topic about the homosexual right to make a parade or about adopting homeless kittens Ill support the cause to see what will happens.
You're a joke. Go back to your Xbox fantasyland.
Lets all calm down guys. Looks like were all getting in a very heated debate/discussion. Lets focus on the topic of gay marriage and the freedom to marry either sex. Now debating is fine but yelling at each other and being trolls to one another is totally uncalled for especially when were talking about a very touchy subject for some people.
Quote from: First Blood on May 27, 2014, 10:23:40 PM
You're a joke. Go back to your Xbox fantasyland.
"Xbox" :laugh: try harder plz :'(
Quote from: Chronicle on May 27, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
especially when were talking about a very touchy subject for some people.
Some people need to man up then.
Quote from: Chronicle on May 27, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
Lets all calm down guys. Looks like were all getting in a very heated debate/discussion. Lets focus on the topic of gay marriage and the freedom to marry either sex. Now debating is fine but yelling at each other and being trolls to one another is totally uncalled for especially when were talking about a very touchy subject for some people.
You must be new around here. :P :laugh:
All this because one person said something different, Jesus Christ.
Guys, bigot or otherwise, someone is allowed to an opinion. If you want to disagree with it, that's fine. But if it bothers you that much, why engage the other person? The only person who looks foolish is you, coming back for more.
Had nothing to do with his opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It was just his refusal to respond to criticism of his claims that got to me. No point in pursuing it further.
What's the problem with some sex marriage anyway? What's the point of getting married without it?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 28, 2014, 11:56:04 AM
All this because one person said something different, Jesus Christ.
It was more than just 'different'.
QuoteGuys, bigot or otherwise, someone is allowed to an opinion.
No one is denying him his right to a bigoted opinion, they're simply questioning the reasons behind it and reacting to those responses. If those reasonings are absurd, ignorant or hateful enough to garner laughter, anger or further confusion, then surely others are allowed to respond as such also.
Yes, respond. But actually respond with something constructive as opposed to, "Bah, you're schtooopid". I'm not accusing you of that, but I don't want to have to lock the thread again.
I'm with Doom. Standing on the sidelines and stirring coals with reaction pictures is hardly a constructive contribution.
Quote from: coolbreeze on May 28, 2014, 06:01:24 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on May 27, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
Lets all calm down guys. Looks like were all getting in a very heated debate/discussion. Lets focus on the topic of gay marriage and the freedom to marry either sex. Now debating is fine but yelling at each other and being trolls to one another is totally uncalled for especially when were talking about a very touchy subject for some people.
You must be new around here. :P :laugh:
I am fairly new to AvP Galaxy. But I have been a forum Moderator on other forums. Like Prometheus.com and Scified.com I know what trolling is and how to spot it and I don't tolerate people hating on each other. This ain't F'in 4chan. Follow the rules of the forums guys and be F'in respectful. It aint that hard. There's really NO need to troll. Its pretty simple, if someone is trolling you simply don't respond.
Quote from: Chronicle on May 28, 2014, 05:32:26 PM
Quote from: coolbreeze on May 28, 2014, 06:01:24 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on May 27, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
Lets all calm down guys. Looks like were all getting in a very heated debate/discussion. Lets focus on the topic of gay marriage and the freedom to marry either sex. Now debating is fine but yelling at each other and being trolls to one another is totally uncalled for especially when were talking about a very touchy subject for some people.
You must be new around here. :P :laugh:
I am fairly new to AvP Galaxy. But I have been a forum Moderator on other forums. Like Prometheus.com and Scified.com I know what trolling is and how to spot it and I don't tolerate people hating on each other. This ain't F'in 4chan. Follow the rules of the forums guys and be F'in respectful. It aint that hard. There's really NO need to troll. Its pretty simple, if someone is trolling you simply don't respond.
What are the signs of a troll though?
Quote from: BANE on May 28, 2014, 05:34:13 PM
Quote from: Chronicle on May 28, 2014, 05:32:26 PM
Quote from: coolbreeze on May 28, 2014, 06:01:24 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on May 27, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
Lets all calm down guys. Looks like were all getting in a very heated debate/discussion. Lets focus on the topic of gay marriage and the freedom to marry either sex. Now debating is fine but yelling at each other and being trolls to one another is totally uncalled for especially when were talking about a very touchy subject for some people.
You must be new around here. :P :laugh:
I am fairly new to AvP Galaxy. But I have been a forum Moderator on other forums. Like Prometheus.com and Scified.com I know what trolling is and how to spot it and I don't tolerate people hating on each other. This ain't F'in 4chan. Follow the rules of the forums guys and be F'in respectful. It aint that hard. There's really NO need to troll. Its pretty simple, if someone is trolling you simply don't respond.
What are the signs of a troll though?
Colossal eyebrows.
QuoteLets all calm down guys. Looks like were all getting in a very heated debate/discussion. Lets focus on the topic of gay marriage and the freedom to marry either sex. Now debating is fine but yelling at each other and being trolls to one another is totally uncalled for especially when were talking about a very touchy subject for some people.
You must be new around here. :P :laugh:
What is trolling?
Being disrespectful to someone, being extremely sarcastic in hurtful ways, Just blowing up on everyone's opinion without giving respect to what their opinion is, Lashing out towards people and insulting them, Just acting like your some moderator or just because you've been here for a long period of time doesn't give you the right to treat other people like crap. I don't tolerate that shit. Its annoying and doesn't appeal to me at all!
Actually, what you're describing is just a c**t. Trolling is a specific kind of c**tery, usually conducting yourself in such a way to get a rise out of someone. Just being a dumbass doesn't make you a Troll, you need to have the express intention of riling someone up.
Quote from: Laufey on May 28, 2014, 05:35:31 PM
Quote from: BANE on May 28, 2014, 05:34:13 PM
Quote from: Chronicle on May 28, 2014, 05:32:26 PM
Quote from: coolbreeze on May 28, 2014, 06:01:24 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on May 27, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
Lets all calm down guys. Looks like were all getting in a very heated debate/discussion. Lets focus on the topic of gay marriage and the freedom to marry either sex. Now debating is fine but yelling at each other and being trolls to one another is totally uncalled for especially when were talking about a very touchy subject for some people.
You must be new around here. :P :laugh:
I am fairly new to AvP Galaxy. But I have been a forum Moderator on other forums. Like Prometheus.com and Scified.com I know what trolling is and how to spot it and I don't tolerate people hating on each other. This ain't F'in 4chan. Follow the rules of the forums guys and be F'in respectful. It aint that hard. There's really NO need to troll. Its pretty simple, if someone is trolling you simply don't respond.
What are the signs of a troll though?
Colossal eyebrows.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 28, 2014, 02:44:50 PM
What's the problem with some sex marriage anyway? What's the point of getting married without it?
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Quote from: Blacklabel on May 28, 2014, 07:31:28 PM
Quote from: Laufey on May 28, 2014, 05:35:31 PM
Quote from: BANE on May 28, 2014, 05:34:13 PM
Quote from: Chronicle on May 28, 2014, 05:32:26 PM
Quote from: coolbreeze on May 28, 2014, 06:01:24 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on May 27, 2014, 11:12:09 PM
Lets all calm down guys. Looks like were all getting in a very heated debate/discussion. Lets focus on the topic of gay marriage and the freedom to marry either sex. Now debating is fine but yelling at each other and being trolls to one another is totally uncalled for especially when were talking about a very touchy subject for some people.
You must be new around here. :P :laugh:
I am fairly new to AvP Galaxy. But I have been a forum Moderator on other forums. Like Prometheus.com and Scified.com I know what trolling is and how to spot it and I don't tolerate people hating on each other. This ain't F'in 4chan. Follow the rules of the forums guys and be F'in respectful. It aint that hard. There's really NO need to troll. Its pretty simple, if someone is trolling you simply don't respond.
What are the signs of a troll though?
Colossal eyebrows.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Don't they turn to stone when sunlight hits them?
So let's just sum up this thread for locking, shall we?
AvPGalaxy Consensus: No Gay Marriage.
Bon?
I think such threads must be deleted without a warning. Such threads and religious threads too.
Why?
I agree for this thread at least. There's no point in having it except for the lulz.
winteractual is not a fan of ghey butt secks
u must show him the way kimarhi
ur gay way
naw it wouldn't be fair to winteractual when it is never his turn
Quote from: Sabby on May 29, 2014, 04:37:20 AM
Why?
Because some people go apeshit over random stuff said for the lulz, thinking its srs bsnz and shit.
Yeah, cut off discussion all together because some people provide nothing of value. It would be impossible to simply discipline and remove the c**ts.
Guys, if you want to debate go right ahead. If others want to come in here and simply offer vitriol and nothing constructive, they shall be dealt with accordingly.
Quote from: Sabby on May 29, 2014, 02:16:56 PM
Yeah, cut off discussion all together because some people provide nothing of value. It would be impossible to simply discipline and remove the c**ts.
Threads like this can't go without people telling jokes or "placing traps" you know. Btw for the record, even this thread proved theGodwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) :laugh:
"We should lock all these threads"
"No, that's dumb, and here's why"
"Yep, such a bother these threads are"
Dude, if you're going to keep contributing to heavy topics like these, you need to acknowledge peoples responses to you and learn to give ground, especially if you'd like to presume to judge the usefulness of peoples posting. Treating peoples insistence that you respond to them fairly as an unjustified dog pile is really quite childish.
You think the topics are heavy but in reality they are all the same.
Yeah, simplify the world to match your infantile outlook, it doesn't bother me so long as you either keep it to yourself or actually engage others fairly. So far, you're doing one of those things.
I mean, you're an adult having how give and take in a conversation works explained to you by someone with Autism. That's pretty astounding.
Quote from: Sabby on May 29, 2014, 03:20:53 PM
I mean, you're an adult having how give and take in a conversation works explained to you by someone with Autism. That's pretty astounding.
Explaining how something works is not the same as putting it to practice with ease. ;)
Quote from: Sabby on May 29, 2014, 02:27:29 PM
"We should lock all these threads"
"No, that's dumb, and here's why"
"Yep, such a bother these threads are"
Dude, if you're going to keep contributing to heavy topics like these, you need to acknowledge peoples responses to you and learn to give ground, especially if you'd like to presume to judge the usefulness of peoples posting. Treating peoples insistence that you respond to them fairly as an unjustified dog pile is really quite childish.
Burn.
It's upsetting how many bigots there are here :(
Ok, I've glanced around this thread and I think I'll just focus on the first post.
Quote from: Chronicle on May 10, 2014, 05:06:49 PM
I happen to be gay and I was wandering if anyone else believes its ok if a man and a man or a woman and a woman get married to each other. Do you believe in gay rights and the freedom of gay marriage?
I'll be honest, I'm a Christian and I consider homosexual activity to be a sin against God and one's own body-so obviously I won't say it's ok, I believe marriage is for a man and woman. As for how these things should be handled politically, I think a libertarian solution is in order, consenting adults form whatever unions they see fit and the government doesn't give any special benefits/penalties at all. Everyone has the freedom to follow their conscience in the matter, let God sort out the rest.
Quote from: John38 on May 29, 2014, 04:31:21 PM
I'll be honest, I'm a Christian and I consider homosexual activity to be a sin against God and one's own body
I would like you to elaborate on is how homosexuality is a 'sin against your own body'. Do you know where sexual urges come from? You're basically saying "You're body is telling you to do X, but doing X is against your body"
That doesn't make sense.
QuoteI believe marriage is for a man and woman.
And why do you believe that? There are plenty of other forms of marriage condoned by your own Bible, like Polygamy.
Homosexuality is natural. How can that be sinful?
Lol guys, you are worse than cops :laugh: You are more like special interrogation unit :laugh:
In Canada, we call that the SIU, lol.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 29, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
Homosexuality is natural. How can that be sinful?
It is a pain in the ass, that's all I can clearly say.
ROFL ROFL :laugh:
Quote from: Gate on May 29, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 29, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
Homosexuality is natural. How can that be sinful?
It is a pain in the ass, that's all I can clearly say.
Trust me, you're doing it wrong.
Quote from: Sabby on May 29, 2014, 07:57:52 PM
Quote from: Gate on May 29, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 29, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
Homosexuality is natural. How can that be sinful?
It is a pain in the ass, that's all I can clearly say.
Trust me, you're doing it wrong.
Not all gays have lube on tap like you, Sabby.
And spit only goes so far.
Seriously people can't spit very far.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 29, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
Homosexuality is natural. How can that be sinful?
lol Doom pls
Quote from: Gate on May 29, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 29, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
Homosexuality is natural. How can that be sinful?
It is a pain in the ass, that's all I can clearly say.
Lol, OK, that was a good one :D
Quote from: BANE on May 29, 2014, 08:00:00 PM
Quote from: Sabby on May 29, 2014, 07:57:52 PM
Quote from: Gate on May 29, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 29, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
Homosexuality is natural. How can that be sinful?
It is a pain in the ass, that's all I can clearly say.
Trust me, you're doing it wrong.
Not all gays have lube on tap like you, Sabby.
And spit only goes so far.
Seriously people can't spit very far.
They can take some grease from the fryer.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 29, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
Homosexuality is natural. How can that be sinful?
Good point.
Quote from: Sabby on May 29, 2014, 04:42:24 PM
Quote from: John38 on May 29, 2014, 04:31:21 PM
I'll be honest, I'm a Christian and I consider homosexual activity to be a sin against God and one's own body
I would like you to elaborate on is how homosexuality is a 'sin against your own body'. Do you know where sexual urges come from? You're basically saying "You're body is telling you to do X, but doing X is against your body"
That doesn't make sense.Quote
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 29, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
Homosexuality is natural. How can that be sinful?
Same sex activity runs against what humans were designed for, male/female relationships, families, children. Now obviously not all hetro couples decide to have children but the possibility is there if they wished. Same sex unions cannot accomplish that, evolutionary development (which I have no issue with) is predicated on reproductive success-same sex activity is a dead end in that sense. When I see same sex couples having children without the aid of technology then I'll say it's natural.
QuoteI believe marriage is for a man and woman.
And why do you believe that? There are plenty of other forms of marriage condoned by your own Bible, like Polygamy.
Polygamy was tolerated in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant relationship of God with Israel, but when you look at the whole book and the NT, It's clear that one man/one woman was God's plan from the beginning.
If you don't think homosexuality is natural, you might want to read this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals)
Lol
John, masturbation carries no chance of producing offspring. Is that a 'sin' against your body?
Eating sherbert provides no nutritional value, and thus does not increase your chances of surviving to produce off spring. Is that also a sin against your body?
You define any behavior that doesn't coincide with our evolutionary path as unnatural and thus sinful, but this is incredibly small minded and defeatist, in my opinion. Ya know what's so great about humanity? We can say f**k the natural order and change the rules. We do plenty of shit every day that meets your definition of unnatural, or 'sinful', and I have to say, so bloody what. Sin is a small minded term for a small minded people from a less advanced time, a blanketing boogeyman of a word made to scare us away from anything different or challenging.
f**k your sin, I'm a human with a highly developed brain capable of moral complexity and deep thought, the concept of sin belongs in it about as much as a babies building block belongs in an engineers tool kit.
As for what the Bible says about marriage, please provide where it is made so clear that single man and woman unions are the only way God wants for us.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2014, 01:50:48 PM
If you don't think homosexuality is natural, you might want to read this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals)
QuoteDutch primatologist Frans de Waal on observing and filming bonobos noted that there were two reasons to believe sexual activity is the bonobo's answer to avoiding conflict. Anything that arouses the interest of more than one bonobo at a time, not just food, tends to result in sexual contact. If two bonobos approach a cardboard box thrown into their enclosure, they will briefly mount each other before playing with the box. Such situations lead to squabbles in most other species. But bonobos are quite tolerant, perhaps because they use sex to divert attention and to defuse tension.
QuoteIf two bonobos approach a cardboard box thrown into their enclosure, they will briefly mount each other before playing with the box.
:laugh:
Quote from: Sabby on May 30, 2014, 02:19:49 PM
Ya know what's so great about humanity? We can say f**k the natural order and change the rules.
No.
Quote from: Sabby on May 30, 2014, 02:19:49 PM
f**k your sin, I'm a human with a highly developed brain capable of moral complexity and deep thought, the concept of sin belongs in it about as much as a babies building block belongs in an engineers tool kit.
Haha pretty cocky too.
Quote from: BANE on May 30, 2014, 02:35:36 PM
Quote from: Sabby on May 30, 2014, 02:19:49 PM
Ya know what's so great about humanity? We can say f**k the natural order and change the rules.
No.
Quote from: Sabby on May 30, 2014, 02:19:49 PM
f**k your sin, I'm a human with a highly developed brain capable of moral complexity and deep thought, the concept of sin belongs in it about as much as a babies building block belongs in an engineers tool kit.
Haha pretty cocky too.
My pain in the ass joke wasn't enough, now you had to go and make a dick joke
I am neutral on the subject of same sex marriage. It's just not an issue I feel strongly about.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2014, 01:50:48 PM
If you don't think homosexuality is natural, you might want to read this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals)
I think gays are free do whatever they want with each other. But if homosexuality can be considered natural since animals do it , so can necrophilia, rape, cannibalism, pedophilia. Since of course animals also do it. I even got on an argument online with pedos that said I was being a hypocrite by saying gays were natural and pedos were freaks.
Pedophilia is natural?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2014, 03:55:09 PM
Pedophilia is natural?
animals do it... so if any animal behavior can be considered natural, then it is, also incest is done by them often.
I can't believe I have to point this out but the difference there is, a homosexual lifestyle between consenting adults hurts no one.
Pedophilia, rape, incest, etc is harmful to others.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 30, 2014, 04:15:12 PM
I can't believe I have to point this out but the difference there is, a homosexual lifestyle between consenting adults hurts no one.
Pedophilia, rape, incest, etc is harmful to others.
Wot e said.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 30, 2014, 04:15:12 PM
I can't believe I have to point this out but the difference there is, a homosexual lifestyle between consenting adults hurts no one.
Pedophilia, rape, incest, etc is harmful to others.
But, you see, when people are so intent on believing "Homosexuality is wrong!!11!" they don't think logically and they start to make insane comparisons.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 30, 2014, 04:15:12 PM
I can't believe I have to point this out but the difference there is, a homosexual lifestyle between consenting adults hurts no one.
Pedophilia, rape, incest, etc is harmful to others.
Well, not necessarily incest...
I have to disagree that incest is harmful. That can be consensual. It's breeding that can cause harm to others, and a responsible incestuous couple would take steps not to have children.
Quote from: BANE on May 30, 2014, 04:43:38 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 30, 2014, 04:15:12 PM
I can't believe I have to point this out but the difference there is, a homosexual lifestyle between consenting adults hurts no one.
Pedophilia, rape, incest, etc is harmful to others.
Well, not necessarily incest...
If there's a baby involved, the chances of deformities are higher. But yes, between two consenting adults with no pregnancy in the equation it's not harmful.
So what you're saying is, gay incest is awesome? :3
Regardless of sexual orientation, incest between two consenting adults is fine. If there's consensual incest between a man and woman and they're not conceiving a child, then let them be.
Personally, it's not something that appeals to me. But I might feel differently if Matt Bomer was my brother. :laugh:
How anyone can feel differently in this day and age is beyond me.
About incest, I mean, not this Matt fellow. I'm sure he's lovely though.
Quote from: Sabby on May 30, 2014, 04:56:32 PM
How anyone can feel differently in this day and age is beyond me.
Is it?
Is it
really?
Come on.
Actually, you're right, I can totally understand how people still confuse their comfort zone for a system of morality.
Some people seem to prefer living in their little bubbles.
Quote from: Sabby on May 30, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
Actually, you're right, I can totally understand how people still confuse their comfort zone for a system of morality.
We're talking about incest, right?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 29, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
Homosexuality is natural. How can that be sinful?
I don't know if its natural but in my country being homosexual is treated as mental disorder. Which led to funny discussions after some politicians suggested to outlaw it so if you are homosexual you will spend from 5 up to 15 years in prison but people were confused if it should be a prison or asylum lol. Politics... funny shit man.
It is natural. Some places just haven't progressed - and not just with regards to legalising homosexuality and same sex marriages.
How/when they proved it? I am not following these "trends" so I am eager to know what tests they did to prove its natural.
It happens in nature. It's that obvious.
Also, where do you live?
Quote from: WinterActual on May 30, 2014, 06:24:26 PM
How/when they proved it? I am not following these "trends" so I am eager to know what tests they did to prove its natural.
So you've been ignoring science for many years then?
Saying something not natural you're by default saying it's man-made.
Computers are man-made. Skyscrapers are man-made. Helicopters are man-made. Sexual orientation is not man-made.
Quote from: WinterActual on May 30, 2014, 06:24:26 PM
How/when they proved it? I am not following these "trends" so I am eager to know what tests they did to prove its natural.
It's a sexual orientation. It doesnt impact intelligence, body or psychological health... there's nothing "bad" about it.
the only thing it truly harms is the pathetic prudeness of people with primitive, evil beliefs.
Quote from: Vickers on May 30, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 30, 2014, 06:24:26 PM
How/when they proved it? I am not following these "trends" so I am eager to know what tests they did to prove its natural.
So you've been ignoring science for many years then?
No, I just don't care about the "sexual science" <.<
Quote from: Cal427eb on May 30, 2014, 09:34:01 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2014, 03:55:09 PM
Pedophilia is natural?
Yes.
"Sexuality is the strongest force in human beings. To be born with a forbidden sexuality must be agonizing. The pedophile who manages to get through life with the shame of his desire, while never acting on it, deserves a bloody medal." :P
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F37.media.tumblr.com%2F54e03b4e7f65871ab39a398f693cb315%2Ftumblr_n38g3e7l8d1qguputo1_500.gif&hash=5783ea5c10091d92b6b014a81c398ac964e393c1)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2014, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: Cal427eb on May 30, 2014, 09:34:01 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2014, 03:55:09 PM
Pedophilia is natural?
Yes.
"Sexuality is the strongest force in human beings. " :P
Except the strong nuclear force that holds all our atoms together.
But sexuality's a close 50th.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2014, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: Cal427eb on May 30, 2014, 09:34:01 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2014, 03:55:09 PM
Pedophilia is natural?
Yes.
"Sexuality is the strongest force in human beings. To be born with a forbidden sexuality must be agonizing. The pedophile who manages to get through life with the shame of his desire, while never acting on it, deserves a bloody medal." :P
Great scene.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 30, 2014, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: Cal427eb on May 30, 2014, 09:34:01 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2014, 03:55:09 PM
Pedophilia is natural?
Yes.
"Sexuality is the strongest force in human beings. To be born with a forbidden sexuality must be agonizing. The pedophile who manages to get through life with the shame of his desire, while never acting on it, deserves a bloody medal." :P
Like he should feel ashamed of that? Its his sexual preference after all ::)
Winter, this has been explained to you multiple times before.
Homosexuality and pedophilia, despite both being biological attractions to something, aren't as comparable as you continue to assert. A homosexual desire is like any other sexual desire among adults, it can be a good thing or a bad thing. The potenial is there for anything between a happy relationship to outright rape. A desire for a very young child, however, doesn't have that. There's only really one outcome, mostly.
There are very, very rare cases where a pedophilic relationship is consensual and non harmful, but these usually happen closer to the age of consent. A sexual desire for a very young person is pretty much always going to be a shitty situation.
It's not comparable to homosexual desire, so please stop comparing the two. It's incredibly offensive.
:laugh:
Offensive? ::)
The f**king conversations that go on in this thread...
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Quote from: Cal427eb on May 31, 2014, 05:15:04 AM
:laugh:
Offensive? ::)
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Quote from: Sabby on May 31, 2014, 05:07:59 AM
There are very, very rare cases where a pedophilic relationship is consensual and non harmful, but these usually happen closer to the age of consent.
Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to prepubescent children, so a victim of pedophilia cannot, by definition, be near the age of consent. Under-age sex and pedophilia are often conflated, but they are not the same thing.
Ah, yeah, poor choice of words on my part then. I believe I was referring to Ephebophilia in those rare cases, not pedophilia. Still, my point stands. Homosexuality and pedophilia are not comparable. One has the potential for positive and negative relationships, the other is just flat out harmful. The fact they are both biological urges is completely irrelevant.
S'cool, and I didn't want to step on your point. Just wanted to make sure we kept the pedo stuff in the "No do!" basket where it belongs. :)
Quote from: WinterActual on May 31, 2014, 07:49:24 AM
Quote from: Cal427eb on May 31, 2014, 05:15:04 AM
:laugh:
Offensive? ::)
http://media3.giphy.com/media/IxJMT1ugyBMdy/giphy.gif
^WinterActual probably not realizing that Zachary Quinto is gay
I really hope that's true.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 31, 2014, 02:41:51 PM
Quote from: WinterActual on May 31, 2014, 07:49:24 AM
Quote from: Cal427eb on May 31, 2014, 05:15:04 AM
:laugh:
Offensive? ::)
http://media3.giphy.com/media/IxJMT1ugyBMdy/giphy.gif
^WinterActual probably not realizing that Zachary Quinto is gay
So what if he's gay? That's not my problem.
But how will he contribute to the birth rate in a time of war? I mean, what if he gets married?! Then he will be having no children even harder!
lol damn what's going on in here
Quote from: Aspie on May 31, 2014, 03:04:17 PM
lol damn what's going on in here
My sentiments exactly.
This is the Who is your favourite hot man?/Who are you gay for? thread, right?
Quote from: Cal427eb on May 31, 2014, 05:15:04 AM
:laugh:
Offensive? ::)
I can see how you wouldn't find it offensive being heterosexual. :P
That's not it. Nothing WinterActual can say could offend me because he's just trying to f**k with you guys.
Sadly, I think he's being serious. But I hope you're right.
He's already said it indirectly multiple times. These threads get boring with everybody just saying the same thing and then the thread dies, so he's just keeping it alive by saying shit for the lulz.
Quote from: Sabby on May 31, 2014, 03:00:18 PM
But how will he contribute to the birth rate in a time of war? I mean, what if he gets married?! Then he will be having no children even harder!
Seriously? Trying to use my own methods against me? That's not going to work :'(
Ok, yeah, I see what you mean, Cal. :P
Quote from: Sabby on May 31, 2014, 01:57:35 PM
One has the potential for positive and negative relationships, the other is just flat out harmful.
Whaaaa...?
What about all the candy and ice cream and toy trucks the kids get? ???
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8207422720/h4C184EB3/)
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Ignore the typical Facebook bait at the end ("Please repost if..." "Only 1% will share this..." etc.)
Quote from: SiL on Jun 03, 2014, 10:33:40 PM
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8207422720/h4C184EB3/
:D :D :D
Louis CK sums it up perfectly I think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb-JZSyhWSc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb-JZSyhWSc)
Louis CK is the best. Just went to go see him at the Fox Theatre in Saint Louie