You can download it here http://www.sendspace.com/file/pha7i6 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/pha7i6)
Hope you enjoy it.
It is truly kick ass.
Why did you had to post it? I wont download it, i just wont... ok i downloaded it, but i wont read it, i just wont...
Give in. You know you want to.
Give in Johnny! GIVE IN!
I know I have. ;D
....I dont believe it,
I don't know if I should thank you or curse you.
My god, I read the first page and it hooked me. Will I resist?
wow...dont know what to do...cant...resist...temptation...
Read only 10 pages so far. Really, really liking it. Liking the Edwin character and looking forward to see Topher Grace in the role.
Is it really true? I hate you, I love you. I know I have to read it... I will not resist. Curiosity is killing me. :(
About half way through.
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These guys really like referencing the first flick.
Say if its good, awesome, bad
Im not reading it yet...
I'll tell you when I'm finished. I'm not really sure yet.
I'm up to Page 26. Seems far better than anything AvP Requiem gave us but then again, I can't judge how a movie will be based on reading a script. Did I read it right or do the Predators have black blood?
I will read the rest later.
Only have read 52 pages so far. Overall I like it, though there've been some moments that made me go "Eh... come on, really?"
Well thirty pages after, and frankly I'm hooked. I like the interaction between the characters so far, and the hunting dogs scene is well handled. Oh, to those of you who fears a planet terror cheesy tone, don't, it's serious as f**k, nothing Rodriguez-like in it. It makes me laugh to see his name on it, there seems to be nothing left from his old draft, well I haven't came across the black super predator yet.
I'm really not sure whether to read this or not. On the one hand, its undoubtedly not the 'final' script, but on the other hand, I'd still be spoiling a lot for meself.
Probably will read it a bit later.
Finished...An no, it isn't good.
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There's an Alternate ending...And if they use it, I'll end my own life in the Cinema.
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 11, 2009, 01:05:28 PM
Did I read it right or do the Predators have black blood?
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Yeah the Black/Super Predators do.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 11, 2009, 01:06:13 PM
Only have read 52 pages so far. Overall I like it, though there've been some moments that made me go "Eh... come on, really?"
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Like the BSPs Minigun Shoulder Cannon shooting bullets out of the air? :D
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 11, 2009, 01:25:35 PM
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Like the BSPs Minigun Shoulder Cannon shooting bullets out of the air? :D
Exactly.
Spoiler talking people :D
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 11, 2009, 01:32:17 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 11, 2009, 01:25:35 PM
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Like the BSPs Minigun Shoulder Cannon shooting bullets out of the air? :D
Exactly.
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That's nothing on the Alternate ending. Hell, the standard ending is bad enough.
Starting at page 68, something I wanted to see for a while in a Predator movie. I hope they make it look good.
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Predators tracking the suvivors through the swamp? Or the Hanzo vs. Super Predator fight that ensues? Because I personally hate the later.
Is the black super predator something good?
Anytime would tear him a new one.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 11, 2009, 01:43:30 PM
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Predators tracking the suvivors through the swamp? Or the Hanzo vs. Super Predator fight that ensues? Because I personally hate the later.
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The latter. I always thought Predator's in medieval japan, slaying Samurais would be a great sight. This is the closest we get to that.
And yeah, the Alternate ending is pretty bad.
After reading the entire script, I don't understand why Super Predators are needed at all. What's wrong with normal Predators? They are already more than hardcore enough.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 11, 2009, 11:47:03 AM
Give in Johnny! GIVE IN!
I know I have. ;D
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Alright I'm going to be honest with you i gave in... and there are some pretty good things in it, i liked a lot of stuff.. but i hate the rest, these pussy's make the AvP preds look strong, anytime would so wipe the floor with them.
Black blood?? WTF is up with that?
And the face description of the black super predator at the end sounds even worse than scar, actually, its exactly everything that the fans hated about the AvP preds and more, described in detail what was wrong with the last Predators.
I cant f**king believe it, whats the point in having a super Predator if they get killed so easily? I mean really easy... and black blood?
The two endings sound ridiculous, especially the one with dutch, and you still really think that Predator 2 is a bad sequel if you read this shit???
Finished. Amazing... But I don't like the endings. Both... :-\
BTW this is only script. We don't know what director will do with it. Really..
(Damn, I burned my dinner).
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What i hate about it the most is that these Predators are genetically modified, this will definitially the Alien:Rez in the Predator series.
And why does Hanzo kill the Predator? Whats the point of a super Predator if these are actually less strong than the previous ones??
f**king dumb.
I absolutely agree. Bigger, better? It can't work this way. :-\
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 11, 2009, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 11, 2009, 11:47:03 AM
Give in Johnny! GIVE IN!
I know I have. ;D
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Alright I'm going to be honest with you i gave in... and there are some pretty good things in it, i liked a lot of stuff.. but i hate the rest, these pussy's make the AvP preds look strong, anytime would so wipe the floor with them.
Black blood?? WTF is up with that?
And the face description of the black super predator at the end sounds even worse than scar, actually, its exactly everything that the fans hated about the AvP preds and more, described in detail what was wrong with the last Predators.
I cant f**king believe it, whats the point in having a super Predator if they get killed so easily? I mean really easy... and black blood?
The two endings sound ridiculous, especially the one with dutch, and you still really think that Predator 2 is a bad sequel if you read this shit???
I was hoping you'd read it. I wanted to see what you'd make of it.
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The whole script, for me, comes off as the writers over indulging themselves. The take the basic layout from PREDATOR (including certain moments and lines) and just ADHD the f**k out of them. The BSPs and SPs are redundant because not only are they inferior to the Predators in 1 & 2, the way they're described gives me a mental image of a Predator I would never want to see...Medieval armor, triple shoulder-cannon, huge mandibles and black blood. Where is the need to change it? There isn't, it's just the writers whacking off.
My biggest complaint with PREDATOR 2 is that the film lacks the subtlety of the original. The Predator just went around the city tearing everyone a new one, and it ended up seeming out of character and lacking suspense. PREDATORS blows this out of the water. It literally has no subtlety, and the Predators couldm't possibly be more out of character. What happened to hunting people down one at a time? f**k that...Just have Mombassa get impaled in front of everyone and then unleash with your Minigun Shoulder Cannon.
There we're bits I liked, such as the Predator mimicking Cuchillo's pleas. The characters were also better than the ones in AVP/R, but that's not saying much. Royce wasn't exactly likable, and I didn't find myself caring when he fought BSP. I was more interested in what Edwin was up to.
Also? A guy using a sword to chop a Predator in half? What happened to "What kills us just hurts them"? ...Stupid.
This sucks extra hard because the first few pages we're some of the most intense I've ever read. It certainly makes me look on PREDATOR 2 more favorably.
Gah. I'm going to give it another read.
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It really makes no sense. These Super Predators are supposed to be steroid up versions of the normal Predators we know, which are already pretty hardcore. In the first Movie, you had a single Predator hunt down to military squads, who were bother trained teams. And all he relied on were his Wristblades, Plasma caster and cloaking device.
Now you've got a hunting party of 3 Super Predators, who hunt a group of 8 individuals, only a few of them who know how to survive in the jungle. Then they use blood hounds and Predator birds to hunt them in order to make the hunt several times easier and hunt them to exhaustion. I liked how the first Predator always gave them a little breathing room to prepare. He could've killed them easily, but he wanted a challenging hunt. Same with the 2nd Pred, he could've killed Harrigan easily, instead he stalked him, mocked him, to increase the potential of the hunt.
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"Think predator gone terribly wrong. A mutated version. No nose. Oversized mandibles, slimy reptilian skin, red eyes full of venom and hate"
Dutch in Predator armour with other Predators together in a ship??
Ohh man, this is going to suck so much ass i could cry, this isnt true, this cant be true, were getting f**ked over again :'(
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 11, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
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"Think predator gone terribly wrong. A mutated version. No nose. Oversized mandibles, slimy reptilian skin, red eyes full of venom and hate"
Dutch in Predator armour with other Predators together in a ship??
Ohh man, this is going to suck so much ass i could cry, this isnt true, this cant be true, were getting f**ked over again :'(
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I like how it says 'No nose.'
...
They had noses?
Oh and don't forget dude, Dutch is their leader.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 11, 2009, 02:24:35 PM
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Also? A guy using a sword to chop a Predator in half? What happened to "What kills us just hurts them"? ...Stupid.
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Well, I'd say getting sliced in half should kill anyone. Well, except for Xenomorphs. Damage resistant bastards.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 11, 2009, 02:34:18 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 11, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
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"Think predator gone terribly wrong. A mutated version. No nose. Oversized mandibles, slimy reptilian skin, red eyes full of venom and hate"
Dutch in Predator armour with other Predators together in a ship??
Ohh man, this is going to suck so much ass i could cry, this isn't true, this cant be true, were getting f**ked over again :'(
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I like how it says 'No nose.'
...
They had noses?
Oh and don't forget dude, Dutch is their leader.
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Can you believe that this is actually happening??
I'm waiting for ashton kutscher to come by and show me their camera that the whole thing was a big joke.
This could have been so kick ass, if they wouldn't just shitcan everything that made the Predator so great, i like the Predator vs Predator fight at then end, if only the "classic Predator" would have won.. so even that fight was pointless.
Same problem as in AvP, they are building up the Predators as so badass only to trash them in the last half hour, waste them.
And you're right about the writers whack off, it seems like they want to reinvent the Predator character.. and in the process destroying everything that made it great.
Make sure you use spoiler tags if you're going to talk about the leaked script. Don't forget to put quotes from other posters in spoiler tags, if that quote has spoilers in it.
That's definitely the most times I've said spoilers. :D
Not that you guys haven't done this already, I just want to clarify this for everybody.
Gotta respect that some people won't be reading this thing like us.
Did I forget to add spoiler tags properly? Because I see my post is edited by you. Sorry if I did.
Don't worry, Johnny made the same mistake earlier. It doesn't take me long to fix it, it's just I might not see it and people will have their movie ruined.
Guys, it's not confirmed script.
Maybe it's simply not true? Maybe they change it? They can't be so stupid, can they? Totally non-canon..., non-logical..., non-...
All this thread it's one big spoiler. ;)
Well, the beginning of the script definitely fits with the destription of the Hawaii shoot. But I seriously hope some things have changed, like the Super Predators.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 11, 2009, 02:43:29 PM
Make sure you use spoiler tags if you're going to talk about the leaked script. Don't forget to put quotes from other posters in spoiler tags, if that quote has spoilers in it.
That's definitely the most times I've said spoilers. :D
Not that you guys haven't done this already, I just want to clarify this for everybody.
Gotta respect that some people won't be reading this thing like us.
TBH Wouldn't it be a better idea to put Spoiler tags in the Thread name? That way people know what to expect.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 11, 2009, 02:53:46 PM
Well, the beginning of the script definitely fits with the destription of the Hawaii shoot. But I seriously hope some things have changed, like the Super Predators.
The beginning of the script is not bad at all. Worse comes later. :-\
Its actually pretty kick ass up until the Black super Predator arrives, once you read his description later on you just know its going to look as ridiculous as he is described.
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Hell, those aren't even Predators, they are genetically mutated turds that belong in the worst fanfiction of a 12 year old.
Chainsaw plasmacaster?? Its so bad i could puke.
And whats up with the Predator just giving the ship to Royce? So what, he flys to earth, the government takes the ship and has the technology?
Well I read the whole script. It was ....
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I hated the Black Super Predators. They are very weak. Hanzo ( a Yakuza thug ) was able to take one out and they are suppose to be strong? They are weaker then normal Predators. The one good part was the Predator vs. Predator fight but it was quick and the Black Predator won.
PS - I think Dear Mears might be the Black Super Predator. Never once does it say the Black is taller then the Predator. Just more muscular. Maybe the Black Predator is a muscular short guy?
Yep I must say I am with you here, the last part after the Nolan meeting is seriously a downer, such a shame because before that it was quite excellent. I hope they've rewritten it since, after all it must be the very first draft. Time have passed since mid July. I wouldn't put that much faith in the description of the black super predator either, it's really KNB that will do it.
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But aside from those sloppy aspects throughout the ending, I really liked the characters, especially Edwin and Royce. Royce is a f**king bastard, I like that. Isabelle said it all. For once the hero is kinda unlikable, and this edwin is well developped with some twisted and surprisings moments.
I don't know, the thing has potential if the final part has been polished.
Quote from: The PredBen on Nov 11, 2009, 03:06:44 PM
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I hated the Black Super Predators. They are very weak. Hanzo ( a Yakuza thug ) was able to take one out and they are suppose to be strong? They are weaker then normal Predators.
I didn't really mind that part too much.
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It was not like Hanzo Karate kicked his ass all over the place. It wasn't raw muscle vs muscle, it was skill vs skill. In the end though, they both finished each other off.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 11, 2009, 01:50:12 PM
Anytime would tear him a new one.
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Apparently not, according to the script itself. :P
Personally, I don't really have a single issue with it. It's really in the spirit of the first movie, which was, after all, a ridiculous macho action flick. This is pretty much the same, if better.
The weakest aspect is the inclusion of the Black Super Predator. I don't really see any point in it, since normal Predators are just fine. Well, there is the
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Predator vs. Black Super Predator fight
which sounds totally badass.
I can see some Predator fans getting antsy over this, which is a little silly considering that every film outing the Predator has ever had has been ridiculous. Even the original film, while
good, was silly in its own ways and mostly just fun and immersive - because it was a film that made you
want to be immersed.
By the sounds of this script, I'm feeling the same thing. Ridiculous gunfire, over-the-top machoness and brutal hand-to-hand combat. The Predator hounds aren't really so out-of-place and the Predator falcon actually makes a lot of sense in its implementation.
Fair enough on the
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Hanzo vs. Super Black Predator fight. Its just Hanzo was able to be qual with him? I mean ... he was equal ... I didn't mind him killing The Super Black Predator ... it was just kinda odd that he was equal in the fight.
The Predators script to me is a 6.5/10 a bit higher then the AVP movies ... not great.
Do we know for a fact that this is the final draft or is this the writers first attempt at a draft?
Quote from: The PredBen on Nov 11, 2009, 03:55:51 PM
Fair enough on the Spoiler
Hanzo vs. Super Black Predator fight. Its just Hanzo was able to be qual with him? I mean ... he was equal ... I didn't mind him killing The Super Black Predator ... it was just kinda odd that he was equal in the fight.
The Predators script to me is a 6.5/10 a bit higher then the AVP movies ... not great.
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The Hanzo fight is relatively believable. Consider:
- In the original film, the Predator was hardly immune to human weapons. For goodness' sake it, was killed by a falling log.
- The katana is far longer than wristblades, giving Hanzo a massive tactical advantage despite his inferior strength.
- The fight is totally badass.
The lamest thing from my perspective was
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Predator losing to Black Super Predator. f**k that. :(
Quote from: Hybrid PM on Nov 11, 2009, 04:02:37 PM
Do we know for a fact that this is the final draft or is this the writers first attempt at a draft?
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Yeah the predators dogs and falcons turn out to be the best implementation, who whoud have guessed?
Well to be honest, that wasn't the script who made the original great, that was really the direction of McTiernan. Really depends on how it'll be played out by Antal, and what he'll keep or change from this early draft. Again it's not the whole thing that bothers me, just some lazy details that can be fixed.
QuoteFor goodness' sake it, was killed by a falling log.
Don't know what version you saw, but in the ending of Predator the log didn't kill the Predator.
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In the original film, the Predator was hardly immune to human weapons.
It still survived being shot by mac and several grenade explosions right in front of his feet, every human would have been blown into the air or to pieces.
In Predator 2 it survived 8 point blank shotgun blasts and on the rooftop another 3 by his handgun, then getting his arm cut off only to smash through a wall and he still lived..
So please don't try to downgrade the Predator, you're the one who always says they aren't stronger, faster etc than a human and that is a ridiculous statement by itself and now you're saying that the original movies are ridiculous.
Dude, get the f**k out of here, seriously, go to the alien board and spread your bullshit there.
OK I didn't read the whole thing, I just skimmed through it and read parts that looked interesting. Honestly its not bad at all. The Black Pred is really badass.
But I'm sure KNB will make it look spectacular, the black blood is kinda weird but who knows if it will end up in the script. The characterization looks outstanding. Hanzo killing a pred, we will have to see how it pans out in the film but overall I liked what I saw.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 11, 2009, 04:16:00 PM
Dude, get the f**k out of here, seriously, go to the alien board and spread your bullshit there.
Or perhaps you could stop reacting as if an affront to the Predator was an insult against you? Johnny, I have very little against you - only that you react with personal insults when they're uncalled for. Apart from that, I really don't find you unpleasant or confrontational in any way and while I've given you the benefit of the doubt thus far, I feel as if I should begin reporting you for posts such as that.
The Predator was pretty obviously wounded by a few rounds of gunfire and weakened explosives created by Dutch as arrows/spears. More resilient than a human, but I'd wager it still wouldn't want to be caught in the sights of a competent rifleman. After all, they
do favour humans as prey and they have invisibility technology for more than shits 'n' giggles, I'd say.
Johnny, pipe down. Alex, rewatch the films again.
What I'm saying here is
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Predators dying the way they do in the film doesn't contradict canon. I'm pretty sure two claymore mines are gonna split any man-sized creature into dozens of bits. And if Dutch finished off one with a trap (which was pretty clearly going to cause it to bleed to death, among other bodily failures), I'm pretty sure Royce can cut one up with a Predator weapon.
Hanzo's scene is, perhaps, the only one that might not work if it wasn't so utterly badass. But a well-honed blade would probably split a Predator anyway.
Honestly this script if handled right could turn out to be one really badass flick.
QuoteOr perhaps you could stop reacting as if an affront to the Predator was an insult against you? Johnny, I have very little against you - only that you react with personal insults when they're uncalled for. Apart from that, I really don't find you unpleasant or confrontational in any way and while I've given you the benefit of the doubt thus far, I feel as if I should begin reporting you for posts such as that.
Feel free to report me, i don't give a shit.
You only come to this board to shitcan the movies, now even going as far as saying they are ridiculous, that's your opinion fine, but you said it often enough on the alien board, and now you're coming to the predator board, the only reason you post it is either being totally arrogant or you're looking for trouble.
In either case i will say it again, i don't want to read your bullshit here, i don't go to the alien boards anymore because of that reason, and now you're starting your ridiculous statements here, forcing me to read it.
As for the Predators dying the way they do in Predators is not my problem, my problem is that you don't have to show it like that, the creature has more potential to it than what is said in the script.
It would be the same way as having a ultra badass soldier in a movie and having him die by a falling coconut only because its possible, it still would be a stinker.
Couple of questions
1. Near the end of the original ending
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"And then something... changes in Isabelle's eyes.
Something not quite human. Rippling under the skin. As if
some unseen creature is stirring within.
And then Edwin knows terror. Off his scream,"
WTF IS THIS ABOUT!?
2.
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I dont like the way Noland is killed. He is unarmed but the BSP just blows him him. The guy has survived for over 30yrs and he just dies that quickly and stupid. WHo else thinks Nick Notle shoudl play him?
I want the humans to get owned in this movie, but it sounds like they don't. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE SCRIPT. So are the predators not like they should be? what weapons do they use. Is this the shooting script you guys are reading?
Overall, I think its better then I expected it to be. It was great up until they meet Noland, and then its does down hill there after. Although, the BSP vs Royce fight could be cool!
The two ending are not great, but the first is way better then the alternative! The alternative ending IMO is awfull and is like something the creators of the AvP/AvP2 would have thought up off.
Any way, my questions:
Couple of questions
1. Near the end of the original ending
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"And then something... changes in Isabelle's eyes.
Something not quite human. Rippling under the skin. As if
some unseen creature is stirring within.
And then Edwin knows terror. Off his scream,"
WTF IS THIS ABOUT!? Alien??
2.
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I dont like the way Noland is killed. He is unarmed but the BSP just blows him him. The guy has survived for over 30yrs and he just dies that quickly and stupid. WHo else thinks Nick Notle shoudl play him?
3.
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The Dutch cameo is just plain awfull. Why and how would he become some Predator leader!? Fisrtly, he only beat the Predator from the original movie by luck! Secondly, why would he befriend a blood thirsty alien species who (at least one of them) murdered his friends for sport!?
The alternative ending stinks and I hope ARnie tell RR to F-off!!
Quote from: Trey Smith on Nov 11, 2009, 05:19:11 PM
I want the humans to get owned in this movie, but it sounds like they don't. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE SCRIPT. So are the predators not like they should be? what weapons do they use. Is this the shooting script you guys are reading?
BSP weapons
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Giant black dildo
Quote from: Trey Smith on Nov 11, 2009, 05:19:11 PM
I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE SCRIPT.
Don't do it. Stay with dreams and hope.
Quote from: Trey Smith on Nov 11, 2009, 05:19:11 PM
So are the predators not like they should be? what weapons do they use.
No, they aren't... BSP it's... no, I can't tell you, it's spoiler...
Quote from: Trey Smith on Nov 11, 2009, 05:19:11 PM
Is this the shooting script you guys are reading?
Who knows... dating July 12, 2009
Tell me one thing guys (cause I don`t have time to read it now) does it contradict P2 in any way?
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 11, 2009, 05:15:38 PM
Couple of questions
1. Near the end of the original ending
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"And then something... changes in Isabelle's eyes.
Something not quite human. Rippling under the skin. As if
some unseen creature is stirring within.
And then Edwin knows terror. Off his scream,"
WTF IS THIS ABOUT!?
2. Spoiler
I dont like the way Noland is killed. He is unarmed but the BSP just blows him him. The guy has survived for over 30yrs and he just dies that quickly and stupid. WHo else thinks Nick Notle shoudl play him?
the first question is a mystery for me as well.
Quote from: Master on Nov 11, 2009, 05:48:22 PM
Tell me one thing guys (cause I don`t have time to read it now) does it contradict P2 in any way?
No simpley ignores it.
Well, I just finished it.
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Very, very agreed on the unnecessary nature of the BSP and SP's. They work just fine as normal Pred's. I don't have any problem with the Predator deaths, really...Felt like the Falcon was kind of dumb, but its more of a visual thing anyways, so we'll see how it turns out. Actually liked the alternate ending much better until 'Dutch' shows up, then I felt the need to shoot someone. Personally, I think that best case scenario, they cut back on the 'Super Predator' aspect, since they're not, in fact, super, give them green blood, make Noland into Dutch, give him less of a chump death, and use the alternate ending, sans arnie.
Overall, while the script as it stands wouldn't make any kind of great film or even particularly good, I did find it to be entertaining, and thats...well, its something, at least.
I think it would make for a kick ass sci-fi action movie, and a hell of a bad Predator movie.
Change the title, replace the Predators (Which aren't even Predators but i don't wanna give away anything) and you can shoot this movie as something completely different.
1) Bad writing.
2) -_-
3) He wouldn't.
My thought's exactly. A fun little action romp, but a shitty Predator film. The script needs a lot of work before it's anything like the 'true sequel' to PREDATOR I would like to see.
1) Bad writing
2) I actually thought that was kick ass, shows that the Predator is merciless and not the "fair" little fallow that some make him out to be.
3) I think they should ditch either ending, and yes, after reading the cameo i hope he wont agree to do the part as its stupid, ridiculous and totally unnecessary.
The mention of Dutch in the script is more than enough.
Is this the same script that the guys from Latino Review reviewed? Because in that video, it sounded like this movie was so kick-ass and I was so pumped. I haven't read the script but now you guys are making me depressed :(
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In regards to 2) I agree that it showed the Predator to be merciless (which I like), but it came off as a bit of a 'slasheresque' death, and made the character of Nolan seem kind of redundant.
My -_- face was in reagrds to the whole Nick Nolte thing.
Finished reading it.
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Mixed feelings. I don't like the Black Super Predators, never did to begin with. They may as well as not even be Predators at all by the sounds of it. I don't mind the dogs or the falcons. I'm usually against the Predator vs Predator fights in comics but in the film, it sounds sorta believable. The alternative ending with Arnie is ridiculous beyond belief. I'll be praying that Arnie declines the role.
Question: How many "Predators" are actually in this excluding the alternative ending? The three Black Super Predators and the regular Predator at the end? So we only see one normal looking Predator throughout the whole film?
Its not that bad honestly, just a few nit picky things here and there, the worst thing in the script is the Arnie cameo.
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 11, 2009, 06:09:44 PM
Finished reading it.
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Mixed feelings. I don't like the Black Super Predators, never did to begin with. They may as well as not even be Predators at all by the sounds of it. I don't mind the dogs or the falcons. I'm usually against the Predator vs Predator fights in comics but in the film, it sounds sorta believable. The alternative ending with Arnie is ridiculous beyond belief. I'll be praying that Arnie declines the role.
Question: How many "Predators" are actually in this excluding the alternative ending? The three Black Super Predators and the regular Predator at the end? So we only see one normal looking Predator throughout the whole film?
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Yeah, there is only one 'Predator' in the script, and he's the one who is crucified and then fights Black Super Predator whilst sporting the Old School Shoulder Cannon. The two other Predators are reffered to as Super Predators, so we can assume they're similar in FAIL to the Black Super Predator...Except they're not black.
As for the Predator vs. Black Super Predator fight...Leave that shit in the comics. These films are about Man vs. The Predator, seeing two Predators go at it is just the writers letting thier imaginations go wild. Not to mention it's entirely pointless.
Quote from: JaredK21 on Nov 11, 2009, 06:07:11 PM
Is this the same script that the guys from Latino Review reviewed? Because in that video, it sounded like this movie was so kick-ass and I was so pumped. I haven't read the script but now you guys are making me depressed :(
It is the shooting script, and it actually kicks ass in some places, i liked very much of it, they just need to fix the star of the movie, which is the Predator.
It has good dialogue, some humour (like the original), interesting characters and some pretty good action sequences, if it wouldn't be for the ridiculous ending and the shitty Preds this could have been a
really kickass Predator movie.
Unfortunately, they f**ked up
the most important aspects.
I mean really, you read the script and the Predators are so distorted in their look, behaviour... hell, they don't even have green glowing blood anymore.
Well this cameo is so bad and so out of place, - you know with his stupid line being the ice on the cake
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"not that bad kid" LOL
-, I honestly believe we can say it won't be used as it is here. This whole alternate ending tends to confirm that the last part was rushed, everything after the nolan meeting seems to be lazy compared to the strong beginning.
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they don't even have green glowing blood anymore.
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Actually the normal Predator have. When they discover him crucified
And I don't understand, a good movie is a good movie. I'd rather have a good movie than a good pred film but a shitty movie. What does that even mean?
QuoteIt is the shooting script
You can't say, the draft is dated 12 july, it means before Nimrod Antal even worked on it.
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Why was the Predator crucified in the first place?
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 11, 2009, 06:35:23 PM
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Why was the Predator crucified in the first place?
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Frankly I don't know, I presume the super predators did it because he is a disgrace to their updated race, or whatever reasons. The normal Predator seems pretty angry though, I think it's good they keep this a mistery.
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I assumed he had been hunted by the BSP / SPs.
QuoteAnd I don't understand, a good movie is a good movie. I'd rather have a good movie than a good pred film but a shitty movie. What does that even mean?
What i mean is the following: Alien Resurrection for example would be a good movie if it wouldn't be an alien movie, because the dark humour doesn't fit the alien series, it is however, on its own, an entertaining sci-fi movie.
Predator 2 isn't as good as the first movie, it doesn't have as strong of a cast, characters and isn't so well told as the first movie, but it still respected the Predator character, expanding it in a good way and gave us everything we liked about the first one and more, making it a nice follow up, but on its own, it isn't a spectacular movie, just a good one.
Predators would be a good sci-fi popcorn flick on its own, but one hell of a bad sequel to Predator.
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 11, 2009, 06:35:23 PM
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Why was the Predator crucified in the first place?
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Because these "Super Predators" not only hunt humans and other alien species but also kill their own kind, hence why it says "Payback time" when the Predator gets freed and ready to fight.
They are not so much super predators as they genetically mutated bad blood Predators gone wild.
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That's what I'm not getting. I don't see why they have to be Predators at all. I wish they'd just be another Alien species. But then I guess, you may as well not even call the movie a Predator film. I could deal with the bad blood stuff but being "genetically mutated" is going too far.
Piss on this movie! I've tried to be slightly optimistic about this film and have kept pretty mum on the subject but after reading this piece of shit script can it be more obvious that the filmmakers could care less about the cannon universe that's been established with these movies?
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A predator a shooting a chain gun!?!?!?!?!?!?
And you know a lot of this going to be in the film. I won't be fooled like I was with AvPR! You can expect to see most of this in the movie.
Also, I wanted to thank the person for posting the link. You just saved me some money buddy. Mucho appreciated.
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That's what I'm not getting. I don't see why they have to be Predators at all. I wish they'd just be another Alien species. But then I guess, you may as well not even call the movie a Predator film. I could deal with the bad blood stuff but being "genetically mutated" is going too far.
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My thoughts exactly, they don't feel like Predators, rather some offspring in some DTV movie or some bad fanfiction.
Its a kickass story in my opinion, so much potential, even the falcons and dogs i like, if only there would be a Predator in the movie that is...well..a Predator.
And the ending is an obvious set up for future movies that would include more of RR's crappy ideas from the previous script.
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And the ending is an obvious set up for future movies that would include more of RR's crappy ideas from the previous script.
To be true, if we can expect something has changed in the two months this draft was written to the actual beginning of the shooting then its the ending, which was quite shitty.
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I don't like open ending anyway, but this one doesn't even get me excited to see a new movie, its just cheesy and unsatisfying
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Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 11, 2009, 06:54:54 PM
And the ending is an obvious set up for future movies that would include more of RR's crappy ideas from the previous script.
To be true, if we can expect something has changed in the two months this draft was written to the actual beginning of the shooting then its the ending, which was quite shitty.
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I don't like open ending anyway, but this one doesn't even get me excited to see a new movie, its just cheesy and unsatisfying
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So Dutch was leading a group of predators as this ending hinted at?
Like someone else said, hopefully Arnie will decline the role.
I enjoyed the script and have no real issues with the BSP. I think this will be the second best Predator movie, obviously after the original!
However the alternative ending is horrible. The more I think about it the more I cringe, its juts trully awfull! Are you guys sure that no one from the AvP 1&2 had a part to play in writing this alternative ending? Its just reads like something they would have cooked up! simmilar in the vein to the horrible Predalien and the lame line at the end of AvP2 "this is not for our planet is it?"......I like to summerise these moments as "wannabe cool scenes", something that the studio convinced themselves to be cool and that the fans will love. Well they are wrong it makes me cringe!!!
As I said, other then the alternative ending the movie looks good. Hope they stick to the original ending or refine it, may be combining some aspects of the alterntive ending but with no
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Dutch!!
Correct me if Im wrong but after the reading the script....
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its hints at a potential civil war or division between the Predators i.e. normal preds and BSP. The BSP are may be a clan who have dabbled with genetic engineering making them "super" and this may be upset the Predator society, causing a division and may be war. Kind of simmilar to the Jedi and the Sith, if you know what I mean. May be the BSP dont believe in honour but believe in being the dominat species, hence why in the script they are protrayed as having no mercy i.e. Nolans death!
The film ends hinting at future film..
The only hope i have that they changed this horribly abominations into actual Predators is KNB's statement:
we wanted to have the Predator look as it did in the original film. We went back and looked at the original. I actually worked in the shop with Stan Winston on the first film. It was great to be able to go back to the series having not been involved in any of the sequels, and it was also great to be able to make sure we built them as Stan Winston did
They look really fantastic. There's a whole bunch of cool [Predator's] in the film, and everyone's going to be very happy that we've been very faithful to the Stan Winston designs. It's out next year. It's shooting very soon
From the description in the script they dont even look like the Stan Winston Predators, so there had to be some changes made.
That's what I meant by " I wouldn't put that much faith in the description of the predators in the script, because that's KNB that will do it". What's on the page isn't necessarily what we'll get on screen.
Maybe people will relax when they'll see some pics and shit.
i can't believe it was leaked ....what a shame !!! ???............. I feel sorry for all you guys.....temptaion is huge but I'll never read it.....
Quote from: O.W.L.F. on Nov 11, 2009, 07:41:39 PM
i can't believe it was leaked ....what a shame !!! ???............. I feel sorry for all you guys.....temptaion is huge but I'll never read it.....
You don't have to read it, but you don't have to feel sorry for us for reading it either, no one forced me to read it, but now that i have, I'm actually glad about it, because now i know what to expect...
and that is actually what i don't want to know when I 'm watching movies......
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Quote from: O.W.L.F. on Nov 11, 2009, 07:41:39 PM
i can't believe it was leaked ....what a shame !!! ???............. I feel sorry for all you guys.....temptaion is huge but I'll never read it.....
You don't have to read it, but you don't have to feel sorry for us for reading it either, no one forced me to read it, but now that i have, I'm actually glad about it, because now i know what to expect...
Same here, but I'm gonna pass this in theaters. I know that's easier said than done but I think I can wait for a dvd release.
I already know they'll release a kickass trailer for the movie. There's plenty of stuff in there to warrant a good trailer and I wouldn't expect anything less from Fox because they know how to cut good trailers.
Could somebody could provide me working link please? SS shows only 157 kb file, which obviously is wrong for script, and cannot be opened. Thanks in advance
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 11, 2009, 06:40:16 PM
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They are not so much super predators as they genetically mutated bad blood Predators gone wild.
LOL, that description cracked me up, i've got to read this ;)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 11, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
The only hope i have that they changed this horribly abominations into actual Predators is KNB's statement:
we wanted to have the Predator look as it did in the original film. We went back and looked at the original. I actually worked in the shop with Stan Winston on the first film. It was great to be able to go back to the series having not been involved in any of the sequels, and it was also great to be able to make sure we built them as Stan Winston did
They look really fantastic. There's a whole bunch of cool [Predator's] in the film, and everyone's going to be very happy that we've been very faithful to the Stan Winston designs. It's out next year. It's shooting very soon
From the description in the script they dont even look like the Stan Winston Predators, so there had to be some changes made.
Amen to that brotha.
Quote from: O.W.L.F. on Nov 11, 2009, 07:46:54 PM
and that is actually what i don't want to know when I 'm watching movies......
That's not what i meant when i said "What to expect"... hell, i don't even remember the script anymore, or what happens when, but now i have a outline of what the movie will be like, its style, what
kind of movie I'm dealing with, and to be true, there wasn't anything in the script that i wouldn't have figured out close to it's release anyway.
Personal changes I'd make.
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- Get rid of the Super Predators and make them regular ones. You want to make them some kind of alpha dogs, just make them look bigger. I prefer the Bad Blood angle to genetic freaks.
- Just no to the Predator shooting bullets mid-air with his own chaingun.
- Way more subtlety from the Predators. More hunter, less Terminator.
- Let the crucified Predator survive longer and have Royce intervene before he gets his spine ripped out. After the Predator went at it alone, the fight could maybe continue in a team effort. It would be great to see the Predator get his payback, but ending up badly injured and near death in the process.
- For the ending, maybe you'll dislike it just as much as the current one, I'd have Isabelle and Royce carry the injured Predator to the ship. He sets a course and it takes off. Instead of setting a course for earth, the ship heads to the home planet, but during the flight the Predator succumbs to his wounds. The film ends with the Predator ship landing and leaving Royce and Isabelle to their ambiguous fate.
If this script is the real one, then you can pretty much close this whole part of the forum IMO, cause it's really pointless to talk about something that sucks so much. :-\
Hold on, the more i think about it, the more Arnie's cameo wouldn't be that terrible, sure its out of left field, sure its pretty insaine but hang on here, lets analyze it for a sec.
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We have the two survivors Royce and Isabelle after BSP and Edwin are killed. Out of nowhere a ship lands revealing a whole bunch of Predators, very remenisent of Predator 2 ending where the clan emerges and surrounds Harrigan. Same concept here, the audience thinks oh shit they're screwed now. Then the leader comes foward. Again remenisent of Predator 2, we don't know what he's going to do to the survivors. It turns out to be Arnold. Whom the predators have accepted as a worrior and one of their own. Obviously theres a lot of untold story behind it. But in reality if you look past the extremeness of it. Its pretty badass. Again it seems to have taken hints from the P2 ending.
With some changes it wouldn't be too bad. I really can't understand why they came up with the concept of Super Predators. We've already seen what normal Predators can do and now they introduce Super Predators? What for?
Well, there's still a plethora of hope. Nimrod Antal may have made some changes, KNB wanting to do justice to Stan Winston, the script only being a July draft, etc.
Quote from: Hybrid PM on Nov 11, 2009, 08:09:13 PM
Hold on, the more i think about it, the more Arnie's cameo wouldn't be that terrible, sure its out of left field, sure its pretty insaine but hang on here, lets analyze it for a sec.
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We have the two survivors Royce and Isabelle after BSP and Edwin are killed. Out of nowhere a ship lands revealing a whole bunch of Predators, very remenisent of Predator 2 ending where the clan emerges and surrounds Harrigan. Same concept here, the audience thinks oh shit they're screwed now. Then the leader comes foward. Again remenisent of Predator 2, we don't know what he's going to do to the survivors. It turns out to be Arnold. Whom the predators have accepted as a worrior and one of their own. Obviously theres a lot of untold story behind it. But in reality if you look past the extremeness of it. Its pretty badass. Again it seems to have taken hints from the P2 ending.
I honestly dont like it.
Although the showdoen between Dutch and the Predator in the original was bad ass, you have to admit Dutch got his ass kicked and only won by a stroke of luck with the traps. I just dont see how the Predator species would hold him in such high regard. Yes he survived but in that same respect Harrigan should also be considered a bad ass! In fact, if you compare the fights Harrigan actually kicks the Predators ass - he outwits it and stabs in repeatedly with its own weapon where as Dutch had to rely on a log falling on its head.
what is the dicrption of the super preds?
Basically from reading everyone's thoughts, I can say that my feelings range from mixed to just downright angry. And this movie is supposed to be the sequel to the original 1987 classic?
Ummm.. yeah. Good luck on that, Roddy. I can say that you are no McTiernan, Hopkins or Cameron.
I am already shaking my head in dismay over a few things such as..
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Black Super Predators having Black Blood. I'm sorry but are they a fusion between a low-rider and a Predator? (Yes, off-color joke here) What? I'm sorry but since when does having Black Blood make the Predator more bad ass or frightening? I'm sorry but thats just not Predator. At all. And aren't Super Black Predators supposed to be faster, stronger and meaner than the normal kind, but Hanzo slices one in half with a katana? Ummm..... Last I checked, Predators were resistant to shotgun blast and cuts from blades and Alien claws, but a sword cleaving through-- no... just no. Gee Roddy, why don't you also have the Predators suddenly change their hair blonde and have a golden aura around them?
Chainsaw Plasma Caster? What the flippity floppity f**k? How does THAT even work?! And the shooting bullets in mid-air thing? Juvenile. Real f**king juvenile. Expected from Rodriguez.
The normal Predator-- who was perhaps the ONLY saving grace of the movie. Was offed right then and there by a weaker, inferior, PINO (Predator in name only). If you ask me, I see this as a symbolical "down with the old, in with the new" meaning to it. A disgrace. I'm sorry but REAL Predators would've killed the Super Predators in my opinion... but then again.. only Roddy could think up of this shit, and I can always stick with Predator 2 as being the real sequel to the original, and not this shit. After all it doesn't retcon it.
The endings-- I'm sorry but since when did Dutch Schaefer join the Predators? He wouldn't. Not after what happened in 1987 since all his friends were killed. So many factors here-- such as the US government outright keeping him in custody for his encounter, possible death from radiation sickness, locked in a mental ward for spewing out the existance of a hunter alien race..
...And is Isabelle implanted with an Alien? .....What?
-Rakai'Thwei
I have two things to say.
1. What is the name of the main character, I don't feel like downloading and reading this.
2. Do they even make black glow-sticks?
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 11, 2009, 08:16:36 PM
Well, there's still a plethora of hope. Nimrod Antal may have made some changes, KNB wanting to do justice to Stan Winston, the script only being a July draft, etc.
Even though this is a July draft I seriously doubt they'll change a lot. I'm sure Nimrod had some ideas and hopefully they're good, but I'll bet anything those Predators will be the same when the movie comes out. And that's the script's biggest problem.
do they still have mandibles and the the right number of limbs? as long as they look good on film im ok with some changes.
I liked it and would rate it 7 out of 10.
A couple of questions though.
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1: Why the hell did the Super Predators nail a normal Predator to that totem?
2: What did Isabelle do to Erwin in the normal ending?
Oh, and I really hoped that the normal Predator would kick Black Super Predators ass when they fought, but no. :(
I'm really looking forward to seeing this on the big screen. :)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 11, 2009, 08:32:18 PM
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And aren't Super Black Predators supposed to be faster, stronger and meaner than the normal kind, but Hanzo slices one in half with a katana? Ummm..... Last I checked, Predators were resistant to shotgun blast and cuts from blades and Alien claws, but a sword cleaving through-- no... just no.
-Rakai'Thwei
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I don't see the deal with the Katana at all. Sure, Predators are tougher and more resilient, but they are still made of muscle tissue and they bleed. A Katana has no problem cutting through bone and cutting regular people in half. A Predator, in my opinion, is no exception.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 11, 2009, 08:43:19 PM
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I don't see the deal with the Katana at all. Sure, Predators are tougher and more resilient, but they are still made of muscle tissue and they bleed. A Katana has no problem cutting through bone and cutting regular people in half. A Predator, in my opinion, is no exception.
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Predator 2 and to a lesser extent, the AvP films established that Predator skin is just as strong as either Rhino hide or a natural form of kevlar. They are able to take shots at pointblank range from a shotgun and get back up from it like nothing ever even happened.
A katana is able to slice through a person. Human skin and muscle isn't really as strong or as dense as Predator skin and muscle, which is strong enough to stop small calibur bullets and withstand up to shotgun blast.
Is a katana able to slice through kevlar scale armoring or rhino hide? If so, show me proof.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 11, 2009, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 11, 2009, 08:43:19 PM
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I don't see the deal with the Katana at all. Sure, Predators are tougher and more resilient, but they are still made of muscle tissue and they bleed. A Katana has no problem cutting through bone and cutting regular people in half. A Predator, in my opinion, is no exception.
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Predator 2 and to a lesser extent, the AvP films established that Predator skin is just as strong as either Rhino hide or a natural form of kevlar. They are able to take shots at pointblank range from a shotgun and get back up from it like nothing ever even happened.
A katana is able to slice through a person. Human skin and muscle isn't really as strong or as dense as Predator skin and muscle, which is strong enough to stop small calibur bullets and withstand up to shotgun blast.
Is a katana able to slice through kevlar scale armoring or rhino hide? If so, show me proof.
-Rakai'Thwei
That would be a cool pic. ;D
I believe RR and co will be taking the Predators and future movies in a new direction...
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The script hints at a civil war of sorts between the BSP and normal Preds. Based on the script it appears that the BSP have no honour and believe that they should be the dominant species and hence why when ever someone defeats one of their species they genetically enhance themselves to ensure that this wont happen again - they come back bigger and badder! The script even hints at the possibility that the Black Predators incorporate the DNA of their defeated foes to make them stronger, hence explaining the difference in features and behaviour between the BSP and the normal Preds. This level of manipulation may have caused a rift with the "pure" Preds who do not think genetic engineering is honourable hence resulting a civil war!
Future movies, involving Royce, will expand on this. This is my take. This could explain why Dutch was with the Predator in the end - may be he was captured by the BSP to be killed and assimilated into their genome to make them better however he was rescued by the normal Predators and unwittingly became a warrior in their battles with the BSP. Royce will now also become involved.
whats the description of the supers
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 11, 2009, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 11, 2009, 08:43:19 PM
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I don't see the deal with the Katana at all. Sure, Predators are tougher and more resilient, but they are still made of muscle tissue and they bleed. A Katana has no problem cutting through bone and cutting regular people in half. A Predator, in my opinion, is no exception.
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Predator 2 and to a lesser extent, the AvP films established that Predator skin is just as strong as either Rhino hide or a natural form of kevlar. They are able to take shots at pointblank range from a shotgun and get back up from it like nothing ever even happened.
A katana is able to slice through a person. Human skin and muscle isn't really as strong or as dense as Predator skin and muscle, which is strong enough to stop small calibur bullets and withstand up to shotgun blast.
Is a katana able to slice through kevlar scale armoring or rhino hide? If so, show me proof.
-Rakai'Thwei
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One wack with a Katana wouldn't do it. Possibly five or six good wacks but then I just think it will look stupid on film.
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 11, 2009, 08:50:48 PM
I believe RR and co will be taking the Predators and future movies in a new direction...
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The script hints at a civil war of sorts between the BSP and normal Preds. Based on the script it appears that the BSP have no honour and believe that they should be the dominant species and hence why when ever someone defeats one of their species they genetically enhance themselves to ensure that this wont happen again - they come back bigger and badder! The script even hints at the possibility that the Black Predators incorporate the DNA of their defeated foes to make them stronger, hence explaining the difference in features and behaviour between the BSP and the normal Preds. This level of manipulation may have caused a rift with the "pure" Preds who do not think genetic engineering is honourable hence resulting a civil war!
Future movies, involving Royce, will expand on this. This is my take. This could explain why Dutch was with the Predator in the end - may be he was captured by the BSP to be killed and assimilated into their genome to make them better however he was rescued by the normal Predators and unwittingly became a warrior in their battles with the BSP. Royce will now also become involved.
That sounds like something out of the new Dark Horse comics which, if you ask me, are crap.
-Rakai'Thwei
This movie is called Predators (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsu?from=Main.ConservationOfNinjitsu), you say?
I have yet to muster the inner strength to read this but I've been reading the spoilers and oh boy I sure can't wait for these Preds to be the ones featured in future games/novels/comics.
:(
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 11, 2009, 08:50:48 PM
I believe RR and co will be taking the Predators and future movies in a new direction...
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The script hints at a civil war of sorts between the BSP and normal Preds. Based on the script it appears that the BSP have no honour and believe that they should be the dominant species and hence why when ever someone defeats one of their species they genetically enhance themselves to ensure that this wont happen again - they come back bigger and badder! The script even hints at the possibility that the Black Predators incorporate the DNA of their defeated foes to make them stronger, hence explaining the difference in features and behaviour between the BSP and the normal Preds. This level of manipulation may have caused a rift with the "pure" Preds who do not think genetic engineering is honourable hence resulting a civil war!
Future movies, involving Royce, will expand on this. This is my take. This could explain why Dutch was with the Predator in the end - may be he was captured by the BSP to be killed and assimilated into their genome to make them better however he was rescued by the normal Predators and unwittingly became a warrior in their battles with the BSP. Royce will now also become involved.
For some reason I actually like those ideas. :)
does it describe what there face looks like or just the armor?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 11, 2009, 08:48:00 PM
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Predator 2 and to a lesser extent, the AvP films established that Predator skin is just as strong as either Rhino hide or a natural form of kevlar. They are able to take shots at pointblank range from a shotgun and get back up from it like nothing ever even happened.
A katana is able to slice through a person. Human skin and muscle isn't really as strong or as dense as Predator skin and muscle, which is strong enough to stop small calibur bullets and withstand up to shotgun blast.
Is a katana able to slice through kevlar scale armoring or rhino hide? If so, show me proof.
-Rakai'Thwei
Yes, Predators are tough, but they can still be injured. I don't know where you get that Predators are resilient to cuts, especially where has it been shown in any of the AvP movies that Alien claws don't do much? I can't recall ever seeing an Alien trying to claw a Predator, which should've have happenend a lot of times, except for Grid leaving it's mark on Celtic's helmet.
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Quote from: Dusk on Nov 11, 2009, 08:43:19 PM
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I don't see the deal with the Katana at all. Sure, Predators are tougher and more resilient, but they are still made of muscle tissue and they bleed. A Katana has no problem cutting through bone and cutting regular people in half. A Predator, in my opinion, is no exception.
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Predator 2 and to a lesser extent, the AvP films established that Predator skin is just as strong as either Rhino hide or a natural form of kevlar. They are able to take shots at pointblank range from a shotgun and get back up from it like nothing ever even happened.
A katana is able to slice through a person. Human skin and muscle isn't really as strong or as dense as Predator skin and muscle, which is strong enough to stop small calibur bullets and withstand up to shotgun blast.
Is a katana able to slice through kevlar scale armoring or rhino hide? If so, show me proof.
-Rakai'Thwei
Well, it can slice through bullets. :P
omg. :-[
If this is what tey will make,the actual movie. Holly s###!.
It sucks as much as andersons AvP.
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And the alternate ending involting Duch is just soooo wrong.Super predators my a##
Predator1,Predator2-there is nothing more,and never will be.
Another abomination. >:(
Quote from: bobcunk on Nov 11, 2009, 09:03:57 PM
does it describe what there face looks like or just the armor?
Face and armour, imagine Scar's face but only worse, much worse.
Jesus H. Christ, that was utter garbage. Can't say I'm surprised.
The BSP's facial description is so bad, it makes Scar look badass. It's sad. But it could've changed.
Is there anything sensible in this script? :-\
Well, I'm not going to read this, but its very unsettling to hear that the Arnie cameo is the worst part of it, and the Predator creatures are one of the best. Very odd.
But remember that KNB said they wanted to get back to the original designs for the predators so I think the descriptions in the script will be somewhat different than whats seen on screen.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 11, 2009, 04:50:23 PM
QuoteOr perhaps you could stop reacting as if an affront to the Predator was an insult against you? Johnny, I have very little against you - only that you react with personal insults when they're uncalled for. Apart from that, I really don't find you unpleasant or confrontational in any way and while I've given you the benefit of the doubt thus far, I feel as if I should begin reporting you for posts such as that.
Feel free to report me, i don't give a shit.
You only come to this board to shitcan the movies, now even going as far as saying they are ridiculous, that's your opinion fine, but you said it often enough on the alien board, and now you're coming to the predator board, the only reason you post it is either being totally arrogant or you're looking for trouble.
Way I see it, you're the one looking for trouble by insulting him. I see you've dropped it, but I got the report just now and I'll only say this once: tread lightly.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 11, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 11, 2009, 04:50:23 PM
QuoteOr perhaps you could stop reacting as if an affront to the Predator was an insult against you? Johnny, I have very little against you - only that you react with personal insults when they're uncalled for. Apart from that, I really don't find you unpleasant or confrontational in any way and while I've given you the benefit of the doubt thus far, I feel as if I should begin reporting you for posts such as that.
Feel free to report me, i don't give a shit.
You only come to this board to shitcan the movies, now even going as far as saying they are ridiculous, that's your opinion fine, but you said it often enough on the alien board, and now you're coming to the predator board, the only reason you post it is either being totally arrogant or you're looking for trouble.
Way I see it, you're the one looking for trouble by insulting him. I see you've dropped it, but I got the report just now and I'll only say this once: tread lightly.
I didn't insult him, i told him to get the hell out, which i still think he should do with his flaming comments about Predator in the
Predators board, what did he think he would get, praise? Praise for dumbing down the movie on a board that's about the movie he's shitting on?
Next time i go to the alien board and say the movie is ridiculous, dumb and brainless and then report all the responses i get, which i would bet on, aren't positive. :)
Actually in Predator movie. In the script there should been more predators, but they changed that so if turned to be only one predator. In sequel they put more predators, as it was suposed to be in first one.
can someone please try to explain this part of the script about Isabelle...
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And then something... changes in Isabelle's eyes.
Something not quite human. Rippling under the skin. As if
some unseen creature is stirring within.
And then Edwin knows terror. Off his scream,
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 11, 2009, 10:17:21 PM
can someone please try to explain this part of the script about Isabelle...
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And then something... changes in Isabelle's eyes.
Something not quite human. Rippling under the skin. As if
some unseen creature is stirring within.
And then Edwin knows terror. Off his scream,
I didnt get that part as well.
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 11, 2009, 10:17:21 PM
can someone please try to explain this part of the script about Isabelle...
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And then something... changes in Isabelle's eyes.
Something not quite human. Rippling under the skin. As if
some unseen creature is stirring within.
And then Edwin knows terror. Off his scream,
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I can only assume that she goes apeshit on him. Maybe she was known for more than being a good sniper.
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Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 11, 2009, 10:17:21 PM
can someone please try to explain this part of the script about Isabelle...
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And then something... changes in Isabelle's eyes.
Something not quite human. Rippling under the skin. As if
some unseen creature is stirring within.
And then Edwin knows terror. Off his scream,
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I can only assume that she goes apeshit on him. Maybe she was known for more than being a good sniper.
Sounds like she has a Chestburster. : p
Im not liking what Im hearing about the script.
Well this isn`t great script. It is more like a spin off to the P1/P2 than a sequel to it cause
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Black Super Predators aren`t predators, they are mutants
. I`m glad it isn`t called Predator 3. And Duch`s ending..... Well God forbid it to get into to any film. This is the shittiest (there is no such word I know but it should be) part of script. It is as bad as Predalien and all of it`s features in AvP-R.
And one more thing. I hope that BSP are going to have green blood once again.
It's wrong to read it, I'm not going to, it will ruine all of the surprise.
Quote from: Master on Nov 11, 2009, 10:42:27 PM
Well this isn`t great script. It is more like a spin off to the P1/P2 than a sequel
I'm already considering it as a horrible AU.
-Rakai'Thwei
It`ll be a bad surprise then. Read it. You`ll forget most of it until it hit`s cinemas.
My thoughts:
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Hanzo cutting a predator in half with a katana would not work. Yead swords can be very sharp and katanas were curved to specialize in cutting, but cutting cleanly through human muscle and bone is very hard, especially in just one strike. I would imagine that cutting through a predator would be even tougher given their stronger skin, larger mass, and possible stonger bones (to support their stonger muscles/weight), and armor. Regardless of skill.
I have never used a sword before but swords are lightsabers.
Also the BSP and SPs sound lame.
The humans and dogs/birds are interesting though.
That's is so damn funny, everyone now digs the dogs and birds and hates the Predators.. before the script it was the other way around :D
not bad lets hope the special FX will give it the edge. I'd really like it though if the preds kick our asses it just seems more realistic.
I wont read it but from the responses it looks like the movie will be worse than AVPR.
:(
QuoteI wont read it but from the responses it looks like the movie will be worse than AVPR.
Not at all, people are exaggerating here. The only things that really suck about this draft are the descriptions of the predators, - which could be different on screen for all we know -, the alternate ending that probably won't be used anyway, and others tiny details like the color of the blood that aren't really a big deal... can be easily fixed.
Overall it's a solid basis for the movie, with some arrangements, it'll be far way better than the avps... it already is...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 11, 2009, 10:03:01 PM
I didn't insult him, i told him to get the hell out, which i still think he should do with his flaming comments about Predator in the Predators board, what did he think he would get, praise? Praise for dumbing down the movie on a board that's about the movie he's shitting on?
Next time i go to the alien board and say the movie is ridiculous, dumb and brainless and then report all the responses i get, which i would bet on, aren't positive. :)
Johnny, I think
Predator is an
excellent movie.
It's also an 80s action flick, so it gets ridiculous. That's not a bad thing, since the movie's quality compensates for it, but there's nothing restrained or subtle about it -
Predator grabs you by the balls in ten minutes and doesn't let go until the credits.
I want to conflict with other members here as seldom as possible, and not over opinions of old movies and their monsters. There's absolutely no point to your aggression and I don't want you bringing out the same in me. Let's be friends. :)
Anyway, I've said my piece about the movie now.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Nov 11, 2009, 10:54:34 PM
It's wrong to read it, I'm not going to, it will ruine all of the surprise.
Just by posting in this thread, you've exposed yourself to spoilers.
I've read 3/4 of the script and i absolutely LOVE IT. I hope the final act will deliver. Some minor stupidity here and there, but overall the whole look of movie is superb as a successor to the previous two entries. And i'm not being sarcastic, i'm deadly serious!
Predators are feral, brutal, and completely alien in their behaviour. At last someone ignored and avoided that f***ing mumbo jumbo "PREDATYRS R SPACE SAMURAIS WITH CODE!!!!one111eleven" and presents them as creatures known from the movies: totally unpredictible, taking everything depending on situation by any means necessary, brutal, mysterious and absolutely unexplainable by human terms, besides HUNT. Uber-awesome. I'm not suprised Johnny received quite a shock, because this movie will pull one hell of a dent in his code of rules compiled somewhere over predator movies forum, based heavily on the mind-bug planted by comics and novels (whoever throw there that link about star trek mind bugs - great job and very interesting reading, thanks!)
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also i absolutely love the fact of predators stealing, or more like taking technological gadgets, of their prey they pick up and throw onto the planet to hunt and implementing it for their own purpose, which theory presented by someone over predator movie forums i like very much, excellent job in executing this in script
Thankfully, at last real awesome mysterious predator instead of klingons variation beloved by many. Now Predators fan base will have awesome movie showing, that Predators are not f***ing space samurais, flushing down the toilet horrible AVP freaks of cinematography nature. Now all we need, is Ridley to deliver and give movie, which show, that Aliens are not f***ing space ants :)
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 11, 2009, 11:19:40 PM
QuoteI wont read it but from the responses it looks like the movie will be worse than AVPR.
Not at all, people are exaggerating here. The only things that really suck about this draft are the descriptions of the predators, - which could be different on screen for all we know -, the alternate ending that probably won't be used anyway, and others tiny details like the color of the blood that aren't really a big deal... can be easily fixed.
Overall it's a solid basis for the movie, with some arrangements, it'll be far way better than the avps... it already is...
I agree, I'd be willing to bet we get preds that resemble the original.
QuoteI've read 3/4 of the script and i absolutely LOVE IT. I hope the final act will deliver. Some minor stupidity here and there, but overall the whole look of movie is superb as a successor to the previous two entries. And i'm not being sarcastic, i'm deadly serious!
The last act is badass except for the alternate ending. Which hopefully wont be used.
I hope they just dumped the whole Super Predator concept. There's really no reason for them to be different from other Predators. It's just a change for the hell of it.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 11, 2009, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 11, 2009, 08:43:19 PM
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I don't see the deal with the Katana at all. Sure, Predators are tougher and more resilient, but they are still made of muscle tissue and they bleed. A Katana has no problem cutting through bone and cutting regular people in half. A Predator, in my opinion, is no exception.
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Predator 2 and to a lesser extent, the AvP films established that Predator skin is just as strong as either Rhino hide or a natural form of kevlar. They are able to take shots at pointblank range from a shotgun and get back up from it like nothing ever even happened.
A katana is able to slice through a person. Human skin and muscle isn't really as strong or as dense as Predator skin and muscle, which is strong enough to stop small calibur bullets and withstand up to shotgun blast.
Is a katana able to slice through kevlar scale armoring or rhino hide? If so, show me proof.
-Rakai'Thwei
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They did on natural geographic last year. REAL Katanas were tested on people or fiber/bambo combos with the same consistency, If it failed to cut either in half with one swing, it went back into the fire. The ENTIRE point of a Katana is killing someone in armor in one hit with a minimum of effort or motion.
And Alex is correct. Anytime was f**ked after being hit with tree; he wasn't going to get up and walk away, and he never was hit with a mine or grenade, he was hit with a homemade arrow with over half the explosive removed and no solid cap. Dutch already knew it wouldn't kill him outright or he wouldn't have kept moving.
Anyway, the script is laugh out loud bad. There are gems that could be massaged into decent concepts, but with the kind of budget and time we're talking about, those changes would have needed to be made before shooting began.
Yes, Predator has it's share of DUH and I'M A MAN's MAN AND THIS IS THE 80s, BITCHES moments, but they all occurred before Anytime brought himself into the picture, after his arrival it was srs bzns times. Anytime was scary because he no regard, no morality other than what appealed to him to do and was obviously very good at his chosen hobby/job/whatever. The Predators presented here are like a bad reptilian parody of gang you'd find in Juarez on a Friday night. In the 70s. Hopefully some big ass rewrites were in order, but given what news we have, that doesn't seem to be the case. All flash and OOOOH and no susbstance, no meat. Basically like the amazingly bad Crow sequel where they thought of cool ways to kill people and then realized shortly there after they had to write the rest of script, too.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 11, 2009, 11:46:34 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Nov 11, 2009, 10:54:34 PM
It's wrong to read it, I'm not going to, it will ruine all of the surprise.
Just by posting in this thread, you've exposed yourself to spoilers.
Your telling me what I saw now? All I read was "Predator script leaked" and then I posted my comment.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Nov 12, 2009, 12:29:38 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 11, 2009, 11:46:34 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Nov 11, 2009, 10:54:34 PM
It's wrong to read it, I'm not going to, it will ruine all of the surprise.
Just by posting in this thread, you've exposed yourself to spoilers.
Your telling me what I saw now? All I read was "Predator script leaked" and then I posted my comment.
Now you're exposing yourself even more.
They should put in the word Spoilers at the thread title, although it is rather obvious. Everybody so far has been trying their hardest not to give anything away without marking it.
Overall I like the script, except the alternate ending
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dutch being part of a predator clan and be their leader? wtf?? it's so dumb and out of sense that it makes me sick
But if they make some changes:
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BSP/SP being normal preds (no mutation and black blood). i loved the red eyes tough. Just bad blood preds.
Ah and the regular pred shouldn't die. It would be nice to see him being taken down, BSP then fights Royce, and when Royce sees himself almost getting killed the regular pred would reappear and do the trophy kill on BSP ripping is spine.
it would be a hell of a movie
I'm going to take a few hours to myself, in a while, sit down and read this from start to finish, with a mind to what the previous version had been like.
My expectations are fairly low. I'll either end up thinking it's tolerable or laughing.
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Yeah, I was pissed that the old school predator got killed. I thought for sure he'd kill SBP! It seemed to be set up that way when I was reading it. Also, I got the vibe the writers were saying "out with the old and in with new" with that death.
It came across as a half decent action flick, with not one but two shitty endings.
A guy posted on imdb and said this is not the shooting script. he said he has the shooting script.
Quote from: Trey Smith on Nov 12, 2009, 01:20:14 AM
A guy posted on imdb and said this is not the shooting script. he said he has the shooting script.
Then either get said script, upload it on MediaFire or Sendspace or MegaUpload and share it with us all here.
-Rakai'Thwei
Ok, I just skipped to the alternate ending and WTF! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
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To everybody saying Arnold won't do it... Ummm.. hate to break it to you but remember Batman and Robin when he played Mr. Freeze? Yeah...
But... sliver of hope he doesn't accept!!
-Rakai'Thwei
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His other current duties may preclude him
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So these new Black Super Predators are genetically engineered Predators? With black blood? Is that right? I haven't read the script, I'm just going by what people posted.
Quote from: Ultrapredator on Nov 12, 2009, 02:02:20 AM
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So these new Black Super Predators are genetically engineered Predators? With black blood? Is that right? I haven't read the script, I'm just going by what people posted.
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"Think Predator gone terribly wrong. A mutated version. No
nose. Oversized mandibles. Slimy reptilian skin. Red eyes
full of venom and hate." directly from the script
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So they say it "looks" mutated, but does that mean it really is?
Quote from: Ultrapredator on Nov 12, 2009, 02:07:21 AM
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So they say it "looks" mutated, but does that mean it really is?
it doesn't say nothing more
Well, I'm not bugged by it. Design seems promising, I'm liking it so far. How's their kill record?
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Noland talks about how sometimes when the Predators return they've changed themselves as well as they're weapons. Changing the blood to black seemed unnecessarily stupid. It'd be like an Alien without acid for blood. And speaking of acid - acid rain? That doesn't kill the jungle foliage?
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2009, 02:19:57 AM
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Noland talks about how sometimes when the Predators return they've changed themselves as well as they're weapons. Changing the blood to black seemed unnecessarily stupid. It'd be like an Alien without acid for blood. And speaking of acid - acid rain? That doesn't kill the jungle foliage?
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Wait, why would they need to do that shit? It seems so stupid and wrong. Predators are already physically a force to be reconed with and their technology surpasses anything we can throw at them. I mean seriously.. what the hell?
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 12, 2009, 02:34:31 AM
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Wait, why would they need to do that shit? It seems so stupid and wrong. Predators are already physically a force to be reconed with and their technology surpasses anything we can throw at them. I mean seriously.. what the hell?
-Rakai'Thwei
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Because - as Noland says - "Every so often, one of us kills one of them" As we've already seen in the existing films.
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2009, 02:38:55 AM
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Because - as Noland says - "Every so often, one of us kills one of them" As we've already seen in the existing films.
Then that is just plain flat out f**king stupid. I hope this doesn't generalize the whole race.
-Rakai'Thwei
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I think the fact there's one normal Predator in the flick would've made that fairly obvious
Can someone just put a big SPOILER tag on the title of this thread so we don't keep having posting everything like this?
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2009, 02:46:53 AM
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I think the fact there's one normal Predator in the flick would've made that fairly obvious
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If it's just one clan than I can understand. Different clan, different beliefs, different rules. I believe it's just one clan anyway but the idea of Predators mutating themselves into superior (superior my foot, more like inferior) beast just seems really stupid to me and nothing remotely Predator.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 12, 2009, 02:50:32 AM
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If it's just one clan than I can understand. Different clan, different beliefs, different rules. I believe it's just one clan anyway but the idea of Predators mutating themselves into superior (superior my foot, more like inferior) beast just seems really stupid to me and nothing remotely Predator.
-Rakai'Thwei
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Meh, I dunno. A lot of Predboys claim that Predators 'live for the hunt'. They'd upgrade their weapons to deal with a more dangerous prey. Stands to reason upgrading themselves would be the next logical step.
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2009, 02:56:19 AM
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Meh, I dunno. A lot of Predboys claim that Predators 'live for the hunt'. They'd upgrade their weapons to deal with a more dangerous prey. Stands to reason upgrading themselves would be the next logical step.
I don't know how to respond to that. I mean I do, but if I say it-- people will start pointing the shame finger and say I'm wrong.
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All I can say is, by that logic, then everytime a Predator dies in the hunt, the entire race panics and suddenly undergoes genetic make overs to make themselves feel better.
-Rakai'Thwei
just the term black super predator pisses me off! I would have been happier if they referred to them as BLACK DEATH WARRIOR PREDATORS and not genetically modified predators with BLACK BLOOD ?!? but instead a nearly extinct tribe that the classic predators confined to this planet due to their uncontrollable blood lust and less than Honorable tendencies maybe even elude that the planet isn't so much a game hunting ground but a proving ground set up by the predators to test the mettle of species though the Galaxy well maybe that realization should come at the end and at the beginning its assumed that it is a hunting ground. both endings SUCK !! and are confusing which is really disappointing considering how good almost everything is at the beginning the middle and just before the end well maybe 10 or 12 pages from the end hopefully they will change some of that stuff before they release this movie
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 12, 2009, 03:17:29 AM
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All I can say is, by that logic, then everytime a Predator dies in the hunt, the entire race panics and suddenly undergoes genetic make overs to make themselves feel better.
-Rakai'Thwei
Hey, I didn't say there was any real logic - just warped movie logic. ;D
Slapped on some spoiler tags to the title.
Yaaaaay Super Black Spoilers! :D
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2009, 03:20:03 AM
Hey, I didn't say there was any real logic - just warped movie logic. ;D
So if it's on screen, it makes it right?
-Rakai'Thwei
You're asking the wrong guy.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 12, 2009, 03:28:53 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2009, 03:20:03 AM
Hey, I didn't say there was any real logic - just warped movie logic. ;D
So if it's on screen, it makes it right?
-Rakai'Thwei
You realize FOX is concerned about cache being being turned into monetary dividends and nothing else right? They didn't earn the reputation they have by accident, they earned it by experience and design.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 12, 2009, 04:06:13 AM
You realize FOX is concerned about cache being being turned into monetary dividends and nothing else right? The didn't earn the reputation they have by accident, they earned by experience and design.
You're preaching to the choir.
-Rakai'Thwei
So your earlier question was rhetorical then?
Especially with Predator as opposed to say Alien, FOX showed the initiative to do whatever to get a financial dividend on the books, as was given AS a given in the initial press of the project. They basically said "we're taking the base idea and turning everything up to 11." Well, just like the film where everything got turned up to 11, most of those results are humorous, bordering on the absurd.
As vehtam pointed out, familiarity and dilution have bred contempt. Fans who bought ANYTHING with T3H PREDATAR!!!!!111111unoeleventyeleven in it, no matter what the quality was, are just as much to blame as the companies that produced the bastardized concepts that this movie draws from.
"I want like, the Preds and stuff, but like MORE BADASS"
Well, here ya go. MOAR BADASS.
Quote from: Nemmesyz on Nov 12, 2009, 12:44:24 AM
Overall I like the script, except the alternate ending Spoiler
dutch being part of a predator clan and be their leader? wtf?? it's so dumb and out of sense that it makes me sick
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BSP/SP being normal preds (no mutation and black blood). i loved the red eyes tough. Just bad blood preds.
Ah and the regular pred shouldn't die. It would be nice to see him being taken down, BSP then fights Royce, and when Royce sees himself almost getting killed the regular pred would reappear and do the trophy kill on BSP ripping is spine.
That would be a great ending!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2009, 04:08:20 AM
So your earlier question was rhetorical then?
Yes. Yes it was.
-Rakai'Thwei
The Good:
Awesome set up and characters, especially Royce and Noland. The first 30 pages of the script are very SOLID and slow building in the tension department. I was very into the script by this point. The dog scene was effective. Can't wait to see pics of those. The Falcones too seem to be a promising addition to the franchise. Also the nods to the first film are fun and don't drive the story like AvPR did. The scene described as hell should be pretty nasty looking if done right.
The Bad:
The new Clan of predators. Some people dig it, some don't. I with the ladder. I'm just not impressed with how they're done. This is the main part of the movie I'm looking forward to and right now it's looking bad. Could I be wrong? Yeah, sure but a repeat of AvPR keeps popping up in my head.
The Ugly:
The endings. Both of them.
things that need to be changed
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SP need to be bad blood predators. the normal predator should kill SBP
QuoteThe scene described as hell should be pretty nasty looking if done right.
Which one? If ever there was an overused word in a script...
QuoteSP need to be bad blood predators. the normal predator should kill SBP
Think we can dispense with the 'Spoiler' thing now since Aeus changed the title.
Since the SBP Predator nailed the Predator to a post - isn't he already a bad blood?
I'm an Aliens fan first and foremost, but I enjoyed this script. I can understand the concerns of predator fans with some of the more blatent changes to the predators, but I must say...if 90% of this version of the script hits the screen the film will be action packed. Not alot of substance as far as pushing the Predator mythology forward, but a great action packed story to say the least.
Oh....and lose the alternate ending.
Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2009, 04:34:55 AM
QuoteThe scene described as hell should be pretty nasty looking if done right.
Which one? If ever there was an overused word in a script...
QuoteSP need to be bad blood predators. the normal predator should kill SBP
Think we can dispense with the 'Spoiler' thing now since Aeus changed the title.
Since the SBP Predator nailed the Predator to a post - isn't he already a bad blood?
Yeah they used that word a lot. Anyway, the scene where they discover the crucified predator.
Yeah I remember the one. Problem was they said it looked like hell, but the way that scene was then described didn't sound particularly hellish.
One thing I liked was some actual use for the Predator 'mimic' thing. Was that ever used for anything useful except gags in the original films?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 12, 2009, 04:20:17 AM
The Bad:
The new Clan of predators. Some people dig it, some don't. I with the ladder. I'm just not impressed with how they're done. This is the main part of the movie I'm looking forward to and right now it's looking bad. Could I be wrong? Yeah, sure but a repeat of AvPR keeps popping up in my head.
The Ugly:
The endings. Both of them.
I don't dig the new clan of Predators.. At ALL. The idea of a clan of mutant Predators just seems stupid. Not to mention that it would work better if this were a clan of Bad Bloods which would make alot more sense. I'm also not digging how the old school Predator, who is infact, the REAL Predator is just outright offed in the movie by Rodriguez's Super Black Predator. It seems like a symbolic "in with the new, out with the old" thing going on. I just see it as being something disrespectful.
And both the endings suck. If you ask me... these ideas seem really juvenile, but then again, I expected this from Rodriguez..
-Rakai'Thwei
The mutants sure sound like Bad Bloods to me. One of them just shoots Noland.
Then another fights Japanese Stereotype guy instead of shooting. A Bad Blood would look just like a normal Predator wouldn't it? Making the fight between one of them and the 'good' Predator a teensy bit confusing. Plus if they make it big and bad and black, it'll make people forget the similarities with the first film. Surprised someone didn't say "GET TO DAH PREDDADAH SHIP!"
F*ckin aye....
I just read the entire script. Holly crap I learned to apreciate AVP and Requiem so much more after reading this nonsense. Sadly I will never get my wasted time back but at least I know better now to keep my money in my wallet and not give it to the theater or these hacks who just destroyed my second favorite horror characters. Our only redemption now is Ridley and his prequal... which at this point I don't think is saying much anymore....
R.I.P Predator :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I'm about to download it right now and hope to god that It's not as horrible as the original script.....No i did not read any of the posts on this thread, so MEH!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 12, 2009, 05:18:27 AM
I'm about to download it right now and hope to god that It's not as horrible as the original script.....No i did not read any of the posts on this thread, so MEH!
Its not that far from the original as far as talent and imagination.
So it;s f**king horrible?! Well, might as well read it anyway.
Cartoonish exaggeration of base concepts, complete with some wtf and solid moments to boot. Not really that different from the original.
Predageddon in 3-2...
Maybe I'm confused..or just don't understand what Predator fans expect...what exactly is a Predator film supposed to be? I read the script from start to finish in one sitting and found it quite enjoyable for what it is, which is an action piece. I can understand the concern with the whole super Predator thing, but I thought the additions of the hounds and the falcon were actually pretty cool and look forward to seeing them on screen. Plus you get to see Predator on Predator to the death, which hasn't been done before in a film. What, exactly, is SO wrong with this script?
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 12, 2009, 05:21:39 AM
Cartoonish exaggeration of base concepts, complete with some wtf and solid moments to boot. Not really that different from the original.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 12, 2009, 05:21:39 AM
Cartoonish exaggeration of base concepts, complete with some wtf and solid moments to boot. Not really that different from the original.
HAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!
Ok, i'm reading it right now, i'll just check up on this thread every few pages into reading the script or so.
QuoteWhat, exactly, is SO wrong with this script?
No Dutch.
Oh wait- nevermind....
Oh dear god, they still kept the damn pred tech on humans bullshit? Good lord, it's deja vu all over again.
EDIT: Maybe i'm speaking too soon lol.
Quote from: scorpio95628 on Nov 12, 2009, 05:23:10 AM
Maybe I'm confused..or just don't understand what Predator fans expect...what exactly is a Predator film supposed to be? I read the script from start to finish in one sitting and found it quite enjoyable for what it is, which is an action piece. I can understand the concern with the whole super Predator thing, but I thought the additions of the hounds and the falcon were actually pretty cool and look forward to seeing them on screen. Plus you get to see Predator on Predator to the death, which hasn't been done before in a film. What, exactly, is SO wrong with this script?
There's nothing wrong with it, people are jumping the gun. The script is quite good, just a few intpicky things about the preds that people dont like, but I for one don't mind them.
Quote from: scorpio95628 on Nov 12, 2009, 05:23:10 AM
Maybe I'm confused..or just don't understand what Predator fans expect...what exactly is a Predator film supposed to be? I read the script from start to finish in one sitting and found it quite enjoyable for what it is, which is an action piece. I can understand the concern with the whole super Predator thing, but I thought the additions of the hounds and the falcon were actually pretty cool and look forward to seeing them on screen. Plus you get to see Predator on Predator to the death, which hasn't been done before in a film. What, exactly, is SO wrong with this script?
Plenty. When you "need" to change the base element of antagonism (ie the Predator) to make to movie "better", you're already off the f**king rails. see: A:R, AvP:R.
OMFG, Danny Trejo's entrance is just stupid as hell, i'm visualising it in my mind and i'm just shaking my head on how stupid it looks like.
Quote from: Hybrid PM on Nov 12, 2009, 05:26:41 AM
Quote from: scorpio95628 on Nov 12, 2009, 05:23:10 AM
Maybe I'm confused..or just don't understand what Predator fans expect...what exactly is a Predator film supposed to be? I read the script from start to finish in one sitting and found it quite enjoyable for what it is, which is an action piece. I can understand the concern with the whole super Predator thing, but I thought the additions of the hounds and the falcon were actually pretty cool and look forward to seeing them on screen. Plus you get to see Predator on Predator to the death, which hasn't been done before in a film. What, exactly, is SO wrong with this script?
There's nothing wrong with it, people are jumping the gun. The script is quite good, just a few intpicky things about the preds that people dont like, but I for one don't mind them.
I agree. Should be quite an exciting film to watch.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 12, 2009, 05:28:17 AM
Quote from: scorpio95628 on Nov 12, 2009, 05:23:10 AM
Maybe I'm confused..or just don't understand what Predator fans expect...what exactly is a Predator film supposed to be? I read the script from start to finish in one sitting and found it quite enjoyable for what it is, which is an action piece. I can understand the concern with the whole super Predator thing, but I thought the additions of the hounds and the falcon were actually pretty cool and look forward to seeing them on screen. Plus you get to see Predator on Predator to the death, which hasn't been done before in a film. What, exactly, is SO wrong with this script?
Plenty. When you "need" to change the base element of antagonism (ie the Predator) to make to movie "better", you're already off the f**king rails. see: A:R, AvP:R.
Can you explain further please?
Predators aren't badass enough, so they need to create a super Predator. Who's black.
LOL :D ok, ok...I see the point with that. But are we sure the Predator itself is black, or that it's armor is black? I can't recall a point in the script where it refers to the predator itself being black, but do recall a reference to it's armor being black. Other than that the only other change I noticed was the black blood part.
Quote from: scorpio95628 on Nov 12, 2009, 05:34:04 AM
Can you explain further please?
Haven't you been paying attention to these forums? Any change or evolution of the title characters is bad.
That being said, though, Predators do not bleed black.
The preds are bleeding black? BS! No way, I won't believe that until I read it myself, so far the hellhounds are the only ones' bleeding black....on pg 26 now.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 12, 2009, 05:44:26 AM
Quote from: scorpio95628 on Nov 12, 2009, 05:34:04 AM
Can you explain further please?
Haven't you been paying attention to these forums? Any change or evolution of the title characters is bad.
That being said, though, Predators do not bleed black.
LOL...so true, so true ;D
Even his white bits are black.
My thoughts.
Here is what I get from reading between the lines. The point of the Super Preds is that they are repeatedly sent out against prey over and over, and improved every time they fail. Perhaps these Preds are a warrior caste of sorts.
Predator 1/2 was a big game hunter, maybe these predators are elite soldiers in development, not hunters. Its an explanation I can accept.
I was bothered by the Cretaceous Era Earth plant on the Predator world. Predators mucking around on Earth for the last 100 million years isn't just dumb, it is insane. Not to mention an accountant being able to identify a plant that would only be based off a fossil. And how would we recognize a fossil as being poisonous? I'm no paleobotanist, but I am pretty sure you can't. And definitely not well enough to know its lethality. Not to mention the 100 million years of evolution the plant has gone through since being transplanted. The plant mention made me fully expect a dinosaur cameo in the movie. I would welcome that insanity just for the sheer awesomeness of a Predator fighting Raptors or something.
Also, the reference to jagged chunks of planet floating in the sky makes me nervous. Better not be chunks of the very planet they are standing on, because if it is, this movie would definitely move into the realm of sheer fantasy. Might as well call the planet Outlands then.
Acid rain not harming the plants there is fine. Native plants would adapt to the acid rain or die, if the rains where always acidic. Or maybe the acid rain is a fairly recent development. Maybe the ship entering the atmosphere caused the acid rain as a byproduct of its drive systems.
(EDIT) It does mention plants closing up, so they had evolved a reaction to the stimuli of acid rain, making it highly likely that the rains are always acidic.
I like seeing other alien creatures. Did anyone think the bone-blade alien might be intelligent?
Really, you can't expect all predators to be big game hunters... they really do need to have a full society. Although, I think we should never see that society, just individual hunters bumping into humans and what not on trips.
Ditch the alt ending.
Is Isabelle an alien shape-shifter or something? That might be neat, actually.
Keep the blood green. Wouldn't expect genetic tinkering to change the blood that much, while still keeping the basic Predator form. Plus the blood is very iconic.
Shooting bullets mid-flight is retarded.
If a Cretaceous plant was there, the oxygen level would be 60% higher by composition than it is now, which would render the atmosphere lethal to humans and almost certainly Preds as well, who already have trouble enough breathing without the Mask. This how well the folks in composition are paying attention. The acid rain also doesn't fit, it means the atmosphere contains a shitload of sulfur monoxide or something similar... which turns into acid in the presence of oxygen. With 60% more oxygen for Cretaceous era plants in the atmosphere that shit would scald you alive (for as long as you were alive).
All of this of course is ignoring Preds having NO technological biological or cultural modifications in 60 million years. bahahahaha....
The caveat here is this one element of production out of three, you also have what goes on film, and then how it's edited. But to say the foundation is rather shaky is an understatement.
The Predator base was never deep, the most dangerous game as a concept has clear lines, and clear motives. This is just reworking it with way WAY too much baggage. Predators don't need to be fixed. The only badassery you need is a smart Pred, not a "fixed" one. They already have the tools and the will and the means.
A crusty old takes-zero-shit Pred in black armor or even black skin is fine... as long as it's a f**king Predator, not a raving maniac mini-Rancor with a Star Wars wanna be weapon system.
I never read it, but It sounds pretty bad from most of your comments.
Also does it explian how the fight goes down between the Pred on Pred, if its anything like a stupid bar brawl like on the first AvP between the alien, and predator then it'll be HORRIBLE. If it isnt already, I'd hope to see alot more jumping from tree to tree shooting casters at eachother.
Won't open for me, keeps saying the file is damaged and inrepairable... any suggestions?
In this script Nikolai is badass (russian special forces - SPETSNAZ) .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adi-bM6NfXQ
Actually I like idea of normal Pred losing fight with BSP. If BSP kills normal pred and I wounded exhausted etc. than I can believe that Brody is able to take him out. Also I think that Hanzo vs. Pred duel isn`t bad either. In earlier films taking pred with bladed weapon (Billy with machete and King Willy with his blade) went wrong. Nice that this one time it is going to be different.
Falcon seems to be ok. about dogs with cameleon features, well I don`t know. They feel like something form StarWars:(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstarwars.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FFile%3ACannok-ConceptArt-KOTOR2.jpg&hash=253fcfdbc63f736fefe38399ab174d0f3960a36b)
Things that must change, are colour of Preds blood, rotary plasma caster to simpler one and idiotic dialogue about earth like plants on the f**king other side of universe. Not to mention ending.
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Oh, and f**king accid rain.
The script is good and imo there is nothing wrong with the BSP (even with Black bood). A lot of people have issues with the way it was described in the script but I think your all making a mountain out of a mole hill - the description in the script is not very specific and is very open to interpretation and gives Antal and the special effects team flexibility and the BSP could turn out to look pretty cool on screen.
The only thing they need to change is the original ending. I'm not bothered about the alternative ending since Arnie will never agree and so no one will ever see it - however, if by some miracle he does agree I hope he realises how stupid it is and forces them to change it!!
In fact, I'm sure Fox and RR et al are now aware that the script has been leaked and dont be suprised if they dont visit forums like this and the IMDB and read all the critisim about the ending and change it. However, this is a long shot!
I liked it. Definitely not perfect but neither was the original movie (no movie is). A lot of it depends on how the Director and Design departments handle it.... at this point it can go either way. really hope the movies shooting script hasnt toned down on the action quotient due to it being overbudget though.... there's a lot of badassery here ;D
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Black blood and red eyes on the BSP doesnt bother me at all... these guys are changing their own DNA... neatly justified, full stop. the alternate ending with Arnie is so comic booky insane i actually wouldnt mind seeing on the big screen ;D Really wanted to see the crucified Predator kicking a lot more ass on his final fight with BSP.. still.. he was wounded, bleeding like hell.. and still got the guts to enter the fight.. classic predator material :) the way he quickly solves the plasma caster malfunction is such a cool little moment :D Predator falcons and dogs are pure EVIl!
At worst it'll be as bad as Predator 2 (not too bad at all, mind you ;))
cant really be bothered reading 15 pages of this thread or the script right now, can someone direct me to the BSP description by page number or just post it?
Dont have it right here so cant point out pages.. but the description is nicely spread out through the script.. you only see a BSP's face in the ending. (just like in the original movie). The face is described vaguely enough so as to give the designers a large blame for it kicking ass.. or not. Time will tell =P
Quote from: Miranasi on Nov 12, 2009, 10:38:04 AM
the description is nicely spread out through the script.. you only see a BSP's face in the ending. (just like in the original movie).
well that sounds swell......but what does it look like? I mean its still a pred right, just some fkd up sht going on with its face or what?
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 12, 2009, 10:40:32 AM
Quote from: Miranasi on Nov 12, 2009, 10:38:04 AM
the description is nicely spread out through the script.. you only see a BSP's face in the ending. (just like in the original movie).
well that sounds swell......but what does it look like? I mean its still a pred right, just some fkd up sht going on with its face or what?
Cancel that, found it the other thread, does'nt sound like the end of the world to me. Have to see it first.
super predator? ;D ;D ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.predatorstuff.com%2Fgallery%2Fimages%2Fnarin%2Fpredator_beast%2Fpancore_02.jpg&hash=6747202b6724b3004ac7dd5d2f7e8d08fa94e790)
just a huge mass of muscle and huge set of tusks.
Quote from: Byohzrd on Nov 12, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
super predator? ;D ;D ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.predatorstuff.com%2Fgallery%2Fimages%2Fnarin%2Fpredator_beast%2Fpancore_02.jpg&hash=6747202b6724b3004ac7dd5d2f7e8d08fa94e790)
just a huge mass of muscle and huge set of tusks.
does fit the description in the script, may be it was their inspiration.
Looks pretty bad ass to me.
Looks like **** to me.
That's the most retarded design i have ever seen in my life.
QuoteLooks pretty bad ass to me.
Excuse me, WHAT??
i actually liked the script but that design just doesnt cut it... ???
insert Lil Jon "What?" here
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 11:38:06 AM
That's the most retarded design i have ever seen in my life.
QuoteLooks pretty bad ass to me.
Excuse me, WHAT??
i think it looks bad ass, so what?
opinions opinions... chillax people ;D
Quote from: Miranasi on Nov 12, 2009, 11:54:36 AM
opinions opinions... chillax people ;D
i was not irate, chilled as ever. dont see the point of arguing.
By the way, can anyone answer my post "Predator Behaviour"? :(
We need some Predator on set pics, or maybe some concept art.
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 12, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 11:38:06 AM
That's the most retarded design i have ever seen in my life.
QuoteLooks pretty bad ass to me.
Excuse me, WHAT??
i think it looks bad ass, so what?
Nothing what, everyone is entitled to their opinion, i just never thought that someone who even remotely likes Predator would like that design, because it is everything that was wrong with the last two movies and more.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 12, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 11:38:06 AM
That's the most retarded design i have ever seen in my life.
QuoteLooks pretty bad ass to me.
Excuse me, WHAT??
i think it looks bad ass, so what?
Nothing what, everyone is entitled to their opinion, i just never thought that someone who even remotely likes Predator would like that design, because it is everything that was wrong with the last two movies and more.
Then my friend you assumed wrong about all Predator fans. I think it looks good and will look pretty bad ass on screen but thats just my oponion - i'm sure not many will share it!
Am I correct in assuming that you are in the group of people who hate the BSP from the recent script because it does not have "Predator like behaviour" - if so, I would be very graterful if you could post your thoughts on my "Predator behaviour" post.
Thanks.
the link doesnt work. unless the script is only 157kb, are you sure you can download it from there?
Works fine for me.
It's surprisingly small, but it is the entire script.
For me too:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/pha7i6
Do you try "regular download"?
Quote from: Byohzrd on Nov 12, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
super predator? ;D ;D ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.predatorstuff.com%2Fgallery%2Fimages%2Fnarin%2Fpredator_beast%2Fpancore_02.jpg&hash=6747202b6724b3004ac7dd5d2f7e8d08fa94e790)
just a huge mass of muscle and huge set of tusks.
The script did mentioned preds on steroids but goddamn!
But this isn't on steroids. He is some kind of mutant... His face, God mercy... ???
where is this model taken from?
i used the regular download but it is damaged. you think they stopped it?
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 12, 2009, 11:31:09 AM
Looks pretty bad ass to me.
I'm all for different interpretations of the Predator design, but come on....you can't possibly believe that statue is awesome.
Ok I got it now.... the script was ok I thought, right up until the last few pages, which was not only pretty lame but (and lets be totally honest) just couldnt work lol
Quote from: fan on Nov 12, 2009, 12:38:36 PM
i used the regular download but it is damaged. you think they stopped it?
Damn, for me it's working... I don't know, why for you doesn't. I'm checking it now and it still works.
Quote from: Ultrapredator on Nov 12, 2009, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 12, 2009, 11:31:09 AM
Looks pretty bad ass to me.
I'm all for different interpretations of the Predator design, but come on....you can't possibly believe that statue is awesome.
I think it will look pretty good on film - IMO
taste is personal
Just try to download it again. Sometimes it can happen that a file gets corrupted because it doesn't download properly.
Guys, what about this:
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=5643
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=4552
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=2021
my favorite:
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=7771
Sorry, I don't know how to insert pictures... :-\
for what i understand several people dont like deviations from original movies. i totally agree with that one but, the production of movies and all involved have a pattern for making movies. What i mean is that they have to show to people something different something as a landmark for the movie otherwise they dont proceed.
alien2 the queen, alien 3 runner , alien 4 dont better mention, predator 2 a lot of prds etc. for them it is impossible just not to insert a diferent feature.
i dont have a problem in expanding the predator universe as long as they dont try to get involved with other concepts as: predator gender, mating and society.
anyway i had made several efforts the script does not work for me
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 12, 2009, 12:54:11 PM
Guys, what about this:
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=5643
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=4552
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=2021
my favorite:
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=7771
Sorry, I don't know how to insert pictures... :-\
Body's are too human, faces look retarded.
What about this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi36.tinypic.com%2F15pjqcj.jpg&hash=cb06902b65f13e9c1731ee4d4e6d198e9bb0079f)
That is a damn Predator.
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 12, 2009, 12:54:11 PM
Guys, what about this:
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=5643
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=4552
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=2021
my favorite:
http://www.predatorstuff.com/gallery/?level=picture&id=7771
Sorry, I don't know how to insert pictures... :-\
Those aren't too bad. The first one just looks a little cheap, especially around the eyes. Reminds me of Scar from AvP, too human. And number 3's face is just flat out bad.
Quote from: fan on Nov 12, 2009, 12:59:09 PM
anyway i had made several efforts the script does not work for me
If you explain me, how to send PDF in PM, I send it to you.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 01:00:15 PM
What about this:
http://i36.tinypic.com/15pjqcj.jpg
That is a damn Predator.
Yes. Yes it is.
And we're probably going to see him getting whacked by the fan favorite BLAK SUPAR PWEDATOR!
If they care about the fans, they should change it to having him win against the Black Predator. I like the idea that someone posted that the Super Predator fights with Royce and as he is about to kill him the regular Predator gets back up and delivers the killing blow. After that, I don't mind if the regular Predator succumbs to his wounds.
Or they just shouldn't have them fight at all, because it's stupid.
I thought it sounded great in the script and I would like to see these two power houses go up against each other. Out of all the whacky things in the script, that is the least stupid one.
Well I can agree on it being one of the least stupid things. But we both know that isn't saying much. :D
I just think it doesn't work because it has no threat. It's just a quick bit of entertainment, that doesn't really do anything. It should just be the Predator relentlessly going after Royce, and beating the snot out of him. All the threat in that part of the script came from Edwin...Which in a film about PREDATORS, isn't right.
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i actually prefered the all out bit of entertainment... theres a nice little bit of pathos in the notion of the wounded predator going suicidal againt the larger opponent.. (although they didnt play it out well on the script) ...edwin is too much like the average cliche psycho.. his betrayal was just.. bleh. Although i dug the scene where Isabella just kills the living f**k out of him... the hint of there being something alien in her is intriguing (also how did she knew about the incident in the first movie? Is she black ops then? Has she seen the movie? ;D
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 12, 2009, 01:26:03 PM
Well I can agree on it being one of the least stupid things. But we both know that isn't saying much. :D
I just think it doesn't work because it has no threat. It's just a quick bit of entertainment, that doesn't really do anything. It should just be the Predator relentlessly going after Royce, and beating the snot out of him. All the threat in that part of the script came from Edwin...Which in a film about PREDATORS, isn't right.
But isn't that what movies are there for? To entertain? As long as it doesn't end up being absurd, like the mid-air chaingun bullets bit, it really isn't that bad. As for the sense of threat not coming from the Super Predator itself, I think thats a very interesting twist and it's still in line with that the movie is called.
Like it said in the script, they've been chosen because they were Predators themselves. And Edwin was great in showing that a human can just be as bad as this alien race of hunters, if not even worse. Essentially, it was Alien/Predator vs Human/Predator. I really liked how quickly Royce turned the tables and used everything he learned about the Predators to his advantage.
I 'spose different things entertain different people.
It's new, it isn't too absurd and I'm sure enough people wanted to see someone being able to go up against a Predator instead of being tossed around like a ragdoll. If the Super Predator would've went relentlessly after Royce and beaten the shit out of him, it would've just been a repeat of Predator 1.
Why isn't this guy Super Black Pred?!!?!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mwctoys.com%2Fimages%2Freview_lostpred_2.jpg&hash=e09ac56df68bb939c0196a3cad9ec34705ef1e71)
Even armor work for the name!
What the hell, Original predator helping Royce? Are you all lost Your minds, or did AVP love growed abrubtly in this community, when i wasn't here? ??? ??? ???
If change should be made, the Original should f**k up the BSP and then FIGHT with Royce for God's sake
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for me sending him home wasn't "honorable", more like, get the f**k out of here, or i'll rip you in pieces too, and you never saw what you saw, are we cool?
Also i'm stunned by mentality of Predator fan base. You really like to degrade the WHOLE F***ING RACE to the stereotype formed by the Anytime presence? You seriously think that THE WHOLE RACE acts the same and there's no social differences, groups? For crying out loud, BSP shouldn't be considered as normal Predators, because they are not, they a bunch uf douchy f**kups, like Xhan mentioned, reptilian parody of gang, which can be found in a bar and shows that THE WHOLE RACE isn't just bunch of space samurais without any variety besides of look of the faces and armor. Throwing all predator race into one bag of fanboys wet dream space hero samurais is just racisist.
BSP's are douchebags because they are meant to, they are meant to be vicious and mean. And even if it's not the perfect variable i would want to see in the movie, i'll take it anytime instead of rehashing the same blueprint all over again and expanding it, by feeding previously mentioned mindbugs, into anti-hero predator samurais. God dammit, "
IT"S A F***ING ALIEN", Keyes noticed it, what's the matter with You, people? ???
Dude, chillax. I'd make it less of helping Royce and more about taking advantage of the situation as the Super Predator is occupied with him. The Predator has been crucified for don't know how many days he's starved and seriously wounded. In his state I wouldn't except him to kill the Super Predator outright.
Isabelle is a bit of a weak character in that it's just downright stereotypical to portray the female lead as the most humane and soft. There's nothing about her in the script that tells me she should be among these people, even if she has the combat skills. She's not ruthless or amoral enough.
An interesting twist would be for her to turn the tables and go completely amoral through pressure. So all movie we've been expecting the typical Hollywood action girl and then BRUTALITY OH GOD WHY DID THIS EVEN HAPPEN I DON'T EVEN
I started reading through the comments in this thread for reactions, but I figured I should be fair and give my own before too many positive/negative vibes alter it.
I thought it was good. Not excellent, but interesting and competently written. A definite set up from the frankly disastrous first draft, cannibalizing the right parts and throwing the rest down the crapper with much chagrin. Some parts are really gonna miff fans, but whenever you make a sequel to anything that was originally a standalone you're gonna piss off some fans. Whether it miffs you will come down to how the production crew approaches certain things, but for the most part, the details themselves are solid.
The biggest hurdle is
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the caveat of how the Predators determined who finds themselves on the preserve,
which we know already but doesn't feel properly explained. The second is the ending, or ending
s as it were. One leaves you on a creepy note, but feeling unsatisfied. The other...still doesn't work, for reasons obvious to anyone who read it. You don't try to stray away from an AVP fan fiction vibe and then do that. Cameos can be done in a better way. I hope a third ending was written before or during shooting and used in their stead.
The smaller issues are small, but still there. The biggest plot contrivance I found was
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Edwin's sage-like grasp of what vegetation looked like 25 million years ago.
I mean, really- who could really know that, outside some experts in the field stumbling upon a well preserved fossil? Heck, they take it even further later on. It just feels very arbitrary. The second is how hard this tries to remind us it respects the first film. Yes, Predator was great. We all noticed when it came out 25 years ago. You don't need to be dropping quotes in a script that owes a fair share of its audience accessibility to new concepts within the familiar frame of the Predator universe.
All this said, I can only sum this up as "Predator 2, but with the Lost cast and written like Aliens by way of The Dark Knight." It's good at feeling like a real sequel to the first, which is what Predator 2 was missing, and it injects some unfamiliar and downright bizarre things to achieve that. But it's not predictable, the action works, and hopefully when it's all said and done Nimrod Antal will have done what Chris Nolan did for Batman, stripping away a convoluted and irksome history accrued by this property so some interesting concepts can spring from the fresh foundations.
Now if only they'd overhaul those goddamn stupid endings.
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 12, 2009, 01:46:37 PM
Also i'm stunned by mentality of Predator fan base. You really like to degrade the WHOLE F***ING RACE to the stereotype formed by the Anytime presence? You seriously think that THE WHOLE RACE acts the same and there's no social differences, groups? For crying out loud, BSP shouldn't be considered as normal Predators, because they are not, they a bunch uf douchy f**kups, like Xhan mentioned, reptilian parody of gang, which can be found in a bar and shows that THE WHOLE RACE isn't just bunch of space samurais without any variety besides of look of the faces and armor. Throwing all predator race into one bag of fanboys wet dream space hero samurais is just racisist.
BSP's are douchebags because they are meant to, they are meant to be vicious and mean. And even if it's not the perfect variable i would want to see in the movie, i'll take it anytime instead of rehashing the same blueprint all over again and expanding it, by feeding previously mentioned mindbugs, into anti-hero predator samurais. God dammit, "IT"S A F***ING ALIEN", Keyes noticed it, what's the matter with You, people? ???
I'd take Anytime being done again over ANY of the other interpretations of Predators I've seen.
Yes, maybe it was a little clishe, but she balanced out Royce who was completely cold. And it was not like she was the only one who showed some sort of compassion, Chuchillo was nice enough wanting to bury the navy Seal and Nikolai even covers the corpse with his jacket.
But it would've been nice to see the woman more ruthless. I find creepy and cold women always to be 100% more scary than any man could possibly be. Psycho women in movies always give me chills.
On page 42 right after the "If it bleeds, we can kill it." part
Good god is this script stupid.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 12, 2009, 02:08:21 PM
Yes, maybe it was a little clishe, but she balanced out Royce who was completely cold. And it was not like she was the only one who showed some sort of compassion, Chuchillo was nice enough wanting to bury the navy Seal and Nikolai even covers the corpse with his jacket.
But it would've been nice to see the woman more ruthless. I find creepy and cold women always to be 100% more scary than any man could possibly be. Psycho women in movies always give me chills.
YOU KILLED MISERRRRRRRRRRRY!
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 12, 2009, 02:00:24 PMit's just downright stereotypical to portray the female lead as the most humane and soft. There's nothing about her in the script that tells me she should be among these people, even if she has the combat skills. She's not ruthless or amoral enough.
true dat about Isabella being stereotypical... definitely hope the final final script ups her badassery brutal volume to 11 ;D definitely didnt have trouble in dealing with Edwins betrayal though.. a nice plus there..
assuming this isnt the final final script.. is it?
Isabell is the biggest hypocrite of them all, and she completely deserves to die
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 12, 2009, 02:10:11 PM
On page 42 right after the "If it bleeds, we can kill it." part
Good god is this script stupid.
Actually, first 35 pages are considered as good part. :-\
Really? Oh my god, so far this thing is just bad, not horrible, yet....but just bad.
ooouu you just wait for the falcon and all the "action" ;D
What exactly is it that you dislike about the script so far? I thought the beginning was surprisingly strong. later some silly stuff starts to happen. Like the chaingun part that you've probably already read.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 12, 2009, 02:21:23 PM
What exactly is it that you dislike about the script so far? I thought the beginning was surprisingly strong. later some silly stuff starts to happen. Like the chaingun part that you've probably already read.
Honestly.
That is awesome. Having a minigun being carted around by one man is ridiculous as it is - may as well have fun with it.
Quote from: Dzuksi on Nov 12, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
ooouu you just wait for the falcon and all the "action" ;D
Quote from: Dzuksi on Nov 12, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
ooouu you just wait for the falcon and all the "action" ;D
Already passed the falcon lol, just got to the parrt where the BSP de-cloaks after killing Noland and chasing the group in the middle fo the night or whatever.
How the hell dod Stans survive the plasma caster to the back? The f**k?!
EDIT: NVM lol, I was just given the answer a few lines into the script lol.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 12, 2009, 02:25:03 PM
Already passed the falcon lol, just got to the parrt where the BSP de-cloaks after killing Noland and chasing the group in the middle fo the night or whatever.
There is more falcon action ;D
QuoteHonestly.
That is awesome. Having a minigun being carted around by one man is ridiculous as it is - may as well have fun with it.
You know what made the first Predator as great as it is?
It took it self dead serious, with all the unbelievable elements in it, you had the feeling that all what happened was actually possible while watching the movie when deep inside everyone knows its not.
As soon as you start to have "Fun with it" it gets Police Academy.
A Predator chaingun mounted on his shoulders who can catch bullets in the air is ridiculous and wayyy too cartoonish, might as well have a Batman Credit Card..ohh wait..
QuoteHow the hell dod Stans survive the plasma caster to the back? The f**k?!
He had Foreign armour underneath his prison suit that he took from Nolands cave.
Everyone seems to be going off about various things at once, but about the Super Predators: I never got the vibe they were a legitimate caste. It felt more like they were the druggie, cheating, "play to win" guys. They look like mutants and their weapons sound like something Rob Liefeld could design. They're ridiculous, but how ridiculous they are comes down to what the SFX people do with the idea. For now, they're the zany, good kind of ridiculous from my POV.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 02:31:53 PM
You know what made the first Predator as great as it is?
It took it self dead serious, with all the unbelievable elements in it, you had the feeling that all what happened was actually possible while watching the movie when deep inside everyone knows its not.
It was played serious, but in essence, it was a ridiculous 80s action thriller - just a really f**king good one.
Consider that we have a situation where a man-mounted minigun gets walked about, half a dozen trained soldiers waste ammo by firing into the trees when they can't see a target and the final act is essentially Tarzan turned up to 11.
If you read the script, it sounds just as silly as this one. Hell, if you read the scripts to
ALIEN and
ALIENS, they read like an Edgar Allen Poe poem and pulp fiction respectively - they were simply played serious. And it worked, just like
Predator did.
I guess the short version is that I agree entirely with you.
Predator had a ridiculous script that played itself seriously.
Predators has a ridiculous script - I guess we'll see how it's interpreted.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 02:31:53 PMA Predator chaingun mounted on his shoulders who can catch bullets in the air is ridiculous and wayyy too cartoonish, might as well have a Batman Credit Card..ohh wait..
Can't see how it's more ridiculous than anything else in the other films. You can start at things as basic as the characters always firing from the hip, or Schaefer's "boy-scout" trap tactics. Or just about any part of
Predator 2.
Besides, the biggest issue is definitely the BSP and SPs. The only reason I can see for their existence is to provide conflict with the classic Predator, and even then the classic Predator gets killed. It's sort of a big "f**k you" to Predator fans who want to see, y'know, Predators, not lazy attempts at generating interest that will piss of fans and pass the general audience by.
QuoteHow the hell dod Stans survive the plasma caster to the back? The f**k?
He had Foreign armour underneath his prison suit that he took from Nolands cave.
Yeah I figured that out a few seconds later lol, which is why I edited my post.
EDIT: Oh and Just finished reading the script, I really do not like it at all....and the alternate ending....f**k me, that is just absolutely horrible.
Quote
Can't see how it's more ridiculous than anything else in the other films.
Just because
you cant see it doesnt mean it is way too rediculous though, which it is.
Seriously, out of all the things that a Predator has ever done in his own and both AvP movies, the chaingun part takes the cake. He shoots bullets, mid-air. How not everyone could see this is ridiculously cartoonish is beyond me.
It's not exactly the Predator, though - it's his incredibly advanced targeting system.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 12, 2009, 02:58:24 PM
Seriously, out of all the things that a Predator has ever done in his own and both AvP movies, the chaingun part takes the cake. He shoots bullets, mid-air. How not everyone could see this is ridiculously cartoonish is beyond me.
Nobody seemed to mind when Luke used a super-advanced targeting system and 'The Force' to shoot a couple of torpedoes, and then have them make a 90 degree angle down into the exhaust port...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 02:54:48 PM
Just because you cant see it doesnt mean it is way too rediculous though, which it is.
Ah! You know I must admit, I love it when I find out that someone else's opinion is, in actuality, the right one. Because you know I've just always felt that my own opinions just didn't have any merit and deserved to be shat on.
[/sarcasm]
And it's still dumb. It also gives the Predator too much of an advantage. Now you can't even shoot at them anymore because they'll simply intercept your bullets? Isn't it enough that they can haul ass fast as hell and jump up trees?
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 12, 2009, 03:04:25 PM
Nobody seemed to mind when Luke used a super-advanced targeting system and 'The Force' to shoot a couple of torpedoes, and then have them make a 90 degree angle down into the exhaust port...
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Quote from: Dusk on Nov 12, 2009, 03:04:30 PM
And it's still dumb. It also gives the Predator too much of an advantage. Now you can't even shoot at them anymore because they'll simply intercept your bullets? Isn't it enough that they can haul ass fast as hell and jump up trees?
See, you're doing that thing where you think too hard.
This is not a film for thinking hard. Neither was
Predator.
The Predators have never seemed that concerned with how advanced their weaponry is. The plasma caster has always been overkill. They have a invisibility cloak, wrist blades, infrared vision, a spear, a tracking killer frisbee, and then they can roast you with a Star Trek phaser set on "rape"...nope, nothing sounds particularly fair about that. The regular Preds have rules, but even those seem kind of arbitrary. The Super Predators and their Black overlord, with his triple shoulder mounts and triple laser sights plus remote-controlled cyborg eye-in-the-sky, are just the next level of overkill, where- presumably- your soul is devoured after they're done with the vanilla trophy kill and skinning combo.
I don't need to strain my brain to think this is far too cartoonish and over the top compared to anything we've seen before. What is this? Devil may Cry? What's next? Predator's deflecting bullety with their blades?
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Yeah, the stuff in here is what you'd see on a Saturday morning cartoon (from Hell). But so is a guy firing a gatling gun, one ripped right off the nose of a military heli, with enough ammunition in his backpack to level a village plus a football field of forest without knocking his ass into last Tuesday upon the first trigger squeeze. Yet no one seems to have mentioned Nikolai and his mastery of the improbable yet. Why? 'Cause it happened in that movie we've all come to love. Funny how that works.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 12, 2009, 02:45:23 PM
Can't see how it's more ridiculous than anything else in the other films. You can start at things as basic as the characters always firing from the hip,
The SAS, who are arguably the best military regiment in the world train to shoot from the hip. It's more efficient when you can do it.
Quoteor Schaefer's "boy-scout" trap tactics.
It's the only logical option he had.
yeah, agreed, minigun thing - stupid. through, oh, lets see, 4 movies, we've been shown what predator technology is capable of, or based around. its been established what is acceptable and believeable in THIS reality. all 4. pick two. pick your favorite two. pick one. pick 3, and hate the last one. pick 2 at random, and then one of your choice. pick none of them and talk about something comepletely different. all the movies, while adding or subtracting, or creating new weapons, has always been based on the same sub-set of "reality rules". okay, lets really sit down and look at it. 1.) wrist blades/plasma caster 2. wrist blades/plasma caster/smart disc/combi stick 3.) wrist blades/plasmacaster/combi-stick-spear/shuriken/more big blades 4.) wrist blades/plasmacaster/spear/whip/proximity mines/highly corrosive liquid
nothing ever even remotely close to "shooting bullets out of the air". mostly pointed or edged weapons. stupid. stupid thing to add.
how about this? how about someone just writes a good movie and drops a predator into it? none of this over-the-top, lets re-invent the wheel, new and exciting blowing stuff up fantasy-for-no-reason. just make a reality-based action movie and throw in an alien hunter with the rules for technology and behavior that have been established over 4 feature films. HOW IS THIS HARD? there are reasons we are fans of the originals - what they did worked! quit screwing around! why is the idea of a predator movie still viable to a studio? because of US - because we buy the merch and keep word of mouth going for the movies we are fans of. they know theres still a fan base. the property is still worth money. this script is just dumb - like biting the hand that feeds.
and yeah, yeah... yeah. i get it. we know. "predator was an 80's macho man popcorn flick, mctiernan said it himself, its all blow-up fantasy." thats fine. i, and many others, have a different understanding and appreciation for how it was executed. or at least my 11-year-old brain did when i first watched it, and just can't seem to shake it.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 12, 2009, 03:16:46 PM
Yeah, the stuff in here is what you'd see on a Saturday morning cartoon (from Hell). But so is a guy firing a gatling gun, one ripped right off the nose of a military heli, with enough ammunition in his backpack to level a village plus a football field of forest without knocking his ass into last Tuesday upon the first trigger squeeze. Yet no one seems to have mentioned Nikolai and his mastery of the improbable yet. Why? 'Cause it happened in that movie we've all come to love. Funny how that works.
Great point, Chibi. And yet, not even ONE complaint over
Spoiler
Predator sending Royce safely to home
You know, because fanbase just f**k the original movies, and go with the "friendly neighbour space superhero predator" established in comics and novels written by hacks AND pseudomovies written and directed by hacks. Show be ONE SCENE IN BOTH precedessors, where Predator is friendly towards protagonist, ONE. Harrigan pretty much doesn't count, because they left him to fry onboard ship taking off.
Formula is simple: put wacky and crazy awesome idea in old movie = GOOD, because it's classic. Put wacky and crazy awesome idea in new movie = FAIL, because everything must be copy, of the copy, of the copy, of the copy (Tyler would not be pleased lol)
Seeing as this script has been dated 12th July , im hoping that it has been super seeded somewhat. Some of the garbage in this is absolutly unreal. The ending reminds me of Predator 2. Its ridiculous. Can we confirm that this is indeed 100% Authentic? The poster has signed up and thrown this about. Only 1 post to his/her name.
Quote from: plasmacannon on Nov 12, 2009, 05:00:38 PM
The poster has signed up and thrown this about. Only 1 post to his/her name.
I feel it is probably authentic. The poster is most likely someone from the studio or something that leaked an early version purposefully to gauge fan reaction.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 12, 2009, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: plasmacannon on Nov 12, 2009, 05:00:38 PM
The poster has signed up and thrown this about. Only 1 post to his/her name.
I feel it is probably authentic. The poster is most likely someone from the studio or something that leaked an early version purposefully to gauge fan reaction.
Indeed , im with you on that one my friend. Now they have had thier reaction , let's hope they were pulling our leg with some of that trash. Let's prey they shot 2 totally different endings to the one's in the leeked script.
I'm reading the first few pages right now, I don't think I will read it all since I don't want to have the movie to be spoiled for me.
anyone come up with something to explain Isabelles "strange behaviour" before Edwin screams and dies?
Still bugging me! what is she part alien? she did know alot about what happened in 1987. That part never made sense, they should have expanded on it.
Took some time to read through it.
Doesn't sound very interesting whether or not I factor in the Predator shenanigans. Alot's gonna ride on the execution and acting because I'm just not feeling it. At most it seems like a half decent action flick. Both endings were terrible.
Some of the Predator changes shouldn't be there or have hopefully been reverted. Glowing green blood is one of those characteristics that I think should remain for all Predators across every medium and interpretation. It's like acid blood. Preds should have green blood.
The Predator designs don't sound very promising but hopefully they've ironed that out.
I think the term Super is a serious misnomer because the Predators don't seem any better, more powerful, or skilled. They play out more like the asshole Predators of the galaxy. They are Super only in the same way Wolf was - because the writers said so. I suppose the name doesn't matter since they don't utter it anywhere but they certainly seem to be aiming for a "this is a Predator but better" feeling and it isn't present better anywhere else than in the P1 vs BSP fight.
Found it strange that BSP would win considering the other nods towards the first movie. The best tribute would be that the original wins, or helps in the victory.
It was interesting that, just like in the first movie, it is the only woman in the group that seems to have any idea of what they're fighting and that, just like with Anna, she seems out of place in the rest of the group. The only problem is that it makes one wonder why she was picked. In fact, I find it pretty amusing that the Predators are so politically correct as to have both genders and different ethnic groups represented in their little hunt.
Quote from: plasmacannon on Nov 12, 2009, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 12, 2009, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: plasmacannon on Nov 12, 2009, 05:00:38 PM
The poster has signed up and thrown this about. Only 1 post to his/her name.
I feel it is probably authentic. The poster is most likely someone from the studio or something that leaked an early version purposefully to gauge fan reaction.
Indeed , im with you on that one my friend. Now they have had thier reaction , let's hope they were pulling our leg with some of that trash. Let's prey they shot 2 totally different endings to the one's in the leeked script.
Yeah I'm Tom Rothman in disguise. ;D
No I'm just a guy who happened to find the script on IMDB (I tradded with a guy who had the script) and was kind enough to put exclusively on this website since you all seem to be Predator fans (but I've been on this forum many times as a guest).
As for the reactions, I don't get it. I think the script is really good. Most of the complaints are Black Super Predator related and how weak all the Super Predators are compared to the Predator in the first flick. Well it's kinda like Aliens. In the first Alien you had one Alien who'd decimated a whole crew and couldn't get got and in Aliens you've got thousands of Aliens and they can't do shit. Fans complaining I guess. As for the BSP description, I'm sure they'll come up with something cooler than what's on the page. After all, the Queen Alien concept would look pretty retarded on page. Apart from that, the characters are great, the script is very well written, the action sequences are kick ass, but yeah I gotta agree that the ending with Dutch seems a bit...off. Still. I think it's a great script. Funny because some many websites have been raving about this script (Latinoreview, Chud, etc.) and I read and understood why and now that hardcore fans are able to take a peek at it, they trash it, saying that it's worse than AVPR. Frankly just take a deepbreath, and read the script again.
You people worry a little too much about the tiniest descriptions of the script. There's a director behind the script, it's his job to translate it on the screen, not the writers, and Antal is a clever guy. If certain details written on the page look too stupid for him as he works on it, he can skip it and modify it. He was hired in July if I remember, so he probably discussed this draft since and is even probably improvising on set right now. Do you remember in the making off of the original how the predator previously looked before Mctiernan ask for something else ? Well I remember and it was f**king laughable. A script is just a basis for the story and characters, a first plan for the action, but the mood and the look of a film comes directly from the director, not from the words. Now if you don't have faith in him at all, that's another problem.
I agree with Alex, it's not the script that was great about the original, but the way Mctiernan directed it, that was him the true reason of the success. For the mythology of the predators, well since Robert Rodriguez and co want to stick to the original - who can blame them really? -, they are nothing more than beasts hunting preys with some technology, and frankly I prefer it that way, the whole behavior code from I don't know where sounds way too geeky for me. Back to the basis and the mistery for the better and stop with the bullshits like - you know a predator won't do that because of blabla nonsense -.
Not sure how I like the idea of the super predators, but the fight between the regular and super should be cool. Also liked the hounds. Needs a stronger ending.
Quote from: DB on Nov 12, 2009, 05:56:14 PM
I find it pretty amusing that the Predators are so politically correct as to have both genders and different ethnic groups represented in their little hunt.
They are also christians!
when has there been a femail predator?
Quote from: Stringer_Pred on Nov 12, 2009, 06:33:33 PM
Quote from: plasmacannon on Nov 12, 2009, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 12, 2009, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: plasmacannon on Nov 12, 2009, 05:00:38 PM
The poster has signed up and thrown this about. Only 1 post to his/her name.
I feel it is probably authentic. The poster is most likely someone from the studio or something that leaked an early version purposefully to gauge fan reaction.
Indeed , im with you on that one my friend. Now they have had thier reaction , let's hope they were pulling our leg with some of that trash. Let's prey they shot 2 totally different endings to the one's in the leeked script.
Yeah I'm Tom Rothman in disguise. ;D
No I'm just a guy who happened to find the script on IMDB (I tradded with a guy who had the script) and was kind enough to put exclusively on this website since you all seem to be Predator fans (but I've been on this forum many times as a guest).
As for the reactions, I don't get it. I think the script is really good. Most of the complaints are Black Super Predator related and how weak all the Super Predators are compared to the Predator in the first flick. Well it's kinda like Aliens. In the first Alien you had one Alien who'd decimated a whole crew and couldn't get got and in Aliens you've got thousands of Aliens and they can't do shit. Fans complaining I guess. As for the BSP description, I'm sure they'll come up with something cooler than what's on the page. After all, the Queen Alien concept would look pretty retarded on page. Apart from that, the characters are great, the script is very well written, the action sequences are kick ass, but yeah I gotta agree that the ending with Dutch seems a bit...off. Still. I think it's a great script. Funny because some many websites have been raving about this script (Latinoreview, Chud, etc.) and I read and understood why and now that hardcore fans are able to take a peek at it, they trash it, saying that it's worse than AVPR. Frankly just take a deepbreath, and read the script again.
You and Pinkman are right on, couldn't agree with you more.
agreed - this is a strong script, clean, tight and better than any other predator sequel imo.
(predator 2 had a real sloppy story)
my only complaints are that id like to have seen more of the predator culture, a little more explanation. but that said, this smaller scale film expands on the mythos in pretty strong ways where it does and you have to balance the mystery whilst giving the audience something new at the same time
I do agree with feeling a bit miffed by the lack of original predators though, and the ending needs work. why not have a ship land of ordinary preds that battle with a horde of super black ones?
Wow, this was... terrible. The first few pages were OK, in fact, I really liked it until it turned out there was only one 'real' Predator in the damn thing, even then, he HELPS Royce which doesn't bode well with me, this creature is an alien who hunts for fun, hunts humans and dangerous creatures for fun. It wouldn't feel gratitude for some dude who helped him, it wouldn't give away their technology either.
The Predators don't need hunting dogs or cyborg biomechanical camera birds to find their prey, they hunt them down, one by one stealthily. They don't run in shooting shit and blasting bullets out of thin air with some triple Plasma cannon, they don't impale people in the middle of the damn area right next to his buddys either.
Also, the 'Black Super Predators' sounded OK at first, until it's revealed that they have super targeting, triple plasma cannons (which also appear to be able to become chainguns too) hunting dogs and biomechanical links to retarded falcons. The spikes on their dreads are retarded too. What're they expecting to be able to do with them? Swing their gnarly locks and graze their prey's faces with them in super slow mo?
The fact that they have no nose, their mandibles are over-sized and that their eyes are red, and the black blood, also seem retarded. First of all, the only thing I can see being considered as a nose is the short bridge from the upper jaw with the two teeth to the forehead. Over sized mandibles are bound to look retarded on a short face with no nose-bridge and red eyes. Why not keep the yellow/white beady eyes from the original? Black blood is just plain retarded anyway, no need to explain- or change in the first place.
Edwin's character, I can see Topher Grace playing him with all the dumb faces and cocky-ness he used with Venom in Spider-Man 3.
Crucified Predators are retarded, why crucify and leave to suffer?
Predators don't take prisoners, which is essentially what they have done with all the human characters making them like John Shirley's Hish.
The alternate ending with Dutch was too bad for words, why join a race of creatures that scared you silly and killed all your mates? Also, where on Earth did he find the Predators anyway?!
Overall, this thing is fulla plot holes, like Isabelle knowing about Dutch, what the Predators used to get the humans there in the first place etc.
Terrible, this will probably be worse than the AvP movies. I pray that this is not the shooting script, I pray that there will be some real Predators in the final version, I hope to God that they fill in these plot holes and change the blood back to neon green.
0.5/10
Quote from: vehtam on Nov 12, 2009, 04:51:26 PM
Great point, Chibi. And yet, not even ONE complaint over Spoiler
Predator sending Royce safely to home
You know, because fanbase just f**k the original movies, and go with the "friendly neighbour space superhero predator" established in comics and novels written by hacks AND pseudomovies written and directed by hacks. Show be ONE SCENE IN BOTH precedessors, where Predator is friendly towards protagonist, ONE. Harrigan pretty much doesn't count, because they left him to fry onboard ship taking off.
Formula is simple: put wacky and crazy awesome idea in old movie = GOOD, because it's classic. Put wacky and crazy awesome idea in new movie = FAIL, because everything must be copy, of the copy, of the copy, of the copy (Tyler would not be pleased lol)
Again, chillax. So what's the big deal if the Predator helps Royce out? He owed him, big time. Not every Predator must be hellbend on murder and mayhem. It knew the simple concept of repaying a debt. At least he didn't drag him along for the fight and gave him weapons, like Scar did.
Maybe it was his way of giving the BSP the giant finger, by sending off his ship and prey.
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 12, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
You people worry a little too much about the tiniest descriptions of the script. There's a director behind the script, it's his job to translate it on the screen, not the writers, and Antal is a clever guy. If certain details written on the page look too stupid for him as he works on it, he can skip it and modify it. He was hired in July if I remember, so he probably discussed this draft since and is even probably improvising on set right now. Do you remember in the making off of the original how the predator previously looked before Mctiernan ask for something else ? Well I remember and it was f**king laughable. A script is just a basis for the story and characters, a first plan for the action, but the mood and the look of a film comes directly from the director, not from the words. Now if you don't have faith in him at all, that's another problem.
I agree with Alex, it's not the script that was great about the original, but the way Mctiernan directed it, that was him the true reason of the success. For the mythology of the predators, well since Robert Rodriguez and co want to stick to the original - who can blame them really? -, they are nothing more than beasts hunting preys with some technology, and frankly I prefer it that way, the whole behavior code from I don't know where sounds way too geeky for me. Back to the basis and the mistery for the better and stop with the bullshits like - you know a predator won't do that because of blabla nonsense -.
Ditto
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Nov 12, 2009, 08:50:05 PM
Wow, this was... terrible. The first few pages were OK, in fact, I really liked it until it turned out there was only one 'real' Predator in the damn thing, even then, he HELPS Royce which doesn't bode well with me, this creature is an alien who hunts for fun, hunts humans and dangerous creatures for fun. It wouldn't feel gratitude for some dude who helped him, it wouldn't give away their technology either.
The Predators don't need hunting dogs or cyborg biomechanical camera birds to find their prey, they hunt them down, one by one stealthily. They don't run in shooting shit and blasting bullets out of thin air with some triple Plasma cannon, they don't impale people in the middle of the damn area right next to his buddys either.
Also, the 'Black Super Predators' sounded OK at first, until it's revealed that they have super targeting, triple plasma cannons (which also appear to be able to become chainguns too) hunting dogs and biomechanical links to retarded falcons. The spikes on their dreads are retarded too. What're they expecting to be able to do with them? Swing their gnarly locks and graze their prey's faces with them in super slow mo?
The fact that they have no nose, their mandibles are over-sized and that their eyes are red, and the black blood, also seem retarded. First of all, the only thing I can see being considered as a nose is the short bridge from the upper jaw with the two teeth to the forehead. Over sized mandibles are bound to look retarded on a short face with no nose-bridge and red eyes. Why not keep the yellow/white beady eyes from the original? Black blood is just plain retarded anyway, no need to explain- or change in the first place.
Edwin's character, I can see Topher Grace playing him with all the dumb faces and cocky-ness he used with Venom in Spider-Man 3.
Crucified Predators are retarded, why crucify and leave to suffer?
Predators don't take prisoners, which is essentially what they have done with all the human characters making them like John Shirley's Hish.
The alternate ending with Dutch was too bad for words, why join a race of creatures that scared you silly and killed all your mates? Also, where on Earth did he find the Predators anyway?!
Overall, this thing is fulla plot holes, like Isabelle knowing about Dutch, what the Predators used to get the humans there in the first place etc.
Terrible, this will probably be worse than the AvP movies. I pray that this is not the shooting script, I pray that there will be some real Predators in the final version, I hope to God that they fill in these plot holes and change the blood back to neon green.
0.5/10
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Nov 12, 2009, 08:50:05 PM
Wow, this was... terrible. The first few pages were OK, in fact, I really liked it until it turned out there was only one 'real' Predator in the damn thing, even then, he HELPS Royce which doesn't bode well with me, this creature is an alien who hunts for fun, hunts humans and dangerous creatures for fun. It wouldn't feel gratitude for some dude who helped him, it wouldn't give away their technology either.
The Predators don't need hunting dogs or cyborg biomechanical camera birds to find their prey, they hunt them down, one by one stealthily. They don't run in shooting shit and blasting bullets out of thin air with some triple Plasma cannon, they don't impale people in the middle of the damn area right next to his buddys either.
Also, the 'Black Super Predators' sounded OK at first, until it's revealed that they have super targeting, triple plasma cannons (which also appear to be able to become chainguns too) hunting dogs and biomechanical links to retarded falcons. The spikes on their dreads are retarded too. What're they expecting to be able to do with them? Swing their gnarly locks and graze their prey's faces with them in super slow mo?
The fact that they have no nose, their mandibles are over-sized and that their eyes are red, and the black blood, also seem retarded. First of all, the only thing I can see being considered as a nose is the short bridge from the upper jaw with the two teeth to the forehead. Over sized mandibles are bound to look retarded on a short face with no nose-bridge and red eyes. Why not keep the yellow/white beady eyes from the original? Black blood is just plain retarded anyway, no need to explain- or change in the first place.
Edwin's character, I can see Topher Grace playing him with all the dumb faces and cocky-ness he used with Venom in Spider-Man 3.
Crucified Predators are retarded, why crucify and leave to suffer?
Predators don't take prisoners, which is essentially what they have done with all the human characters making them like John Shirley's Hish.
The alternate ending with Dutch was too bad for words, why join a race of creatures that scared you silly and killed all your mates? Also, where on Earth did he find the Predators anyway?!
Overall, this thing is fulla plot holes, like Isabelle knowing about Dutch, what the Predators used to get the humans there in the first place etc.
Terrible, this will probably be worse than the AvP movies. I pray that this is not the shooting script, I pray that there will be some real Predators in the final version, I hope to God that they fill in these plot holes and change the blood back to neon green.
0.5/10
You took the words out of everyone's mouth. This thing is f**king horrible, I actually was able to visualize the whole f**king movie from this script and it looks like shit. I cannot get my head around any of it because the damn script doesn't make any god damn sense, so much for the revival of this franchise...just gonna go wait for the AvP game and that's it.
I agree. I have no hope in this movie. Until we get a picture of one of the Falcons, Hunting Dogs or Bl@ck S00pah Pr3dat0rs that changes my mind I won't be feeling positive about this at all.
No need to quote my post twice though, lol ;)
There's some dumb stuff in the script, but good lord, you people are way too harsh. I also didn't like the idea of hunting dogs and birds, because normaly Predators wouldn't need them, but from the description they sound like Bad Blood Predators, which I hope they've been changed to and the Super Predator concept was dropped.
These ****ers hunt for fun and maybe they simply enjoy to sick their dogs on their prey. Or maybe they simply didn't feel to look for them and made their dogs find them. Once found, they stalked them on their own.
Overall it's a solid script, some dumb moments need to be changed, the ending needs a total make over and Super Predators need to be changed into regular Bad Blood Predators.
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Nov 12, 2009, 09:04:50 PM
I agree. I have no hope in this movie. Until we get a picture of one of the Falcons, Hunting Dogs or Bl@ck S00pah Pr3dat0rs that changes my mind I won't be feeling positive about this at all.
No need to quote my post twice though, lol ;)
I'm pretty sure 80-90% of this script will be used. There will be some changes but not much in regards to the general plot. Remember AvPR? They rewrote the script but essentially the plot pretty much stayed the same.
The predators won't change much either. This is obviously the direction they've decided on and I doubt they'll change it to appease small group of fans that don't like it.
I think the script's a little bit better than what you've stated but I agree with a lot of your arguments.
Liked the predator dogs, liked the falcons. If anything, predator dogs need more screentime.
Didn't mind the normal pred helping Royce, its a tad different but it only reinforces the reason behind the predator IMO. Definitely liked the predator vs BSPredator fight. P on P is something I've always wanted to see and is something 'different' that I think works fine within the mythos and will entertain greatly. I think the split between the original predator concept and whatever these 'roided Preds are needs to be fleshed out more. Human characters and dialogue seemed the weakest to me.
Definitely leagues ahead of AVP/AVP:R(ectum)
Also
Spoiler
Nikolai's last words will be GLORIOUS
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Nov 12, 2009, 09:04:50 PM
I agree. I have no hope in this movie. Until we get a picture of one of the Falcons, Hunting Dogs or Bl@ck S00pah Pr3dat0rs that changes my mind I won't be feeling positive about this at all.
No need to quote my post twice though, lol ;)
LOL, i quoted twice, oops, but it needed to be done lmao.
Will reserve judgment until the movie is out.
Yeah i'd do that if I hadn't read this lousy script, don't need to see it to know it's gonna be crap now.
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Pro Wrestling is like an inch and a half away from being my religion, so I have a keen grasp on the concept of getting something over with the fanbase. With that said, my big gripe with this thing, (and in some ways with AVPR as well) is this: can't they just stop with this Elite Predator/Super Predator stuff? It really gets to me that an elite special forces team is next to no match for one regular Predator... that a younger, less experienced regular Predator wreaks unspeakable havoc on Los Angeles before one man is finally tough enough to stop it... yet 7 guys randomly plucked from across the earth, (even if they do come from tough backgrounds), are MORE than a match for THREE mutant SUPER DUPER Predators.
As for the dogs and the falcons...
I'm willing to cut them some slack on the dogs, but the falcons are definitely pushing it...
:-\
The falcons were ok before the script started to bullshit about them having a connection with the Preds bio-mechanically or someshit...agh!
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I agree. I have no hope in this movie. Until we get a picture of one of the Falcons, Hunting Dogs or Bl@ck S00pah Pr3dat0rs that changes my mind I won't be feeling positive about this at all.
No need to quote my post twice though, lol ;)
The predators won't change much either. This is obviously the direction they've decided on and I doubt they'll change it to appease small group of fans that don't like it.
Small group of fans? I don't think the Predator fanbase is small in any sense.
That doesn't sound too far fetched. They are technologically advanced. Doesn't sound too unbelievable that they'd have some bio-mechanical bird that serves as some sort of remote controlled surveilance camera.
Meet the Parrobot.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.robotster.org%2Fimages%2Ftalking-robot-parrot_49.jpg&hash=e6863057f3a6959253069371f94627e26f9f7e6d)
In a few episodes of Power Rangers, Red ranger used Parrobot, to help find missing pink ranger. Also he used him to scout for Z Putties.
Lord Zedd found out of this powerful creature. He destroyed it. Rangers never recovered from that loss.
True story
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 12, 2009, 10:11:33 PM
That doesn't sound too far fetched. They are technologically advanced. Doesn't sound too unbelievable that they'd have some bio-mechanical bird that serves as some sort of remote controlled surveilance camera.
It's not whether they could, it's whether they should.
Quote from: Dzuksi on Nov 12, 2009, 10:18:39 PM
Meet the Parrobot.
http://www.robotster.org/images/talking-robot-parrot_49.jpg
In a few episodes of Power Rangers, Red ranger used Parrobot, to help find missing pink ranger. Also he used him to scout for Z Putties.
Lord Zedd found out of this powerful creature. He destroyed it. Rangers never recovered from that loss.
True story
Now the Predators writers figure out that this was already used, back to the drawing board!
Quote from: Dzuksi on Nov 12, 2009, 10:18:39 PM
Meet the Parrobot.
http://www.robotster.org/images/talking-robot-parrot_49.jpg
In a few episodes of Power Rangers, Red ranger used Parrobot, to help find missing pink ranger. Also he used him to scout for Z Putties.
Lord Zedd found out of this powerful creature. He destroyed it. Rangers never recovered from that loss.
True story
HAHAHAHAHA too funny.
Quote from: predalien27 on Nov 12, 2009, 10:10:33 PM
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Quote from: Purebreedalien on Nov 12, 2009, 09:04:50 PM
I agree. I have no hope in this movie. Until we get a picture of one of the Falcons, Hunting Dogs or Bl@ck S00pah Pr3dat0rs that changes my mind I won't be feeling positive about this at all.
No need to quote my post twice though, lol ;)
The predators won't change much either. This is obviously the direction they've decided on and I doubt they'll change it to appease small group of fans that don't like it.
Small group of fans? I don't think the Predator fanbase is small in any sense.
Compared to the casual viewers we are. That's who they're making this movie for at the end of the day.
And most people have really liked the script judging by the one's who have read it. They majority so far have given it a 7 or an 8.
The bird reminded me more of the mechanical Bubo from Clash of the Titans.
To whomever said crucifixion is Christian: Pick up a book. That's Roman, not Christian. Nailing dudes to a cross is what their oppressors did. It falls in line with the rest of the Spartan ideas the writers had in mind for the Preds.
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Quote from: Purebreedalien on Nov 12, 2009, 09:04:50 PM
I agree. I have no hope in this movie. Until we get a picture of one of the Falcons, Hunting Dogs or Bl@ck S00pah Pr3dat0rs that changes my mind I won't be feeling positive about this at all.
No need to quote my post twice though, lol ;)
The predators won't change much either. This is obviously the direction they've decided on and I doubt they'll change it to appease small group of fans that don't like it.
Small group of fans? I don't think the Predator fanbase is small in any sense.
Compared to the casual viewers we are. That's who they're making this movie for at the end of the day.
And most people have really liked the script judging by the one's who have read it. They majority so far have given it a 7 or an 8.
But they only like it if they take some of the major elements out.
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Quote from: Purebreedalien on Nov 12, 2009, 09:04:50 PM
I agree. I have no hope in this movie. Until we get a picture of one of the Falcons, Hunting Dogs or Bl@ck S00pah Pr3dat0rs that changes my mind I won't be feeling positive about this at all.
No need to quote my post twice though, lol ;)
The predators won't change much either. This is obviously the direction they've decided on and I doubt they'll change it to appease small group of fans that don't like it.
Small group of fans? I don't think the Predator fanbase is small in any sense.
Compared to the casual viewers we are. That's who they're making this movie for at the end of the day.
And most people have really liked the script judging by the one's who have read it. They majority so far have given it a 7 or an 8.
But they only like it if they take some of the major elements out.
True, but some fans seem pretty confident they're going in the right direction. I personally, think the characters ROCK! The Dogs. The Falcons. All good stuff.
But its these predator creatures that I'm just not seeing yet.
Super Predators need to be ditched. There's no reason why they should be different from other Predators. Especially since they don't seem to be better than regular ones. It takes 3 for christ's sake to hunt 8 individual characters. The first Predator nearly decimated 2 soldier squads all by himself. Make them Bad Blood and forget the whole, super ugly and black blooded bit.
How about....FORGET EVERYTHING?! God it should all have been freaking discarded!
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 12, 2009, 01:05:37 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 01:00:15 PM
What about this:
http://i36.tinypic.com/15pjqcj.jpg
That is a damn Predator.
Yes. Yes it is.
And we're probably going to see him getting whacked by the fan favorite BLAK SUPAR PWEDATOR!
Unless he's an opera singer that mouth is way too f**king big. Looks like Hamburgler.
Arnold won't do it.. He declined a role in the second movie, so why would he accept a role in this?
He declined a role in the second movie so he could go make another second movie. You may have heard of it.
He also denied a cameo in AvP right?
Let's just hope he never had the desire to wear Predator armor.
JINX!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 12, 2009, 11:17:14 PM
He also denied a cameo in AvP right?
Not really. He offered only to be in AvP if he lost the election to be governor. Unfortunately, Arnold won.
-Rakai'Thwei
Really? Then why the heck was he in "Around the World in 80 Days" I thought he did that instead of the AvP one, cus he denied AvP.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 12, 2009, 11:24:09 PM
Really? Then why the heck was he in "Around the World in 80 Days" I thought he did that instead of the AvP one, cus he denied AvP.
If they would've had that ending I would've actually given the film a few more points for surprising the hell out of me. Of course the movie still would've sucked.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 12, 2009, 11:24:09 PM
Really? Then why the heck was he in "Around the World in 80 Days" I thought he did that instead of the AvP one, cus he denied AvP.
Arnold was in Around the World in 80 Days? I did not know what.
But Anderson did speak with Arnold and asked if he wanted to be in the movie, and Arnold did, under the condition if he lost the govenor's election in California.
I would've prefered Arnold to be in AvP than to be in this craptacular project.
-Rakai'Thwei
Agree with you right there, I think that would be the only reason I would be viewing that movie over and over again.
This was a response to echobase
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 12, 2009, 11:26:37 PMArnold was in Around the World in 80 Days? I did not know what.
Behold. :D
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Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 12, 2009, 11:26:37 PMArnold was in Around the World in 80 Days? I did not know what.
Behold. :D
http://www.filmdope.com/Gallery/ActorsS/15489-27152.gif
He looks like a pumped up Jimmy the Superfly Snuka.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 12, 2009, 11:24:09 PM
Really? Then why the heck was he in "Around the World in 80 Days" I thought he did that instead of the AvP one, cus he denied AvP.
Because it took three hours to shoot and he got paid a chunk.
As before, what happens will depend greatly on execution.
Kind of ironic that Pred fans finally get to understand why Alien fans hate Cameron's crappifying of the creature to appease the whims of "casual interest" and the director's apparent penis size.
Armored is a solid movie. It's predictable as f**k, but it's still got panache and good actors free to do their thing. The same is potentially possible here.
As for the Pred "helping" the hero, the gift always seems commensurate to the task. Killing off Preds who "cheat" may or may not take a larger chunk of "equivalent exchange". The first third of the original movie was an 80's cartoon, hands down. The same seems to pervade here. Losing the over the top elements/jump cut pandering and keeping the viciousness of both sides will go a long way towards both sales and credibility.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 12, 2009, 11:26:54 PM
Agree with you right there, I think that would be the only reason I would be viewing that movie over and over again.
This was a response to echobase
I don't know if I could do that considering how much I despise that movie!
Well I didn't finish lol, I meant to say just watch the last scene over and over again lol.
i have to say, i will either love, or hate this film.
Likes: Characters (Besides Stans, He annoys me with his use of Fu(k in every single line he has), Edwin = WIN! I think Topher can pull him off great. Dogs, and the use of a normal predator.
Dis-likes: SBP, the way the way they are described makes Chet seem awesome. Falcons, i thought they would have been more of exotic, devil looking birds... now it just sounds like they have robot eyes and are eyes above for the pred which just sounds stupid. and the black blood... comon.. seriously! THERE PREDATORS THEY SHOULD HAVE GREEN GLOWING BLOOD..... same freakin race as all the other preds.
If they change the blood, ending, surprise me with some kick ass falcons, and just make the preds the way they should look with a simple yet badass black looking armor (i do not mind red flashing eyes ;) no red eyes though please)..... than this movie will and can be great! for what it is... and what it should be. A Action packed pop-corn flick.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 12, 2009, 11:15:43 PM
He declined a role in the second movie so he could go make another second movie. You may have heard of it.
He wasn't in the 4th installment of that series I "may have heard of", so my point still stands.
Uh,you apparently didn't see the 4th isntallment...he was there, but at the same time wasn't, but he was there, lol.
heee sureeee was!
Lol, you have a point...
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 12, 2009, 11:35:59 PM
Well I didn't finish lol, I meant to say just watch the last scene over and over again lol.
Which would be stupid, as the rest would've sucked, and an Arnold cameo would be wasted.
He's better off being in this. Yeah, I know of his cameo. He'd still be better off in this.
So it seems like half the people like the script and half the people don't?
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2009, 12:12:02 AM
So it seems like half the people like the script and half the people don't?
-Rakai'Thwei
It seems to me that the hardcores (AvP Galaxy) are kind of mixed, and the general movie sites (Latino Review, JoBlo, etc) are favoring it. You know hardcore fans and their beloved movies. Every little nuance is exaggerated...
The people that actually care, like us fans, we care too much. To paraphrase someone...
'The fans want change , but the moment we do any sort of change that is good or bad, the fans will just rant."
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 12, 2009, 11:32:58 PM
Armored is a solid movie. It's predictable as f**k, but it's still got panache and good actors free to do their thing. The same is potentially possible here.
Armored is out?
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 13, 2009, 12:15:17 AM
It seems to me that the hardcores (AvP Galaxy) are kind of mixed, and the general movie sites (Latino Review, JoBlo, etc) are favoring it. You know hardcore fans and their beloved movies. Every little nuance is exaggerated...
So Galaxy here is like... 50/50 then, or somewhere along those lines, based from what I've seen on others comments. Count me in the negative though.
-Rakai'Thwei
I too am in the negative once again...LatinoReview made this sound awesome, but this script just made me once again say "f**k this."
It's a great script from the parts I've read. Some really great dialogue in there. Like I said, fans of course always have to be very vocal about every little nuance.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 13, 2009, 12:21:05 AM
It's a great script from the parts I've read. Some really great dialogue in there. Like I said, fans of course always have to be very vocal about every little nuance.
The only thing I don't like is the black blood. Everything else is fine. Of course there are parts that need work.
It's a good script. The Super Predators just serve no purpose and the alternate ending is all kinds of horrible.
Fans will be fans, we can't stop doing what we do best, which is just bitch about everything, sometimes we have a reason, sometimes we don't.
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Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 13, 2009, 12:21:05 AM
It's a great script from the parts I've read. Some really great dialogue in there. Like I said, fans of course always have to be very vocal about every little nuance.
The only thing I don't like is the black blood. Everything else is fine. Of course there are parts that need work.
And that of course is something so trivial. You can easily change that. KNB will probaby have something to say about that.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 13, 2009, 12:23:14 AM
Fans will be fans, we can't stop doing what we do best, which is just bitch about everything, sometimes we have a reason, sometimes we don't.
Though if fans are aware of their whiny nature, they should rectify that habit. It's annoying. You can be a normal person having a normal conversation, without salivating at the mouth and without punching your computer screen, all because of a movie.
It's sounds much, much better. That's not really saying much though. The normal Pred should live all the way through the film. Atleast it would be a film where the Predator lived. Or atleast kill a SBP or two.
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Quote from: predalien27 on Nov 13, 2009, 12:22:25 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 13, 2009, 12:21:05 AM
It's a great script from the parts I've read. Some really great dialogue in there. Like I said, fans of course always have to be very vocal about every little nuance.
The only thing I don't like is the black blood. Everything else is fine. Of course there are parts that need work.
And that of course is something so trivial. You can easily change that. KNB will probaby have something to say about that.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 13, 2009, 12:23:14 AM
Fans will be fans, we can't stop doing what we do best, which is just bitch about everything, sometimes we have a reason, sometimes we don't.
Though if fans are aware of their whiny nature, they should rectify that habit. It's annoying. You can be a normal person having a normal conversation, without salivating at the mouth and without punching your computer screen, all because of a movie.
It's true, but the only reason we do it is because we care, i'm speaking in general now. Anything that is tampered with will cause us to go nuts, it's a habit of ours yes, but it's soemthing that can't just go away.
Quote from: Yautja117 on Nov 13, 2009, 12:28:55 AM
It's sounds much, much better. That's not really saying much though. The normal Pred should live all the way through the film. Atleast it would be a film where the Predator lived. Or atleast kill a SBP or two.
I hate all this categorizing bullshit. The predator in Predator was a predator. The predator in Predator 2 was a predator. How about the predators in Predators be predators? Just normal f**king predators, with nothing super about them.
I said predator 10 times. :D 11 times.
Just make 'em a different clan. That's better. No f**cking mutants. Just Predators. Is that so hard in a film named "PREDATORS"?!
I guess that movie will be renamed in "Super PREDATORS"....not
Quote from: Yautja117 on Nov 13, 2009, 12:33:46 AM
Just make 'em a different clan. That's better. No f**cking mutants. Just Predators. Is that so hard in a film named "PREDATORS"?!
Well the title does have a double meaning, considering our main character and supporting cast.
The ending OMG?
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Ok the more i think of it in my mind the more i want it to be in the movie as long as its done right
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Picture the two survivors in a sand storm the predators apearing out of no were taking away the corpus of fallen super Pred as they disappear into the sand storm. The Leader in heavy paladin like armor and trophies for shoulder pads with cap flaping in the wind. Standing boldly gazing at the two surivors as he takes of his tribal like helmet only to find out its dutch old with a flesh scar on his right eye "Not bad kid not bad at all"
To this music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Tee_XNuhg&feature=related
You tell me, you are the one with Arnold as avatar?! ;D
Quote from: Commander Griker on Nov 13, 2009, 12:46:38 AM
The ending WTF?
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The alternate ending if Arnold does indeed come back....which we all hope doesn't happen.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2009, 12:12:02 AM
So it seems like half the people like the script and half the people don't?
Judging by the poll about people's opinions on the script.. the majority like it "with reservations".
By the way that final line actually sounds badass if you imagine it in Ahnulds austrian accent ;D
haha it'll never happen though. =) Definitely a good thing.. but their normal ending also doesnt cut it IMO.
Quote from: Yautja117 on Nov 13, 2009, 12:33:46 AM
Just make 'em a different clan. That's better. No f**cking mutants. Just Predators. Is that so hard in a film named "PREDATORS"?!
I have a strong feeling thats going to happen, judging from what KNB said about the designs being remeniscent of the original.
and i have a feeling their still gonna be Black Super Predators
...just reminiscent of the original design.
Quote from: Hybrid PM on Nov 13, 2009, 01:05:50 AM
Quote from: Yautja117 on Nov 13, 2009, 12:33:46 AM
Just make 'em a different clan. That's better. No f**cking mutants. Just Predators. Is that so hard in a film named "PREDATORS"?!
I have a strong feeling thats going to happen, judging from what KNB said about the designs being remeniscent of the original.
Hopfully, yes. Would be cool to see a clan war.
Or maybe it's just the single one that was crucified. I do hope though that they'll make all look like decent Predators.
This thread really is an emotional rollercoaster.
Quote from: Yautja117 on Nov 13, 2009, 12:33:46 AM
Just make 'em a different clan. That's better. No f**cking mutants. Just Predators. Is that so hard in a film named "PREDATORS"?!
they may not look like mutants maybe they are just bigger and more aggressive looking with different armor and weapons.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 13, 2009, 12:15:17 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2009, 12:12:02 AM
So it seems like half the people like the script and half the people don't?
-Rakai'Thwei
It seems to me that the hardcores (AvP Galaxy) are kind of mixed, and the general movie sites (Latino Review, JoBlo, etc) are favoring it. You know hardcore fans and their beloved movies. Every little nuance is exaggerated...
Right!, cause going with the people who thought AvP:R was AWESOME are definitely the people to listen to.
They thought it was awesome? Ew.
i remember their reviews stating how hoorrriiiiiblllleeee it was.
Quote from: Miranasi on Nov 13, 2009, 03:54:48 AM
i remember their reviews stating how hoorrriiiiiblllleeee it was.
This. I know Joblo hated it.
Talking about script not movie.
The kneejerk reaction is warranted. Exaggerated, but warranted. I don't think I was strung along by the promises made about AVPR, but a lot of fans legitimately believed it was going to be a return to form that would also show the general audience how viable a versus franchise could be. After that general dissatisfaction, we're hearing much of the same hype- "We're going back to the roots," "This is Predator done right," "It's got the makings of an instant classic," etc. Fans can be naive, but like all groups of people there's only so much they can take before they stop dropping their pants in masturbatory anticipation (which can be fun, I'll admit).
That said, it's getting ridiculous. I'm willing to bet money there are people who would be fuming if Predator 2 was made today with its new weapons, Predator clans, cityscape, and Glover/Busey combo, and I'm also willing to bet that there's still a fair share of the audience that still feels that way. Change happens, and studios would rather retool an old favorite for future exploitation than gamble on a new standalone that might not lead to sequels (well, ones that aren't written and directed by moneymaking machine James Cameron, anyways).
Quotei remember their reviews stating how hoorrriiiiiblllleeee it was.
I remember the same. Most of the positive reviews were either backhanded or referred to it as a good B-movie at best. I remember John Fallon of JoBlo.com claiming he hated it, along with a few other colorful things.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 13, 2009, 04:02:52 AM
The kneejerk reaction is warranted. Exaggerated, but warranted. I don't think I was strung along by the promises made about AVPR, but a lot of fans legitimately believed it was going to be a return to form that would also show the general audience how viable a versus franchise could be. After that general dissatisfaction, we're hearing much of the same hype- "We're going back to the roots," "This is Predator done right," "It's got the makings of an instant classic," etc. Fans can be naive, but like all groups of people there's only so much they can take before they stop dropping their pants in masturbatory anticipation (which can be fun, I'll admit).
That said, it's getting ridiculous. I'm willing to bet money there are people who would be fuming if Predator 2 was made today with its new weapons, Predator clans, cityscape, and Glover/Busey combo, and I'm also willing to bet that there's still a fair share of the audience that still feels that way. Change happens, and studios would rather retool an old favorite for future exploitation than gamble on a new standalone that might not lead to sequels (well, ones that aren't written and directed by moneymaking machine James Cameron, anyways).
Quotei remember their reviews stating how hoorrriiiiiblllleeee it was.
I remember the same. Most of the positive reviews were either backhanded or referred to it as a good B-movie at best. I remember John Fallon of JoBlo.com claiming he hated it, along with a few other colorful things.
I was one of those guys, but now its a bad B movie.
Read it.... awful. It isn't even a good fan fiction. Worst of all, the really terrible things can easily be avoided (like the BSPs).
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 12, 2009, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 12, 2009, 11:38:06 AM
That's the most retarded design i have ever seen in my life.
QuoteLooks pretty bad ass to me.
Excuse me, WHAT??
i think it looks bad ass, so what?
Nothing what, everyone is entitled to their opinion, i just never thought that someone who even remotely likes Predator would like that design, because it is everything that was wrong with the last two movies and more.
In my personal defense, i like the statue as a concept, posting was merely an act of sarcasm and somesort of shock reaction. I think is a great concept, and well executed but should most definately stay in that form, the form of a model, not a movie character.
Just finished reading, awesome except for the new predators instead they should be bad bloods that would make more sense
Quote from: U sl kwe on Nov 13, 2009, 11:36:21 AM
Just finished reading, awesome except for the new predators instead they should be bad bloods that would make more sense
can someone explain what/who the "bad blood" are? Is it part of the comics?
I think Bad Bloods are Predator outcasts, who pretty much hunt whatever they want, they don't give a **** about their society's rules and even hunt their own.
Chibi Kiriyama makes an interesting point. When you think about it, Predator 2 was pretty different from its predecessor. There was a lot more close-quarters fighting. People who saw the original would expect that Predator to rip Danny-boy apart in seconds. Not only that, but that whole scene with all the Predators at the end probably had many people groaning, face-palming, or saying "what the hell!"
Here's the thing. While Predator 2 added a few things here and there, and fleshed out the background of the Predators a little more, it did so without being heavy-handed. For the most part, the Predator in Predator 2 acted in a way that we could believe the first Predator acting. You didn't find yourself watching the screen and going, "Wait a minute... what?"
What did they do in Predator 2 exactly? Well, first off, they took some cues from the original. They established some badass characters and had the Predator knock them down like so many bowling pins. They kept the ambush mentality, the sense of not knowing where the attack is coming from and being unable to defend yourself, the feeling of inevitability, of certainty, of imminent death.
They diverged from the original the most in the meat freezer section, where the Predator basically engaged in a shootout. It was something different, and it was a little risky, but they did it in a believable way. People, even diehard fans of the original, could accept that the Predator isn't infallible and sometimes has to improvise his plans (and nevermind the fact that he took out that entire commando team in acceptably Predator style).
They had some other changes here and there too such as the addition of a few weapons - namely the speargun, netgun, and combistick. They added these things with a subtle hand, though, didn't overdo their use, and had the predator execute their use in a way that was believably "predator-ish".
So, to the new Predator script.
Honestly, I'm alright with the initial setup. Predators have this world they've set up as hunting grounds, capturing and letting loose a variety of crazy animals, to hone their technology and their skills to a razor's edge. It's actually kinda badass. And the best part? It's BELIEVABLE to the Predator mythos.
My problems with the script are when they start throwing things in that are just too damned much. First of all, a Predator chaingun? It completely lacks the trademark elegance of the Predator weapons from the previous installments. The giant spinning blade things from AvP I could deal with, even kinda liked (despite thinking they were a bit redundant), but a chaingun just doesn't fit with the Predator. The Predator's entire tactic revolves entirely around achieving tactical dominance using superior technology and intelligence, and then taking out individual targets with skill and accuracy. A chaingun is about blasting the hell out of everything. It just doesn't fit.
The super predators bother me too. Changes in the design I understand, but the script-writers seem to miss here that the very MOST iconic part of the Predator series is the PREDATOR. You're changing the very essence of what the movie is about. Honestly, it feels like a bit of a slap in the face, like the sanctity of the Predator movies is being invaded and looked upon with an almost casual disinterest. Honestly, I can live with Predator armor looking like something designed by Super Shredder's wardrobe assistant, but when you start changing the very Predator itself, you're moving into dangerous water.
It would almost be as bad as putting Aliens in an Indiana Jones movie. Hmm. But that'll never happen I'm sure.
I have a few other misgivings but I think those two examples adequately explain where I'm coming from. Part of the allure of the Predators, at least to me, was that they HAD brute strength, but despite this, they relied on their brains to take out their prey. It seems almost as if the Predators themselves are coming in second place to showing off cool gadgets and badass action scenes.
Nah man. Sure, we want cool gadgets and badass action scenes. But that comes SECOND to the Predators, being Predators, doing what Predators do.
Oh yeah and the ending kinda blows. An open-ended climax is fine but when the ending leaves you going "WTF?" maybe it needs some tweaking.
I like predator 2, don't get me wrong, but I can also see why it was a critical flop and alot of people dont rate it. It's downright weird as its comic book origins are pretty evident. (i.e convoluted story, comic booky tone) Compared with the tone of the first, it came from left field.
Whilst predators is throwing in a chaingun (which really isnt silly when you consider advanced targeting technology and the fact that the super predators dont pull punches) its tone is far far closer to the original than any of the sequels have been.
Its for that reason, that with a decent directing hand, I dont see how fans will be disappointed unless they want NOTHING to change. Cameron introduced the Alien Queen, Antal will introduce the Black Predator/Predator Falcon/Predator Dog.
With KNB at the design helm, im sure most of the complainers will own a model/figurine of these within a year...
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 13, 2009, 11:52:20 AM
can someone explain what/who the "bad blood" are? Is it part of the comics?
It's from books and comics. Notion of honorable hunting comes from P2, partially at least.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 11:55:44 AM
I think Bad Bloods are Predator outcasts, who pretty much hunt whatever they want, they don't give a **** about their society's rules and even hunt their own.
Something like criminals in our society. Outcast. Very bad guys. ;)
Quote from: Incredible on Nov 13, 2009, 12:01:19 PM
Changes in the design I understand, but the script-writers seem to miss here that the very MOST iconic part of the Predator series is the PREDATOR. You're changing the very essence of what the movie is about. Honestly, it feels like a bit of a slap in the face, like the sanctity of the Predator movies is being invaded and looked upon with an almost casual disinterest. Honestly, I can live with Predator armor looking like something designed by Super Shredder's wardrobe assistant, but when you start changing the very Predator itself, you're moving into dangerous water.
You're absolutely right. It's something what is the most irritating and annoying in this script. Complete miss of understanding and respect of the MYTH.
Quote from: jimmylace on Nov 13, 2009, 12:35:29 PMWhilst predators is throwing in a chaingun (which really isnt silly when you consider advanced targeting technology and the fact that the super predators dont pull punches) its tone is far far closer to the original than any of the sequels have been.
Its for that reason, that with a decent directing hand, I dont see how fans will be disappointed unless they want NOTHING to change. Cameron introduced the Alien Queen, Antal will introduce the Black Predator/Predator Falcon/Predator Dog.
With KNB at the design helm, im sure most of the complainers will own a model/figurine of these within a year...
Jimmylace, my problem isn't with the chaingun. Is it theoretically possible given millions of years of advanced technology or whatever? Sure. Is it believable? Not really. It's poorly implemented. Shooting bullets out of midair is just ridiculous. Not to mention you set yourself a bar that you need to maintain throughout the rest of the movie. So he can shoot bullets out of midair but his targeting tech can't deal with bats? Come on. I've got to completely disagree with you in saying that its "tone is closer to the original than any of the sequels". Seems to me it's exactly the kind of thing I'd expect from the AvP movies, like gigantic oversized wristblades.
You make an interesting point about Aliens though. It made some pretty drastic changes, completely changing the behavior of the Aliens, the setting, and even the sub-genre into which the movie fell, and didn't particularly deliver anything special with the character development (nobody was really any different at the end than at the beginning, other than being dead). So you've got me stumped on that one...
But with that said, there's something about this movie that just reeks of AvP:R.
Quote from: jimmylace on Nov 13, 2009, 12:35:29 PM
Its for that reason, that with a decent directing hand, I dont see how fans will be disappointed unless they want NOTHING to change. Cameron introduced the Alien Queen, Antal will introduce the Black Predator/Predator Falcon/Predator Dog.
At least with the Queen they added a new life cycle and brought some sort of hierarchy to the Aliens. What we have hear is a simple concept of a Predator, dialed to eleven as people like to say.
You've got an hardcore race of alien hunters and turn them super hardcore. Regular Predators are stronger, faster and more advanced than us. Now we get Predators that are stronger, faster, meaner and even more technologically advanced than regular Predators. What's the point?
The dogs are fine, the falcon could work really well, but it's the fact that we get normal Predators mixed with Super Shredder what annoys us. We'd probably all be fine with Bad Blood Predators, but genetically enhanced Super Predators? That's some juvenile **** right there.
Maybe i've seen the Ghost in the Shell movies too much but they have nuttier technology in the Mamoru Oshii movies than plasmacaster chainguns (i.e. The Yakuza gang member with the giant crab-like hand in the second movie) and they pull it off admirably well with the movies taking themselves much more seriously than the Predator franchise.... way i see it.. it all depends on how the director does it... if they pull a Michael Mann and show it very drily with only the loud weapons firing as the dominating sound in that scene... without any f**king Michael Bay-ish hack director stylings, slow motion shit or pathetic silly soundtrack... then right on.
but then again maybe thats expecting too much finesse from Nimrod Antall :-\
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 11:55:44 AM
I think Bad Bloods are Predator outcasts, who pretty much hunt whatever they want, they don't give a **** about their society's rules and even hunt their own.
Predators hunting other Predators for sport? Thats dam right twisted and I like it!
MY TAKE ON SCRIPT AND FUTURE FILMSBased on the script, I think that is RR/Antals movie is hinting at a Predator Civil War: There is a division within the Predator society, the Super Predators and the classical Predators - explaining why the original Pred was crucified and those 4 ancient Predator skeletons that the characters see immediately after they meet Noland for the first time (i.e. 3 dead normal predators and one SP).
I know I'm in the minority but I like the idea of the BSP - the fact that they dont like losing and go to the extremes where they some how incorporate the genes of humans/aliens that have defeated Predator into their own genome - thereby gaining their strengths (may be also weakness) and becoming stronger and badder hence decreasing the chance of them losing again during a hunt. As Noland said "Its when one of us kills them do they get interested"!! (or something along that line)
Its kind of like forced evolution, survival of the the fittest - where they say "f - you" to nature and make themselves the strongest and fittest via science. This is alos hinted by the cybord birds and dogs they used - half bio half machine
- this explains why the BSP never behaved or looked like the Predators in past films because they are not "pure" Predators. More a mish mash of Predator and other alien species such as human which have defeated Predators in the past. As I said earlier, they did it to themselves to get the strengths of all the species including the Predators but in turn some may have got the weaknesses as well.
THis whole Predator civil war wibe that RR script is giving out could also explain why Dutch is with the normal Predators at the end, may be in another story he became an unwilling fighter in a Predator civil war slowly earning their respect and rising up the ranks. As I said in another post, he could have been captured by the BSP since they were aware that he defeated a Predator in the past and they wanted to study him and take samples of his DNA to incorporate into their genome. However, he was somehow rescued by the classical Predator and became their ally in a nice twist of fate! And now after Predators both Royce and Isabelle have unwillingly been drafted into the civil war....
I know I know, my idea reads like one of those comic spin off but I thinks its plausable if not very original.
Mystic Ninja, no offense, but I'm glad that you don't write scripts. That's some really bad fan fiction. And original doesn't equal good.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 01:32:58 PM
Mystic Ninja, no offense, but I'm glad that you don't write scripts. That's some really bad fan fiction. And original doesn't equal good.
No offence taken my friend. I also said my idea was not very original ;D
However, I do believe that RR has created a new caste of Predators - ones who believe in genetic enineering and improving themselves by incorporating the DNA of other species into their to make them bigger and stronger.
May be the planet is just one big lab which they use to weed out the strongest, both Predators and Prey. Where those prey who manage to kill a Predator are singled out and once killed have their DNA extracted and cloned into the Predator genome creating super Pred hybrids.
This of course has pissed off the classical Preds (and the fans ;)), who do not believe in genetic engineering and unatural improvement resulting in a civil war!!
Also can some explain, did Noland rat out the characters to the BSP? I did not understand why he disappeared and decided to randomly start a fire! I can only assume it was some sort of signal?
He went out because he wanted their equipment. He jammed the door and began to fill the room with smoke. The Predators reacted to the explosion that Royce caused to escape.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 01:56:32 PM
He went out because he wanted their equipment. He jammed the door and began to fill the room with smoke. The Predators reacted to the explosion that Royce caused to escape.
So he was trying to screw them over? what a dick! I was hoping he would be a bad ass character.
The reason why I thought he betrayed them were
1. he jammed the door
2. started a fire
3. when the Predator turned up he raised his hands up and send he was "unarmed" - I know according to Predator myth they dont kill the unarmed but how would he know that? He has been hiding for 30 yrs for a reason they would kill him on sight! If he knew they wont kill the unarmed why bother hiding, just walk around but with no weapons. May be its just bad writing, may be he was their "insider" of soughts and was part of their game.
Well, it his a hostile alien planet. Running around unarmed would probably be suicide and once he's got a gun, he's fair game.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 02:05:38 PM
Well, it his a hostile alien planet. Running around unarmed would probably be suicide and once he's got a gun, he's fair game.
His actions and words leading up to his death are stange. Guess its just lazy writing.
QuoteJimmylace, my problem isn't with the chaingun. Is it theoretically possible given millions of years of advanced technology or whatever? Sure. Is it believable? Not really. It's poorly implemented. Shooting bullets out of midair is just ridiculous. Not to mention you set yourself a bar that you need to maintain throughout the rest of the movie. So he can shoot bullets out of midair but his targeting tech can't deal with bats? Come on. I've got to completely disagree with you in saying that its "tone is closer to the original than any of the sequels". Seems to me it's exactly the kind of thing I'd expect from the AvP movies, like gigantic oversized wristblades.
I can see where people are coming from, but it is all about the execution. The same argument could be made to the Alien Queen before seeing it in the picture. (What a giant alien - thats just hollwood nonsense! etc)
The chaingun fires lasers I think - it's not beyond the realms of the Predator film universe to see it scorch pathetic human bullets out of the sky imo. Of course, if the scene is in slow-mo then it would be pretty cringeworthy. But its all in the execution (and thats a problem with basing final judgements on the script)
As for the bats, well thats a plot contrivance. Got to beat the predator somehow - before it was mud, logs, now it's bats - plus his equipments taken a hammering after going through the swamp.
Again, its all about the execution. We dont know the "black predators" are coming from the misguided place of andersons "uberpreds" - Anderson clearly didnt get the predators. I like the idea of warring factions with the predator species and I like the idea of predators advancing themselves genetically. Its a logical step after the vision mask to me.
I like alot of things about this story, and I dislike some too. I dont think it pushes it enough, and it feels like its written with the small budget in mind.
Of course, you may have it dead on!! But I think everyone needs to wait and see whether the love or hate the script. Theres at least some sort of artistic ATTEMPT at breathing life into the series which was lacking sorely in the AVPS and Predator 2.
QuoteAnderson clearly didnt get the predators.
And these guys did?
Genetically enhanced super duper preds.
Black blood.
Oversized mandibles, no nose, red glowing eyes.
Triple plasma caster.
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Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 13, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
QuoteAnderson clearly didnt get the predators.
And these guys did?
Black blood.
Oversized mandibles, no nose, red glowing eyes.
Triple plasma caster.
Well, they did get
a Predator. After all, there's one hanging crucified in the camp. They acknowledge the normal Predators with their classic equipment. But for some reason they think including a group of genetics freaks is somehow a great idea.
Rather a black predator with red eyes, than an AVP one trying to be Hugh Grant.
That said, I didnt like the description of them given in the script - very Super Shredder.
BUT I'm banking on KNB and Nimrod Antal to step in and tone them down...
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 13, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
QuoteAnderson clearly didnt get the predators.
And these guys did?
Genetically enhanced super duper preds.
Black blood.
Oversized mandibles, no nose, red glowing eyes.
Triple plasma caster.
Ok, I accept that many Predator purist are upset about the change in Predator physical features but why is a "Triple Plasma caster" such a big deal? ???
Say it out loud. Triple Plasma Caster. They already kill anything standing with a normal one. As if they weren't already deadly enough, they turn them into freaking Terminators. They make it over the top for the heck of it.
Crazy oversized weapons, Predators on steroids, Super Shredders wardrobe. Come on. They take everything we know about regular Predators and then up everything about them in the most ridiculous way.
QuoteWell, they did get a Predator.
WOW, so there is actually a Predator in the movie?
I would have never thought i would actually be glad to hear about a Predator in a Predator movie because that should be a given, instead, i get genetically mutated super freaks.. No thx, if they keep that i'm skipping the movie, and that would be the first one since 1987.
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After all, there's one hanging crucified in the camp.
Ohh, ah, nevermind then :-\
What a great introduction to the main attraction of the movie, a Predator hanging in a camp, crucified!!
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But he gets cut down and after he got new gear, indlucing a Plasma Caster, he fights the Super Black Predator.
And then he normal Predator gets his spine ripped out.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 03:15:51 PM
But he gets cut down and after he god new gear, indlucing a Plasma Caster, he fights the Super Black Predator.
And then he normal Predator gets his spine ripped out.
Doesn't change the fact that it's an incredible shitty idea, plus we get a team up
again, even giving Predator technology to a human, a whole damn ship :-X
This guy at FOX was right, no ones is ever going to talk about AVP ever again after people see this movie... because it makes AVP look like a f**king
masterpiece.
normal predators go to 10... the new ones go to 11
LMGDAO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeOXsA8sp_E
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 13, 2009, 03:20:31 PM
Doesn't change the fact that it's an incredible shitty idea, plus we get a team up again, even giving Predator technology to a human, a whole damn ship :-X
Well, it's not really a team up. He cut the Predator down because there was nothing else he could do. The Predator could have as well just smashed his head once it was free. But instead he simply repayed the debt. That's all. Who knows, maybe once the ship landed, a self destruct sequence would've started.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 03:11:24 PM
Say it out loud. Triple Plasma Caster. They already kill anything standing with a normal one. As if they weren't already deadly enough, they turn them into freaking Terminators. They make it over the top for the heck of it.
Crazy oversized weapons, Predators on steroids, Super Shredders wardrobe. Come on. They take everything we know about regular Predators and then up everything about them in the most ridiculous way.
I appreciate what your saying it is OTT. However, 90% of the people who will end up watching the movie are not hardcore Predator fans and dont know nothing about the Predator mythos so they wont be that bothered by any of the things all of us here are pissed off at. They will see the movie cos they enjoyed the original and based on what I have read in the new script they will enjoy Predators as well - RR and co know this!
The fact is that beyond the AvP Galaxy forum and other simmilar forums, no ones gives a dam whether the Predators protrayed in the new movie have green blood, black blood, single plasma caster, triple plasma caster, black armour muscular ect ect they want a film with a good story, plenty of actions, interesting characters and a bad ass monster hunting them!!
- Yes, this bad ass monster in the eyes of hardcore Predator fans is totally wrong however the majority of non Predator purist cinema goers will think its pretty kick ass! RR and co have played it clever and learned from the mistakes AvP 1&2, they have not created a stupid hybrid half Predator half alien species cos they think its cool, their design is essentially a Predator but as they said "on drugs". Had they just brought out the same Predator, the majority of cinema-goers will just say that they have seen it all before and slate the movie. Yes, we would love it but we are in the minority! Its all about money and to be honest I think RR have done their best to respect both the Predator purists and the average cinema fan.
The script imo is a worthy sucessor to the original , yes its not perfect but I'm confident that with the right execution its going to be a massive hit and make people respect the franchise again.
Like you said, the majority probably won't care because they don't know much about Predators in the first place. So if you'd use normal Predators throughout the movie, the general audience would find them just as cool as they would Super Predators.
So instead of giving us normal Predators, making everyone happy, they give us Super Predators, pissing off most of the fans and the general audience doesn't care either way.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 03:11:24 PM
Say it out loud. Triple Plasma Caster.
Can you day 'Double-bladed lightsaber?' Yes, I thought you could...
What's with you and your Star Wars examples?
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 13, 2009, 03:41:21 PMCan you day 'Double-bladed lightsaber?' Yes, I thought you could...
But that, along with Darth Maul, was one of the best things about The Phantom Menace. :o
The whole chain-gun thing reminds me of other movies where someone had a crazy superpower but they NEVER USED IT until the very end of the movie because, well, if they used it in the beginning the villians would be vanquished before the story got going! For example:
Disney's "Aladdin" - the Genie is all-powerful, yet is completely helpless while the castle is being over-run ::)
Old Japanese Godzilla movies - oftentimes Godzilla wouldn't use his atomic fiery breath until the very end of the fight which he was losing
Star Wars saga - use of the force could be wildly inconsistent depending on how much jeopardy Lucas wanted his heroes to be in
There's a lot of others I won't bother to list, but IMO this kind of thing is a sign of poor writing. Let's face it, a creature with the ability to shoot friggin' bullets traveling at super-sonic speed OUT OF MID AIR would have NO challenge hunting and killing a bunch of humans in very short order.
Quotethe majority of cinema-goers will just say that they have seen it all before and slate the movie.
Yes, i'm sure they all go like "If the Predators blood is green again then i wont go see it,
green blood, what an old hat, this is going to suck!!"
"We already had
one plasma caster, it sucks, in AvP 2 we had 2 plasma casters, now we want to have a 3 or better yet 10 headed plasma caster!!!Caramba!!"
"We want to have a genetically mutated Batman in the next installment, who's wearing his pants over his head just because it's new and fresh, hell yeah!"
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 13, 2009, 03:41:21 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 03:11:24 PM
Say it out loud. Triple Plasma Caster.
Can you day 'Double-bladed lightsaber?' Yes, I thought you could...
Nowhere near as horrible as Triple Plasma Caster.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 03:33:31 PM
Like you said, the majority probably won't care because they don't know much about Predators in the first place. So if you'd use normal Predators throughout the movie, the general audience would find them just as cool as they would Super Predators.
So instead of giving us normal Predators, making everyone happy, they give us Super Predators, pissing off most of the fans and the general audience doesn't care either way.
You misunderstand me - yes the majority dont care, but by that I mean issues like the new Predatora having black blood, large mandibles, triple canons, armour ect
What most cinema goers care about is value for money and entertainment. In my oponion, based on the script RR delivers. However, if RR used the Predator from the original movie the average movie fan would care. The original Predator, combined with the jungle setting (alien or not) will just make the majority and critics think that they have seen it all before and slate the movie.
This is why I think RR has played it well - his not created something stupid like the AvP Predalien which will just make people cringe, his kept the original Predator but evolved it! Yes the results of its evolution does not please the Predator purists however it will keep the majority at bay and convince them they are not watching a rip-off Predator ' 87.
No one expects to see the same Predator from the first Movie. Predators come in all kinds of shapes, forms and sizes, just like humans. You can still have Predators that don't look anything like the Predators we've seen before, without making them genetic freaks.
We simply don't get different Predators, we get genetic freaks.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 13, 2009, 03:49:16 PM
Quotethe majority of cinema-goers will just say that they have seen it all before and slate the movie.
Yes, i'm sure they all go like "If the Predators blood is green again then i wont go see it, green blood, what an old hat, this is going to suck!!"
"We already had one plasma caster, it sucks, in AvP 2 we had 2 plasma casters, now we want to have a 3 or better yet 10 headed plasma caster!!!Caramba!!"
"We want to have a genetically mutated Batman in the next installment, who's wearing his pants over his head just because it's new and fresh, hell yeah!"
Now your being silly!
Ok, say if RR listened to everyone here and got rid of the BSP and replaced them with the classical Predators. This combined with the jungle settings and characters will just make the average cinema fan think that they have seen it all before! There will be nothing new, it will be just a rehash of the original but swap earth with alien planet - the film will get slated and flop!
Dont get me wrong,
I'm not saying that BSP is some kind of stroke of genius and the greatest monster ever created!! However, having BSP in addition to the classical one in the new films diverts the average movie goers thought away from the fact that they are just watching the original Predator but on an alien planet and Brody instead of Arnold!
I dont know..
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*sigh*
Again. No one expects to see the classic Predator as he was in the first Movie. Predators are a race of individuals like humans. You can have a giant Predator, a small Predator, a middle sized, Predator, etc. Long dreads, short dreads, with spikes or their skin and without, being green, black, red, yellow or brown skinned. You can simply design Predators in a ****load of ways.
You can create Predators that haven't been seen before and are new, without making them genetic misfits. What's so hard to understand about that?
From the looks of it, we might as well just give up on everything here. Lets face it, none of us have been truly satisfied with any of the sequels past Aliens, and Predator. The people who are involved in these projects dont study and break down this shit like we do, they actually have lives, lol. They could care less about continuity, and stickin with the blueprints that awed us in the first place. They just wanna make money. Less hardcore fans (meaning people who like the movies, but dont discuss it in their spare time), will probably go see it and really, really enjoy it, thus putting money in the pockets of the moviemakers. Nobody that matters(as far as makin one of these films) cares wut we think over here. For some reason, even tho people here have a better understanding of how these movies should be, fate shined on the people who r doing the films, but dont know how to present it to the true fans. Probably cuz mainstream society thinks these kinda movies r garbage, while we think there gold. Nobody has an imagination anymore, everybody wants reality. Its depressing, and so is this quote i know
Quote from: Wolf Sazen on Nov 13, 2009, 04:17:32 PMLets face it, none of us have been truly satisfied with any of the sequels past Aliens, and Predator.
Excuse me? :-\ I was
very satisfied with both Predator 2 and Alien 3.
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*sigh*
Again. No one expects to see the classic Predator as he was in the first Movie. Predators are a race of individuals like humans. You can have a giant Predator, a small Predator, a middle sized, Predator, etc. Long dreads, short dreads, with spikes or their skin and without, being green, black, red, yellow or brown skinned. You can simply design Predators in a ****load of ways.
You can create Predators that haven't been seen before and are new, without making them genetic misfits. What's so hard to understand about that?
LOL! ok ok, if you go for my older post I accept the "same race, different looking Predator" theory!
However your words confuse me, you accept that Predators can look different because the Predators are a race of individual like humans but you reject the idea that some Predators may like to geneticaly enhance themselves to make them bigger and stronger?
We read and accept the possibility that some humans would like to genetically modify themselves in films and news but yet many here reject the idea of make belief Predators having the same facination of enhancing themselves to become stronger despite accepting that Predators are individuals and come from a advanced civilisation?
Quote from: Shasvre on Nov 13, 2009, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: Wolf Sazen on Nov 13, 2009, 04:17:32 PMLets face it, none of us have been truly satisfied with any of the sequels past Aliens, and Predator.
Excuse me? :-\ I was very satisfied with both Predator 2 and Alien 3.
Yeah, I was too. The only thing i dont like about any and all of the movies was the lack of gore in AvP, and the Alien/Human hybrid in Alien Rez. I liked Requiem, who wants to shoot me, lol. I was kinda speakin as a narrator for all the negative things we here about every movie since those i mentioned, from the most hardcore of fans right here on this site. I like a lot of things about all the movies, and i consider myself a hardcore fan. I was just tryin to make a point. Would we rather thier be no sequels, no chance to see our favorite sci-fi creatures on screen ever again? None of the sequels r bad enough for me to not want to see another chapter in either franchise. Keep it comin's wut i say
Predators are individuals like us - different tastes, beliefs, morals ect Like humans, I bet the majority of the Predators have a code of honour (i.e. morals) however just like us I bet there are a few Predators who just dont give a f**k!
There are many humans who would love to geneticaly enhance themselves to be stronger, to be gods among men! In the same way, I dont see why its impossible for members of the Predator species to have the same facination!
Therefore I see nothing wrong with RR BSP! He has done nothing wrong or retarded like the Predalien. His just created a group of Predators who have no morals and like to geneticaly modify themselves to dominate and be the superior species including being superior among their own kind. Its not a perfect idea, far from it, but its plausible and darn sight better then anything I have seen since the original movie.
I believe "PREDATORS" has a double double meaning: Firstly, Predators hunting Predators and second Outcasts hunting Outcasts - The human characters in the movie are outcasts in their society (assasins, spec ops, serial killers) in a simmilar way the BSP are also outcasts in their society.
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 13, 2009, 04:23:58 PM
LOL! ok ok, if you go for my older post I accept the "same race, different looking Predator" theory!
However your words confuse me, you accept that Predators can look different because the Predators are a race of individual like humans but you reject the idea that some Predators may like to geneticaly enhance themselves to make them bigger and stronger?
We read and accept the possibility that some humans would like to genetically modify themselves in films and news but yet many here reject the idea of make belief Predators having the same facination of enhancing themselves to become stronger despite accepting that Predators are individuals and come from a advanced civilisation?
What's the point though? Predators are already bigger and stronger than us. If they can't defeat humans in their regular state, then they suck. Plain and simple. You read the script, their genetic tempering got them soooo far. Making themselves even bigger and stronger than they are is redundant, as they are already vastly superior compared to us. If there's anything they need to do, it's to pick up better hunting skills.
Quote from: Wolf Sazen on Nov 13, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: Shasvre on Nov 13, 2009, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: Wolf Sazen on Nov 13, 2009, 04:17:32 PMLets face it, none of us have been truly satisfied with any of the sequels past Aliens, and Predator.
Excuse me? :-\ I was very satisfied with both Predator 2 and Alien 3.
Yeah, I was too. The only thing i dont like about any and all of the movies was the lack of gore in AvP, and the Alien/Human hybrid in Alien Rez. I liked Requiem, who wants to shoot me, lol
I wouldn't go that far, but I do think P2 was a worthy sequel and is better than A3, A:R, AvP and AvP:R.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 04:32:51 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 13, 2009, 04:23:58 PM
LOL! ok ok, if you go for my older post I accept the "same race, different looking Predator" theory!
However your words confuse me, you accept that Predators can look different because the Predators are a race of individual like humans but you reject the idea that some Predators may like to geneticaly enhance themselves to make them bigger and stronger?
We read and accept the possibility that some humans would like to genetically modify themselves in films and news but yet many here reject the idea of make belief Predators having the same facination of enhancing themselves to become stronger despite accepting that Predators are individuals and come from a advanced civilisation?
What's the point though? Predators are already bigger and stronger than us. If they can't defeat humans in their regular state, then they suck. Plain and simple. You read the script, their genetic tempering got them soooo far. Making themselves even bigger and stronger than they are is redundant, as they are already vastly superior compared to us. If there's anything they need to do, it's to pick up better hunting skills.
I dont mean to butt in to u guys debate, jus wanted to thro my opinion in there, and i have to agree with whichever of u said theres really no need for the BSP's i think. I was totally mystified by the Predator when i first saw it onscreen, and i still am. I feel like the creation of these so called BSP's is a little over the top. But i guess i'll wait and see the movie. It kinda hurts tho, cuz i like the style of the predators im used to, and i dont wanna see these BSP's become the norm or outshine the origionals. Thats just me tho
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 13, 2009, 03:50:56 PM
Can you day 'Double-bladed lightsaber?' Yes, I thought you could...
Nowhere near as horrible as Triple Plasma Caster.
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Every bit as horrible, and just as useless. The big difference is that the fans ate up the Double-bladed lightsaber and embraced it (I shall never understand why).
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 04:32:51 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 13, 2009, 04:23:58 PM
LOL! ok ok, if you go for my older post I accept the "same race, different looking Predator" theory!
However your words confuse me, you accept that Predators can look different because the Predators are a race of individual like humans but you reject the idea that some Predators may like to geneticaly enhance themselves to make them bigger and stronger?
We read and accept the possibility that some humans would like to genetically modify themselves in films and news but yet many here reject the idea of make belief Predators having the same facination of enhancing themselves to become stronger despite accepting that Predators are individuals and come from a advanced civilisation?
What's the point though? Predators are already bigger and stronger than us. If they can't defeat humans in their regular state, then they suck. Plain and simple. You read the script, their genetic tempering got them soooo far. Making themselves even bigger and stronger than they are is redundant, as they are already vastly superior compared to us. If there's anything they need to do, it's to pick up better hunting skills.
Why do you assume that humans will pose the toughest challenge to a Predator? I'm sure there are other bad ass creatures out there, such as Predators themselves!!
- the crucified Predator hints at this, also the ancient skeletons that Royce and co come across after meeting Noland.
The more I think about it the more I like the concept of the BSP. The Predators have been the dominat species, flying around and hunting others for fun! Then one day, the tables get turned and its them who are the prey but in a cruel twist of fate its a member of their own species who is hunting them - a bigger and badder member of their species!
I see the Alien planet that the film is set as a training ground/lab - which the BSP use to select the strongest prey. Noland hints at this with the line "its when one of us kills them is when they get interested"!! They select the toughest prey, kill it, extracts its DNA and clone it into their genome thereby incorporating its strengths into themselves! These BSP then go hunting creatures more tougher then anything else in the universe including humans, the PREDATORS themselves!!
HUmans often hunt humans since they believe there is nothing more harder to hunt then your own species. Why is it impossible for certain twisted members of the Predator species to hunt their own?
I think Predators (2010) is just the start to something more epic!
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 13, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
These BSP then go hunting creatures more tougher then anything else in the universe including humans, the PREDATORS themselves!!
And yet, those Predators who have enhanced themselved to hunt their own get owned by humans.
QuoteHUmans often hunt humans since they believe there is nothing more harder to hunt then your own species. Why is it impossible for certain twisted members of the Predator species to hunt their own?
I think Predators (2010) is just the start to something more epic!
I have nothing against sinister Predators who hunt their own, but I prefer a cunning Predator to Predators who have to enhance themselves. You don't need genetic superiority, you just need to be the better hunter. I don't mind them being ruthless and hunting with no remorse and disregarding the rules, but when they already have advanced tech and are naturally a very strong race, then gene-manipulation becomes redundant.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 13, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
These BSP then go hunting creatures more tougher then anything else in the universe including humans, the PREDATORS themselves!!
And yet, those Predators who have enhanced themselved to hunt their own get owned by humans.
QuoteHUmans often hunt humans since they believe there is nothing more harder to hunt then your own species. Why is it impossible for certain twisted members of the Predator species to hunt their own?
I think Predators (2010) is just the start to something more epic!
I have nothing against sinister Predators who hunt their own, but I prefer a cunning Predator to Predators who have to enhance themselves. You don't need genetic superiority, you just need to be the better hunter. I don't mind them being ruthless and hunting with no remorse and disregarding the rules, but when they already have advanced tech and are naturally a very strong race, then gene-manipulation becomes redundant.
I agree with you, based on the script the BSP are not formidable and do easily get killed off by the humans. However, its difficult to tell by script and I hope that this error will be sorted out during filming. I hope! :-\
Yes being a better hunter is a lot better then being a geneticaly superior! However, I would be interested to know how you would potray this superiority in terms of hunting skills on screen without repeating what was done in P1 and P2 and the others?
Dusk, lets agree to disagree! :)
It was good debating with you.
However, I do have a feeling that RR has a lot more ideas under his sleave and Predators (2010) is just the tip of a story that is a lot more epic.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 13, 2009, 03:50:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 13, 2009, 03:41:21 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 03:11:24 PM
Say it out loud. Triple Plasma Caster.
Can you day 'Double-bladed lightsaber?' Yes, I thought you could...
Nowhere near as horrible as Triple Plasma Caster.
I can't even pictured in my head..I can't really,how's that would work like one in both shoulders and one in the head or just one in a shoulder with 3 barrels or like what?
:D This is funny,such crap idea.
At least it should be better than... AVP... R *shiver* depending on what the BSP's look like.
Quote from: Raptor on Nov 13, 2009, 05:34:37 PM
I can't even pictured in my head..I can't really,how's that would work like one in both shoulders and one in the head or just one in a shoulder with 3 barrels or like what?
:D This is funny,such crap idea.
It's supposed to work like a chaingun and shoot other chaingun bullets mid-air. Now you can maybe better imagine how that nonsense is supposed to look like.
Quote from: Rabies on Nov 13, 2009, 05:43:45 PM
At least it should be better than... AVP... R *shiver* depending on what the BSP's look like.
AvP:R Predators didn't look too bad. The face simply wasn't as high quality as Winston's designs.
wasn't talking about predator design just how the movie was done in general
Ah, ok, I just thought because you were mentioning the Predator's looks.
i have not read the script but what iv heard actually sounds good, humans enhance themselves with steroids and growth hormones so why not the predators? and shooting bullets in mid air doesn't sound that far fetched especially if its advanced alien technology with a bullet tracking system. and if its like a laser than it is the speed of light and could outrun any bullet which is like what 1000 ft a sec or something.
I just read the script. I really liked it
Can we openly discuss this in this thread?
Quote from: jordan on Nov 13, 2009, 08:25:27 PM
Can we openly discuss this in this thread?
I'd like to hear your opinion on this, man.
-Rakai'Thwei
Well... it says right in the thread title spoilers, so if you get mad about reading spoilers in a thread that has a gigantic all-caps warning that says spoilers, well... this movie is for you!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2009, 08:52:42 PM
Quote from: jordan on Nov 13, 2009, 08:25:27 PM
Can we openly discuss this in this thread?
I'd like to hear your opinion on this, man.
-Rakai'Thwei
First of all, what did you think of it (If you've read it), I know you're big on 1/2.
Anyway, I don't have much positive to say. I don't like these Black Predators, now that its been revealed that they're some sort of superior race and integral to the movie. I don't like the idea of Anytime or Pussyface being lesser, especially to something thats borderline cheesy (Spikes on shoulders etc?). Predator 1/2 won't be the same if they really push this, i.e. the hunters wouldn't be all that big of a deal on rewatching once this movie sinks in. I tried to suspend my belief at several points while reading the script. At one point trying to convince myself they were rogues doing their own thing without 'sanction'. Or I'd hoped that the tied up Predator would unleash hell.
Other things - I'm not into Royce. I liked the people who died earlier, Royce (Who's playing him anyway?) is a bit cliched. Its trying to force badassery out of nothing. Maybe the actor/director can bring it to life. All the nods to Predator, aren't 'nods' a versus thing? Wheres the confidence to expand by itself? Anyway I just finished reading it an hour or so ago. Haven't fully digested it, but I keep coming back to these 'Black Super Predators'. And theres 3 of them.
One thing I really liked - the Yakuza guy throwing down.
Edit: Arnolds cameo. Ridiculous, hate that. Hope hes busy.
I actually like the Royce character a lot. From the sound of it he's a hitman, probably ex-military and no relatives. He isn't there to make friends, he's cold and calculating, he doesn't risk his hide for anyone unless he thinks they could be helpful later. He's just another Predator.
These Black Super Predators. I'm actually starting to hate the concept. Even though its arguable it could work. Look at the T-800 in the Terminator series. Cameron convincingly sold a 'superior' T-1000. The same thing was attempted later in T3 with that TX, that failed completely. It just sucked and felt like an adolescant wrote it.
Quote from: jordan on Nov 13, 2009, 09:15:08 PM
First of all, what did you think of it (If you've read it), I know you're big on 1/2.
What did I think of it?
I think it's just downright juvenile. I don't agree with alot of the things which Rodriguez is putting out, and I strongly believe that this is nothing more than something written by a twelve year old. I personally think the fans deserve better, and so does the franchise.
I do not like the Super Predators at all whatsoever. I just don't see the need for Predators to suddenly mutate into something so redundant. They are a physically powerful race, and they are also technologically advanced. But the idea of Predators mutating just because one member of their race was beaten just doesn't fit in with the mythos which Predator and Predator 2 established. If anything it degenerates the Predator character into something which it isn't. Like you I tried to believe that this was just one clan and only one clan which went rogue, but from the way the script is written, it's confusing-- either the entire Predator race does this (which I hope doesn't), or just this particular clan. As someone brought up, the normal Predator fighting against the BSP is evident of this being a Rogue clan but in retort, I can say I hope whoever said this is right.
The Plasma Chaingun is just downright stupid and it doesn't work. Shooting bullets out of mid-air? Juvenile. Real childish if you ask me. This would only work in a Matrix sequel, not Predator. I can see a bunch of kids thinking this is cool though, when actually, it's just juvenile.
The Super Predators are supposed to be tougher and meaner, when in actuality-- they're weaker, as portrayed in the script. The Hanzo fight bothers the hell out of me, and so does the scene where the Super Predator is killed in a cave with grenades. Where did the insane durability go? The insanely bullet timing reflexes? All these things we saw the normal Predators do? Where did this go? And black blood? ....Sorry but that needs to go.
And the normal Predator dying... Yeah... so much for a TRUE Predator and not the Tokusatsu monsters Roddy came up with.
The endings.. yeah... Both of them need to go. Especially the Dutch one. I'd prefer it if Ah-nold was left alone. Dutch doesn't need to be in this movie. I like to think that Dutch was locked away by the government.
-Rakai'Thwei
I read this script pretty quickly, but it seemed to me they were trying to sell the idea of regular Predators being a 'mere' subrace, and that this is for all intents and purposes the first big reveal of what the real species (Their interpretation) actually is. Was their an explanation for why the crucified Predator was singled out in the earlier script? I get the feeling the writers don't even know what a rogue Predator is. This seems like a cheap way to 'reboot' and one-up the previous movies.
This all reminds me on Anderson and his fat Predators. Remember Anderson claiming his fat (Three) Predators were the 'real deal', and that Anytime and Pussyface were just honing their craft as youngsters. The difference this time though is that this is surely, undoubtedly, canon.
The Predator dogs, another worry.
But why would rogue Predators be 'Like Predators on Steroids'? Or have black blood?
I tried to wonder the same about the black blood, that's what i've been trying to figure out, at times maybe they are just enhanced preds or something (obviously) and the black blood probably has something to do with that? AGH!
Quote from: jordan on Nov 13, 2009, 09:41:47 PM
I read this script pretty quickly, but it seemed to me they were trying to sell the idea of regular Predators being a 'mere' subrace, and that this is for all intents and purposes the first big reveal of what the real species (Their interpretation) actually is. Was their an explanation for why the crucified Predator was singled out in the earlier script? I get the feeling the writers don't even know what a rogue Predator is. This seems like a cheap way to 'reboot' and one-up the previous movies.
This all reminds me on Anderson and his fat Predators. Remember Anderson claiming his fat (Three) Predators were the 'real deal', and that Anytime and Pussyface were just honing their craft as youngsters. The difference this time though is that this is surely, undoubtedly, canon.
The Predator dogs, another worry.
But why would rogue Predators be 'Like Predators on Steroids'? Or have black blood?
People keep on saying that this movie is Predator 3.. but from what I believe, this movie is supposed to be the sequel to the original, meaning we're supposed to forget P2, regaurdless if that movie has been written out or not. In this case, the latter.
I don't know what to think anymore, and I'm ready to give up.
I kind of agree with you there on Anderson's comment there, which I think is BS, but AvP not being canon?
[Cringes] I'm not stepping in that direction. Nope. Not gonna, not gonna, not gonna.
-Rakai'Thwei
Guys, think about this as a spin-off to the series. Film about different predators. I hope that we`ll get fillm called "Predator 3" in near future.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2009, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: jordan on Nov 13, 2009, 09:41:47 PM
I read this script pretty quickly, but it seemed to me they were trying to sell the idea of regular Predators being a 'mere' subrace, and that this is for all intents and purposes the first big reveal of what the real species (Their interpretation) actually is. Was their an explanation for why the crucified Predator was singled out in the earlier script? I get the feeling the writers don't even know what a rogue Predator is. This seems like a cheap way to 'reboot' and one-up the previous movies.
This all reminds me on Anderson and his fat Predators. Remember Anderson claiming his fat (Three) Predators were the 'real deal', and that Anytime and Pussyface were just honing their craft as youngsters. The difference this time though is that this is surely, undoubtedly, canon.
The Predator dogs, another worry.
But why would rogue Predators be 'Like Predators on Steroids'? Or have black blood?
People keep on saying that this movie is Predator 3.. but from what I believe, this movie is supposed to be the sequel to the original, meaning we're supposed to forget P2, regaurdless if that movie has been written out or not. In this case, the latter.
I don't know what to think anymore, and I'm ready to give up.
I kind of agree with you there on Anderson's comment there, which I think is BS, but AvP not being canon?
[Cringes] I'm not stepping in that direction. Nope. Not gonna, not gonna, not gonna.
-Rakai'Thwei
Well, it could be a 'sidequel'. It doesn't give us much to go on, the French chic is pretty vague.
Quote from: Master on Nov 13, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
Guys, think about this as a spin-off to the series. Film about different predators. I hope that we`ll get fillm called "Predator 3" in near future.
This is as close to Predator 3 as we're going to get. If this does well though, they'll do another. The problem is it'll be 'Black Super Predators' from there on out. They've basically made the standard Predator (Ugh, I'm using the word standard now) a pussy and not 'exciting enough' or dangerous enough to merit 'improvements' in a would-be sequel.
I'm just not going to see the movie nor give a crap about this bullshit anymore, this is too f**king stupid for me to even be able to actually sit down and watch. I'm officially done.
Yeah I don't have the energy to get mad anymore. Its just... whatever, at this stage.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 13, 2009, 10:05:24 PM
I'm just not going to see the movie nor give a crap about this bullshit anymore, this is too f**king stupid for me to even be able to actually sit down and watch. I'm officially done.
Almost makes me ashamed to be a Predator fan... It also makes me want to get rid of whatever fan-characters I made.
It's quite depressing really.
-Rakai'Thwei
I don`t like your attitude but I can`t blame you either.
Quote from: jordan on Nov 13, 2009, 10:10:47 PM
Yeah I don't have the energy to get mad anymore.
It's exactly what Jordan said, Master. I just don't have the energy anymore.
-Rakai'Thwei
This could still be good.. if there's no CG Predators.
Guys, I love those films as much as you do (maybe even more ;D) and I`m not quiting, not yet. I still have two solid Predator films that I`m a fan of. And I`m still waiting for the third one, and I hope I`ll get it. I certainly do. Don`t give up maybe this one won`t be so bad.
I'm going with the wait and see approach. What we could end with, could be vastly different from the script. I hope that they just realize that enhanced Super Predators don't add anything to the plot and add just a whole layer of weirdness to the race. There's nothing clear cut.
In Predator 2 they showed us an entire clan and you got the idea that there was a whole society and that there's definitely some sort of hierarchy with the Elder shown. Same with the Queen in Aliens. But this? Super Predators? What's the point?
Quote from: Master on Nov 13, 2009, 10:24:09 PM
Guys, I love those films as much as you do (maybe even more ;D) and I`m not quiting, not yet. I still have two solid Predator films that I`m a fan of. And I`m still waiting for the third one, and I hope I`ll get it. I certainly do. Don`t give up maybe this one won`t be so bad.
I love the first two Predator films, and.. the AvP films... REGAURDLESS of what ANYONE says. I'm entitled to like what I like, right?
I wish I could believe that this movie will be good, but from seeing Rodriguez's previous movies and the trailer to Machete, I just don't think this will be any good.
Still, I appriciate you trying to build up my hopes but don't...
-Rakai'Thwei
Maybe its a different specie or race of Predator.
and CG PREDATORS! Is this really a possibility?
CG preds would be the final straw for me.
Yes, that's what I'm terrified about because we've heard nothing really about the actual Predators of the film and the new filming information kinda made it sound like they were going to film them in CG.
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 13, 2009, 10:28:04 PM
Maybe its a different specie or race of Predator.
I tried convincing myself of that.
-Rakai'Thwei
CG Preds wouldn't surprise me. You've got the regular Predator who's already towering over Royce and then have him fight with the BSP who's even taller.
That might not be that bad, actually. I mean the Queen worked in Aliens.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2009, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 13, 2009, 10:28:04 PM
Maybe its a different specie or race of Predator.
I tried convincing myself of that.
-Rakai'Thwei
They probably are but they're still dumb.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 10:33:53 PM
CG Preds wouldn't surprise me. You've got the regular Predator who's already towering and then have him fight with the BSP who's even taller.
I'm sure we'll have our first CGI preds in this. Or least some enhancements. They might create some armor in CGI. Just a thought.
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 13, 2009, 10:34:32 PM
That might not be that bad, actually. I mean the Queen worked in Aliens.
The Queen wasn't done in CG.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 10:33:53 PM
CG Preds wouldn't surprise me. You've got the regular Predator who's already towering and then have him fight with the BSP who's even taller.
*cringes*
Please god not let this be true.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2009, 10:36:32 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 13, 2009, 10:34:32 PM
That might not be that bad, actually. I mean the Queen worked in Aliens.
The Queen wasn't done in CG.
-Rakai'Thwei
I meant the idea of a different class of Predator, not CG Predators. (which I'm still worried about)
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 13, 2009, 10:36:40 PM
*cringes*
Please god not let this be true.
Really depends on how much they stick to the script. A normal Predator is already pretty big. Now imagine a Predator that's even taller. It'd be a freaking giant and could probably squash a human head with one hand. If they think it's too big to work, maybe they'll drop it.
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 13, 2009, 10:36:40 PM
*cringes*
Please god not let this be true.
You have to remember Roddy LOVES CGI. Especially with his previous experiences with KNB, when you look at his Spy Kids movies, Shorts, and Planet Terror to a lesser extent.
So CGI Predators wouldn't surprise me, but I still wouldn't be pleased.
-Rakai'Thwei
I don`t think so. BSP definitely stay. Lets just hope that they`ll bleed green blood, and don`t use plasma chaingun that can take down bullets from minigun ::)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2009, 10:27:27 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 13, 2009, 10:24:09 PM
Guys, I love those films as much as you do (maybe even more ;D) and I`m not quiting, not yet. I still have two solid Predator films that I`m a fan of. And I`m still waiting for the third one, and I hope I`ll get it. I certainly do. Don`t give up maybe this one won`t be so bad.
I love the first two Predator films, and.. the AvP films... REGAURDLESS of what ANYONE says. I'm entitled to like what I like, right?
I wish I could believe that this movie will be good, but from seeing Rodriguez's previous movies and the trailer to Machete, I just don't think this will be any good.
Still, I appriciate you trying to build up my hopes but don't...
-Rakai'Thwei
Lol escuse me sir, but this is very idiot.
One, Rodriguez don't direct this one.
Two, Machete is meant to be cheesy, it's on purpose you know, I don't know why you are bringing it up.
And last, you like the AVPs movies... ( hum, I won't go further but damn ), and you still find a way to already bash this one. Wow man, you made one spectacular post.
Was skimming through the script,saw this:
Spoiler
Predator vs. Super Predator,original vs upgrade. Clash of the f**king titans
wow,I is are excitedz.
Quote from: XenoVC on Nov 13, 2009, 11:20:23 PM
Was skimming through the script,saw this:
Predator vs. Super Predator,original vs upgrade. Clash of the f**king titans
Pffft... Why not call it PC vs Mac?
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 13, 2009, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 13, 2009, 10:36:40 PM
*cringes*
Please god not let this be true.
You have to remember Roddy LOVES CGI. Especially with his previous experiences with KNB, when you look at his Spy Kids movies, Shorts, and Planet Terror to a lesser extent.
So CGI Predators wouldn't surprise me, but I still wouldn't be pleased.
-Rakai'Thwei
it will be cg for there cloaking and maby they are filmed on green screen and made to look bigger or somthing. but i cant see tham doing them totaly cgi.
I read it,I like it but they need to replace the Super Predators with normal Bad Bloods and replace the BSP with a badass bigger Bad Blood Predator as a leader and for the love of Jesus don't put that triple plasma caster its just stupid and I feel insulted by it,I was ok with wolf double plasma caster but not 3 I mean that's just stupid.
I really liked Royce character and I can see Brody putting a decent performance.
that's all.
Cheers everybody!!
Quote from: Raptor on Nov 14, 2009, 12:42:30 AM
I read it,I like it but they need to replace the Super Predators with normal Bad Bloods and replace the BSP with a badass bigger Bad Blood Predator as a leader and for the love of Jesus don't put that triple plasma caster its just stupid and I feel insulted by it,I was ok with wolf double plasma caster but not 3 I mean that's just stupid.
If the Super Predators were replaced with Bad Bloods, I would be all for this movie as it would not really contradict the Predator mythos at all, but knowing Roddy-- he'd be keeping them. And thats a gaurentee.
I mean Super Predators? ....What the hell?
-Rakai'Thwei
What I would never understand its why they think there's a need to have mutants super predators in there and one black with black blood ::).
With normal predators will be awesome just make them a little different like one more bigger and other with different skin tones,make them fight or hunt different with their own style or traps or tactics or whatever they like but keeping the original look,its not that hard,its not like people are expecting a super badass black predator anyway they want to see Predators and they know the Predators from the first 2 movies and maybe the new AVP ones,this could potentially backfire horribly.
It seems like a bad forced concept to me.
THERES NOT GOING TO BE ANY MUTANT SUPER BLACK PREDATORS FOR THE LAST TIME. GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES PLEASE.
Do you honestly think Rodriguez and Nimrol would allow a travesty like that to happen......
HERE I'll even give you a F**king link to proove it.
http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=11949 (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=11949)
Quote from: Raptor on Nov 14, 2009, 12:42:30 AMtriple plasma caster its just stupid and I feel insulted by it,I was ok with wolf double plasma caster but not 3 I mean that's just stupid.
It's not 3.. it's just 1 with 3 gun barrels.. that spin like a chaingun. or at least that was the notion that i got from the script.
Quote from: Hybrid PM on Nov 14, 2009, 01:30:26 AM
THERES NOT GOING TO BE ANY MUTANT SUPER BLACK PREDATORS FOR THE LAST TIME. GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES PLEASE.
Do you honestly think Rodriguez and Nimrol would allow a travesty like that to happen......
HERE I'll even give you a F**king link to proove it.
http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=11949 (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=11949)
How does that quote prove that they're not using Mutant Super Predators? And you've read the script, the character Noland all buts say's they alter themselves after loosing to a human. Or something to that effect.
There will be different predators in this film.
The only thing i get from that quote is that most likely the super black predators are gonna be in there... just "reminiscent of the original in design".
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 14, 2009, 01:36:04 AM
How does that quote prove that they're not using Mutant Super Predators? And you've read the script, the character Noland all buts say's they alter themselves after loosing to a human. Or something to that effect.
And thats what bothers me the most, really. If you ask me, it contradicts alot of things which were in Predator and Predator 2.
What happened to self-destructing and taking your prey with you as you go out in a fiery blaze of glory?
What happened to earning the respect of a Clan leader after one of his warriors was defeated? What happened to all of these things?
If anything, the idea of upgrading after a single lost member just screams out that the Predator race are nothing but sore losers, who have to god-mod to win. And if you ask me, thats just not Predator.
I really hope it's just one clan and not the entire race.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 14, 2009, 02:14:04 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 14, 2009, 01:36:04 AM
How does that quote prove that they're not using Mutant Super Predators? And you've read the script, the character Noland all buts say's they alter themselves after loosing to a human. Or something to that effect.
And thats what bothers me the most, really. If you ask me, it contradicts alot of things which were in Predator and Predator 2.
What happened to self-destructing and taking your prey with you as you go out in a fiery blaze of glory?
What happened to earning the respect of a Clan leader after one of his warriors was defeated? What happened to all of these things?
If anything, the idea of upgrading after a single lost member just screams out that the Predator race are nothing but sore losers, who have to god-mod to win. And if you ask me, thats just not Predator.
I really hope it's just one clan and not the entire race.
-Rakai'Thwei
And they're not using any of the ideas from Predator 2, but I think its funny because of one of super predators uses a spear which was established in P2.
Anyway, bottom line is this: the filmmakers want to do something different and that's fine. I'm all for different ideas (I like the falcons and the dogs), but it just seems most of their ideas end up contradicting a lot established canon when comes to these new Preds. The same thing happened in AvPR with the Predalien and new RP cycle.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 14, 2009, 02:18:06 AM
And they're not using any of the ideas from Predator 2, but I think its funny because of one of super predators uses a spear which was established in P2.
Anyway, bottom line is this: the filmmakers want to do something different and that's fine. I'm all for different ideas (I like the falcons and the dogs), but it just seems most of their ideas end up contradicting a lot established canon when comes to these new Preds. The same thing happened in AvPR with the Predalien and new RP cycle.
And Rodriguez is saying his movie is the sequel to the original, not even bringing up Predator 2. Not even so much as mentioning it in the script as if it never existed.
...And people still keep on saying this is Predator 3. Thats what confuses me.
-Rakai'Thwei
The alternate ending with Dutch looks epic in my mind
Spoiler
Picture the two survivors in a sand storm the predators apearing out of no were taking away the corpus of fallen super Pred as they disappear into the sand storm. The Leader in heavy paladin like armor and trophies for shoulder pads with cap flaping in the wind. Standing boldly gazing at the two surivors as he takes of his tribal like helmet only to find out its dutch old with a flesh scar on his right eye "Not bad kid not bad at all"
To this music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Tee_XNuhg&feature=related
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 14, 2009, 02:21:47 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 14, 2009, 02:18:06 AM
And they're not using any of the ideas from Predator 2, but I think its funny because of one of super predators uses a spear which was established in P2.
Anyway, bottom line is this: the filmmakers want to do something different and that's fine. I'm all for different ideas (I like the falcons and the dogs), but it just seems most of their ideas end up contradicting a lot established canon when comes to these new Preds. The same thing happened in AvPR with the Predalien and new RP cycle.
And Rodriguez is saying his movie is the sequel to the original, not even bringing up Predator 2. Not even so much as mentioning it in the script as if it never existed.
...And people still keep on saying this is Predator 3. Thats what confuses me.
-Rakai'Thwei
To me there is a sort of reboot/remake vibe in this script. RR is making something that wants to honor the original but at the same time bring something fresh to the table. Hence super predators!
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 14, 2009, 02:24:26 AM
To me there is a sort of reboot/remake vibe in this script. RR is making something that wants to honor the original but at the same time bring something fresh to the table. Hence super predators!
I know, but he's said that he wants this movie to be the sequel to the original Predator. A direct sequel anyway. Thereby not acknowledging Predator 2 at all, and only mentioning the first events in the original Predator.
So, is it a reboot or a sequel? I'm willing to say both. It's a reboot because it ignores everything which has been established in Predator 2 regaurding the Predator clan culture and everything, but it is a sequel because according to Robert Rodriguez, he wants this new movie to be the sequel to the original.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 14, 2009, 02:40:00 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 14, 2009, 02:24:26 AM
To me there is a sort of reboot/remake vibe in this script. RR is making something that wants to honor the original but at the same time bring something fresh to the table. Hence super predators!
I know, but he's said that he wants this movie to be the sequel to the original Predator. A direct sequel anyway. Thereby not acknowledging Predator 2 at all, and only mentioning the first events in the original Predator.
So, is it a reboot or a sequel? I'm willing to say both. It's a reboot because it ignores everything which has been established in Predator 2 regaurding the Predator clan culture and everything, but it is a sequel because according to Robert Rodriguez, he wants this new movie to be the sequel to the original.
-Rakai'Thwei
I guess by ignoring P2 he can play with the canon the way he sees it. Because like you said he wants this to be a direct sequel to the first film.
But that's not the way I think it works. Just my two cents.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 14, 2009, 02:14:04 AM
If anything, the idea of upgrading after a single lost member just screams out that the Predator race are nothing but sore losers, who have to god-mod to win. And if you ask me, thats just not Predator.
That's Anytime in a nutshell.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 14, 2009, 02:48:24 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 14, 2009, 02:14:04 AM
If anything, the idea of upgrading after a single lost member just screams out that the Predator race are nothing but sore losers, who have to god-mod to win. And if you ask me, thats just not Predator.
That's Anytime in a nutshell.
Yeah, Anytime was going to have that last word. ;D
Quote from: Commander Griker on Nov 14, 2009, 02:22:45 AM
The alternate ending with Dutch looks epic in my mind
Spoiler
Picture the two survivors in a sand storm the predators apearing out of no were taking away the corpus of fallen super Pred as they disappear into the sand storm. The Leader in heavy paladin like armor and trophies for shoulder pads with cap flaping in the wind. Standing boldly gazing at the two surivors as he takes of his tribal like helmet only to find out its dutch old with a flesh scar on his right eye "Not bad kid not bad at all"
To this music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Tee_XNuhg&feature=related
Which is why Satan will be waiting eagerly for your arrival.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 13, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
These BSP then go hunting creatures more tougher then anything else in the universe including humans, the PREDATORS themselves!!
And yet, those Predators who have enhanced themselved to hunt their own get owned by humans.
QuoteHUmans often hunt humans since they believe there is nothing more harder to hunt then your own species. Why is it impossible for certain twisted members of the Predator species to hunt their own?
I think Predators (2010) is just the start to something more epic!
I have nothing against sinister Predators who hunt their own, but I prefer a cunning Predator to Predators who have to enhance themselves. You don't need genetic superiority, you just need to be the better hunter. I don't mind them being ruthless and hunting with no remorse and disregarding the rules, but when they already have advanced tech and are naturally a very strong race, then gene-manipulation becomes redundant.
Bingo. Nothing wrong with the concept, I thought a master hunter who became bored and started hunting other Preds is fine idea... this particular execution is just completely overblown and straight out of a DH comic book.
wont open for me, wanted to have a look. downloads, but adobe says its damaged or something and wont open. is there another link or is it posted elsewhere? any thoughts? acrobat is up to date.
having a quick flick thru some of the comments in not sure i want to read it, perhaps i wish to remain in fantasy land imagining this will be the best predator movie ever!!
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 14, 2009, 03:23:06 AM
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 13, 2009, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 13, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
These BSP then go hunting creatures more tougher then anything else in the universe including humans, the PREDATORS themselves!!
And yet, those Predators who have enhanced themselved to hunt their own get owned by humans.
QuoteHUmans often hunt humans since they believe there is nothing more harder to hunt then your own species. Why is it impossible for certain twisted members of the Predator species to hunt their own?
I think Predators (2010) is just the start to something more epic!
I have nothing against sinister Predators who hunt their own, but I prefer a cunning Predator to Predators who have to enhance themselves. You don't need genetic superiority, you just need to be the better hunter. I don't mind them being ruthless and hunting with no remorse and disregarding the rules, but when they already have advanced tech and are naturally a very strong race, then gene-manipulation becomes redundant.
Bingo. Nothing wrong with the concept, I thought a master hunter who became bored and started hunting other Preds is fine idea... this particular execution is just completely overblown and straight out of a DH comic book.
i actualy want a predator movie to be more like the comics.
They had one, it was called AvP:R.
Not to mention the first AvP.
Indeed.
I just couldn't resist commenting.
The thing that really kills me about this film is not the fact that its going to suck for us fans, and its not the fact that RR and Co are in for all that' internet' money. It is the horrible fact that once this film comes out and it has settled with the people who aren't fans already of the franchise, that they will think that this is how ALL the predators are and act because its the "NEW" one so its totally awesome and cool :-\
not to mention sequels and or video games who want a piece of the pie, this might be how all predator related anythings will now be about.... sad day
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 14, 2009, 02:40:00 AM
I know, but he's said that he wants this movie to be the sequel to the original Predator. A direct sequel anyway. Thereby not acknowledging Predator 2 at all, and only mentioning the first events in the original Predator.
So, is it a reboot or a sequel? I'm willing to say both. It's a reboot because it ignores everything which has been established in Predator 2 regaurding the Predator clan culture and everything, but it is a sequel because according to Robert Rodriguez, he wants this new movie to be the sequel to the original.
-Rakai'Thwei
That'd the really stupid. He wouldn't need to ignore Predator 2 or replace it with another Movie. Firstly, it wasn't a horrible movie, you only disregard Movies that are pretty much trash and a slap to the franchise. Something like the Batman & Robin Movie. Secondly, Predators undoubtedly have many different Clans and not all might follow the same set of rules. And if you go with the Bad Blood angle, it would be no problem to ignore what has been established, as these would clearly be rogue Predators.
Not reading this.
Quote from: Commander Griker on Nov 14, 2009, 02:22:45 AM
The alternate ending with Dutch looks epic in my mind
Spoiler
Picture the two survivors in a sand storm the predators apearing out of no were taking away the corpus of fallen super Pred as they disappear into the sand storm. The Leader in heavy paladin like armor and trophies for shoulder pads with cap flaping in the wind. Standing boldly gazing at the two surivors as he takes of his tribal like helmet only to find out its dutch old with a flesh scar on his right eye "Not bad kid not bad at all"
To this music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Tee_XNuhg&feature=related
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Seriously thing that bothers me the most is that those preds are mutants. You can`t make yourself a mutant. Only major changes that can be done to a being is in it`s embryo stage.
Seriously replace mutant preds to ones on drugs, steroids and stimulants. Make their blood green again and I`ll be happy. Every other thing is bareable for me (except idea of minigun plasmacasters and Duch ending), and those mutant Preds are dangerously close to AvP-r predalien ideas.
This may sound stupid as hell, but Predator Concrete Jungle (the game) would ahve made a better f**king movie...despite the ludicrous ending boss, it still would have made a better movie.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi149.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs62%2Fmadvp%2FBSPFinal2dye.jpg&hash=371d7e60b2dd174cb82165e00f4ee503ec510f47)
Gill would be so disappointed in all this pred on pred fighting..
Yes, i doodled this just for this topic :P
It's made everything better now.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 14, 2009, 02:39:12 PM
This may sound stupid as hell, but Predator Concrete Jungle (the game) would ahve made a better f**king movie...despite the ludicrous ending boss, it still would have made a better movie.
Not really. I enjoyed Concrete Jungle as a game with a crazy comic book story, but as a full fledged Movie? Eh...
The Predator as a protagonist, not a single likable human character, street gangs using Predator tech? No thanks.
Concrete jungle seemd for me very far into the future. IMHO it was too futuristic. But I liked it despite predator-human hybrid boss.
I've just read the script, it left me...how should I put it...
empty, hollow...with a little touch of disappointment.
I look forward to some parts, like the fights at the end.
but if the movie is done after this script I think that we'll get a movie slightly better than AvP-R.
It doesn't compete with Predator or Predator 2.
It wouldn't suprise me if this movie goes straight too TV, on sci-fi channel.
I've read several fan made stories on this site that was way better than this.
Way better...
Some were really good but none as poor as this one.
I feel that the movie Predators will be the final nail in the coffin.
It's the "batman and Robin" movie for the Predator franchise.
Now, all one can do is too lay back and wait for a rebirth to happen some time in the future, like 2020.
I'll be 43 years old then, hope I'll enjoy it as much I enjoyed Batman Begins and Dark knight.
Oh, come on. It isn`t as bad as AvP-R, not even close. But it`s aint as good as P1/2 too. It`ll be like AvP. Not good and not that bad.
Or maybe it`ll surprise us, and become great sequel to both Predator films. Now we can only moan, wait and eventually see ;)
This movie its supposed to put Predator in the spotlight in a good way again ignoring both AVPs and people already talking about the final nail in the coffin I mean they may as well not make the freaking movie there is no point whatsoever.
I think the script its great like I said the only problems are with the Predator design choices(BSP,SP >:(),the ending and that barrel plasma caster if they change that this could be a great Predator film and worthy of the first 2.
In my humble opinion.
Those are my bigest concerns too. Also black blood must be changed IMO. Other than that it can be good film.
I have not read the script and have not reviewed the spoiler comments. Does the script provide any insight as to which predator weapons are used?
...Uh, yeah. It's the script.
Wait for some footage, and I'd even say for the movie before saying some such nonsense.
Nimrod Antal is no Anderson for christ sake, they are not playing in the same league at all talent-wise. If you know a bit about filmmaking and watch some of his stuff, you'd know that. No way this movie will be as bad as AVP, the directing and the cast itself will put it way ahead from those pieces of shits made by hack.
But hey, here we don't talk about filmmaking apparently, so... well keep going, we'll see.
Well, Anatal have one v.good film in his career (kontroll) and one v.bad (Vacancy). So he is 50/50., we don`t know how good Armored or Predators are going to be. About Anderson he have two v.good films (Mortal Kombat, Event Horizon) two not bad (Deth Race, Resident Evil) and one bad (AvP, what else ;)). For me he is still higher than Anatal.
Quote from: Master on Nov 14, 2009, 11:06:40 AM
Quote from: Commander Griker on Nov 14, 2009, 02:22:45 AM
The alternate ending with Dutch looks epic in my mind
Spoiler
Picture the two survivors in a sand storm the predators apearing out of no were taking away the corpus of fallen super Pred as they disappear into the sand storm. The Leader in heavy paladin like armor and trophies for shoulder pads with cap flaping in the wind. Standing boldly gazing at the two surivors as he takes of his tribal like helmet only to find out its dutch old with a flesh scar on his right eye "Not bad kid not bad at all"
To this music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Tee_XNuhg&feature=related
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Seriously thing that bothers me the most is that those preds are mutants. You can`t make yourself a mutant. Only major changes that can be done to a being is in it`s embryo stage. Seriously replace mutant preds to ones on drugs, steroids and stimulants. Make their blood green again and I`ll be happy. Every other thing is bareable for me (except idea of minigun plasmacasters and Duch ending), and those mutant Preds are dangerously close to AvP-r predalien ideas.
thats damn intresting, I never knew this before, are you sure an grown up specimen is impossible to undergo genetici mutation? :P
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 14, 2009, 10:08:11 PM
No way this movie will be as bad as AVP, the directing and the cast itself will put it way ahead from those pieces of shits made by hack.
Clearly you haven't seen the Village which had a strong cast consisting of Jaquine Pheonix, Sigourney Weaver and Adrian Brody... and even THEY weren't enough to save that flop.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 15, 2009, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 14, 2009, 10:08:11 PM
No way this movie will be as bad as AVP, the directing and the cast itself will put it way ahead from those pieces of shits made by hack.
Clearly you haven't seen the Village which had a strong cast consisting of Jaquine Pheonix, Sigourney Weaver and Adrian Brody... and even THEY weren't enough to save that flop.
-Rakai'Thwei
True dat.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 15, 2009, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 14, 2009, 10:08:11 PM
No way this movie will be as bad as AVP, the directing and the cast itself will put it way ahead from those pieces of shits made by hack.
Clearly you haven't seen the Village which had a strong cast consisting of Jaquine Pheonix, Sigourney Weaver and Adrian Brody... and even THEY weren't enough to save that flop.
-Rakai'Thwei
it still made over i think 200 million in the box office
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 15, 2009, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 14, 2009, 10:08:11 PM
No way this movie will be as bad as AVP, the directing and the cast itself will put it way ahead from those pieces of shits made by hack.
Clearly you haven't seen the Village which had a strong cast consisting of Jaquine Pheonix, Sigourney Weaver and Adrian Brody... and even THEY weren't enough to save that flop.
-Rakai'Thwei
He means in terms of quality, Pedro. And it wasn't a flop, it made about 250 million. You're forgetting, actors are no longer a pull these day(Surrogates, anyone?) sans Will Smith.
The movie just has to
look good. No matter how you get it to look good, just make that shit look
good.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Nov 15, 2009, 12:45:44 AM
it still made over i think 200 million in the box office
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 15, 2009, 01:03:19 AM
He means in terms of quality, Pedro. And it wasn't a flop, it made about 250 million. You're forgetting, actors are no longer a pull these day(Surrogates, anyone?) sans Will Smith.
The movie just has to look good. No matter how you get it to look good, just make that shit look good.
Wrong choice of words on my part. Granted, it was a
commercial success, the reviews were really unkind to the film.
-Rakai'Thwei
Boo-hoo. The monsters weren't real. Whine some more.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 15, 2009, 01:16:22 AM
Boo-hoo. The monsters weren't real. Whine some more.
Okay!
Boo-hoo, the twist was f**king moronic. Boo-hoo, the whole
back story was f**king moronic. Boo-hoo, there wasn't a single likeable character in the
entire God-damned film.
Boo-hoo.
Boo-hoo.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 15, 2009, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 15, 2009, 01:16:22 AM
Boo-hoo. The monsters weren't real. Whine some more.
Okay!
Boo-hoo, the twist was f**king moronic. Boo-hoo, the whole back story was f**king moronic. Boo-hoo, there wasn't a single likeable character in the entire God-damned film.
Boo-hoo.
Boo-hoo.
Agreed. Can't stand that film.
Hey guys, new here but a huge Pred fan, Active member of the Hunter's Lair and work in the film industry. I will have to start by saying that I am no way affiliated to this film. I do have friends that have worked on previous predator films. That being said, I can honestly say that in my opinion that this is NOT a shooting script. It is not written like one and would never have more then a single ending. A shooting script would have been finalized, with camera direction. It would have been through a line producer for budgeting and would not contain the amount of description that this script has. All of this would have been story boarded by then and anything extra in the script would have been a waste of time. While I do believe that this may be an early version, the way it was written, ...there is no way that it would pass a studio exec. Screenwriting is a very specific art. Structure and punctuation is extremely important in the professional world. I do believe that this is an early "outline" version of the films script. Also..things like BLACK SUPER PREDATOR are written as a marker to distinguish character. it may have been an early concept that they just kept the name for. Thanks for letting me post here...cant believe I never found my way earlier. I'll try and be more active on these boards as well
Quote from: ptgreek on Nov 15, 2009, 01:48:30 AM
Hey guys, new here but a huge Pred fan, Active member of the Hunter's Lair and work in the film industry. I will have to start by saying that I am no way affiliated to this film. I do have friends that have worked on previous predator films. That being said, I can honestly say that in my opinion that this is NOT a shooting script. It is not written like one and would never have more then a single ending. A shooting script would have been finalized, with camera direction. It would have been through a line producer for budgeting and would not contain the amount of description that this script has. All of this would have been story boarded by then and anything extra in the script would have been a waste of time. While I do believe that this may be an early version, the way it was written, ...there is no way that it would pass a studio exec. Screenwriting is a very specific art. Structure and punctuation is extremely important in the professional world. I do believe that this is an early "outline" version of the films script. Also..things like BLACK SUPER PREDATOR are written as a marker to distinguish character. it may have been an early concept that they just kept the name for. Thanks for letting me post here...cant believe I never found my way earlier. I'll try and be more active on these boards as well
Well, that's a relief. Does that explain the shoddy dialog that the women spills about Dutch in one part of the script? It just seems like she knows everything all of sudden.
It will be nice watching a new predator film that doesn't drag the entire alien franchise through the garden backwards.
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Nov 15, 2009, 02:15:30 AM
It will be nice watching a new predator film that doesn't drag the entire alien franchise through the garden backwards.
Agreed. The franchises need to learn to once again stand on their own two (four?) feet.
I should have known coming here that knowledge of filmmaking would be pretty low. Resident Evil, Death Race not bad fims, and mortal kombat a very good film, seriously? ok... Anderson higher than Antal, lol I know who I'm talking to then, it's clear now thanks. And the village is not devoid of flaws but its arstistic integrity and merits are more worthy of anything this hack will ever put on screen. But ok, not a big deal I'll let it go. I won't start a fight, it wouldn't go anywhere anyway.
Quote from: ptgreek on Nov 15, 2009, 01:48:30 AM
Hey guys, new here but a huge Pred fan, Active member of the Hunter's Lair and work in the film industry. I will have to start by saying that I am no way affiliated to this film. I do have friends that have worked on previous predator films. That being said, I can honestly say that in my opinion that this is NOT a shooting script. It is not written like one and would never have more then a single ending. A shooting script would have been finalized, with camera direction. It would have been through a line producer for budgeting and would not contain the amount of description that this script has. All of this would have been story boarded by then and anything extra in the script would have been a waste of time. While I do believe that this may be an early version, the way it was written, ...there is no way that it would pass a studio exec.
That makes sense, I found it very overly descriptive too, like the writer had to sell it and impress some people. As a reader it can help you to be sucked in, but as a filmmaker, it might be useless going through all that shit to get to the point I guess. Thanks anyway to confirm my impression thats this is probably an early draft.
QuoteDoes that explain the shoddy dialog that the women spills about Dutch in one part of the script?
I don't see why it should be explained, waste of time if you want my opinion. She knows it, that's all you need to know, she has the information so what? it's a part of the mystery surrounding her character, we don't even know who she really is.
Spoiler
It is hinted that she's hiding something big about her, her attitude in the final especially, her last line in the first ending is very mysterious to me. What does she mean exactly ?
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 15, 2009, 02:19:41 AM
Agreed. The franchises need to learn to once again stand on their own two (four?) feet.
I still believe that there is alot of potential in the AvP franchise.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Nov 15, 2009, 02:15:30 AM
It will be nice watching a new predator film that doesn't drag the entire alien franchise through the garden backwards.
That's the most convoluted aphorism for buttrape ever.
Quotethis is NOT a shooting script.
It's still a legit CT and amazingly stupid in parts as well.
Quote from: ptgreek on Nov 15, 2009, 01:48:30 AM
That being said, I can honestly say that in my opinion that this is NOT a shooting script.
Doesn't mean the shooting script is necessarily entirely different.
QuoteIt is not written like one and would never have more then a single ending.
Not so. There are precedents for multiple endings being written - the
Scream movies leap to mind - and the shooting script of
Dr. No had suggestions for alternate takes on scenes.
QuoteA shooting script would have been finalized, with camera direction.
Shooting scripts don't always have camera direction. Camera direction in scripts is actually kind'a looked down on - That stuff should be left to the director.
Quoteand would not contain the amount of description that this script has.
Never read a shooting script written by Charlie Kaufman? :)
QuoteAll of this would have been story boarded by then
Not necessarily. And even if it had, that's no reason to strip back the writing.
QuoteWhile I do believe that this may be an early version, the way it was written, ...there is no way that it would pass a studio exec.
Doesn't have to - It's a commission, not a spec script, and a
revision of a commission at that. There's a lot more formatting freedom in scripts someone's asked you to write, than in scripts you have to pitch and get read.
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 15, 2009, 02:59:34 AM
ok... Anderson higher than Antal, lol I know who I'm talking to then, it's clear now thanks.
We could argue who's better or worse till the cows come home, but Anderson's a competent director at
least. His movies are let down by horrible scripts - Hand him a decent script and a decent cast (
Event Horizon) and he makes a decent movie.
You can only polish a turd so much - (insert favourite director here) would have a hard time turning Anderson's AvP script, as-is, into anything but a popcorn flick.
Sil ..agreed on many of your points, However this is not a Kaufman script. The final draft is to be written by writers who have yet to prove themselves in a showing film. And while it is not a spec script, it is a script that needs to be budgeted. Judging by your terminology, I take it you have read a few scripts yourself. It just doesnt read correctly to me. There is something legit about it I'll give it that. But I dont see this as the final draft. reads way to close to RR initial treatment...I would imagine some revision by now. The alternate ending was of course written given a certain actors availability. Im sure now that they are in production, they would have settled that detail. I've been resisting putting in a call to someone that can confirm this for me. While this is an interesting tidbit for us in fandom, I wonder how much we can really rely on as fact.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 15, 2009, 03:07:57 AM
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Nov 15, 2009, 02:15:30 AM
It will be nice watching a new predator film that doesn't drag the entire alien franchise through the garden backwards.
That's the most convoluted aphorism for buttrape ever.
I know but I'm just trying to take it a day at a time.
Well I didn't want to go there, but if you invite me then I will.
Anderson is not a competent director whatsoever, otherwise he would make decent movies at least if not great, he's just an hack that studio enjoys to work with because the guy doesn't care about making good movies nor does he have the talent, that or he is too stupid to know that he's making shit. Granted I didn't watch Event Horizon, but let assume it's a good one, well it would just simply be an accident. He shoots shitty scripts not because he has no choice, it's simply because he thinks they are cool, he can't tell the difference between a bad and a great script. He even writes them you know. Yeah he also wrote avp, it's his big brilliant idea. Not Event Horizon though. Good directors would never turn an AVP's script into a decent flick, because they simply wouldn't accept to do it to begin with.
That just amazes me here to see people already bashing this one for a couple of descriptions in an early script, when they support such a tool like Anderson and the awful AVPs garbage. Talk about stupid ideas, here you got a true one unmatchable. But I guess there's a reason why this site is called AVP after all. Black blood, oh my god it's the end of world, but AVP concept, man it has some potential. LOL.
Quote from: ptgreek on Nov 15, 2009, 03:44:58 AM
The final draft is to be written by writers who have yet to prove themselves in a showing film.
That is, largely, irrelevant in this case.
QuoteAnd while it is not a spec script, it is a script that needs to be budgeted.
Which is in no way impeded by overly descriptive prose, in the same way it isn't impeded by overly sparse prose.
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 15, 2009, 04:15:59 AM
otherwise he would make decent movies at least if not great,
Like I said - His
scripts let his films down.
Take a look through a movies, and there's nothing wrong with their
direction. Acting? Yes. Dialogue? Yes. Silly ideas? Yes. But a director only has so much control over these elements.
QuoteGranted I didn't watch Event Horizon, but let assume it's a good one, well it would just simply be an accident.
Utter horseshit at worse, incredibly flawed logic at best. That's like saying Antal's
Kontrol being good will be a mistake because
Vacancy was a load of tripe.
They removed the one thing that bogged his movies down - him being the writer - and his direction shined through.
QuoteHe even writes them you know.
Yes, I said this.
QuoteGood directors would never turn an AVP's script into a decent flick, because they simply wouldn't accept to do it to begin with.
So he's a lousy writer. No-one's arguing that. And there's a certain amount of bias when it's a script you've written. But he clearly can identify a good script, as he did with
Event Horizon, and
Death Race did exactly what it needed to do.
QuoteThat just amazes me here to see people already bashing this one for a couple of descriptions in an early script, when they support such a tool like Anderson and the awful AVPs garbage.
Most people don't support his AvP garbage.
Quotebut AVP concept, man it has some potential.
It does. We'd seen it work - The first comic was fine. Aliens and Predators fighting in a pyramid under the Antarctic might not have been expected, but as a setup there's not too much wrong with it, and it
could have been great.
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 15, 2009, 04:15:59 AM
Well I didn't want to go there, but if you invite me then I will.
Anderson is not a competent director whatsoever, otherwise he would make decent movies at least if not great, he's just an hack that studio enjoys to work with because the guy doesn't care about making good movies nor does he have the talent, that or he is too stupid to know that he's making shit. Granted I didn't watch Event Horizon, but let assume it's a good one, well it would just simply be an accident. He shoots shitty scripts not because he has no choice, it's simply because he thinks they are cool, he can't tell the difference between a bad and a great script. He even writes them you know. Yeah he also wrote avp, it's his big brilliant idea. Not Event Horizon though. Good directors would never turn an AVP's script into a decent flick, because they simply wouldn't accept to do it to begin with.
That just amazes me here to see people already bashing this one for a couple of descriptions in an early script, when they support such a tool like Anderson and the awful AVPs garbage. Talk about stupid ideas, here you got a true one unmatchable. But I guess there's a reason why this site is called AVP after all. Black blood, oh my god it's the end of world, but AVP concept, man it has some potential. LOL.
Anderson obviously knows how to talk the talk, but when it comes to making a the film I think he takes too much advice from the studio and producers. In a way I think he's afraid to stand up for what he believes just so he can get a movie made. His script for AvP was bad from the get go, but Shane Salerno made it worse. Pretty much what you see in AvP is most of the Shane Salerno crap. As you know he also wrote the "fabulous" AvPR with new RP method and all.
Anyway, getting back to Anderson he's what you call a popcorn film director. His films are dumb fun to most people. I don't like popcorn films because they're turds with a nice shining sparkle about them. They look good visually but pretty much everything else is a ripoff from other films. There's nothing exciting about most of them though I will say I thought Death Race was a hoot and a half. His best films since Event Horizon, which I think is overrated in some ways.
I didn't care for the Predators script, but I know there's no way it will be worse than the AvP films.
Oh, as for the whole "A good director wouldn't go with a crap script", here's the pitch that got Sir Ridley Scott to make Monopoly:
Quote"I created a comedic, lovable loser who lives in Manhattan and works at a real estate company and he's not very good at his job but he's great at playing Monopoly. And the world record for playing is 70 straight days – over 1,600 hours – and he wanted to try to convince his friends to help him break that world record. They think he is crazy. They kid him about this girl and they're playing the game and there's this big fight. And he's holding a Chance card and after they've left he says, 'Damn, I wanted to use that Chance card,' and he throws it down. He falls asleep and then he wakes up in the morning and he's holding the Chance card, and he thinks, 'That's odd.'
He's all groggy and he goes down to buy some coffee and he reaches into his pocket and all he has is Monopoly money. All this Monopoly money pours out. He's confused and embarrassed and the girl reaches across the counter and says, 'That's OK.' And she gives him change in Monopoly money. He walks outside and he's in this very vibrant place, Monopoly City, and he's just come out of a Chance Shop. As it goes on, he takes on the evil Parker Brothers in the game of Monopoly. He has to defeat them. It tries to incorporate all the iconic imageries -- a sports car pulls up, there's someone on a horse, someone pushing a wheelbarrow -- and rich Uncle Pennybags, you're going to see him as the maitre d' at the restaurant and he's the buggy driver and the local eccentric and the doorman at the opera. There's all these sight gags."
Quote from: echobbase79 on Nov 15, 2009, 04:49:30 AM
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 15, 2009, 04:15:59 AM
Well I didn't want to go there, but if you invite me then I will.
Anderson is not a competent director whatsoever, otherwise he would make decent movies at least if not great, he's just an hack that studio enjoys to work with because the guy doesn't care about making good movies nor does he have the talent, that or he is too stupid to know that he's making shit. Granted I didn't watch Event Horizon, but let assume it's a good one, well it would just simply be an accident. He shoots shitty scripts not because he has no choice, it's simply because he thinks they are cool, he can't tell the difference between a bad and a great script. He even writes them you know. Yeah he also wrote avp, it's his big brilliant idea. Not Event Horizon though. Good directors would never turn an AVP's script into a decent flick, because they simply wouldn't accept to do it to begin with.
That just amazes me here to see people already bashing this one for a couple of descriptions in an early script, when they support such a tool like Anderson and the awful AVPs garbage. Talk about stupid ideas, here you got a true one unmatchable. But I guess there's a reason why this site is called AVP after all. Black blood, oh my god it's the end of world, but AVP concept, man it has some potential. LOL.
Anderson obviously knows how to talk the talk, but when it comes to making a the film I think he takes too much advice from the studio and producers. In a way I think he's afraid to stand up for what he believes just so he can get a movie made. His script for AvP was bad from the get go, but Shane Salerno made it worse. Pretty much what you see in AvP is most of the Shane Salerno crap. As you know he also wrote the "fabulous" AvPR with new RP method and all.
Anyway, getting back to Anderson he's what you call a popcorn film director. His films are dumb fun to most people. I don't like popcorn films because they're turds with a nice shining sparkle about them. They look good visually but pretty much everything else is a ripoff from other films. There's nothing exciting about most of them though I will say I thought Death Race was a hoot and a half. His best films since Event Horizon, which I think is overrated in some ways.
I didn't care for the Predators script, but I know there's no way it will be worse than the AvP films.
every time a watch avp i like it more and appreciate it for what it is. it actually had good effects filming and set design and a fairly good cast. and popcorn movies can be good, i realy liked transformers and that was totaly a popcorn film as much as people diss michale bay he is a pretty good action director. i wish the rabert rodrigas would have directed predators and had a more graphic comedy vibe to it.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 15, 2009, 04:41:51 AM
Quote from: ptgreek on Nov 15, 2009, 03:44:58 AM
The final draft is to be written by writers who have yet to prove themselves in a showing film.
That is, largely, irrelevant in this case.
QuoteAnd while it is not a spec script, it is a script that needs to be budgeted.
Which is in no way impeded by overly descriptive prose, in the same way it isn't impeded by overly sparse prose.
Well ..when a studio's money is at stake in a franchise it does become relevant. Anyways made a call to someone who could validate this script. I hope to hear back. Sil ..not sure if you are trying to argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. I dont disagree with you on what you are saying. I have seen films greenlit on the strangest of pitches ..and we all know that bad films get made. I just doubted the validity of this being a shooting script. What do you think? do you think this is the final version?
sorry ...about the strange "quote" text still learning the functions of this board
Quote from: ptgreek on Nov 15, 2009, 05:49:09 AM
Well ..when a studio's money is at stake in a franchise it does become relevant.
They've already shown enough faith to hire them largely sight unseen (largely) - They're not going to be put off by overly descriptive writing :P
QuoteI just doubted the validity of this being a shooting script. What do you think? do you think this is the final version?
I don't believe it's the final version, but I couldn't say for sure. However I don't think the final version will be overly different in writing style.
I'm really not sure what point I was trying to make. I think I was trying to make one, but it got lost. Sorry! :P
curious to read the Medieval script...I would like to see the writing style in it. I guess its hard to tell in Predators ..they came into a story already established and wrote based off that.
Quote from: ptgreek on Nov 15, 2009, 03:44:58 AM
Sil ..agreed on many of your points, However this is not a Kaufman script. The final draft is to be written by writers who have yet to prove themselves in a showing film. And while it is not a spec script, it is a script that needs to be budgeted. Judging by your terminology, I take it you have read a few scripts yourself. It just doesnt read correctly to me. There is something legit about it I'll give it that. But I dont see this as the final draft. reads way to close to RR initial treatment...I would imagine some revision by now. The alternate ending was of course written given a certain actors availability. Im sure now that they are in production, they would have settled that detail. I've been resisting putting in a call to someone that can confirm this for me. While this is an interesting tidbit for us in fandom, I wonder how much we can really rely on as fact.
That's because it's a CT, a concept treatment. It's as close as you get before final blocking.
see... not necessarily. I've read quite a few CT's that were very different then the final revision. Hmmm ...I guess this is still all speculation until we can get some sort of idea of where this script came from and what draft it is
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 15, 2009, 04:15:59 AM
Black blood, oh my god it's the end of world, but AVP concept, man it has some potential. LOL.
haha true true
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 15, 2009, 02:59:34 AM
I don't see why it should be explained, waste of time if you want my opinion. She knows it, that's all you need to know, she has the information so what? it's a part of the mystery surrounding her character, we don't even know who she really is. Spoiler
It is hinted that she's hiding something big about her, her attitude in the final especially, her last line in the first ending is very mysterious to me. What does she mean exactly ?
That part of the script is such a teaaaseeee...
Spoiler
they were definitely trying to go with "sequel material" in there. Having the knowledge she had implies that she worked for the US government at some point.... maybe... I sorta had the impression that the predators were trying to draw some kind of reaction from her... first they stop the hound from atacking her on a early scene (right as she's about to commit suicide, therefore stopping her from doing so) and towards the end they leave both her and Edwin (who are trapped in a net) alive...all of this makes the "alien" line about her a bit more literal perhaps.... i also had the impression that they werent interested in Edwin at all as a potential prey but rather wanted to see what he would do to the others... hence leaving him alive in the net as well.
Also...
Spoiler
reading the script for a second time i find the battle between black superpredator and Hanzo more aceptable.. as the predator that dies in that scene had taken quite a beating from Stans in an earlier scene (he took a knife to the throat as if it was nothing!) yet still takes most of his weaponry off to fight hanzo with his blades.. the dude is EVIL!
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 14, 2009, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 14, 2009, 11:06:40 AM
Quote from: Commander Griker on Nov 14, 2009, 02:22:45 AM
The alternate ending with Dutch looks epic in my mind
Spoiler
Picture the two survivors in a sand storm the predators apearing out of no were taking away the corpus of fallen super Pred as they disappear into the sand storm. The Leader in heavy paladin like armor and trophies for shoulder pads with cap flaping in the wind. Standing boldly gazing at the two surivors as he takes of his tribal like helmet only to find out its dutch old with a flesh scar on his right eye "Not bad kid not bad at all"
To this music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Tee_XNuhg&feature=related
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Seriously thing that bothers me the most is that those preds are mutants. You can`t make yourself a mutant. Only major changes that can be done to a being is in it`s embryo stage. Seriously replace mutant preds to ones on drugs, steroids and stimulants. Make their blood green again and I`ll be happy. Every other thing is bareable for me (except idea of minigun plasmacasters and Duch ending), and those mutant Preds are dangerously close to AvP-r predalien ideas.
thats damn intresting, I never knew this before, are you sure an grown up specimen is impossible to undergo genetici mutation? :P
Genetic mutations? Yes. It is possible but only at the cellular stage. Like in cancers. Mutated cell is dividing and is creating cancerous growth.
About making a grownup organism a mutant, well that`s the other case. You just can`t change genotype of whole organism. In order to do so you would have to change genes of every cell in whole body. And we are talking about billions of cells. It is much easier to change phenotype by stimulating an organism with hormones, steroids etc. But it won`t change it`s blood color.
It's a movie. A movie about advanced space hunters. No one's gonna care how mutation works realistically.
So is this the final draft?
No one knows. Not yet anyway.
P2 wasn't so bad, it was not like they forced a ****load of honor stuff down our throats. You had the one Predator that was wrecking havok all around the city and then one Predator, the big cheese, showing a little respect to Harrigan. It's nothing as bad as the Avp Scar stuff.
But yes, I want mean SOBs. But regular ones if possible instead of genetic freaks.
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nice Predator design. I notice it has red eyes just like in the script?
What I like most about the Black Super Predators created by RR is that they are mean SOB's who are ruthless and show no mercy! Just like the Predator in the original movie.
RR et al script has made the Predator a monster again and not the "honurable human-esque space samurai" species that we have had to put up with from P2, spin off comics and AvP movies.
The best reviewed and most loved Predator movie is the original and why is that? because the monster was cool and one evil twisted ugly mother f**ker! A creature that made you root for the films hero in the climatic battle. Everyone other movie since, which has attempted to humanise the Predator, has failed.
As I read the script, for the first time since the original, I actually cared what happened to the human protoganists. There was a lot of tension in the script something I have not read/seen since the original. Yes, there are something I would change like the ending but other then a few minor nigles the script is pretty good.
I have spoken to many people about the film since reading the script, most just normal movie fans who enjoyed the original, and every single one has said that they think the story rocks and can not wait till the movie comes out.
Black blood, triple canons ect are just petty critisims since I dont think 99% of people who will watch this movie wont give a dam. Whether you like it or not, RR Predators is going to be a hit and make people treat and see the Predator with resect again and not the joke that the comics and AvP franchises have created.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 12:03:36 PM
It's a movie. A movie about advanced space hunters. No one's gonna care how mutation works realistically.
But they should. If not, we`ll get more of such pretty things as AvP-r predalien. And try not to double post.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 01:21:40 PM
P2 wasn't so bad, it was not like they forced a ****load of honor stuff down our throats. You had the one Predator that was wrecking havok all around the city and then one Predator, the big cheese, showing a little respect to Harrigan. It's nothing as bad as the Avp Scar stuff.
But yes, I want mean SOBs. But regular ones if possible instead of genetic freaks.
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I wouldn`t mind if BSP looked like this. I wouldn`t mind at all.
Am I the only one that actually LIKES the script?
Quote from: Master on Nov 15, 2009, 02:35:45 PM
And try not to double post.
I didn't. Someone deleted his post.
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 02:50:45 PM
Am I the only one that actually LIKES the script?
There are many that like the script. The majority simply hate genetically enhanced Super Predators. It like out of a bad comic book.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 15, 2009, 02:35:45 PM
And try not to double post.
I didn't. Someone deleted his post.
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 02:50:45 PM
Am I the only one that actually LIKES the script?
There are many that like the script. The majority simply hate genetically enhanced Super Predators. It like out of a bad comic book.
It never says they are genetically enhanced though does it?
This is from the script.
Quote"On Black. For the first time in its life, in some deep, dark
recess of its gene-spliced, enhanced heart, it knows fear."
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 03:06:47 PM
This is from the script.
Quote"On Black. For the first time in its life, in some deep, dark
recess of its gene-spliced, enhanced heart, it knows fear."
Ah yeah... Now, I'm pretty sure that's the only time it's referenced and that's only in the action. I.E it'll never be mentioned by a character so the SPs will just be there and bigger etc with no explanation, so people can think whatever they feel best about...
Also, on the subject of Action Descriptions in the script... Some of it is pure awful, at times it feels like it's written by a ten year old...
Yeah, it won't be referenced, but people hate how they are described in the script. They are bigger than a normal Predator, stronger than a normal Predator, they got crazy weapons like a 3 barreled Plasma Caster with a chaingung function, that could level the rain forrest. Over the top armor with every single part being pointy in some way.
Simply put, they are Predators on steroids. But that's what's in the script. We can just hope that they'll actually be portrayed differently in the movie and aren't as over the top as described in the script.
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 03:11:10 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 03:06:47 PM
This is from the script.
Quote"On Black. For the first time in its life, in some deep, dark
recess of its gene-spliced, enhanced heart, it knows fear."
Ah yeah... Now, I'm pretty sure that's the only time it's referenced and that's only in the action. I.E it'll never be mentioned by a character so the SPs will just be there and bigger etc with no explanation, so people can think whatever they feel best about...
Also, on the subject of Action Descriptions in the script... Some of it is pure awful, at times it feels like it's written by a ten year old...
Wrong, Noland says that everytime someone/thing kills a Predator they slice the thing open and research it, then they come back and their weapons have changed or the Predators themselves.
And of course the black blood pretty much indicates by default that they are mutants.
I guess it all comes down to how they end up looking, there was an article with a guy from the effects company saying the predators look very close to the original.... The thing with the 'Super Predators' is... How exactly could they physically have a predator that's bigger than the original? I mean the guys in those suits were pretty much the biggest guys you can find..
God damn it... Yeah I can see now that it's a big problem... That Noland line would work if he just said their weapons changed... but yeah if the predators physically change because of that, then it'll suck major ass... Having said that, I noticed that no one has actually been cast as Noland so maybe that character has changed or been removed?
I don't get how Nolan would know that, unless he got a front row seat while the Predators were slicing their latest victim open. And it would only be natural that from time to time different Predators with different weapons would be hunting there.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 03:24:46 PM
I don't get how Nolan would know that, unless he got a front row seat while the Predators were slicing their latest victim open. And it would only be natural that from time to time different Predators with different weapons would be hunting there.
I'd imagine that line is trying to show the audience that Noland has a lot of experience and knowledge about the situation he's been in for a long time... And different predators with different weapons makes perfect sense, but genetically engineered predators just makes me think of some sort of super soldier BS which doesn't have any place in the Predator universe IMO
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 03:24:46 PM
I don't get how Nolan would know that, unless he got a front row seat while the Predators were slicing their latest victim open. And it would only be natural that from time to time different Predators with different weapons would be hunting there.
He's there since the 60's or the 70's, i can imagine that he seen all that stuff he's talking about, and the scene is purely there for the audience to explain that these Predators are mutants.
You cant hide it, its in the movie, there is an explanation for it, and also the black blood.. everything indicates that these are mutants.
They don't want to hide it, quite the opposite, they want the audience to get the idea of mutant Predators. And they do so with the fist without lube.
If that's the script they end up shooting, which it isn't necessarily, then it's a Predator movie without Predators... If they lost the mutant reference, the red eyes and the black blood.. and just had them slightly bigger, armoured and armed differently and even maybe still had the exagerated mandibles and blades in the dreadlocks thing.. Then it would be ok...
I really want to know why they'd force mutant Predators onto us in the first place. Especially as it wouldn't matter in plot anyway. They'll still be hunting humans and they will still be outmatched as they'd be against a normal Predator. The threat level doesn't really rise by putting in a bigger badass version of an already badass creature.
Quote from: jordan on Nov 15, 2009, 12:13:14 PM
So is this the final draft?
We don't even know if it's legit, much less final... but since no one's yelling "fake"...
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 03:37:44 PM
I really want to know why they'd force mutant Predators onto us in the first place. Especially as it wouldn't matter in plot anyway. They'll still be hunting humans and they will still be outmatched as they'd be against a normal Predator. The threat level doesn't really rise by putting in a bigger badass version of an already badass creature.
Because it allows them to do whatever want by way of instant justification.
See: Chet.
QuoteIf that's the script they end up shooting, which it isn't necessarily, then it's a Predator movie without Predators...
Finally someone who understands what the hell is wrong with this script! THANKS!!
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 15, 2009, 03:38:23 PM
Quote from: jordan on Nov 15, 2009, 12:13:14 PM
So is this the final draft?
We don't even know if it's legit, much less final... but since no one's yelling "fake"...
I doubt it'a fake, it's using the same character names/descriptions, the set reports etc also comfirm parts of the script also it would take a long time to write a 90 page fake script. Also I'm sure if you compared the language used in the action descriptions to another RR script they would match up.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 15, 2009, 03:39:45 PM
QuoteIf that's the script they end up shooting, which it isn't necessarily, then it's a Predator movie without Predators...
Finally someone who understands what the hell is wrong with this script! THANKS!!
Well yeah that was my first thought when I finished reading it... The real kicker is.. It wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to actually fix it.. People just have to remember that the script is from July, I don't think they started shooting til September, that's plenty of time for changes...
Sure, but nevertheless, no one's stepped forward to confirm authenticity, and after reading it, I can certainly understand why.
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 03:43:07 PM
Well yeah that was my first thought when I finished reading it... The real kicker is.. It wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to actually fix it.. People just have to remember that the script is from July, I don't think they started shooting til September, that's plenty of time for changes...
It really wouldn't take a lot to fix them and have normal Predators. You keep the blood green, portray them as normal Predators instead of steroid freaks and maybe get rid of the 3 barreled chaingun plasma caster. That's all it takes.
Quote from: ptgreek on Nov 15, 2009, 06:38:35 AM
curious to read the Medieval script...I would like to see the writing style in it. I guess its hard to tell in Predators ..they came into a story already established and wrote based off that.
I can help you, I've read it, exact same style, exaggeratedly descriptive too. This draft is definitely legit, their writing is very distinctive. But the medieval's script is called a spec script no?
For Anderson I'm gonna close the subject, because I don't care about this guy, I'm already wasting my time, so I will only say this : being a director is not just about visuals, it's also about ideas, storytelling, directing his cast and so on, it's about every aspect of filmmaking. And talking about visuals, Anderson has really nothing special, his movies look very cliched. Sorry, I find no redeeming qualities to this guy, he's just a hack.
QuoteSure, but nevertheless, no one's stepped forward to confirm authenticity, and after reading it, I can certainly understand why.
But no one debunked it either.
QuoteWell yeah that was my first thought when I finished reading it... The real kicker is.. It wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to actually fix it.. People just have to remember that the script is from July, I don't think they started shooting til September, that's plenty of time for changes...
They wrote the script pretty fast, so i can imagine they would fix that problem in a couple of days.. but I'm just not too sure about that, Rodriguez wants to keep his ideas for the sake of it.. hence why we still end up with the crucified Predator. Which sucked ass in '94 and still does in '09, yet, he kept it in his script.
QuoteBut the medieval's script is called a spec script no?
yup.
QuoteBut no one debunked it either.
As already stated.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 15, 2009, 03:47:29 PM
QuoteSure, but nevertheless, no one's stepped forward to confirm authenticity, and after reading it, I can certainly understand why.
But no one debunked it either.
QuoteWell yeah that was my first thought when I finished reading it... The real kicker is.. It wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to actually fix it.. People just have to remember that the script is from July, I don't think they started shooting til September, that's plenty of time for changes...
They wrote the script pretty fast, so i can imagine they would fix that problem in a couple of days.. but I'm just not too sure about that, Rodriguez wants to keep his ideas for the sake of it.. hence why we still end up with the crucified Predator. Which sucked ass in '94 and still does in '09, yet, he kept it in his script.
Yeah for a 41 year old, there's a lot of immaturity in that script... Plus anyone who puts in the line "This is not your fathers Predator" Should be automatically punched in the face by everyone he meets from that day forth... As for the legitimacy of it... Just read the 1996 Predator script he wrote... Look at the scene headings, just as the Predators script, he never puts in the time of day, only the INT/EXT and the location...
Well I'd say, given that I read the Medieval script and I know their style of writing, RR has little to do with the Predators script. It has Litvak and Finch written all over it. That's why I think it's a first attempt, before even RR and Antal worked on it. Sure they kept the crucified thing and the location because they read the RR draft or RR told them he wanted to keep those elements, but that's about it. The date on the script confirm it, they get hired in May, so they wrote fast.
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 15, 2009, 03:54:20 PM
Well I'd say, given that I read the Medieval script and I know their style of writing, RR has little to do with this script. It has Litvak and Finch written all over it. That's why I think it's a first attempt, before even RR and Antal worked on it. Sure they kept the crucified thing and the location because they read the RR draft or RR told them he wanted to keep those elements, but that's about it. The date on the script confirm it, they get hired in May, so they wrote fast.
But the Predator script was written by RR and Litvak and Finch just did revisions on the script RR had already done... To me the style of writing in the medieval script on the new script are exactly the same
Yeah since it's supposed to be based on his old draft, hence the term revision. But frankly, I think they have just rewritten the whole thing.
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To me the style of writing in the medieval script on the new script are exactly the same
Yeah you just confirmed that it's mostly if not totally a Litvak and Finch script.
I really don't mind the crucified Predator. We have already seen how Predators act in other Movies. We've got the badasses, the rookies, some showing respect like the Elder, others just being waaaay to friendly like Scar. Seeing a crucified Predator makes you think. Why would they do that to their own? Did he mess up? Was he outcast? Did the others steal his hunting ground? You get the idea that you're dealing with Predators that are probably even more unfriendly. And who knew something like that'd be possible?
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 04:02:31 PM
I really don't mind the crucified Predator. We have already seen how Predators act in other Movies. We've got the badasses, the rookies, some showing respect like the Elder, others just being waaaay to friendly like Scar. Seeing a crucified Predator makes you think. Why would they do that to their own? Did he mess up? Was he outcast? Did the others steal his hunting ground? You get the idea that you're dealing with Predators that are probably even more unfriendly. And who knew something like that'd be possible?
I just think its one hell of a bad introduction to the main attraction of the movie, and to be frankly, i just cant imagine how that would look on screen besides being ridiculous.
And why crucified? Are they Christians? :D
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 15, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 04:02:31 PM
I really don't mind the crucified Predator. We have already seen how Predators act in other Movies. We've got the badasses, the rookies, some showing respect like the Elder, others just being waaaay to friendly like Scar. Seeing a crucified Predator makes you think. Why would they do that to their own? Did he mess up? Was he outcast? Did the others steal his hunting ground? You get the idea that you're dealing with Predators that are probably even more unfriendly. And who knew something like that'd be possible?
I just think its one hell of a bad introduction to the main attraction of the movie, and to be frankly, i just cant imagine how that would look on screen besides being ridiculous.
And why crucified? Are they Christians? :D
Funnily enough when I read the scene with the crucified predator I didn't think of him as being in the typical Jesus position... I thought of him being strung up by his arms and his feet.... So rather than looking like a cross he would look like an X... Which would make sense IMO
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 15, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
And why crucified? Are they Christians? :D
Romans. Ancient Romans rather. ;)
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 15, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
I just think its one hell of a bad introduction to the main attraction of the movie, and to be frankly, i just cant imagine how that would look on screen besides being ridiculous.
And why crucified? Are they Christians? :D
I think that's exactly why it's so interesting. You know you're watching the Movie for the Predators. Then you see the main characters walking into the camp and stumbling upon the crucified Predator. The audience would be like "The f**k? Isn't he supposed to hunt them? Who managed to hang the guy up there? And why?" And then they introduce the real twisted Predators (who hopefully have been turned into Bad Bloods).
As for the crucification, he wouldn't be on a cross. He'd be on a giant totem.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 15, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
I just think its one hell of a bad introduction to the main attraction of the movie, and to be frankly, i just cant imagine how that would look on screen besides being ridiculous.
And why crucified? Are they Christians? :D
I think that's exactly why it's so interesting. You know you're watching the Movie for the Predators. Then you see the main characters walking into the camp and stumbling upon the crucified Predator. The audience would be like "The f**k? Isn't he supposed to hunt them? Who managed to hang the guy up there? And why?" And then they introduce the real twisted Predators (who hopefully have been turned into Bad Bloods).
As for the crucification, he wouldn't be on a cross. He'd be on a giant totem.
I can't remember.. Have we seen anything of the BSP before they find the crucified predator? Because I can see how the scene of them finding the crucified predator could work... But when I read it, that thought never crossed my mind...
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 04:20:18 PM
I can't remember.. Have we seen anything of the BSP before they find the crucified predator? Because I can see how the scene of them finding the crucified predator could work... But when I read it, that thought never crossed my mind...
I'm sure in the script, the crucified Predator is the first time we see a Predator in the movie. All the other times, at most you see blurs, the Predator's POV and Isabelle being taunted after she killed Chuchillo. But the crucified Predator is the first one they actually lay eyes on.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 04:23:19 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 04:20:18 PM
I can't remember.. Have we seen anything of the BSP before they find the crucified predator? Because I can see how the scene of them finding the crucified predator could work... But when I read it, that thought never crossed my mind...
I'm sure in the script, the crucified Predator is the first time we see a Predator in the movie. All the other times, at most you see blurs, the Predators POV and Isabelle being taunted after she killed Chuchillo. But the crucified Predators is the first one they actually lay eyes on.
Yeah as the audience I think that's how it happens... I think the script makes mentioned of the BSP before that though, which probably took away some of the impact that the scene will have in the final film.... When the audience realise it's not a regular predator that's stalking these people....
I have to say, on the subject of cool shots/scenes... The idea of the Predator Falcon thing landing on the shoulder of the cloaked BSP could look realllllly cool if done right...
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 04:25:29 PM
Yeah as the audience I think that's how it happens... I think the script makes mentioned of the BSP before that though, which probably took away some of the impact that the scene will have in the final film....
I checked the script. They find the crucified Predator on page 32. The very first mention of the Super Predator is on page 38. So the whole time the audience would be expecting the normal Predator and then they find it crucified on the totem.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 04:25:29 PM
Yeah as the audience I think that's how it happens... I think the script makes mentioned of the BSP before that though, which probably took away some of the impact that the scene will have in the final film....
I checked the script. They find the crucified Predator on page 32. The very first mention of the Super Predator is on page 38. So the whole time the audience would be expecting the normal Predator and then they find it crucified on the totem.
Makes sense... I dunno why I never got that sense of surprise/confusion when they found the crucified Predator.. I guess for some reason I was under the impression that it wasn't a normal predator chasing them in the first place...
When I read it, I was hoping to see more of the kidnapping procedure other than bang and then we see them parachuting to the planet. I thought it be neat seeing the Predator throwing them into his ship, putting the chute pack on them, just something more. I think it be kinda neat when Nolan is talking to them about the predators we see some flash backs of his time there like a scene when somebody/thing kills a predator we see them dissecting it or something. I was like oh no when after all that time on the planet Nolan just got killed like that :( I hope Arnie doesn't do that totally stupid and wrong cameo. I think if it's done right the 3 barrel plasma cannon thing could work. Why couldn't it, they have advance technology, hope it sounds awesome ;D
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 15, 2009, 04:02:26 PM
Yeah since it's supposed to be based on his old draft, hence the term revision. But frankly, I think they have just rewritten the whole thing.
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To me the style of writing in the medieval script on the new script are exactly the same
Yeah you just confirmed that it's mostly if not totally a Litvak and Finch script.
Actually I misunderstood what you were talking about... See I haven't read the 1996 draft... I glanced at it a couple of times... I always assumed it was set back couple of hundred years ago... So when you said Medieval script I thought it was the 1996 draft of Predators you meant, not a completely different script... What I meant is, the language and style of the 1996 RR draft of Predators is the same as the 2009 Draft, showing that it was indeed written by RR and just tweaked by the other two
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 15, 2009, 03:07:33 AM
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Nov 15, 2009, 02:19:41 AM
Agreed. The franchises need to learn to once again stand on their own two (four?) feet.
I still believe that there is alot of potential in the AvP franchise.
-Rakai'Thwei
Well that's what
you think, Mista Delusional.
I mean there is, but the two films we got certainly didn't do any good.
No, I was talking about the other Litvak script called Medieval that got bought recently. I don't agree that this draft of Predators feels like the old draft from RR, it's clearly written by Litvak and Finch, same expressions and words, same way of describing the scenes, same references, same storytelling, etc. If you read this Medieval thing, you could clearly identify them here, their style is very distinctive and easy to recognize. it's a Litvak/Finch script all the way, RR didn't write a single word in this, or maybe one. RR is far more minimalist in his descriptions and he's more lazy when it comes to build up the action, and he can't resist to put a joke or two every pages.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 15, 2009, 07:03:05 PM
Well that's what you think, Mista Delusional.
There is potential, but they'll never be realized with a shoddy script, hack directors and miniature budgets.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Nov 15, 2009, 07:03:05 PM
Well that's what you think, Mista Delusional.
I mean there is, but the two films we got certainly didn't do any good.
I swear, you must love picking on me...
Seriously, my opinion is my opinion. You have yours. That hard for you to accept?
-Rakai'Thwei
Honestly, I'm not too worried about the SBP. According to the designers, they Predators are made to look the same as the original. I'm sure it won't be as ridiculous as it sounds.
The only thing I am worried about is CG. DAMN CG to hell! I seriously loath CG.
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 15, 2009, 10:46:13 PM
According to the designers, they Predators are made to look the same as the original.s.
According to Paul What Script Anderson - AVP would be the most awesome thing since Terminator 2.
According to Bros Strausse - AVP:R would be back to the roots, bringing badassery to the front door.
According to my mom - i am most intelligent person on the planet.
Just because someone says it, doesn't mean it's true...
Quote from: Dzuksi on Nov 15, 2009, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 15, 2009, 10:46:13 PM
According to the designers, they Predators are made to look the same as the original.s.
According to Paul What Script Anderson - AVP would be the most awesome thing since Terminator 2.
According to Bros Strausse - AVP:R would be back to the roots, bringing badassery to the front door.
According to my mom - i am most intelligent person on the planet.
Just because someone says it, doesn't mean it's true...
Good point. But I find it plausible seeing how there's many different Predator designs and they said they worked with Winston on Predator and designed it the same way.
What they said could easily be interpreted in many ways.
But it's still wont matter - they don't have power to change Predators behavior.....nor the might falcon (property of Power Rangers since 1992)
I'm just very anxious to see how this turns out.
That fighting sounds very damn entertaining. I just wish it was more along the lines of Predator hunting humans though. Then they add dog and falcon, and new kind of Predator.
The behaviour doesn't really matter. They strung another Predator to a Totem. So they are not your typical Predators.
For what's it worth it - the dogs are acceptable. They are not necessary, but they are acceptable.
Falcon is other thing - so far i hate it. His bound with predator is feeling so out of place. And the way Pred uses him - ridiculous if you ask me.
But why when you got movie with a name - Predators, not "Super Predators" - you have only one true pred, and why is that same pred humiliated in every scene in which he shows?
i won't even bother to go on BSP and his super friends...
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 15, 2009, 10:46:13 PM
Honestly, I'm not too worried about the SBP. According to the designers, they Predators are made to look the same as the original. I'm sure it won't be as ridiculous as it sounds.
The only thing I am worried about is CG. DAMN CG to hell! I seriously loath CG.
Yep, they said that... about Predator. Not about Black Super Predators. Prepare for the worst.
Quote from: Dzuksi on Nov 15, 2009, 11:04:42 PM
But why when you got movie with a name - Predators, not "Super Predators" - you have only one true pred, and why is that same pred humiliated in every scene in which he shows?
Same reason you'd have a movie called
Aliens and replace the Alien with intergalactic termites.
Everyone should just be thankful we're not getting the 1996 version...
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 11:10:41 PM
Everyone should just be thankful we're not getting the 1996 version...
Yeah, but that's like saying we should be glad we're getting herpes cos we're not getting AIDS.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 15, 2009, 11:09:55 PM
Same reason you'd have a movie called Aliens and replace the Alien with intergalactic termites.
Very true my friend. Only now we pred fans get to see, how you Giger/Ridley fans have been felt like.
But the queen was awesome on a side note. What we get? :(
Quote from: SiL on Nov 15, 2009, 11:13:00 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 11:10:41 PM
Everyone should just be thankful we're not getting the 1996 version...
Yeah, but that's like saying we should be glad we're getting herpes cos we're not getting AIDS.
Sil is on a humorous roll! He's made me chuckle twice recently!
Thanks for the good laughs, man!
-Rakai'Thwei
I don't get the deal with Aliens. You have different scenarios, so the Aliens also behave differently.
In the first Movie you've got a single Alien on a spaceship, taking on unarmed men and women. In Aliens you've got hundreds of them, with Marines blowing **** up. So naturally they'll behave more aggressive.
I can't comprehend Aliens being talked about in the same vein as this. Cameron in his element vs this. It just doesn't work despite how disappointed original fanboys might have been.
What worked for Aliens doesn't work for Predator. Simple as that.
But Rodriguez thinks otherwise.
Super Predators aren't really needed, never were, never have been. The script would've been ten times better had they written these Predators as bad bloods.
-Rakai'Thwei
I just don't see where the disrespect is that original Alien fans had to endure. I see a lot of complaints that the Aliens have been turned into cannon fodder. Well, no ****. Unlike the first Movie, these guys were armed Marines and not afraid to open fire, because they might cause a hull breach.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 15, 2009, 11:31:31 PM
What worked for Aliens doesn't work for Predator. Simple as that.
But Rodriguez thinks otherwise.
Super Predators aren't really needed, never were, never have been. The script would've been ten times better had they written these Predators as bad bloods.
-Rakai'Thwei
I aint up on the Predator universe like the rest of you.. My interest is in the movies alone, nothing else.... What are 'bad bloods'?
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 11:34:32 PM
I aint up on the Predator universe like the rest of you.. My interest is in the movies alone, nothing else.... What are 'bad bloods'?
Bad Bloods is a term used to describe Predators who kill everything and everyone without regaurds to the rules of the hunt. They even go around killing other Predators without a second thought. Pretty much, they're the psychotics of the Predator race who are to be killed on sight.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 15, 2009, 11:31:31 PM
What worked for Aliens doesn't work for Predator. Simple as that.
But Rodriguez thinks otherwise.
Super Predators aren't really needed, never were, never have been. The script would've been ten times better had they written these Predators as bad bloods.
-Rakai'Thwei
Bad Bloods is a one-stop fix for 80% of this scripts (Many) problems. Something that seriously bothers me about this movie is the lack of info. I remember seeing a Predator very early for AVP.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 11:32:24 PM
I just don't see where the disrespect is that original Alien fans had to endure. I see a lot of complaints that the Aliens have been turned into cannon fodder. Well, no ****. Unlike the first Movie, these guys were armed Marines and not afraid to open fire, because they might cause a hull breach.
I think its harder to grasp since most of us were too young pre-Aliens. Who knows what their fanboy circles were like in 1981 etc. Its harder to judge, the 80's hadn't really took flight. The excess we can easily swallow hadn't arrived for them.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 15, 2009, 11:36:01 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 15, 2009, 11:34:32 PM
I aint up on the Predator universe like the rest of you.. My interest is in the movies alone, nothing else.... What are 'bad bloods'?
Bad Bloods is a term used to describe Predators who kill everything and everyone without regaurds to the rules of the hunt. They even go around killing other Predators without a second thought. Pretty much, they're the psychotics of the Predator race who are to be killed on sight.
-Rakai'Thwei
What would really work here is this planet being a backwater planet with 3 outcasted Bad Bloods. Of course, since that'd be cool that means we're going to get the exact opposite.
Quote from: jordan on Nov 15, 2009, 11:38:28 PM
What would really work here is this planet being a backwater planet with 3 outcasted Bad Bloods. Of course, since that'd be cool that means we're going to get the exact opposite.
I feel the same way!
-Rakai'Thwei
For anyone who wants to read the script and the link didnt work, i've uploaded it again here:
http://uploading.com/files/5bc8m177/PREDATORS%2Bby%2BMike%2BFinch%2Band%2BAlex%2BLitvak.pdf/ (http://uploading.com/files/5bc8m177/PREDATORS%2Bby%2BMike%2BFinch%2Band%2BAlex%2BLitvak.pdf/)
Just click on free download.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 11:22:39 PM
I don't get the deal with Aliens. You have different scenarios, so the Aliens also behave differently.
In the first Movie you've got a single Alien on a spaceship, taking on unarmed men and women. In Aliens you've got hundreds of them, with Marines blowing **** up. So naturally they'll behave more aggressive.
Let me clear it up for you.
Downgraded antagonists who act like f**king retards and die at the drop of a hat as directed by whim of the helmer rather than any sense of cinematic or natural event progression, artificially bolstered by a freak with automagical boss monster capabilities cause the director/writer f**king said so, and no regard or respect for the concept which made the antagonists awesome in the first place. Now which script am I describing?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 15, 2009, 11:43:19 PM
Quote from: jordan on Nov 15, 2009, 11:38:28 PM
What would really work here is this planet being a backwater planet with 3 outcasted Bad Bloods. Of course, since that'd be cool that means we're going to get the exact opposite.
I feel the same way!
-Rakai'Thwei
That would just cause too many problems. If this would be a planet for Predator outcasts, why'd they keep sending Prey to the Planet? And what would the other Predator be doing there?
Quote from: Dzuksi on Nov 15, 2009, 11:15:29 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 15, 2009, 11:09:55 PM
Same reason you'd have a movie called Aliens and replace the Alien with intergalactic termites.
Very true my friend. Only now we pred fans get to see, how you Giger/Ridley fans have been felt like.
But the queen was awesome on a side note. What we get? :(
Dolomite Predator with slappin bitches action.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 15, 2009, 11:46:28 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 11:22:39 PM
I don't get the deal with Aliens. You have different scenarios, so the Aliens also behave differently.
In the first Movie you've got a single Alien on a spaceship, taking on unarmed men and women. In Aliens you've got hundreds of them, with Marines blowing **** up. So naturally they'll behave more aggressive.
Let me clear it up for you.
Downgraded antagonists who act like f**king retards and die at the drop of a hat as directed by whim of the helmer rather than any sense of cinematic or natural event progression, artificially bolstered by a freak with automagical boss monster capabilities cause the director/writer f**king said so, and no regard or respect for the concept which made the antagonists awesome in the first place. Now which script am I describing?
Predators?
Aliens also can be interpret that way
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 15, 2009, 11:43:19 PM
Quote from: jordan on Nov 15, 2009, 11:38:28 PM
What would really work here is this planet being a backwater planet with 3 outcasted Bad Bloods. Of course, since that'd be cool that means we're going to get the exact opposite.
I feel the same way!
-Rakai'Thwei
That would just cause too many problems. If this would be a planet for Predator outcasts, why'd they keep sending Prey to the Planet? And what would the other Predator be doing there?
Easy to fill those gaps in. Its too late anyway. All we can do now is wait for more horrible tidbits. That fat prick Knowles is so far up RR's ass that a) He'll get first dibs on any reveals and b) Regardless of quality he'll jerk off all over it. The guy never shuts up about RR. Even reading some Mad Max news there recently, he just had to mention that he discussed it with RR.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 15, 2009, 11:48:46 PM
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 15, 2009, 11:46:28 PM
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 15, 2009, 11:22:39 PM
I don't get the deal with Aliens. You have different scenarios, so the Aliens also behave differently.
In the first Movie you've got a single Alien on a spaceship, taking on unarmed men and women. In Aliens you've got hundreds of them, with Marines blowing **** up. So naturally they'll behave more aggressive.
Let me clear it up for you.
Downgraded antagonists who act like f**king retards and die at the drop of a hat as directed by whim of the helmer rather than any sense of cinematic or natural event progression, artificially bolstered by a freak with automagical boss monster capabilities cause the director/writer f**king said so, and no regard or respect for the concept which made the antagonists awesome in the first place. Now which script am I describing?
Predators?
/Cry.
So are you saying that Aliens is a bad sequel? Am I really hearing that?
i never said that....but i do understand, that's how some people look at it
And that's probably how some people are stupid.
The same could be said the other way.
Accept crap, and guess what you get from then on.
Quote from: Pinkman on Nov 16, 2009, 12:40:29 AM
And that's probably how some people are stupid.
Stupid? Nah.
Able to understand what made the first flick so great? Yuuup.
So let's get clear, what do you think of Aliens ? I'm just curious.
Seriously? Aliens, crap?
What are the odds that the 'bullets vs bullets' scene is done in, sigh - bullet time? I really gotta check out this Nimrod guys work. I hope he's a sober director.
Alien and Aliens can both be considered great. Not one or the other. And they are. They are both great. They compliment each other very well.
Some fans of the Alien consider ALIENS to have presented the creature as weaker than the first (third and fourth) film(s) implied.
You know I was thinking of this chaingun plasma cannon that one of the super predators uses and it would make sense for him to have that kind of cannon since it's obviously the chaingun was given to the character Nikolai for a reason. The Super Predators would create something that could match such a weapon and make it useless. It sounds ridiculous I know.
Still makes the SuperPreds cheaters in my book. :P
Quote from: jordan on Nov 16, 2009, 01:11:45 AM
What are the odds that the 'bullets vs bullets' scene is done in, sigh - bullet time? I really gotta check out this Nimrod guys work. I hope he's a sober director.
Well let's check Kontroll, you'll see, there's no gratuitous effect at all, same can be said about Vacancy. No slow motion, no bulshitt effects, just great cinematography and a good sense of editing, mixed with inspired framing. Yeah I think we can call him a sober director because he is definitely, as sober as you can get in the business.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 15, 2009, 11:45:10 PM
For anyone who wants to read the script and the link didnt work, i've uploaded it again here:
http://uploading.com/files/5bc8m177/PREDATORS%2Bby%2BMike%2BFinch%2Band%2BAlex%2BLitvak.pdf/ (http://uploading.com/files/5bc8m177/PREDATORS%2Bby%2BMike%2BFinch%2Band%2BAlex%2BLitvak.pdf/)
Just click on free download.
Gives me the same error as before - File is corrupted and cannot be opened.
For me it works good. Everything OK. :)
It's been a few days now and still no denial or excuses coming out, something doesn't smell right here.
I mean the Script just hits the net, AVP galaxy throws it up for download and nobody says jack about the leak?
This is not normal. ???
I just wait and see. Maybe they`ll make some changes to most ridiculous parts of this film and It`ll be watchable and enjoyable. But after AvP-r I highly doubt it.
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 16, 2009, 09:37:22 AM
It's been a few days now and still no denial or excuses coming out, something doesn't smell right here.
I mean the Script just hits the net, AVP galaxy throws it up for download and nobody says jack about the leak?
This is not normal. ???
Maybe they just don`t give a damn about it. One fan site get hands on their script, no big deal really.
Would you really wanna say it's your script? Given the reaction?
I'd just stay quiet.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 16, 2009, 03:26:39 AM
Some fans of the Alien consider ALIENS to have presented the creature as weaker than the first (third and fourth) film(s) implied.
I can never understand this complaint. The first Alien took out unarmed men and women and couldn't be harmed because of the risk to cause a hull breach. Of course the Alien will appear a lot more deadly. There's no one there to oppose him. Now in Aliens, everything plays out on a Planet and you've got Marines running around that use bullets with exploding tips. Anything will look weak against exploding bullets.
Quote from: Aeus on Nov 16, 2009, 09:40:30 AM
Would you really wanna say it's your script? Given the reaction?
I'd just stay quiet.
Like the kid with crumbs on his mouth say's he did'nt eat the chips?! I mean come on, RR is'nt surfing AVP galaxy writing out the BSP from the script is he.
I would have thought there would have been at least athe standard one liner studio comment somewhere, anywhere...
Like someone else mentioned earlier, I think all this silence is pointing towards CGI'ed 'Super' Predators. The dogs sound definitely CGI.
i think its part cgi/part actor - i assume certain movements that RR has planned for the BSP can not be pulled off by a human actor. Which is fair enough imo.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 16, 2009, 09:51:22 AM
I can never understand this complaint. The first Alien took out unarmed men and women and couldn't be harmed because of the risk to cause a hull breach. Of course the Alien will appear a lot more deadly. There's no one there to oppose him. Now in Aliens, everything plays out on a Planet and you've got Marines running around that use bullets with exploding tips. Anything will look weak against exploding bullets.
I can't understand the complaint myself, since
ALIENS paints them as powerful in
spite of being against well-armed opponents.
Not just that, but also smart. A space ant wouldn't know how to cut the power.
Ants are very f**king smart within their own context. CamerAliens are only smart when the directors needs Cameron's Tension Enhancer Editing Cantrip +5.
Do they do the smart thing again, when they should? No.
Do they show the ability to act independent of the circumstance, ya know like an Alien might? No.
All this supposed contextual awesomeness and theyr'e sitting around with their thumbs in their tails while the AP explodes directly over them.
CamerAliens were literally as "smart" as the script literally dictated .
You seem to be quite angry about Aliens, but what did the first Alien do that special other than killing off helpless civilians one at a time?
Quote from: SiL on Nov 16, 2009, 08:16:08 AM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Nov 15, 2009, 11:45:10 PM
For anyone who wants to read the script and the link didnt work, i've uploaded it again here:
http://uploading.com/files/5bc8m177/PREDATORS%2Bby%2BMike%2BFinch%2Band%2BAlex%2BLitvak.pdf/ (http://uploading.com/files/5bc8m177/PREDATORS%2Bby%2BMike%2BFinch%2Band%2BAlex%2BLitvak.pdf/)
Just click on free download.
Gives me the same error as before - File is corrupted and cannot be opened.
Strange, i downloaded it again just to see if it works and everything is fine.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 16, 2009, 01:38:50 PM
You seem to be quite angry about Aliens, but what did the first Alien do that special other than killing off helpless civilians one at a time?
This isn't the thread for this argument, and there's LOTS of threads for this argument. It seems to come up once a month or so...
Quote from: SiL on Nov 16, 2009, 08:16:08 AM
Gives me the same error as before - File is corrupted and cannot be opened.
Sil, and everyone having the same issue: file is correct, i had the same error message, updating acrobat reader to 9.0 or higher will solve the problem.
or you could use foxit.
Hi
I read the first 10 pages and as a moviemaker and director I can already say that this script is full of cliché, a lack of inspiration and is composed of major rip-offs.
The first scene is a cliche on its own, the dark alley, the dog, the man in the shadow. Then Royce throwing the burning match and turning away while the stuff explodes. Well, Ever saw Xmen origines Wolverine? Same scene when Logan makes the chopper explode. Expect a big slow motion when the guy is burning in the alley in this Predators movie.
The good part is that you expect a Predator but it really is just a man, Royce. The point of the scene is interesting but the way the scene is written lacks innovation.
Shure the thing with Royce sudenly falling with the chute will look great on screen (but still I doubt they will create convincing CGI. It would be easyer, more cheap and more convincing to do it in real life). But the major drag is the way the charachters are introduced to each other. It is a copy paste of the Saw movies or even older movies like The Cube. People wake up at an unknown place, they tell about what the last thing was they did before waking up and not even five minutes later they are all friends and trust each other and try to escape the danger.
I call this psychological incredibility, especially from military or people who are used to batlefields and danger. It would be insane to trust ennybody. The surrending people can all be part of that event that put you there in the first place. Trust can only be earned but only after a resonable amount of time and people did actions that prove they are your friends. Even then it can still be risky.
To overthrow that major time-taking event (but in reality it is that part that is the most interesting on human psychology and should be worked out) in this script, they throw it overboard and by destroing the idea of the consept "unknown men in the same situation facing a great threat", they rush through the script by usiung cliché to get faster to the action parts.
If there is no humanity revealed or any psychological question asked you get nowhere. You have underdeveloped charachters and you will get a lack of interest in the story by the audiance. Because a good story can only properly be told by involving charachters you care about in actions they undertake and the way they react to their environement. This should be written in a original way that is unique to every charachter.
I scincerely come to doubt the real human knowledge writers have, it seems to me that humanity more and more gets censored by buisness man who tries to dictates their own vision. But trust me, this movie will not be better than AVP or even more recently Terminator Salvation. >:(
Long live good movies ;)
Samuel Faict
Shortfilms: www.youtube.com/fapsamup
Get over yourself... Seriously... It's a Predator movie, not some oscar worthy drama... Stop looking for humanity in the script and characters... The selling point of Predator movies is not the real and deep personalities of the characters... It's the Predators... Plain and simple... you can try and be all deep and meaningful if you want but the fact is... It's a popcorn flick... Something people go to for a bit of fun and excitement... Compare it to the first Predator film which is considered by most to be a classic.. yeah you'll come across the same problems... There aint a whole lot of character there...
Quote from: Leumas on Nov 16, 2009, 08:51:38 PM
Hi
I read the first 10 pages and as a moviemaker and director I can already say that this script is full of cliché, a lack of inspiration and is composed of major rip-offs.
The first scene is a cliche on its own, the dark alley, the dog, the man in the shadow. Then Royce throwing the burning match and turning away while the stuff explodes. Well, Ever saw Xmen origines Wolverine? Same scene when Logan makes the chopper explode. Expect a big slow motion when the guy is burning in the alley in this Predators movie.
The good part is that you expect a Predator but it really is just a man, Royce. The point of the scene is interesting but the way the scene is written lacks innovation.
Shure the thing with Royce sudenly falling with the chute will look great on screen (but still I doubt they will create convincing CGI. It would be easyer, more cheap and more convincing to do it in real life). But the major drag is the way the charachters are introduced to each other. It is a copy paste of the Saw movies or even older movies like The Cube. People wake up at an unknown place, they tell about what the last thing was they did before waking up and not even five minutes later they are all friends and trust each other and try to escape the danger.
I call this psychological incredibility, especially from military or people who are used to batlefields and danger. It would be insane to trust ennybody. The surrending people can all be part of that event that put you there in the first place. Trust can only be earned but only after a resonable amount of time and people did actions that prove they are your friends. Even then it can still be risky.
To overthrow that major time-taking event (but in reality it is that part that is the most interesting on human psychology and should be worked out) in this script, they throw it overboard and by destroing the idea of the consept "unknown men in the same situation facing a great threat", they rush through the script by usiung cliché to get faster to the action parts.
If there is no humanity revealed or any psychological question asked you get nowhere. You have underdeveloped charachters and you will get a lack of interest in the story by the audiance. Because a good story can only properly be told by involving charachters you care about in actions they undertake and the way they react to their environement. This should be written in a original way that is unique to every charachter.
I scincerely come to doubt the real human knowledge writers have, it seems to me that humanity more and more gets censored by buisness man who tries to dictates their own vision. But trust me, this movie will not be better than AVP or even more recently Terminator Salvation. >:(
Long live good movies ;)
Samuel Faict
Shortfilms: www.youtube.com/fapsamup
Hell of a first post man. Made some good points.
Welcome to AVPGalaxy by the way. Be sure to introduce yourself here. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=2.0) :)
Leumas! Great recapitulation . :) Predator was maybe a popcorn movie, but it's not mean that next movies must be stupid at all.
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 16, 2009, 09:40:37 PM
Leumas! Great recapitulation . :) Predator was maybe a popcorn movie, but it's not mean that next movies must be stupid at all.
Out of all the problems the script has, characterisation is WAAAAYYYYYYYYY down on the list....
This script has many problems, too many for me. ???
BTW don't shout, please... ;)
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 16, 2009, 09:47:01 PM
This script has many problems, too many for me. ???
BTW don't shout, please... ;)
Oh there's no doubt the script has plenty of problems, but this is the first time I've seen someone complain about the characters.. Especially after only reading 10 pages... The post just seems very pretentious to me...
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 09:49:26 PM
Oh there's no doubt the script has plenty of problems, but this is the first time I've seen someone complain about the characters.. Especially after only reading 10 pages... The post just seems very pretentious to me...
For me - not. I don't have problems with it.
Psychological probability of behaviour it's very important question in every movie. And I don't want next Predator movie as another B-class popcorn flick. :-\
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 16, 2009, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 09:49:26 PM
Oh there's no doubt the script has plenty of problems, but this is the first time I've seen someone complain about the characters.. Especially after only reading 10 pages... The post just seems very pretentious to me...
For me - not. I don't have problems with it.
Psychological probability of behaviour it's very important question in every movie. And I don't want next Predator movie as another B-class popcorn flick. :-\
Unfortunately that's exactly what we're gonna get. Rodriguez never set out to make this movie some sort of masterpiece. He's got a title that will sell tickets so he's having his way with the Predator mythos. From reading the script it's easy to tell this is a movie centred on action, not characters. The stars are the Predators and it was never really going to be any different in this day and age.
I'd say after being attacked by alien dogs and finding a camp that looks like hell on earth and immediately after being attacked by something invisible, trust among the group ain't an issue anymore.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 16, 2009, 10:00:03 PM
I'd say after being attack by alien dogs and finding a camp that looks like hell on earth and immediately after being attacked by something invisible, trust among the group ain't an issue anymore.
but you'd have to read more than 10 pages to figure that out... People really shouldn't base their opinion on a fraction of a script
Scripts that aren't written by commission are judged on the strength of their first few pages.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 16, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
Scripts that aren't written by commission are judged on the strength of their first few pages.
Well all anyone has to do is look at RR's first Predators draft to know he's not one for starting out well... Strangely I can't find anything else he's written about the place... Would be interesting to see them, doesn't seem like the strongest script writer ever.
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 09:58:47 PM
From reading the script it's easy to tell this is a movie centred on action, not characters. The stars are the Predators and it was never really going to be any different in this day and age.
I can't see it. How stars? How Predators? Yes, it's rhetorical question. :-\ There are limits of being stupid in movie, even for RR, I hope.
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 10:01:10 PM
but you'd have to read more than 10 pages to figure that out... People really shouldn't base their opinion on a fraction of a script
Sometimes it's enough. I can't wait what he will write, when he'll read all script.
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 16, 2009, 10:09:53 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 09:58:47 PM
From reading the script it's easy to tell this is a movie centred on action, not characters. The stars are the Predators and it was never really going to be any different in this day and age.
I can't see it. How stars? How Predators? Yes, it's rhetorical question. :-\ There are limits of being stupid in movie, even for RR, I hope.
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 10:01:10 PM
but you'd have to read more than 10 pages to figure that out... People really shouldn't base their opinion on a fraction of a script
Sometimes it's enough. I can't wait what he will write, when he'll read all script.
I don't think 10 pages is enough for a Predator script... The movies are all about building suspense....
As for the limits of being stupid in a movie.. Just go read RR's first draft...
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 10:11:16 PM
As for the limits of being stupid in a movie.. Just go read RR's first draft...
I did, really I did... Please... ;D
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 16, 2009, 10:14:28 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 10:11:16 PM
As for the limits of being stupid in a movie.. Just go read RR's first draft...
I did, really I did... Please... ;D
That just shows how bad a movie we could have gotten... But I can't say two noobs are a step up from RR... I guess they just wanted to save as much budget as they could for shooting the movie...
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 09:58:47 PM
The stars are the Predators and it was never really going to be any different in this day and age.
They're not Predators. At all, if you ask me whatsoever.
In my opinion, Rodriguez doesn't get the franchise, nor does he really get the character at all.
Rodriguez thinks that just because something is cool, that it's going to be right. Infact, it's quite the opposite. Just because something is cool doesn't make it right. Does any of the stuff in the script work? Not necessarily so. Especially these Tokusatsu bastardizations which are called Super Predators.
People have pointed out these Super Predators don't behave like Predators at all whatsoever. And not to mention there are some serious flaws in them such as the black blood and the idea that there are two races of Predators. Since when did Predators need to mutate to win? It's uneeded and it doesn't work. Things would work if they were renamed as Bad Bloods and it'd make much more sense.
But, considering this is a project from a guy who gets his film ideas from his kids, this is pretty much expected. After all, he wants it to be "Super f**kin' cool" according to his interview at Comic-Con.
Fans, expect the worst but hope for the best.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 16, 2009, 10:16:01 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 09:58:47 PM
The stars are the Predators and it was never really going to be any different in this day and age.
They're not Predators. At all, if you ask me whatsoever.
In my opinion, Rodriguez doesn't get the franchise, nor does he really get the character at all.
Rodriguez thinks that just because something is cool, that it's going to be right. Infact, it's quite the opposite. Just because something is cool doesn't make it right. Does any of the stuff in the script work? Not necessarily so. Especially these Tokusatsu bastardizations which are called Super Predators.
People have pointed out these Super Predators don't behave like Predators at all whatsoever. And not to mention there are some serious flaws in them such as the black blood and the idea that there are two races of Predators. Since when did Predators need to mutate to win? It's uneeded and it doesn't work. Things would work if they were renamed as Bad Bloods and it'd make much more sense.
But, considering this is a project from a guy who gets his film ideas from his kids, this is pretty much expected. After all, he wants it to be "Super f**kin' cool" according to his interview at Comic-Con.
Fans, expect the worst but hope for the best.
-Rakai'Thwei
When I said the Predators are the stars.. I meant they're the attraction in a Predator movie... I wasn't saying that the 'things' in RR's 09 script are Predators...
But you're right in what you say, he's doing stuff cause he thinks it's cool. It's total self gratification
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 16, 2009, 10:16:01 PM
Fans, expect the worst but hope for the best.
-Rakai'Thwei
It's the best what we can do. I totally agree.
And pray.
And restrain emotions.
I still have never-dying hope, it'll be good movie. Maybe I'm stupid and naive but I still have hope. :-\
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 16, 2009, 10:24:43 PM
It's the best what we can do. I totally agree.
And pray.
And restrain emotions.
I still have never-dying hope, it'll be good movie. Maybe I'm stupid and naive but I still have hope. :-\
I had written a letter to Troublemaker Studios in hopes of writing to Rodriguez, and I sent TWO of the same letters to both his offices at Troublemaker in Texas. I got one letter back sent... UNOPENED and UNRESPONDED. It's clear that Robert is not willing to listen to the fans, nor does he give a flying shit. And thats the sad part.
But I don't blame the optimisim of some fans, but me... I'm the skeptic and pessimist. But I won't ruin your hopes. It's wrong of me to do.
I want to have some hope to but so far... that hope of flickering like a burning candle ready to go out.
-Rakai'Thwei
QuoteIf there is no humanity revealed or any psychological question asked you get nowhere. You have underdeveloped charachters and you will get a lack of interest in the story by the audiance.
Predator never was overflowing with humanity or developed characters and it did just fine.
QuoteI got one letter back sent... UNOPENED and UNRESPONDED. It's clear that Robert is not willing to listen to the fans, nor does he give a flying shit. And thats the sad part.
If I were making a movie in a franchise I'd be trying to cater to a wide audience in order for the financiers to get a good return on their investment rather than wasting time with half-arsed fanboy ideas.
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2009, 10:46:16 PM
If I were making a movie in a franchise I'd be trying to cater to a wide audience in order for the financiers to get a good return on their investment rather than wasting time with half-arsed fanboy ideas.
My letter never contained any ideas. It only addressed concerns from the fans.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2009, 10:46:16 PM
QuoteIf there is no humanity revealed or any psychological question asked you get nowhere. You have underdeveloped charachters and you will get a lack of interest in the story by the audiance.
Predator never was overflowing with humanity or developed characters and it did just fine.
QuoteI got one letter back sent... UNOPENED and UNRESPONDED. It's clear that Robert is not willing to listen to the fans, nor does he give a flying shit. And thats the sad part.
If I were making a movie in a franchise I'd be trying to cater to a wide audience in order for the financiers to get a good return on their investment rather than wasting time with half-arsed fanboy ideas.
Well siad... I saw it with the Transformers movies as well... The fan boys hated a lot of the stuff that was going on.. but at the end of the day it's a business and movie makers and the studios generally want to have the widest possible audience open to them
When a director would actually bother to read every letter he gets send from fanboys, he'd never get to work again. So yeah, I can't blame him for not bothering.
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 16, 2009, 10:48:14 PM
Well siad... I saw it with the Transformers movies as well... The fan boys hated a lot of the stuff that was going on.. but at the end of the day it's a business and movie makers and the studios generally want to have the widest possible audience open to them
I know that. Everyone knows that. You don't have to be a genius to figure it out.
In the end, the Moguls get richer and fatter with each picture released. And it's all about the money in the end. No franchise is exempt from this.
-Rakai'Thwei
For me a good movie is a well established concept where every frame or squared cm(inch) refers to that concept: In the way it is written, in the choice of actors, in the way it is shot and lighten, in the use of music or soundscapes... and undertakes a step on unknown territory in the way it is told.
The artist is literally the servant of its artwork and should bare that in mind all the time. Ego, who is the worst enemy of art, may never come first. The term "cool" has become so common use that it is dificult to know the connotation the user is giving to it. It is just a vague reflection of what the user is feeling and thinking.
People who use "cool" in the movie buiseness are most of the time people who make movies by following their ego and like RakaiThwei siad the result is often something that doesn't work. Directors who are artists to me (in the classic way of moviemaking) are Ridley Scott and James Cameron. They made their movies by blocking the term "cool" whenever it poped up in their mind. That makes them masters just by knowing precisely what works and what doesn't in the concept they establish.
Why is everyone saying the Preds should be renamed as Bad Bloods? Just pretend they are, simple as that.
James Cameron? :D
He's a showman first and foremost and an artist distant second. He's all about spectacle.
QuoteMy letter never contained any ideas. It only addressed concerns from the fans.
Same thing, more or less. It was a waste of time for the guy making the movie and therefore a waste of yours.
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
James Cameron? :D
He's a showman first and foremost and an artist distant second. He's all about spectacle.
QuoteMy letter never contained any ideas. It only addressed concerns from the fans.
Same thing, more or less. It was a waste of time for the guy making the movie and therefore a waste of yours.
James Cameron did a great job with Aliens, Terminator 1 and 2. The Charachter development and psychology is the central point, the action is a reflection of that inner state and central theme.
Quote from: Sylizar on Nov 16, 2009, 10:57:00 PM
Why is everyone saying the Preds should be renamed as Bad Bloods? Just pretend they are, simple as that.
Bad Bloods are just the society's psychos though. Super Predators, as described in the script, are genetic freaks and practically Predators on steroids, with black blood and even uglier faces than normal.
Simply pretending they are Bad Bloods wouldn't do it. They need to keep their regular green blood and be regular Predators, to get rid of any genetic enhancement connection in the script.
QuoteJames Cameron did a great job with Aliens, Terminator 1 and 2. The Charachter development and psychology is the central point, the action is a reflection of that inner state and central theme.
No real arguments from me there - but I'd rate an arseload more directors higher up the scale in terms of "art" than Jimbob. I find with most of his characters, what you see is was you get, and they don't bear lots of scrutiny and return visits.
QuoteBad Bloods are just the society's psychos though. Super Predators, as described in the script, are genetic freaks and practically Predators on steroids, with black blood and even uglier faces than normal.
So? The colour 'black' is often equated with 'bad'. So their blood is literally 'bad'. Problem solved.
Predator blood is f**kin' luminous green. Just like Alien blood is acidic.
Don't mess around with shit that doesn't need to be changed.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 16, 2009, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on Nov 16, 2009, 10:57:00 PM
Why is everyone saying the Preds should be renamed as Bad Bloods? Just pretend they are, simple as that.
Bad Bloods are just the society's psychos though. Super Predators, as described in the script, are genetic freaks and practically Predators on steroids, with black blood and even uglier faces than normal.
Sounds way too much like Rodriguez stole some concepts from Akira Toriyama's DBZ with the Saiyan and Legendary Super Saiyan concept. LSSJs are considered abnormalities within the Saiyan race and were killed off when given the chance.
Super Predators are abnormalities and according to the script, and some analysis from the fans-- it's implied that Super Predators are often killed off when given the chance and with good reason.
Still Super Predators don't work.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2009, 11:11:46 PM
So? The colour 'black' is often equated with 'bad'. So their blood is literally 'bad'. Problem solved.
It isn't literally supposed to be "bad" as in genetic tempering. And then there's still the fact that they are Predators on steroids. Which is completely redundant as a regular Predator already beats the **** out of a human.
But as detailed in the dialogue (and two films already) - Predators don't always win.
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2009, 11:18:00 PM
But as detailed in the dialogue (and two films already) - Predators don't always win.
So that gives them an excuse to panic and upgrade into something which they shouldn't become?
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2009, 11:18:00 PM
But as detailed in the dialogue (and two films already) - Predators don't always win.
Neither do the Super Predators. So your point? Instead of simply upping the physical threat level and giving them equipment that could level the rain forrest in form of a 3 barreled Chaingun Plasma Caster, how about making the Predators really cunning and ruthless?
QuoteNeither do the Super Predators. So your point?
Erm... You asked me why Predators roid up. My point is bleeding obvious. Rakai got it.
QuoteSo that gives them an excuse to panic and upgrade into something which they shouldn't become?
Hardly panicking. We're given the impression that they've upgraded bits and pieces over the last 40 or so years.
Predator fans complain that the Predators are all individuals; and yet here we see some actually breaking away from the mainstream Predators that we know (ie. the dude nailed to the pole) and there's bitching and moaning.
There's simply too many fans with differing views to form a consensus, so fans 'concerns' should be ignored in favour of the vision of the guy with the money and camera. If it fails, it fails. It's just a movie.
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2009, 11:32:40 PM
QuoteNeither do the Super Predators. So your point?
Erm... You asked me why Predators roid up. My point is bleeding obvious. Rakai got it.
Which is pretty moronic. In both Movies the Predators didn't lose because their prey was a physical threat to them and kicked them all over the place. Predators are already naturally strong enough that they can rip a human's spine out with their bare hands. When they got beat, it's because they were careless or got outsmarted. So instead of roiding up, they should be learning not to underestimate their prey and simply be the better hunters.
QuoteErm... You asked me why Predators roid up. My point is bleeding obvious. Rakai got it.
That made me chuckle with warmness in my heart.
QuoteHardly panicking. We're given the impression that they've upgraded bits and pieces over the last 40 or so years.
Predator fans complain that the Predators are all individuals; and yet here we see some actually breaking away from the mainstream Predators that we know (ie. the dude nailed to the pole) and there's bitching and moaning.
There's simply too many fans with differing views to form a consensus, so fans 'concerns' should be ignored in favour of the vision of the guy with the money and camera. If it fails, it fails. It's just a movie.
I am all for Predators being individuals. I am all for Predators belonging to different clans with different ethics and belief in the hunt. I'm all for that.
But Super Predators don't work. At all. No if's ands or buts about it-- and the sad thing is, we may have to endure more of this stuff in two more movies since apparently, Brody signed on for sequels. And thats just something I don't want to see.. Sequels to a movie which already has bad concepts to it. Who wants to see a sequel of a movie which happens to be the raping of a franchise by a guy who gets his ideas from his kids?
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: Leumas on Nov 16, 2009, 08:51:38 PM
Hi
I read the first 10 pages and as a moviemaker and director I can already say that this script is full of cliché, a lack of inspiration and is composed of major rip-offs.
The first scene is a cliche on its own, the dark alley, the dog, the man in the shadow. Then Royce throwing the burning match and turning away while the stuff explodes. Well, Ever saw Xmen origines Wolverine? Same scene when Logan makes the chopper explode. Expect a big slow motion when the guy is burning in the alley in this Predators movie.
The good part is that you expect a Predator but it really is just a man, Royce. The point of the scene is interesting but the way the scene is written lacks innovation.
Shure the thing with Royce sudenly falling with the chute will look great on screen (but still I doubt they will create convincing CGI. It would be easyer, more cheap and more convincing to do it in real life). But the major drag is the way the charachters are introduced to each other. It is a copy paste of the Saw movies or even older movies like The Cube. People wake up at an unknown place, they tell about what the last thing was they did before waking up and not even five minutes later they are all friends and trust each other and try to escape the danger.
I call this psychological incredibility, especially from military or people who are used to batlefields and danger. It would be insane to trust ennybody. The surrending people can all be part of that event that put you there in the first place. Trust can only be earned but only after a resonable amount of time and people did actions that prove they are your friends. Even then it can still be risky.
To overthrow that major time-taking event (but in reality it is that part that is the most interesting on human psychology and should be worked out) in this script, they throw it overboard and by destroing the idea of the consept "unknown men in the same situation facing a great threat", they rush through the script by usiung cliché to get faster to the action parts.
If there is no humanity revealed or any psychological question asked you get nowhere. You have underdeveloped charachters and you will get a lack of interest in the story by the audiance. Because a good story can only properly be told by involving charachters you care about in actions they undertake and the way they react to their environement. This should be written in a original way that is unique to every charachter.
I scincerely come to doubt the real human knowledge writers have, it seems to me that humanity more and more gets censored by buisness man who tries to dictates their own vision. But trust me, this movie will not be better than AVP or even more recently Terminator Salvation. >:(
Long live good movies ;)
Samuel Faict
Shortfilms: www.youtube.com/fapsamup
Well the first sequence is there to suck you in the movie the more efficiently possible, it has been done before sure, but the introduction to Royce is pretty good, and it's not like they are overstretching it. Judging characters developpement after 10 pages ? Who are you kidding there ? This script has more character developpement than the first predator -oups it hurts but it's true you should read it a little more further if you want to argue with that -, unless you consider one liners like "I ain't got time to bleed" to be the quintessence of characterization. The characters are dealing with more human issues and the action has often an impact on them. For a genre picture, that's all you should ask for, Predator isn't really a drama picture.
I undestand better the blame for the predators descriptions, but ultimately, we'd have to judge that on screen. I'm willing to give them a chance.
QuoteBut Super Predators don't work. At all. No if's ands or buts about it--
Well there are "ifs" seeing as the film isn't actually even finished. I'm dubious of the concept (BIGGER! STRONGER!!) - but not being a Predator fan, I don't really care how it turns out, so I'm looking at it more from a punter's point of view. If it was Alien it'd be a different story - like if they tried to replace Aliens with Newborns. Except they didn't - Newborn was a one off that was born and then died in 10 minutes; not a whole film.
QuoteBrody signed on for sequels
So did Sanaa Lathan. Doesn't mean anything.
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2009, 11:54:48 PM
So did Sanaa Lathan. Doesn't mean anything.
You missed my point. My point being that we have to endure two more movies with the bullcrap Rodriguez will be squeezing out and calling it "cool" just cause he thinks it's cool.
-Rakai'Thwei
No, I didn't miss your point. AvP made a decent profit - but they didn't get Anderson or Lathan back. If Predators makes good money but gets crappy reviews (like AvP), they could very make a new one with a different production team.
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2009, 11:32:40 PM
QuoteNeither do the Super Predators. So your point?
Erm... You asked me why Predators roid up. My point is bleeding obvious. Rakai got it.
QuoteSo that gives them an excuse to panic and upgrade into something which they shouldn't become?
There's simply too many fans with differing views to form a consensus, so fans 'concerns' should be ignored in favour of the vision of the guy with the money and camera. If it fails, it fails. It's just a movie.
Yeah, this, pretty much.
I'm actually one of the few that think this might be a good little action flick. I have not read the script yet, but it sounds like it has some original idea's and half decent set pieces.
When Predator came out , most critics slammed it for the very reasons us fans now like it.
I'm all for change, even if it includes changes to the creatures.
Quote from: Leumas on Nov 16, 2009, 11:05:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 16, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
James Cameron? :D
He's a showman first and foremost and an artist distant second. He's all about spectacle.
QuoteMy letter never contained any ideas. It only addressed concerns from the fans.
Same thing, more or less. It was a waste of time for the guy making the movie and therefore a waste of yours.
James Cameron did a great job with Aliens, Terminator 1 and 2. The Charachter development and psychology is the central point, the action is a reflection of that inner state and central theme.
Ha ..I keep thinking about an episode of Entourage when Cameron was asked about the metaphors in "Titanic" ..he responded with, "actually, I just wanted to make young girls cry"
SM's got it right.
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 17, 2009, 12:48:01 AM
I'm actually one of the few that think this might be a good little action flick. I have not read the script yet, but it sounds like it has some original idea's
I'm all for change, even if it includes changes to the creatures.
No, I'd say its split 50/50. I too like the script, I think there's tons of potential. I also think people are jumping the gun when it comes to the Super Black Preds.... Just wait when the first pic of the SBP comes out and it looks f**king amazing, people are gonna have to eat their words.
Or it'll look even more shithouse than the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) and they'll say "Told you so".
True but unlikely...
Why unlikely?
I dunno how anyone could make any assessment at this point.
...
Sorry - you meant unlikely it'll be worse than the PredAlien (may it name be forever cursed). Yes THAT is unlikely. ;D
Yes there is no way in hell it can look worse than Chet. Theres just NO WAY. I really think they're gonna get it right this time. Plus this time its the same people that made the first predator. No hackjob ADI bullshit.
Quote from: Hybrid PM on Nov 17, 2009, 03:38:17 AM
Yes there is no way in hell it can look worse than Chet. Theres just NO WAY. I really think they're gonna get it right this time. Plus this time its the same people that made the first predator. No hackjob ADI bullshit.
There not 'THE' People, Stan Winston Studios did the first two original predators. A few of these guys happened to work in the shop helping create the predator suit ;)
Quote from: Uncanny Psycho on Nov 17, 2009, 04:31:26 AM
There not 'THE' People, Stan Winston Studios did the first two original predators. A few of these guys happened to work in the shop helping create the predator suit ;)
Yeah, and lets not forget to remind the people who are all "DEATH TO ADI" that Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr. were at one point with Stan Winston studios before they seperated to form ADI and they worked on both ALIENS and PREDATOR.
Just cause someone claims to work with Stan, doesn't mean they're going to get the same results. No one does it as good as Stan. And thats a fact of life.
-Rakai'Thwei
And some of Winston's guys went on to create ADI.
EDIT - Rakai beat me to it.
All good points except Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff Jr. didn't work on the original predator. Howard Berger and Greg Nicotero from KNB did.
Finally reading this.
36 pages in. It doesn't grab me. It reads more like someone telling you about their idea than a script. I can barely tell characters apart, there's no sense of pace, the action sounds dull.
Continuing ...
well, i just watched Kontroll and Vacancy... Don't know about you guys but i very much enjoyed both films. I have faith Antal can pull this off..... only worry is we dont really know how much this guy knows about Predators themselves.
Just finished it.
Whoever likened it to a fan script was exactly write. Not terrible, just ... eh.
Quote from: Uncanny Psycho on Nov 17, 2009, 07:00:41 AM
well, i just watched Kontroll and Vacancy... Don't know about you guys but i very much enjoyed both films. I have faith Antal can pull this off..... only worry is we dont really know how much this guy knows about Predators themselves.
I don't like Vacancy. It was boring movie. Boring horror-movie it's something terrible. :-\
Kontrol was ok.
I don't think that Antal is so big and clever director to make decisive changes in this script. I doubt he is able to make it better than it is.
Quote from: SMAvP made a decent profit - but they didn't get Anderson or Lathan back. If Predators makes good money but gets crappy reviews (like AvP), they could very make a new one with a different production team.
So they changed production team after AVP and we have AVP2 in effect. :'(
Yes, it's great consolation and reason to hope... ;)
Quote from: SiL on Nov 17, 2009, 07:52:18 AM
Just finished it.
Whoever likened it to a fan script was exactly write. Not terrible, just ... eh.
To be honest I think this was the script used to pitch the revised story idea to the RR and the studio. Like you said earlier, the script reads like someone is telling you their idea!!
I am confident, that the script that they are using now to film will be different however the story structure will be essentially the same.
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 17, 2009, 08:22:50 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Psycho on Nov 17, 2009, 07:00:41 AM
well, i just watched Kontroll and Vacancy... Don't know about you guys but i very much enjoyed both films. I have faith Antal can pull this off..... only worry is we dont really know how much this guy knows about Predators themselves.
I don't like Vacancy. It was boring movie. Boring horror-movie it's something terrible. :-\
Kontrol was ok.
I don't think that Antal is so big and clever director to make decisive changes in this script. I doubt he is able to make it better than it is.
Quote from: SMAvP made a decent profit - but they didn't get Anderson or Lathan back. If Predators makes good money but gets crappy reviews (like AvP), they could very make a new one with a different production team.
So they changed production team after AVP and we have AVP2 in effect. :'(
Yes, it's great consolation and reason to hope... ;)
Vacancy was not boring in anyway for me, i was always hanging on too my chairs arms. Kontroll was visually done great, great directing.... the cinematography was great :) it boosted hopes for the movie.... like i said, if he knows how to handle them predators as they should be... movie wont fail.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 17, 2009, 07:52:18 AM
Just finished it.
Whoever likened it to a fan script was exactly write. Not terrible, just ... eh.
OK writing style, solid concept, total fail at getting what the previous endeavors were about.
"Apparently they saw a Predator once."
my main gripe with the script was the Predators treatment. I'm not sold, based on this script, that new preds are any better. I say - make it two "super" predators(SP), one normal pred(NP). ditch that dumb-f**k katana death, it's rather insulting. make SP somehow survive the grenade explosion(remember - SUPER!!), but only to be stabbed by NP in a hand-to-hand combat later in the movie. then
BSP kills wounded normal pred, Royce hardly kills BSP. the end.
Quote from: one_ugly_mf on Nov 17, 2009, 09:52:10 AM
my main gripe with the script was the Predators treatment. I'm not sold, based on this script, that new preds are any better. I say - make it two "super" predators(SP), one normal pred(NP). ditch that dumb-f**k katana death, it's rather insulting. make SP somehow survive the grenade explosion(remember - SUPER!!), but only to be stabbed by NP in a hand-to-hand combat later in the movie. then
BSP kills wounded normal pred, Royce hardly kills BSP. the end.
either way, as long as I dont see a Predator fighting side by side with a human I'm happy.
BSP can wound the NP. BSP then fights Royce but NP takes BSP by suprise and kills it. Then NP fights Royce, Royce by some stroke of luck (like in P1 and P2) defeats NP. The end.
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 17, 2009, 10:00:13 AM
Quote from: one_ugly_mf on Nov 17, 2009, 09:52:10 AM
my main gripe with the script was the Predators treatment. I'm not sold, based on this script, that new preds are any better. I say - make it two "super" predators(SP), one normal pred(NP). ditch that dumb-f**k katana death, it's rather insulting. make SP somehow survive the grenade explosion(remember - SUPER!!), but only to be stabbed by NP in a hand-to-hand combat later in the movie. then
BSP kills wounded normal pred, Royce hardly kills BSP. the end.
either way, as long as I dont see a Predator fighting side by side with a human I'm happy.
BSP can wound the NP. BSP then fights Royce but NP takes BSP by suprise and kills it. Then NP fights Royce, Royce by some stroke of luck (like in P1 and P2) defeats NP. The end.
No Preds fighting side by side with humans
No Preds giving humans gifts
YES to Preds wanting to kill humans and rip their skulls out
The only respect a Pred should give humans is whether it decides to fight you unarmed or use you as target practice. If it fights you unarmed then consider your self worthy but it still wants to rip your head off and wear your spinal cord as a belt!! If by some stroke of luck you defeat a Predator dont expect a f*cking gift from another Predator, expect another fight cos your now worthy and your skull is worth 10x more then it did yesterday!!
Man, you're really deadset against the slightest, remotely, vague hint that a Predator might not be 100% vile and death incarnate. What ever reason would the normal Predator have to go up against Royce? We know they hunt for sport and after being cut down by Royce, adding another human skull to his Trophy case is the last thing he'd have on his mind. Showing signs of respect or not immediately ripping someone's spine out, doesn't turn them into friendly Carebears.
The only Predator that ever pissed me off was Scar, because they just made him way too friendly. But in this script, you have nothing of that sort. You have a Predator quickly repaying his debt and then minding his own business. He wasn't equipping Royce with with weapons and made him his tag team partner. He spared his life because he helped him.
Predators are individuals. They aren't drones like the Xenomorphs who pretty much only have one purpose, exctinct any nearby life.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 17, 2009, 10:22:42 AM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Nov 17, 2009, 10:00:13 AM
Quote from: one_ugly_mf on Nov 17, 2009, 09:52:10 AM
my main gripe with the script was the Predators treatment. I'm not sold, based on this script, that new preds are any better. I say - make it two "super" predators(SP), one normal pred(NP). ditch that dumb-f**k katana death, it's rather insulting. make SP somehow survive the grenade explosion(remember - SUPER!!), but only to be stabbed by NP in a hand-to-hand combat later in the movie. then
BSP kills wounded normal pred, Royce hardly kills BSP. the end.
either way, as long as I dont see a Predator fighting side by side with a human I'm happy.
BSP can wound the NP. BSP then fights Royce but NP takes BSP by suprise and kills it. Then NP fights Royce, Royce by some stroke of luck (like in P1 and P2) defeats NP. The end.
No Preds fighting side by side with humans
No Preds giving humans gifts
YES to Preds wanting to kill humans and rip their skulls out
The only respect a Pred should give humans is whether it decides to fight you unarmed or use you as target practice. If it fights you unarmed then consider your self worthy but it still wants to rip your head off and wear your spinal cord as a belt!! If by some stroke of luck you defeat a Predator dont expect a f*cking gift from another Predator, expect another fight cos your now worthy and your skull is worth 10x more then it did yesterday!!
Man, you're really deadset against the slightest, remotely, vague hint that a Predator might not be 100% vile and death incarnate. What ever reason would the normal Predator have to go up against Royce? We know they hunt for sport and after being cut down by Royce, adding another human skull to his Trophy case is the last thing he'd have on his mind. Showing signs of respect or not immediately ripping someone's spine out, doesn't turn them into friendly Carebears.
The only Predator that ever pissed me off was Scar, because they just made him way too friendly. But in this script, you have nothing of that sort. You have a Predator quickly repaying his debt and then minding his own business. He wasn't equipping Royce with with weapons and made him his tag team partner. He spared his life because he helped him.
Predators are individuals. They aren't drones like the Xenomorphs who pretty much only have one purpose, exctinct any nearby life.
I just like seeing bad ass humans fight predators thats all!
The hairs on the back of my neck still stand up when ever I watch the climatic battle between Dutch and Anytime in the original movie.
Ok, the NP fighting Royce would be silly. However, I dont want to see them tag up as some have suggested!! I would rather have the BSP kill the NP and then Royce defeat the BSP (as in the script).
About BSP deaths:
1. Head blown off by crazy Russian, with lots of explosive? Fine to me, no Predator would survive it.
2. Double kill, with katana swordsman? Depends how it`s done, although it surely is interesting.
3. Main BSP killed by Royce with axe putting really no fight? This not should be improved, more drama should be added.
About whole script, I think it is not that bad. Things that were discused many times, like black blood, strange plasma caster or idiotic Duch ending should be changed. With those things changed I think it will watchable and enjoyable.
And SM: Hardly there is a possibility for such horrible design as AvP-r`s Predalien. Nearly every thing in this bastard was bad, I doubt someone can pull it off again ( shivers).
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 17, 2009, 09:48:15 AM
OK writing style, solid concept, total fail at getting what the previous endeavors were about.
I wouldn't be so kind as to say the writing style was OK. Given it failed to make me want to see the movie I wouldn't even call it functional.
Agree about the second two points, though.
Quote from: Master on Nov 17, 2009, 10:38:38 AM
2. Double kill, with katana swordsman? Depends how it`s done, although it surely is interesting.
I'd change that to decapitation. I think it'd be a little difficult to cut a Predator from shoulder to hip, especially if there's any armor in the way.
Quote3. Main BSP killed by Royce with axe putting really no fight? This not should be improved, more drama should be added.
I like how it was written, it was another case of outsmarting the Predator and using everything he had learned to his advantage. At first the Predator was fighting mostly blind and relied on sound and after getting stabbed in the neck, Royce had enough time to run away and hide behind carcasses, allowing him to ambush the Predator.
But maybe the Predator could've done more than immediately activating his self-destruct after hitting the ground.
I`d rather make BSP more wounded after fight with regular pred, and then make one on one fight between him and Royce. A bit similar to the final fight between Harrigan and Pussyface.
Quote from: Master on Nov 17, 2009, 11:34:46 AM
I`d rather make BSP more wounded after fight with regular pred, and then make one on one fight between him and Royce. A bit similar to the final fight between Harrigan and Pussyface.
was the BSP not slightly wounded prior to the fight with Royce? Dont remember the script that well now.
Quote from: Master on Nov 17, 2009, 11:34:46 AM
I`d rather make BSP more wounded after fight with regular pred, and then make one on one fight between him and Royce. A bit similar to the final fight between Harrigan and Pussyface.
Ultimately, I'd give the regular Predator another comeback after reading this line,
"Predator -- fully armed, fully armored, a warrior restored to his former glory --", I hate how they dispose of him by having his spine ripped out. It's enough that we have to endure the mutant Predators for the majority of the movie, throw the fans a bone and have the regular Predator kill the BSP, before ultimately succumbing to his wounds.
i have not lookt at the script yet but i gotta say out from peoples comments xD i actully like the idea of super black predators and as you all call it mutant pred vs normal pred ( how more bad ass could it be)
and then for the cast and characters they do actully sound pretty good in my book
i think this movie will be great and im really looking forward to it.
no real story, almost all action...
not only do we have a super predator, it's also black, and it's blood is also black..
what is it with people and doing reboots and so forth... the people who made alien3, alien4, avp1, and avp2 have clearly not studied the franchise much, and decided, hey i wanna put my own take on this movie...
besides that... i really like the human characters, really badass, and i can't wait to see the cast in motion...
This script references the first film - ergo it's not a reboot.
Can the Predator live for once?
And make this a good movie and spin a few sequels off this Predator?
Make a bad-ass likeable main Predator.
The Predator is the new Ripley type of deal.
Yes, let's make this into a full-fledged flasher franchise. Why not.
really, what the hell is the problem with black blood? really? i can't believe this is even an issue.
It's the black blood combined with fact that they describe them as Predators on steroids, looking like Super Shredder, with even uglier and deformed faces and a 3 barreled chaingun Plasma caster that makes it look like they are going to war and not simply hunting.
They cant be any worse than AVP preds, i mean you can't really make a bigger costume without turning the predator into the blob. I'm sure they will be balanced. Just different.
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 18, 2009, 12:34:19 PM
They cant be any worse than AVP preds, i mean you can't really make a bigger costume without turning the predator into the blob. I'm sure they will be balanced. Just different.
ya we havent even seem them yet at least wait and jugde when the picture of them gets released me i think its a bad ass idea and i got nothing against the black blood i think it sounds cool a diffrend predator come on thats bad ass !
QuoteThey cant be any worse than AVP preds
They can:
Think Predator gone terribly wrong, a mutated version, no nose, oversized mandibles, red eyes.Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 18, 2009, 12:21:00 PM
really, what the hell is the problem with black blood? really? i can't believe this is even an issue.
Because Predator blood is luminescence green, not pitch black. (How creative)
There is your damn issue. Simple as that.
naaah....
black blood with the hounds was ok,
and with preds, it seem to me is only a typing mistake....
they'll make it right.....
Don`t be so sure. None believed that Predalien would impregnate someone by mouth.
Quote"Predator -- fully armed, fully armored, a warrior restored to his former glory --"
One part of the script has the Predator crucified and near death, covered in wounds. Then after its turned loose its got this description. What, did he feed it his spinach?
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 18, 2009, 12:21:00 PM
really, what the hell is the problem with black blood? really? i can't believe this is even an issue.
You're no fan of the Predator series, no fan at all.
Quote from: Ultrapredator on Nov 18, 2009, 04:04:01 PM
Quote from: highlandpred on Nov 18, 2009, 12:21:00 PM
really, what the hell is the problem with black blood? really? i can't believe this is even an issue.
You're no fan of the Predator series, no fan at all.
to be honest I dont give a dam about the black blood either and I'm a Predator fan.
as long as the film is good, plenty of action, tension ect ect... I'm happy!
Quote from: Master on Nov 18, 2009, 03:21:14 PM
Don`t be so sure. None believed that Predalien would impregnate someone by mouth.
...nooo..goddammitttt......why must you remind me of that....
since I consider cannon only movies, somehow runner is acceptible, newborn is thank god anomaly ,and...
predalien...
...it's a sin even to think about....
Pretty awesome that FOX always makes new creators and licensees stick to certain crtieria that they HAVE to follow no matter what, but then you always get this crap and AvP:R style skullf**kery.
Boggles the mind.
QuoteYes, let's make this into a full-fledged flasher franchise. Why not.
Considering Predators reproduce orally, and Predators whip their masks off at the end of every film - isn't it already a flasher franchise?
Quote from: SM on Nov 18, 2009, 11:43:24 PM
Considering Predators reproduce orally
Even if that was stated explicitly, (which it isn't) are we really going to take AvPR as evidence of what Aliens and Predators 'really' do? ;)
Leaving it to FOX? Yes.
QuoteEven if that was stated explicitly, (which it isn't) are we really going to take AvPR as evidence of what Aliens and Predators 'really' do?
For as long as it annoys Predator fans. ;D
That only worked until AvPR came out.
There isn't a way to reconcile the AVP films with the two franchises that spawned the idea, so I don't care how the PredAlien's biology figures into the big picture. It was a MacGuffin, deus ex machina, and antagonist- in other words, whatever the script wanted it to be. Logic isn't a factor in this.
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2009, 06:08:59 AM
For as long as it annoys Predator fans.
Gotcha. :)
Quote from: SM on Nov 18, 2009, 11:43:24 PM
Considering Predators reproduce orally, and Predators whip their masks off at the end of every film - isn't it already a flasher franchise?
You failed to read the "f" as a ye olde timey "s"! Shame on you!
"I
fay, this
flasher is quite the piece of shit!"
*fhit
Hey...
Agreed that the script has its "really ???" moments!! but ..which movie doesn't its the way the director handles it...hollywood made matrix believable!!!!
Something just popped into my head. The Predator has been stripped to a Totem. Later in the script it rains acid. Sooo.... see where I'm going with this?
He needs an umbrella. Acid-resistant, of course. ;)
Not the first and not the last inconsistency in this script... :-\
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 19, 2009, 01:13:23 PM
Something just popped into my head. The Predator has been stripped to a Totem. Later in the script it rains acid. Sooo.... see where I'm going with this?
Oh, not
thif fhit...
I wonder how much of their Prey got wasted by the Planet's rainfall in the past.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 19, 2009, 01:31:36 PM
I wonder how much of their Prey got wasted by the Planet's rainfall in the past.
None. They leave their prey in the rain and wait to dissolve soft tissue. Nothing to clean... ;)
Fast and easy... ;)
Rod really beats the audience over the head with his "we're the real predators" analogy. No subtly whatsoever. As for the folks arguing that Predators wouldn't splice up like like shit was Rapture ... you really can't make that call.
In fact, I'd say you're absolutely wrong. These guys are Bad Bloods. The whole point of being Bad Blood is that you're bucking the rules. You shoot civilians. You eat babies. You cheat. If these particular Bad Bloods wanna mutate themselves to be even Badder Bloods, I don't see how that's out of character.
Also, I think they are Bad Blood. And not only me. Many people said the same. ;)
But the fact that they are Bad Blood, it's just our speculation. Nobody said it clearly. This is not described in the scenario. If somebody reads books and comics - knows. But if do not?
Do not panic. Reduce emotions. It is not the final version of the script. Give them time. ;)
My favorite part is with the Monarch butterfly.
Can you just imagine these mutie Preds having that conversation?
"Guys, hold on, hold on. This whole thing seems pretty harsh. Acid Rain. Brutally hot climate. Us ..."
"Yeah, I see where you're going with this and I have the perfect answer. Guys: butterflies."
Accid rain is shitty idea. Just like butterfly. Just like black blood (which is really a kick into balls for hardcore predator fans). Just like chaingun PC. ::)
Quote from: Master on Nov 20, 2009, 07:23:14 PM
Accid rain is shitty idea. Just like butterfly. Just like black blood (which is really a kick into balls for hardcore predator fans). Just like chaingun PC. ::)
Black blood sure isn't as cool as the glowing green kind ... but, a kick in the balls? I mean, Rod just wants to show the audience these aren't normal Predators and fair enough, I say. It's just ... well, blood. If he was trying to peddle regular Predators as havin' the stuff, then yeah, I think there'd be grounds for pissing on.
Quote from: Ijapa on Nov 20, 2009, 05:10:44 PM
Rod really beats the audience over the head with his "we're the real predators" analogy. No subtly whatsoever. As for the folks arguing that Predators wouldn't splice up like like shit was Rapture ... you really can't make that call.
In fact, I'd say you're absolutely wrong. These guys are Bad Bloods. The whole point of being Bad Blood is that you're bucking the rules. You shoot civilians. You eat babies. You cheat. If these particular Bad Bloods wanna mutate themselves to be even Badder Bloods, I don't see how that's out of character.
well said!
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 20, 2009, 05:27:17 PM
Also, I think they are Bad Blood. And not only me. Many people said the same. ;)
...Except Rodriguez probably has no idea about the "bad bloods" or any other idea from the comics or novels.
He did his own shit,not really giving a care.
Seeing as how the Normal Pred in the movie has green blood, I don't see the problem. Diffrent Preds, ones who we may never see again after this movie.
Quote from: XenoVC on Nov 20, 2009, 07:46:57 PM
...Except Rodriguez probably has no idea about the "bad bloods" or any other idea from the comics or novels.
He did his own shit,not really giving a care.
I've got strange feeling that RR has absolutely no idea about Bad Blood, books, comics etc. He has no idea for Predator.
Oh, no, I'm wrong.... He has his own ideas, absolutely disparaging every canon. :-\
Some kind of
licentia poetica... ;)
I hope he dosen`t use any ideas from comics or books. And his BSP are essentially Bad Bloods, so no big deal.
Quote from: Ijapa on Nov 20, 2009, 07:33:08 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 20, 2009, 07:23:14 PM
Accid rain is shitty idea. Just like butterfly. Just like black blood (which is really a kick into balls for hardcore predator fans). Just like chaingun PC. ::)
Black blood sure isn't as cool as the glowing green kind ... but, a kick in the balls? I mean, Rod just wants to show the audience these aren't normal Predators and fair enough, I say. It's just ... well, blood. If he was trying to peddle regular Predators as havin' the stuff, then yeah, I think there'd be grounds for pissing on.
Well, yeah it is kick to the balls. Imagine Alien bleeding strawberry juice insted of molecular acid. Get the picture?
Quote...Except Rodriguez probably has no idea about the "bad bloods" or any other idea from the comics or novels.
Not necessarily a bad thing.
hi all,
just moved over from another Predator fansite and been trawling through all 50+ pages.
some interesting points, some i agree w/, some i don't.
for me, the script is just totally flawed. there are gaping plot hole, inconsistencies, and again the whole practice of a "fan" of something coming in and changing it radically.
some of the action worked well. most of it didn't. the whole idea of Predators using other animals to hunt makes no sense to me as regards their hunting ethics. the whole point was to find dangerous prey and pit yourself against them : finding deadly prey and using a pack of fk-off Predadog creatures to rip them apart doesn't make sense to me. what would have worked for me is if the group were suddenly attacked by indigenous dogs and the Preds actually saved them, and they gradually realise that it's not out of mercy, it's out of not wanting their fun spoilt :-D
everyone else has covered the chaingun stuff pretty much, and the acid rain etc etc.
this whole "Bad Blood" concept seems to have taken off of its own accord. Far as i recalled it referred to a one off Psychopred in the comics, a kinda dreadlocked Mickey Knox perhaps, and didn't infer that there was a whole group/race w/ that sort of tendancies. if there was, why wouldn't they all turn on each other, if they were that psychotic?
the whole BSP thing is stupid. A human beats you, so you slice him up? huh? how is an autopsy going to reveal the spirit of a person, their heart and will to fight? their ingenuity or their martial arts experience? If i spliced genes w/ Jackie Chan, it wouldn't make me a kung fu master, would it?
To the above. They probably find nothing out about humans, they might just think they're learning about something, and then splice themselves up.
Quote from: Master on Nov 20, 2009, 10:05:59 PM
Well, yeah it is kick to the balls. Imagine Alien bleeding strawberry juice insted of molecular acid. Get the picture?
No. Because strawberry juice pouring out of an Alien isn't the same as black blood oozing out of a wounded
mutant Predator.
Quote from: wolfie138 on Nov 21, 2009, 11:06:33 AM
for me, the script is just totally flawed. there are gaping plot hole, inconsistencies, and again the whole practice of a "fan" of something coming in and changing it radically.
some of the action worked well. most of it didn't. the whole idea of Predators using other animals to hunt makes no sense to me as regards their hunting ethics. the whole point was to find dangerous prey and pit yourself against them : finding deadly prey and using a pack of fk-off Predadog creatures to rip them apart doesn't make sense to me. what would have worked for me is if the group were suddenly attacked by indigenous dogs and the Preds actually saved them, and they gradually realise that it's not out of mercy, it's out of not wanting their fun spoilt :-D
everyone else has covered the chaingun stuff pretty much, and the acid rain etc etc.
this whole "Bad Blood" concept seems to have taken off of its own accord. Far as i recalled it referred to a one off Psychopred in the comics, a kinda dreadlocked Mickey Knox perhaps, and didn't infer that there was a whole group/race w/ that sort of tendancies. if there was, why wouldn't they all turn on each other, if they were that psychotic?
Bad Blood has come to mean a Predator is a criminal or black sheep type. Anyhoo, just like humans use dogs and outrageously overpowered weapons versus dreaded ... deer, I don't see how these mutie Preds don't compare.
"Anyhoo, just like humans use dogs and outrageously overpowered weapons versus dreaded ... deer, I don't see how these mutie Preds don't compare."
exactly. humans can use dogs to flush games birds that you then have to shoot ~ fine. they can also use a pack of hounds to chase down a fox ~ where's the honour in that? there isn't any, which is why i can't imagine Preds - trophy seekers - would even think about it.
Quote from: wolfie138 on Nov 22, 2009, 09:20:39 AM
where's the honour in that? there isn't any, which is why i can't imagine Preds - trophy seekers - would even think about it.
Yeah, no human being has ever taken a trophy after using dogs to aid in a hunt. ???
And even then, Predator honor as a strict set of rules as opposed to a loose idea is a product of the EU. The new film really has no reason to be bound by that.
Well...it was definitely an improvement over RRs original, that much is certain. It retained some of the better elements like hunting planet and Pred on Pred, but unfortunately...the BSPs...why? Really...why? Okay...so they're mutated apparently. I don't see that conveying in the film very well so it'll throw off casual fans.
It'd be way better if they just had normal Predators and modified the Pred scenes.
Hopefully the suit design of the BSP isn't as over the top as we're all fearing. If for no other reason than I hate that lame 'bigger is better' mentality that f**ked up AvP. (Triple-headed plasmacaster? Dubble-ya tee-eff?)
Quote from: wolfie138 on Nov 22, 2009, 09:20:39 AM
"Anyhoo, just like humans use dogs and outrageously overpowered weapons versus dreaded ... deer, I don't see how these mutie Preds don't compare."
exactly. humans can use dogs to flush games birds that you then have to shoot ~ fine. they can also use a pack of hounds to chase down a fox ~ where's the honour in that? there isn't any, which is why i can't imagine Preds - trophy seekers - would even think about it.
Because these are Bad Bloods. They're liars and cheaters. Even amongst other Preds Bad Bloods are bad guys. More than that, they're the douchebags of the Predator world. Just like we might scoff at a hunter that killed a lion with five or six of his pals shooting at it with hunting rifles, but he thinks he's a badass. MORE, more than that ... Predator's are a friggin' race. They are an entire race. You've got humans who wear sheets and live in dark Taiwanese temples meditating and humans whose job it is to kill other humans. You have black humans, white humans. You've got humans who speak English and humans who speak French.
... Predators shouldn't be one thing either. You're trying to pigeonhole an entire race into one instance of a Predator out hunting Arnold Swarchmahdghger in 1989.
"Because these are Bad Bloods."
that's an assumption positted by board members. AFAIK, the only Bad Blood(s) represented were psychotic, thre was never any mention of all this gene splicing cack.
the blacks are simply a product of RR's imagination to try and make HIS Predator better than all that have come before. end of.
Quote from: wolfie138 on Nov 22, 2009, 06:10:40 PM
"Because these are Bad Bloods."
that's an assumption positted by board members. AFAIK, the only Bad Blood(s) represented were psychotic, thre was never any mention of all this gene splicing cack.
the blacks are simply a product of RR's imagination to try and make HIS Predator better than all that have come before. end of.
Like I told you, Bad Blood has evolved as a term. Either way, if you don't want to call them Bad Bloods, you don't have to.
They're still
individuals.
Very dissapointed in the script and the scene with Dutch is just laughable. I hope Arnie doesn't agree to do it. Surely to god there were better scripts sent to fox than this crap? >:(
QuoteQuoteWell, yeah it is kick to the balls. Imagine Alien bleeding strawberry juice insted of molecular acid. Get the picture?
No. Because strawberry juice pouring out of an Alien isn't the same as black blood oozing out of a wounded mutant Predator.
From predator`s fan point of view it is exactly thesame.
Quote
... Predators shouldn't be one thing either. You're trying to pigeonhole an entire race into one instance of a Predator out hunting Arnold Swarchmahdghger in 1989.
Well, we want them to differ, but some things are really unnecessary. (do we really need a black blood and minigun pc? Is it going to add anything more than confuse among people?)
Quote from: Master on Nov 23, 2009, 08:43:32 AM
From predator`s fan point of view it is exactly thesame.
As a Predator fan I can tell you I don't feel that way. This is a mutant Predator. It's not a regular Predator. There's even a regular green blood-bleeding Predator in the script.
Quote
Well, we want them to differ, but some things are really unnecessary. (do we really need a black blood and minigun pc? Is it going to add anything more than confuse among people?)
The black blood is really killing you. :P
I don't think anyone worth not confusing will be confused. Mostly, I think people just love the classic Predator and want to see it, not something this drastically different. Full steam ahead, I say. Classic Predator is still in the movie anyway.
I realize I'm seriously late to this party, but I've been AWOL since AVP: Requiem showed up and disappointed the world. So let's see here...
- I actually prefer the "Arnold cameo" ending and hope that they get him aboard, even though it has some stupid ideas to it. Why? Two reasons.
Spoiler
1) Dutch being a Predator leader is kinda stupid and random, but the thing with Isabelle having some kind of alien possession inside of her that makes her flip out and kill someone, which is NEVER EXPLAINED, is far MORE stupid and random. So I'll take the Dutch ending.
2) You get to actually see more REGULAR Predators in that one, too. Another bonus.
Chances are we'll get stuck with the other ending though.
So getting testicular cancer and having them removed which makes you avoid getting an STD is better...
mmmm... nah.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 23, 2009, 08:39:30 PM
So getting testicular cancer and having them removed which makes you avoid getting an STD is better...
mmmm... nah.
Well that certainly made absolutely no sense. Cheers.
Another reaction: I don't really care for the "Black Super Predator" concept, but it's not the worst thing I've ever seen done to the franchise. I mean, there have been worse events in many of the silly tie-in novels and comics. And I certainly don't get the issue over the black blood. Let his blood be dyed black; hell, I once drank so much Gatorade as a kid that my blood got tinted orange. Shit happens. I'm more concerned about the overall stupidity and lack of necessity inherent to "A bigger, tougher, badder Predator!" It's especially unnecessary given that we're talking about a movie that's trying to appeal to the larger "summer movie" audience, yet really, how many of those people have even WATCHED a Predator movie these days? The entire thing is going to be new to most of the audience, because modern filmgoers are too busy with Transformers and crap. The last time a Predator movie was seen by a ton of people was 22 years ago.
Some fun action ideas and descriptions in this script. Ultimately, I still would rather be watching a true Predator 3 than this, though - meaning, I wish we were getting one or two predators just hunting a badass human in a steamy Earth environment again. Do a take on "Big Game" and give us Predators in the desert, hunting a Native American badass. That was always my perfect Predator 3. But hey, I'll try to remain optimistic from what I've read so far.
I always say, "Why would Fox greenlight something that is bad?"
*thinks back to AVP:R, AVP, A:R, etc.
*cries
One thing I'll say about the whole BSP backlash.... First of all, we may as well refer to him as Super Predator. He's not actually black... His armour is and that's what would distinguish him from another Super Predator. Secondly, it's never said that he's much bigger than a regular predator.. The only clear mention I recall is the 'Predator on Steroids' reference, which would, to me at least, just indicate a slightly more muscled Predator... As for the genetic modification thing... Why not? I'm sure there are plenty of scientists on Earth that given the chance would experiment with gene splicing on humans. You would have to concede that any species as smart as the Predators are shown to be is obviously going to have some form of society, you can't really expect the whole Predator race to consist solely of hunters. I'd imagine like us they'd have similar roles, there'd be doctors, scientists, soldiers, leaders. They don't necessarily have the same ethics as we would when it comes to experimentation... I mean, who says the Super Predators are on that planet because they went there? They could be there as a test for a new line of Super soldier Predator that the species has developed to use in combat either to defend their home planet or attack other planets. I just think it's silly to think of them only as hunters, they're bound to be way more sophisticated than that. I think the reason a lot of people are upset about them is because they're out of context. They just ARE. there's no origin, there's no purpose, they're just there and it's not explained.
The BSP concept sucks. Theres no point in hoping against hope for someone who has clearly done another Anderson. Fat Predators.
Quote from: jordan on Nov 23, 2009, 10:06:28 PM
The BSP concept sucks. Theres no point in hoping against hope for someone who has clearly done another Anderson. Fat Predators.
People who call the Predators from AVP "fat" make babies cry.
They're not fat, as we all know by now. They just have too much armor that gives them a bulkier appearance.
They're fat.
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 24, 2009, 01:05:40 AM
They're fat.
So? Why wouldn't there be fat Predators?
I want to see athletic hunters. Not fat clumsy idiots.
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 24, 2009, 01:09:37 AM
I want to see athletic hunters. Not fat clumsy idiots.
So you just want the first movie again
Second, and AvPr (as far as predators).
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 24, 2009, 01:14:22 AM
Second, and AvPr (as far as predators).
I don't like the skin tone of the one from P2.. AvPr one does look better though although his skin looks too dark... Although his face looks awful... I actually didn't realise that you saw his face in that movie(my dvd has never left its box for some reason).. I guess they both beat the pink one from AvP though...
I think in size terms it goes AvP, P1, P2, AvPr with AvPr being the leanest of them all... I prefer P1 though... He's not thin but he's not chubby... AvPr is too thin for me..
All I'm saying though is that there's bound to be lots of different shaped and sized Predators and we're bound to see them eventually.. Hence the super predators
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 24, 2009, 01:20:08 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 24, 2009, 01:14:22 AM
Second, and AvPr (as far as predators).
I don't like the skin tone of the one from P2.. AvPr one does look better though although his skin looks too dark... Although his face looks awful... I actually didn't realise that you saw his face in that movie(my dvd has never left its box for some reason).. I guess they both beat the pink one from AvP though...
All I'm saying though is that there's bound to be lots of different shaped and sized Predators and we're bound to see them eventually.. Hence the super predators
I liked the look of the P2 one. He seemed more mean and ferocious
Yeah but no one wants to see a Predator that isn't a bad ass.
I think the first 2 Predators were equally as great. The Avpr Predator was fine. The way his face was filmed in the movie was horrible. But the face itself is an awesome desgin. With they would of did it right though.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/avp/concept/adibook14.jpg)
Wouldn't be surprised if the BSP wasn't far off that
Now that actually looks damn good.
Quote from: The Demon on Nov 24, 2009, 01:32:42 AM
Now that actually looks damn good.
I think it's a bit too mechanical but I could live with it.. Just imagine that but with black armour
Looks pretty good for what the movie is about.
I like it. I mean these guys are meant to have all this armor.. but whatever.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi149.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs62%2Fmadvp%2Fblacksuperpredator.jpg&hash=93cb06d93f2105a60d4724d828e6196e7ec4dc51)
Beautiful ... really beautiful... I could fall in love. (*dreamy sigh*)
But he doesn't look like BSP from the script .
And where is his mega-plasma-caster?? ;)
I`ve read parts of the script once more. I think that in "Duel with Hanzo" scene SP should remove his mask. It would be better to see face of one more predator ( in every film featuring predator we had a good look on faces of no more than two Preds). Throwing a caster away is unnecessary IMO. He should just holster it.
Quote from: Master on Nov 24, 2009, 09:52:12 AM
I think that in "Duel with Hanzo" scene SP should remove his mask. It would be better to see face of one more predator ( in every film featuring predator we had a good look on faces of no more than two Preds).
Good idea. During a duel they should show their faces. And adversaries should look at each other's eyes.
Quote from: Master on Nov 24, 2009, 09:52:12 AM
Throwing a caster away is unnecessary IMO. He should just holster it.
But it would be an action like Anytime. He throwed his gun out too.
Predator dogs
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10959/Predator-Dog-26960.jpg (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10959/Predator-Dog-26960.jpg)
I've got better one: ;D ;)
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/16-112
Spoiler
From Dark Horse Three World War #1
And Black looks like real bad ass. ;)
Quote from: Uncanny Psycho on Nov 24, 2009, 06:47:21 AM
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s62/madvp/blacksuperpredator.jpg
If that wound up being how they did the design in the movie, I can guarantee you that a flood of morons will call him "fat."
He's not fat at all. It's just his musculature and armor.
But my guess is that many people do not like him. ;) Fans are fans. Everyone wants something else. Total agreement is impossible. :D
Quote from: keylight-di on Nov 24, 2009, 09:03:22 AM
Beautiful ... really beautiful... I could fall in love. (*dreamy sigh*)
But he doesn't look like BSP from the script .
And where is his mega-plasma-caster?? ;)
How can you say he doesn't look like the BSP? He's big, he's got black armour, yeah he's missing his chain cannon and blades in the hair... but if the BSP ended up looking like that I wouldn't mind...
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 24, 2009, 04:57:04 PM
How can you say he doesn't look like the BSP? He's big, he's got black armour, yeah he's missing his chain cannon and blades in the hair... but if the BSP ended up looking like that I wouldn't mind...
He looks like
should BSP look.
Because he looks like normal Predator. Classical. And this way he's beautiful. Nothing what makes him "Predator on steroids". I really want him to look like this picture. I really wish this... Not genetically modified monster, but monster which I know and love, but better.
Why? Look at the script:
Spoiler
A triple headed plasma caster rest on its mount. Cruelly curved blades at the elbows. Spikes on shoulders, knees and heels. Even his dreadlocks are weapons, each strand ending with razor-sharp tip weaved into the hair. pg.62
Can you see what I mean?
I like this picture very much and I wish BSP to look like this image. Black, Super and Predator.
I hope that every one predator in this new film have his own never seen before mask. This design above is v.nice but mask must be different.
Same here ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi149.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs62%2Fmadvp%2Fsbp.jpg&hash=161846bbee06788f1e06bee2b79e1f430d47788c)
Closer to the description, following script.
But I don't like all this spikes. Maybe someone can explain it to me, how possible is for him to move without hurting himself? ;) ;D
For me BSP from the script looks like big, mutated hedgehog. Porcupine or something like this. ;)
Your BSP looks... almost normal. I wonder what is idea of BSP for RR.
I guess, that dogs are a joke... ;)
You need to free transform it out so it's as wide as it is big.
I really how they don't come out as ridiculous as they are described.
Quote from: Uncanny Psycho on Nov 25, 2009, 06:07:25 AM
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s62/madvp/sbp.jpg
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I can't stop laughing, too f**king awesome!
Super Predator
Kenners Night Storm Predator
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toyarchive.com%2FSTAForSale%2FNEW2001%2B%2FPredator%2FNightstormCompLoose1a.jpg&hash=e84e21b9aa5dd6aa875f68eb9c90d81f5bbeef5e)
This one looks suprisingly good for Kenner`s toy.
Quote from: Master on Nov 29, 2009, 01:07:36 PM
This one looks suprisingly good for Kenner`s toy.
But the Predator in the movie isn't actually black...
I just finished reading it...it has some pretty good moments and it all sounds like it could turn out to
be a pretty god movie, but some things I have to actually see if it would work or not, so my attitude towards this movie now is that it has a 65% chance of being pretty awsome. :)
i remember that action figure, i had quite a few of that line.
Quote from: Doomofman on Nov 29, 2009, 02:25:52 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 29, 2009, 01:07:36 PM
This one looks suprisingly good for Kenner`s toy.
But the Predator in the movie isn't actually black...
I never said a thing about film.
Quote from: Master on Nov 24, 2009, 05:46:38 PM
I hope that every one predator in this new film have his own never seen before mask. This design above is v.nice but mask must be different.
anybody has selection of masks dat is out?
iv read it and its godd except for the new preds with the blaxk blood and stuff WTF?
Welcome to the club "We Don't Like This Idea Of BSP".... ;D
Steve Buscemi should have been cast as Edwin. He is perfect for the role.
The script is trash. Filled with underwhelming suspense and Gary Stu characters.
Spoiler
1.) The Predator Falcon is fail. The Yautja lifestyle is that of a noble hunter. Yeah, they use super advanced technology, but half of the battle is tracking the prey, and killing it -- not watching it from afar via cam-mode.
2.) Cuchillo brandishing two uzi's is too hollywood. Nobody does that, not even in real life. In Mexico, the gangs there all use modern submachine guns and flak vests.
3.) The Predator's Plasma Caster .. I guess .. can deflect bullets now? What the hell? That is retarded.
5.) Royce -- if any of you legitimately think that Adrien Brody can carry this role, you're out of your mind. This role was made for someone who is accustomed to the one liners that Royce is filled with ; ( " It can bleed, " and " Don't miss. " ) Vin Diesel is a name that comes to mind, but he's an action star, not an actor.
4.) The Black Super Predator in Noland's camp is an idiot. He's just ramming the door, really? So is " Super " just mean " Stupid "?
5.) Why would Nikolai, as a Spetsnaz have Claymores ( which are American mines )? He would most likely have a MON-200, which is the Soviet/Russian equivalent. Sorry, but it bugs me. Secondly, the explosion is minor, it's anti-personnel, but a mini-nova. Flames wouldn't be billowing up and out of the cave.
6.) Hanzo is the worst character. He's such a generic character. Never speaking, a Japanese guy who automatically goes for the Katana, of all things. Why not have a Scottish character who is fond of a kilt Noland scavenged!
7.) The Super Black Predator has a triple-headed Plasma Caster. What's the point? The Plasma Caster is supposed to be a sort of backup plan if things go bad. So he's got three of them .. Why?
8.) The duel between Hanzo and the Super is probably the worst part of the film. A baseball would break a katana -- it's brittle steel. There wouldn't be any " sword locking " here. Why didn't the Super just blow him away? It didn't offer Noland the same token, who wasn't even armed.
9.) Both endings are absolutely atrocious. The alternate ending is ridiculous. The original ending can be made much better by Edwin killing Isabella, than Royce standing over the pit with his axe, ready to show Edwin how it's really done.
Overall.
4/10.
^^^^
I love you.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 02, 2010, 07:29:36 AM
^^^^
I love you.
Yea. So do I. ;D
@Lil Theo! First post and once such a piercing ;). My appreciation. This script really deserves to total criticism ..
Welcome aboard, mate. ;D
Hello Everybody.
I cannot post a picture (I dont know why) But I have found a movie.
A movie presenting Black Super Predator ! ! ! !
Here is the link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7309159193443204111#
I have a feeling that in the movie Predators will look worse than that . Troy Alves(on the movie) moves quite like a Predator hehehe
Quote from: Bender1988 on Jan 02, 2010, 09:50:55 AM
Hello Everybody.
I cannot post a picture (I dont know why) But I have found a movie.
A movie presenting Black Super Predator ! ! ! !
Here is the link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7309159193443204111#
I have a feeling that in the movie Predators will look worse than that . Troy Alves(on the movie) moves quite like a Predator hehehe
LOL...
The Black Super Predator can do more than just voice mimic to trick his prey...
Quote from: Bender1988 on Jan 02, 2010, 09:50:55 AM
Hello Everybody.
I cannot post a picture (I dont know why) But I have found a movie.
A movie presenting Black Super Predator ! ! ! !
Here is the link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7309159193443204111#
I have a feeling that in the movie Predators will look worse than that . Troy Alves(on the movie) moves quite like a Predator hehehe
LOL
Quote from: Bender1988 on Jan 02, 2010, 09:50:55 AM
Hello Everybody.
I cannot post a picture (I dont know why) But I have found a movie.
A movie presenting Black Super Predator ! ! ! !
Here is the link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7309159193443204111#
I have a feeling that in the movie Predators will look worse than that . Troy Alves(on the movie) moves quite like a Predator hehehe
;D nice find
Quote from: Lil Theo on Jan 02, 2010, 04:53:27 AM
The script is trash. Filled with underwhelming suspense and Gary Stu characters.
Spoiler
1.) The Predator Falcon is fail. The Yautja lifestyle is that of a noble hunter. Yeah, they use super advanced technology, but half of the battle is tracking the prey, and killing it -- not watching it from afar via cam-mode.
2.) Cuchillo brandishing two uzi's is too hollywood. Nobody does that, not even in real life. In Mexico, the gangs there all use modern submachine guns and flak vests.
3.) The Predator's Plasma Caster .. I guess .. can deflect bullets now? What the hell? That is retarded.
5.) Royce -- if any of you legitimately think that Adrien Brody can carry this role, you're out of your mind. This role was made for someone who is accustomed to the one liners that Royce is filled with ; ( " It can bleed, " and " Don't miss. " ) Vin Diesel is a name that comes to mind, but he's an action star, not an actor.
4.) The Black Super Predator in Noland's camp is an idiot. He's just ramming the door, really? So is " Super " just mean " Stupid "?
5.) Why would Nikolai, as a Spetsnaz have Claymores ( which are American mines )? He would most likely have a MON-200, which is the Soviet/Russian equivalent. Sorry, but it bugs me. Secondly, the explosion is minor, it's anti-personnel, but a mini-nova. Flames wouldn't be billowing up and out of the cave.
6.) Hanzo is the worst character. He's such a generic character. Never speaking, a Japanese guy who automatically goes for the Katana, of all things. Why not have a Scottish character who is fond of a kilt Noland scavenged!
7.) The Super Black Predator has a triple-headed Plasma Caster. What's the point? The Plasma Caster is supposed to be a sort of backup plan if things go bad. So he's got three of them .. Why?
8.) The duel between Hanzo and the Super is probably the worst part of the film. A baseball would break a katana -- it's brittle steel. There wouldn't be any " sword locking " here. Why didn't the Super just blow him away? It didn't offer Noland the same token, who wasn't even armed.
9.) Both endings are absolutely atrocious. The alternate ending is ridiculous. The original ending can be made much better by Edwin killing Isabella, than Royce standing over the pit with his axe, ready to show Edwin how it's really done.
Overall.
4/10.
The problem with your review of the script, all the things you're blaming this script for, I could equally transpose it for the first predator script. The movie is full of macho hollywood nonsense. But the difference is we all have experienced the movie before.
Quote from: Lil Theo on Jan 02, 2010, 04:53:27 AM
Spoiler
Why not have a Scottish character who is fond of a kilt Noland scavenged!
That would be DOPE.
And, to point #7 by Lil_Theo, the Predator doesn't seem to use the Plasma Caster as a back-up plan. He kills atleast half the people in the original with it, and then fires like a crazy maniac when he's looking for Arnie. If anything it was more or so his main weapon. In the second, not so much.
"A caucasian male anywhere between 5′11 and 6′1. Must be about 160 lbs. with a toned upper body. "
Must be Royce but based on the last photo I have seen of Brody he does not have a toned upper body. He is still slim.
No, he's toned.
Mmmmh, not sure about that. Toned in a skinny way?
Toned =/= Buff
I read the script, while it was hard to read due to the...uh...flavorable tone ("Like a washing machine set on spin cycle"...what the heck), I kind of liked it. I am not concerened about the budget or shooting time..RR is a master of managing those elements... and eventhough Mr. Antal is directing this...I think RR is pulling the strings behind the scenes.
Spoiler
I am not concerened about the Super Black Predators..in my opinion these things are not true Predators...in fact they are less superior. Why? They need all of this extra technology to track people. Sure they beat Hanzo...but he was the first one to complain that he was tired. Sure....it beat a normal Predator barely...but that Predator was malnutritioned and beat half to death. Plus the SBP are cheaters. I wouldn't be concerened about their apperance either. I think they are going to look like Predators.
Quote("Like a washing machine set on spin cycle"...what the heck
What the heck, what? What was 'flavorable' about that line?
LOL! Why did the writers have to put that in there? Just mention something to the effect that the guy was falling really fast. "Washing machine on spin cycle"...that is the literary equivalent of Daniel Day Lewis! They really hammed it up!
It's a screenplay - not literature. It's just how they write. It's meant to convey the energy and speed meant for the the scene. Maybe even an intention to show it from Royce's POV, without actually typing the restrictive instruction 'ROYCE'S POV'.
I know...but it was just so goofy.
Yeah, the style of those writers is full of those unnecessary flourishes, they need to mature their writing a little bit.. they're selling their stuff, trying to make things more impressive than they are when they doesn't really need to. At times though, it's really effective in the storytelling and gives some life to the script, so at least they are kinda good at it.
Why does the writing need to be "mature" in a film like this? It's an action flick with action set pieces and that should come through in the writing.
Quote from: EarthHive on Jan 04, 2010, 06:10:26 AM
I know...but it was just so goofy.
It's ok, really. You'll live.
I know.
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2010, 10:39:23 PM
Why does the writing need to be "mature" in a film like this? It's an action flick with action set pieces and that should come through in the writing.
The problem is that " mature " is subjective.
At the beginning of Predator, when Ventura's character offers them tobacco, they refuse, and he says " All you guys are a bunch of wussies( :| )! This will make you a sexual tyrannosaurus rex, like me! "
I knew the film would be mature.
The thing about Predator, is that it didn't have any of that poofed up BS that Robert Rodriguez is trying to put it. McTiernan was just trying to write a good action movie. He wasn't like " Oh I need to put my own McTiernan spin on it. He just did it. "
The Predator doesn't need to be " Super. " It already is in its own right.
QuoteThe thing about Predator, is that it didn't have any of that poofed up BS that Robert Rodriguez is trying to put it. McTiernan was just trying to write a good action movie. He wasn't like " Oh I need to put my own McTiernan spin on it. He just did it. "
Didn't the Thomas' write Predator?
Both the originals.
And, well, McTiernan did put his spin on the script. And the creature. It was pretty much he who looked at the existing Pred suit, said that's shit, and got Winston in to redo it.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 05, 2010, 10:26:06 PM
Both the originals.
And, well, McTiernan did put his spin on the script. And the creature. It was pretty much he who looked at the existing Pred suit, said that's shit, and got Winston in to redo it.
Wasn't it Arnold who mentioned that he worked with Stan on Terminator so that's how they got in touch with him to re-do the creature design for the Predator?
Quote from: PatrinAVP11 on Jan 05, 2010, 10:36:46 PM
Wasn't it Arnold who mentioned that he worked with Stan on Terminator so that's how they got in touch with him to re-do the creature design for the Predator?
Arnold brought up Winston; McTiernan decided to completely overhaul the Predator.
I was just trying to make the point that the writers tried to hype scenes up too much with flavor...which IMO distracted me from time to time.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 05, 2010, 10:54:19 PM
Quote from: PatrinAVP11 on Jan 05, 2010, 10:36:46 PM
Wasn't it Arnold who mentioned that he worked with Stan on Terminator so that's how they got in touch with him to re-do the creature design for the Predator?
Arnold brought up Winston; McTiernan decided to completely overhaul the Predator.
Which was the best decision they made I think.
How weird would the movie be with that weird bug like creature killing people? It might of been cool. I don't know.
I have a feeling that that bug creature will make an turn up in the new movie. Brief cameo as prey!
Quote from: Geraint95 on Jan 08, 2010, 08:28:04 PM
Wow... really liked the script btw predator fans will LOVE it ;D ;D ;D
You really didn't read all this threads full of protest and bitterness, huh?
Quote from: Geraint95 on Jan 08, 2010, 08:28:04 PM
Wow... really liked the script btw predator fans will LOVE it ;D ;D ;D
Are you really serious? this is madness...
I really enjoyed the script and I'm a Predator fan.
People hate it for silly things any way eg black blood, triple canons ect
No one even knows what the Preds will look like, majority of hate is based on a brief vague discription.
The script is just as good as the original script. It all comes down to the execution buy the director and producers.
A true Predator fan will maintain faith until they see the film.
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Jan 08, 2010, 10:26:47 PM
I really enjoyed the script and I'm a Predator fan.
People hate it for silly things any way eg black blood, triple canons ect
No one even knows what the Preds will look like, majority of hate is based on a brief vague discription.
The script is just as good as the original script. It all comes down to the execution buy the director and producers.
A true Predator fan will maintain faith until they see the film.
But those ''silly'' things that you said are really the biggest problem, I mean why can't we just have the preds that we all know and like. Its just a way that Rodrigues found to create his own stupid version of what preds are, those super steroids preds, just like Paul Anderson turned the preds into a stupid space samurai in AVP.
And I have faith... at least a little of it, that most of those ''silly'' things will be left out of the movie in the end.
@Dark Pred
What if those silly things are kept but the film has great action, great direction, lots of suspence and tension ect - would you still think the film is awfull because the Pred has black blood ect
I can understand your frustration' its hard to have hope after AvP but still are the things such as the colour blood a real big deal? Are not great story telling more important? AvPR had a "true Pred" but the story telling was poor.
Great action, great direction? I'm sorry, but that just doesn't seem possible with the BS that is the entire script.
@shadow
Why?
I just don't see that being a possibility for this movie, I just do not see that to ever even happen in the slightest, it's a just a feeling, also, the script practically makes that dream of "great action, great direction" seem to be way out of reach for me.
@shadow
Fair enough. If its just a gut feeling you have and not based on anything factual then there is no point debating. Was just curious why you felt the direction, story and direction will be poor. The Predators script is of the same quality as the original script. Ill compare it to the original film when it comes out.
I wish everyone will just stop judging untill the movie comes out. Ya the script was not good but who knows if it hasnt change some since it came out so let just wait to see the movie. If it sucks balls than we all can bitch and slam it on here but if its good than we can all praise it. Until it comes out and we all see it ther is no telling how good or bad it will be cuz we all know from AvP-R we cant go off movie trailers or pics on how goood a movie will be. We all know when we seen them it we thought it was going to be the movie when been wanting for the last 20yrs but it wasnt even close to being good.
THAT was a long sentence.
Ya I know hey im not in dam english class here haha :D
You have heard of periods, right? :P
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Jan 08, 2010, 10:50:54 PM
@Dark Pred
What if those silly things are kept but the film has great action, great direction, lots of suspence and tension ect - would you still think the film is awfull because the Pred has black blood ect
I really don't think that this movie will have all these things that you said but... if by a miracle it ended up being like that, of course I wouldn't think that the movie is awfull. And my opinion about it would be just like my opinion on ALIENS: good characters/acting, good action, good history... and a great creature turned into a piece of shit.
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Jan 08, 2010, 10:50:54 PM
I can understand your frustration' its hard to have hope after AvP but still are the things such as the colour blood a real big deal? Are not great story telling more important? AvPR had a "true Pred" but the story telling was poor.
For me the behavior and appearence of the the creature is very important, its one of the reasons that I thought that Predator/Predator 2 were better than AVP and AVPR, and the main reason that I thought that ALIEN was better than any other movie with aliens.
The script by Litvak/Finch has a decent amount of merit, is fun to read and is definitely far superior to the horrendous two AvP pieces of trash and is a massive improvement over RR's old draft but in order for this to truly excel, it has to be revised with a number of it's issues remedied. I believe that this draft is not the final shooting script so I am hoping for the best with my fingers crossed. There are some big spoilers ahead so proceed with caution.
Pros- The story is quite interesting with it bringing the original Predator, The Most Dangerous Game and even Battle Royale to mind. However, there a few silly elements present that need to be dropped or revised (such as the Predators' descriptions, Dutch cameo, human vs. predator minigun scene etc.). The concept of a game reserve on a jungle filled Predator planet with skilled prey from different planets dropped in it to be hunted is intriguing and definitely a better idea than scientists running from Predators in a pyramid under Antartica or Aliens/Predators duking it out in a present day hick town with pizza boys and teens caught in the middle.
- The setting was solid with a nice vibe of the original's within it, a number of creative traps and interesting alien vegetation/creatures. The Predator is back in the jungle and I really appreciate this. With Kontroll's cinematographer onboard, KNB behind the effects and some green screen being used, we should get some great looking environments and shots.
- Many of the characters are decent but I particularly liked Royce, Stans, Noland & Edwin (who has a nice mysterious aura to him). Royce is a total bad ass and his fight against the Predator was quite good. I wanted one of the characters to use the AA-12 and a clever fire based trap and we got it here! Speaking of weapons, I liked the variety of the selection here. They have state of the art heavy hitters like the AA-12 & Gsh-g-7.62, proven guns like the PSG-1, AK-47 & Baretta M92f and effective melee weapons such as a samurai sword and a machete.
While the characters are somewhat cliched, they have some intrigue to them and with solid performances by the actors, they can be much more memorable than any single character in the AvP films. Even with the bumps involved, these mercenaries, killers and soldiers easily wipe the floor with the crappy scientists of AvP or cringe worthy teens in AvP-R in terms of quality and intrigue. Let me say this with sheer joy: Yay! No annoying teens to make us cringe here!
- The action is fast, visceral and brutal but there are a few very ridiculously over the top instances though (the Predator shooting bullets in slo mo for instance). I loved the opening, the climatic fight and the Predators' ambush of Noland's hideout. Also, if the dog attack sequence is directed well then it will be a blast to watch as well. Additionally, I was somewhat fond of the fight between Hanzo and one of the Predators too. I particularly liked the part where the Predator takes his shoulder cannon off and charges at Hanzo. Now that's what I call bad ass! I however hated the conclusion of the fight so I hope it is changed. Taking everything into account, I'd say that the action here packs much more punch than anything in the AvP films and with good direction, the set pieces are going to be very enjoyable.
- The execution of the dog/falcon sequences were much better than expected and I can see the creatures being rather cool if the designs are good.
- The dialogue for the most part is above average with great nods to the original, a number of good allegorical segments and some nice comic exchanges. However a select few lines were laughable (especially some of those spoken by Stans) but there is nothing that some revision or improvisation can't fix.
- I thought the Predator vs. Predator fight would be handled terribly but it is actually plausible and visceral. Anyway, the entire aspect presents some interesting implications about conflicts between different clans of Predators. It could be that the BSPs are rogue or outcast Predators. This angle makes the new Predators much more tolerable than their silly 'super' label. I hope the conclusion of the fight and this entire facet is revised into something more positive and substantial.
- I liked the select number of nods to the original and I especially loved the build up to the classic 'If it bleeds, we can kill it' line. While the script doesn't really reference events from P2, it atleast throws some nods it's way. For instance the Predator spear introduced in P2 is present in a scene, we see that the Predators change vision modes and the part where Royce cuts the BSP's arm with a Predator weapon after it activates the wristbomb brought to mind the rooftop scene in P2. Anyway, the part with the Predator mimicing Cuchillo's words after he dies to taunt Isabelle was just brilliant!
- While the script isn't as brilliantly paced as the original Predator, it's fast moving and entertaing to read. Also, the script really captures the vibe of the original in my honest opinion while presenting new things of it's own and has a decent amount of R rated action and coarse language.
- I really appreciate that the Predators are being turned into antagonists again because in this role they are much scarier. I just wasn't fond of anti-hero Predators in AvP or AvP-R who lacked the scare factor of the Predators in the first two films. I also like how they don't expose the main antagonist Predators until the third act instead having the Predators observe, tease or kill their prey while cloaked without revealing themselves until much later.
Cons- Both endings are disappointing but the alternate ending with Dutch is just laughable/horrendous. The alternate ending is by far the worst part of the script and had me blurting 'what the F#8k?!' out loud! It plays out like something out of a bad comic book and doesn't really fit Dutch's character. I have a feeling that this alternate ending was dropped or revised. If not then I truly hope that Arnie declines the cameo.
- The Hanzo vs. Predator #2 fight was fun to read but I remotely don't like how it ended. I think that the Predator should kill Hanzo but itself survive and the classic Predator later should take it on. Ofcourse, the classic Predator should defeat it while the last villain Predator is left to Royce for the clever climatic battle to unfold. Therefore, as you can tell I want the conclusion of the Pred vs. Pred fight in the script to be changed as well.
- The physical description of the Black Super Predator in the script is just laughable. Now I know their intention was to make the Predator scarier but turning it's physical description into a mess is not the way. Also, what is up with the BSP's black blood? Alien substances are the cause or what? Not everything is bad about the physical description though because I think that the distinct black armour, skull decorations and red eyes could work with the right design. What eases the worry a bit though is Howard Berger/Greg Nicotero's intention to create the Predators of the film in the vein of Winston's designs.
One more thing I want to say is that 'super' is not the right moniker for the Predators because they look and act more like 'bad blood' or rogue Predators. Speaking of rogues, the implication of a clan conflict (considering the classic Predator hung on the totem) is interesting and could lead to something intriguing in a future sequel. Anyway, to our benefit none of the characters ever call these new Predators 'super' so they are quite open to interpretation in my opinion. I just hope KNB gets their design right.
- Noland is an intriguing character and one of the coolest in the script but unfortunately he is completely wasted here. However, I think the circumstanstances surrounding the death sequence is meant to establish the new Predators as to having a 'bad blood' or rogue Predator like personality.
In conclusion, I find that the script
easily blows away what we got with the horrendous AvP films, is entertaining for the most part and does capture the vibe of the original but there are some flaws that are quite detrimental to the overall quality and a few ridiculously silly things that need to be dropped.
Score: 6.5/10
I believe that they can easily fix some of these issues and in that case, given the the execution is good, Predators would be a very respectable effort. I am confident about the ability of the director (his short films and feature film debut Kontroll are amazing while Vacancy was a decent effort wasted by a lacking script), the talent of the actors and the work of KNB (who I think is better than ADI). I am hoping for the best and ofcourse prepared for the worst.
By the way, I do not think the script we read is the final shooting script. I had read a report about shooting of a scene where Royce utters "the sun hasn't moved" and there's mention of 'Berzerkers' which aren't in the draft we read. The one we read was dated July '09 but shooting started October so the script may have gone through a revision so here's hoping they fixed most of the major issues for the shooting script or during production.
QuoteThat exterior shot follows the eight main characters approaching the rocky ridge from the adjacent jungle to get a view of "the alien plant." Alice Braga who plays Isabelle tells the group in the scene that "the plan stays the same to follow river" towards the rocky ridge...In that scene Royce (Adrien Brody) definitively says the crew will go after the Berzerkers.
The production had one major location, which is privately owned — not the Kamehameha Schools location — on the mauka and makai side of the Highway 240. The Kole Kole Park location saw the eight-member cast following tracks in the jungle and first finding an empty cage with a parachute then some two-dozen other empty cages. It is during the chasing dogs scene that the group hears something crashing fast through jungle.
Stans (Walton Goggins, above) breaks down and demands a gun. Royce (Brody) tells the group "The sun hasn't moved." Then the group — knowing they're in the "Hunting Dogs Area" according to the script — prepares weapons for "the imminent danger." Suddenly, one member of the group sees nearby human forms.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1257470228&archive=&start_from=&ucat=18& (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1257470228&archive=&start_from=&ucat=18&)
I don't remember reading these things in the July draft.
Nice review Preddy. A lot better then the usual "the film is gonna suck cos the Pred has black blood" review we usually get here
Thanks Ninja! The script has a lot of potential and can make for a decent film with good execution and if the major issues plaguing it are ironed out. Fixing the flaws in the script during production shouldn't prove to be very difficult at all so let's hope they took the initiative to revise the script again. There are indicators pointing towards a revision anyway so I am hoping for the best. If they drop the alternate ending, change the Predators' description and call them Black rogue Predators instead of Black Super Predators then the prospect of the script would be a lot better.
By the way, how come you don't post on the IMDB Predators boards much these days? Also, what's your stance on the script?
Quote from: Preddy Krueger on Jan 14, 2010, 04:23:10 PM
Thanks Ninja! The script has a lot of potential and can make for a decent film with good execution and if the major issues plaguing it are ironed out. Fixing the flaws in the script during production shouldn't prove to be very difficult at all so let's hope they took the initiative to revise the script again. There are indicators pointing towards a revision anyway so I am hoping for the best. If they drop the alternate ending, change the Predators' description and call them Black rogue Predators instead of Black Super Predators then the prospect of the script would be a lot better.
By the way, how come you don't post on the IMDB Predators boards much these days? Also, what's your stance on the script?
Im glad you remember me from IMDB ;D
The reason why I left is because its been taken over by fools like that Frenchy Pred and no one every replies when you start a discussion thread. This is the best place to be. You should seriously post here more often dude.
In regards to the script, I like it and believe with good execution can become a great action movie. The thing I like most about it is that it is simple but effective! It does not try to be clever, its just about the Hunters and the Hunted. Also, the Predator is the bad guy again and not the Anti-hero seen in AvP.
Why does Frenchy Pred sound familiar?
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 14, 2010, 04:41:30 PM
Why does Frenchy Pred sound familiar?
He often visits here but I dont believe he is a member.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 14, 2010, 04:41:30 PM
Why does Frenchy Pred sound familiar?
your not from France are you? ;D
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 14, 2010, 04:41:30 PM
Why does Frenchy Pred sound familiar?
Well it was actually FrenchPred, but ya.
Oh, there it is.
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Jan 14, 2010, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Preddy Krueger on Jan 14, 2010, 04:23:10 PM
Thanks Ninja! The script has a lot of potential and can make for a decent film with good execution and if the major issues plaguing it are ironed out. Fixing the flaws in the script during production shouldn't prove to be very difficult at all so let's hope they took the initiative to revise the script again. There are indicators pointing towards a revision anyway so I am hoping for the best. If they drop the alternate ending, change the Predators' description and call them Black rogue Predators instead of Black Super Predators then the prospect of the script would be a lot better.
By the way, how come you don't post on the IMDB Predators boards much these days? Also, what's your stance on the script?
Im glad you remember me from IMDB ;D
The reason why I left is because its been taken over by fools like that Frenchy Pred and no one every replies when you start a discussion thread. This is the best place to be. You should seriously post here more often dude.
In regards to the script, I like it and believe with good execution can become a great action movie. The thing I like most about it is that it is simple but effective! It does not try to be clever, its just about the Hunters and the Hunted. Also, the Predator is the bad guy again and not the Anti-hero seen in AvP.
Well, you can always post in my threads or expect to see me contributing to an interesting or constructive topic. :) However, you should naturally expect a lot of negativity and skepticism given how the AvP films turned out and considering the issues plaguing the July draft of Predators. The atmosphere should improve if they release information or promotional material that potentially ease our worry regarding some facets. I am largely neutral towards Predators (though a bit cautiously optimistic) and will only pick a side after things become much more concrete. I do not want to be judgmental at this point and want to see the designs of the Predators, watch a trailer and know whether the Dutch cameo has been altered before becoming optimistic or pessimistic about Predators.
I will say this though - the prospect of Predators looks to be a lot better than the AvP films. The director (whose awesome Kontroll appropriately won 17 awards & 3 nominations), producer, actors, effects studio, story/concept, setting, characters and even the script with all of it's issues of Predators are simply superior compared to the same counterparts of the AvP films. We'll be in for a treat if Antal and his crew can resolve the issues to deliver a film on par with Kontroll which is what I am hoping for. I think Antal may be able to deliver given his immense talent, the decent cast/crew he is working with, the support of an established producer and the award winning cinematographer of his Hungarian film Kontroll on board. Even if Predators isn't up to it's fullest potential, I just cannot see Antal making a film worse than AvP-R. Armored, which was Antal's weakest, alone is far better than AvP or AvP-R. If I am not mistaken AvP-R turned out to be so bad that it was nominated for 2 razzies and rightfully so! Now that's a very pathetic but depressing low for the Alien and Predator franchise.
I share your stance when it comes to the script. It has flaws and some things in it are ridiculously silly but overall, the script has a lot of potential which can only be realized with some polish and good execution. We need KNB to get the Predator design right, we need Antal to provide the same visual punch to Predators that he did for his superb short film Insurance and feature film Kontroll (which is an off field, memorable, entertaining and brilliantly executed film that effectively combines several styles and genres effectively) and the writers need to rework a number of elements in the script for the film to be successful. Like I said in an earlier post, I am hoping for the best but I am also prepared for the worst. We are finally getting a proper Predator film after 20 years and the production does seem to have a reasonable amount going for it so let's hope the end result amounts to a respectable effort which puts the series on the right track.
Quote from: Preddy Krueger on Jan 14, 2010, 05:35:41 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Jan 14, 2010, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Preddy Krueger on Jan 14, 2010, 04:23:10 PM
Thanks Ninja! The script has a lot of potential and can make for a decent film with good execution and if the major issues plaguing it are ironed out. Fixing the flaws in the script during production shouldn't prove to be very difficult at all so let's hope they took the initiative to revise the script again. There are indicators pointing towards a revision anyway so I am hoping for the best. If they drop the alternate ending, change the Predators' description and call them Black rogue Predators instead of Black Super Predators then the prospect of the script would be a lot better.
By the way, how come you don't post on the IMDB Predators boards much these days? Also, what's your stance on the script?
Im glad you remember me from IMDB ;D
The reason why I left is because its been taken over by fools like that Frenchy Pred and no one every replies when you start a discussion thread. This is the best place to be. You should seriously post here more often dude.
In regards to the script, I like it and believe with good execution can become a great action movie. The thing I like most about it is that it is simple but effective! It does not try to be clever, its just about the Hunters and the Hunted. Also, the Predator is the bad guy again and not the Anti-hero seen in AvP.
Well, you can always post in my threads or expect to see me contributing to an interesting or constructive topic. :) However, you should naturally expect a lot of negativity and skepticism given how the AvP films turned out and considering the issues plaguing the July draft of Predators. The atmosphere should improve if they release information or promotional material that potentially ease our worry regarding some facets. I am largely neutral towards Predators (though a bit cautiously optimistic) and will only pick a side after things become much more concrete. I do not want to be judgmental at this point and want to see the designs of the Predators, watch a trailer and know whether the Dutch cameo has been altered before becoming optimistic or pessimistic about Predators.
I will say this though - the prospect of Predators looks to be a lot better than the AvP films. The director (whose awesome Kontroll appropriately won 17 awards & 3 nominations), producer, actors, effects studio, story/concept, setting, characters and even the script with all of it's issues of Predators are simply superior compared to the same counterparts of the AvP films. We'll be in for a treat if Antal and his crew can resolve the issues to deliver a film on par with Kontroll which is what I am hoping for. I think Antal may be able to deliver given his immense talent, the decent cast/crew he is working with, the support of an established producer and the award winning cinematographer of his Hungarian film Kontroll on board. Even if Predators isn't up to it's fullest potential, I just cannot see Antal making a film worse than AvP-R. Armored, which was Antal's weakest, alone is far better than AvP or AvP-R. If I am not mistaken AvP-R turned out to be so bad that it was nominated for 2 razzies and rightfully so! Now that's a very pathetic but depressing low for the Alien and Predator franchise.
I share your stance when it comes to the script. It has flaws and some things in it are ridiculously silly but overall, the script has a lot of potential which can only be realized with some polish and good execution. We need KNB to get the Predator design right, we need Antal to provide the same visual punch to Predators that he did for his superb short film Insurance and feature film Kontroll (which is an off field, memorable, entertaining and brilliantly executed film that effectively combines several styles and genres effectively) and the writers need to rework a number of elements in the script for the film to be successful. Like I said in an earlier post, I am hoping for the best but I am also prepared for the worst. We are finally getting a proper Predator film after 20 years and the production does seem to have a reasonable amount going for it so let's hope the end result amounts to a respectable effort which puts the series on the right track.
Dude, I wish you visited this forum more often. I could do with your help sometimes when debating with the haters!
I also believe its to early to judge the film but based on what I know so far, things are positive then negative. If you check out the majority of negative posts here non of them really pan the story but more nit-picky things like black blood, Predator using a specific type of gun ect.
If the Predators turns out to be crap then I will be the first to admit I was wrong and will quietly sulk into a corner. Hopefully that wont happen!
You shoudl post your earlier review here
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=27903.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=27903.0)
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Jan 14, 2010, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: Preddy Krueger on Jan 14, 2010, 05:35:41 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Jan 14, 2010, 04:32:02 PM
Quote from: Preddy Krueger on Jan 14, 2010, 04:23:10 PM
Thanks Ninja! The script has a lot of potential and can make for a decent film with good execution and if the major issues plaguing it are ironed out. Fixing the flaws in the script during production shouldn't prove to be very difficult at all so let's hope they took the initiative to revise the script again. There are indicators pointing towards a revision anyway so I am hoping for the best. If they drop the alternate ending, change the Predators' description and call them Black rogue Predators instead of Black Super Predators then the prospect of the script would be a lot better.
By the way, how come you don't post on the IMDB Predators boards much these days? Also, what's your stance on the script?
Im glad you remember me from IMDB ;D
The reason why I left is because its been taken over by fools like that Frenchy Pred and no one every replies when you start a discussion thread. This is the best place to be. You should seriously post here more often dude.
In regards to the script, I like it and believe with good execution can become a great action movie. The thing I like most about it is that it is simple but effective! It does not try to be clever, its just about the Hunters and the Hunted. Also, the Predator is the bad guy again and not the Anti-hero seen in AvP.
Well, you can always post in my threads or expect to see me contributing to an interesting or constructive topic. :) However, you should naturally expect a lot of negativity and skepticism given how the AvP films turned out and considering the issues plaguing the July draft of Predators. The atmosphere should improve if they release information or promotional material that potentially ease our worry regarding some facets. I am largely neutral towards Predators (though a bit cautiously optimistic) and will only pick a side after things become much more concrete. I do not want to be judgmental at this point and want to see the designs of the Predators, watch a trailer and know whether the Dutch cameo has been altered before becoming optimistic or pessimistic about Predators.
I will say this though - the prospect of Predators looks to be a lot better than the AvP films. The director (whose awesome Kontroll appropriately won 17 awards & 3 nominations), producer, actors, effects studio, story/concept, setting, characters and even the script with all of it's issues of Predators are simply superior compared to the same counterparts of the AvP films. We'll be in for a treat if Antal and his crew can resolve the issues to deliver a film on par with Kontroll which is what I am hoping for. I think Antal may be able to deliver given his immense talent, the decent cast/crew he is working with, the support of an established producer and the award winning cinematographer of his Hungarian film Kontroll on board. Even if Predators isn't up to it's fullest potential, I just cannot see Antal making a film worse than AvP-R. Armored, which was Antal's weakest, alone is far better than AvP or AvP-R. If I am not mistaken AvP-R turned out to be so bad that it was nominated for 2 razzies and rightfully so! Now that's a very pathetic but depressing low for the Alien and Predator franchise.
I share your stance when it comes to the script. It has flaws and some things in it are ridiculously silly but overall, the script has a lot of potential which can only be realized with some polish and good execution. We need KNB to get the Predator design right, we need Antal to provide the same visual punch to Predators that he did for his superb short film Insurance and feature film Kontroll (which is an off field, memorable, entertaining and brilliantly executed film that effectively combines several styles and genres effectively) and the writers need to rework a number of elements in the script for the film to be successful. Like I said in an earlier post, I am hoping for the best but I am also prepared for the worst. We are finally getting a proper Predator film after 20 years and the production does seem to have a reasonable amount going for it so let's hope the end result amounts to a respectable effort which puts the series on the right track.
Dude, I wish you visited this forum more often. I could do with your help sometimes when debating with the haters!
I also believe its to early to judge the film but based on what I know so far, things are positive then negative. If you check out the majority of negative posts here non of them really pan the story but more nit-picky things like black blood, Predator using a specific type of gun ect.
If the Predators turns out to be crap then I will be the first to admit I was wrong and will quietly sulk into a corner. Hopefully that wont happen!
You shoudl post your earlier review here
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=27903.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=27903.0)
I will consider posting here more often but you are already doing a commendable job in debates so you don't really need anyone's help to make your case. :)
However, I agree with your points. Predators could go either way and we will only get a clear picture when things become more concrete. I am hoping for an effective and entertaining film but even if it disappoints, I think it still will be better than the horrendous AvP films considering all that Predators has going for it.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 14, 2010, 04:41:30 PM
Why does Frenchy Pred sound familiar?
FrenchPred pizza? :D
I don't get it why is the idea of black blood for the bsp's such a bad thing. I think it would be a good twist to the story. Plus for all the green blood predator fans out there. That why there is a regular pred in the film.
Yeah true. Its really not a big deal. Its just an addition to neat sci fi effects.
What if some dude had green blood? That'd be a big deal.
If by some dude you mean a human, then if they give a plausible reason why he has green blood then fair enough.
But this is totally stupid idea biologicly speaking. Changes of DNA would not change color of organism`s blood.
Everything in the human body is controled by a gene or group of genes, including blood colour. Its difficult, but not impossible.
The gene or genes associated to blood colour themselves may be linked via pathways to genes connected to other physical characteristics. So if you alter one gene, it could have a knock on effect altering other genes.
Eg one scientist could find the gene connected to heart strength and its ability to pump. If he altered it to make his heart stronger he could accidently affect the gene for blood colour.
Its not easy, probably beyond our capabilities, but not biologically impossible!
My older bro is a PhD in Molecular Genetics. He works in Imperial College in London.
I asked him when I heard about the BSP. He says its not impossible, but its more then likely the organism won't last long. However, this is based on our current human tech. We are talking Preds here, make belief creatures capable of space travel, so if its not impossible for us why could it not be possible for them?
Eg the BSP kills an alien creature who happens to have black blood. Say, for arguments sake alien creature has a specific gene associated with its blood cells that creates a protein that has a significant connection to rapid muscle rejuvination. In turn that protein is connected to blood pigmination giving blood a black colour. If a Pred splices this gene into a group of genes connected to its blood then its possible that the alien protein produced by the spliced alien gene could also influence the colour of the Preds blood and muscle rejuvination.
All is this is just theory adapted from theories on human genetics. If human scientists admit its not impossible, why is it impossible for somethink make belief?
Actually color of the blood is associated with metallic elemant that have the ability to bind specific gas that organism uses to breath. Our blood have ferrum which binds oxygen thus why is red. Predator blood is green cause have different gas-binding metallic element (I`d say magnesium - but preds are alien creatures, so earth comparisons are irrelevant). Ask your brother I`m sure he`ll confirm it.
Black blood, green blood. I can suspend my disbelief enough to believe that maybe the BSP are genetically modified, hence the different coloured blood.
Yeah, wasn't that the idea anyways?
If the BSP's are genetically modifying themselves to make themselves better hunters, then changing their blood color would be a good idea.
Having glowing green blood, that is obviously VERY easy to see (and track) would be serious handicap to a wounded Pred.
But having black blood, being much harder to spot, would be a big plus.
I have always said that the BSP are mutated versions of real Predators (kind of like the creeps in the Hills of Eyes were mutated humans)...so they are going to look like Predators but be all mutated....so in that logic...the black blood doesn't bother me.
I'm getting the idea that: Predators = Alien: Rez
:-\
@Master
My bro don't live with me so can not ask him now but will do when I speak to him next.
I may be in highschool, but I know that the red colour has something to do with the iron in haemoglobin reacting with oxyen. The iron in haemoglobin is due to a iron containing protein which is needed to make haemoglobin. So in summary, all proteins in the human body are made by genes. This includes the iron containing protein found in haemoglobin which makes up the blood. I believe without this protein human blood is blue/green in colour.
So if you mutate the gene that creates this iron containing protein, you in theory can change blood colour or at least blood from appearing red. However, if this was done on a human being it would kill since our blood will no longer have the ability to carry (or react with) oxygen.
However, in regards to Predators, in just a sci fi movie, so if its not impossible in real science I can suspend belief enough to believe that intergalactic hunters capapble of space travel can play around with their genes, accidently mutate their blood to black, and found a way to survive.
Any way, you may have got your wish, the whole mutant preds idea may have been scrapped inc the black blood. Any way, it may be ridiculous cos people just don't like the idea of mutant Preds but the theory of mutating your genes to make your self stronger is not silly and is quite probable for some individuals from intelligent cultures to covert this.
I`m not insulting your knowledge. I just want to realise you how impossibly hard it would be to succeed.
QuoteAny way, you may have got your wish, the whole mutant preds idea may have been scrapped inc the black blood.
Deffina telly hope so.
QuoteAny way, it may be ridiculous cos people just don't like the idea of mutant Preds but the theory of mutating your genes to make your self stronger is not silly and is quite probable for some individuals from intelligent cultures to covert this.
I don`t mind them to be bigger stronger. Just don`t change things that aren`t really necessary to be changed, which pisses off some people.
QuoteI'm getting the idea that: Predators = Alien: Rez
Could be worse. Could be Predators = AvP.
Besides Alien:Rez isn't the worst movie ever made by any stretch of the imagination. Its french as hell, its so very french, but its not terrible. Could it have been better? yes. From what I can tell Whedon's original script was actually pretty damn solid. That being said the Predator movies aren't the Alien movies, we'll just have to see how this turns out.
As far as I can tell JPJ improved on Whedon's script (at least the published one).
Or whoever decided that lines like "We're f**ked in our little pink bottoms" and "Because pain hurts" should be omitted improved on Whedon's script.
Quote from: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 04:45:55 AM
QuoteI'm getting the idea that: Predators = Alien: Rez
Could be worse. Could be Predators = AvP.
This movie is suppose to be an improve out of AvP so it can't be as bad as that.
AvP-r was also supposed to be improvment over AvP ::)
Quote from: Master on Jan 21, 2010, 11:39:45 AM
AvP-r was also supposed to be improvment over AvP ::)
"going back to roots" ::)
I like the ideas in the script; it has potential to be a great movie. Just as good as the original.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Jan 20, 2010, 12:35:54 AM
Having glowing green blood, that is obviously VERY easy to see (and track) would be serious handicap to a wounded Pred.
Yes. But as they can't see on our wavelength, how they could get to figuring that out, is another matter, entirely. :)
Hm, it's possible they have a vision mode that compensates and allows for tracking of that sort.
Assuming they have kept the black blood, it can easily be explained as a by product of their genetic engineering.
I don't believe that blood colour could offer any sort of advantage other features.
I think that the black blood idea may be drooped, by the pictures we can tell that probaly the ''super pred thing'' was dropped since they look like normal preds and not like the ''steroids preds'' from the script.
So maybe it means that they decided to make them just normal preds, with green blood of course.
Let as pray for this.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
I'm not a religious man.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 23, 2010, 05:28:59 PM
I'm not a religious man.
You should be! In this case at least ;)
I don't think the Man in the Sky cares enough.
QuoteAnd God said, let there be green blood!
Kind of has a nice ring to it. :D
So sad all filmmakers seem to diss predator 2 which is a good sequel, predator 2 established alot of great new things and awesome new weapons, that they have the honour code, they are a clan etc. Same think with the makers of the avp films seemed to talk down on predator 2.
Predator 2 is almost as good as the first film. They can´t ignore it because as time has passed its became accepted and a piece of the predator lore and its a bad idea to ignore it. The avp films on the other hand...:)
Either way im excited for this film, i like Robert Rodriguez From Dusk Till Dawn is one of my favorite films and i like most films he has been involved with. Havent read this script, but i have high hopes.:)
Quote from: Malicious Predator on Jan 25, 2010, 01:42:57 PM
Same think with the makers of the avp films seemed to talk down on predator 2.
Predator 2 is almost as good as the first film. They can´t ignore it because as time has passed its became accepted and a piece of the predator lore and its a bad idea to ignore it. The avp films on the other hand...:)
Paul W.S. Anderson never had ignored Predator 2, infact he has said that AvP was the sequel to Predator 2 (And I'm expecting people to put their fingers in their ears singing "La la la la la la I can't hear you la la la la"), according to the footage in the Making Of documentary in the Unrated DVD special. He even directly referanced Predator 2 when he mentions the Alien skull being displayed in the ending scene of Predator. Anderson said that it was because of Predator 2, that he wanted to do AvP.
The Brothers Strause on the other hand... the only time they mentioned Predator 2 was when they were bringing up the color palette discussions for making the Predator homeworld.
Predator 2 is criminally under-rated.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 25, 2010, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Malicious Predator on Jan 25, 2010, 01:42:57 PM
Same think with the makers of the avp films seemed to talk down on predator 2.
Predator 2 is almost as good as the first film. They can´t ignore it because as time has passed its became accepted and a piece of the predator lore and its a bad idea to ignore it. The avp films on the other hand...:)
Paul W.S. Anderson never had ignored Predator 2, infact he has said that AvP was the sequel to Predator 2 (And I'm expecting people to put their fingers in their ears singing "La la la la la la I can't hear you la la la la"), according to the footage in the Making Of documentary in the Unrated DVD special. He even directly referanced Predator 2 when he mentions the Alien skull being displayed in the ending scene of Predator. Anderson said that it was because of Predator 2, that he wanted to do AvP.
The Brothers Strause on the other hand... the only time they mentioned Predator 2 was when they were bringing up the color palette discussions for making the Predator homeworld.
Predator 2 is criminally under-rated.
-Rakai'Thwei
Correct
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 25, 2010, 08:32:42 PM
Correct
You're actually agreeing with what I said or correcting some mistakes in my post?
-Rakai'Thwei
Agreeing.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 25, 2010, 08:44:49 PM
Agreeing.
Ah.
But yeah.. either way, Predator 2 is under-rated to the point where it's a crime. Not literally, but it's a damn shame for it to be seen as the "bastard child" when it's really a diamond in the rough.
-Rakai'Thwei
Too damn right, my friend.
Im not just thinking about the dvd supplements, i think there was some interview further back in fangoria or somewhere when he mentions Predator 2 as a dissapointing sequel. But the references are obvious in avp, like the elder pred "the blowfish pred" with the red cape flying over to Lex at the end giving her the magic mark from the comic book for example.;) Im sure he liked the movie, but ever since its been released nobody liked predator 2. Just like nobody liked Ghostbusters 2 for some reason.
I just hope it does not affect Predators in anyway by ignoring predator 2.
I doubt it will. Using AvP as an example, I know it's a bad example, but for the sake of making a point I'm using it. AvP, to my recollection never even mentioned P1 or P2, and the movie wasn't affected by it. I hope the same in Predators since they aren't giving P2 its due.
They used some concepts from P2. Scar examined Weyland. He was very sick and he let him go.. (untill he messed it up) much like the Predator in P2 letting the pregnant cop go.
I'm not talking about using concepts, I'm talking about mentioning the events of the previous films.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 25, 2010, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 25, 2010, 08:44:49 PM
Agreeing.
Ah.
But yeah.. either way, Predator 2 is under-rated to the point where it's a crime. Not literally, but it's a damn shame for it to be seen as the "bastard child" when it's really a diamond in the rough.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 25, 2010, 08:49:08 PM
Too damn right, my friend.
*Joining the group*
I`m totally with you guys. 8)
Quote from: Master on Jan 26, 2010, 09:15:48 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 25, 2010, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 25, 2010, 08:44:49 PM
Agreeing.
Ah.
But yeah.. either way, Predator 2 is under-rated to the point where it's a crime. Not literally, but it's a damn shame for it to be seen as the "bastard child" when it's really a diamond in the rough.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 25, 2010, 08:49:08 PM
Too damn right, my friend.
*Joining the group*
I`m totally with you guys. 8)
Could I join to your group? :)
Me too?
Quote from: Sylizar on Jan 26, 2010, 11:53:02 AM
Me too?
I didn't hear any word of protest, so... Come on quickly! ;D ;D
Hell yeah!
I read script and overall I think it will be cool
Not so sure about alternate ending cos does seem bit daft plus most people will be like WTF especially as they not read rodriguez original draft
Royce sounds great character on paper and Brody is good actor so hopefully can do a good job (saw a pic on set he looks the part surprisingly)
Hanzo v predator wasnt sure of at first but as it finishes with both killing each other think its ok as long as they do good choreography (if a tough cop can beat a predator through experience a badass yakuza can, also predators are of different levels of ability just as humans are)
music gonna be big part silvestri is a must!
i dont have a problem with BSPs but i would have preferred original predator to beat one of the BSPs then get killed by the lead BSP at the end after an epic fight
Is it me or does the alternate ending really, really, REALLY suck?!
Spoiler
Why the hell would Arnold be the one under the Pred armor leading all these Preds? Its blasphemy!
I thought both of them sucked.
Quote from: SM on Feb 04, 2010, 03:24:52 AM
I thought both of them sucked.
I think the one they filmed wasn't scripted though.
Isn't the film's ending Adrien Brody sacrificing himself?
I haven't heard of such a thing.
QuoteIsn't the film's ending Adrien Brody sacrificing himself?
Isn't the one in the leaked script kinda self sacrificing already ?
Spoiler
Staying and saving the girl instead of flying off the planet with the only ship available ?
In the end, he's kinda f**ked, whereas he had the opportunity to save himself in the first place.
Not if the Ahnuld cameo makes it through.
I tried but I don't feel like reading 66 pages. Is there another script,or at least some changes from the original, other then the one the OP posted? I ask this because a few posts above, someone talks about the one they filmed being unscripted and also Brody sacrificing himself, which isn't in the one I read..
The script which leaked has been re-drafted, so there are possibly many changes.
I really enjoyed the script;D, didn't find much wrong with it apart from the endings which were in my opinion rushed. But other than that I couldn't find much wrong with it. :P
The stroy is good and does justice for the Predator franchise and I was really impressed with the characters, very similar to the original.
Funny enough, I was talking to someone (I don't think it's been announced so I'd rather not say who) who is working on the Predators comic book adapation and they haven't even seen the script yet.
Quote from: HannibalKing on Feb 13, 2010, 03:44:02 AM
Funny enough, I was talking to someone (I don't think it's been announced so I'd rather not say who) who is working on the Predators comic book adapation and they haven't even seen the script yet.
Dark Horse is actually doing a Predators comic book adaptation?
Also, how can we take your word, honestly? This could be just a rumor and nothing more.
-Rakai'Thwei
I'd rather you not believe me so I don't get anyone in trouble lol. Point of the message being that I found it funny that we've had more exposure to the film than those working on the adaption, but I should have seen that response coming. I'll PM you about it, but I'd rather not talk about it beyond the point of my post.
As for taking my word for what it is, well, this is the internet... I know I'm honest, but that doesn't mean people should or would believe me until it was official regardless of what I say. :P
I'll be waiting on that PM..
-Rakai'Thwei
Now that that's out of the way.
Sadly enough, in light of the 2 different possible endings, I'm wondering on what the plan is. If Brody is signed on for more and they're thinking of storylines for sequels already, it makes me curious as to how either 2 ending would lead into another.
As a pre-cautionary note: Sorry if it was brought up before, there are quite a few pages.
Quote from: HannibalKing on Feb 13, 2010, 05:27:08 AM
Now that that's out of the way.
Sadly enough, in light of the 2 different possible endings, I'm wondering on what the plan is. If Brody is signed on for more and they're thinking of storylines for sequels already, it makes me curious as to how either 2 ending would lead into another.
As a pre-cautionary note: Sorry if it was brought up before, there are quite a few pages.
Brody signing up for sequels doesn't mean anything. I mean Sanaa Lathan signed up for the sequel to AvP but that never happened.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: HannibalKing on Feb 13, 2010, 05:35:47 AM
I know it doesn't mean anything as those types of contracts are always in place just in case, but it was more of a hypothetical question anyway. Of course I actually rather have a different character for any sequal anyway. I just get this feeling that a direct sequel involving Brody would end up moving even further away from what the first film was all about. Moreso with the Arnold ending.
Actually, I'm expecing sequels based either on the Predator vs Super Predator clan war which is implied in one of the scenes in the leaked script, and I'd prefer that sequel over anything else, or.. sequels based on the unused ideas of Rodriguez's original script.
It wouldn't surprise me if Rodriguez wanted to do the whole gladiator thing. Which I really do not want to see. I'd rather see and learn more about the history of the clan war between the mainstream Predators and the mutant abominations which are the Super Predators. There has to be something which sparked that war which could be explained in a possible sequel.
-Rakai'Thwei
Yeah, it could be cool, I'm just worried about change. Not like Predators isn't quite a change already.
Quote from: HannibalKing on Feb 13, 2010, 05:46:11 AM
Yeah, it could be cool, I'm just worried about change. Not like Predators isn't quite a change already.
Hey, how do you think I feel?
I mean I also fear change too concerning the creature. I don't think that they should change the culture in the newer installments. I mean they introduced a different strain of Predators, and already thats generated enough controversy amongst fans. Some fans are open to the idea, others are not.
I happen to be part of the latter though.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2010, 05:51:32 AM
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Yeah, it could be cool, I'm just worried about change. Not like Predators isn't quite a change already.
Hey, how do you think I feel?
I mean I also fear change too concerning the creature. I don't think that they should change the culture in the newer installments. I mean they introduced a different strain of Predators, and already thats generated enough controversy amongst fans. Some fans are open to the idea, others are not.
I happen to be part of the latter though.
-Rakai'Thwei
I understand where your coming from, but for me i wouldnt mind seeing a new type of predator, as long as they dont ferk it up! I have feeling lot of success on this movie and how it appeals to the fans could be lingering on these Black Super Predators...
And also can someone give me brief overview of script? My computer to damn slow to download it and to lazy to read all of the post here :P
I'm surprised none of you are concerned that the planet they're on according to Rodriquez is the actual Predator home planet.
And if they do scrap the Super Pred's idea and make them out to be normal bad blood pred's, I'd like to see the bad blood's stick to there original look, Unarmoured, savage, animalistic, tribal, etc. The look that really distinguishes them from the Originals. If they keep the super pred concept, and allow the BSP to kill our beloved original in the film, I will personally track down Rodriquez and bitch slap him.
Quote from: TrikSta on Feb 19, 2010, 05:11:55 PM
I'm surprised none of you are concerned that the planet they're on according to Rodriquez is the actual Predator home planet.
When was that ever said?
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Quote from: TrikSta on Feb 19, 2010, 05:11:55 PM
I'm surprised none of you are concerned that the planet they're on according to Rodriquez is the actual Predator home planet.
When was that ever said?
http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=11949
The last sentence.
Quote from: TrikSta on Feb 23, 2010, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 19, 2010, 09:33:14 PM
Quote from: TrikSta on Feb 19, 2010, 05:11:55 PM
I'm surprised none of you are concerned that the planet they're on according to Rodriquez is the actual Predator home planet.
When was that ever said?
http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=11949
The last sentence.
Just cause a shitty website said it, don't make it true.. It's never said in the script...
^^ True, has good point. But if not their home planet then what is it supposed to be? Some offshot world where there is Predator clans living on?
A hunting ground of sorts.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 24, 2010, 03:40:18 AM
A hunting ground of sorts.
I like the idea of Predators having safari planets, it works, but them kidnapping prey and placing them on there just to genetically enhance themselves? Not so much.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 24, 2010, 03:47:45 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Feb 24, 2010, 03:40:18 AM
A hunting ground of sorts.
I like the idea of Predators having safari planets, it works, but them kidnapping prey and placing them on there just to genetically enhance themselves? Not so much.
-Rakai'Thwei
Yeah I agree, even a Bad Blood would consider genetic enhancement weak.
So in the regular ending, what the hell happens to Edwin? The script is very vague on this point.
He dies.
Quote[ But if not their home planet then what is it supposed to be? Some offshot world where there is Predator clans living on?
Game park planet.
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2010, 11:50:45 PM
He dies.
Quote[ But if not their home planet then what is it supposed to be? Some offshot world where there is Predator clans living on?
Game park planet.
Ahh ok, didnt think of that
An interesting little thought.... Where the f**k does Royce get the AA-12 from?
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 26, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
An interesting little thought.... Where the f**k does Royce get the AA-12 from?
He may have it with him from the very start i.e. before he gets taken by the Predator.
Quote from: Royce on Feb 26, 2010, 02:05:00 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 26, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
An interesting little thought.... Where the f**k does Royce get the AA-12 from?
He may have it with him from the very start i.e. before he gets taken by the Predator.
I assumed that but it's not mentioned in the script for ages... Maybe 10-12 minutes in... Just terrible writing
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 26, 2010, 02:44:25 AM
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Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 26, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
An interesting little thought.... Where the f**k does Royce get the AA-12 from?
He may have it with him from the very start i.e. before he gets taken by the Predator.
I assumed that but it's not mentioned in the script for ages... Maybe 10-12 minutes in... Just terrible writing
Then again, the draft we read was just an early draft. Changes have happened. We'll see.
Quote from: Royce on Feb 26, 2010, 03:00:45 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 26, 2010, 02:44:25 AM
Quote from: Royce on Feb 26, 2010, 02:05:00 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 26, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
An interesting little thought.... Where the f**k does Royce get the AA-12 from?
He may have it with him from the very start i.e. before he gets taken by the Predator.
I assumed that but it's not mentioned in the script for ages... Maybe 10-12 minutes in... Just terrible writing
Then again, the draft we read was just an early draft. Changes have happened. We'll see.
Oh yeah changes have happened alright.. Doesn't stop it being awful scriptwriting
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 26, 2010, 03:13:35 AM
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Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 26, 2010, 02:44:25 AM
Quote from: Royce on Feb 26, 2010, 02:05:00 AM
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 26, 2010, 12:54:00 AM
An interesting little thought.... Where the f**k does Royce get the AA-12 from?
He may have it with him from the very start i.e. before he gets taken by the Predator.
I assumed that but it's not mentioned in the script for ages... Maybe 10-12 minutes in... Just terrible writing
Then again, the draft we read was just an early draft. Changes have happened. We'll see.
Oh yeah changes have happened alright.. Doesn't stop it being awful scriptwriting
Like I said, we will see.
I've read it.
Wow. I don't know what to say. Maybe...
It looks like it was written by an overexcited 13-years old Marvel nerd?
Writers are so incompetent that they often misspell the name of the main character?
The alternate ending is so atrocious it left me shocked and disgusted for an hour?
It's so f**king cheesy they even have the obligatory "Look at me! We're going to do this together, hokay?"-part?
Characters are so flat and stereotypical that I feel personally offended by the presence of Nikolai?
Well, I really don't know what to say, because nothing is going to describe my disgust. Mr. Rodriguez... just keep making Spy Kids and don't touch the legend.
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2010, 11:50:45 PM
He dies.
Yeah, that much is obvious but how? He looks into her eyes and screams, it's not clear what happens.
Quote from: szuran on Feb 26, 2010, 06:57:08 PM
I've read it.
Wow. I don't know what to say. Maybe...
It looks like it was written by an overexcited 13-years old Marvel nerd?
Writers are so incompetent that they often misspell the name of the main character?
The alternate ending is so atrocious it left me shocked and disgusted for an hour?
It's so f**king cheesy they even have the obligatory "Look at me! We're going to do this together, hokay?"-part?
Characters are so flat and stereotypical that I feel personally offended by the presence of Nikolai?
Well, I really don't know what to say, because nothing is going to describe my disgust. Mr. Rodriguez... just keep making Spy Kids and don't touch the legend.
Writers are so incompetant they put question marks at the end of facts and opinions???!? Nice job.
Quote from: Sylizar on Feb 27, 2010, 03:55:11 AM
Quote from: szuran on Feb 26, 2010, 06:57:08 PM
I've read it.
Wow. I don't know what to say. Maybe...
It looks like it was written by an overexcited 13-years old Marvel nerd?
Writers are so incompetent that they often misspell the name of the main character?
The alternate ending is so atrocious it left me shocked and disgusted for an hour?
It's so f**king cheesy they even have the obligatory "Look at me! We're going to do this together, hokay?"-part?
Characters are so flat and stereotypical that I feel personally offended by the presence of Nikolai?
Well, I really don't know what to say, because nothing is going to describe my disgust. Mr. Rodriguez... just keep making Spy Kids and don't touch the legend.
Writers are so incompetant they put question marks at the end of facts and opinions???!? Nice job.
In fairness at least he isn't being paid to write... Those two hacks are though... While I like the story and some of the set pieces and ideas in the script... The way the script itself is written is dreadful
I'm thinking it wouldn't matter how the script turned out, too many hardcore fans would find a way too be unhappy.
@sylizar
"Writers are so incompetant they put question marks at the end of facts and opinions???!?"
Read my post again.
"I don't know what to say. Maybe...
(...)?"
Those are propositions of the proper statement that would sum up all my disgust towards the script. So, who's more incompetent now - writer or reader?:)
It'd still make more sense without the question marks.
Yeah, but it won't make the script better.:)
I'm really worried about how this movie is going to turn out.
I suppose, I guess you'll just have to trust that the re-writes changed some of thestuff you didn't like.
Man this has grown insanely long o_O lol my eyes hurt trying to read all of this
Quote from: Sylizar on Feb 27, 2010, 06:27:45 PM
I suppose, I guess you'll just have to trust that the re-writes changed some of thestuff you didn't like.
It's not like it's been rewritten by someone else... Any rewrites will have been done by either the 2 hacks that did the new draft or by Rodriguez himself... None of whom can write a decent script
Must. Not. Download. ::)
...download. ;D
It's an old draft anyway, hopefully it has been altered now. :)
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 28, 2010, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on Feb 27, 2010, 06:27:45 PM
I suppose, I guess you'll just have to trust that the re-writes changed some of thestuff you didn't like.
It's not like it's been rewritten by someone else... Any rewrites will have been done by either the 2 hacks that did the new draft or by Rodriguez himself... None of whom can write a decent script
You really dislike the Predators script, eh
Quote from: Royce on Mar 04, 2010, 07:36:33 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 28, 2010, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on Feb 27, 2010, 06:27:45 PM
I suppose, I guess you'll just have to trust that the re-writes changed some of thestuff you didn't like.
It's not like it's been rewritten by someone else... Any rewrites will have been done by either the 2 hacks that did the new draft or by Rodriguez himself... None of whom can write a decent script
You really dislike the Predators script, eh
I like the story... I like the premise... I don't like the writers and the way they've written the script...
i just finished whole script and i must say not as bad as i imagined but i dislike the alternate ending only because it conflicts with a comic storie i am working on that would introduce a new character. it would be a 4 part minisieris with an open ending leaveing a great character for comic stories and i dont like dutch being the leader of predators, mybe a predator and in thier crew but not the leader.
I did not like the script very much, but I hated both endings. I hated them so much. I also wonder what was with Isabelle's last line, "I might have a few..."
Quote from: szuran on Feb 27, 2010, 06:20:29 AM
@sylizar
"Writers are so incompetant they put question marks at the end of facts and opinions???!?"
Read my post again.
"I don't know what to say. Maybe...
(...)?"
Those are propositions of the proper statement that would sum up all my disgust towards the script. So, who's more incompetent now - writer or reader?:)
It's still the writer...you.
What you're assuming you're doing is using a
TAG QUESTION. A tag question is a device used to turn a statement into a question. It nearly always consists of a pronoun, a helping verb, and sometimes the word not. Although it begins as a statement, the tag question prevails when it comes to the end-mark: use a question mark. Notice that when the statement is positive, the tag question is expressed in the negative; when the statement is negative, the tag question is positive. (There are a few exceptions to this, frequently expressing an element of surprise or sarcasm: "So you've made your first million, have you?" "Oh, that's your plan, is it?") This is obviously not the case with your sentence structure.
If you're going to try to
appear smart...at least do it well. ::)
Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Mar 07, 2010, 07:26:05 AM
I did not like the script very much, but I hated both endings. I hated them so much. I also wonder what was with Isabelle's last line, "I might have a few..."
im sure rewrites have changed the ending. i am a little confused by the scripts endings, especially regarding isabell. what was that all about with her vs edwin when her eyes (no more spoiling, those who read the script know what im on about)?
The script has a lot of potential, no-one can really say how it will look, it's down to the visual effects and the eye of the film makers. But the alternative ending with Arnie really sucks, why not just wait until the next film (fingers crossed) and have him as a main character. I mean the line "Nice Kid" sounds like Indiana Jones would've said not Dutch, he'd of said something like "Your one pair of lucky bastards" while puffing on a cigar.
And what about taking down minigun bullets in mid-air? ::)
Quote from: Master on Mar 07, 2010, 06:27:50 PM
And what about taking down minigun bullets in mid-air? ::)
The ultimate smart weapon, and its not a minigun, its a four barrelled GshG gatlin type machine gun - may be a minigun would get through the Preds defences.
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Quote from: Federick Gonsa on Mar 07, 2010, 07:26:05 AM
I did not like the script very much, but I hated both endings. I hated them so much. I also wonder what was with Isabelle's last line, "I might have a few..."
im sure rewrites have changed the ending. i am a little confused by the scripts endings, especially regarding isabell. what was that all about with her vs edwin when her eyes (no more spoiling, those who read the script know what im on about)?
Yeah, that part was a a big WTF. The thing is that they leave it at that in the normal ending, but they explain it a little bit more in the alternate ending. I don't know if you noticed this, but the beggining parts of the script are well written and fairly entertaining. The last parts are the ones that get lazy and seem rushed. Of course, I am sure that there have been re-writes since then.
it was pretty good i liked the description of the jowly predator
Quote from: Doomofman on Mar 04, 2010, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: Royce on Mar 04, 2010, 07:36:33 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 28, 2010, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on Feb 27, 2010, 06:27:45 PM
I suppose, I guess you'll just have to trust that the re-writes changed some of thestuff you didn't like.
It's not like it's been rewritten by someone else... Any rewrites will have been done by either the 2 hacks that did the new draft or by Rodriguez himself... None of whom can write a decent script
You really dislike the Predators script, eh
I like the story... I like the premise... I don't like the writers and the way they've written the script...
But that was probably the best part.
I liked the script aswell, plus im sure they possibly changed certain aspects of it buy now
I thought the July draft was decent and no where near as bad as some people made it out to be.
glad i didnt read it.
I liked it, for the most part. But the alternate ending has to go for me. Way to cheesy.
Quote from: Travis Scott on Mar 07, 2010, 10:16:02 PM
I liked it, for the most part. But the alternate ending has to go for me. Way to cheesy.
cheese can be good.......but it needs to reflect the material,and predator isnt all about arnie.
Quote from: paddy1973 on Mar 07, 2010, 10:24:20 PM
Quote from: Travis Scott on Mar 07, 2010, 10:16:02 PM
I liked it, for the most part. But the alternate ending has to go for me. Way to cheesy.
cheese can be good.......but it needs to reflect the material,and predator isnt all about arnie.
Yeah but why would creatures like Predators make a human their leader? Who cares if he survived one battle, and barely might I add. Just stupid. RR's way of "cool" I guess. Especially the way he said it in the script, like it was some godly scene. I read that part and thought about barfing.
For me it all comes down to adapting the characters well to the screen. It needs good actors and characters instead of a bunch of people who should be in a zit commercial like in AVP-R.
You need strong characters as to not just look like you are coming up with an excuse to throw predators on the screen.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 07, 2010, 09:26:28 PM
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Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 28, 2010, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on Feb 27, 2010, 06:27:45 PM
I suppose, I guess you'll just have to trust that the re-writes changed some of thestuff you didn't like.
It's not like it's been rewritten by someone else... Any rewrites will have been done by either the 2 hacks that did the new draft or by Rodriguez himself... None of whom can write a decent script
You really dislike the Predators script, eh
I like the story... I like the premise... I don't like the writers and the way they've written the script...
But that was probably the best part.
What? Their script writing is awful. Feels like it's been written by a 12 year old.
I have read both scripts, twice, and I have played a few games, read a few of the comics, seen each movie several times, etc., etc. What I am about to say may just get a few hackles up, but it is my opinion, and I will voice it as I see it.
There is no set canon to anything dealing with the Predator, nor the Predator culture, realm, home world, lifestyle, etc. Nothing. Nota. Zip. Zilch. Take for example, the game Concrete Jungle and Alien -vs- Predator.
Obviously Concrete Jungle borrowed from the Movie AvP, and in several aspects. Concrete Jungle also borrowed from the original Predator and Predator 2. The game also involved a bit of vampire lore when it incorporated the Borgia clan. However, the game plays into little canon, and it can't, just like nothing else written, filmed, or designed can. The question is why.
The movie Predator came first in June 12, 1987. Now, if we take that as the canon of the entire Predator lore, then we have to take a closer look at the comics which came next. Some of them took a wild spin from the movie, as did the novels, as with the comics came before Predator, which follows the original Predator in it's canon. So, with those two aspects alone we basically have two sets of canon. Now enter the AvP series of events.
Here the comics came before the movie, but the movie itself jammed quite a bit of differing comic canon, novel canon, and original movie canon into itself via the writers and director. Now we have no less than five differing canon. Comic 1, comic 2, novel, movie (original) and movie (AvP).
Now, add in that no one has talked about the space jockeys, and I have read no less than four differing opinions on that. Roughly outlined...
1. Space jockey harbored alien/xeno, and spread throughout the universe, but why? No one has written or said why.
2. Space jockey had a 'war' against Predator, Predator won and took alien/xeno as hunting/ritual into culture.
3. Space jockey has alien/xeno, and from there spawns Alien, but again nothing was elaborated on from that movie as to why they (jockeys) had them.
4. Predator had alien/xeno, as did Jockey, and from there they went throughout the universe doing ...*shrugs*...with alien/xeno.
...so we are left with who had the alien/xeno first, why the jockeys had them, and if Predator really had them first or not.
What are we up to in the canon count now? I lost count, and don't care. No one has written a true canon yet, filmed a full movie about the lore of Predators, and frankly no one can. The Predator does not bring in enough in fan base to bring about several sequel movies other than what we have. They are not Transformers, Jason Vorhees, or even Harry Potter, so we will have to deal with what we get, and be happy with that much.
We can all argue about whether or not they have hunting dogs and falcons, if they hunted triceratops, if they use the alien/xeno for hunting for spiritual or ritual, or even for fun, but I liked both scripts for what they were and I actually liked each equally well in their own right. Yes, I would have changed a thing or two, or written something different here or there, but what we have is an 'artist's impression' on a canon we don't truly have. I have enjoyed each comic, novel game, and movie, and I see, read, and play each that I can. Just be happy we have more than what we did, and go on with it. I mean we could have had only the original movie and that been the end of it right?
Quote from: Doomofman on Mar 08, 2010, 12:11:16 AM
What? Their script writing is awful. Feels like it's been written by a 12 year old.
The writing style irked me too.
I seriously doubt anyone here would write a much better script.
speak for yourself
Quote from: Doomofman on Mar 08, 2010, 12:11:16 AM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Mar 07, 2010, 09:26:28 PM
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Quote from: Doomofman on Feb 28, 2010, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Sylizar on Feb 27, 2010, 06:27:45 PM
I suppose, I guess you'll just have to trust that the re-writes changed some of thestuff you didn't like.
It's not like it's been rewritten by someone else... Any rewrites will have been done by either the 2 hacks that did the new draft or by Rodriguez himself... None of whom can write a decent script
You really dislike the Predators script, eh
I like the story... I like the premise... I don't like the writers and the way they've written the script...
But that was probably the best part.
What? Their script writing is awful. Feels like it's been written by a 12 year old.
No, it was different and punchy.
Quote from: Royce on Mar 08, 2010, 06:16:02 AM
I seriously doubt anyone here would write a much better script.
Those writers did make it to Hollywood...I give them huge credit for that.
the way most fans see it, movies are canon, comics, games, novels etc are not.
although everyone hates them, i consider both avp movies canon too. it doesnt ruin the canon of other alien/predator movies either really, though some try to argue otherwise.
pred culture is unknown except the hunters in the movies, and with the new movie it is shown that there is cultural conflict (between preds and s. preds) so there is a little more info. obviously the preds arent just hunters in the fictional universe (hey, they might have cops, farmers, artists etc on their home world) but as per movies, hunting is a major part of their culture. that is true even in the comics etc, so that bit of lore IS canon! so yes! there is plenty predator canon (even if many fans dismiss some of it).
I thought the script was alright until both endings ESPECIALLY the alternate ending. It's needs a little fixing here and there but hopefully that has been done. If Dutch makes a cameo I don't think it should be on the pred planet, it should be at a owlf lab or something.
I think Jim & John Thomas have a good idea of what is canon, since Predator is their creation, with the creature coming from Stan Winston and a little input from Jim Cameron (mandibles). I'll give Shane Black kudos for most of Predator's awesome one liners, otherwise I'm unsure of his contributions (or other contributors). If anyone's to create a Predator history/canon, I'd like to hear the Thomas' story. Others' interpretations have been ... shit. Anderson and Salerno, I wouldn't call what they wrote 'contributions'.
Just finished reading the script. Its not bad, really. It has a lot of potential to be a really fun action flick. The two endings both kinda suck. The first one reads way to abrupt, the second is just a hueg W.T.F. Terrible cameo for Dutch, too... Doesnt even fit his character or anything.
I think the Script is amazing really. The characters WORK...and I actually cared for a few of them.
Only issue, the alternate endings. That's it. The rest? Amazing.
Not just the alternate ending, the 'real' ending too. They both suck.
Spoiler
Does the female character die in the script? And what was her name again?
Spoiler
No, in the first draft at least, Isabelle does make it to the end.
Quote from: Pinkman on Mar 19, 2010, 06:22:41 PM
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No, in the first draft at least, Isabelle does make it to the end.
Spoiler
Hopefully in the final film that's changed. I'm all for seeing Royce all alone against the BSP.
At least we now know there won't be a Dutch ending. I'm just wish they had got someone more badass to play Nolan.
How the new preds are seen in the teaser compared to the script, they might be on the right track. I still don't like the idea of it, but it does do something the franchise needs. It makes the predator a villain again.
In p1 the predator was badass, but you were rooting for dutch. Every film after that, it changed. The predator over shadowed the good guys or became one. Its almost the same thing for aliens as well.
The core heroes need to be good enough that you really don't want to see them get offed. You only want to see the annoying supporting cast members get killed. Billy and bill pax are 2 examples of supporting cast members you don't want to see get offed, but are kind of needed to get the final one on one battle set up and make it feel like the last guy doesn't stand a chance. While we have no clue if there will be any good supporting characters in the final film, The classic predator versus the new kind will serve that purpose.
This brings up another interesting thing. Its been around 20 years since p1 came out. The predator we all grew up with is too cool in our eyes for us not to like him. No matter what he does or how shitty of a movie he is in. Very few actors could go up against that and get the audience on their side. Putting the original style pred against the newer hated ones works for that reason.
Finally the bsp adds some lost mystery to them. We still don't quite know what they look like under the mask. When the mask comes off in this movie, its going to be interesting to see what everybody's reactions are.
Spoiler
I really really don't like the fact that the original pred loses though. it just kinda bothers me.
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Quote from: Pinkman on Mar 19, 2010, 06:22:41 PM
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No, in the first draft at least, Isabelle does make it to the end.
Spoiler
Hopefully in the final film that's changed. I'm all for seeing Royce all alone against the BSP.
Spoiler
I hope for the exact contrary. it isn't appealing to see a woman killed out
Spoiler
You don't need to use the spoiler tags on a thread that says !!!SPOILERS in the title.
Quote from: SM on Mar 21, 2010, 10:30:56 PM
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You don't need to use the spoiler tags on a thread that says !!!SPOILERS in the title.
Spoiler
Why did you spoil that !!! :P
Ok, couldn't help myself! I READ IT! AAAAAARRRRRRGHHH!
HUH... SPOILERS INBOUND...
So, the action was good, the hunting description was good, the dialogue minimalistic, obviously! Too many first P movie references! I give Nikolai and Hanzo the best deaths in Predator movies! Hell, the best in a long while actually!
The visual sequences [namely, the awesome (on paper) Super Predator vision cycles, the Predator looks and moves) they will have to be remainded to the movie itself...
I will definitely watch it... On paper,there are a couple of bumps here and there, but generally speaking, the script sounds good and in terms of action and fluidity of narrative, it is gonna be very entertaining on the big screen...
Now, despite the script being good, it still requires to be put on film and that is where some doubts surface:
First of all, how much of it will be filmed? Or trimmed?
The script works well as a whole, but we all know, for instance, that AVP suffered greatly from way too many deleted pages of the script...among other troubles, of course... from five Predators to only three, no Yutani, etc...
If this is the shooting script, then kudos...It is perfect... The descriptions are terrific, now we wonly need to watch if what sounds great on paper, will LOOK terrific on screen... :P (I am not stiking my tongue out, rather salivating!) :o :D
The best script I read since Batman Begins! ;)
The alternate endings are my biggest problem with the script: in one ending, Royce and Isabelle stay there and probably will populate the planet! In the other, a ridiculous cameo of Arnie AS PREDATOR! WTF!?!?!? Good thing Arnie passed on that one! He probably said the same thing I did when HE read the script! :o :-X
Here's hoping there's a third one...! ::)
Quote from: Pinkman on Mar 19, 2010, 06:22:41 PM
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No, in the first draft at least, Isabelle does make it to the end.
DON'T TELL ME WE HAVE ANOTHER RIPLEY?!?!
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Mar 28, 2010, 12:10:12 AM
Quote from: Pinkman on Mar 19, 2010, 06:22:41 PM
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No, in the first draft at least, Isabelle does make it to the end.
DON'T TELL ME WE HAVE ANOTHER RIPLEY?!?!
After reading the script I have to say that she doesn't remind me of Ripley at all.
It hasn't even crossed my mind.
But then again I haven't really compared them, I don't think they got that much in common besides being females trying to survive the situation they're in.
That would pretty much describe any chick in a thriller or a horror movie.
I never got a Ripley vibe at all.
Ripley?!
Yes, remember?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lambiek.net%2Fartists%2Fr%2Fripley_robert_l%2Fripley_robertl_believit.jpg&hash=cd7989287528962d411610477b64fd73d04a95f7)
I see Finch and Litvak have been hired to write a Masters of the Universe script
Quote from: Doomofman on Apr 12, 2010, 03:39:15 PM
I see Finch and Litvak have been hired to write a Masters of the Universe script
someone goes to harry's a lot.lol :P
I've finally had a skim read of the script and I think that overall it is OK. Its not good and miles away from being great but its much better than AVP2. It is a story that has potential and if certain revisions and changes are made then I can see this as being better than AVP. As for the endings they are weak and need to be improved.
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Nolan's death is surprising. The guy's been on the planet for "thousands of days" and he suffers a quick death. I don't really care though because in reality even the most experienced and knowledgeable of us can wound up mince meat with a small mistake. His death sort of reminds me of King Willie's death in Predator.
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I really don't dig some of the new Predator weapons such as the chain shooting plasma-caster. It is far from realistic and reminds me of Scorpion from Mortal Kombat. Cartoony and corny... needs fixing.
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Finally, I really don't like the outcome of the Classic Predator vs. Black Super Predator. The whole time I was reading the script I felt as though there was a setup to finale between the two creatures with the Classic winning. He should have won.
Overall, I think that this movie has its potential. I know it won't click with the critics that well with its cliched characters and recycled ideas, but it will fare better than the last two AVP movies.
In my oppinio this could be a great movie if they do it right but it has potential to be worse than avpr if rr and crew do it bad
Quote from: Super Black Predator on Apr 18, 2010, 09:06:43 PM
In my oppinio this could be a great movie if they do it right but it has potential to be worse than avpr if rr and crew do it bad
AvPR's script was shit,nothing to salvage from it.
Predators script can at least be salvaged somewhat,it could possibly be turned into a solid action flick,time will tell.
Alright so I made a account SOLELY to post this tidbit (I lurk these forums but have never been inclined to post)
FIRST- As has been mentioned this "script" was not touched by Nimrod, and he and RR both have stated they made alterations
SECOND- This script was rushed, it was a rushed revision so they had a "shooting" script for Nimrod and RR to work with
THIRD- RR clearly stated in his Q&A chats that the script contained FAKE endings, they had a seperate shooting ending ready that he only shared with Nimrod once he came aboard so they could revise the script
FOURTH- Watch the trailer and all the character snippets, it's VERY clear there have been some changes, the movie on film (in what we have seen) flows a HELL of a lot better on screen than on paper.
FIFTH- They have CLEARLY stated they were staying true to the old Predator designs. Just because the idiots that wrote the script gave vague semi non descript and dissapointing details does not mean that will be how the SBP or SP looks.
I am personally excited for this, my passion for Preds and Aliens goes back to 88 when I first watched Alien. I am a huge fan and nearly have all the movies memorized (Except the AvP ones, but I have rewatched them just too see my Aliens and Preds! lol) I have been tracking this movie like crazy and from what I have read, scene, and heard, they got that script hammered out and this movie should rock!
Third - RR was clearly bullshitting... That stuff about the ending being there to track the script is a load of bollox... He's just embarrassed it leaked...
Fourth - Look at the trailer and you'll also find that it's VERY clear that a lot of the stuff from the script is exactly the same as what's appeared in the trailer
Fifth - RR and several others (including NECA employees) have said that the design for the head of the Super Preds is significantly different to the original design. Yes the original design is present in 1 predator but the 3 Super Preds are not 'true to the old Predator designs'
I have read the script but can't remember this. I wonder if this movie is going to have the famous Predator first aid scene :)
I don't know about the super preds... but the BLACK super pred... or Mr. Black... or whatever you want to call him is presumably the one with the jaw bone looking out of his helmet... and that certainly is NOT staying true to the original design... so I guess "Doomofman" is right and the only pred we'll see that will remind us of a "true" Pred is the Anytime model being released from the totem.
But hey, be open minded. Just look at the Queen Alien from ALIENS... I'm sure there where some doubters or even haters of that design, and now look... it's become a classic.
Maybe this will also happen with the new Pred designs... we'll just have to wait and see.
What I liked about the script, was that it hints a clan war... that there are different kind of Preds... now that really opens possibilities for a sequel... but only if there's a decent budget involved... how else would you want to show more than 10 Preds without bad CGI...
BTW both endings... the fake and the real one in the script are horrible... I hope this is one of the few things next to the dialogue that has changed... I would love to see something in the style of Pred 2... but then again... that's a fanboys dream...
QuoteBTW both endings... the fake and the real one in the script are horrible
Yes they are bad, but it sounds like there is a lot of suspense and action threw out the plot. The real ending was not all that bad, but they should add to it, or spice it up a bit.
Quotebut it sounds like there is a lot of suspense and action threw out the plot
Yep definitely. I would even go as far and say that there's not one boring or unesessary scene in the script. It's really fast paced... I'ts a long time since I read it and I've forgotten many things, but I remember that there was always action, suspense and thrill.
I'm also sure that the role of Noland has been given more importance in the final film compared to the script, which would really add a lot to the atmosphere...
Yeah, Noland was not that long in the script. It does look like they added more to him from watching the trailer. I can't wait for his video. I really like the sound of the Predators thermal modes and audio modes too. It looks like they are really gonna expand on the capabilities of their bio-mask. So far I really enjoyed the script. Only two and a half months to go.
I forgot or did it say in the script. What was special about Noland to get Prednapped?
Quote from: Mike The Wolf on Apr 23, 2010, 12:47:43 PM
I forgot or did it say in the script. What was special about Noland to get Prednapped?
i think he's supposed to be a navy seal.
QuoteI forgot or did it say in the script. What was special about Noland to get Prednapped?
i think he's supposed to be a navy seal.
Yep he's a navy seal, you will get the whole story in the comics.
Here you have a hint that the beginning of the comics is about him being a navy seal :
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A team of Navy Seals is in the midst of a firefight when it suddenly goes dark. They awake to find themselves in a new and more deadly environment, stalked by a strange enemy. One by one these special-ops officers are killed by an unseen threat, until only one man remains. All alone in a strange world, he must do what he knows best—survive against all odds.
source: AVPworld
Predators teaser now on iTunes Movie Trailer:
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/predators/ (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/predators/)
Am I the only one that dislikes both endings in the script? I understand its been stated these are false endings either way.
Also, I pray Noland has more time in the film versus script. He is actually the most interesting human in this movie. I actually wish they had gone with the comics as the frist film then have this film be the follow up.
Hell I'd even like a kind of prequel to Predators focusing on Noland AFTER he is all alone.
Nah... Both endings suck... Would be hard to do a decent ending without it being typical Happy Hollywood bullshit
I must say, I think most of the people here could've come up with better. sigh.......I can once again say I was right, off the bat.
your just a negative person aren't you Anto
Well the script isn't really that bad... it just ain't really good... but it's far better than any AVP script... not that this is difficult to achieve, but still.
I mean you can clearly see in the script... there are some strong scenes in there, which will remain in our minds for a long time, I'm sure.
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The Hanzo - Predator Fight could be a real epic battle if they do it right, and anytime vs. Mr. Black could also be stunning, as long as Anytime dies with dignity, Im fine with that.
But the endings are just horrible... and some things about the super preds are really killing the old franchise... but then again... this is a new franchise so, goes into new directions and tries to expand the universe for a change... so I can live with it...
just please let there be a proper ending to this film!!!
Quote from: Uncanny Psycho on May 05, 2010, 12:05:32 PM
your just a negative person aren't you Anto
Maybe... :D
Does sound like total bollox though.
Having said that, I pretty much canned it when I heard that Tucan was in it.
If RR keeps with the script (which the more I see the trailers and compare with the script, seem to be VERY close), Predators could go the route of "Signs"; great story, great start but slowly goes downhill into a crappy ending.
I love most of the script but there are certain areas (Noland, Secondtime, and ending) that I hope are re-thought and changed.
QuoteI love most of the script but there are certain areas (Noland, Secondtime, and ending) that I hope are re-thought and changed.
I like the script alot, I hope Nolands death gets changed, I like to see him actually fight one or something.
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Hanzo slicing a pred from shoulder to hip completely in half needs to change. Yeah he can still kill a pred just not by cutting it in half, also his sword should be a predator sword or something. I think the battle between Any Time 2 and Black has AT2 cutting black plasma caster barrel off at the tip. That sound ok. not great to me though.
There's one thing that seems to have changed as far as I see in the trailer :
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Hanzo seems to be victorious against the Pred he fights since he is seen together with Royce, Isabelle and Edwin on those dusty rocks... facing off Mr. Black... as far as I remember in the script Hanzo is dead by that time
No he's not.
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 06, 2010, 03:56:03 PM
There's one thing that seems to have changed as far as I see in the trailer :
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Hanzo seems to be victorious against the Pred he fights since he is seen together with Royce, Isabelle and Edwin on those dusty rocks... facing off Mr. Black... as far as I remember in the script Hanzo is dead by that time
that seen is b4 the hanzo sp fight when stans dies
Ah well... okay... forgot about the chonology...
I just thought of something. If RR wants us to fear the Predators shouldn't he have used innocent, but deadly people (ie Navy SEALs, Marines, etc) and not killers whom some people will probably cheer when they die like Stan, whom has killed 38 people.
Seriously, I'll be rooting for the predators.
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"If RR wants us to fear the Predators shouldn't he have used innocent, but deadly people (ie Navy SEALs, Marines, etc) and not killers whom some people will probably cheer when they die like Stan, whom has killed 38 people."
If RR wanted us to fear the Predators, he shouldn't have included this line in the script: "For the first time in its life, in some deep, dark recess of its gene-spliced , enhanced heart, it knows fear."
WTF?
I think that line ticked me off the most out of anything in the script. Predators NEVER feel fear. ESPECIALLY of Adrien Brody.
This could probably be a good movie if it wasn't for the Super Predators. Why did they make them so easy to kill? I seriously hope the script has changed.
The more I think about it, the more it seems RR is going along with you guys' feelings.
Think about it...
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Alot of people here whine about Wolf not being quiet and carefull enough. That he was too gung-ho, and it should have got him killed. The BSPs get killed easy, perhaps because they can't chill out ?
Also..
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I'm reading that there are Black Super Preds and non-Black Supers. What is the Difference between a non-Black Super and a regular (i.e. Pussyface or Anytime) ?
@ Anto
As far as I understood from the interviews, live chats and everything it goes something like this
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Mr. Black is a Black Super Predator, the one with the Jaw Bone. He's the leader of the hunting pack consisting two other Preds which are both "Super Preds" (man that sounds silly ::)). These 2 Super Preds are the Falconer(Birdface) and the Pred with the Tusks. While the BSP is meaner and bigger than the Super Preds, those Super Preds are superiour to the classic "anytime" Pred
Where'd you get this ?
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How did all of this come about ? Are super Preds genetically different ? Why then, have we only seen normal Preds up 'till now ? This all seems silly, and if the Explanation given isn't good enough I'm gonna throw a tantrum or two! "Oh sorry guys, the Preds you all have come to know and love are actually pretty lame. Why ? 'Coz I wanna make my own, and since its my movie they'll be better."
QuoteWhere'd you get this ?
Have you seen the Alex Litvak interview or the SWSX Presentation where Greg Nicotero compares the old Preds to the new Preds as the "Atracs vs. I Pods"
If not you should visit the "Predators Videos" - Thread or I can post them here if you want.
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Litvak says that those new Preds will make the old Preds look obsolete... I think nothing has to be said more. In a way it's exactly like you said: They want to tell us that the traditional Preds are cool and everything... but lame. The Preds have been "pussy"- and "stupefied" with the AVP franchise. Now they think: To bring back the Fear to the audience, we have to introduce something totally different and more brutal.
Have you read the script? Otherwise I could name you some scenes where it is actually shown that these Super Preds are at least from a different clan if not genetically different. There are even some guys here that think these new Preds are Bad Bloods that mutated themselves to gain power...
Anyway I'm afraid you'll have to throw your tantrum :-\ Sorry mate I really hoped for the same thing like you. I just hope that we don't get those Super Preds too different...
Dang!
Those people should be killed.
James Cameron or Ridly Scott should just stick to the Alien and Predator franchise for now on. Now this scirpt does seem better then AvP2 and AvP, but that's very easy to accomplish. I mean i bet anyone here on this thread could write a better script then them AvP movies ;D. Hope this script isn't the official one :/.
Quote from: Splinter on May 09, 2010, 09:30:17 PM
James Cameron or Ridly Scott should just stick to the Alien and Predator franchise for now on. Now this scirpt does seem better then AvP2 and AvP, but that's very easy to accomplish. I mean i bet anyone here on this thread could write a better script then them AvP movies ;D. Hope this script isn't the official one :/.
Well from the looks of it and sounds of it, it is. Everything in the trailer happens in the script.
the script we all read i think contains the same basic idea and plot points of what we get on film, but certain thigns will be twisted around and such. But the same basic idea!
A bad/decent script in the hands of a good director can become a great movie!
Thats true. But what good movies has this guy made ?
Kontroll was excellent, armored was actually well made just a bad script cause the story sucked (cant change that reli, and predators story dosnt reli suck per say), and vacancy was a decent low budget horror/suspense flick. I have huge amount of faith in Nim!
I must say, I've never heard of any of these. :-\
I would check em out, make Kontroll number 1 on your list! Its a Hungarian movie but you can watch with English subs! So worth it!
Kontroll is such a good f**king movie. Character development is good enough to the point where you actually give a crap for all the characters, ALL OF THEM.
Quote from: ShadowPred on May 11, 2010, 03:18:24 AM
Kontroll is such a good f**king movie. Character development is good enough to the point where you actually give a crap for all the characters, ALL OF THEM.
Yeah, was truly a great film all around.
noooooooooooooooooooooooo dutch cant be in this movie he just cant wtf gay ending
Has anyone noticed in the trailer that it is the 'tusked' predator that has royce by the throat?, you can see this if you freeze frame it. This is the scene with all the fire hindering the preds vision in the script (however in the script the pred is referred to as 'black')
As a new person here, I want to say thanks for putting the script up. I tried to resist reading it, but...
I'm about 30 pages in so far, and it's looking good.
(Although you guys seem to hate how it turns out.)
Quote from: brownie7 on May 27, 2010, 03:14:21 PM
As a new person here, I want to say thanks for putting the script up. I tried to resist reading it, but...
I'm about 30 pages in so far, and it's looking good.
(Although you guys seem to hate how it turns out.)
U should've waited its not long till the movie comes out now, and yes the two endings blow the alternate ending especially
Quote from: randy marsh on May 27, 2010, 05:37:05 PM
Quote from: brownie7 on May 27, 2010, 03:14:21 PM
As a new person here, I want to say thanks for putting the script up. I tried to resist reading it, but...
I'm about 30 pages in so far, and it's looking good.
(Although you guys seem to hate how it turns out.)
U should've waited its not long till the movie comes out now, and yes the two endings blow the alternate ending especially
I loved the script until the endings. The script was going full-bore, and then it just...stops. Dutch seemed unnessacary, and the original Isabelle ending seemed to leave too much open.
Quote from: Mr_Black on May 26, 2010, 10:46:16 PM
Has anyone noticed in the trailer that it is the 'tusked' predator that has royce by the throat?, you can see this if you freeze frame it. This is the scene with all the fire hindering the preds vision in the script (however in the script the pred is referred to as 'black')
That wasn't a tusk it was one of his dreadlocks.
I've heard that the leaked script was a fake.
Also, has anyone heard the really bad "clicking" noise the Pred in the new movie makes ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2jJOy8rzog
It wasn't fake, but since the leak, changes were made.
Yes RR clearly said that the main plot of the finished film is more or less like the leaked script, however some changes where made.
Maybe Nolan's role was extended.
Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jun 05, 2010, 07:55:35 PM
Maybe Nolan's role was extended.
I wish that, but I doubt it...
Well, the dogs are still in, so it matters not.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 05, 2010, 07:46:17 PM
Yes RR clearly said that the main plot of the finished film is more or less like the leaked script, however some changes where made.
That and along with, disappointingly, the Classic Predator's role being pretty much the same as well.
Just finished reading it.... I loved it but have two things I really disliked.
1. The characters seem really shallow. Like targets for the monsters with stereotypes attached.
2. The Black Super's unveiling of his face. We see it for a few seconds just before it gets smashed in? How about having him lose it during the battle with the Classic predator so he can intimidate Nolan and scare the audience a bit eh?!
But honestly I think both of these will turn out very different on film than on the script.
Also the ending isn't terrible- but I do not see that ending making onto film. It's just..awkward.
Quotebut I do not see that ending making onto film. It's just..awkward.
Yeah that's the right way to put it.
I don't see the shallowness of Royce's, Edwin's and Isabella's characters though... and they are the main part so I don't really worry about the acting.
The thing about the helmet being revealed to short before the end is true... I don't like that sequence anyway, it's too rushed in the script.
Let's hope that they changed it in the movie...
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 09, 2010, 01:34:27 PM
Quotebut I do not see that ending making onto film. It's just..awkward.
Yeah that's the right way to put it.
I don't see the shallowness of Royce's, Edwin's and Isabella's characters though... and they are the main part so I don't really worry about the acting.
The thing about the helmet being revealed to short before the end is true... I don't like that sequence anyway, it's too rushed in the script.
Let's hope that they changed it in the movie...
Yeah, I hated how the whole ending was rushed. Hopefully they slowed that down, and added a better alternate ending.
I didn't really like either endings. Out of the 2 the first one is much better tho.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Jun 06, 2010, 08:54:31 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 05, 2010, 07:46:17 PM
Yes RR clearly said that the main plot of the finished film is more or less like the leaked script, however some changes where made.
That and along with, disappointingly, the Classic Predator's role being pretty much the same as well.
That pretty much ruins it for me. >>
Did anyone really expect any Predator to live?
Tbh I hoped a clan of Predators would appear at the end WITHOUT Dutch.
But I didn't expect neither classic nor BSP to live... would be totally stupid from a narrative point of view.
They always die in all the movies so why should it be any diffrend here ?
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jun 17, 2010, 02:04:22 PM
Tbh I hoped a clan of Predators would appear at the end WITHOUT Dutch.
But I didn't expect neither classic nor BSP to live... would be totally stupid from a narrative point of view.
Yeah that's what I was expecting as well. A clan of Super Predators appearing at the end of the film like they did in Predator 2. But instead of sending Isabelle an Royce back onto the earth they kidnap and take them to the Predator homeworld to be studied. That would have been a great follow up and led onto a sequel. Besides...
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In the script, Noland mentions that every once and while someone kills a Super Predator and then they get taken and are dissected to be studied to see what makes them so powerful of a opponents.
No no.. Just have the clan show up... And end it there... Then you have major possibilities for where the sequel could go
But which clan should it be a regular Predator clan or a clan of Super Predators?
In my opinion it should be the regular clan. Because they want to find out how the Super Preds - plague can be wiped out. It would be cool if they observed the ending of the fight between Royce & BSP and seeing that Royce killed one of the BSP, they want to know how he did it, so they'll take him for examination.
I think if it were a clan of outcasts/Super Preds... well they would study Royce and kill him afterwards.
The Classics seem nicer :D ergo: more room for a decent story.
But I've to agree that the 1st film should just end with a clan of classic Preds arriving on the planet and targeting Royce ... THE END.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Jun 17, 2010, 03:17:50 PM
But which clan should it be a regular Predator clan or a clan of Super Predators?
Regulars cause the Supers would just kill them...
It was already done two times, in P2 and AvP. We don`t need it in this one.
And I would really dislike the sequel if it was set on the Predator homeworld.
And if it involved studying, and if it involved the gladiator idea.
No homeworld.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: Mr_Black on May 26, 2010, 10:46:16 PM
Has anyone noticed in the trailer that it is the 'tusked' predator that has royce by the throat?, you can see this if you freeze frame it. This is the scene with all the fire hindering the preds vision in the script (however in the script the pred is referred to as 'black')
Hmmm, isn't that the Nikolai/claymore/cave scene?
Overall I thought the script was pretty badass - ok, not a fan of the super preds or either of the 'endings' but God damn, I think it's gonna be a belter. Seems miles better than the AVP tripe.
Agreed. The script for this movie, though not perfect, is way better than anything either AVP movie could come up with. Though AVP did make up for it with neat production design, special effects and interesting background story. Hope this movie has those because if it does it will be among the best movies in the AVP/Predator franchises.
I also always thought something was off with Nolan when I read the script. I expected him to pull something like what he did and end up paying for it.
Yeah I thought the same too when I read the script. But its harder to imagine him pulling something off like that in the movie with the actor portraying him.
i dont want to read i cos i dont want to spoil the surprise. i need to be patience. :D
I made the same commitment... for three hours! Then I fell into my temptations and read the script anyway. As you can see I am a very weak willed person, but then again it is Predators.
the only thing i hated in the script was the black blood and thank god thats been changed
^ Same here. I am ever so thankful that they changed the Super Predator blood back to the traditional green, and I don't even think the Predator Dogs have black blood anymore.
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From footage that we've been seeing it looks as if they have red blood know. Just look at the fourth clip, the Max Set Exclusive Clip which shows the scene in which a Predator dog is going to attack Edwin right before its shot down by Isabella. Pause at about 01:54 and you'll see what I mean.
I was hoping that this movie would be reflective of Rodriguez's sin city adaptation (taking the comic book style to screen) much like James Cameron did with Aliens but after reading the script it seems more along the lines of Planet Terror which while better than than Death Proof was still not that great a movie. Also there's gonna be a "Machete" preview being shown for the first time when Predators gets released in theatres which makes a lot of sense now. The Yakuza sword fight scene will probobly be cool though , letting us see what we were only allowed to imagine with Billy in the first Predator movie (which is what a good sequel does-deliver us what the first movie left us wanting more of). All in all though I doubt this movie will be better than AVP (which pretty much sucked) and defenitely not anything close to what Aliens was/is.