At the beggining of the movie when the predator enters the room with all those guys in it, why does he killed them they weren't attacking him? ???
They were all holding weapons, the moment you even carry a real weapon, well, you're finished.
Blain didn't attack the Predator in the first Movie and he still got a plasma bolt through his chest.
Like ShadowPred said, once you carry a weapon, you're fair game.
Well in AVP the pred tried to kill sebastian and lex.
Quote from: predatorX on Jun 28, 2007, 03:41:14 PM
Well in AVP the pred tried to kill sebastian and lex.
I concluded in some other thread that the hono-code is non existant in blooding rituals.
They had his plasma caster. What was he supposed to do? Nicely ask them to hand it over?
I think if you either carry a weapon or got something that belongs to a Predator, you're pretty much ****ed. They'd probably be considered collateral damage, because he wouldn't be killing them for trophies, he just wants his tuff back.
Celtic was just looking at Sebastian. Remember he punched Celtic in the stomach..hahaha. That was a threatening gesture. Lex tried to hit celtic with the ice axe...that was a no-no...
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 28, 2007, 03:46:41 PM
Celtic was just looking at Sebastian. Remember he punched Celtic in the stomach..hahaha. That was a threatening gesture. Lex tried to hit celtic with the ice axe...that was a no-no...
I am thinking that Pred X is talking about Scar, if not, well masterchief clearly explained it
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=2189.0
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 28, 2007, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 28, 2007, 03:46:41 PM
Celtic was just looking at Sebastian. Remember he punched Celtic in the stomach..hahaha. That was a threatening gesture. Lex tried to hit celtic with the ice axe...that was a no-no...
I am thinking that Pred X is talking about Scar, if not, well masterchief clearly explained it
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=2189.0
Yeah i was talking about when scar threw the shuriken at sebastian.
oh, ok...well check out shadowpred's thread...I agree with what they say.
In P2 when Danny goes to the room where the voodo guys were, the predator kills him and he didn't have a weapon.
All the Jamaicans had weapons....if you are talking about Danny, then yes..he pulled out a gun when he was being pulled up by the predator.
He didn't Before he got pulled.
Well he pulled out a gun, Danny got startled and fell, the predator grabbed him (helping him?) then when he pulled out his gun...dead.
Quote from: predatorX on Jun 28, 2007, 04:03:53 PM
He didn't Before he got pulled.
Danny fell, the Pred caught his leg, then Danny pulls the gun and the Pred pulls Danny.
The predator could see Danny's gun through his vision right. All he did was wait for him to pull it out.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 28, 2007, 04:15:24 PM
The predator could see Danny's gun through his vision right. All he did was wait for him to pull it out.
There you go Predator X...although i have to see if he did see his gun through his heat vision. ;D
;D
Plus P2 was watching Harrigan and his crew from the start. He knew then that they were all wielding weapons.
Not only did Danny pull out his gun but he also fired two shots at the Predator. No wonder he got killed.
What about the part when he locked on that kid in the cemetery? He was about to blow him away. The kid was lucky he took the time to check the weapon, cuz if P2 was in panic mode, that kid would've been history. P2 had honor.
alright I get it.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 28, 2007, 04:19:26 PM
;D
Plus P2 was watching Harrigan and his crew from the start. He knew then that they were all wielding weapons.
LOL...they were all f'd the moment he laid eyes on them.
Quote from: predatorX on Jun 28, 2007, 03:30:55 PM
At the beggining of the movie when the predator enters the room with all those guys in it, why does he killed them they weren't attacking him? ???
Or is just Paul anderson bullshit?
I agree with the 'gun carrying' reason, but it could also be explained by the fact that the Predators were trying to contain the Alien menace by reducing the potential hosts... why then would Celtic attack Lex, Weyland and Sebastian... and why did Scar kill Quinn when he was lying defenseless on the ground...?
??? ;)
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Jun 30, 2007, 03:18:51 PM
Quote from: predatorX on Jun 28, 2007, 03:30:55 PM
At the beggining of the movie when the predator enters the room with all those guys in it, why does he killed them they weren't attacking him? ???
Or is just Paul anderson bullshit?
I agree with the 'gun carrying' reason, but it could also be explained by the fact that the Predators were trying to contain the Alien menace by reducing the potential hosts... why then would Celtic attack Lex, Weyland and Sebastian... and why did Scar kill Quinn when he was lying defenseless on the ground...?
??? ;)
Quinn had already shot Celtic with the gun..so I am guessing Scar saw this and then later killed him. And the reason Celtic attacked Lex, Sebastian, and Weyland...is on the first page of this thread.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 28, 2007, 04:19:26 PM
;D
Plus P2 was watching Harrigan and his crew from the start. He knew then that they were all wielding weapons.
Yes, but in Predator 2 subway scene, the Predator only attacked when everyone draw their weapons (kinda unrealistic scene to have everybody drw weapons on an LA subway anyway...!) :D :o :D
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 30, 2007, 03:50:18 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Jun 30, 2007, 03:18:51 PM
Quote from: predatorX on Jun 28, 2007, 03:30:55 PM
At the beggining of the movie when the predator enters the room with all those guys in it, why does he killed them they weren't attacking him? ???
Or is just Paul anderson bullshit?
I agree with the 'gun carrying' reason, but it could also be explained by the fact that the Predators were trying to contain the Alien menace by reducing the potential hosts... why then would Celtic attack Lex, Weyland and Sebastian... and why did Scar kill Quinn when he was lying defenseless on the ground...?
??? ;)
Quinn had already shot Celtic with the gun..so I am guessing Scar saw this and then later killed him. And the reason Celtic attacked Lex, Sebastian, and Weyland...is on the first page of this thread.
Yes, but Quinn was attacked BEFORE picking up the gun in the first place...
Lex was the one with the cannon on her backpack, so why was Celtic moving Lex and Weyland outta the way...?
And in the Predator movies the Predators only attacked armed people, it would be coward to attack unarmed ones... Quinn was responding to an unprovoked attack when he shot at Celtic... So was Lex, for self-defense (apparently, the Predators don't grasp this concept) she picked up the axe before being hit by Chopper...by the waym she would be dead with that kick...Ouch...
Kinda like why the hell did Octopus send a car crashing the window risking to kill Parker and therefore jeopardising the whole 'Tell Spiderman to find me' crap...? (Sorry, had to make the analogy with my favourite soap opera trilogy... ;D ::))
So, I still defend that there was something more 2 it than just 'killing people because they were armed'... Quinn was attacked with the spear eve though he did nothing that would threaten the Preds, and also the first flashback 1904 guy who probably didn't even knew what a weapon was (he was a fisherman, for crying out loud... :D)
QuoteYes, but in Predator 2 subway scene, the Predator only attacked when everyone draw their weapons
That argument only supports the honor code because the Predator waited until weapons were drawn before attacking. Besides, it would be too much off a hassle to scan every single person on the train to make sure they had a weapon before attacking them; they did the Predator a favor by whipping those guns out.
QuoteYes, but Quinn was attacked BEFORE picking up the gun in the first place...
Lex was the one with the cannon on her backpack, so why was Celtic moving Lex and Weyland outta the way...?
And in the Predator movies the Predators only attacked armed people, it would be coward to attack unarmed ones... Quinn was responding to an unprovoked attack when he shot at Celtic... So was Lex, for self-defense (apparently, the Predators don't grasp this concept) she picked up the axe before being hit by Chopper...by the waym she would be dead with that kick...Ouch...
The Predators were operating in secret on Earth which demands a 'no survivors' policy in order to avoid having their technology and secrets stolen. Anyone who sees their handy work or comes in contact with them must be removed in order to keep their presence minimal. The only exceptions are if you fight alongside a Predator or kill one in honorable combat.
And to think, your defenses were taken down
without double-posting.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 28, 2007, 04:19:26 PM
Plus P2 was watching Harrigan and his crew from the start. He knew then that they were all wielding weapons.
I could see why Keyes came to the cnoclusion that it was 'hunting' that character, but in my opinion, it was false. It was just that Harrigan happened to keep on being in the same place.
There was no way any of the creatures on the hunts (it was my impression that, as soon as we saw several, the message was that we had been seeing the actions of several creatures) would have been able to identify Harrigan's generic heat signature and in some way find it again in a population of millions, much less any of the other characters. There's just no way. Dutch was different. They were the only human being in that place.
The only sticking point is the funeral, but it being there and the lost item being snagged on a branch when it left, could have just been coincidence.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jun 28, 2007, 04:34:00 PM
What about the part when he locked on that kid in the cemetery? He was about to blow him away. The kid was lucky he took the time to check the weapon, cuz if P2 was in panic mode, that kid would've been history. P2 had honor.
I'm not sure about that. It was just being systematic: Lock the target up, prosecute the contact and see if it's valid. Replica weapon = invalid target = not much to boast about.
Predators aren't foolish enough to believe no weapon equates to 'honourable' methods of not killing. Dutch had no gun for a large portion of the film when being hunted, remember. :)
It all adds up to what they consider as something worthy enough to kill. Their helms probably have some sort of recording method, so that they can 'log' all their kills with proof of what was seen or sensed on other parts of the suit (such as the heat when Weyland flamed it).
Come to think about it, that brings a whole new meaning to when we see them removing that thing. Like Agent Smith when he talked to Morpheus and removed the earpiece. Interesting!
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Jun 30, 2007, 04:45:37 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 30, 2007, 03:50:18 PM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Jun 30, 2007, 03:18:51 PM
Quote from: predatorX on Jun 28, 2007, 03:30:55 PM
At the beggining of the movie when the predator enters the room with all those guys in it, why does he killed them they weren't attacking him? ???
Or is just Paul anderson bullshit?
I agree with the 'gun carrying' reason, but it could also be explained by the fact that the Predators were trying to contain the Alien menace by reducing the potential hosts... why then would Celtic attack Lex, Weyland and Sebastian... and why did Scar kill Quinn when he was lying defenseless on the ground...?
??? ;)
Quinn had already shot Celtic with the gun..so I am guessing Scar saw this and then later killed him. And the reason Celtic attacked Lex, Sebastian, and Weyland...is on the first page of this thread.
Yes, but Quinn was attacked BEFORE picking up the gun in the first place...Lex was the one with the cannon on her backpack, so why was Celtic moving Lex and Weyland outta the way...?
And in the Predator movies the Predators only attacked armed people, it would be coward to attack unarmed ones... Quinn was responding to an unprovoked attack when he shot at Celtic... So was Lex, for self-defense (apparently, the Predators don't grasp this concept) she picked up the axe before being hit by Chopper...by the waym she would be dead with that kick...Ouch...
Kinda like why the hell did Octopus send a car crashing the window risking to kill Parker and therefore jeopardising the whole 'Tell Spiderman to find me' crap...? (Sorry, had to make the analogy with my favourite soap opera trilogy... ;D ::))
So, I still defend that there was something more 2 it than just 'killing people because they were armed'... Quinn was attacked with the spear eve though he did nothing that would threaten the Preds, and also the first flashback 1904 guy who probably didn't even knew what a weapon was (he was a fisherman, for crying out loud... :D)
Well...Gill is an ahole (if you look closely the pred is Gill) Really can't argue after this one, at all the other times it seemed the code was broken...well they weren't
Oh, one final note, the person/people slaughtered in 1904 wasn't a fisherman, he was a whaler. Probably explains what he would be doing at a whaling station too. In any case, big difference in that whalers have to take these big pointy stick thingies called harpoons, and otherwise impale massive multi-ton beasties that can easily sink your ship. I enjoy siding with the whales more of course, so the last batch of humans got what was coming to them.
Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jun 30, 2007, 08:19:50 PM
QuoteYes, but in Predator 2 subway scene, the Predator only attacked when everyone draw their weapons
That argument only supports the honor code because the Predator waited until weapons were drawn before attacking. Besides, it would be too much off a hassle to scan every single person on the train to make sure they had a weapon before attacking them; they did the Predator a favor by whipping those guns out.
QuoteYes, but Quinn was attacked BEFORE picking up the gun in the first place...
Lex was the one with the cannon on her backpack, so why was Celtic moving Lex and Weyland outta the way...?
And in the Predator movies the Predators only attacked armed people, it would be coward to attack unarmed ones... Quinn was responding to an unprovoked attack when he shot at Celtic... So was Lex, for self-defense (apparently, the Predators don't grasp this concept) she picked up the axe before being hit by Chopper...by the waym she would be dead with that kick...Ouch...
The Predators were operating in secret on Earth which demands a 'no survivors' policy in order to avoid having their technology and secrets stolen. Anyone who sees their handy work or comes in contact with them must be removed in order to keep their presence minimal. The only exceptions are if you fight alongside a Predator or kill one in honorable combat.
And to think, your defenses were taken down without double-posting.
First of all, your theory goes down the drain after the Elder gave a piece of their tech to Lex... So so much for your theory... The Elder in P2 gave Harrigan a HUMAN gun, so AVP clearly proved your THEORY wrong there... ;)
The Predators only show themselves whenever they want... Remember Dillon, with the Predator waiting until Dillon saw him and raised his MP-5...?
Second, the double-posting was to adress two different points of view...
Third, a fisherman and a whaler are about the same thing, and the Antarctic whale became extinct, so you sided with the losing team, it seems... :D ;) Oh, and try firing a harpoon gun on a 2-metre moving target and you'll see how much of a threat a guy with a harpoon gun really is... :D
On a more serious note, I too regret the extinction of any species, Antarctic whales included, by Man... :'(
QuoteFirst of all, your theory goes down the drain after the Elder gave a piece of their tech to Lex... So so much for your theory... The Elder in P2 gave Harrigan a HUMAN gun, so AVP clearly proved your THEORY wrong there
The Elder gave Lex a compressing battle staff-- the equivalent of a swiss-army knife. [sarcasm] OOH, that is SO much more technologically significant than the Predator's plasma casters and spaceships [/sarcasm]. Besides, any warrior that's been blooded and then honored with a gift from a Predator Elder isn't expected to just hand said gift away to be chopped apart and reversed engineered.
QuoteThird, a fisherman and a whaler are about the same thing, and the Antarctic whale became extinct, so you sided with the losing team, it seems... Cheesy Wink Oh, and try firing a harpoon gun on a 2-metre moving target and you'll see how much of a threat a guy with a harpoon gun really is... Cheesy
I haven't seen that much bullshit since the herd had diarrhea. It reeks of stupid.