The main question in Prometheus is, why after creating us do the engineers want to destroy us?
My theory is that we were never meant to be created in the first place!!!
What if the sacrafise engineer was part of a group of engineers that dabbled where they were not meant to and ended up creating life on earth and developing it. The engineers in the cave paintings could be engineers part of this group, a group that wanted to created a new world. MAybe they were sick of their home planet.
Then the engineer leaders back in the home planet discover these experiments and decide to sent a ship to wipe out earth. However, their mission gets sabotaged by some supporters of the earth engineers who release the weapon on them. The only survivor is the last engineer who goes into hiding.
Cool theory..I like it :)
Quote from: Kev Loaf on Jun 01, 2012, 10:14:30 AM
The main question in Prometheus is, why after creating us do the engineers want to destroy us?
My theory is that we were never meant to be created in the first place!!!
What if the sacrafise engineer was part of a group of engineers that dabbled where they were not meant to and ended up creating life on earth and developing it. The engineers in the cave paintings could be engineers part of this group, a group that wanted to created a new world. MAybe they were sick of their home planet.
Then the engineer leaders back in the home planet discover these experiments and decide to sent a ship to wipe out earth. However, their mission gets sabotaged by some supporters of the earth engineers who release the weapon on them. The only survivor is the last engineer who goes into hiding.
You know, it is very strange because i was thinking of something similar the previous night.
I find it curious that a species who has been life engineers for so long (and we are talking dozen if not hundred of millions of years), is simply unable to correctly deal with some biotech weapon.
I mean it should not be that difficult to control a xenomorph or another biotech infestation for such an advanced race.
I personnaly have a hard time to consider xenomorphs as a massive desruction weapon as they would have a hard time to spread that easily once the infestation is discovered. One of the two only things i like about AVP:Requiem is the way the army stop once and for all the xenomorph spreading. It was efficient and decisive.
So, we should wonder if it was really an accident 2000 years ago or if some engineers, agaisnt the extermination of human race, willingly infect themselves and/or others to stop the attack.
We can go even further, perhaps LV-223 was the hq of a rogue group of engineers who decided to seed life on earth, never thought that a sentient species would rise on this planet and decided to wipe out humans before the engineers leader/ruling caste find out and punished them. Then a conflict eructed between the members of this rogue group and some used a biotech weapon to wipe out the others but it result in the extermination of the whole group besides one.
Maybe in the beggining they didnt want to destroy us. Maybe the whole reason for creating us was the need to develop perfect organism - the alien. maybe the plan was to simply bring urns to the earth so we get infected , reproduce creating giant facehuggers that lead to creating xenos. Maybe we were created as a stepping stone to something far greater .
considering they knew how the xeno would look like means they encountered us before in some way.
Quote from: Bigticket on Jun 01, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
Maybe in the beggining they didnt want to destroy us. Maybe the whole reason for creating us was the need to develop perfect organism - the alien. maybe the plan was to simply bring urns to the earth so we get infected , reproduce creating giant facehuggers that lead to creating xenos. Maybe we were created as a stepping stone to something far greater .
considering they knew how the xeno would look like means they encountered us before in some way.
created humans to serve as "incubators" for the true superior creature that wanted to develop....I like it!
They had the urns already to be transferred and then something went wrong.
I have to say that it stetches (and breaks completely) all credibility that these engineers created life on Earth, somewhere from 3 - 4 billion years ago, and kept fiddling to produce humans a mere 100,000 years ago but then stopped all contact 2000 years ago and now want to wipe the slate clean.
I could just about buy the idea that they only arrived on the scene and engineered intelligent humans some tens of thousands of years ago, but why make us smart if we're only incubators?
The most logical construction I can think of is that this race of engineers set up a military base on LV-223 to develop their death weapon and chose the nearest habitable sun with a life bearing planet (us, barely 40 light years away) to do the tests. But why then leave cave paintings showing the location of their base?
I think none of this makes sense.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on Jun 01, 2012, 03:36:36 PM
Quote from: Bigticket on Jun 01, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
Maybe in the beggining they didnt want to destroy us. Maybe the whole reason for creating us was the need to develop perfect organism - the alien. maybe the plan was to simply bring urns to the earth so we get infected , reproduce creating giant facehuggers that lead to creating xenos. Maybe we were created as a stepping stone to something far greater .
considering they knew how the xeno would look like means they encountered us before in some way.
created humans to serve as "incubators" for the true superior creature that wanted to develop....I like it!
They had the urns already to be transferred and then something went wrong.
yep. now thinkin 'bout it the whole xeno mural doesnt need to mean they created it before. They are engineers , maybe thats the design before the creation. i mean, i study architecture, im going to be engineer myself, we do make models of the building before the building is made.
After they woke the sleeping engineer, how long before he started taking people out? Was there something that seemingly triggered the engineer to start killing besides waking him up?
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 03:45:02 PM
I have to say that it stetches (and breaks completely) all credibility that these engineers created life on Earth, somewhere from 3 - 4 billion years ago, and kept fiddling to produce humans a mere 100,000 years ago but then stopped all contact 2000 years ago and now want to wipe the slate clean.
I could just about buy the idea that they only arrived on the scene and engineered intelligent humans some tens of thousands of years ago, but why make us smart if we're only incubators?
The most logical construction I can think of is that this race of engineers set up a military base on LV-223 to develop their death weapon and chose the nearest habitable sun with a life bearing planet (us, barely 40 light years away) to do the tests. But why then leave cave paintings showing the location of their base?
I think none of this makes sense.
I agree, Lindelcock the hack has written a shit script. There is no doubting it. Those that say he left these "questions" on purpose to challenge us are just clutching at straws. I bet he has no answers to the questions he left. He has previous. The man is a hack.
Its just fun filling in the plot holes.
I like the idea of us being created by some rogue engineers and then when the other found out they sent a ship to destroy us but they were sabotaged.
Quote from: Predaker on Jun 01, 2012, 03:46:05 PM
After they woke the sleeping engineer, how long before he started taking people out? Was there something that seemingly triggered the engineer to start killing besides waking him up?
Spoiler
David woke him up, and then the humans were arguing about what questions to ask him. Shaw was insisting they ask where he was from and why they wanted to destroy us. Weyland was trying to shut her up and get David to ask other stuff.
David speaks to it in its own language (how he know this I don't know since he only had pictograms to work from).
The engineers touches his head, and I presume realises he's a robot, then lifts him up and rips his head off.
It's all over in a minute, and the engineer's response does not seem to make any sense to me.
Quote from: Predaker on Jun 01, 2012, 03:46:05 PM
After they woke the sleeping engineer, how long before he started taking people out? Was there something that seemingly triggered the engineer to start killing besides waking him up?
Spoiler
He touches David and then freaks out. No explanation is given why.
- maybe he considered David a "disgrace" since he was not true human. He felt the humans had no right to create such artificial beings. Your guess is good as mine. Lindlecock does not even know himself i bet.
So in other words, we are being trolled by the makers of this movie? :laugh:
They should make a prequel to the Prometheus...
it will be a new trend in cinema, goin backwards instead of forward.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on Jun 01, 2012, 03:48:15 PM
Quote from: ucdom on Jun 01, 2012, 03:45:02 PM
I have to say that it stetches (and breaks completely) all credibility that these engineers created life on Earth, somewhere from 3 - 4 billion years ago, and kept fiddling to produce humans a mere 100,000 years ago but then stopped all contact 2000 years ago and now want to wipe the slate clean.
I could just about buy the idea that they only arrived on the scene and engineered intelligent humans some tens of thousands of years ago, but why make us smart if we're only incubators?
The most logical construction I can think of is that this race of engineers set up a military base on LV-223 to develop their death weapon and chose the nearest habitable sun with a life bearing planet (us, barely 40 light years away) to do the tests. But why then leave cave paintings showing the location of their base?
I think none of this makes sense.
I agree, Lindelcock the hack has written a shit script. There is no doubting it. Those that say he left these "questions" on purpose to challenge us are just clutching at straws. I bet he has no answers to the questions he left. He has previous. The man is a hack.
Its just fun filling in the plot holes.
I like the idea of us being created by some rogue engineers and then when the other found out they sent a ship to destroy us but they were sabotaged.
I'm sorry to say it but I agree. I've been disappointed with Lindelof's writing before, but there's always this sense that he deserves another chance - maybe just for once he'll pull it off. But no.
It's difficult to apportion blame now, because I don't think we know what Spaiht's script looked like. I'd want to compare drafts before saying any more.
But any thought that the next Star Trek will be decent just went out the window.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on Jun 01, 2012, 03:50:19 PM
Quote from: Predaker on Jun 01, 2012, 03:46:05 PM
After they woke the sleeping engineer, how long before he started taking people out? Was there something that seemingly triggered the engineer to start killing besides waking him up?
Spoiler
He touches David and then freaks out. No explanation is given why.
- maybe he considered David a "disgrace" since he was not true human. He felt the humans had no right to create such artificial beings. Your guess is good as mine. Lindlecock does not even know himself i bet.
Wait. Hold On the presses. This
(Engineer's) god's first contact with the human race is his realization that humans are now gods in their own right... because we now have the power of creation (the david android)... In classic mythology prometheus was chained to a rock for daring to defy the gods... i guess the engineer saw the creation of david as a threat to his own godhood. David was our "sin", so to speak. ???
David is symbolic of the fire stolen from the Gods? Hmm.
What if we were not meant to exist on Earth in the first place, and the only reason we do is because of this sacrifice engineer who was from some other cult who wanted to find out where they came from? In the course of time they discover their true origin, that they were once humans who would develop into engineers, so now we know what we are destined to become and why they would help us. When the Elders find out what this cult has done they are very angry and begin creating a bio-weapon to remove all traces on Earth, and the reason is simple. They dont want the process to repeat itself again because it could threaten their own existance, but before they can unleash this weapon upon us it gets loose and turns on them. Further to this, I have a theory this cult didnt just create life on Earth, but they made this sacrifice to discover their origins in 5 other places to, hence the star map, and we evertually find out we are the last link the cult created and so the last to be eliminated by the Elders.
What about the star map? I heard somewhere that the map which points to 6 stars, of which 5 disappeared leaving only "our" sun. Was it actually pointing to us all along and only dumb human guessing lead them to where they ended up? Also do the jockey's destroy or totally use up solar systems? Hence for the disappearance of 5 stars.
oh and 2000 years ago huh? So Jesus was a Space Jockey? :o
Maybe the sacrifice engineer has a peter weyland complex and thought becoming an entire world would be a better form of immortality.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 01, 2012, 04:19:01 PM
What about the star map? I heard somewhere that the map which points to 6 stars, of which 5 disappeared leaving only "our" sun. Was it actually pointing to us all along and only dumb human guessing lead them to where they ended up? Also do the jockey's destroy or totally use up solar systems? Hence for the disappearance of 5 stars.
oh and 2000 years ago huh? So Jesus was a Space Jockey? :o
Maybe the sacrifice engineer has a peter weyland complex and thought becoming an entire world would be a better form of immortality.
When David activates the hologram he sees the 6 stars that make up the star map, 5 of them eventually disappear then he sees Earth and our solar system. I believe this means the star map is a course for elimination and we are the last to go. The only thing that isn't explained is how the pictograms helped Weyland find this waystation, I can only assume LV-223's sun was part of the star map and the planets inhabitants were destroyed, meaning at some point the engineers would come to Earth to do the same thing....perhaps anyway.
Correct me if I'm wrong but its not actually confirmed that the SJ want to destroy humans. Yes they were planning on taking the urns to earth BUT its an assumption they wanted to destroy humans. They may have been taking them there to establish another temple.
Why the engineer is pissed off? Don't know. Maybe he felt the humans desicrated the temple by being there.
Its so dissapointing that the ancient asstronaut backstory hasnt been developed in any way. Ironic coming from me I know but still, what was the point of the giant engineer pointing to the LV223 star system? Apart from an unbelievably contrived assumption of Shaw that they were the engineers of humans and a contact point-of-origin there is no logic, especially if LV223 is a WMD base.
It would have been better storywise if Shaw/Holloway had somehow correlated that one of the engineers from LV223 had visited Earth through the ages warning mankind of the extermination threat. A rogue titan (Prometheus?) took pity on the Earth minions and donated the occasional technology gift, revealing the location of the bio-weapons base to hopefully help Earthlings avert future catastrophe. Get your ass to LV223, get your ass to LV223...
Maybe the Gods found out what he was upto and sent orders to exterminate Earth but then Prometheus or a fellow sympathiser sabotaged the base, thus saving the Earth.
This is the kind of shit this movie so desperately needed to at least evoke some purpose for it all and attempt to distance itself from ALIEN. As it stands there doesnt really seem any point to Lindelof's paradoxical writing style making everything 'almost but not quite' line up with LV426 and ALIEN.
Prometheus, as it stands, desperately needs ALIEN to 'work'. Its like the Darth Vader breathing over the soundtrack to the original Phantom Menace trailers.
How old are the pictograms again? They have dates on them in the trailers right? Lol
I hope none of them are less than 2000 years old :)
Quote from: Predaker on Jun 01, 2012, 05:49:35 PM
How old are the pictograms again? They have dates on them in the trailers right? Lol
I hope none of them are less than 2000 years old :)
I'm sure the Isle of Skye one was 35,000 years old.
Quote from: Kev Loaf on Jun 01, 2012, 04:37:45 PM
Why the engineer is pissed off? Don't know. Maybe he felt the humans desicrated the temple by being there.
Well Weyland isn't very gentlemanly towards Shaw inside the Orrery. Maybe the Engineer detests bad manners?
Quote from: Kev Loaf on Jun 01, 2012, 04:37:45 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but its not actually confirmed that the SJ want to destroy humans. Yes they were planning on taking the urns to earth BUT its an assumption they wanted to destroy humans. They may have been taking them there to establish another temple.
Why the engineer is pissed off? Don't know. Maybe he felt the humans desicrated the temple by being there.
When you sleep and someone wake you up before you've planned to wake, you're usually pissed off. ::)
Especially when it's about cryo sleep and you've set up a plan and someone f**k it up.
Hey people of Earth, see these stars, we're going to blow them the f**k away and this one right here is your's. kthxbye, space jockey, last bonehead of the derelict signing off. :laugh:
Although they never actually say what the SJ's are up to do they? :(
Maybe they made mankind for the same reasons man makes robots. The first being slaves, then synthetic meat shields and lastly... to f**k it.
Heres my best go at it.
Im thinking there might be two factions of "Engineers". One faction does the "creating" and the other do the "destroying".
The destroyers try to get rid of the "creators", naturally of course, and eventually succeed. During all this infighting, one creator engineer (or a team of them) secretly terraform earth. One engineer sacrifices himself...maybe even the leader....to make life on earth. His team help the humans to grow throughout time, dying off one by one. WE HUMANS are the last remaining vestiges of the creators. It might be even possible that through the randomness of nature...this leader sacrifice engineer can be reconstituted as a living human. Immortality. He is continually reborn through us which IS HIM. Just like Osirus, Jesus, Buddha, etc.
The Destroyers find out about Earth 2000+ years ago and plan to use the fire they stole from the creators to wipe out earth, so no more creator DNA will remain. The "fire" backfires before they can hatch the attack.
This might explain the Lone Engineer's Reaction to the humans. Not only are they alive and here, but they can create (David). He is furious because the only life he and his dead shipmates were able to create is the worst of the worst.....the xeno. They tried to be the creators and created the xeno. The humans tried and made David. It would explain why they worship it, not in a holy way, more like a punishment way. The same way humans might take heed to "the devil" or "the evil alien" or "demon". The same way humans make use of the gargoyle on churches and buildings. They created their own worst nightmare...and when they saw it in the flesh, that's what caused them to flee the way they did in the hologram sequence.
The secret to immortality is to do what the Sacrifice engineer does. He disintegrates himSELF.
Weyland is trying to do what the Lone Engineer's group tried to do. They are going about it in the wrong way, the SELFish way. The wrong way creates the xeno....every time.....no matter what.....its the promethean curse.
They want to destroy us because we are the last vestiges of the creators, made in their image. They couldve been doing this to every planet the Creators' seeded, and earth was just the next one, which may end up being ONE of the creators' "secret weapons".