Press A to Enter Vent and press RT to Transition.
I find the "Press A to Enter Vent" part deeply disturbing.
Hopefully this is just an option that can be enabled or disabled in campaign. I don't want marines lining up perfect shots every time I go for a vent in multiplayer. I want the motion to be fast and fluid, but not fluid and predictable. Let me try to explain that better.
If you've seen the Alien gameplay (PM GrimyGhost for it :P), #6 goes up to a vent and cannot pass through it without pressing A. The Alien lines up for a brief second and then promptly pounces through while making a sound. The whole motion takes about a second. Now, this could be a good feature for newer players who are unsteady with the Alien's controls and movement. The bad side is that it's extremely predictable and if the entering motion is the same every time then the Alien will be shot dead every time it goes for a vent. It also seems to slow down gameplay, you have to aim at it and then press a button, why can't we just simply crawl into it ourselves while sprinting on the ceiling? I don't know. You decide if this is a good or bad thing. My opinion is it's bad.
Transitioning, I'm okay with it. As I see it, you aim at a surface and then press RT to jump to it and, well, transition to it. Doesn't seem bad from going to floor to ceiling, but going from the floor, to the side of the wall, to the ceiling, to the side of the wall, to the floor again? Pressing RT four times just to do that? I would much rather free crawl.
I think there should be a button you press that enables free crawl, you would simply toggle it on and off. If on, the Alien will scale any surface it comes to. If off, the Alien will remain on the current plane.
Another point I'd like to bring up, could these features be console only? Obviously it's being played on a 360 because of A and RT. Will PC players have a different system?
Anyway, just thought I would bring this up since it seems to be a big gameplay mechanic for the Alien.
I think the walljumps /transitioning is fine, because it's something you could benefit greatly from using in AvP2, yet it was so hard to pull off because wallwalking was disorienting to begin with.
The ventilation enter/exits are just idiotic. Someone in this forum already put it well, he said something along the lines of 1 button to enter/exit a vent leaves you in a mini cutscene with no control over what happens. You could be getting shot by a marine or predator because they saw you before you came out of the vent, and you wouldn't be able to stop it, because you're stuck in a cutscene, as opposed to simply backing up into it again.
Already discussing this in other threads.
Can u link that? Cuz i havent seen any discussion of that sort
I'm sure we will have both ways of entering . .. .
Quote from: Revenant on Jan 21, 2010, 02:38:31 PM
I'm sure the pc will have both ways of entering . .. .
I fixed it for you ;).
o.o
I completely agree with OP
my favorite species is the alien, and I'd really hate it if there would be no freecrawl
and wtf is up with the invisible wall blocking you from going into a vent directly? ::)
I'm sure it's nice for inexperienced players, but I'm pretty sure players who are already used to playing as alien (such as myself and many other alien players from avpgold/avp 2) will find the lack of freedom annoying
not to mention fkin deadly
imagine this situation:
you're playing as an alien, running through a vent, nearing the exit
just as you start going through the exit, you see a marine approaching, now, at this point you're stuck in the animation of exiting the vent, obviously head first
during this time there's absolutely nothing you can do
while you're stuck in the animation you're already getting shot at and you decide the only way to survive is by going back into the vent
the only way to do this is to turn 180 degrees to get the 'press x to use vent' button to pop up, then sit through another animation where there's nothing you can do, all while getting shot in the ass
how is this better than freewalking out of the vent, noticing the marine and backpedalling?
I would be surprised if the guys at rebellion didn't think of this, and I hope they came up with a better solution than to scratch vents from multiplayer maps (as we haven't seen any in multiplayer maps yet iirc)
I don't see how this will be any different than other games that do something similar. You just get used to hitting the button pretty fast and it makes no difference.
I would think with a character this fast you'll be able to do cooler things that you couldn't before. Like running along a wall at top speed and knowing a vent is up ahead you can just tap A at the right time and do a crazy fast 90 degree turn. You would have to slow down to do that in a normal game, not considering the very large chance to get stuck on a corner or something if its a small opening.
never had any problems with that in the previous game
the point is now you have to push button for something that can easily be done without manually
although I can imagine it being harder with a controller when moving that fast (no, not trying to start something here) it's perfectly doable with mouse and keyboard
they said in a recent vid the current technology allowed them to do stuff they only dreamt about with avp 1
if anything they should have used the current technology to make the going into vents smoother, rather than limiting your movement and making you press extra buttons
Quote from: EC jay on Jan 21, 2010, 03:08:49 PM
I completely agree with OP
my favorite species is the alien, and I'd really hate it if there would be no freecrawl
and wtf is up with the invisible wall blocking you from going into a vent directly? ::)
I'm sure it's nice for inexperienced players, but I'm pretty sure players who are already used to playing as alien (such as myself and many other alien players from avpgold/avp 2) will find the lack of freedom annoying
not to mention fkin deadly
imagine this situation:
you're playing as an alien, running through a vent, nearing the exit
just as you start going through the exit, you see a marine approaching, now, at this point you're stuck in the animation of exiting the vent, obviously head first
during this time there's absolutely nothing you can do
while you're stuck in the animation you're already getting shot at and you decide the only way to survive is by going back into the vent
the only way to do this is to turn 180 degrees to get the 'press x to use vent' button to pop up, then sit through another animation where there's nothing you can do, all while getting shot in the ass
how is this better than freewalking out of the vent, noticing the marine and backpedalling?
I would be surprised if the guys at rebellion didn't think of this, and I hope they came up with a better solution than to scratch vents from multiplayer maps (as we haven't seen any in multiplayer maps yet iirc)
Amen brother... amen... i feel your pain.
Anyone think maybe they have a reason for doing all these things, and they're not just trying to piss you off?
And the reason is not to make it more console friendly, plenty of games play fine on the console without transition buttons and such.
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
Anyone think maybe they have a reason for doing all these things, and they're not just trying to piss you off?
And the reason is not to make it more console friendly, plenty of games play fine on the console without transition buttons and such.
Are you 12?, i mean seriously were on about how it will effect the PC gamers it will be so annoying i hope there is a option to change that damn thing. I like the AVP1, AVP2, Classic ways thank you very much. Ofcourse it's console friendly and if it's included in the PC release then we know it's been ported copy and paste ftw?
To giger
Replace the word charlie with "giger"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M3VjzoBnnc&feature=related
Welcome to the era of mainstream...
I hate it.
I like it, saves me lookin around for games i want, i just see it everywhere and know how to get it. But back to the point i reckon u aliens will be just fine, i doubt u crawl really slowly into the vent anyway, havent seen the vid or whatever but i doubt that he takes his time getting into the vent.
Besides once ur in the vent ur pretty safe anyway...
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
Anyone think maybe they have a reason for doing all these things, and they're not just trying to piss you off?
Oh yeah.. they are doing all these things just to piss me off... ;D
...
I am sure some people couldn't handle wall walking in AvP1&2 too well... Some people
no doubt had some problems with getting into some vents... I know I have had some
problems with some vents in AvP2 sometimes... (wallwalk keep going nuts and turning
me around...) and I am sure they thought these auto-systems would work better...
And I am sure in some situations they sure would...
And I am not against having these automatic vent entry systems... They are very good
addition...
But I am
strongly against forcing players to use them... Players should be able to go
through those vents just like they can in AvP2... That Auto - Entry/Exit thing should
be optional help you can you use if you keep getting stuck or something with the
normal way...
exactly
it can be a good help, but shouldn't be mandatory
And about this wall walking stuff... I maybe wrong but I believe it works like this:
Pressing the WW button turns the wall walk mode and surface transitioning on...
( When they are ON, its just like in the previous games... you can run from ground
to wall and to ceiling and back to wall and... )
Releasing the button can have one of two functions which depends how long you
held down the button...
If its a quick tap then it turns both systems (WW and TRANS) off and you fall to
the ground (unless of course you were already on ground...)
If you hold it down a little longer then the WW remains but the TRANS is disabled
so you can't move between walls and ceilings and ground anymore... So IF you are
on the ceilings for example then on the ceilings you will stay... (untill you press the
button again at least...)
Guys, In multiplayer, i reckon they WILL have done something, their not morons.
They'll probably either speed it up, or make you invincible as the animation happens. "If you know what i mean.)
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 21, 2010, 07:23:37 PM
Guys, In multiplayer, i reckon they WILL have done something, their not morons.
They'll probably either speed it up, or make you invincible as the animation happens. "If you know what i mean.)
GOW1 god mode? Dear god noooooooo...
If you're opening a door and I hit you with a guitar over the head it should still hurt, the pain wouldn't be erased just because you were opening the door. *sigh*
Quote from: Private W Hudson on Jan 21, 2010, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
Anyone think maybe they have a reason for doing all these things, and they're not just trying to piss you off?
And the reason is not to make it more console friendly, plenty of games play fine on the console without transition buttons and such.
Are you 12?, i mean seriously were on about how it will effect the PC gamers it will be so annoying i hope there is a option to change that damn thing. I like the AVP1, AVP2, Classic ways thank you very much. Ofcourse it's console friendly and if it's included in the PC release then we know it's been ported copy and paste ftw?
Nope, not 12 (Not really sure how anything in the post you indicated signaled a young age, but I guess when you have to scrounge for an original insult you got to work with whatever comes to mind quickest for you).
If you had been paying attention to the news, they've said every system has been built from the ground up. No ports. And while they said they are focusing on the console versions, they are all avid PC gamers.
This means that for some reason, they thought the best option for going into a vent was to have a transitional button pop up when you are near.
Now there is no reason for this to have come from consoles, because a joystick doesn't limit your ability to get into a vent opening. Anyone who says otherwise is a PC fanboy who doesn't play with a controller. It wouldn't make any sense.
So, if we look at all that, they must have made this setup for the reason that it benefits the gameplay in some way that we can't fully realize because we haven't PLAYED THE DAMN THING.
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 07:34:11 PM
If you had been paying attention to the news, they've said every system has been built from the ground up. No ports. And while they said they are focusing on the console versions, they are all avid PC gamers.
This means that for some reason, they thought the best option for going into a vent was to have a transitional button pop up when you are near.
Now there is no reason for this to have come from consoles, because a joystick doesn't limit your ability to get into a vent opening. Anyone who says otherwise is a PC fanboy who doesn't play with a controller. It wouldn't make any sense.
So, if we look at all that, they must have made this setup for the reason that it benefits the gameplay in some way that we can't fully realize because we haven't PLAYED THE DAMN THING.
Simply because a company says something, doesn't necessarily make it true. I mean hell, they said the same thing for Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising and it was disappointing as f**k(I'm quite sure everyone who bought the game agrees on this).
Anyway, I think entering the vent will be nice and easy with it, but exiting may prove to be a problem like stated earlier. Unless the exit is the normal way to exit, that is to say, you just crawl out at your own pace. But then like stated in the scenario, re-entering would be a problem.
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Private W Hudson on Jan 21, 2010, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
Anyone think maybe they have a reason for doing all these things, and they're not just trying to piss you off?
And the reason is not to make it more console friendly, plenty of games play fine on the console without transition buttons and such.
Are you 12?, i mean seriously were on about how it will effect the PC gamers it will be so annoying i hope there is a option to change that damn thing. I like the AVP1, AVP2, Classic ways thank you very much. Ofcourse it's console friendly and if it's included in the PC release then we know it's been ported copy and paste ftw?
Nope, not 12 (Not really sure how anything in the post you indicated signaled a young age, but I guess when you have to scrounge for an original insult you got to work with whatever comes to mind quickest for you).
If you had been paying attention to the news, they've said every system has been built from the ground up. No ports. And while they said they are focusing on the console versions, they are all avid PC gamers.
This means that for some reason, they thought the best option for going into a vent was to have a transitional button pop up when you are near.
Now there is no reason for this to have come from consoles, because a joystick doesn't limit your ability to get into a vent opening. Anyone who says otherwise is a PC fanboy who doesn't play with a controller. It wouldn't make any sense.
So, if we look at all that, they must have made this setup for the reason that it benefits the gameplay in some way that we can't fully realize because we haven't PLAYED THE DAMN THING.
Well I hope so.
Otherwise if they had not thought about this for MP on the PC section I will gladly wait with my sniper rifle when an alien comes out of the vent to put a big bullet through its dome and tear it into pieces ... and believe me I will
not miss my target ;)!
"you havent played the damned thing" really ?
have you ever stopped to ask yourself that if it indeed works out the way these people fear it will that by then any attempts to change it would probably be useless ?
or would you then go with "they finished the game you cant honestly expect them to change things now" ?
and while they probably would have a reason (assuming its even in the PC version) that still would not by any means guarantee it to be a good reason.
making it controller friendly is something i do not mind but do not mess with my keyboard+mouse set up because that would be detrimental to my enjoyment of the game.
i want to be in control and not be reduced to resorting to quick time event style gameing of press A to not die events.
Quote from: VEF214 on Jan 21, 2010, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 21, 2010, 07:23:37 PM
Guys, In multiplayer, i reckon they WILL have done something, their not morons.
They'll probably either speed it up, or make you invincible as the animation happens. "If you know what i mean.)
GOW1 god mode? Dear god noooooooo...
If you're opening a door and I hit you with a guitar over the head it should still hurt, the pain wouldn't be erased just because you were opening the door. *sigh*
Fine. Would you rather get cheap-killed as an Alien, every time you go through a vent?!
Although, aren't we making a bit of a big deal about this? Every other game, when you climb/enter stuff, you can be killed, and you never moan about that.
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 21, 2010, 07:59:35 PM
Quote from: VEF214 on Jan 21, 2010, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 21, 2010, 07:23:37 PM
Guys, In multiplayer, i reckon they WILL have done something, their not morons.
They'll probably either speed it up, or make you invincible as the animation happens. "If you know what i mean.)
GOW1 god mode? Dear god noooooooo...
If you're opening a door and I hit you with a guitar over the head it should still hurt, the pain wouldn't be erased just because you were opening the door. *sigh*
Fine. Would you rather get cheap-killed as an Alien, every time you go through a vent?!
Although, aren't we making a bit of a big deal about this? Every other game, when you climb/enter stuff, you can be killed, and you never moan about that.
I would rather avoid the matter entirely and let people walk through a space in the wall without having to press a button and wait.
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 21, 2010, 07:59:35 PM
Quote from: VEF214 on Jan 21, 2010, 07:27:01 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 21, 2010, 07:23:37 PM
Guys, In multiplayer, i reckon they WILL have done something, their not morons.
They'll probably either speed it up, or make you invincible as the animation happens. "If you know what i mean.)
GOW1 god mode? Dear god noooooooo...
If you're opening a door and I hit you with a guitar over the head it should still hurt, the pain wouldn't be erased just because you were opening the door. *sigh*
Fine. Would you rather get cheap-killed as an Alien, every time you go through a vent?!
Although, aren't we making a bit of a big deal about this? Every other game, when you climb/enter stuff, you can be killed, and you never moan about that.
Nah, it can possibly not be for you as a solitary alien a big deal but imagine this if you play with around ~10 aliens and 5 humans and 2 preds in a server and there are several vents around the level and also a sniper rifle in the level, do you really think that so many aliens, especially considering that the vents will be the "safe harbours" for aliens that you will not find quite regulary always some aliens speeding up to go into a vent and if you are like I you would be on a look out for easy prey (as human ;) ) and you would take your chances and zoom in one-shot with the sniper => one less alien and one frag more ;). Now imagine this on an amount of ten aliens were occassionally always one or two aliens will use the vents ;).
You can easily score yourself up on the first place in the scoring board just by being cautious and looking for easy prey while at the same time using all your existing weaponry to kill as much enemies as possible while no alien is seeable or in the "transition phase" seeable to be more exact (though for seeing in the dark you have the MT after the Map knowledge ;) ) ... I think such a thing will break the neck for some aliens especially if you have good snipers around ;) ... .
By the way when I played alien in clan servers it was imparative to vanish quickly into a vent á la bunker especially if you pounced on a wall and wall walked immediately into the vent while being upside ... its very important in AvP 2 to utilize wall walking and being as good of an alien upside down as it is when you walk on the ground, especially if you face a lot of good humans and clan players ;). Such a thing would make you in this fast paced game a big target for every marine or human in general ... .
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 21, 2010, 07:59:35 PM
Every other game, when you climb/enter stuff, you can be killed, and you never moan about that.
Walking through vent opening isn't like climbing though... its more like walking
through some open doorway...
Imagine what it would be like... You come to a door... Its open... You try to
to walk through but you are stopped by and invisible barrier... and a message
pops up on your screen... "Press (X) to walk through the open doorway"...
You hit X... Tadaa... You get "cinematic" where you walk through the door
(which maybe last for about a second..) and once your through you may
continue playing as "usual"...
Quote from: AJL on Jan 21, 2010, 08:12:14 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 21, 2010, 07:59:35 PM
Every other game, when you climb/enter stuff, you can be killed, and you never moan about that.
Walking through vent opening isn't like climbing though... its more like walking
through some open doorway...
Imagine what it would be like... You come to a door... Its open... You try to
to walk through but you are stopped by and invisible barrier... and a message
pops up on your screen... "Press (X) to walk through the open doorway"...
You hit X... Tadaa... You get "cinematic" where you walk through the door
(which maybe last for about a second..) and once your through you may
continue playing as "usual"...
It seems like it makes for a clunky experience movement wise, and with the Alien supposed to be fluid, agile, and quick of foot, this doesn't seem like a good gameplay mechanic to implement.
I'm not sure anymore if I want to buy this game...
The alien can see through walls. There will be no problem with the animation unless you choose to not look for an enemy on the other side ahead of time. The entering system is designed for entering a vent from a full speed retreat. If you pop out of a vent and failed to notice there was a marine looking at the vent before you came out, then the marine deserves the easy kill.
All true, I guess.
But like I said, hopefully they'll modify it somehow.
Quote from: yaji on Jan 21, 2010, 08:17:02 PM
I'm not sure anymore if I want to buy this game...
You can't resist stop lying :P
can we get S.Y.L. in here?
since we're drawing conclusions from a gameplayvid we saw I doubt clearing this up would break any NDA :-\
I'd really like this cleared up
Quote from: vess on Jan 21, 2010, 08:36:49 PM
The alien can see through walls. There will be no problem with the animation unless you choose to not look for an enemy on the other side ahead of time. The entering system is designed for entering a vent from a full speed retreat. If you pop out of a vent and failed to notice there was a marine looking at the vent before you came out, then the marine deserves the easy kill.
I'm concerned about getting shot and killed while the animation is taking place for entering or even exiting a vent. That's just me of course.
Quote from: AJL on Jan 21, 2010, 08:12:14 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 21, 2010, 07:59:35 PM
Every other game, when you climb/enter stuff, you can be killed, and you never moan about that.
Walking through vent opening isn't like climbing though... its more like walking
through some open doorway...
Imagine what it would be like... You come to a door... Its open... You try to
to walk through but you are stopped by and invisible barrier... and a message
pops up on your screen... "Press (X) to walk through the open doorway"...
You hit X... Tadaa... You get "cinematic" where you walk through the door
(which maybe last for about a second..) and once your through you may
continue playing as "usual"...
Are you saying you shouldn't be allowed to be killed when walking through a doorway or opening a door?
Marines can be killed while healing and setting up sentries,
Predators can be killed while healing and restoring power,
Aliens can be killed while headbiting to heal and entering vents.
Quote from: EC jay on Jan 21, 2010, 08:40:25 PM
can we get S.Y.L. in here?
since we're drawing conclusions from a gameplayvid we saw I doubt clearing this up would break any NDA :-\
I'd really like this cleared up
i dont think he is going to say much even if you ask nicely. :-\
Quote from: kvon17 on Jan 21, 2010, 08:55:14 PM
Quote from: AJL on Jan 21, 2010, 08:12:14 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 21, 2010, 07:59:35 PM
Every other game, when you climb/enter stuff, you can be killed, and you never moan about that.
Walking through vent opening isn't like climbing though... its more like walking
through some open doorway...
Imagine what it would be like... You come to a door... Its open... You try to
to walk through but you are stopped by and invisible barrier... and a message
pops up on your screen... "Press (X) to walk through the open doorway"...
You hit X... Tadaa... You get "cinematic" where you walk through the door
(which maybe last for about a second..) and once your through you may
continue playing as "usual"...
Are you saying you shouldn't be allowed to be killed when walking through a doorway or opening a door?
Marines can be killed while healing and setting up sentries,
Predators can be killed while healing and restoring power,
Aliens can be killed while headbiting to heal and entering vents.
It's not the same thing though.
Quote from: kvon17 on Jan 21, 2010, 08:55:14 PM
Are you saying you shouldn't be allowed to be killed when walking through a doorway or opening a door?
Marines can be killed while healing and setting up sentries,
Predators can be killed while healing and restoring power,
Aliens can be killed while headbiting to heal and entering vents.
sorry, but this just makes no sense at all
are you honestly comparing walking through a door to setting up a turret?
AJL wasn't saying you shouldn't be able to get shot when going through a door
man, I really hope there's mod tools coming for this game
then someone can remove the invisible vent walls for aliens
then add in invisible walls in every door for marines and preds to walk through and make it so that every time they do, they're stuck in the doorway for a few seconds with a neon sign above their head saying "shoot me"
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Private W Hudson on Jan 21, 2010, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 03:45:13 PM
Anyone think maybe they have a reason for doing all these things, and they're not just trying to piss you off?
And the reason is not to make it more console friendly, plenty of games play fine on the console without transition buttons and such.
Are you 12?, i mean seriously were on about how it will effect the PC gamers it will be so annoying i hope there is a option to change that damn thing. I like the AVP1, AVP2, Classic ways thank you very much. Ofcourse it's console friendly and if it's included in the PC release then we know it's been ported copy and paste ftw?
Nope, not 12 (Not really sure how anything in the post you indicated signaled a young age, but I guess when you have to scrounge for an original insult you got to work with whatever comes to mind quickest for you).
If you had been paying attention to the news, they've said every system has been built from the ground up. No ports. And while they said they are focusing on the console versions, they are all avid PC gamers.
This means that for some reason, they thought the best option for going into a vent was to have a transitional button pop up when you are near.
Now there is no reason for this to have come from consoles, because a joystick doesn't limit your ability to get into a vent opening. Anyone who says otherwise is a PC fanboy who doesn't play with a controller. It wouldn't make any sense.
So, if we look at all that, they must have made this setup for the reason that it benefits the gameplay in some way that we can't fully realize because we haven't PLAYED THE DAMN THING.
Seriously never makes sense... you cut me deep dawg.
Let golic sum it up for ya
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Quote from: EC jay on Jan 21, 2010, 09:02:18 PM
Quote from: kvon17 on Jan 21, 2010, 08:55:14 PM
Are you saying you shouldn't be allowed to be killed when walking through a doorway or opening a door?
Marines can be killed while healing and setting up sentries,
Predators can be killed while healing and restoring power,
Aliens can be killed while headbiting to heal and entering vents.
sorry, but this just makes no sense at all
are you honestly comparing walking through a door to setting up a turret?
AJL wasn't saying you shouldn't be able to get shot when going through a door
man, I really hope there's mod tools coming for this game
then someone can remove the invisible vent walls for aliens
then add in invisible walls in every door for marines and preds to walk through and make it so that every time they do, they're stuck in the doorway for a few seconds with a neon sign above their head saying "shoot me"
Are you that bad of a player that when you know you're coming up to a vent you want to go through, after going through hundreds before it, you're not going to be able to hit A fast enough that its fluid.
Cause from the looks of it, the animation is just as fast as if you did just go through it normal.
So the problem is you're not very good at playing games right?
Quote from: VEF214 on Jan 21, 2010, 08:43:29 PM
I'm concerned about getting shot and killed while the animation is taking place for entering or even exiting a vent. That's just me of course.
I am not... not really... the animations seem to be pretty short/quick...
I am more concerned about the destination... It moves you from one side
of the opening to the other but you don't get to choose where exactly
you endup...
(When moving form biger room into that small vent that propably doesn't
make any difference but when coming out from the vent into the biger
room that is another matter...)
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 09:05:50 PM
Are you that bad of a player that when you know you're coming up to a vent you want to go through, after going through hundreds before it, you're not going to be able to hit A fast enough that its fluid.
Cause from the looks of it, the animation is just as fast as if you did just go through it normal.
So the problem is you're not very good at playing games right?
hahahaha, oh wow
if only you played against me :D
no, that's not what I'm saying, at all
AJL's post sum it up pretty nicely what I'm worried about
and that's having LESS control
as I said before, it may be good for beginning players that are still learning how to play alien, but NOT for experienced players
your posts make me wonder if you've ever played avp tbh (alien that is)
Quote from: EC jay on Jan 21, 2010, 09:02:18 PM
Quote from: kvon17 on Jan 21, 2010, 08:55:14 PM
Are you saying you shouldn't be allowed to be killed when walking through a doorway or opening a door?
Marines can be killed while healing and setting up sentries,
Predators can be killed while healing and restoring power,
Aliens can be killed while headbiting to heal and entering vents.
sorry, but this just makes no sense at all
are you honestly comparing walking through a door to setting up a turret?
AJL wasn't saying you shouldn't be able to get shot when going through a door
man, I really hope there's mod tools coming for this game
then someone can remove the invisible vent walls for aliens
then add in invisible walls in every door for marines and preds to walk through and make it so that every time they do, they're stuck in the doorway for a few seconds with a neon sign above their head saying "shoot me"
No. AJL compared getting killed while going into vents to getting killed while going through a random door.
The rest of my post was unrelated to that.
Quote from: EC jay on Jan 21, 2010, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 09:05:50 PM
Are you that bad of a player that when you know you're coming up to a vent you want to go through, after going through hundreds before it, you're not going to be able to hit A fast enough that its fluid.
Cause from the looks of it, the animation is just as fast as if you did just go through it normal.
So the problem is you're not very good at playing games right?
hahahaha, oh wow
if only you played against me :D
no, that's not what I'm saying, at all
AJL's post sum it up pretty nicely what I'm worried about
and that's having LESS control
as I said before, it may be good for beginning players that are still learning how to play alien, but NOT for experienced players
your posts make me wonder if you've ever played avp tbh (alien that is)
I know man this isnt halo this is AVP no mastercheif, ya dig?
Quote from: kvon17 on Jan 21, 2010, 09:22:23 PM
No. AJL compared getting killed while going into vents to getting killed while going through a random door.
The rest of my post was unrelated to that.
ah, ic, I misunderstood that
but imho there shouldn't be a difference between going through a door and going through a vent
it takes control away from the player and that's rarely a good thing
Only just seen the vid, but man, that kills immersion, but I can imagine why they opted for this approach: regular wallwalking would get you stuck on the edges I guess.
This part of the gameplay is truly screwed up IMO.
First of all the animation simply sucks, it's like you teleport from a side to the other one.
Secondly, there's no way to choose where you land for example as seen in the video the ALIEN went off the vent and fall on the ground where 2 marines where searching for something. Fortunately thus dumb AI didn't notice it but imagine the Marines are just down the vent. It's a trap if you get out the vent since you can't just get out and walk directly on the ceiling.
The transition is clearly scripted and I hate that, it removes player freedom to do whatever they want in the game. No more tactics and multiple options, they almost tell you what to do.
AJL also resumed well this vent transition.
The transition with pressing a button would be ok if it wasn't that badly responsive. The alien player in the video had problems getting the command line 'press X to enter vent' because he really had to be near the entrance and aim at it properly.
Would be cool if the alien could target the vent from a distance and press a 'special enter vent button' to leap in it.
But it's no biggy. We'll adapt.
Quote from: Swizzly64 on Jan 21, 2010, 09:33:50 PM
But it's no biggy. We'll adapt.
nicely put! its amazing how 2 words can just solve a huge dispute ;D. and no thats not sarcasm :)
Doesn't solve anything and it means that we have to adapt to a shitty gameplay.
I assume that also an alien must stop and enter a vent slower than usual.
It adds a tiny bit of realism.
I don't mind the transition thing. I understand why people do, but it wont take long (at all) to get used to it and transition seamlessly.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediafire.com%2Fimgbnc.php%2Fdb25eeca2fdb31ddbeb28c6da7392b8c5g.jpg&hash=be7854aecd16a4fb85311f44aaab39bd5d9ecfeb)
They could have made it so that instead of initiating automated movement, selecting
vent opening would lock player movement direction into kind of turus that goes through
the vent opening... so forward would go through, backward would pull back and strafing
movement would circle around the opening... and when you go all the way through or
pull all the way back you return back to normal movement style...
But... Even this kind of system should be only optional... players still should be able to
go through those vent openings the good old fashioned way...
I'm sure we'll adapt no matter how it works...
But for me, i hope we at least get to chose:
Auto-leap into vents,
- or simply run up to the vent as we chose and enter it without anything doing it for us.
Wow, AJL, that would really be nice!
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 21, 2010, 09:28:08 PM
This part of the gameplay is truly screwed up IMO.
First of all the animation simply sucks, it's like you teleport from a side to the other one.
Secondly, there's no way to choose where you land for example as seen in the video the ALIEN went off the vent and fall on the ground where 2 marines where searching for something. Fortunately thus dumb AI didn't notice it but imagine the Marines are just down the vent. It's a trap if you get out the vent since you can't just get out and walk directly on the ceiling.
The transition is clearly scripted and I hate that, it removes player freedom to do whatever they want in the game. No more tactics and multiple options, they almost tell you what to do.
AJL also resumed well this vent transition.
I agree the animation itself is pretty bad. You stop for half a second, shoot up, do a 180, then appear again. It just looks very strange. I also agree it's annoying you can't choose where you land, when he landed on the ground in front of the marines, what if he still wanted to be on the ceiling? ::) I hope Rebellion sees this thread. ::) I also hope we get more footage like this of Alien gameplay so we can look at it further and critique it even more! ;D
edit: Did you also notice that the alien player fell on top of two marines and they... had a heart attack and just flopped lifelessly to the ground? What was up with that? Did the force of the alien falling on top of them kill them? Please explain.
Quote from: VEF214 on Jan 21, 2010, 09:59:56 PM
::) I hope Rebellion sees this thread. ::)
Like they'd care.
Eh... if it feels wrong in-game then I'll complain, but till then I don't care too much.
Well, just saw the 10 minutes gameplay video..
And yeah, it was not the pc version, but indeed, they alien did really "crash" into an invisible wall, and was forced to push the "enter vent" button.
Sometimes it looked liked it had trouble doing so as well. And it also looked like the guy couldnt crawl a 90 degree wall, he walked up to it and had to push a button. Hmm..
Again, hopefully the pc version wont feel so "noobish" :P
Quote from: EC jay on Jan 21, 2010, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 09:05:50 PM
Are you that bad of a player that when you know you're coming up to a vent you want to go through, after going through hundreds before it, you're not going to be able to hit A fast enough that its fluid.
Cause from the looks of it, the animation is just as fast as if you did just go through it normal.
So the problem is you're not very good at playing games right?
hahahaha, oh wow
if only you played against me :D
no, that's not what I'm saying, at all
AJL's post sum it up pretty nicely what I'm worried about
and that's having LESS control
as I said before, it may be good for beginning players that are still learning how to play alien, but NOT for experienced players
your posts make me wonder if you've ever played avp tbh (alien that is)
Both AVP's, more so the original. Pretty much only played as Alien, with Marine every once and awhile.
Flaming aside, I think I just see a lot of possibilities with the new setup, and I'm not blinded by other game's influence. Yeah other games do things a certain way, but I see this as a new game doing new things.
Same thing with the whole crouch argument. Of course crouching is useful in other games, but I haven't played THIS game, so how can I bitch that it is no longer in it?
No, that guy was just bad at at. There isn't an invisible wall before the vent. Thats why there is an 'enter vent' button; so you can crawl over or choose to go in.
You do have to push a button to transition from wall to wall though. Playing it, it took me less than a minute to get used to it and do it fluidly.
It doesn't bother me. Like I mentioned in the other thread, thanks to technological advancements, they are able to treat the Alien like a real creatures. So instead of it being like a floating camera that flies along the walls, the Alien will actually use it's limbs to pull itself into it.
This vent transition is the Alien's version of the Predator's focus jump and I'm sure it will save a lot of peoples hides, even if you now complain about it. Imagine standing in a corridor while a Marine his unloading is pulse rifle on you. The only way to escape is through a vent. Now without that Focus jump, you'd have to run along the walls and then disappear into the vent. Those seconds that you need to run down the corridor and up to the vent could mean the difference between life and death. But now all you have to do is look at it, press jump and you'll disappear into the vent. Is it simple? Sure. But don't tell me it's not very Alien like to be able to quickly leap around and to disappear like a wraith.
Quote from: Dusk on Jan 21, 2010, 10:26:40 PM
It doesn't bother me. Like I mentioned in the other thread, thanks to technological advancements, they are able to treat the Alien like a real creatures. So instead of it being like a floating camera that flies along the walls, the Alien will actually use it's limbs to pull itself into it.
This vent transition is the Alien's version of the Predator's focus jump and I'm sure it will save a lot of peoples hides, even if you now complain about it. Imagine standing in a corridor while a Marine his unloading his pulse rifle on you. The only way to escape is through a vent. Now without that Focus jump, you'd have to run along the walls and then disappear into the vent. Those seconds that you need to run down the corridor and up to the vent could mean the difference between life and death. But now all you have to do is look at it, press jump and you'll disappear into the vent. Is it simple? Sure. But don't tell me it's not very Alien like to be able to quickly leap around and to disappear like a wraith.
Oooh, I didn't think about it that way. :o
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 21, 2010, 10:21:56 PM
No, that guy was just bad at at. There isn't an invisible wall before the vent. Thats why there is an 'enter vent' button; so you can crawl over or choose to go in.
You do have to push a button to transition from wall to wall though. Playing it, it took me less than a minute to get used to it and do it fluidly.
So if there's no "wall", you can crawl into it at your own pace then? Or chose to "auto jump" into it.
People always love to complain how everything get's dumbed down and simplified for the console crowd. The way they should look at this is them smoothing down the flow of gameplay and giving you the best possible Alien experience.
So instead of pressing crouch+jump to leap, then possibly missing the vent opening and crashing face first into the wall, which doesn't make you feel like the badass Alien that you're playing, all you need is one button and you'll be making smooth transitions from vent to vent. Like someone else mantioned in another thread, you'll be able to zig-zag from surface to surface and become unpreditable with some good practice. And this is what the Alien is all about, isn't it?
And like I said in the other thread the "floating camera syndrome" can be fixed with just adding the animation (there go mah handz omg).
And about escaping, instead of the perfect leap that the game will do for me I prefer to do it on my own. If I miss it I die, try again.
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 21, 2010, 10:21:42 PM
Both AVP's, more so the original. Pretty much only played as Alien, with Marine every once and awhile.
Flaming aside, I think I just see a lot of possibilities with the new setup, and I'm not blinded by other game's influence. Yeah other games do things a certain way, but I see this as a new game doing new things.
Same thing with the whole crouch argument. Of course crouching is useful in other games, but I haven't played THIS game, so how can I bitch that it is no longer in it?
I'm not trying to flame
and yes, there are alot of possibilities with this, but from what I can see in the gameplayvid it was executed poorly
even if it was as nice and smooth as they wanted it to be, I'd STILL want it to be optional simply because no matter how smooth it LOOKS, it takes away from your freedom and breaks immersion, even if it is only for a second
but that's just my opinion
Quote from: Dusk on Jan 21, 2010, 10:40:14 PM
People always love to complain how everything get's dumbed down and simplified for the console crowd. The way they should look at this is them SLOWING down the flow of gameplay and giving you a lesser Alien experience.
fixed
Quote from: Dusk on Jan 21, 2010, 10:40:14 PM
So instead of pressing crouch+jump to leap, then possibly missing the vent opening and crashing face first into the wall, which doesn't make you feel like the badass Alien that you're playing, all you need is one button and you'll be making smooth transitions from vent to vent. Like someone else mantioned in another thread, you'll be able to zig-zag from surface to surface and become unpreditable with some good practice. And this is what the Alien is all about, isn't it?
imho it'd make me feel more like the 'badass alien' if I was the one manually crawling into the vent
if you have a fighting game and they add a button 'kill everyone in this room' do you still feel like the 'badass fighter'?
also, about the zigzagging
without the transition button I'd be zigzagging across the ceiling, walls and floors, and THAT is what the alien is all about
Quote from: DuskSo instead of pressing crouch+jump to leap, then possibly missing the vent opening and crashing face first into the wall
Yeah that's where is the problem IMO.
You don't need skill to press "X" (or maybe is it that hard?)
Like Predator jump, you can never miss it, you're just some super hero without skill which got all the necessary assistance to be a god.
That's the problem, and it's not a potential way to play ALIEN and PREDATOR since thus 2 species are very specific and weren't designed to be easy. You need to be an ALIEN & a PREDATOR in your mind.
ALIENS & PREDATOR aren't heroes, they can fail.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 21, 2010, 10:21:56 PM
No, that guy was just bad at at. There isn't an invisible wall before the vent. Thats why there is an 'enter vent' button; so you can crawl over or choose to go in.
You do have to push a button to transition from wall to wall though. Playing it, it took me less than a minute to get used to it and do it fluidly.
So what if you force to walk into another wall without pressing ? Your alien will just keep walking to the wall ? Or if you walk with an angle will he slide aside the wall ? Oo
I dotn see it how it this useful. I see only negative side of that...
About vents, dunno...
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 21, 2010, 10:54:50 PM
You need to be an ALIEN & a PREDATOR in your mind.
I think this goes into direction of being elitist.
"First you you need to meditate and then focus and channel your inner Alien/Predator. And only once you managed to perform this 10 button combination of complex movements, shall you call yourself a worthy gamer."
way to miss the point ::)
Quote from: Brother on Jan 21, 2010, 10:40:43 PM
And like I said in the other thread the "floating camera syndrome" can be fixed with just adding the animation (there go mah handz omg).
And about escaping, instead of the perfect leap that the game will do for me I prefer to do it on my own. If I miss it I die, try again.
Very well said Brother.
Exactly my opinion. I was able to pull off from wall to wall jumps as alien with my pounce and wall walk button alone (in order to stick from surface to surface ;) ) and all this with a tech (physics and engine) which is nearly 10 years old in AvP 2s MP ;). You can try this for yourself if you do not believe me.
What Brother means is SKILL and SKILL is what makes you the bada** alien you want to be and NOT the game itself, cause quite frankly I do not want that the game makes me bada** but MY SKILL makes me bada**.
Guys in terms of MP SKILL is what should make you THE Predator or THE alien or THE marine and not some fancy transitions or moves. They of course should be there for the consoles but for PC you should have the possibility to deactivate it, hence playing with more skill ;).
Thats how you will learn a game as you need to make it yourself not so easy in terms of movement cause out of movement comes new ways and ideas of dodging etc. . You will not learn dodging and new ways of it if the game takes all the skill for you before you even need to think ;).
Quote from: Dusk on Jan 21, 2010, 11:03:07 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 21, 2010, 10:54:50 PM
You need to be an ALIEN & a PREDATOR in your mind.
I think this goes into direction of being elitist.
"First you you need to meditate and then focus and channel your inner Alien/Predator. And only once you managed to perform this 10 button combination of complex movements, shall you call yourself a worthy gamer."
I ain't. Rebellion tried to simplified the gameplay of the species and it's unrealistic.
The entire game is scripted and I don't like it. Accidents will never happens and you're about to follow from A to Z what Rebellion wanted you to do. You can't actually choose as AJL said previously to get partially into the vent and then turn back if you want to escape because the situation probably changed.
When you press X, your destiny is certain and if you fall on the ground and face a marine who aim you with a rocket, you're dead.
Just watched the gameplay again, and I do have a slight problem with you being able to leap from the ground into the vent. Its not a huge deal, but I would rather have the alien have to do that manually. Not a huge deal though.
;)
The main problem its not be be allowed to get out of the vent with a 90º turn...sometimes the guy just press "x", and the alien falls to the floor.
Anybody think that maybe the guy sucked or just wasn't used to the "flow" of playing as an alien yet?
If it was the same person playing as the marine bumping into walls and incapable of finding his way around shelves then we can probably assume that playing as an alien was a little harder to grasp...
I'd say wait to try it out in the demo before making final judgments.
Welcome to casualfied handholding. Rebellion's been rather plain and up front about whom they're appealing to and why they feel it's necessary to do so. Again, yelling about it after the fact is pretty pointless, unless SEGA plans on funding Rebellion for the next couple of years. [Hint: They don't, and iterative design isn't on the whiteboard.] Secondly, I haven't seen anyone with an afterthought level of skill.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 21, 2010, 10:21:56 PM
No, that guy was just bad at at. There isn't an invisible wall before the vent. Thats why there is an 'enter vent' button; so you can crawl over or choose to go in.
You do have to push a button to transition from wall to wall though. Playing it, it took me less than a minute to get used to it and do it fluidly.
It seemed like he walked up to it and was stopped by something... I wish I could play the game myself and see. ;D
I'd just like to say that I like the "auto entry" option but to not be able to go through a damn hole on your feet would be plain annoying.
Damn, gaming ain't what it used to be anymore.
All of us who played the previous games a lot on PC have to get used to the fact it's targeted primarily at a new generation of younger fans, mostly console gamers who got acquainted with the franchise by AvP movies. I am not trying to insult anyone, this is how things are today and it seems we have no choice but to play a game which is different and much more user friendly, so Rebellion and SEGA can bring new fans in and make moar benjamins.
"Consoles. That's where the money is."
That one would look great on a t-shirt.
Did anyone play Batman: Arkham Asylum?
So annoying opening vents by penetrating the space bar..
Quote from: Swizzly64 on Jan 22, 2010, 02:14:52 PM
Did anyone play Batman: Arkham Asylum?
So annoying opening vents by penetrating the space bar..
I see what you did there...lol
Okay, after watching the gameplay video again, I can completely understand why it would frustrate some peeps.
Theoretically though, is it possible with all this hand holding and crap, the game could be better than a game like UT where it's all you.
I'm not sucking off the developers here, I'm asking a serious question.
Is it possible, by holding your hand and making some areas more casual and easy, that that might let some other area of the gameplay excel that wouldn't normally.
I don't expect anyone to actually be open minded, but it would be nice.
Quote from: Puks on Jan 22, 2010, 12:53:51 PM
Damn, gaming ain't what it used to be anymore.
All of us who played the previous games a lot on PC have to get used to the fact it's targeted primarily at a new generation of younger fans, mostly console gamers who got acquainted with the franchise by AvP movies. I am not trying to insult anyone, this is how things are today and it seems we have no choice but to play a game which is different and much more user friendly, so Rebellion and SEGA can bring new fans in and make moar benjamins.
"Consoles. That's where the money is."
True and Rebellion or Sega can't really be blamed for going that way. The economy sucks and we have a generation of kids with the attention span of chipmunks. *waves cane*
@ giger incubator
i suppose its possible but it would be really hit or miss with that besides i would probably be too frustrated with the constant hand holding to notice what ever it is that they want to bring out by babysitting me.
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Jan 22, 2010, 02:37:16 PM
I don't expect anyone to actually be open minded, but it would be nice.
There are lots of open minded people out there... Many too much so...
Be open minded but not so much so that your brains fall out...
i'll just live with it
The whole vent thing is hardly hand-holding (except maybe the ground to vent jump. I'd still prefer that be manual). Otherwise its just the same as using the action button to enter a door.
I actually like the button press so I can choose to crawl over a vent or go in (without having to change course to go around it). Of course, that is why there has to be the ground to vent jump to. Since the vent is now treated like a closed door you can't jump into it from the ground and there has to be a button press. I think it would be better though if you at least had to jump towards the vent from the ground and you would have to trigger "enter vent" while in the air towards it. That way it isn't completely auto and leaves room for mistakes (as well as rewarding more skilled players who can fluidly execute such a move).
aren't Aliens supposed to be able to see humans through walls??? wouldn't that turn the "alien gets killed cuz of cut-scenes theory into "Alien sees Marine waiting outisde of vent, Alien waits for Marine to turn around, Alien "exits vent" and Alien goes for the kill??
wait a minute... why am I gonna waste time arguing over something I've yet to try?? :D
Quote from: RealKreator on Jan 22, 2010, 05:07:42 PM
aren't Aliens supposed to be able to see humans through walls??? wouldn't that turn the "alien gets killed cuz of cut-scenes theory into "Alien sees Marine waiting outisde of vent, Alien waits for Marine to turn around, Alien "exits vent" and Alien goes for the kill??
wait a minute... why am I gonna waste time arguing over something I've yet to try?? :D
Well I guess you are forgetting the nice beeping thing a human has and even if you are trying to hide in the vent as long as you move and play against a smart human he will know that you as an ALIEN of course are in the vent due to the beep on his tracker and he will either wait til you go out or will watch his back when he walks by the vent in order to catch you before you catch him off guard ;).
Big Edit: The Problem is Eidotemit (though I do not know whether they watched it that much indepth from the gameplay perspective) and thats how it was in AvP 2s MP that when you as alien walked around and for example on stronghold walked in the tunnel down low (you had 4 levels there by the way, the tunnels, the ground level where the APC is, the upper section and last but not least the roof with the antenna where a lot of aliens walked around ;) ) and were with one single marine on the map it was quite easy for the marine to locate you even if you tried to minimize walking so that you could easily ambush the human. If I now would tell you this you would get tricks which usually just top end players know about.
However trust me even if you do not move a tracker can sometimes locate you as long as you
sometimes do move and for this the human does not necessarily need to see you nor track you directly with the MT ;) ... .
... a tip "fading signals" as well as map knowledge are the big points to remember, though I do not know whether the devs have thought about this in the latest installment as I said above, especially regarding the first thing which is very important to consider and even to work for this tactic to fight a solitary elite alien ;).
This of course also works with more people in the server but needs a bit more attention then.
However like I said I will not tell it you cause its knowledge that you need to learn over a considerable amount of time hence no explanation this time around ;).
Like I said if this is in and I am nearly 80% sure that it will be in you will be dead as an alien if you are in the vent even if you try to minimize moving in it ;).
I think you are underestimating smart, adaptable and fast players here ;).
Trackers don't go off if you don't move.
And I doubt the wall of text filled with ;) ;) ;) ;) and Im Elite chatter will get you anywhere Tomar.
Anyway I dont really like the fact that we have to "Press button to enter" as aliens by the vents, this is just another little thing like the no crouch that makes me feel worse about the game..
Rebellion should have made it so that every time you wanted to move, a prompt would come up. "Press X to move left leg."
Quote from: RumorControl on Jan 22, 2010, 08:29:23 PM
Rebellion should have made it so that every time you wanted to move, a prompt would come up. "Press X to move left leg."
Haha, LT for left leg and RT for right leg.
LTRTLTRTLTRTLTRTLTRT
Quote from: Caosss on Jan 22, 2010, 06:36:15 PM
And I doubt the wall of text filled with ;) ;) ;) ;) and Im Elite chatter will get you anywhere Tomar.
...
hmm... once more my "Im Elite chatter" was not meant in any way offensivly towards anybody then just how it is. I mean I am not better then you at gaming or anybody for that matter. To be honest I did not play AvP 2s MP since already a month if not longer due to the exams I needed to write and the work and the corresponding preparation time etc. ... .
Its not that I want to look like the "absolute player" here as I do not need this nor want it cause its after all just a game but I simply refuse to say certain things cause they have taken some time to be found out by me and some others and therefore other people should find those for themselves. Just because I am wrapping those "secrets" or how I would rather call it indepth informations up in a like you call it "Im Elite chatter" does not make me any better or do you feel yourself challenged or even addressed by this?!
Well if you do its not my fault sorry, as I did not meant it this way but I have said it enough times now.
Quote from: VEF214 on Jan 22, 2010, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: RumorControl on Jan 22, 2010, 08:29:23 PM
Rebellion should have made it so that every time you wanted to move, a prompt would come up. "Press X to move left leg."
Haha, LT for left leg and RT for right leg.
LTRTLTRTLTRTLTRTLTRT
And if u press LT twice in a row , u fall down and lose 99 of ur hp
Haha, LT for left leg and RT for right leg.
LTRTLTRTLTRTLTRTLTRT
Quote from: VEF214 on Jan 22, 2010, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: RumorControl on Jan 22, 2010, 08:29:23 PM
Rebellion should have made it so that every time you wanted to move, a prompt would come up. "Press X to move left leg."
Haha, LT for left leg and RT for right leg.
LTRTLTRTLTRTLTRTLTRT
I have Ghostbusters 2 (Dos) flashbacks now...
Remember how the statue of Liberty moved? :P
Reading back through some older posts, I read a very good point.
Aliens can sense both Preds and Marines, from a fair distance, can't they? So which dumbass would jump into a vent when they are in plain sight of enemies!
Quote from: Tomar on Jan 22, 2010, 09:48:12 PM
Quote from: Caosss on Jan 22, 2010, 06:36:15 PM
And I doubt the wall of text filled with ;) ;) ;) ;) and Im Elite chatter will get you anywhere Tomar.
...
Another wall of text.
Seriously, no offense but you type way too much. I was just trying to get through that pretty much all of the posts I see from you does not need to be more than 2 sentences long. Cause thats how much "ontopic stuff" you put into your posts, and the rest is just alot of "Im good Im better Im best". I dont feel offended by this in anyway but it annoys me that you have this need to do these long posts with just a few things that concerns the actual subject being discussed (thats my opinion anyway, Im sorry if you feel offended or anything, but could you tone it down to say 10 sentences instead of a 100 if you really Need to do these posts?)
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 23, 2010, 06:27:08 PM
Reading back through some older posts, I read a very good point.
Aliens can sense both Preds and Marines, from a fair distance, can't they? So which dumbass would jump into a vent when they are in plain sight of enemies!
Well, maybe you want to escape or something in SP, but I don't see that happening in MP because it is MP is too fast and does not matter if you die as an Alien because you can come back with out any consequences.
BTW, I didn't see too many vids with the Alien jumping into and out of vents, but do we know if the player gets hurt during this "cutscene"? ???
I cant imagine it being any different then Shattered Horizons attatch to surface ability which isnt a bad idea at all! To be honest I think it'll be faster with the ability to press a button to leap to the wall rather then to free run up it.
Besides its probably only certain walls, didnt you people watch any of the multiplayer footage with the player free running on walls!?
Quote from: predalien27 on Jan 23, 2010, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 23, 2010, 06:27:08 PM
Reading back through some older posts, I read a very good point.
Aliens can sense both Preds and Marines, from a fair distance, can't they? So which dumbass would jump into a vent when they are in plain sight of enemies!
Well, maybe you want to escape or something in SP, but I don't see that happening in MP because it is too fast and does not matter if you die as an Alien.
BTW, I didn't see too many vids with the Alien jumping into and out of vents, but do we know if the player gets hurt during this "cutscene"? ???
I don't even remember seeing any vents in MP.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 23, 2010, 08:22:17 PM
Quote from: predalien27 on Jan 23, 2010, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 23, 2010, 06:27:08 PM
Reading back through some older posts, I read a very good point.
Aliens can sense both Preds and Marines, from a fair distance, can't they? So which dumbass would jump into a vent when they are in plain sight of enemies!
Well, maybe you want to escape or something in SP, but I don't see that happening in MP because it is too fast and does not matter if you die as an Alien.
BTW, I didn't see too many vids with the Alien jumping into and out of vents, but do we know if the player gets hurt during this "cutscene"? ???
I don't even remember seeing any vents in MP.
An avp game without vents?
:o
The only maps I played with the alien on were outdoors.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 23, 2010, 08:46:46 PM
The only maps I played with the alien on were outdoors.
Saving the best for last.
Quote from: VEF214 on Jan 23, 2010, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 23, 2010, 08:46:46 PM
The only maps I played with the alien on were outdoors.
Saving the best for last.
Outdoor maps are where the Alien excel the least!
In the past maybe, but they were able to top the boards here.
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 23, 2010, 06:27:08 PM
Aliens can sense both Preds and Marines, from a fair distance, can't they? So which
dumbass would jump into a vent when they are in plain sight of enemies!
I am not sure what your talking about exactly...
Situation:
There is a big Room with Alien in it and a Vent which leads away from there.
And there are Enemies, about to blow that alien to smithereens... (There is
no way that alien could fight them and survive...)
But only a dumbass alien would try to escape through that vent and live to
fight another day... ??
No vents in MP? The use mechanic wont be annoying us there then.
Quote from: AJL on Jan 23, 2010, 09:18:22 PM
Quote from: Xenodog on Jan 23, 2010, 06:27:08 PM
Aliens can sense both Preds and Marines, from a fair distance, can't they? So which
dumbass would jump into a vent when they are in plain sight of enemies!
I am not sure what your talking about exactly...
Situation:
There is a big Room with Alien in it and a Vent which leads away from there.
And there are Enemies, about to blow that alien to smithereens... (There is
no way that alien could fight them and survive...)
But only a dumbass alien would try to escape through that vent and live to
fight another day... ??
No, I meant it as only a dumbass Alien would leave themselves open to attack. (During the animation.)
And you could still dodge.out-maneuver/outrun the attacks.
I think I saw quite a few vents in the 1v1 Predator match. That seemed to be a good level for the Aliens.
I don't have a problem with the "enter vent" button, but the "transistion" button concerns me. I used to really enjoy corkscrewing down hallways.
Quote from: thrown_hammer on Jan 23, 2010, 10:33:18 PM
I don't have a problem with the "enter vent" button, but the "transistion" button concerns me. I used to really enjoy corkscrewing down hallways.
You'll be able to do that but you will have to press many more buttons. :-\
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jan 23, 2010, 10:36:58 PM
Quote from: thrown_hammer on Jan 23, 2010, 10:33:18 PM
I don't have a problem with the "enter vent" button, but the "transistion" button concerns me. I used to really enjoy corkscrewing down hallways.
You'll be able to do that but you will have to press many more buttons. :-\
Yeah that's why it concerns me... ;D
My problem is not so much with the need to select the Vent to enter/exit
(Though I don't like that either) but mostly I am concerned about the loss
of control, and mostly while exiting the vent and entering some room...
Hypothetical Situation:
There is a room with one door and one vent opening on the ceilings, and there
are few marines camping in there ready to kill what ever try to come through the
door... So I decide to try and sneak in through the vent at the ceilings...
In AvP1/2:
I crawl through the vent and to the ceiling of the room with the marines, I then
crawl to the wall behind them and down to the ground and then and... rip them
apart of something... or die trying...
In AvP(3):
I crawl through the vent to the point where it opens up to the room with the
marines and I activate the opening... My "auto pilot" kicks in... It moves my bug
through the opening and with my luck drops down to the ground and parks my
bug right in front of those marines... followed by some alien dying screams...
Quote from: AJL on Jan 23, 2010, 11:21:09 PM
My problem is not so much with the need to select the Vent to enter/exit
(Though I don't like that either) but mostly I am concerned about the loss
of control, and mostly while exiting the vent and entering some room...
Hypothetical Situation:
There is a room with one door and one vent opening on the ceilings, and there
are few marines camping in there ready to kill what ever try to come through the
door... So I decide to try and sneak in through the vent at the ceilings...
In AvP1/2:
I crawl through the vent and to the ceiling of the room with the marines, I then
crawl to the wall behind them and down to the ground and then and... rip them
apart of something... or die trying...
In AvP(3):
I crawl through the vent to the point where it opens up to the room with the
marines and I activate the opening... My "auto pilot" kicks in... It moves my bug
through the opening and with my luck drops down to the ground and parks my
bug right in front of those marines... followed by some alien dying screams...
Based on what we've seen, all I can say is you have to wait for a pred to spread them up, depending on the game mode.
Quote from: predalien27 on Jan 23, 2010, 11:46:29 PM
Based on what we've seen, all I can say is you have to wait for a pred to spread them up, depending on the game mode.
There shouldn't be a dependacy for the pred to spread them out in the first place.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 23, 2010, 09:01:41 PM
In the past maybe, but they were able to top the boards here.
It's a good point.
Open, dark environments with lots of cover lend themselves well to the Alien, since it can attack from unpredictable angles. On the other hand, corridor-laden maps are much more forgiving towards the Marines, considering that assailants only have two or three options in terms of attack route.
Quote from: thrown_hammer on Jan 23, 2010, 10:33:18 PM
I don't have a problem with the "enter vent" button, but the "transistion" button concerns me. I used to really enjoy corkscrewing down hallways.
I saw someone do that in one of the alien videos. It was a complete corkscrew mind you, but the player didn't seem to have and trouble with it.
The player went from ceiling, to wall, to floor in what looked like one smooth movement. And then mauled a civillian.
Quote from: l3awl3ag on Jan 24, 2010, 01:43:33 AM
Quote from: thrown_hammer on Jan 23, 2010, 10:33:18 PM
I don't have a problem with the "enter vent" button, but the "transistion" button concerns me. I used to really enjoy corkscrewing down hallways.
I saw someone do that in one of the alien videos. It was a complete corkscrew mind you, but the player didn't seem to have and trouble with it.
The player went from ceiling, to wall, to floor in what looked like one smooth movement. And then mauled a civillian.
I'm for anything that ends with a civilian being mauled.
Quote from: l3awl3ag on Jan 24, 2010, 01:43:33 AM
It was a complete corkscrew mind you, but the player didn't seem to have and trouble with it.
The player went from ceiling, to wall, to floor in what looked like one smooth movement.
Sounds really good, it was one of my worries. You dont happen to have a link to/remember which video it was do you? Id like to see it, but I understand if you cant remember it :P
Maybe you can hold down the transition button. This would help a lot.
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jan 24, 2010, 03:59:55 PM
Maybe you can hold down the transition button. This would help a lot.
Yea I was thinking of something like this, it wouldnt bother me as much then.
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jan 24, 2010, 03:59:55 PM
Maybe you can hold down the transition button. This would help a lot.
QFT
...quote for truth...
What is Transition
I don't mind the button to enter the vent. I think the precise leap and daring escape is very alien like.
HOWEVER
I will chime in that a button to EXIT the vent is possibly bullshit.
BUT
Perhaps you can combo the the "exit vent" with another button in order to stick to the wall instead of dropping out? That shouldn't be hard to program... right? RIGHT?
I'll admit that the whole, enter a vent button made me rather nervous, especially when you need to press the button to exit a vent. Makes me feel abit uneasy, I don't see why it was needed really. Sure it attempts to make things easier for the console player, but it still looks like it could be rather awkward.
Ah well, we shall see soon enough =)
It actually is trying to make it easier on the keyboard player.
Not really, it's going to be more complicated for consoles to enter vents without the mechanic. Learning to do it is part of the fun.
Quote from: Brother on Jan 31, 2010, 11:46:12 PM
Not really, it's going to be more complicated for consoles to enter vents without the mechanic. Learning to do it is part of the fun.
How'd you figure that?
Which one didn't you get, the console part or the learning part?
The console part. The learning I can get behind.
I think this "Enter Vent" and "Transition" mechanic is there to make it easier for everyone. I just want to know why you think it's going to be harder for someone using one platform and easier for the other.
Some complex movements in the game will be hard to preform on a controller, the mechanic is making it simple. True that it makes it easier for everyone.
ok, so maybe this has been said before...
About transitioning - I'dd rather only have to press RT and hold it down to climb on a wall or ceiling or whatever...RT would be used as a "stick to wall" button, like in AVP1 and 2. Simply letting go of the RT would make you fall back to the floor.
about the enter vent - obviously, if the vent is on the ground or on a wall that you are currently walking on, I believe it should be more simple if you could walk in and out freely. But, looking at the video, if youre on the ground and a vent is on a ceiling, its way easier to enter it by tapping A button than it is to jump, stick to the ceiling, then walk in it freely. I think the A button scheme is a "aim-shoot" way of getting in the vent without doing the "jump-stick to ceiling-enter vent" manually. Having said that, if you are walking in a cramped space, and want to walk on the other side of a hole in the vent shaft, then it would be impossible to do so if you would freely enter or exit the hole without pressing a command.
In conclusion, any opening steming out of a wall (vertical wall) should be freely accessed or exited, while any opening from a floor (unless you want to drop in the vent, not drop out of it) or ceiling should be a VERY QUICK animation.
Just my opinion.
Quote from: Brother on Feb 01, 2010, 12:49:32 AM
Some complex movements in the game will be hard to preform on a controller, the mechanic is making it simple. True that it makes it easier for everyone.
I've never come across any movement that can be done with a mouse that can't be done with a controller.
Ill just put the sensitivity to insane, like i do on every fps shooter
Quote from: Giger_Incubator on Feb 01, 2010, 06:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brother on Feb 01, 2010, 12:49:32 AM
Some complex movements in the game will be hard to preform on a controller, the mechanic is making it simple. True that it makes it easier for everyone.
I've never come across any movement that can be done with a mouse that can't be done with a controller.
I think someone confused aiming better for moving better.
I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but is it possible that the transition command is for balancing purposes? I mean they are incredible fast right, so shooting them will be kind of difficult right? So if an alien has to escape isn't it fair that the marine gets a chance to kill them if they are escaping? Just like if a marine tries to escape then an alien or predator could just grab them and trophy kill them (I'm assuming so anyway).
Just thinking that it might be that, although the more and more i think about that the more stupid it sounds because realistically marines should not stand a chance against an alien right? I dunno, what you guys think?