I was rewatching AVP:R today.(don't ask why, it's the movie I've seen least in all 3 franchises. I figured I would give it another watch.) But when that particular scene came on, I got chills. The way Mrs.Yutani turned to look at the camera, the music, the "Our world isn't ready for this technology." & "But this isn't for our world, is it?" lines, Etc.
I thought it was brilliantly shot. The dialogue was short, but effective. It also had a very sinister tone, which I loved because in all the Alien films Weyland-Yutani is made out to be the villain. Even though AVP:R was mediocre & had a lot of flaws, this particular scene was well done. Although I would have preferred if they had captured Predator flying technology like an engine or battery, to explain why they achieved space flight in the Alien films. It makes no sense for Yutani to have a Predator gun because the marines still use bullets in the future. But I guess it's possible to reverse engineer the gun for space travel. Plus, Predator weapons would have been too dangerous for the average person to have.
So yeah, I give the writers & the Brothers Strause some props for that scene. Don't shoot me. :-\ lol
I assume that a lot of people are frequently watching AvP-R ? Everyday, there is a new topic beginning with "I was rewatching AvP-R..." Each time they say they don't know why. Some are not telling everything about their relation with this film. :) ;)
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 26, 2011, 09:53:12 PM
I assume that a lot of people are frequently watching AvP-R ? Everyday, there is a new topic beginning with "I was rewatching AvP-R..." Each time they say they don't know why. Some are not telling everything about their relation with this film. :) ;)
Yeah lol :laugh: A lot of avp-r topics coming up lately
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Dec 26, 2011, 09:53:12 PM
I assume that a lot of people are frequently watching AvP-R ? Everyday, there is a new topic beginning with "I was rewatching AvP-R..." Each time they say they don't know why. Some are not telling everything about their relation with this film. :) ;)
I'm not understanding. :(
I liked this scene. It was one of very few scenes in the film in which i actually felt as if i were watching a true Alien or Predator film. In the overarching scheme of things however, much like the film on the whole, this scene is relevant. I don't know why either AvP film felt the need to insert Weyland or Yutani in our present day. I mean, save for references to a better product, & in the case of Lance Henriksen, a competent & recognizable actor.
I liked the idea behind it but I found it was a little hard to take seriously. Ooh here's the stereotypical company suits in their big sterile-looking building getting their hands on Predator tech. Now wait as I (Yutani) take a look at the Pred' cannon and then turn to gaze out the window.
What was the point of the scene?
I thought it was poorly shot, etc. Just didn't like it. It was trying to be ominous, and it showed.
Quote from: AlexVelez on Dec 26, 2011, 09:44:38 PM
It makes no sense for Yutani to have a Predator gun because the marines still use bullets in the future.
Rewatch Hudson's dropship speech.
Not just that - the Alien crew had laser pistols they could never fire.
Would laser & plasma guns be considered the same thing? Also, what exactly did Hudson say in his speech? lol I can't recall.
Quote from: AlexVelez on Dec 29, 2011, 05:51:22 AM
Would laser & plasma guns be considered the same thing? Also, what exactly did Hudson say in his speech? lol I can't recall.
"Phased plasma pulse rifles"
Come to think of it, I think the Terminator asks for one of those or something along those lines in the gun store.
Quote from: PsyKore on Dec 29, 2011, 06:00:25 AM
Quote from: AlexVelez on Dec 29, 2011, 05:51:22 AM
Would laser & plasma guns be considered the same thing? Also, what exactly did Hudson say in his speech? lol I can't recall.
"Phased plasma pulse rifles"
Come to think of it, I think the Terminator asks for one of those or something along those lines in the gun store.
"Phased plasma rifle in 40 watt range."
Particle beam phalanx sounds lasery, too.
Sounds more particley..
Quote from: AlexVelez on Dec 29, 2011, 05:51:22 AM
Would laser & plasma guns be considered the same thing? Also, what exactly did Hudson say in his speech? lol I can't recall.
One's basically using a beam of light. The other is... A gun which projects hot steam, but science-fiction writers like to use it because 'plasma' sounds cool and futuristic. :)
Hudson's quote makes it sound
just ambiguous enough to be plausible, since we don't know if it means it shoots plasma or if 'phased plasma' is just a descriptive term for how the firing mechanism functions (the same as how we don't know what the 'pulse' in 'pulse rifle' means).
Lasers are getting realistically close to battlefield applications to potentially be used in combat in a few years' time. Not so much as hand-held weapons, but on pods for aircraft, most certainly. The AC-130 gunship had a laser cannon proposed for an upgrade and there are plans for 12-shot laser pods to be carried by F-18s.
They'll be game-changers if/when they ever get here. The US military are hoping to use them for very clever things, like over-heating warheads and fuel at range, essentially disarming a group of enemies and leaving them defenceless, without anyone getting injured or killed.
I think AVP-R is that kind of movie u leave playing while u do somethign else, so u only watch alien scenes, i made that a week ago ...
Quote from: AlexVelez on Dec 26, 2011, 09:44:38 PM
So yeah, I give the writers & the Brothers Strause some props for that scene. Don't shoot me. :-\ lol
That last scene was the only good thing that the critics of the film praised.
It was a nice lead into the Weyland Yutani enterprise, which starts popping up in the franchise chronilogically afterwards.
We already had a Weyland intro in the first film.
Which was rather forced to begin with.
So, why not use the sequel to bring the "Yutani" into the Weyland Yutani scene?
An even more forced and tacked on epilogue is hardly bringing Yutani into anything.
Disagreeed. The Weyland & Yutani reference has been bounced around the franchise for years, having little pieces behind the logo revealed in the films added some intrigue about the company. The logo, the weapons, the company itself building better worlds, we are given a little taste to savor the mystery behind it all. For some us at least.
The addition of Yutani to the end of the film neither helps or hinders the film or subsequent films in it's timeline. I mean after sitting through that film ... who cares. I'm with Alice. Why not mention it? It sort of comes with the territory these days. And can be a fun little nugget for those who don't invest as much credence into the other films as we do.
Pointless to be honest. How are we to believe she helps form Weyland-Yutani if you know...Weyland's dead. Had Weyland lived and they met face to face it would have been more effective.
It looks like it was tacked on as an afterthought.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 11, 2012, 11:58:37 PM
It looks like it was tacked on as an afterthought.
... One last after thought in a film of afterthoughts doesn't hurt.
It's like getting run over by a bus, set on fire, shot, stabbed, dipped in acid, eaten and shat out by wolves, reconstituted and whacked in the balls with a windmill blade. Getting shot with a rubber band after all that aint' nothin' but a thing.
That scene was supposed to be an epilogue ending after the credits were over. So that's probably why it feels tacked on. The original ending was supposed to show a group of predators on an alien homeworld (not the official homeworld of the Aliens) that had been over run by the creatures. They called it a King Alien that the predators were trying to take down or something like. Greg talked about it during press for Skyline.
But the Yutani scene was always supposed to be a fan thing. Nothing more. I know when I saw it with a crowd no one knew what the hell it meant. lol.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 12:31:20 AMThat scene was supposed to be an epilogue ending after the credits were over. So that's probably why it feels tacked on.
No, it felt tacked on because it was unnecessary. It seemed forced, too. It lacked subtlety. I almost expected them to turn to the camera and nod and wink.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 12:31:20 AMBut the Yutani scene was always supposed to be a fan thing. Nothing more. I know when I saw it with a crowd no one knew what the hell it meant. lol.
I've been a fan of the
Alien series since 1978, and I was let down by that scene.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 12:31:20 AM
That scene was supposed to be an epilogue ending after the credits were over. So that's probably why it feels tacked on.
I think I would have liked that better.
Mal nailed it. It was like Rick Moranis in Spaceballs breaking the fourth wall and saying "Everybody got that??"
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 12:31:20 AM
That scene was supposed to be an epilogue ending after the credits were over. So that's probably why it feels tacked on. The original ending was supposed to show a group of predators on an alien homeworld (not the official homeworld of the Aliens) that had been over run by the creatures. They called it a King Alien that the predators were trying to take down or something like. Greg talked about it during press for Skyline.
So glad that didn't happen, anything to do with DOS gives me the willies :o
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 12:31:20 AM
But the Yutani scene was always supposed to be a fan thing. Nothing more. I know when I saw it with a crowd no one knew what the hell it meant. lol.
It was a fun fan thing, to some fans. For the fans who appreciate the EU, Yutani scene was a little bonus for us. For those who hate everything about this film, it makes scenes that this scene is a waste for you. Your opinion is understood even if it is not shared.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 12, 2012, 01:44:20 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 12:31:20 AM
That scene was supposed to be an epilogue ending after the credits were over. So that's probably why it feels tacked on. The original ending was supposed to show a group of predators on an alien homeworld (not the official homeworld of the Aliens) that had been over run by the creatures. They called it a King Alien that the predators were trying to take down or something like. Greg talked about it during press for Skyline.
So glad that didn't happen, anything to do with DOS gives me the willies :o
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 12, 2012, 12:31:20 AM
But the Yutani scene was always supposed to be a fan thing. Nothing more. I know when I saw it with a crowd no one knew what the hell it meant. lol.
It was a fun fan thing, to some fans. For the fans who appreciate the EU, Yutani scene was a little bonus for us. For those who hate everything about this film, it makes scenes that this scene is a waste for you. Your opinion is understood even if it is not shared.
I don't have a problem with the scene actually. I just thought it was funny I was the only one in the theater that understood it.
S.E.E.D. did it better.
The fan made film? With such great suits that was one shit film. I don't think I even finished it. How did Yutani work into the story?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 13, 2012, 04:39:38 AM
I don't have a problem with the scene actually. I just thought it was funny I was the only one in the theater that understood it.
Oh I wasn't disagreeing you Echobbase79. Just reinforcing some of the highlights against all the hate from others :)
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 13, 2012, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 13, 2012, 04:39:38 AM
I don't have a problem with the scene actually. I just thought it was funny I was the only one in the theater that understood it.
Oh I wasn't disagreeing you Echobbase79. Just reinforcing some of the highlights against all the hate from others :)
Oh, I know. It's all good. :)
Even though i hate avp-r, i did like this scene. The only thing i would've liked seeing after Yutani saw the gun and the guy asked "but this isn't for our world, is it miss Yutani ?" we see Weyland (played by Lance) closing the suitcase. That would be a cool ending if you'd ask me. Especcialy because he died in avp. So is it his brother or did he already had some droids.
The Miss yutani scene was a great moment. I really wished they killed the survivours in the helicopter. It would have added emotion to the heartless film. Plus it would reveal that the company gets what its wants and leaves no survivours.
Dallas gives them the predator gun.
A marine shouts open fire.
Flash to military taking the breifcase to Yutani.
Quote from: Snowdog on Jan 14, 2012, 12:11:06 AM
Even though i hate avp-r, i did like this scene. The only thing i would've liked seeing after Yutani saw the gun and the guy asked "but this isn't for our world, is it miss Yutani ?" we see Weyland (played by Lance) closing the suitcase. That would be a cool ending if you'd ask me. Especcialy because he died in avp. So is it his brother or did he already had some droids.
That would have being a much better ending.
Quote from: Snowdog on Jan 14, 2012, 12:11:06 AMwe see Weyland (played by Lance) closing the suitcase
Did they reassemble him from his scattered atoms?
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 15, 2012, 02:14:34 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Jan 14, 2012, 12:11:06 AMwe see Weyland (played by Lance) closing the suitcase
Did they reassemble him from his scattered atoms?
:laugh: No doubt!
That wasn't Wayland, it was the colonel who was in charge during the NG..."assistance" and who answers all the radio calls.
I thought it was "neat" when it first happend...then when the micro geekgasm ended I was like...why would US mil go to a Japanese company? Maybe if there were more subtle hints(or secondary storyline), during the movie and then end with this...but with the perspective we got for the movie that couldn't happen, so it's more of a WTF moment?
If they made one little change in avp we could've had weyland at the end of avp-r.
They only had to make the blood coming out of his mouth when he died white instead of red. Also let the blood on scar's wristblades be white instead of red. And there you have it.
Not really, since Scar scans Weyland (reference to Predator 2) and finds his disease. That's why he leaves him at first.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 15, 2012, 07:12:15 PM
Not really, since Scar scans Weyland (reference to Predator 2) and finds his disease. That's why he leaves him at first.
A flawed design because it's one of the first droids made ::) with human acting (the sickness) to make him more believeable. It's a bit of a stretch but come on it's not like the avp movies are genious or something.
Those are clearly human organs, human heart and circulatory system we see during the scan.
If in your hypothetical retcon we want to cut this 'scan' as well I'm fine, though.
Quote from: Terx2 on Jan 15, 2012, 04:47:18 AM
The Miss yutani scene was a great moment. I really wished they killed the survivours in the helicopter. It would have added emotion to the heartless film. Plus it would reveal that the company gets what its wants and leaves no survivours.
Dallas gives them the predator gun.
A marine shouts open fire.
Flash to military taking the breifcase to Yutani.
Damn i would've loved that. But yeah fox doesn't want to kill of badly written characters :'(
They killed off all the other badly written characters.
Wasn't that the original ending, killing them all off? I thought I remember the BS saying that in the commentary...
I think they did It to bring the whole company togeather or it was a failed attempt for a next one
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 18, 2012, 11:50:34 PMI think they did It to bring the whole company togeather or it was a failed attempt for a next one
They did a poor job of it, considering that there was no sign of a Weyland employee in that scene.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 18, 2012, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 18, 2012, 11:50:34 PMI think they did It to bring the whole company togeather or it was a failed attempt for a next one
They did a poor job of it, considering that there was no sign of a Weyland employee in that scene.
Maybe they thought in the third one they could bring them togeather which still is stupid in the original alien franchise there was never a mention of a merging and if they had predator technology why were they after the alien in the first alien movie they didnt think anything through
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 19, 2012, 12:01:41 AMMaybe they thought in the third one they could bring them togeather which still is stupid in the original alien franchise there was never a mention of a merging and if they had predator technology why were they after the alien in the first alien movie they didnt think anything through
I doubt if they were going to put something in this movie that'll be reflected in a third movie.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 12:58:00 AM
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 19, 2012, 12:01:41 AMMaybe they thought in the third one they could bring them togeather which still is stupid in the original alien franchise there was never a mention of a merging and if they had predator technology why were they after the alien in the first alien movie they didnt think anything through
I doubt if they were going to put something in this movie that'll be reflected in a third movie.
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Why not dont they want people to see the third one it has to be connected or it would just be stupid i think they should reboot the alien vs predator franchise with a good AVP movie not the crap that has been done
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 19, 2012, 01:00:27 AMWhy not dont they want people to see the third one it has to be connected or it would just be stupid
Probably because the first two were embarassing enough.
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 19, 2012, 01:00:27 AMi think they should reboot the alien vs predator franchise with a good AVP movie not the crap that has been done
It's too soon to reboot. It's barely been three years since the last one. It was a failed experiment. Just let the damned
AvP films die.
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 02:21:51 AM
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 19, 2012, 01:00:27 AMWhy not dont they want people to see the third one it has to be connected or it would just be stupid
Probably because the first two were embarassing enough.
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 19, 2012, 01:00:27 AMi think they should reboot the alien vs predator franchise with a good AVP movie not the crap that has been done
It's too soon to reboot. It's barely been three years since the last one. It was a failed experiment. Just let the damned AvP films die.
They should just drop it and wait until it becomes a demand again if thats even going to happen
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 02:21:51 AM
It's too soon to reboot. It's barely been three years since the last one. It was a failed experiment. Just let the damned AvP films die.
No way. Terminator:Salvation resurrected that franchise after the failure that was T3, so there is always hope for AVP.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 19, 2012, 06:43:36 PM
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 02:21:51 AM
It's too soon to reboot. It's barely been three years since the last one. It was a failed experiment. Just let the damned AvP films die.
No way. Terminator:Salvation resurrected that franchise after the failure that was T3, so there is always hope for AVP.
But T3 wasn't as bad as AVP:Rectum was...That's the main problem. And there is Prometheus in the making...
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 19, 2012, 06:43:36 PM
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 02:21:51 AM
It's too soon to reboot. It's barely been three years since the last one. It was a failed experiment. Just let the damned AvP films die.
No way. Terminator:Salvation resurrected that franchise after the failure that was T3, so there is always hope for AVP.
SERIOUSLY? sorry my hate for ts took over. That movie ruined the franchise for me......... throwminators
tscc is the true sequel to terminator 2 for me
Quote from: Snowdog on Jan 19, 2012, 07:53:46 PM
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 19, 2012, 06:43:36 PM
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 02:21:51 AM
It's too soon to reboot. It's barely been three years since the last one. It was a failed experiment. Just let the damned AvP films die.
No way. Terminator:Salvation resurrected that franchise after the failure that was T3, so there is always hope for AVP.
SERIOUSLY? sorry my hate for ts took over. That movie ruined the franchise for me......... throwminators
tscc is the true sequel to terminator 2 for me
if you say so...but at least it was Arnold there and there was a couple of funny scenes there...You have to take T3 as a parody . But enough now , we are getting off-topic...
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 19, 2012, 06:43:36 PMQuote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 02:21:51 AMIt's too soon to reboot. It's barely been three years since the last one. It was a failed experiment. Just let the damned AvP films die.
No way. Terminator:Salvation resurrected that franchise after the failure that was T3, so there is always hope for AVP.
"Resurrected". Interesting choice for a word. When a person had died a slow and painful death, the last thing you want to do is bring them back to life and put them through the same prolonged misery again.
Terminator: Salivation may or may not have resurrected the franchise, but for that last installment, it gave the corpse spasms which were mistaken for a pulse.
throwminator 4 made me want to punch my best friend in the face.. he wanted to go see it... i never forgive him
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 19, 2012, 06:43:36 PMQuote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 02:21:51 AMIt's too soon to reboot. It's barely been three years since the last one. It was a failed experiment. Just let the damned AvP films die.
No way. Terminator:Salvation resurrected that franchise after the failure that was T3, so there is always hope for AVP.
"Resurrected". Interesting choice for a word. When a person had died a slow and painful death, the last thing you want to do is bring them back to life and put them through the same prolonged misery again.
Terminator: Salivation may or may not have resurrected the franchise, but for that last installment, it gave the corpse spasms which were mistaken for a pulse.
Being put to sleep is slow and painful? We should be so lucky. Maybe the sportbike scenes blinded me to the rest of the film, but I thought it was a nice come back to the franchise. Same for AVP, there is always hope for an epic come back. *Cough* maybe Machiko's story *cough.* Or maybe have a chest buster pop out of one the helicopter survivors. There is an open door for many posibilities.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 20, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 10:45:03 PM
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 19, 2012, 06:43:36 PMQuote from: maledoro on Jan 19, 2012, 02:21:51 AMIt's too soon to reboot. It's barely been three years since the last one. It was a failed experiment. Just let the damned AvP films die.
No way. Terminator:Salvation resurrected that franchise after the failure that was T3, so there is always hope for AVP.
"Resurrected". Interesting choice for a word. When a person had died a slow and painful death, the last thing you want to do is bring them back to life and put them through the same prolonged misery again.
Terminator: Salivation may or may not have resurrected the franchise, but for that last installment, it gave the corpse spasms which were mistaken for a pulse.
Being put to sleep is slow and painful? We should be so lucky.
We weren't. Nobody was.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Jan 20, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
Being put to sleep is slow and painful? We should be so lucky. Maybe the sportbike scenes blinded me to the rest of the film, but I thought it was a nice come back to the franchise.
What didn't like about Terminator Salvation was that it undid a lot of the character development that occurred in previous films; in T2, John Connor is trying to defend the Terminator (the T-801, at least) from his mother and suggesting that they have metaphorical souls. In T4, the future leader of the Resistance has become a replica of his former mother with all the hatred she had against the machines.
it made a lot of sense. John Connor had been to war now. he more than knew that all terminators are killing machines and probably lost many people to them. i think it's interesting how it was dealt with his "loss of inocence" when he faces the CGI T-800. too bad the rest of the movie was freaking stupid.
They also raped the john connor character with the biggest miscast they could've done. Lets cast Christian Bale !!! Doesn't matter he thinks he's playing batman. Or that his voice changes between shots. God that annoyed the hell out of me.
Can we get back to the Ms Yutani scene and stop talking about Terminator Salvation please.
As any other scene in the movie it had bad timing, it was badly scripted, badly shot, had bad acting and was utterly redundant.
Quote from: Terx2 on Jan 22, 2012, 01:14:01 PMCan we get back to the Ms Yutani scene and stop talking about Terminator Salvation please.
Be careful in what you ask for...
:-X
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 22, 2012, 04:35:24 PMAs any other scene in the movie it had bad timing, it was badly scripted, badly shot, had bad acting and was utterly redundant.
Now that was worth asking for!
;D
The scene was unexpected, exciting to some fans of the EU, and a nice addition to the characters of the franchise. We see a lot of Weyland, it was interesting to finally see Yutani with weaponry.
I suffered through this monstrosity of a movie again recently. And the coda is just weak sauce fan service. I've seen the movie with non fans and they just look at each other like "Eh?". Pretty pointless scene from a filmmaking standpoint. And if the Strauses want to go with the whole reverse engineering of plasma caster tech spiel, then why didn't they just have OWLF/Yutani Corp discover the freakin' cloaked Predator ship in the lake? Presumably it was far enough from ground zero to have survived?
I was surprised to see that Yutani and Weyland are both likeable and show no signs of the evil that the Weyland-Yutani Corporation would be depicted as in the games and other films. Ok, Yutani did show a brief suspicious look (at the camera? I don't remember), but I think the scene wasn't long enough to confirm how the company would turn out to be in the future. I wouldn't have noticed it if I didn't watch the Alien movies. To me, Miss Yutani looked like a typical reporter-on-the-scene. I might be biased because I have met a lot of bosses - she didn't resonate the CEO vibe. Since she is the CEO, she is a very hard working and very engaging as shown in AvPR. This raises her likeable factor. Most CEOs rarely work on the scene. They have their workers do the work for them.
The same is true for the founder of Grant Corporation in the EU; evil company, not-so-evil founder.
QuoteSince she is the CEO, she is a very hard working and very engaging as shown in AvPR.
You got all that from a 30 second scene, where she has less than half that in screen time and one line of dialogue?
Quote from: SM on Jan 20, 2013, 10:19:57 PM
QuoteSince she is the CEO, she is a very hard working and very engaging as shown in AvPR.
You got all that from a 30 second scene, where she has less than half that in screen time and one line of dialogue?
I guess I'm biased. I work at downtown where I see a lot of young, attractive, and formally dressed business people like her. The closest resemblence to Ms. Yutani is one of our clients. She works at a large company. She is the daughter of the owner. I can't imagine any of them thinking of dangerous weapons to manufacture. I guess that's the thing. Ms. Yutani looks too young to be contemplating tremendously evil things. I don't remember her facial expression when she looked at the blaster. Sadly, I can't find that scene on youtube.
Her facial expression was completely neutral. Which is in keeping with the rest of the cast of that flick...
And "the daughter of the owner" often has no real reason to be "hard working".
Quote from: SM on Jan 21, 2013, 10:42:29 PM
And "the daughter of the owner" often has no real reason to be "hard working".
How do you know?
Because she's "the daughter of the owner". She didn't have to work for that. It's an accident of birth.
Not all family-owned businesses are like what you said. I know because I know a lot of them. Some even get to their workplace first. They have huge responsibilities and they think about how the other workers would think about them. It would be difficult to run a business if there's no respect from the other workers.
Of course.
But assuming the daughter of the owner is hard working apropos of nothing is naive.