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Title: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: mikkoras on Aug 21, 2012, 11:54:51 AM
Hello.

Newbie here.

I recently bought the book "H. R. Giger's Film Design" (http://www.amazon.com/H-R-Gigers-Film-Design/dp/1883398061 (http://www.amazon.com/H-R-Gigers-Film-Design/dp/1883398061)).

Anyone know how does it compare to this one:
"Giger's Alien" (http://www.amazon.com/Gigers-Alien-H-R-Giger/dp/1883398088 (http://www.amazon.com/Gigers-Alien-H-R-Giger/dp/1883398088))

Mainly I would like to know if there is duplicate content and if there is, how much.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: SiL on Aug 21, 2012, 10:23:20 PM
Most of the stuff in Film Design is in Giger's Alien, but there are a few images -- like an early mockup chest burster, as far as I could tell -- that aren't in Giger's Alien.
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: mikkoras on Aug 22, 2012, 06:28:20 AM
Thanks for the info, but could you answer the same question in reverse.

As in, how much extra stuff is there in "Giger's Alien" compared to "Film Design"? Is it worth buying "Giger's Alien" if one already owns "Film Design", "Book Of Alien" and "Alien Vault".
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: SiL on Aug 22, 2012, 11:21:44 AM
I'm not sure about Alien Vault, as I haven't read it, but I'd say yes. I'm certain all of the images have, at some stage, made it into the DVD, blu-ray, and endless other "making-of" publications, but it also has Giger's commentary on the project from his first discussions with O'Bannon, right up until the finished picture. If you're interested in Giger's involvement in the production it's a fairly invaluable resource just for the insight he gives into what went on.
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: SM on Aug 22, 2012, 11:56:53 PM
If I was going to buy books now, knowing about the content, I think the only one I'd get would be Giger's Alien.  All the stuff in Book Of Alien and Alien Vault has been exhaustively discusssed on LD, DVD and BR releases.  I've not read Giger's Alien, but bits I've heard about indicate it contains some tidbits that haven't popped up elsewhere.
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: LarsVader on Aug 23, 2012, 12:26:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 22, 2012, 11:56:53 PM
If I was going to buy books now, knowing about the content, I think the only one I'd get would be Giger's Alien.  All the stuff in Book Of Alien and Alien Vault has been exhaustively discusssed on LD, DVD and BR releases.  I've not read Giger's Alien, but bits I've heard about indicate it contains some tidbits that haven't popped up elsewhere.
It's basically his personal production diary.
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: SiL on Aug 23, 2012, 01:08:25 AM
It's one of the few resources I've found which actually mentions that they filmed his mural showing the lifecycle of the Alien inside the derelict ship, for one thing.
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 23, 2012, 02:47:05 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2012, 01:08:25 AM
It's one of the few resources I've found which actually mentions that they filmed his mural showing the lifecycle of the Alien inside the derelict ship, for one thing.

That was filmed? :o Now that's footage that I would love to see.

Are there any pics of that prop online, by any chance?
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: SiL on Aug 23, 2012, 08:11:40 AM
Never been able to find any. Giger's Alien doesn't even have images, just the same picture of the mural that every other source has.
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 23, 2012, 03:22:01 PM
Its this mural, right?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.museumsyndicate.com%2Fimages%2F3%2F20287.jpg&hash=05d5ea25eb79247486eb744298af2a49bdb316f0)

Man, I would love to see so pictures...  :-\
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Sep 30, 2012, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 23, 2012, 02:47:05 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2012, 01:08:25 AM
It's one of the few resources I've found which actually mentions that they filmed his mural showing the lifecycle of the Alien inside the derelict ship, for one thing.

That was filmed? :o Now that's footage that I would love to see.


A test shot was made at least. It looks to me as if they would have included Giger's painting as it was, in the movie
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: LarsVader on Oct 01, 2012, 05:58:56 AM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Sep 30, 2012, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 23, 2012, 02:47:05 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 23, 2012, 01:08:25 AM
It's one of the few resources I've found which actually mentions that they filmed his mural showing the lifecycle of the Alien inside the derelict ship, for one thing.

That was filmed? :o Now that's footage that I would love to see.


A test shot was made at least. It looks to me as if they would have included Giger's painting as it was, in the movie
This?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAJAebEWeCc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAJAebEWeCc#ws)
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: SiL on Oct 01, 2012, 06:05:10 AM
How in the heck did I miss that the dozen times I watched it?
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: Blacklabel on Oct 01, 2012, 06:13:18 AM
..whoaaaaaaaaaaaa..... :P
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: SM on Oct 01, 2012, 06:18:35 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 01, 2012, 06:05:10 AM
How in the heck did I miss that the dozen times I watched it?

I don't think I DID miss that the dozen times I watched it.  Surely something like that would've stood out?  I be perplexed.
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: LarsVader on Oct 01, 2012, 03:40:02 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 01, 2012, 06:18:35 AM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 01, 2012, 06:05:10 AM
How in the heck did I miss that the dozen times I watched it?

I don't think I DID miss that the dozen times I watched it.  Surely something like that would've stood out?  I be perplexed.
I just found it on youtube, I have not seen it before either.
Since I just own the Quadrilogy and the youtube video is in 1080p I guess it must be from the Anthology blu ray set?
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Oct 01, 2012, 03:45:44 PM
Quote from: LarsVader on Oct 01, 2012, 03:40:02 PM
I just found it on youtube, I have not seen it before either.
Since I just own the Quadrilogy and the youtube video is in 1080p I guess it must be from the Anthology blu ray set?

It's on one of the Enhancement Pods in the Anthology set.  Here's an excerpt about that mock-up footage featured in the clip:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg32%2F9688%2F49644302.jpg&hash=cfbb674c38747ad91830d460da5404d8b31e2366)

Taken from Giger's Alien.

In the Alien Enhancement Pods you'll also find an extra shot/close-up of the Alien crab walking towards Lambert.  Close-up of the Alien raising his head during the Brett scene and if memory serves some very quick snippets of Lambert wakening from cryo.
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: LarsVader on Oct 01, 2012, 05:59:01 PM
I'd never have thought to see this stuff, cool.
And I'd know a perfect place for that shot in one of those ALIEN/Prometheus mash-up trailers.  :D
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Oct 01, 2012, 10:27:26 PM
It would be nice if it was the actual test footage, it could be
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: SM on Oct 01, 2012, 10:51:47 PM
QuoteIt's on one of the Enhancement Pods in the Anthology set.

I suspected it might be.  Which means I've only watched it once years ago.

And need to watch them again.
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Oct 02, 2012, 11:13:19 AM
I just asked Charles De Lauzirika on Facebook : Charles, I've got a question about the Alien Anthology boxset. In the Enhancement Pods section where Dan O'Bannon is talking about "Conceiving the Alien Lifecycle", there's a piece of footage showing a torch light moving around Giger's Alien Lifecycle painting. Is that the actual test footage from the Alien production which Giger briefly mentioned it in his Giger's Alien book?"

His reply was: "Pretty sure it is, yes."
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: LarsVader on Oct 02, 2012, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Oct 02, 2012, 11:13:19 AM
I just asked Charles De Lauzirika on Facebook : Charles, I've got a question about the Alien Anthology boxset. In the Enhancement Pods section where Dan O'Bannon is talking about "Conceiving the Alien Lifecycle", there's a piece of footage showing a torch light moving around Giger's Alien Lifecycle painting. Is that the actual test footage from the Alien production which Giger briefly mentioned it in his Giger's Alien book?"

His reply was: "Pretty sure it is, yes."
Cool!
Another case of ALIEN-archeology solved.  :)
Title: Re: "Giger's Alien" and "H. R. Giger's Film Design" book info needed
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Oct 03, 2012, 10:11:32 PM
Nice find. I haven't seen this before. Shame it just looks like a poster but still nice to know it got as far as test shots.