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Title: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: CANNON on Oct 22, 2009, 10:09:43 AM
I wish that Directors/producers/writers whomever, took into consideration the fans outlook and input on a movie. Ya i know it sounds like a ridiculous thoguht, because of the large amount of fans. you couldnt possible please everyone and they would probaly be gettin an infinite amount of ideas flowing threw and you couldnt determine the good from the bad... But the directors should find a way to ask us our opinion so overall we are not dissipointed. Maybe using a Poll or a website to relay information. This would help keep the movie canon and would also prevent a RR upset.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Oct 22, 2009, 10:17:07 AM
Colin Strause was an active member of this board through the complete production of AvP:R... and he didn't take s**t from it!
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Puks on Oct 22, 2009, 10:34:30 AM
I was going to write the same exact thing. Let the pros do their job.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: CANNON on Oct 22, 2009, 10:42:14 AM
ya i remmber when he was. Take into consideration that its very possible if he wasnt on these boards the movie could have turned out even worse.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Puks on Oct 22, 2009, 10:45:43 AM
Worse? AvPR is infinetly bad, it can't get worse. It's the same with temperature - never gets below -273.15 Celsius.  ;D
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: CANNON on Oct 22, 2009, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: Puks on Oct 22, 2009, 10:45:43 AM
Worse? AvPR is infinetly bad, it can't get worse. It's the same with temperature - never gets below -273.15 Celsius.  ;D

Ya lol your right about that, AVPr was shit. But i think u get my point.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: MadassAlex on Oct 22, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
Frankly, this movie looks as if it doesn't need fan input.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: CANNON on Oct 22, 2009, 11:42:37 AM
from what we know now, i disagree strongly
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Pinkman on Oct 22, 2009, 11:53:19 AM
I don't want to sound rude but this is a stupid idea. You don't order a movie like you order a pizza, that doesn't work that way, and it simply never should.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Master on Oct 22, 2009, 12:47:41 PM
Two last times the makers did v.poor job on A/P franchise. If they aren`t able to make something good, than they shouldn`t do it at all. Fans have lots of great ideas. And at leas we could have avoid regurgitation process and predalien with shitty mandibles and dreadlocks.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: CANNON on Oct 22, 2009, 01:54:27 PM
exactly master
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mr. Domino on Oct 22, 2009, 02:37:52 PM
Quote from: CANNON on Oct 22, 2009, 10:09:43 AM
I wish that Directors/producers/writers whomever, took into consideration the fans outlook and input on a movie. Ya i know it sounds like a ridiculous thoguht, because of the large amount of fans. you couldnt possible please everyone and they would probaly be gettin an infinite amount of ideas flowing threw and you couldnt determine the good from the bad... But the directors should find a way to ask us our opinion so overall we are not dissipointed. Maybe using a Poll or a website to relay information. This would help keep the movie canon and would also prevent a RR upset.

The problem is not at all that there's too many fans to please. Quite the opposite. The problem is that the 'fans' make up a very small percentile of the total viewership of any franchise film. Which means that the studios simply aren't making the movies for us. They know we're (for the most part) going to pay to see the movie in the theater and then buy it on DVD anyway, even if we don't like it. They make these movies trying to attract Joe Public into the theater, and as such, design the film with him in mind.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: CANNON on Oct 22, 2009, 04:43:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Oct 22, 2009, 02:37:52 PM
Quote from: CANNON on Oct 22, 2009, 10:09:43 AM
I wish that Directors/producers/writers whomever, took into consideration the fans outlook and input on a movie. Ya i know it sounds like a ridiculous thoguht, because of the large amount of fans. you couldnt possible please everyone and they would probaly be gettin an infinite amount of ideas flowing threw and you couldnt determine the good from the bad... But the directors should find a way to ask us our opinion so overall we are not dissipointed. Maybe using a Poll or a website to relay information. This would help keep the movie canon and would also prevent a RR upset.

The problem is not at all that there's too many fans to please. Quite the opposite. The problem is that the 'fans' make up a very small percentile of the total viewership of any franchise film. Which means that the studios simply aren't making the movies for us. They know we're (for the most part) going to pay to see the movie in the theater and then buy it on DVD anyway, even if we don't like it. They make these movies trying to attract Joe Public into the theater, and as such, design the film with him in mind.


You are 110% right, i stand corrected.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Raptor on Oct 22, 2009, 06:23:23 PM
Quote from: Pinkman on Oct 22, 2009, 11:53:19 AM
I don't want to sound rude but this is a stupid idea. You don't order a movie like you order a pizza, that doesn't work that way, and it simply never should.

Absolutely I agree,movies should be the way they are if the movie sucked then its the fault of the ones that did it for not having the talent or whatever.

If they start to listen to the fans it could get very stupid because the fans not always agrees on things its quite the opposite in fact.

There are movies that are masterpieces and there pieces of garbage movies and it should be that way it must be balance.

I for one trust in RR that we will make a very good movie without listen to fans.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: SM on Oct 22, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
Quoteya i remmber when he was. Take into consideration that its very possible if he wasnt on these boards the movie could have turned out even worse.

No it isn't.  The Struasii made no creative decisions based on fan opinion.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: CANNON on Oct 23, 2009, 06:58:15 AM
regardless you get the point, it isnt that hard to miss...
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: SiL on Oct 23, 2009, 08:48:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 22, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
No it isn't.  The Struasii made no creative decisions based on fan opinion.
Quite the opposite, in fact - They made creative decisions despite fan opinion saying, "Maybe not?"

They knew the whole Wolf and the Aliens in the sewer bit would piss off fans. Doubly the head stomp at the end. Didn't stop them.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Oooodz on Oct 23, 2009, 10:25:50 AM
If they did take consideration we'd have Predators with name-tags  :D
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: TITANOSAUR on Nov 05, 2009, 06:49:42 PM
I think AvP-R came out the way it did, BECAUSE the BS aint got tallent.

I think the Pred Fans will be greatly disappointed. as somebody else said on this thread. the film makers don't make these movies for the fans. they make them for the generic public that either are or aren't fans. but primarily for the non-fans.

personaly I hope this movie will be good. BUT IDK. the movie might turn out to be good. BUT it might end up becoming a pile of poo.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: pretrixalated on Nov 06, 2009, 04:35:45 PM
hum yah does everyone remeber a litle movie called avpR yah the directors took alot of fan input look how that turned out need I say more!!!! :-X
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mr. Domino on Nov 06, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
I love it when people respond to the topic rather than reading the thread. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Dark Passenger on Dec 21, 2009, 11:06:59 PM
just leave the fans out of it...i mean the strauss bros thought they were making a movie for the fans but i mean look how that turned out...make it for the general public and just find out if its good or not...
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 07:00:23 AM
Out of curiosity what input would you give RR and co?
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 08:35:44 AM
Get rid of black blood and minigun plasma caster. Isn`t it helpfull? ::)
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 07:00:23 AM
Out of curiosity what input would you give RR and co?
Input? That means credit confidence?
So, it's  now too early to talk about it, but ...there are good news (cast of movie) and bad news (script), it is difficult to find a balance. My mood is rather pessimistic, but I still trust that everything will be fine.
Personally, I am afraid that RR is too arrogant, that he by all means tries to push his vision, without respect for the original. That rather he doesn't create a logical consequence of what was already in place, rather he doesn't develop the story, rather he doesn't develop the characters, but he will destroy everything. And on the ruins he will try to create his own vision. I am afraid that it no longer will my Preds. :-\
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 08:35:44 AM
Get rid of black blood and minigun plasma caster. Isn`t it helpfull? ::)
This is it...
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 10:19:20 AM
I would rather have a arrogant movie maker like RR who don't take no shit from no one then a studio bitches Anderson and Brothers Strause!

I can imagine if a studio exec tried to tell RR he would tell them where to go. The guy has a vision, he will bring something new and fresh to the table and I'm 100% supportive of that! The old Predator was great but after AvP travesty it needs a reboot and RR is the perfect man for it, imo. If he makes a film half as good as Sin City and Dusk til Dawn, ill be happy!
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 10:28:16 AM
Honestly, is black blood and a plasma caster such a big deal?

Yes, Predators could be a load of shit but I think the script is good (minor flaws) and with the right execution could turn out to be a great film regardless of the Predators having black blood.

AvP and AvP2 had Predators with green blood but that never saved the films did it? Both films were still shit because they were made by hacks!

RR, antal and co are not hacks and believe it or not I actually believe that their leaked script has shown more respect to the original Predator movie then any we have seen before even with the geneticaly modified super Preds with black blood. The Predator is a bad guy again, something that will terrify the humans that it hunts like the original. The script has tension, suspence, lots of action, great human characters, a great bad guy ect everything that you want in an action movie.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Highland on Dec 22, 2009, 10:30:39 AM
seriously if black blood and mini plasma casters are the worst of our worries, then we're in for a bloody treat!

Fan input is garbage mostly, only the most level headed fans would be of any use, otherwise we'd have Predator 1 all over again with a few tweaks.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Anonymous684 on Dec 22, 2009, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 10:28:16 AM
Honestly, is black blood and a plasma caster such a big deal?

Yes, Predators could be a load of shit but I think the script is good (minor flaws) and with the right execution could turn out to be a great film regardless of the Predators having black blood.

AvP and AvP2 had Predators with green blood but that never saved the films did it? Both films were still shit because they were made by hacks!

RR, antal and co are not hacks and believe it or not I actually believe that their leaked script has shown more respect to the original Predator movie then any we have seen before even with the geneticaly modified super Preds with black blood. The Predator is a bad guy again, something that will terrify the humans that it hunts like the original. The script has tension, suspence, lots of action, great human characters, a great bad guy ect everything that you want in an action movie.

Spoiler
we still got a predator helping the humans!
[close]
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 10:38:39 AM
For me black blood is yet another regurgitation process. Shitty, totally unneeded idea that alters they creature in the way that adds really nothing usefull to franchise.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 10:56:19 AM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 10:38:39 AM
For me black blood is yet another regurgitation process. Shitty, totally unneeded idea that alters they creature in the way that adds really nothing usefull to franchise.

They have black blood for a reason though, they are genetically modified Predators. I can appreciate that many dont like this idea but i think its great and it brings something new: Predators who like gene splicing the genes of their victims to become bigger and stronger. This makes them terrifying and great in my books - the Predators of old that honour prey who defeat them with gifts have been replaced by Predators who kill, gut and assimilate prey who defeat them!! That is trully bad ass and makes them a great bad guy for a movie. A bad guy should show no mercy, this will make them more scary and make the ordeal of the human characters being hunted by them more tense which will translate great on screen - just like the original.

Spoiler
Also the old "honurable" Predator makes an appearance but unfortunately its gets its assed kicked by the new variant of Predator.
[close]
Which is the overall theme of the franchise, survival of the fittest!

Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Highland on Dec 22, 2009, 11:05:31 AM
yeah, I'm not pissing my pants at how "cool" the green blood is when I'm watching the first 2, it's a minor detail. They are alien after all. I'd be more concerned about the overall look of the thing than it's make up. Is it proportioned well? how does it move? etc etc
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 10:56:19 AM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 10:38:39 AM
For me black blood is yet another regurgitation process. Shitty, totally unneeded idea that alters they creature in the way that adds really nothing usefull to franchise.
They have black blood for a reason though, they are genetically modified Predators. I can appreciate that many dont like this idea but i think its great and it brings something new: Predators who like gene splicing the genes of their victims to become bigger and stronger. This makes them terrifying and great in my books - the Predators of old that honour prey who defeat them with gifts have been replaced by Predators who kill, gut and assimilate prey who defeat them!! That is trully bad ass and makes them a great bad guy for a movie. A bad guy should show no mercy, this will make them more scary and make the ordeal of the human characters being hunted by them more tense which will translate great on screen - just like the original.

Spoiler
Also the old "honurable" Predator makes an appearance but unfortunately its gets its assed kicked by the new variant of Predator.
[close]
Which is the overall theme of the franchise, survival of the fittest!

It's not about the color of blood, it's just a detail.
I'm concerned about the change, what is perfect, and for me, Winston's Preds are perfect.
But that's not the point.
Many times I wrote and I argued honorable hunting. But ... I guess we don't understand ... For Preds. pride is to find the prey is strong enough to fight was equal as possible. BSP acts to weaken the prey prior to hunting. The game is not fair. That I don't like it. If they are so badass, playing the poor prey does not highlight this, right?
IMO after thinking about the genetic modification, I came to the conclusion:
Spoiler
Normal Preds chose the strongest preys to hunting, because they wanted the most honorable/strongest trophy. BSP hunting it's some kind of test too. Not experiencing the strongest, but "the gene pool is included from the strongest". This is the reason, why they use only DNA of the strongest of the preys.  This is the reason, why they use genetic modification at all. This is them trophy.
[close]
It is such a digression ...
But the question remains why they weaken preys at the start?
If the prey is weakened, how do you know that may be of value? Logical? ;)
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 10:56:19 AM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 10:38:39 AM
For me black blood is yet another regurgitation process. Shitty, totally unneeded idea that alters they creature in the way that adds really nothing usefull to franchise.
They have black blood for a reason though, they are genetically modified Predators. I can appreciate that many dont like this idea but i think its great and it brings something new: Predators who like gene splicing the genes of their victims to become bigger and stronger. This makes them terrifying and great in my books - the Predators of old that honour prey who defeat them with gifts have been replaced by Predators who kill, gut and assimilate prey who defeat them!! That is trully bad ass and makes them a great bad guy for a movie. A bad guy should show no mercy, this will make them more scary and make the ordeal of the human characters being hunted by them more tense which will translate great on screen - just like the original.

Spoiler
Also the old "honurable" Predator makes an appearance but unfortunately its gets its assed kicked by the new variant of Predator.
[close]
Which is the overall theme of the franchise, survival of the fittest!

It's not about the color of blood, it's just a detail.
I'm concerned about the change, what is perfect, and for me, Winston's Preds are perfect.
But that's not the point.
Many times I wrote and I argued honorable hunting. But ... I guess we don't understand ... For Preds. pride is to find the prey is strong enough to fight was equal as possible. BSP acts to weaken the prey prior to hunting. The game is not fair. That I don't like it. If they are so badass, playing the poor prey does not highlight this, right?
IMO after thinking about the genetic modification, I came to the conclusion:
Spoiler
Normal Preds chose the strongest preys to hunting, because they wanted the most honorable/strongest trophy. BSP hunting it's some kind of test too. Not experiencing the strongest, but "the gene pool is included from the strongest". This is the reason, why they use only DNA of the strongest of the preys.  This is the reason, why they use genetic modification at all. This is them trophy.
[close]
It is such a digression ...
But the question remains why they weaken preys at the start?
If the prey is weakened, how do you know that may be of value? Logical? ;)

Yes it can be argued that they weaken prey, but it can also be interpretared that they are doing it to single out the strongest Prey. They want to make it as tough as possible since they want the genetic material of the best most worthy prey. Anyone who can survuve being hunted by Predator dogs, falcons, the environment and the BSP it self is worthy and has genes that the BSP would covert.

Its possible that the the planet in which Predators (2010) is set could be some form of laboratory which the BSP use to single out the strongest prey. Any one who survives their tests is later captured, killed and their DNA extracted to be spliced into the Predator genome making the BSP stronger.

May be they want to be stronger to hunt bigger more tougher prey, something that we have not encountered and may encounter in future films. May be even other Predators...

who knows.

Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 12:22:14 PM
Brody will be staring in two movies about gene splicing

http://www.splicethefilm.com/ (http://www.splicethefilm.com/)
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 12:36:05 PM
Since I found the explanation of the reasons for genetic modification,there is more calmness  in my soul. I discovered the meaning. It might not be wise to explain, but the DNA as a trophy - it speaks to me. ;D
So can you agree with my theory? Does it make sense?  ;)


Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 12:22:14 PM
Brody will be staring in two movies about gene splicing

http://www.splicethefilm.com/ (http://www.splicethefilm.com/)

It was probably just a coincidence. I do not think that Brody chooses movies in this light. ;)
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Reaper Pred on Dec 22, 2009, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 10:56:19 AM

They have black blood for a reason though, they are genetically modified Predators. I can appreciate that many dont like this idea but i think its great and it brings something new: Predators who like gene splicing the genes of their victims to become bigger and stronger. This makes them terrifying and great in my books - the Predators of old that honour prey who defeat them with gifts have been replaced by Predators who kill, gut and assimilate prey who defeat them!! That is trully bad ass and makes them a great bad guy for a movie. A bad guy should show no mercy, this will make them more scary and make the ordeal of the human characters being hunted by them more tense which will translate great on screen - just like the original.

Spoiler
Also the old "honurable" Predator makes an appearance but unfortunately its gets its assed kicked by the new variant of Predator.
[close]
Which is the overall theme of the franchise, survival of the fittest!




I SECOND THAT!!!!!
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 02:47:28 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 12:36:05 PM
Since I found the explanation of the reasons for genetic modification,there is more calmness  in my soul. I discovered the meaning. It might not be wise to explain, but the DNA as a trophy - it speaks to me. ;D
So can you agree with my theory? Does it make sense?  ;)


Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 12:22:14 PM
Brody will be staring in two movies about gene splicing

http://www.splicethefilm.com/ (http://www.splicethefilm.com/)

It was probably just a coincidence. I do not think that Brody chooses movies in this light. ;)


Hey, dont get me wrong I like the original Predator and its look. Its a classic!

However, after 4 movies I want something different. However, I understand that many disagree and would be happy with the original Predator but sadly after the abysmal AvP movies the Predator franchise needs a reboot and the people with the power have decided for "Genetically modified Predators" - something fresh and pretty cool imo.

When I watch a Predator movie I always root for the human characters. This is one of the reasons why I hated the AvP movies since the human characters were shit and they tried too hard to humanise the Predators. Predators are meant to be bad guys not fighting side by side with humans! This is why I enjoyed reading Predators (2010) leaked script since the BSP was evil and wanted to hunt and kill all humans/prey for its own twisted genetic engineering purposes.

Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 03:18:50 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 02:47:28 PM

Hey, dont get me wrong I like the original Predator and its look. Its a classic!

However, after 4 movies I want something different. However, I understand that many disagree and would be happy with the original Predator but sadly after the abysmal AvP movies the Predator franchise needs a reboot and the people with the power have decided for "Genetically modified Predators" - something fresh and pretty cool imo.

If you want something different, just go and watch different movie ;). It couldn't be about Preds. At all. There are so many movies about so many monsters. Why do you want to change this monsters?? They makes this movies so unique. If are you borring, just find something to watch. Simple? And left my beloved Preds alone. ;D ;)

Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 02:47:28 PM
When I watch a Predator movie I always root for the human characters. This is one of the reasons why I hated the AvP movies since the human characters were shit and they tried too hard to humanise the Predators. Predators are meant to be bad guys not fighting side by side with humans! This is why I enjoyed reading Predators (2010) leaked script since the BSP was evil and wanted to hunt and kill all humans/prey for its own twisted genetic engineering purposes.
They never fight with humans. Human in AvP it was occasional partner, something like in "Prey".  Accident at work.  ;)
In other circumstances (remember the beginning of this movie?) Lex would end as a trophy on the wall. I'm sure.
I don't get you wrong, I guess. I just think, that you aren't really, truly fan. ;D
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Reaper Pred on Dec 22, 2009, 05:52:10 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 03:18:50 PM
Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 02:47:28 PM

Hey, dont get me wrong I like the original Predator and its look. Its a classic!

However, after 4 movies I want something different. However, I understand that many disagree and would be happy with the original Predator but sadly after the abysmal AvP movies the Predator franchise needs a reboot and the people with the power have decided for "Genetically modified Predators" - something fresh and pretty cool imo.

If you want something different, just go and watch different movie ;). It couldn't be about Preds. At all. There are so many movies about so many monsters. Why do you want to change this monsters?? They makes this movies so unique. If are you borring, just find something to watch. Simple? And left my beloved Preds alone. ;D ;)

Quote from: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 02:47:28 PM
When I watch a Predator movie I always root for the human characters. This is one of the reasons why I hated the AvP movies since the human characters were shit and they tried too hard to humanise the Predators. Predators are meant to be bad guys not fighting side by side with humans! This is why I enjoyed reading Predators (2010) leaked script since the BSP was evil and wanted to hunt and kill all humans/prey for its own twisted genetic engineering purposes.
They never fight with humans. Human in AvP it was occasional partner, something like in "Prey".  Accident at work.  ;)
In other circumstances (remember the beginning of this movie?) Lex would end as a trophy on the wall. I'm sure.
I don't get you wrong, I guess. I just think, that you aren't really, truly fan. ;D
Hey key...
I am a true fan of the original predator too...but still i believe the predator franchise needs something like The"bsp" to revive the fans..like mystic ninja said.
..I want the original pred to kick the bsp's ass  though...
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 06:06:37 PM
We still don't know how BSP will looks like. Maybe it will not be so bad as I'm afraid. Who knows? ;) I only think that some changes are unnecessary, risky and could throw the entire franchise to the "Class B Movies." Not everything.
Everything more I could say it could be spoiler... ;)
If even Preds need changes, I doubt that it is right way...
(Preds are perfect, old good Winston's Preds are perfect, it's my holy love, they are perfect..... if someone is boring, it's probably me ;D).
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Reaper Pred on Dec 22, 2009, 06:44:42 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 06:06:37 PM
We still don't know how BSP will looks like. Maybe it will not be so bad as I'm afraid. Who knows? ;) I only think that some changes are unnecessary, risky and could throw the entire franchise to the "Class B Movies." Not everything.
Everything more I could say it could be spoiler... ;)
If even Preds need changes, I doubt that it is right way...
(Preds are perfect, old good Winston's Preds are perfect, it's my holy love, they are perfect..... if someone is boring, it's probably me ;D).

Hahaha!!.. I used to think like U untill AvP :'( ... i mean preds were all weak  :o....Hoping Atleast the upgraded preds(bsp) will look good
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 06:55:01 PM
If there must be Super Predator in it, than
Spoiler
It have to kill normal Pred cause all audience would think otherwise. If it`ll be opposite, than there will be no surprise = boring predictable film like AvP-r.
[close]

And in AvP Preds weren`t weak. Their opponent was just superior.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: Rahul on Dec 22, 2009, 06:44:42 PM
Hahaha!!.. I used to think like U untill AvP :'( ... i mean preds were all weak  :o....Hoping Atleast the upgraded preds(bsp) will look good
But this is exactly what I mean - Anderson changed Winston's vision, he made different story and we have AvP. No, I like AvP despite all these weakness. Probably because I can compared it with the AvP: R. In comparison with AvP: R, each movie is genius, don't you think? ;)
If you change the very base of the film (and the Preds are this base) then this film is no longer the same. You change all this universe, all philosophy.  I do not want another AvP: R. I do not want another senseless slaughter. :-\
I'm afraid changes because AvP, and more because AvP:R. ;)

But this is only my subjective opinion. Nothing more. ;D
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 07:02:51 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 06:55:01 PM
If there must be Super Predator in it, than
Spoiler
It have to kill normal Pred cause all audience would think otherwise. If it`ll be opposite, than there will be no surprise = boring predictable film like AvP-r.
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And in AvP Preds weren`t weak. Their opponent was just superior.
Yea... It could work. I just want them win, not another weak Pred butchered without meaning, as in AvP .... Stupid ... :-\
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Post by: Reaper Pred on Dec 22, 2009, 07:12:09 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 06:55:01 PM
If there must be Super Predator in it, than
Spoiler
It have to kill normal Pred cause all audience would think otherwise. If it`ll be opposite, than there will be no surprise = boring predictable film like AvP-r.
[close]

And in AvP Preds weren`t weak. Their opponent was just superior.
Superior???
pred thrown by tail....... No way!!
Aliens=hard meat....nuff said!!!
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: ShadowPred on Dec 22, 2009, 07:26:14 PM
AvP: Aliens are superior

AvPR: Preds literally took it all back.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mr. Domino on Dec 22, 2009, 07:37:59 PM
I have no problem with 'genetically modified' Predators. They're always trying to better themselves, so it makes sense in a way. However, the black blood I very much disagree with. Fix that, and I don't really have too many problems with the movie. There's some silly stuff in it, but nothing I can't grin at and move on.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 07:44:01 PM
Like I wrote before:
Spoiler
I could agree with geneticaly modification because I understand it as prize in the race. DNA of the best preys it's the best trophy in the hunt. Just as for normal  Preds this is skulls.
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Now, I can agree.
And I can understand the reasons.
But it can't kill my fear about sense of script. ;)
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
I think you are agreeing with bullshit too easily. ::)
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Mystic Ninja on Dec 22, 2009, 08:36:16 PM
People who are telling me to go watch a different movie cos I like the BSP are deluded! Its you who need to go watch another movie since the BSP is here to stay! So if you don't like it don't buy the ticket, stay at home and watch Predator!

:D
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 08:38:27 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
I think you are agreeing with bullshit too easily. ::)
No. It took me 2 months of thought. Read my other posts in other threads  ;). I don't agree to a change of appearance and all that s**t. Winston's Preds are sacred to me. They are perfect. Don't destroy what is perfect. I love them and I always will.
But...
I'm looking for a logical explanation for the mutation. Cause. No effect.
You could call it rationalization of nightmares. Go ahead. I'm not saying that I like this whole idea. I can only say that I understand "why". Don't cling to me.  ;)
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 08:55:42 PM
You realise that there may be no input about genetic modifications in script itself?
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 09:05:39 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 08:55:42 PM
You realise that there may be no input about genetic modifications in script itself?
Yea...
And I realise, that more of what we know from script so far, can change during production.
And I realise, that most of knowledge about Preds it's only speculations. BSP including. ;)
We are talking about script, but we don't have any certainty, what we will see at really in the cinema.

Future is dark and you still try to kill my hopes. ;D
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 09:18:43 PM
Hopes are big shitty things when combined with new A/P films.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 09:27:22 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 09:18:43 PM
Hopes are big shitty things when combined with new A/P films.
Hopes it's all what we can have so far.
I'm a hardcore fan, so I have hope. I wish for this movie all the best. I wish for myself, that my fears seem stupid.
Effect of these wishes we could see in cinema.

Don't kill hopes. It's crime... ;) ;)
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 09:31:24 PM
I`m a hope hitman. The film is going to be poor, and we both know it.
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 09:40:46 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 09:31:24 PM
I`m a hope hitman. The film is going to be poor, and we both know it.
No, I don't know. I didn't see it. So far I read old script (bad, but old), I know casting (not so bad, surprise) and..... it's all. ;)
When we could see some pictures or hear some confirmed rumors, we will have grounds for issuing judgement.

So far we have nothing. Only speculation.  ;)

The fear it's bad adviser. Very unobjective. ;)
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 09:57:46 PM
I`m not affraid Key :) I`m experienced with earlier pictures
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 09:57:46 PM
I`m not affraid Key :) I`m experienced with earlier pictures
Not only  you... Not only you... ;)

My motto for the time until I see this movie:
Have hope for the best but be prepared for the worst.  ;D
Title: Re: I wish that movie makers took into consideration the fans input.
Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 22, 2009, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on Dec 22, 2009, 10:02:57 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 22, 2009, 09:57:46 PM
I`m not affraid Key :) I`m experienced with earlier pictures
Not only  you... Not only you... ;)

My motto for the time until I see this movie:
Have hope for the best but be prepared for the worst.  ;D

I agree with you a 100%