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So...we're in a small town in the middle of nowhere most likely surrounded by forest and wildlife...the thought just came to me but what do you think are the odds we'll be seeing some new hybrids?

Quite possible. A flying alien..............

I never thought of other hybrids but no, I don't think they will do anything else other than a Predalien.

I mean, just look at the Kenner figures. Gorilla Alien, Scorpion Alien, Bull Alien, Rhino Alien etc. It's going a little too far if you ask me.

They're just funny, taken to an extreme.

i hope for just predalien

More Aliens in the woods would mean more eggs. But where will they come from? Does the Hybrid stuff some in his backpack as he leaves the crashed Pred ship? Why are Eggs in the Ship? Questions, over questions.

I just hope they come up with an explaination a bit better than in Alien3. Opps! There was an Egg in the cargo bay. ????????????????? ???

QuoteThere was an Egg in the cargo bay.

True was strange, though it added to the mystery o the film.

I like the emergency egg theory, where the queen can lay one egg when the nest has been compromised.


This could explain why there where two aliens from one hugger in alien3
But what Kenner did was simply ridiculous. ::)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 22, 2006, 12:41:31 PM
So...we're in a small town in the middle of nowhere most likely surrounded by forest and wildlife...the thought just came to me but what do you think are the odds we'll be seeing some new hybrids?

After what Morris said, I'm wondering if this is definitely possible. Do you think they really have done other creatures other than the Predalien?

I think so, but I don't think its going to be drastically different.

Quote from: locusta on Dec 23, 2006, 12:27:55 PM
More Aliens in the woods would mean more eggs. But where will they come from? Does the Hybrid stuff some in his backpack as he leaves the crashed Pred ship? Why are Eggs in the Ship? Questions, over questions.

I just hope they come up with an explaination a bit better than in Alien3. Opps! There was an Egg in the cargo bay. ????????????????? ???

Are we sure there will not be a queen in AVP2?

If not I will be dissapointed, as the Queen is my all time favorite movie monster.

I am sure there is a way for a hive without a queen to make a new one, one would possibly molt, or maybe if a drone can make a a single egg, it would be an egg for a Queen bearing facehugger.

I don't care how they get one there, but I hope to see a Queen. On top of that the big animatronic Queen from AVP1 is probably still functional.

I imagine they would just use her again, no reason for it to go to waste. That and she is kind of an expected mainstay from fans.

 8) I Would Love To See A Flying Alien In AvP2!!! :o Swooping Down And Snaching Heads Off And Blood Squirting All Over The Camera Lens!!!! That Would Be Cool To See On The Big Screen!!!  8) :o ;D ;)

Flying Aliens?

God, no thank you.

Four-legged and two-legged will do for me. And the PredAlien, of course.

Quite plausible, but also unlikely. What animal in the woods is large enough to accomodate a face hugger? Not many, and depending on where the woods themselves are, perhaps nothing. A bear or wolf maybe. Certainly not a bird or squirrel.
I like the idea that the outbreak of the Predalien on the ship causes the necessity of the surviving predators to abandon ship and detonate it like in Alien (a great parallel, don't you think?). Anyone have any clue as to what the story is? Is it even based straight after AVP or is it so and so many years after? Is it an Army convoy headed to a secret facility in the vicinity of the town that has recovered debris and perhaps 'cargo' from the aforementioned detonated ship the Preds are after? Wow, can't wait to see what actually happens.

can we not agree that a flying alien squirrel would pretty awsome ;D

Yup. Small animals are of no interest to aliens. In ALIEN, Jonesy the cat was left alone, and in ALIEN, the hamsters where left to do their thing.

Now Predators on the other hand, have all sorts of small animal skulls on their necklace.

If Eric Red can find a way to make freaking MOSQUITO and CHICKEN Aliens, I'm sure Mr. Salerno can work out a way to have a fwuffy wabbit Awien.

Quote from: SiL on Jan 14, 2007, 08:33:39 PM
If Eric Red can find a way to make freaking MOSQUITO and CHICKEN Aliens, I'm sure Mr. Salerno can work out a way to have a fwuffy wabbit Awien.

Yeah, but did you bother to read the rest of Eric Red's script? How the escape shuttle at the end was discovered to be a big alien? I prefer my Aliens in the "not ahead of itself in concept" variety.

I'm ashamed to say I read it from beginning to end - Without a doubt one of my more painful experiences.

I think he went more than a little crazy with the concept of airborne Alien spores transforming things into Aliens, including the space station itself.

Radically odd-looking hybrid Aliens - Sheep Aliens with wool, horse Aliens that look like centaurs but with Alien bodies - were a shit, rejected idea in the 80s/90s and they SHOULD be a shit, rejected idea now.

Yeah, especially with how Red dealt with the Ripley storyline in one swift sentence before moving on.

Quote from: SiL on Jan 14, 2007, 11:06:14 PM
I'm ashamed to say I read it from beginning to end - Without a doubt one of my more painful experiences.

I think he went more than a little crazy with the concept of airborne Alien spores transforming things into Aliens, including the space station itself.

Radically odd-looking hybrid Aliens - Sheep Aliens with wool, horse Aliens that look like centaurs but with Alien bodies - were a shit, rejected idea in the 80s/90s and they SHOULD be a shit, rejected idea now.

Actually, the bit about the airborne spores goes back to the first script written for the movie: William Gibson's Alien III script. That was the one that had Hicks and Bishop in it, had Commies From Outer Space, and wanted to be Aliens² but fell even shorter on ideas.

It wasn't as bad as Red's script, but it wasn't all that great, either.

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Well, at least it was natural in Gibson's version. Red made it a Genetic experiment (I think, the script was really flawed and had awful dialouge).

I read Gibson's script too - I've read all of the Alien3 scripts. The one we got was easily the best.

And I know Gibson invented the idea, I was just saying Red went crazy with it when he did his script.

Quote from: Snore on Jan 14, 2007, 11:23:53 PM
Well, at least it was natural in Gibson's version. Red made it a Genetic experiment.

Actually, having the alien spores as natural would be worse. The aliens didn't turn any of their victims into adult aliens with airborne spores in the previous films.

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Maybe that's what the Alien was doing when it looked at Jones' box - Trying to turn it into an Alien with its evil Alien breath. :P (Added for clarification)

I don't think so...

I hope you didn't think I was being serious ...

Heh, I suddenly just remembered other odd instances from the Gibson and Red scripts.

Like in Red's script, when the Alien goes on a breeding rampage during a "demonstration" in an ampitheatre and manages to completely bypass the Facehugger method. (Summed up with a "IT'S BREEDING ITSELF!" line from the lead.)

Or after the Alien "self bio-upgrade" in Gibson's script, Chestbursters now come in groups of six. Don't know about you guys, but'd be painful even during the gestation time.

Peopl think Fox are all about the money - At least they had to sense to realise those ideas were utter bull.

Heh, I guess we should move to another post if this particular conversation goes on.

Quote from: SiL on Jan 14, 2007, 11:32:46 PM
I read Gibson's script too - I've read all of the Alien3 scripts. The one we got was easily the best.

I have to and I liked A3 to start with but reading those scripts made me appricate A3 even more. The Vincent Ward script was terrible but I liked the Gibson one. 

I would like to see more hybrids than the predalien, because it would make the aliens
much realistic than ever...and maybe scarier as only a predalien and normal aliens...
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Would you like to see other Hybrids in AVP2?
So vote and postl them if you want... ;D

I want a PredAlien and several Dog Aliens (though I would be happy with one)!

Quote from: dDave on Jul 16, 2007, 01:37:52 PM
I would like to see more hybrids than the predalien, because it would make the aliens
much realistic than ever...and maybe scarier as only a predalien and normal aliens...
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Would you like to see other Hybrids in AVP2?
So vote and postl them if you want... ;D

I think a Queen and a Predalien are more than enough to keep us entertained (and the Predator as well  ;D :D)...

Any more would unbalance the movie too much for me... ;)

I'd rather see a new piece of the Alien Cycle than another new Breed, Last thing we want is an excuse to make some new toys.

Egg Morphing (in full), the Eating habits, Building of the Hive (how), Interaction between eachother, Any one of those I'd take. Its better to develope the creature, I'm getting a little bored with the snatch and grab and chestburst, repeat, repeat....

I want the Runner back. I'd love to see different breeds interacting.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 16, 2007, 03:19:07 PM
I want the Runner back. I'd love to see different breeds interacting.

Runner vs Predalien

Quote from: highlandpred on Jul 16, 2007, 02:53:03 PM
I'd rather see a new piece of the Alien Cycle than another new Breed, Last thing we want is an excuse to make some new toys.

Egg Morphing (in full), the Eating habits, Building of the Hive (how), Interaction between eachother, Any one of those I'd take. Its better to develope the creature, I'm getting a little bored with the snatch and grab and chestburst, repeat, repeat....

mmh Thats right...it would be cool to see how the hive is interacting, growing and reprducing...

There was a rumour a dog would be grabbed in some way.

In terms of story structure, it would be the easiest way to convey what the Predalien is meant to be: A character has seen several of the 'usual' versions, then sees one from 'Alien 3', after hearing about both the canine incident and that the things apparently grow inside hosts and stuff. They say a line much like Ripley's, "So, what's laying these eggs?" But to do with realising they take on certain traits.

The scene either switches to the Predalien or the same character witnesses it together with the Predator and the percentage of the audience not already aware of how the genetic thing works, puts two and two together. It's simple and effective.

Personally, though, I'd rather see something far more vicious than the canine edition. One from a cat or, my most favourite idea, the aftermath of dozens of chestbursted animals from a local zoo, complete with a brief glimpse of the prior massed facehugger attack scene. :)

Quote from: dDave on Jul 16, 2007, 05:00:43 PM

Quote from: highlandpred on Jul 16, 2007, 02:53:03 PM
I'd rather see a new piece of the Alien Cycle than another new Breed, Last thing we want is an excuse to make some new toys.

Egg Morphing (in full), the Eating habits, Building of the Hive (how), Interaction between eachother, Any one of those I'd take. Its better to develope the creature, I'm getting a little bored with the snatch and grab and chestburst, repeat, repeat....

mmh Thats right...it would be cool to see how the hive is interacting, growing and reprducing...

LOL we can tell your mind is in its happy place

I would like to see hybrids interacting with each other and what not. Im tired of seing all of the aliens look exactly the same, its time to slap on some color to the alien world.

You 'guys' are right; I too would like to see hybrids interacting with each other.  There are many different kinds of species on earth that would make great hybrids for the aliens; I don't see why the producer's woudn't mix it up a bit.

Quote from: Predboy on Jul 16, 2007, 05:04:32 PM
I would like to see hybrids interacting with each other and what not. Im tired of seing all of the aliens look exactly the same, its time to slap on some color to the alien world.

i want to see more color in the pred world like black with red strips

In an interview someone implied there would be several hybrids.

I'm pretty sure they said Several creatures, not the word Hybrid? but dont quote me on that.

a black pred with red stripes would have been cool pre-darth maul. I do like the idea of seeing different aliens though...Id like to see ridged and domed together in the one movie for a change....

IF the crazyness is going to happen in a suburban area, then there will also be dogs, cats, squirlls, birds, and other animals there. It would only make sense that if you put a predalien in the movie you would need to put a squirllalien in there also!!! make sure it has a cheek full of acorns too. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Originalsin on Jul 16, 2007, 08:15:19 PM
IF the crazyness is going to happen in a suburban area, then there will also be dogs, cats, squirlls, birds, and other animals there. It would only make sense that if you put a predalien in the movie you would need to put a squirllalien in there also!!! make sure it has a cheek full of acorns too. ;D ;D ;D ;D

a facehugger cant even fit on a squirll!

If a facehugger can fit on a space jocket, it can fit on a squirrel.

Space Jockeys are big guys.

Squirrels are little guys.

Anything much smaller than a medium-sized dog would be pushing it.

I don't want half a dozen different types of Aliens running around. If it wasn't good enough for Alien3 - Read Red's script. you really want chicken Aliens, horse Aliens, sheep Aliens, mosquito Aliens?! - it shouldn't be good enough for this film.

I know I'm wtf-ing at all these ideas! FOR SHAME!!!

Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2007, 09:00:52 PM
Space Jockeys are big guys.

Squirrels are little guys.

Anything much smaller than a medium-sized dog would be pushing it.

I don't want half a dozen different types of Aliens running around. If it wasn't good enough for Alien3 - Read Red's script. you really want chicken Aliens, horse Aliens, sheep Aliens, mosquito Aliens?! - it shouldn't be good enough for this film.

I don't, but it would be very interesting to see those from crocodiles, big cats, komodo dragons and other such very predatory creatures. If a story was going to do it, then it should go down that route, not the 'silly' road. Placing a zoo in the locality would be the most realistic way to do that.

Again, they did all that in the late 80s, early 90s when cramming out ideas for Alien3. They had all these dozens of hybrids, and in the end they thought it was just stupid to have all these variations of Aliens running around and decided to only go with one. Lots of them would seem like a cheap marketing ploy and turn into a Godzilla film, which is one of the reasons they opposed AvP in the 90s.

This is why I wish the producers of the first three Alien movies were the ones with the AvP reigns; they cared about making good movies, not gratuitous fan service. But nooo, John Davis had to get the rights. Bloody Predator producer.

And yes, I realise we don't know if there will be multiple hybrids.

Just saying.

The original, unused 'Aliens Versus Predator' script had a few 'hybrids'. There was a scene where the lead character found the nest and it was sheer horror, seeing all these human and animal bodies cocooned, ribcages exploded out. Unfortunately, I seem to remember the only variation of Alien were a few from lemurs and those hardly seem intimidating!

Nonetheless, it was one of the best and most inspiring parts about that script. I'd really like to see something similar.

As I wrote, sure, it can end up silly and easily so. But that's if you choose the wrong hosts. If you get crocodiles and so on, especially in just a limited number, then it could make for some excellent and very terrifying scenes in the story. I wouldn't want it if it wasn't done right, but that goes for just about everything. :)

It has the same potential as a Predalien: Something new and more formidable than the human design has been. That's something else, too, which shouldn't be done if it isn't done right.

Again, it'd turn into a Godzilla movie if you threw around all these widely varying designs (I love Godzilla films, but they're a far way off being what an Alien or AvP film is). The only real things the host seems to take is overall posture and build; a Crocodile Alien would look ridiculous.

I only want The Predalien. No more, no less. I dont want to see a million different Hybrids.

there will be hybrids of Predators. dogs, cats, squirlls, fish, birds!!!!! IT only makes senes. I want to see the cute furry squirllalien anyway!!!

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 16, 2007, 03:19:07 PM
I want the Runner back. I'd love to see different breeds interacting.

Runner vs Predalien

why would they attack eachother?  They are both on the same side.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2007, 09:52:11 PM
Again, it'd turn into a Godzilla movie if you threw around all these widely varying designs (I love Godzilla films, but they're a far way off being what an Alien or AvP film is). The only real things the host seems to take is overall posture and build; a Crocodile Alien would look ridiculous.

Hence why I suggested such a thing be done economically. :)

I can easily imagine two, three or four 'alternative' designs arising from the most obvious way. I would think one from a big cat could have some real potential, especially with claws and jaws. They don't have to be a part of some seething, Lovecraftian ocean of different creatures (although that would definitely have some potential, if they ever set it on some outpost world, with a city being run over by them). They could just be a few designs used sparingly.

So long as they use the 'right' animals for it, they could be very interesting. Crocodiles would be fine. Whales, on the other hand... Heh.

An Alien version of an octopus or giant squid could look really vicious, but I don't see how a facehugger would accomplish it, considering the beak. It could melt through, but the water would probably make that ineffective.

Serpents might be intriguing. They could be like what were seen in 'Deep Rising', except with limbs, perhaps.

Beaver Alien with big front teeth ;D it could fight the predator at its Hive/Dam.

I want to see a predalien and i really want to see more runners and two new hybrids.



P.S.
the reason why I'am calling them runners is because dog alien sounds stupid two me.

Two me.

I really just want a Predalien - and maybe a runner.

Absolutely no other hybrids!

Quote from: dragonfly83h on Jul 17, 2007, 09:20:20 AM
and maybe a runner.

Why do you only want one runner? I want at least five in AVP2 maybe four.

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Quote from: dragonfly83h on Jul 17, 2007, 09:20:20 AM
and maybe a runner.

Why do you only want one runner? I want at least five in AVP2 maybe four.

like in a pack!

Hybrids are hard... it would be really easy to make too many and turn AVP2 into a silly mess. It just depends how it's done. The Alien should never look radically different than an Alien born from a human. Subtle differences would be cool but again, too many in 1 movie could get silly.

I think we need Warriors, runners, and Predaliens. If we have that we're good. I don't want the kenner hybrids all over again.

Yeah, they should just stick to Regular Aliens and the Predalien, nothing else.

Quote from: darkbladepred on Jul 17, 2007, 08:43:56 PM
I think we need Warriors, runners, and Predaliens. If we have that we're good. I don't want the kenner hybrids all over again.

That's why I wrote that I would prefer it not go down the 'silly' route. But if they had made those toy designs good, instead of so cheap, there would have been far greater enthusiasm to see them in comics and so on. From what I remember, they weren't even natural creatures. They had their genetics deliberately altered and played around with.

Just imagine if they had put as much effort into them as the company who did that attempt at a Predalien model did. :) That's the sort of quality I would like! If they did variations as good as that, they really could be classical.

I don't mind seeing a few non-human hybrid variations for flavor, just so long as it doesn't turn into a Noah's Ark of ridiculous proportions.

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jul 18, 2007, 03:17:57 AM
I don't mind seeing a few non-human hybrid variations for flavor, just so long as it doesn't turn into a Noah's Ark of ridiculous proportions.

I completely agree

I'd like to see the human-aliens as usual (duh), the predailen, a dog-ailen ala alien 3 (you know someone in town has a dog  ;) ) and just one more, to show further evidence for unfamiliar people how the aliens take on the hosts traits. Nothing too extreme.

That's my feeling for how the characters are going to realise the Predalien is on the same 'side' as the others. That it isn't yet another different faction among them. If the rumours about a canine being snatched are true, then I'm almost willing to bet that's how they're going to do it. Someone will have a Ripley moment and realise it's more 'like' a dog in movements than the others, probably doing so right after seeing a ruptured dog's cadaver in cocoon.

That would be enough to refresh/educate the audience on the reasons for a Predalien looking different. I'm not complaining, not in the least. I think it would be a fairly good way to structure that. :)

There may be more, but I doubt it, if you think about it, this is the same stuff that they were saying about AVP before it came out, so this might blow up in there face, just like the last one.

Quote from: Martian Queen on Jul 17, 2007, 07:53:05 PM

Quote from: aliensetta on Jul 17, 2007, 04:11:28 PM

Quote from: dragonfly83h on Jul 17, 2007, 09:20:20 AM
and maybe a runner.

Why do you only want one runner? I want at least five in AVP2 maybe four.

like in a pack!

exactly! That would be cool plus runners wouldn't rune the movie. I want at least one new hybrid or see aliens build a hive.

The nest is their pack.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 18, 2007, 10:06:44 PM
The nest is their pack.

I use wolf terminoligy

Quote from: Martian Queen on Jul 18, 2007, 10:46:37 PM
I use wolf terminoligy

Aliens aren't wolves, though. It's like saying a gang of wolves.

I sense an argument coming on, and this thread getting more off-topic then it already is.

If there are hybrids, they should still look like aliens. The one in A3, the costume shots, looked like an alien. So maybe aliens but different postures and bipedal or quadrupedal.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Jul 19, 2007, 10:10:10 PM
If there are hybrids, they should still look like aliens. The one in A3, the costume shots, looked like an alien. So maybe aliens but different postures and bipedal or quadrupedal.

And different hands, head, feet, limb configuration, body dimensions and tail. :)

Personally, I'd say number of limbs, too.

Don't make them look too much like their source animal.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Jul 19, 2007, 10:10:10 PM
If there are hybrids, they should still look like aliens. The one in A3, the costume shots, looked like an alien. So maybe aliens but different postures and bipedal or quadrupedal.

The Dog Alien had such a great look to it, I liked how they constructed the jaw area and the lipps, very GIGER-ish. What is the deal with these stupid long fingers now?! Their hands look like fins lol :D

Maybe the facehuggers impregnated loads of clones of the Penguin from Batman Returns.

Quote from: Martian Queen on Jul 18, 2007, 10:46:37 PM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 18, 2007, 10:06:44 PM
The nest is their pack.

I use wolf terminoligy

I am just shocked at this. How do you even think that? ALIENS ARE NOT WOLVES! Nothing like them in any way.

It's just her "thing".  I wouldn't worry about it.

Only the Predalien in this one!

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Jul 23, 2007, 06:12:08 AM
It's just her "thing".  I wouldn't worry about it.

It just really pisses me off in a way.


sorry martian queen if my other post seems to be me angry at you.

Theres likley to be more hypbrids. There'll be loads of dogs, cats, farm animals etc...

Quote from: War Wager on Jul 23, 2007, 05:37:01 PM
There'll be loads of dogs, cats, farm animals etc...

Why would there be farm animals? This isn't set on a farm ...

Sil I've noticed a LOT of people hear colorado and automatically think gu-hyuck hick town and farms lol

Quote from: Dark_Magician on Jul 16, 2007, 02:38:05 PM
I want a PredAlien and several Dog Aliens (though I would be happy with one)!

I think that would be cool actually if done right and what not. But Idk if anyones pointed this out or not but awhile back wasnt there mention of a scene where a dog goes into a sewer and a girls chasing it, could that maybe signify that there could be a dog alien? I just remember hearing of a scene like that possibly being in the movie.

nah, i heard in that scene the girl reaches in for her dog and an alien pops up with a red nose and says "they all float down here"  :P :D

 :D  ....  :D .....

I'd Like several runners and then the Predalien revealed at the end, like the Queen in Aliens

They should redo the dog alien's looks so it looks more dogish. On Alien 3 it did not have any traits of a dog other then standing on four feet. I've been working on a sketching of a more dog like alien. If it turns out to be cool I'll post it.

It's supposed to not look like a dog.

I'd really like to see a carnival bearded lady-alien hybid.

this isn't meant to be offensive, but on the topic of carnivals... what would happen if an alien facehugged a person with uncommon features? say a dwarf, would the alien retain any of that? or do the aliens only take basic DNA hints?

Quote from: Predalien91 on Jul 26, 2007, 07:28:23 PM
They should redo the dog alien's looks so it looks more dogish. On Alien 3 it did not have any traits of a dog other then standing on four feet.

And the leg configuration and the more advanced tail and the... :)

Remember, the breed it came from does not have a long snout

There was a lot different about it, it's just that they were more subtle than what most people seem to expect.

well, Giger worked on the Alien³ design, right? if so, then subtlety isn't really a surprise. the creator probably has a better handle on how to change the features in ways that don't alter the presence to an unrecognizable extent.

Quote from: Tangent on Jul 26, 2007, 08:09:22 PM
well, Giger worked on the Alien³ design, right? if so, then subtlety isn't really a surprise. the creator probably has a better handle on how to change the features in ways that don't alter the presence to an unrecognizable extent.

Well, those designs actually did alter it beyond any reasonable extent. :) What we got was different.

It should be kept in mind, however, that this is what their impressions were of it originating from an ox. It was later that they changed the arrival method.

are you sure he didn't rework it? i remember the whole space monestary concept, the ox concept, and all those other plans that got scrapped.. but wasn't there some concept of more robust looking quadroped alien for the ox birthed bug? i'm not really questioning what you're saying, it's just that my memory's all jumbled.

either way, 'tis a bitchin' design.

Quote from: Tangent on Jul 26, 2007, 08:37:09 PM
are you sure he didn't rework it? i remember the whole space monestary concept, the ox concept, and all those other plans that got scrapped.. but wasn't there some concept of more robust looking quadroped alien for the ox birthed bug? i'm not really questioning what you're saying, it's just that my memory's all jumbled.

either way, 'tis a bitchin' design.

I don't know who did those. I do remember his concepts, though and they were very different from the design we saw. They even had the inner mouth transformed into a sort of tentacle with hooks on it. It was meant to be more erotic and deliberately get rid of anything biomechanical.

getting rid of the biomechanical?? you're saying that Giger came in... and de-Gigered the alien?

:-[ shit, i wasn't aware of that. kind of a bummer, considering how much the biomechanical aspect really sold the alien to me.

who came up with the final design?

Yes... :)

Giger wanted it to be supremely erotic, apparently forgetting it needs to be scary, as opposed to seduce. The ADI people took some of what he did and attempted their own version, keeping it much more in line with what we saw in other films.

Alien 3 alien looked nice. But the original looks almost like a differnt species.

Put it this way.

Alien 1 = Tiger.

Aliens = Lion.

Alien 3 = Cheetah.

Same species different looks. But the white dome with human skull at forefront always did it for me.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 26, 2007, 10:12:59 PM
Yes... :)

Giger wanted it to be supremely erotic, apparently forgetting it needs to be scary, as opposed to seduce. The ADI people took some of what he did and attempted their own version, keeping it much more in line with what we saw in other films.

Still, Giger's design was more biomechanical than the ADI's redux design.

I really don't like the idea of the predalien in the film, to me it's just a cheesy and cheap concept.

Quote from: gameoverman on Jul 27, 2007, 12:40:46 AM
Still, Giger's design was more biomechanical than the ADI's redux design.

Damned straight. Gimme back the unique biomechanical designs, not the overused unoriginal horribly dull un-scary flesh-monsters.

I just wanna see that subtle skull again. That thing was the most scary in my opinion. It related this erotic, elegant, smooth, biomechanicle being to a human corpse. Ingenious on Geigers part in my opinion, that guy was f**ked in the head but he could do some serious designing.

I'd like to see more hybrids in AVP2, I hope they make a Runner, Gorilla-Alien, Lion-Alien, they should make a scene where facehuggers go in the zoo and start f*cking up the some of the animals. ;D

Quote from: Aeus on Jul 27, 2007, 01:08:04 AM
I just wanna see that subtle skull again. That thing was the most scary in my opinion. It related this erotic, elegant, smooth, biomechanicle being to a human corpse. Ingenious on Geigers part in my opinion, that guy was f**ked in the head but he could do some serious designing.

He is f**ked in the head. He is very much alive.  ;)

Quote from: Predalien91 on Jul 26, 2007, 07:28:23 PM
They should redo the dog alien's looks so it looks more dogish. On Alien 3 it did not have any traits of a dog other then standing on four feet. I've been working on a sketching of a more dog like alien. If it turns out to be cool I'll post it.

Just the original Dog Alien with a dog skull for me.

Quote from: SiL on Jul 27, 2007, 12:43:06 AM
Damned straight. Gimme back the unique biomechanical designs, not the overused unoriginal horribly dull un-scary flesh-monsters.

damn right! part of what made the alien so strange and different - it didn't look like your run-o-the-mill Spooky Space Monster(TM) - it was this sleek, mechanoid entity that didn't behave or move in a manner that was familiar or recognizable. with the exceptions of the fear of fire and the human-esque phsyical distortions, it was utterly alien

Quote from: LukaKovach on Jul 27, 2007, 01:40:11 AM

Quote from: Aeus on Jul 27, 2007, 01:08:04 AM
I just wanna see that subtle skull again. That thing was the most scary in my opinion. It related this erotic, elegant, smooth, biomechanicle being to a human corpse. Ingenious on Geigers part in my opinion, that guy was f**ked in the head but he could do some serious designing.

He is f**ked in the head. He is very much alive.  ;)

:P

Quote from: LukaKovach on Jul 27, 2007, 12:42:11 AM
I really don't like the idea of the predalien in the film, to me it's just a cheesy and cheap concept.

I think what we all like in movies, when they are nearly realistic in their own genre...and its realistic that a facehugger could attack a human, a dog or even a pred....thats why i want some other hybrids it makes the movie more realistic for me and especially the other spectators(so not fans)...

Quote from: Aeus on Jul 27, 2007, 01:08:04 AM
I just wanna see that subtle skull again. That thing was the most scary in my opinion. It related this erotic, elegant, smooth, biomechanicle being to a human corpse. Ingenious on Geigers part in my opinion, that guy was f**ked in the head but he could do some serious designing.

To me, the scary thing about the "skull" was as if it were the ghost of the person the alien gestated in.

Quote from: DazAvP01 on Jul 27, 2007, 04:28:08 PM

Quote from: Aeus on Jul 27, 2007, 01:08:04 AM
I just wanna see that subtle skull again. That thing was the most scary in my opinion. It related this erotic, elegant, smooth, biomechanicle being to a human corpse. Ingenious on Geigers part in my opinion, that guy was f**ked in the head but he could do some serious designing.

To me, the scary thing about the "skull" was as if it were the ghost of the person the alien gestated in.

Thats a really good way of putting it.

Quote from: Aeus on Jul 27, 2007, 05:35:39 PM

Quote from: DazAvP01 on Jul 27, 2007, 04:28:08 PM

Quote from: Aeus on Jul 27, 2007, 01:08:04 AM
I just wanna see that subtle skull again. That thing was the most scary in my opinion. It related this erotic, elegant, smooth, biomechanicle being to a human corpse. Ingenious on Geigers part in my opinion, that guy was f**ked in the head but he could do some serious designing.

To me, the scary thing about the "skull" was as if it were the ghost of the person the alien gestated in.

Thats a really good way of putting it.

The Alien in Alien is almost a mutant clone of Kane.

What do you think guys? well, we know Predalien and drone aliens are in this, but im guessing the runner, or some other aliens, like the cat alien, maybe squuire alien (I douht that)

Besides the Predalien?  Whatever people guessed at in this thread:

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=3217.0

I'd Prefer Just the Predalien

Spider-Alien.
Snake Aline
Boar Alien
Shitty Alien
Smelly Alien
Predator Alien Queen Dog
Poodle Alien
Kitty Alien
Alien Alien

lol, imagine a facehugger doing... well, doing what it does to a snake. basically nothing happens except it looks like the snake is rather full.

i don't really want to see the kenner toy line up on the screen.

Maybe they'll add a runner, who knows?

I can imagine an Alien that grows up from a forest wolf or a bear. These animals are very agressive so it would be frappant for a Facehugger to jump onto these animals' face. But I think there will be only one hybrid Alien, the PredAlien.

Grasshopper Alien
Crab Alien
Jellyfish Alien

Parrot-Alien. It repeats everything it hears!

A Bear Alien would be actually a rather nice thing to see. There was also a Crocodile Alien in one of the Batman/Aliens comics.

I want see only human and dog aliens....  (i dont want even that predalien guy u know....)

The Predalien is essential as this is, afterall, Aliens Versus Predator. What would such a story be if that character wasn't used.

I also didn't imply that I want a Bear Alien to ASVP. That one is better suited for Alien 5 if it's ever made.

What would a mouse and cat alien look like?

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 01, 2007, 04:34:26 PM
What would a mouse and cat alien look like?

An alien from a cat is a runner, I don't think a facehugger could impragnate a mouse.

Well actually O think a cat alien has spikes on its head. And a facehugger could die, and mice would come along and eat the dead facehugger. That could work.

Just saying in AVP2 the game it says something like most quadrupeds on earth and other planets produce runners so i don't think that we'll see any bear aliens but you never know if there's crocodile aliens in batman there might be bear aliens but wolves would produce runners cos there similar to dogs

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 01, 2007, 04:52:05 PM
mice would come along and eat the dead facehugger. That could work.

Acid blood would prevent them from eating it.

But eventaullly drieing up like Bishop and Ash said.

yeh once the blood makes contact with oxygen doesn't it neutralize the acid im looking forward to the predalien as the adaptation from games and any novels/comics

Quote from: Katarn on Aug 01, 2007, 11:14:05 AM
Parrot-Alien. It repeats everything it hears!

Eat this! Squak! Eat this! Squak!

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 01, 2007, 05:28:06 PM
But eventaullly drieing up like Bishop and Ash said.

By the time that happens, any embryos that it wants to lay would be long dead.

Well we don't know that?

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 01, 2007, 06:38:59 PM
Well we don't know that?

No, but it makes sense.

Quote from: justaguy on Aug 01, 2007, 05:20:24 PM
Just saying in AVP2 the game it says something like most quadrupeds on earth and other planets produce runners so i don't think that we'll see any bear aliens but you never know if there's crocodile aliens in batman there might be bear aliens but wolves would produce runners cos there similar to dogs

Perhaps the bears would produce bigger and stronger runners.

Quote from: Nychus on Aug 02, 2007, 11:35:17 AM

Quote from: justaguy on Aug 01, 2007, 05:20:24 PM
Just saying in AVP2 the game it says something like most quadrupeds on earth and other planets produce runners so i don't think that we'll see any bear aliens but you never know if there's crocodile aliens in batman there might be bear aliens but wolves would produce runners cos there similar to dogs

Perhaps the bears would produce bigger and stronger runners.

And faster.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Aug 01, 2007, 05:41:45 PM

Quote from: Katarn on Aug 01, 2007, 11:14:05 AM
Parrot-Alien. It repeats everything it hears!

Eat this! Squak! Eat this! Squak!

Jerks!  ;D

If there will be other hybrids beyond the PredAlien, then it will be hybrids from agressive wild animals, for example wolf and bear.

The term 'runner' is starting to reach Yautja-like levels, for me...

Whys that? It's not that bad. I guess you don't like Predalien then?

There not all called runners, jeez. I think there called bear alien, wolf alien, runner, predalien, parret alien, rat alien, spiderman alien. The possiblities are endless.

I dont want to see any hybrids at all. Good god, i mean Alien 3 showed us the first hybrid alien, and look at what a crappy movie that was. AVP showed us the first Predalien (outside of a video game) and I damn near killed myself on the drive home. Keep it to the original concepts that made Alien, Aliens, and Predator so great.

Bottom line, stop trying to be clever. It is killing the franchise.

Except, according to Scott, host traits have been there from the start.

So...muwah!

It's because "runner" hasn't got anything to do with the films. It was a class shown up in the games and they didn't even come from dogs - they were magically different because they came from "Corporate humans", of all things.

Sure, they run, but so can ones from human beings and we don't call those ones "leapers" or whatever. :)

It just epitomises that whole 'believe-what-the-books-and-games-say' philosophy.

i personally would want the predalien, dog alien, MAYBE an abnormally strong and large alien (not the predalien)


hmmm...i wonder what would happen if a alien came out of a rabid dog???

Something not laughable or cheesy.

Quote from: pred_alien on Aug 03, 2007, 12:58:08 AM
hmmm...i wonder what would happen if a alien came out of a rabid dog???

A rabid runner?

Predalien. No more, no less

just predalien, maybe dog, just keep it simple i say

I say bring on the predalien runner, wolf alien, snake alien, and spider aliens. It would be cool to see these aliens interacting to each other and talking to each other and the queen.

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 03, 2007, 01:29:40 AM
I say bring on the predalien runner, wolf alien, snake alien, and spider aliens. It would be cool to see these aliens interacting to each other and talking to each other and the queen.

How the hell do you expect to see a Spider Alien?

Quote from: Its Game Time on Aug 03, 2007, 01:31:49 AM

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 03, 2007, 01:29:40 AM
I say bring on the predalien runner, wolf alien, snake alien, and spider aliens. It would be cool to see these aliens interacting to each other and talking to each other and the queen.

How the hell do you expect to see a Spider Alien?

it facehugges spiderman :P

What if Avp2 supprots the theory of a smaller facehugger? It could happen. Now I cant see ant aliens, but big spiders bigger then our hand span could get impregnented, or eat a dead facehugger.

Quote from: pred_alien on Aug 03, 2007, 01:32:58 AM

Quote from: Its Game Time on Aug 03, 2007, 01:31:49 AM

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 03, 2007, 01:29:40 AM
I say bring on the predalien runner, wolf alien, snake alien, and spider aliens. It would be cool to see these aliens interacting to each other and talking to each other and the queen.

How the hell do you expect to see a Spider Alien?

it facehugges spiderman :P

Oh well duh, that makes sense  ;D

Eggs are standard size.

Of course, I suppose egg-morphing opens up all kinds of possibilities, although I think if it tried stinging a turantula, it would be more likely to kill it than anything else. :) If it's jsut a special sort of mucous they use, then perhaps it could occur.

If they can transform stuff into eggs, then as silly as it sounds, I suppose that's one way to get different sizes of facehuggers existing. We know that Brett and Dallas kept the same size as a human being should do. It would have been interesting to see what could have emerged from them.

I wouldn't do that. I think the average versions are fine for virtually any purpose there is.

I would, however, think that reptilian and big cat (panther or tiger) hosts could make for a few wonderfully vicious examples.

it would be  cool if there was a zoo or something like that in the town...and the aliens took away all the animals as hosts...like komodo dragons, other large lizards, snakes, panthers, lions, bears, and whatever else is at a zoo

Predalien amd many runners (if it is cause by inpregnating a wolf, it could be more deadly, so I'm hoping for that.)

^ That would be sad! Its almost as sad as the aliens invading a nursery with babys as hosts.

I agree...it's fu<king dog alien and thats that...fu<king runner my a$$...LoL =P

God, the predalien is ENOUGH, I don't need a kangaroo alien and I certainly don't need a spider alien (seriously what the f**k?)

hmmm.... i would like to see an Andersen Alien (i mean a hybrid, born out from our beloved Paul V.)

he will attack people with a camera in his mouth (instead of inner-jaw), and the only way to defeat him will be to throw rotten tomatoes.

:)

I think Kenner wants to see spider aliens ;)

I want to see a Steven Seagal-Alien.

QuoteThat would be sad! Its almost as sad as the aliens invading a nursery with babys as hosts.

As fxxked up as it would be to see that, maybee the baby aliens would breast feed and wear diapers and there would be a scene where the predator changed a shity diaper off of the baby alien!!!!!!!

Quote from: LukaKovach on Aug 03, 2007, 03:25:48 AM
God, the predalien is ENOUGH, I don't need a kangaroo alien and I certainly don't need a spider alien (seriously what the f**k?)

I agree, maybe a dog alien but thats it.

thinking about it is cool, but trust me, we don't want to see new types. if it is done poorly, it will ruin the movie. just the predalien. maybe runners, but anything that isn't already canon should wait for later sequels.

that said, runners would actually be pretty tight. i say runner instead of dog alien because there could be a few animals that would work/make sense and be cool:
dog (obviously)
wolf  :)
f*cking cougar  ;D

also small towns don't have zoos. panther? tiger? no. try mountain lion ;)

runner = dog alien. the game's runner is a carbon copy.
although it makes no sense logic-wise to make them come out of corporates, there arent exactly any dogs running around in that game  to play in multiplayer are there? so it's practical. people want to play it, they fit it in wherever they can.

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Quote from: pred_alien on Aug 03, 2007, 12:58:08 AM
hmmm...i wonder what would happen if a alien came out of a rabid dog???

A rabid runner?

It impregnates Harrison Ford's dog and we get a Bladerunner.

A Chuck Norris Alien

I really think that quote was taken out of context - there has been no indication of other hybrids besides the predalien yet.

I wanna see a alien born from a alien :O
It could be a super alien

an alien rouge like when a human is impregnated it gets exposed to rediation and soon does not follow hive orders and turns on them and hides in the sewers for unsuspecting victons to impregnate with a new wierd form of impregnation that does not need to be a queen


or the alien that killed 2 predators and only died from an explosion be cuase they where too weak to kill it :P however it died  :'( :'( :'( :'( all of you weep for its poor soul if it has one  :D but i would like one that resembles it even if it isnt a hybrid

I'm quite suprised a number of people are against seeing "hybrids" other than the PredAlien in the film. Granted that some ideas of potential hybrids could be really bad, but personally I'd like to see the "runner" again, and perhaps something with wings? There was an Alien toy in the '90s that had wings and a headcrest, which I thought was pretty cool. An arachnid multi-legged Alien maybe fun, but also difficult to get around how a face hugger would impregnate a spider/taranchula.

Quote from: DazAvP01 on Aug 03, 2007, 04:54:46 PM
I'm quite suprised a number of people are against seeing "hybrids" other than the PredAlien in the film. Granted that some ideas of potential hybrids could be really bad, but personally I'd like to see the "runner" again, and perhaps something with wings? There was an Alien toy in the '90s that had wings and a headcrest, which I thought was pretty cool. An arachnid multi-legged Alien maybe fun, but also difficult to get around how a face hugger would impregnate a spider/taranchula.

That would make the alien movies more like a circus than credible films.

Hey Kenner's alien designs, some wern't bad, like the bull alien would fit perfect in the alien around AVP2.

Yes but flying aliens? 8 legged spider aliens? One of the Kenner toys was a massive snake alien. No no and no.

Quote from: slipknotpredator on Aug 03, 2007, 12:28:37 PM
A Chuck Norris Alien

Yeah, maybe thats a big suprise they are having. I can see it now.

"Chuck norris comes to the town, well, a facehugger sneaks up behind  him and jumps his face. It dies not even a minute later. Chuck gets up and then the alien bursts out of his chest, yet for some reason, he isnt even phased. He runs away.

Later, the chuck norris alien meets up with preddie. Preddie pulls out his shuriken and throws it at the alien. The alien just blinks and the shuriken goes flying back and slices preddies head right off.

Oh and the alien has a beard"


So, does that make sense?

Quote from: Its Game Time on Aug 03, 2007, 07:00:45 PM

Quote from: slipknotpredator on Aug 03, 2007, 12:28:37 PM
A Chuck Norris Alien

Yeah, maybe thats a big suprise they are having. I can see it now.

"Chuck norris comes to the town, well, a facehugger sneaks up behind  him and jumps his face. It dies not even a minute later. Chuck gets up and then the alien bursts out of his chest, yet for some reason, he isnt even phased. He runs away.

Later, the chuck norris alien meets up with preddie. Preddie pulls out his shuriken and throws it at the alien. The alien just blinks and the shuriken goes flying back and slices preddies head right off.

Oh and the alien has a beard"


So, does that make sense?

... not in the slightest, but okaaaay.

Quote from: darkbladepred on Aug 03, 2007, 07:27:58 PM

Quote from: Its Game Time on Aug 03, 2007, 07:00:45 PM

Quote from: slipknotpredator on Aug 03, 2007, 12:28:37 PM
A Chuck Norris Alien

Yeah, maybe thats a big suprise they are having. I can see it now.

"Chuck norris comes to the town, well, a facehugger sneaks up behind  him and jumps his face. It dies not even a minute later. Chuck gets up and then the alien bursts out of his chest, yet for some reason, he isnt even phased. He runs away.

Later, the chuck norris alien meets up with preddie. Preddie pulls out his shuriken and throws it at the alien. The alien just blinks and the shuriken goes flying back and slices preddies head right off.

Oh and the alien has a beard"


So, does that make sense?

... not in the slightest, but okaaaay.

Well if it doesnt make sense to you then you have no idea who Chuck norris is then, huh?

Quote from: pred_alien on Aug 03, 2007, 02:06:03 AM
it would be  cool if there was a zoo or something like that in the town...and the aliens took away all the animals as hosts...like komodo dragons, other large lizards, snakes, panthers, lions, bears, and whatever else is at a zoo

I came up with the idea of a small zoo, over on the IMDB forum, because I had a great idea for it, based on a real account (of army ants invading a place where animals were unfortunately caged up, unable to escape, back at the time).

After all, an invasion of massed facehuggers would be extremely impressive. I could even imagine a scene, immediately before, where the Queen hisses out a screamed command, then seeing the eggs all around starting to hatch and head off in the same direction.

Anyway, the basic premise of it would be that it would be an ideal way to get different version - and it would be cheap. Only a few would actually need to be seen, then we switch ot the following morning and we see these horrific animal carcasses laying around. They would be cheap enough to make and the guts could simply be created from a trip to the local butcher's, a lot like the original film did for the first facehugger's innards (except with shellfish, if memory serves right).

Have always wanted to see a massed facehugger invasion. :) Or even a mixture of facehuggers and adults, holding down hosts, leaping upon them to impregnate, then having the 'escorts' drag away the unconscious bodies, when all is said and done.

I asked if anyone knows whether the real town is meant to have a zoo or not, but nobody knew. The directors have also revealed they're going to portray it as a lot larger than most think, which leaves room for that.

Also, just about the only Kenner toy which was any good was the serpent edition. The jaws on that thing were fantastic, although the fanning neck looked too bizarre.

Too many people assume different versions would like like the Kenner like had. If those things had been given nearly the same time and effort put into them as that recent Predalien model had, they would have been lightyears ahead of what they were.

If we get things as good as that, then I'm all for seeing some inventiveness with them. If they end up like the Kenner things were, then no, they'll be crap.

But these aren't Kenner. These have budgets of thousands, if not a few millions, put into the design. They'd be much better.

Also... Nobody's asked this, yet. We have no idea if the directors invited Giger to work with ADI yet. If they had him working on all these other versions, I'm betting even those dead against the idea of seeing more would be in love with it. :)

QuoteAlso... Nobody's asked this, yet. We have no idea if the directors invited Giger to work with ADI yet.

Even if he had been asked, he would've said no. Fox dicked him over too much and he really has no intention of working on films ever again. Not to mention he'd cost a shitload, and this movie's being done on the cheap.

There should have been. They put those weird and pointless insect things in all over the place.

Also, doesn't he have 'beef' with ADI?

Think I heard that around here, to do with Resurrection.

He needs money, too. :) I doubt that he has, but nobody's asked and it remains a vague possibility. From previous comments, it seems as if he might do it if the 'right' people came along, giving guarantees to preserve his vision intact, in some way.

Surely we would have noticed something to back this up when we saw the alien designs though?

Agreed

I don't mind different hybrids, I just don't want them to try too hard to make a Bear Alien look like a Bear. I could see it getting silly. I don't think there would be much difference between a Dog Alien and a Bear Alien, other than size.

Quote from: Its Game Time on Aug 03, 2007, 07:58:03 PM

Quote from: darkbladepred on Aug 03, 2007, 07:27:58 PM

Quote from: Its Game Time on Aug 03, 2007, 07:00:45 PM

Quote from: slipknotpredator on Aug 03, 2007, 12:28:37 PM
A Chuck Norris Alien

Yeah, maybe thats a big suprise they are having. I can see it now.

"Chuck norris comes to the town, well, a facehugger sneaks up behind  him and jumps his face. It dies not even a minute later. Chuck gets up and then the alien bursts out of his chest, yet for some reason, he isnt even phased. He runs away.

Later, the chuck norris alien meets up with preddie. Preddie pulls out his shuriken and throws it at the alien. The alien just blinks and the shuriken goes flying back and slices preddies head right off.

Oh and the alien has a beard"


So, does that make sense?

... not in the slightest, but okaaaay.

Well if it doesnt make sense to you then you have no idea who Chuck norris is then, huh?

I know who Chuk Norris is. The story was just insane is all.

Wow you guys must be smoking some good shit.

Not trying to be rude, but some of these ideas are just plain dumb. Remember that thread about what would make you walk out of the movie? Put all the "morphed eggs" "Spider alien" "alien with wings" ideas into that column for me. Seriously. I dont need to see some gay new alien type every movie to peek my intrested. For god sake. Good story line. Good acting. Good action/gore. These are the things that make a good movie. When you take the focus off that, we all suffer. No new gayness, kthnxbye.

Let the franchise keep SOME dignity after AvP...

Quote from: Nihkoute on Aug 03, 2007, 11:34:05 PM
Wow you guys must be smoking some good shit.

Not trying to be rude, but some of these ideas are just plain dumb. Remember that thread about what would make you walk out of the movie? Put all the "morphed eggs" "Spider alien" "alien with wings" ideas into that column for me. Seriously. I dont need to see some gay new alien type every movie to peek my intrested. For god sake. Good story line. Good acting. Good action/gore. These are the things that make a good movie. When you take the focus off that, we all suffer. No new gayness, kthnxbye.

Let the franchise keep SOME dignity after AvP...

but if there are hybrids it shows how the aliens can adapt to new environments by taking on traits of their hosts

surely, if the alien is the ultimate organism, its kind of paradoxical for it to take on the traits of animal hosts which aren't the dominant species?

Quote from: pred_alien on Aug 03, 2007, 11:46:10 PM

Quote from: Nihkoute on Aug 03, 2007, 11:34:05 PM
Wow you guys must be smoking some good shit.

Not trying to be rude, but some of these ideas are just plain dumb. Remember that thread about what would make you walk out of the movie? Put all the "morphed eggs" "Spider alien" "alien with wings" ideas into that column for me. Seriously. I dont need to see some gay new alien type every movie to peek my intrested. For god sake. Good story line. Good acting. Good action/gore. These are the things that make a good movie. When you take the focus off that, we all suffer. No new gayness, kthnxbye.

Let the franchise keep SOME dignity after AvP...

but if there are hybrids it shows how the aliens can adapt to new environments by taking on traits of their hosts

We've already been shown that with A3

Quote from: darkbladepred on Aug 03, 2007, 11:14:52 PM

Quote from: Its Game Time on Aug 03, 2007, 07:58:03 PM

Quote from: darkbladepred on Aug 03, 2007, 07:27:58 PM

Quote from: Its Game Time on Aug 03, 2007, 07:00:45 PM

Quote from: slipknotpredator on Aug 03, 2007, 12:28:37 PM
A Chuck Norris Alien

Yeah, maybe thats a big suprise they are having. I can see it now.

"Chuck norris comes to the town, well, a facehugger sneaks up behind  him and jumps his face. It dies not even a minute later. Chuck gets up and then the alien bursts out of his chest, yet for some reason, he isnt even phased. He runs away.

Later, the chuck norris alien meets up with preddie. Preddie pulls out his shuriken and throws it at the alien. The alien just blinks and the shuriken goes flying back and slices preddies head right off.

Oh and the alien has a beard"


So, does that make sense?

... not in the slightest, but okaaaay.

Well if it doesnt make sense to you then you have no idea who Chuck norris is then, huh?

I know who Chuk Norris is. The story was just insane is all.

Of course it was insane, i'm not being serious.........or am i? ;)

Quote from: Lovely Man on Aug 04, 2007, 12:08:05 AM

Quote from: pred_alien on Aug 03, 2007, 11:46:10 PM

Quote from: Nihkoute on Aug 03, 2007, 11:34:05 PM
Wow you guys must be smoking some good shit.

Not trying to be rude, but some of these ideas are just plain dumb. Remember that thread about what would make you walk out of the movie? Put all the "morphed eggs" "Spider alien" "alien with wings" ideas into that column for me. Seriously. I dont need to see some gay new alien type every movie to peek my intrested. For god sake. Good story line. Good acting. Good action/gore. These are the things that make a good movie. When you take the focus off that, we all suffer. No new gayness, kthnxbye.

Let the franchise keep SOME dignity after AvP...

but if there are hybrids it shows how the aliens can adapt to new environments by taking on traits of their hosts

We've already been shown that with A3

yeah a dog alien...woudlnt it be cool if we saw how other aliens looked?? the aliens coming from humans are kinda boring...we need something different

AVP2 can't have a Chuck Norris Alien Because the original title for Alien vs. Predator was Alien and Predator vs Chuck Norris. The film was cancelled shortly after going into preproduction. No one would pay nine dollars to see a movie fourteen seconds long.

So if it didn't work with the first AVP Then it won't work for AVP2. Plus would you really pay nine dollars to see a movie Fourteen seconds Long...?  

Quote from: aliensetta on Aug 04, 2007, 01:38:58 AM
AVP2 can't have a Chuck Norris Alien Because the original title for Alien vs. Predator was Alien and Predator vs Chuck Norris. The film was cancelled shortly after going into preproduction. No one would pay nine dollars to see a movie fourteen seconds long.

So if it didn't work with the first AVP Then it won't work for AVP2. Plus would you really pay nine dollars to see a movie Fourteen seconds Long...?  

depends on what happened in those fourteen seconds
or if i had fourteen seconds to waste :P

The most logical thing will be for there to be other types. Some of the characters have to put two and two together, realise the 'link' between some spawned corpse and a creature which happens to share a few similarities, then understand what the Predalien has to represent.

It's the easiest thematic way for the human characters to understand what it means.

Besides, if they're going to be in a town, it's going to be unrealistic to not see at least two or three different versions. Aliens are efficient. They're going to take the first damn thing which comes along and cocoon it.

If we don't see a few hosted cats and dogs or something else, it would be surprising.

Very true

They aren't going to nit pick hosts, all they want to do is multiply, they don't care how, or who...just to instinctively multiply, eat, and nothing more.   

I expect about 3 new aliens including predalien

3 you say?

i only hope to see the Predalien and runner

I would love to see the dog alien make a return, but i dont think so.

Why does everybody want a dog alien. I never even realised that one was any different than the aliens in alien and aliens until i found this forum.

To me it looks just the same, it just operates on 4 legs more often and looks thinner.

Yeah, the differences are subtle and best represented in pictures of the model.

Quote from: azerty on Aug 04, 2007, 07:52:55 PM
Why does everybody want a dog alien. I never even realised that one was any different than the aliens in alien and aliens until i found this forum.

To me it looks just the same, it just operates on 4 legs more often and looks thinner.

It's also missing the dorsal tubes and that spiked thing that could be a spine of some sort, it sticks out of the back, right where the neck connects to the body. I have no idea what it's called if anyone knows please clarify.

and what's the deal with the alien heads? Sometimes they are smooth sometimes it's rough.

I like the smooth heads more, they look really shiny :D

Toys for these aliens have been made in the past, so i reckon 1 or 2 of them might make an appearance. To me the panther, bull and gorilla alien look good as a toy.

Scorpion Alien
Gorilla Alien
Bull Alien
Rhino Alien (Bull remold)
Mantis Alien (Gorilla remold)
Snake Alien
Queen Facehugger
Flying Queen Alien
Killer Crab Alien
Hive Warrior Alien
Panther Alien
Wild Boar Alien
Night Cougar Alien (Panther repaint)
King Alien
Arachnid Alien (limited release)
Swarm Alien (limited release)
Acid Alien (unreleased prior to Hive Wars)
Super-evolution Alien (Serbian:Return of The Alien comic)
Giant Alien (The Destroying Angels)

The serpent version was the only which really looked impressive. 'Scorpion' was just an attempt to make the one from the films.

I actually like the ravager from extinction with the big slicing claws!

Quote from: MR. KEYES on Aug 05, 2007, 07:00:31 PM
I actually like the ravager from extinction with the big slicing claws!

Yeah the Carrier and the Ravager would actually be good additions.  I mean they were believable.  For me I'd like to see about six runners: five dogaliens and one wolf alien that leads the pack.

id like to see some new ones, maybe a scorpion alien. if they had one of them, it should have an acid sting, and claws insted of hands, it could be good.

Quote from: MR. KEYES on Aug 05, 2007, 07:00:31 PM
I actually like the ravager from extinction with the big slicing claws!

You should go and satisfy yourself with the tyranids, then. :)

A bear alien would be good much bigger and massive, attacking mostly by his strong arms. Imagine bears roar combined with aliens sounds. I can nearly hear it ;D

Quote from: The Ultimate Predator on Dec 22, 2006, 02:04:02 PM
Quite possible. A flying alien..............

no. no. no. that would suck, cgi flight would look shitty.

I would just like the Predalien and a possible Runner appearance. That's about as far as I feel it should go in terms of out-of-the-blue Aliens.

Quote from: The Ultimate Predator on Dec 22, 2006, 02:04:02 PM
Quite possible. A flying alien..............

kill predator while flying ???

Quote from: azerty on Aug 05, 2007, 06:21:34 PM
Toys for these aliens have been made in the past, so i reckon 1 or 2 of them might make an appearance. To me the panther, bull and gorilla alien look good as a toy.

Scorpion Alien
Gorilla Alien
Bull Alien
Rhino Alien (Bull remold)
Mantis Alien (Gorilla remold)
Snake Alien
Queen Facehugger
Flying Queen Alien
Killer Crab Alien
Hive Warrior Alien
Panther Alien
Wild Boar Alien
Night Cougar Alien (Panther repaint)
King Alien
Arachnid Alien (limited release)
Swarm Alien (limited release)
Acid Alien (unreleased prior to Hive Wars)
Super-evolution Alien (Serbian:Return of The Alien comic)
Giant Alien (The Destroying Angels)

the toys were nuts. i think i've still got a bunch of them -- got them as a kid as they were coming out. at least they weren't as bad as the ninja turtles toys. man, whoever was in charge of making those up did some serious drugs.

Quote from: brad873 on Aug 29, 2007, 09:09:06 PM
id like to see some new ones, maybe a scorpion alien. if they had one of them, it should have an acid sting, and claws insted of hands, it could be good.

the "scorpion alien" in the toys was (originally) the closest you could get to regular a2 alien. it exploded, but only when you didn't want it to.

anyways, personally, i'd just like to see some good old fashioned alien design. the bits i've seen so far look pretty decent, back to the biomechanical look. but they've still messed up the shoulders.

arachnophile, it's pretty obvious that he wasn't talking about toys when he mentioned the scorpion alien.

Though it's pretty near impossible for a facehugger to rape something as small as a scorpion.

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Aug 30, 2007, 07:33:50 AM
arachnophile, it's pretty obvious that he wasn't talking about toys when he mentioned the scorpion alien.

Though it's pretty near impossible for a facehugger to rape something as small as a scorpion.

Thank you...

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Aug 30, 2007, 07:33:50 AM
arachnophile, it's pretty obvious that he wasn't talking about toys when he mentioned the scorpion alien.

Though it's pretty near impossible for a facehugger to rape something as small as a scorpion.

well, i had to take a guess, seeing as how one possibility was absurd, and the other previously referenced a few posts above.

migi facehuggers, or maybe the preds have some scorp like animales on there planet, but bigger. maybe an alieeno alien

Quote from: brad873 on Aug 30, 2007, 07:49:50 AM
migi facehuggers, or maybe the preds have some scorp like animales on there planet, but bigger. maybe an alieeno alien

Retarded...and retarded...no thanks...

Quoteseeing as how one possibility was absurd, and the other previously referenced a few posts above.

While the two posts directly above his had nothing to do with the toys at all.  Plus he described the kind of scorpion he had in mind.  The idea may have been flawed, but it certainly wasn't vague.

In Batman/Aliens crossover there was aligator alien hybrid and it was really cool. But I don`t think that there are aligators where avp-r takes place.

Quote from: Master on Aug 30, 2007, 08:25:54 AM
In Batman/Aliens crossover there was aligator alien hybrid and it was really cool. But I don`t think that there are aligators where avp-r takes place.

lol. no i don't think there will be alligators in the sewers of gunnison.

But it would be cool to see Wolf battle pwn an alligator 8)

What if the facehuggers get lose in a zoo or something. Imagine a lion sleeping peacefully... it smells something coming. It starts going crazy like the dogs in 'John Carpenter's The Thing', easy prey for a facehugger me thinks.  You could have a scene where you see the facehuggers crawling into this park and it pans back and you see the Gunnison zoo sign, thats when the animals start screaming and roaring. I expect a Runner Alien to be in this film because there will be loads of pet dogs chained up for easy pickings.

^I stand by what I said before

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jul 18, 2007, 03:17:57 AM
I don't mind seeing a few non-human hybrid variations for flavor, just so long as it doesn't turn into a Noah's Ark of ridiculous proportions.

A zoo would kind of qualify.  Never mind the budget constraints.

Quote from: To The Death on Aug 30, 2007, 09:09:17 AM
What if the facehuggers get lose in a zoo or something.

most of the DNA used by animal life on earth is the same, around 90% or so. the alien only seems to sample some of that, for basic "what works on this planet" kind of purposes.

i dare say, you'll get some slightly different proportions, some four-legged variations, but that's about it.

a facehugger, on a giant spider crab, it could happen, or a coconut crab, or a girraf. or, a shark. im sure they could be made to look good

A large octopus or jumbo/giant squid could occur, in the right circumstances.

And what would those be, a fish market?

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Aug 30, 2007, 09:24:29 PM
And what would those be, a fish market?

I don't doubt facehuggers can swim. :)

The only hybrid that should be in this movie is just the predalien, This is Aliens vs Predator not, the circus vs Predator, Gosh  >:(

WHALE ALIEN

the only plausible hybrids there could be are maybe:

-a wolf alien
-a mountain lion(puma, a.k.a cougar) alien
- a dog alien(but close enought to the wolf i'd imagine)
- a bear alien
-a wolverine alien
-a bobcat alien

realisticly these are the only really vicious wild animals that you know would be in the woods of colorado(not the dog, you know what i mean) and if the town became infested, facehuggers could possibly attach themself to them. Without going out of the way to try to make a case for hybrids of aliens and animals you wouldn't naturally find there. Like alligators..etc., or an octupus or whale..etc as people here have suggested.

you could argue for rabbits, as they can probably get facehugged as well as badgers, ...etc. but that is beyond lame. lol

Im pretty skeptical that we will see any of those hybrids. But for fun here is the list of actual wildlife that lives in colorado:

http://wildlife.state.co.us/WildlifeSpecies/Profiles/

Superman faced hugged.

Quote from: Daweism on Aug 31, 2007, 01:12:20 AM
Superman faced hugged.

now that would be the shit!

Quote from: Daweism on Aug 31, 2007, 01:12:20 AM
Superman faced hugged.

its not like the alien which bursts out of him will be able to shoot beams from his eyes or fly. lol
nor would "kryptonite" hurt it.

Quote from: Daweism on Aug 31, 2007, 01:12:20 AM
Superman faced hugged.

in the comics.

QuoteI don't doubt facehuggers can swim.

But you don't find many cephalopods in Colorado.

Quote

Quote from: Daweism on Aug 31, 2007, 01:12:20 AM
Superman faced hugged.

now that would be the shit!

Yes, a big stinking pile of it.

Now that's one big pile of shit. -Malcolm=JP.

where does the facehugger go to if the alien has wings...is it go to a bird??

facehugger on a facehugger

You got wanna have some runners or big bear aliens. Not sure about flying aliens that would be a bit unbelievable as most birds would be too small to face hug i think.

Hell, we might as well bring the whole "Kenner" line-up to the big screen.


What, no one likes the idea of seeing the Crab Alien™ in action after all these years?

::)


Edit:  I just noticed that other people have already mentioned that.  My apologies.

God no, not kenner's night cougar and crab alien. how the f**k would a crab get facehugged it's tiny.

Quote from: Fazz on Aug 31, 2007, 10:20:54 AM
God no, not kenner's night cougar and crab alien. how the f**k would a crab get facehugged it's tiny.

Oh, I don't know.  C'mon, you don't like the idea of a flying, mohawk-sporting, queen alien with red veins running up it's cranium?

I was always pretty fond of it.

/sarcasm off

I don't know rhino aliens make sense but cougar aliens would just be runners and a flying queen would make me not want to see the film.

Quote from: Yaurrada6 on Aug 31, 2007, 10:06:35 AM
What, no one likes the idea of seeing the Crab Alien™ in action after all these years?

"Crab battle!!" :D

QuoteYou got wanna have some runners or big bear aliens. Not sure about flying aliens that would be a bit unbelievable as most birds would be too small to face hug i think.

Even if a big bird was facehugged (e.g. a condor) the Alien born from it couldn't fly, because a bird needs feathers set in a right configuration to fly. And not only we know that the Aliens don't copy the fleshy parts, they also change and deform the host traits. So a bird-born Alien could have arms in the shape of a bird's arm skeletal structure, but it wouldn't have any feathers.

QuoteGod no, not kenner's night cougar and crab alien. how the f**k would a crab get facehugged it's tiny.

What if it facehugged a Giant Enemy Crab?

How many giant enemy crabs do you know of?

spider crab. what if one got a bat, the mouth is big enough too put an egg in, but im thinking the chest buster would be small

Yeh that could work but the alien would be tiny.

While we're at it, how about a mudskipper alien huh? Imagine that sucker w/o arms or legs, but have a huge dorsal fin to slice you in half  ;D

will it have a headbiter????????

Quote from: Irritator on Aug 31, 2007, 11:05:05 AM

QuoteYou got wanna have some runners or big bear aliens. Not sure about flying aliens that would be a bit unbelievable as most birds would be too small to face hug i think.

Even if a big bird was facehugged (e.g. a condor) the Alien born from it couldn't fly, because a bird needs feathers set in a right configuration to fly. And not only we know that the Aliens don't copy the fleshy parts, they also change and deform the host traits. So a bird-born Alien could have arms in the shape of a bird's arm skeletal structure, but it wouldn't have any feathers.

QuoteGod no, not kenner's night cougar and crab alien. how the f**k would a crab get facehugged it's tiny.

What if it facehugged a Giant Enemy Crab?

Then wolf would have to attack it's weak point, for massive damage.

QuoteThen wolf would have to attack it's weak point, for massive damage.

The Wolf is hundreds years old, he posseses actual ancient Japanese knowledge on fighting Giant Enemy Crabs.

QuoteI don't know rhino aliens make sense

In Colorado???

And I've got your Alien Crab right here.

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Aug 31, 2007, 05:54:08 PM

QuoteI don't know rhino aliens make sense

In Colorado???

And I've got your Alien Crab right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlHhBdEzcAc

Whoop whoopopoopopoopop

By the way where can I see pictures of the toys?

Quote from: Vemados on Aug 31, 2007, 06:12:14 PM

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Aug 31, 2007, 05:54:08 PM

QuoteI don't know rhino aliens make sense

In Colorado???

And I've got your Alien Crab right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlHhBdEzcAc

Whoop whoopopoopopoopop

By the way where can I see pictures of the toys?

I used to have a lot of the toys back in 1995-1996 when they came out (at least i think that's when they came out) The rhino alien was basically just the bull alien with a different design, it was pretty cheap to get kids to re-buy essentially the same toys over again. lol
The mantis alien was just a re-design of the gorilla alien.

It should be pointed out that, according to the miniature comics which came with those figures, they never hugged any of those creatures. :) If memory serves right, they were being genetically spliced by scientists in some laboratory.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 31, 2007, 07:48:50 PM
It should be pointed out that, according to the miniature comics which came with those figures, they never hugged any of those creatures. :) If memory serves right, they were being genetically spliced by scientists in some laboratory.

Not entirely true.  There were numbers of dead animals in them as well.

Oh, on a separate note, I'm not for this idea.  I only mentioned the toys as a joke.

Quote from: Fazz on Aug 31, 2007, 01:09:08 PM
Yeh that could work but the alien would be tiny.

it may have a few extra molts to grow to full size. they mat be able to impregnate small animales, but it takes longer for them to grow

Or maybe faster, considering the short lifespan of most insects.

But how can it be logically possible for a facehugger's tube to fit into an insects mouth and fit down it's throat...?

I for one don't see it...

im not counting bugs, they are to small, and wasnt it sed aliens wernt bugs

I have no clue, that made me wonder how an spider would even get impregnanted. My friend back then told me that there were dead facehuggers with there tubes still intact, and all the insects would eat the remains. But I douht that.

Quote from: brad873 on Aug 31, 2007, 08:39:36 PM
[...] and wasnt it sed aliens wernt bugs

What does that have to do with my post...?

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 31, 2007, 08:40:10 PM
[...] My friend back then told me that there were dead facehuggers with there tubes still intact, and all the insects would eat the remains. But I douht that.

I agree with you...that might be the stupidest explanation for anything, ever... ;)

QuoteBut how can it be logically possible for a facehugger's tube to fit into an insects mouth and fit down it's throat...?

That's the point I made earlier: The can't.  Not unless they have an extra-special micro penis for just such an occasion.

haha, good one. but there may have been more things on that ship to impregnate, if there were facehuggers, whats to say there wernt any giant scorpion like things, or giant bat like things. it may have been a reserch ship colecting specamins. it may have crashed to earth after an attack of some sort, but was on its way to collect some earth creatures (dogs, humans, crabs, ect)

Another one with the crabs...what is the need to see a crabalien...it would only look stupid and would never be done right and in my opinion, should never even be considered...let's keep it simple and smart...and avoid the camp that could be thrown into these movies...

But I do have to say, I had the crab alien, and the design was killer. It just didn;t make snese to how.

can someone send a link to a pic of the crabalien

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg165.imageshack.us%2Fimg165%2F8788%2Ffigcrabloose1a46e7c1bbsf7.jpg&hash=dd1a9d22194bc189567c7bb9e2494e95e367a8a7)

^ It was a neat alien.

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 31, 2007, 09:20:57 PM
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8788/figcrabloose1a46e7c1bbsf7.jpg

^ It was a neat alien.

No offense...but that is the biggest piece of crap I have ever seen...

Here's some fun stuff that I found in the Fan Art section at planetavp.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg123.imageshack.us%2Fimg123%2F5505%2Falienfly2dz9.jpg&hash=df93403ce0bd0d07d2d8bc287b0bd13c6cd86196) (http://imageshack.us)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg341.imageshack.us%2Fimg341%2F6726%2Faliensnakeor4.jpg&hash=41473260d57a6702a4b189dcb44d200b70470980) (http://imageshack.us)

^ Wow that bat looks really nice. I hope they never put it in a movie, but it would be nice to see something like this in a comic or something.

i like the snake and the bat, but that crabs had potential and they destroyed it, that thing suckes.

Quote from: brad873 on Aug 31, 2007, 09:41:11 PM
i like the snake and the bat, but that crabs had potential and they destroyed it, that thing suckes.

It was a toy made for 7 yr olds, I doubt that they had their creative geniuses working on it.

but still, its crap. it wasnt made for 7 year olds, it was made for hard core fans to make fun of :D ;D

^_^ HEY! I loved it! A quick story, I used to love them, intil the lawn mower ran them over,  >:( :( :o  :'(  Then I buried them when I was 6 years old.

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 31, 2007, 11:01:07 PM
^_^ HEY! I loved it! A quick story, I used to love them, intil the lawn mower ran them over,  >:( :( :o  :'(  Then I buried them when I was 6 years old.

i still have most of mine somewhere.

but god those things were awful. it's like they think kids are stupid. i guess we were for buying them.

The Bat Alien looks silly, but the Snake Alien is pretty awesome. At least, to me. I've never seen the figurine versions.

Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Aug 31, 2007, 11:54:04 PM
The Bat Alien looks silly, but the Snake Alien is pretty awesome. At least, to me. I've never seen the figurine versions.

this is the best page i can find on short notice, but it's sadly incomplete by way of web-deterioration. links breaking and such.

http://www.toyarchive.com/Aliens/Toys/AliensFigures.html

Heh, I like the snake! A bit too bulky. Just needs some slimming down. :)

haha I have the Mantis Alien. I wonder how much they are worth now.

also, I went to a horror convention about a week ago, and apparently this "what if alien hybird" thing was done with the Predator as well. I saw a "Battle Ready" Predator. It looked nothing like a Predator, just a figure covered head to toe in gold armor and a different mask. I honestly wouldn't have been able to tell it was a Predator if it wasn't for the picture of one  on the front of the box.

Haha, I love how the marine toys have large robotic arms, with a rocket laucher back pack, with grabber like guns, lmao. And the ATX robot?

I said to myself, "how and the f**k would a facehugger been able to impregnate a mantis and a spider? i mean that is total fiction.

Somethign i would like to see in the movie is a dog alien with the ridge head. That would be intresting.

QuoteI said to myself, "how and the f**k would a facehugger been able to impregnate a mantis and a spider? i mean that is total fiction.

They go to Monster Island. :P

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 31, 2007, 09:20:57 PM
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8788/figcrabloose1a46e7c1bbsf7.jpg

^ It was a neat alien.

hybrid alien ???

Quote from: Gill Predator on Sep 01, 2007, 03:33:57 AM

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Aug 31, 2007, 09:20:57 PM
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8788/figcrabloose1a46e7c1bbsf7.jpg

^ It was a neat alien.

hybrid alien ???

No...a sh!t bag alien... ;)

how about a weasel alien? anyone? :D or an elephant alien?

How about a Mr. Keyes alien?  ;D

Quote from: Gates on Sep 01, 2007, 03:40:36 AM
How about a Mr. Keyes alien?  ;D

with the big mouth and wierd eyes......and the funny ass quotes. an alien saying "GUESS WHO'S BACK?" :D

Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Sep 01, 2007, 12:58:36 AM
haha I have the Mantis Alien. I wonder how much they are worth now.

not a damned thing. i checked once, having a bag full of assort aliens crap i bought as a kid.

Quote from: arachnophilia on Sep 01, 2007, 05:23:24 AM

Quote from: ScarPredator16 on Sep 01, 2007, 12:58:36 AM
haha I have the Mantis Alien. I wonder how much they are worth now.

not a damned thing. i checked once, having a bag full of assort aliens crap i bought as a kid.

if you hadn't opened them they might have been worth something..lol

Quote from: ballzanya on Sep 01, 2007, 05:25:57 AM
if you hadn't opened them they might have been worth something..lol

i was 12.

and even then, this one (http://cgi.ebay.com/Kenner-Aliens-vs-Predator-Action-2-Figure-Set-MOC-93_W0QQitemZ290155119497QQihZ019QQcategoryZ348QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) was my favourite. at a whopping 15 bucks, it's one of the more expensive ones on ebay at the moment.

I don't want big changes to make hybrids, I just want some subtle differences that make them more dangerous. And no outragious animals either, like spiders or bats, I want some dog or a puma.

Quote from: Danger Close on Sep 01, 2007, 05:44:35 AM
I don't want big changes to make hybrids, I just want some subtle differences that make them more dangerous. And no outragious animals either, like spiders or bats, I want some dog or a puma.

i suspect all four-legged animals would look relatively similar. we might get some fun variation with apes, though -- longer arms and such.

Quote from: arachnophilia on Sep 01, 2007, 12:14:18 AMthis is the best page i can find on short notice, but it's sadly incomplete by way of web-deterioration. links breaking and such.

http://www.toyarchive.com/Aliens/Toys/AliensFigures.html

Wow. Small world- I actually own the Mantis Alien. I just forgot about it. I could have sworn I also had the Queen Hive playset at one point. The knockoffs look pretty bad, though...you'd figure even cheap knock-offs can get the basics right...

Quote from: MR. KEYES on Sep 01, 2007, 03:39:29 AM
how about an elephant alien?

A gargantuan alien with a trunk ???

Quote from: Predalien warrior on Sep 01, 2007, 06:13:54 AM

Quote from: MR. KEYES on Sep 01, 2007, 03:39:29 AM
how about an elephant alien?

A gargantuan alien with a trunk ???

yeah maybe...something that would piss off people and make them laugh at the sametime.

It would be better than the Newborn, which made me want to laugh and cry "why?!" at the same time.

Quote from: arachnophilia on Sep 01, 2007, 12:14:18 AM

Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Aug 31, 2007, 11:54:04 PM
The Bat Alien looks silly, but the Snake Alien is pretty awesome. At least, to me. I've never seen the figurine versions.

this is the best page i can find on short notice, but it's sadly incomplete by way of web-deterioration. links breaking and such.

http://www.toyarchive.com/Aliens/Toys/AliensFigures.html

flying alien queen ???

There were some dead animals, yeah, but I'm fairly sure that the weird and exotic versions were as a result of genetic splicing, not the regular method of doing it.

Quote from: Plokoon111 on Sep 01, 2007, 12:59:55 AM
Haha, I love how the marine toys have large robotic arms, with a rocket laucher back pack, with grabber like guns, lmao. And the ATX robot?

The 'ATX' was meant to be a large robot which looked... Vaguely... Like a generic Queen. The Aliens would supposedly let it infiltrate their nests, because it had a slight outline like one.

Ah, if only Ripley had known it was that easy. :)

I'm good with runners.

Quote from: Harms on Sep 01, 2007, 11:45:30 PM
I'm good with runners.

what do you mean ???

There are not many animals in Colorado that could be hosts to Aliens.
Dog.
Couger.
Human.
Bear.
Wolf, er Dog.

I think it has been established in Alien that a cat is not suitable.

Lets hope there is no Zoo. That would get silly. But I think if there were, a hint of that would have been in the trailer.

Zoo = Oh god!

Gorrilla alien!
MAntis alien!
Squid alien!
Rhino alien!

I know, how gay would that be.

Quote from: Gill Predator on Sep 02, 2007, 02:44:57 AM

Quote from: Harms on Sep 01, 2007, 11:45:30 PM
I'm good with runners.

what do you mean ???

The dog alien from Alien3.

Quote from: Danger Close on Sep 02, 2007, 04:44:13 AM
I know, how gay would that be.

Squid versions would be very interesting and they're quite possible.

Cat can be a host for an alien. In the firs film there was simply a lack of facehuger to do so.

No cats, id cry!

I still can't understand how a facehugger facehugs a dog or an ox, he can't grab and hold on to their faces , i can't imagine it. It looks build for humans or things with flat faces

That space jockey in alien had a rather flat face too

also a cat would be to small i suppose

If the predalien is a queen i will not be suprise if there's more

runner is hybird XD

animal/facehugger

Quote from: azerty on Sep 10, 2007, 09:54:23 PM
I still can't understand how a facehugger facehugs a dog or an ox, he can't grab and hold on to their faces , i can't imagine it. It looks build for humans or things with flat faces

That space jockey in alien had a rather flat face too

also a cat would be to small i suppose

Suitability is not the same as necessity. :)

'Spike' apparently had a messed up face, indicating either some sort of a struggle or that it literally burnt its way thorugh some of the flesh. Perhaps to make the thing yelp and open the mouth.

They can do it. They could always go for the side of the head. They might even be able to burn through the throat and stay attached, like some living plaster, keeping the host alive for the minimum time.

The smallest form of life they might be able to do it with would be some species of birds, rodents, fish or reptiles. There are always large members of all those species!

The same goes for molluscs. There are some fairly big squid, cuttlefish and octopi in the world. Even easier if a local aquarium exists there.

We have third trailer to AvP Requiem and I`ve only seen predalien. I mean come no! There so big variety of live forms on earth and all we are going to see are simple human alien and the one thet came from Predator? There should be much more, it is the best situation to show variety of xenomorphs.

Didnt the directors say we'd get to see some more Alien variations? Or has that been debunked already?

Quote from: SyntaX on Sep 21, 2007, 02:04:50 PM
Didnt the directors say we'd get to see some more Alien variations? Or has that been debunked already?

I hope we dont see any hybrids. The predalien will be enough. Having a runner would be ok, I guess, but I dont think the brother's budget was big enough for them to have three different kind of aliens show up in this movie.

i think there is goin to be a deer alien just because it show us a deer in the preview

as long as they dont do something like mosquito alien or something I dont mind at all

Quote from: Warrior on Sep 21, 2007, 09:47:55 PM
i think there is goin to be a deer alien just because it show us a deer in the preview

i hope not..although it'll be a lot like the dog alien except a little faster maybe, slightly different leg design. However you do see the hunter looking down at something in the green band trailer with a horrified look on his face, i hope its just the debris from the crashed ship which is still cloaked.
We know the two facehuggers get him and his son so it could be the deer mangled by the predalien or killed by wolf, but i doubt there will be "deer aliens". lol

I think there will be another hybrid in this move, we've got the pred-alien, i think there will be a runner (dog-alien) because we have already seen it in Alien 3, and molly (the little girl) is seen playing with her dog in the population trailer. Too many 'hybrids' will spoil this movie.
no more than two...

Hybrid Aliens, well I don't know. If they show more I hope they're done right and I'll be okay with it or happy if its really good.

Quote from: Starkiller on Sep 22, 2007, 12:07:41 AM
I think there will be another hybrid in this move, we've got the pred-alien, i think there will be a runner (dog-alien) because we have already seen it in Alien 3, and molly (the little girl) is seen playing with her dog in the population trailer. Too many 'hybrids' will spoil this movie.
no more than two...

Oh yea the dog that could be great. They say there is a scene where Molly's dog goes missing and Molly goes look for him. It would be cool if the dog gets lost and gets facehugged.

yeah i never thought about that thatd be sick

I would love to see everything explored. It'd be nice to see the deer in the trailer suddenly fall over and have a chestburster fly out of it, spewing blood everywhere. It'd be quite the perversion of our Bambi-esque view when it comes to deer.

I once again state my theory... five dog aliens and a wolf alien that leads them all.  They wouldn't be the main thing just like on the side... like the pack of wolves in The Day After Tomorrow.  Kind of a background antagonist next to Chet and Wolf.

I like the idea of pack of dog aliens lead by wolf alien, but I want to see something bigger like bear alien or something odd like wild boar alien.

Quote from: Master on Sep 22, 2007, 07:17:29 AM
but I want to see something bigger like bear alien

Thats what I keep sayin...BRING ON THE BEAR-ALIEN!!!! lol. Dont want too many though. Just a couple. And budget shouldnt be a problem cuz if your gonna make multi-alien suits anyway it wont hurt to change a couple up. I think.

They spent all their money redesigning the Predators and creating the PredAlien - I doubt they had the time or money to go off and create a slew of variations.

there could be a few variations

Did I say slew? I meant one or two...

Still, if they had to spend so much many doing the Pred and the PredAlien, the only way I could see any more hybrids is if they pulled out the old Alien3 molds.

Oh I agree with you SIL, I'm just very optimistic. So heres to hopin'.

More hybrids, I want more of them!!! Rooooooooooooar............ ;D

Maybe one of Guanison town folks is riseing a komodo dragon? Or maybe there is an aligator in sewers? I`d love to see some kind of lizard-alien. Or if there is an aquarium with... let`s say sharks we would be able to see fish-alien. That would be great. But still my favorite bear-alien.

Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2007, 08:53:20 PM
[...] the only way I could see any more hybrids is if they pulled out the old Alien3 molds.

I wouldn't mind that too much...we could get much worst than that...

We did get much worse.

We got the PredAlien.

The Newborn still stands as "the worst" for me, slightly above the Alien-sheep and Alien-horse hybrid that was sketched in pre-production for Alien 3. If they're doing a hybrid, they should either stick with the final design from Alien 3 (though I don't really like it) and the PredAlien.

Yeah that's what I meant...do I hate the predalien? I think I've made my feelings on this pretty clear...but as far as other hybrids...I would sure as fu<k take an Alien 3 mould over anything, new or as they would say original...

They could introduce Giger's design for Alien III and it would be new to the audience despite being around for more than a decade...it'd be much better than the quality we're getting. I see now why Giger isn't fond of what they've done with his original design.

Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Sep 22, 2007, 10:15:03 PM
They could introduce Giger's design for Alien III and it would be new to the audience despite being around for more than a decade [...]

True...but the chance of that happening are staggering...

Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Sep 22, 2007, 10:15:03 PM
[...] I see now why Giger isn't fond of what they've done with his original design.

That's for sure... :-\

Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2007, 10:02:16 PM
We did get much worse.

We got the PredAlien.

Im gonna wait until i see a clearer shot of the thing before I make a decision as to whether i like the new design or not, but my impression was that the thing's head is too big and the dreads are too long.

yeah i wanna see a clearer shot of the creature before I can judge whether its crap..

Other hybrids would ne awesome. I just think it would be crazy if they had hundreds of different kinds of them. We only need atleast three(Maybe even just two) hybrids besides the Predalien. They would have to be things like Bears or Gators though.

Alien 3 kind of did homage to the idea of the alien being adaptable by the creatures (due to them already being evolved to suit their eco-system) it infects, so you would certainly think there would be as many quadrapedal aliens as standard drones.

These sort of things are directly reliant on the budget alloted. So while it would make sense, it also wouldn't be something they'd be able to explore if they were really under the gun.

Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2007, 10:02:16 PM
We did get much worse.

We got the PredAlien.

It's a shame seeing as it had so much potential.

Quote from: Aeus on Sep 23, 2007, 12:13:47 PM

Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2007, 10:02:16 PM
We did get much worse.

We got the PredAlien.

It's a shame seeing as it had so much potential.

Very true!

It would be a missed opportunity if they don't give us a dear alien, considering the dear in the beginning.

id just like to see the predalien and thats it no more hybrids

I'm hoping they have at least one Runner in the movie. The Predalien's design is decent, but could've been better.

The predaliens design could be much better

Predaliens design is fu*ked up. They fu*ked something which already had been done so many times on concept arts, scalptures and artworks. Unforgivable.

Forget about my post here. Now that I think of it, if those types of Xeno Hybrids would appear, it would mean alot more action figures for those Xeno Hybrid toys. Has anyone ever thought if there were hybrids, it would of creatures from other planets? Like, maybe the Preds had some animal/animals on their ship from other planets.

I think that we`ve already seen the skull of "alien"/Xenomprph hybrid, just look at aliens skull from original film, and at the one from troophy room from P2. The original one ( picuter is on one of subjects, I just couldn`t found on which one) resembles human skull, just elongated with sharper teeth, and the one from throophy room is well different ;D

Quote from: Master on Sep 24, 2007, 02:14:59 PM
I think that we`ve already seen the skull of "alien"/Xenomprph hybrid, just look at aliens skull from original film, and at the one from troophy room from P2. The original one ( picuter is on one of subjects, I just couldn`t found on which one) resembles human skull, just elongated with sharper teeth, and the one from throophy room is well different ;D

The Skull in P2 is the skull of the alien model they used in Aliens, which was a different model than in Alien.

Yes i know that but it is imposible for predator to have a skull of human spawned alien. So I think that human alien should be like in Alien and the one from P2 should be from other a"alien" species from space.

Ok I`ve got my photobucket account so I will post some hybrid pictures today, I`ll start with this one, I`ve posted it earlier in other topic but this one have proper name:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FPredalien.jpg%3Ft%3D1191312006&hash=15f70e2a9084e379579fa3755971cff46e006951)

 As much as I would be just fine with a predalien it could be possible that there are going to be other hybrids because there are all sorts of pets and wild animals that could be in a town of that sort. ???

Quote from: Shadow on Dec 22, 2006, 11:59:16 PM
i hope for just predalien

yea, predalien is fine.  i mean, starship troopers has already been made.   we dont need flying aliens.

Hey take a look at the Greenband trailer the shot of the predalien is a lot clearer than in the population trailer, you can clearly see its face. Its lookin pretty good if you ask me.

This is Spacje Jockey Alien behold ;D:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FSAlien.jpg%3Ft%3D1191508032&hash=48e503a05f33752554cf845ef1a0c2adea0a25c7)
I will add new wierd hybrids soon.

Quote from: PRAETORIAN MONSTER on Oct 03, 2007, 02:01:52 AM

Quote from: Shadow on Dec 22, 2006, 11:59:16 PM
i hope for just predalien

yea, predalien is fine.  i mean, starship troopers has already been made.   we dont need flying aliens.

I agree. Flying aliens are  ridiculous.

Quote from: Hybrid PM on Oct 03, 2007, 02:18:19 AM
Hey take a look at the Greenband trailer the shot of the predalien is a lot clearer than in the population trailer, you can clearly see its face. Its lookin pretty good if you ask me.

I really like her design and i like it better and better .

Quote from: Master on Oct 04, 2007, 02:32:05 PM
This is Spacje Jockey Alien behold ;D:
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I will add new wierd hybrids soon.

Damn! This alien is HUGE! Oh my god! I never want to see this in a movie.

whats up with the other ones attacking the big guy?

This is a Darkness Alien :-X If you think that New born was fu*ked up, try to like this one:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FDarknessAlien2.jpg%3Ft%3D1191514033&hash=c022891608137d65bd0ab6cd988dcb69e7ba6011)
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Quote from: Spaghetti on Oct 04, 2007, 03:58:38 PM
whats up with the other ones attacking the big guy?

I think that it is thesame bull shit with rouge aliens that Predalien was concidered.

I actually don't mind the Space Jockey design. As for the "Darkness" Alien...well, let's just say I hate it for the same reason I hate the PredAlien.

Quote from: Master on Oct 04, 2007, 04:07:33 PM
This is a Darkness Alien :-X If you think that New born was fu*ked up, try to like this one:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FDarknessAlien2.jpg%3Ft%3D1191514033&hash=c022891608137d65bd0ab6cd988dcb69e7ba6011)
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Quote from: Spaghetti on Oct 04, 2007, 03:58:38 PM
whats up with the other ones attacking the big guy?

I think that it is thesame bull shit with rouge aliens that Predalien was concidered.

Jesus! What kind of Comics is this?

A Darkness/Witchblade/Alien crossover, apparently.

Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Oct 04, 2007, 04:38:52 PM
A Darkness/Witchblade/Alien crossover, apparently.

OMG! I gonna check it out! Thanks anyway!

Just do not buy it. It is horrible.

Quote from: Master on Oct 04, 2007, 05:06:34 PM
Just do not buy it. It is horrible.

Don't worry i wont! :)

You mean Darkness/Witchblade/Alien/Predator crossover. Female Predator to be exact. I heard the comic was horrible so I wouldn't waste money on it. What comic did the Space Jockey Hybrid Alien appear in?

Just don't buy any crossover that involves someone other than Alien vs Predator.

Aliens: Destroying angels, the best Alien comics I`ve ever read, and the only one that could be used as a fable for the next Alien film. It is set in Space Jockeys ruins, not in the one ship, in entire base.

Alright I`ve got another one. This is aligator alien from Batman/Aliens:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2F33-34.jpg%3Ft%3D1191790400&hash=c9518770a3e9a2b7e5c0850cd4167b83c19397e1)
I find it beautiful, one of the best hybrids.

nice, but big. lets see some more, were do u get these pics

...that sucks. Death to crossovers other than AvP!!!!!!!! And yes, Destroying Angels is awesome.

Quote from: Master on Oct 07, 2007, 08:57:39 PM
Alright I`ve got another one. This is aligator alien from Batman/Aliens:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2F33-34.jpg%3Ft%3D1191790400&hash=c9518770a3e9a2b7e5c0850cd4167b83c19397e1)
I find it beautiful, one of the best hybrids.

wtf theres absolutly nothing crocodilian about that alien at all.

i would love to see a male queen alien like in aliens rogue comics but thats just a dream of mine

Quote

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 07, 2007, 09:05:59 PM
...that sucks. Death to crossovers other than AvP!!!!!!!! And yes, Destroying Angels is awesome.

What sucks Corporal? An idea of such a stupid crossover or gator-alien?

Quote from: brad873 on Oct 07, 2007, 09:03:37 PM
nice, but big. lets see some more, were do u get these pics

I scan them from my comics collection, or find them in the net.

[300 post is done, now This is Sparta!!! ;D]

have you got a pic of the male queen, id love to see that, and the emperess

Im sorry, my archives are not so big ;). But I`ll try to get them, I am also interested how they look like.

Quote from: brad873 on Oct 07, 2007, 09:30:17 PM
have you got a pic of the male queen, id love to see that, and the emperess

yeah i got plenty of them
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi46.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff119%2FVamp621%2Fscan0001-3.jpg&hash=409c6961ac6500fdb66c3ee634d86b45abe2d24a)
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You mean King Alien, right.

Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Oct 07, 2007, 10:36:12 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/Vamp621/scan0002-1.jpg

Wait a second...is that alien getting head or is it just me!? What the fu<k!

Quote from: Pred-Wolf on Oct 07, 2007, 10:40:01 PM
You mean King Alien, right.

yeah i know. i hate usinng the term king, makes it sound less alien

Quote from: Gates on Oct 07, 2007, 10:42:26 PM

Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Oct 07, 2007, 10:36:12 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/Vamp621/scan0002-1.jpg

Wait a second...is that alien getting head or is it just me!? What the fu<k!

its a meat dummy no head no mouth hes about ot eat it.

Quote from: Master on Oct 07, 2007, 09:19:30 PM
What sucks Corporal? An idea of such a stupid crossover or gator-alien?

Both. And I think we've had enough hybrids. I wouldn't mind a Jockey Hybrid but I can't see the need for anymore unless a drastically different race of aliens are introduced.

Quote from: Gates on Oct 07, 2007, 10:42:26 PM

Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Oct 07, 2007, 10:36:12 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/Vamp621/scan0002-1.jpg

Wait a second...is that alien getting head or is it just me!? What the fu<k!

LOL Nice one Gates...

Very nice picture Rabbit2100. I`ve never seen that before if you`ve got more then bring it on.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 07, 2007, 11:21:38 PM


Both. And I think we've had enough hybrids. I wouldn't mind a Jockey Hybrid but I can't see the need for anymore unless a drastically different race of aliens are introduced.

You are right, it would be nice to see some kind of very agresive alien species and then turn one of them in to xenomorph, but still I like hybrids from known species (or unknown like jockey alien ;D) if they are done well.

Quote from: brad873 on Oct 07, 2007, 09:30:17 PM
have you got a pic of the male queen, id love to see that, and the emperess

I`ve checked and Emperess look like normal Alien Queen, she is just a bit bigger ;D (or maybe twice as big as normal one.)

Keep those Hybrid and other Alien Species scans coming! I really like them  8)

Here you go ;D:
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This is an Alien Terminator from Alien vs Predator vs Terminator comics.

Quote from: Master on Oct 08, 2007, 11:29:54 AM
Here you go ;D:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FTalien.jpg%3Ft%3D1191843039&hash=ef65ad55282f6d806ec52cff819ba97f2f3503e8)

This is an Alien Terminator from Alien vs Predator vs Terminator comics.

Nothing alien about it, they really over-did it with this one.

Mmm......, no I hate that, they should of at least put the large head, it looks like venom.

Quote from: Master on Oct 08, 2007, 11:29:54 AM
Here you go ;D:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FTalien.jpg%3Ft%3D1191843039&hash=ef65ad55282f6d806ec52cff819ba97f2f3503e8)

This is an Alien Terminator from Alien vs Predator vs Terminator comics.

Another reason I hate these crossovers.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 08, 2007, 11:34:01 AM

Quote from: Master on Oct 08, 2007, 11:29:54 AM
Here you go ;D:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FTalien.jpg%3Ft%3D1191843039&hash=ef65ad55282f6d806ec52cff819ba97f2f3503e8)

This is an Alien Terminator from Alien vs Predator vs Terminator comics.

Nothing alien about it, they really over-did it with this one.

Yeah, and what's with the red eyes?

It is not an alien that came from Terminator, it is a combination of alien tishue and machanical parts, all clasic terminators had red eyes.

Quote from: Master on Oct 08, 2007, 11:50:17 AM
It is not an alien that came from Terminator, it is a combination of alien tishue and machanical parts, all clasic terminators had red eyes.

That explains it, thanks.

There is nothing wrong with seeing further hybridised versions, so long as they're done right. That crocodilian one... Aside from the tail being vaguely more reptilian at the base, it's f**ked up. They should have at least done something to make the jaws larger and more viciously capable. Alligators don't tend to be fat, either. That thing looks like it came out of a damn brontosaurus.

I have yet to see an Alien hosted from something other than human, in the comics, which actually looks good, but I know it could be done.

You are right. I also think that its mouth should be more elongated, but along with Jockey alien this on is the best.

This is a Wraith alien, it is either ill or very old enjoy:
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Or maybe it is just an albino ;D

Dont like that one either.

Hmmm.....The first Alien Wraith pic made me think of Newborn. As for Aliens vs. Predator vs, Predator vs. The Terminator, I'm really not sure. I hear alot of people say it sucks but something in me tells me to get the comic.....

Do not buy it ShadowXeno! It is one of the worst if not the worst, get it in some other way and then throw away. And truth this Xeno-terimnator have got some potential.

i love that Wraith such an excellent book glad i could pick that up when i did. but i think its sick or albino, not old age, if it was old itd have the ridges.

Quote from: Master on Oct 08, 2007, 12:16:31 PM
You are right. I also think that its mouth should be more elongated, but along with Jockey alien this on is the best.

This is a Wraith alien, it is either ill or very old enjoy:
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Or maybe it is just an albino ;D

That art sucks!  :( Hardly any detail in that. That's why I stopped buying Dark Horse comics or comics for that matter. The art really blows killing potentially good stories in the process.

Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Oct 08, 2007, 03:29:42 PM
i love that Wraith such an excellent book glad i could pick that up when i did. but i think its sick or albino, not old age, if it was old itd have the ridges.

The artists never seemed to bother with that. When it came to the comics, the designs were mostly down to their own personal preferences. At the start, they all had ridges, then they gradually began to get replaced by the stories with nothing but smooths in them.

My own hope is that this film will explain them in some way, with age being most logical. If it just portrays them as suddenly all being that way, right from the start, it's going to be difficult to accept it not contradicting anything.

there could be a runner alien coz their is bound to be a dog in the town

Can anyone gimme some cool scans of this ... Broken Tusk Predator? I'd love to see him one day. I read somewhere he dies pretty horribly :o

Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Oct 08, 2007, 03:29:42 PM
i love that Wraith such an excellent book glad i could pick that up when i did. but i think its sick or albino, not old age, if it was old itd have the ridges.

He is quite old believe me. There are skeletons of people cocooned in his lair so it has about 100 years.

want there a comic with a queen robot, that was ment to infeltright the hive????

yeah i think ^it^ was Alien Harvest?

Wasn't a Queen. Just a warrior.

In Deadliest of the Species, there was a genetically engineered hybrid of Aliens Predators and Humans. They talked, had eyes, and used weapons.

Can't scan it.

Quote from: SyntaX on Oct 08, 2007, 07:14:40 PM
Can anyone gimme some cool scans of this ... Broken Tusk Predator? I'd love to see him one day. I read somewhere he dies pretty horribly :o

An alien queen kills him via tail impale, but he lives long enough to brand the female character (machinko) with a mark of honor with the finger of an alien.

Quote from: ballzanya on Oct 09, 2007, 12:05:20 AM

Quote from: SyntaX on Oct 08, 2007, 07:14:40 PM
Can anyone gimme some cool scans of this ... Broken Tusk Predator? I'd love to see him one day. I read somewhere he dies pretty horribly :o

An alien queen kills him via tail impale, but he lives long enough to brand the female character (machinko) with a mark of honor with the finger of an alien.

So he's Scar.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 09, 2007, 12:13:49 AM

Quote from: ballzanya on Oct 09, 2007, 12:05:20 AM

Quote from: SyntaX on Oct 08, 2007, 07:14:40 PM
Can anyone gimme some cool scans of this ... Broken Tusk Predator? I'd love to see him one day. I read somewhere he dies pretty horribly :o

An alien queen kills him via tail impale, but he lives long enough to brand the female character (machinko) with a mark of honor with the finger of an alien.

So he's Scar.

Paul anderson tried to copy the comic book but set it in antarctica, or so it seems.
The whole "rite of passage" thing, with the predators hunting aliens traditionally on a planet, having a woman branded by a predator and her being the only survivor. etc.
Broken tusk even kills a chestburster as it births from some guy.

Quote from: Master on Oct 08, 2007, 08:41:17 PM

Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Oct 08, 2007, 03:29:42 PM
i love that Wraith such an excellent book glad i could pick that up when i did. but i think its sick or albino, not old age, if it was old itd have the ridges.

He is quite old believe me. There are skeletons of people cocooned in his lair so it has about 100 years.

yeah but when the one girl freaked about the Specs guy she said he was taken not too long ago

Quote from: SyntaX on Oct 08, 2007, 07:14:40 PM
Can anyone gimme some cool scans of this ... Broken Tusk Predator? I'd love to see him one day. I read somewhere he dies pretty horribly :o

Looks exactly the same as the other ones did, but with the front of one of the lower mandible fangs chipped off. The bone is still there, it just comes to a flat top, instead of being sharp.

Quote from: ballzanya on Oct 09, 2007, 12:05:20 AM

Quote from: SyntaX on Oct 08, 2007, 07:14:40 PM
Can anyone gimme some cool scans of this ... Broken Tusk Predator? I'd love to see him one day. I read somewhere he dies pretty horribly :o

An alien queen kills him via tail impale, but he lives long enough to brand the female character (machinko) with a mark of honor with the finger of an alien.

lol its machiko! ont want to be a d-bag and pick spelling (sorry no offence to you) but i laughed cuz shes asian and you wrote ma-chink-o! im no racist, but i couldnt help to giggle.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 08, 2007, 11:34:01 AM

Quote from: Master on Oct 08, 2007, 11:29:54 AM
Here you go ;D:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FTalien.jpg%3Ft%3D1191843039&hash=ef65ad55282f6d806ec52cff819ba97f2f3503e8)

This is an Alien Terminator from Alien vs Predator vs Terminator comics.

Nothing alien about it, they really over-did it with this one.

the designe for it isnt bad, but its not for alien, or any alien/predator comics, looks like summin batman should fight

Quote from: brad873 on Oct 10, 2007, 08:36:38 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 08, 2007, 11:34:01 AM

Quote from: Master on Oct 08, 2007, 11:29:54 AM
Here you go ;D:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FTalien.jpg%3Ft%3D1191843039&hash=ef65ad55282f6d806ec52cff819ba97f2f3503e8)

This is an Alien Terminator from Alien vs Predator vs Terminator comics.

Nothing alien about it, they really over-did it with this one.

the designe for it isnt bad, but its not for alien, or any alien/predator comics, looks like summin batman should fight

Looks like a hairless Blackheart...

Quote from: Vemados on Oct 10, 2007, 11:58:49 PM

Quote from: brad873 on Oct 10, 2007, 08:36:38 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 08, 2007, 11:34:01 AM

Quote from: Master on Oct 08, 2007, 11:29:54 AM
Here you go ;D:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FTalien.jpg%3Ft%3D1191843039&hash=ef65ad55282f6d806ec52cff819ba97f2f3503e8)

This is an Alien Terminator from Alien vs Predator vs Terminator comics.

Nothing alien about it, they really over-did it with this one.

funny kind of reminds me of venom

the designe for it isnt bad, but its not for alien, or any alien/predator comics, looks like summin batman should fight

Looks like a hairless Blackheart...

Quote from: bloodjigsaw on Oct 11, 2007, 12:16:58 AM

Quote from: Vemados on Oct 10, 2007, 11:58:49 PM

Quote from: brad873 on Oct 10, 2007, 08:36:38 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Oct 08, 2007, 11:34:01 AM

Quote from: Master on Oct 08, 2007, 11:29:54 AM
Here you go ;D:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FTalien.jpg%3Ft%3D1191843039&hash=ef65ad55282f6d806ec52cff819ba97f2f3503e8)

This is an Alien Terminator from Alien vs Predator vs Terminator comics.

Nothing alien about it, they really over-did it with this one.

funny kind of reminds me of venom

the designe for it isnt bad, but its not for alien, or any alien/predator comics, looks like summin batman should fight

Looks like a hairless Blackheart...

If memory serves, it is a terminator with Alien skin.

Wow. Some of these comic hybrids have been beyond horrendous.

^ how can an Alien even draw genetic material from a terminator? They're f**king robots!

Quote from: The_Kuff on Oct 11, 2007, 11:51:06 PM
^ how can an Alien even draw genetic material from a terminator? They're f**king robots!

The idea was that they started using cloned alien flesh for skin.

And if you don't like these hybrids, read AVP- Pursuit.
A synthetic/alien hybrid. She has alien hands, alien tubes, and controls aliens. And apparently being half alien enlarges breasts.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 12, 2007, 01:18:31 AM

Quote from: The_Kuff on Oct 11, 2007, 11:51:06 PM
^ how can an Alien even draw genetic material from a terminator? They're f**king robots!

The idea was that they started using cloned alien flesh for skin.

And if you don't like these hybrids, read AVP- Pursuit.
A synthetic/alien hybrid. She has alien hands, alien tubes, and controls aliens. And apparently being half alien enlarges breasts.

:o Got a scan of that?

I`ve got and I`ll post it whenever I`ll scan it.

Here she is:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FShealien2.jpg%3Ft%3D1192170484&hash=4e58d6f02203808ffd544c228e7f7021368f88fb)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FShealien.jpg%3Ft%3D1192170524&hash=d568907f2715e515c9914418786ef0cf01eb0d24)

Android alien hybrid.

MORE! MORE I TELL YOU!  8)

...I think I'm gonna be sick.

Ahhh.. what's next?!

Dont throw up Hicks ... please dont!  :(

I've never seen these comics before because they dont sell them here! So its all new to me. Some Hybrids look absolutely shit while others are funny / cool.

Can you PM me more? I'd love to see more cool pictures or w/e

some of them look relly good

Sorry SyntaX I am afraid that this is all of what I can offer. In my country last "Dark horse" comics was avaliable ten years ago :( And I have broblem to find more in the net. But I`ll try ;)

Any good Predator scans then?  :P

"Alien Hybrids"- this is a title of this subject ;)

I got owned there lol.

Just PM me some good Predator shots please? Thanks in advance

Wait, where are you from? Is that why the comics are in some weird language?

Quote from: The_Kuff on Oct 12, 2007, 08:12:20 PM
Wait, where are you from? Is that why the comics are in some weird language?

I'm guessing it's Russian.

And why is it a weird language?  ???

Quote from: Katarn on Oct 12, 2007, 08:17:31 PM

Quote from: The_Kuff on Oct 12, 2007, 08:12:20 PM
Wait, where are you from? Is that why the comics are in some weird language?

I'm guessing it's Russian.

And why is it a weird language?  ???

Dont get you panties in a bunch. Weird has several meanings, one being different, foreign, and it is most definately different and foreign to my language, which is English btw!

It is Polish. Not very weird for me ;D Also russians are not useing latin alphabet.

I found this one today in the net:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shapesandlines.com%2Fart%2FPencil%2520sketches%2FAlienStudy02.jpg&hash=ad1b02052ae5a7126292c6ff808388df7efa597d)

I really like it although it is quite weird. I don`t know why he have a crown but four regular hands are nice.

It looks like somekind of praetorian hybrid.

I know, I know! It is Goro alien ;D Result of impragnating a Shokan.

Also check out this:
http://kbarts.hu/gallery/aliennagy/alienqueen.jpg

It is? then I got my wish, I said in another thread that I wanted to see a goro alien.

Quote from: Master on Oct 13, 2007, 02:39:20 PM
I found this one today in the net:
http://www.shapesandlines.com/art/Pencil%20sketches/AlienStudy02.jpg

I really like it although it is quite weird. I don`t know why he have a crown but four regular hands are nice.

thats beautiful, if any movie ever decided to use a praetorain THATS THE ONE THEY SHOULD USE!!!

yo master! that was an awesome pic!!

Thanks megachu ;D I don`t know if this is Goro alien, I thought about it when I saw this picture. I do not think that this is Pretorian either. I know that I would love to see it in Alien film as a hybrid from alien, predatorish animal but with normal smooth cowl insted of crown.

well iv never seen a preatorian but its kinda lik a runner-up queen right? that looks lik what id think a preatorian would look lik, the crown, the 4 arms, it look kinda lik a young queen...but 1 way or another, it roks!

i like it im sick of normal aliens

haha, well, the cure for that joballs is if theres more hybrids in AvP2, insted of just human-host aliens there sould be ALOT mor...

Quote from: megachu17 on Oct 13, 2007, 05:10:07 PM
haha, well, the cure for that joballs is if theres more hybrids in AvP2, insted of just human-host aliens there sould be ALOT mor...

not vto mention the predalien

wait I have a quick question....whats a goro alien?

I believe gorrilla alien?

Shokan race is an artificial race from mortal comabt fighting games series. The special feature of this race are four arms. The best known representatives of this race are Goro ( shokan prince), Kintaro ( bodyguard of Shao kahn) and Sheeva ( bodyguard of queen Sindel).

For more informations check:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goro_%28Mortal_Kombat%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kintaro_%28Mortal_Kombat%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheeva

personal as long as its something new and the design is really cool sure why not

if the hybrid doesn't look stupid by all means - the STRAUSE brothers have my blessing

i just want to see alot of carnage pain and simple

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Sweet!

Thats awesome the pred got owned!

Why are pictures of an ordinary Queen being posted there?

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Oct 14, 2007, 03:10:31 PM
Why are pictures of an ordinary Queen being posted there?

Because of:

Quote from: Master on Oct 13, 2007, 02:41:53 PM
Also check out this:
http://kbarts.hu/gallery/aliennagy/alienqueen.jpg

I know. I don't understand why the message was posted. Non-human hosted Alien concepts are interesting to look at and discuss, but an ordinary Queen has nothing to do with that stuff.

I think that we have got another alien hybrid.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theasylum.cc%2Fpictures%2Fmoviepics%2FAVH9.jpg&hash=1b32ced9bab05efb7dec140a0b01ac5582f29a73)

Hunter alien welcome among other freeks ;D

Quote from: Master on Oct 14, 2007, 04:33:47 PM
I think that we have got another alien hybrid.
http://www.theasylum.cc/pictures/moviepics/AVH9.jpg

Hunter alien welcome among other freeks ;D

cause thats not a lawsuit waiting to happen ::)

Heh!

Very amusing! :D

So is Alien Vs. Hunter really a real movie? If it is, then, I would try to watch it but most likely get angry at it for being an obvious rip off of AVP.

Quote from: ShadowXeno on Oct 14, 2007, 09:12:58 PM
So is Alien Vs. Hunter really a real movie?

Yes.

Hmmmm.........Damn it Asylum! Why must they keep making crappy rip-offs of movies?! Anyways, the Alien looks a little cool though. A LITTLE cool.

On the Asylum webpage, there is a feature in Production called "Submit Script".

Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Oct 14, 2007, 05:35:21 PM

Quote from: Master on Oct 14, 2007, 04:33:47 PM
I think that we have got another alien hybrid.
http://www.theasylum.cc/pictures/moviepics/AVH9.jpg

Hunter alien welcome among other freeks ;D

cause thats not a lawsuit waiting to happen ::)

Wanna stop the crud films?
Write them.

I'm so buying this when it comes out, which should be right before Fox sues their asses into bankruptcy.

Quote from: Master on Oct 14, 2007, 04:33:47 PM
I think that we have got another alien hybrid.
http://www.theasylum.cc/pictures/moviepics/AVH9.jpg

Hunter alien welcome among other freeks ;D

this should be a laugh

Quote from: SiL on Oct 14, 2007, 09:49:17 PM
I'm so buying this when it comes out, which should be right before Fox sues their asses into bankruptcy.

Will that require them being sued, or will it be more of a natural process?

Quote from: brad873 on Oct 07, 2007, 09:30:17 PM
have you got a pic of the male queen, id love to see that, and the emperess

I`ve played AvP2 recently and recalled that you asked for emperess, so here she is:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2Femparess.jpg%3Ft%3D1192480340&hash=85796e2f0e2e3a81d3298734dc0ddaeac761b3f9)

i didnt no that was an empress ^^^^ iplayed it but thought it was just a queen!

Quote from: The_Kuff on Oct 16, 2007, 12:23:00 AM
i didnt no that was an empress ^^^^ iplayed it but thought it was just a queen!

nah check out its crown its different looking then a queens

IT......IS....A.....GAME

Quote from: kcirtap33 on Oct 16, 2007, 12:34:49 AM
IT......IS....A.....GAME

lollls

QuoteI'm so buying this when it comes out, which should be right before Fox sues their asses into bankruptcy.

Hardly.  They've been ripping off films for 2 years and are still around.

King Kong, Transformers, Da Vinci Code, Pirates of the Carribean, The Omen, etc. etc.

Wouldn't mind getting my mitts on a copy of AvH myself though.  ;D

Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2007, 01:07:35 AM

QuoteI'm so buying this when it comes out, which should be right before Fox sues their asses into bankruptcy.

Hardly.  They've been ripping off films for 2 years and are still around.

King Kong, Transformers, Da Vinci Code, Pirates of the Carribean, The Omen, etc. etc.

Wouldn't mind getting my mitts on a copy of AvH myself though.  ;D

Snakes on a Plain, Invasion, War of the Worlds, Eragon, I Am Legend, Dragon Wars, 1-18-08, etc.

Care to explain the rip-off titles?

Quote from: SM on Oct 16, 2007, 01:07:35 AM
Hardly.  They've been ripping off films for 2 years and are still around.

I'm fully aware, but heck, it's possible :P

Snakes on a Train is ... beautiful, to say the least. It makes Snakes on a Plane look good.

Of course it's possible; probable even - I'm surprised they haven't been sued.

But didn't Roger Corman make a healthy living out of cheap knock offs, O Guru of Bad Movies?

QuoteCare to explain the rip-off titles?

Just check out the Wiki page for Asylum films.  It has a list of the rip-off flicks.  I downloaded the trailer for Transmorphers and like the Wiki page says it appears to owe more to Terminator than Transformers.

And Lance was in The Da Vinci Treasure.  ;D

Asylum's "genius" is that they tend to promote their films as 'mock-busters' so I guess they're exploiting the wiggle-room that is afforded to parodies when it comes to copyright.

Quote from: Alienseseses on Oct 16, 2007, 01:09:03 AM
Snakes on a Plain, Invasion, War of the Worlds, Eragon, I Am Legend, Dragon Wars, 1-18-08, etc.

Snakes on a Train, Invasion of the Pod People, War of the Worlds, Dragon, I Am Omega, Merlin and the War of the Dragons, Tokyo, etc.

you know what would be cool if an facehugger faceraped an alien and then bursted, maybe thats how queens are born ;D :P

i want to see the superfacehugger make a comeback. just a random thought...i hope it shows up in A film in some future cause i love the design
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbinarybonsai.com%2Fsitesdir%2Faliens%2Fimages%2Fa3cutpics5big.jpg&hash=161e72b0738fe21e80f6ecc21ae9395c6bfbf700)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.devir.com.br%2Falien_predador%2Fimagens%2Ffinaly%2Fqueen_facehugger.jpg&hash=ab5fdf0c0e130f9b84e88cc7597adff0a7c15ea5)

Quote from: karhan on Oct 16, 2007, 12:31:09 PM
you know what would be cool if an facehugger faceraped an alien and then bursted, maybe thats how queens are born ;D :P

no, sorr! Queens mayne are morphed by drones, or impregnated by superfacehuggers????

Ripley had a queen in her in Alien3  :o

Queens are born queens, end of.

Quote from: karhan on Oct 16, 2007, 12:31:09 PM
you know what would be cool if an facehugger faceraped an alien and then bursted, maybe thats how queens are born ;D :P

No.

But an alien like that...
A phoenix dies and is reborn in mythos, right?
So, a kind of alien. Everytime it gets ready to die, it facehugs itself and a new one is born.

I want to see more hybrids,not just the PredAlien.
Why?
Cuz he will be f**ked up!

Yeah. And the GorillaAlien, MantisAlien, ArachnidAlien,etc. aren't f*cked up? Well anyways, okay I'm just a;right with moret than one hybrid, aslong as they all look like Warriors or Runners(I mean DOG ALIEN) in a way. I still like Chet though.

All Aliens are technically hybrid. In my oppinion, the true form of the Alien is the facehugger. When the embreo is implanted, it take on the characteristics of it's host. Human, Predator, Dog, or whatever it's host is. We have always seen Aliens from human hosts, until Alein 3. Maybe we should call each by their host name.

Humalien
Dogalien
Predalien

One thing I would love to see is the growth stages of a Queen. If the Queen's host from Aliens was human, what would a Queen look like with a Predator for a host?

If the Predalien is a Queen, is it fully-grown? If not, how big and how much would it's appearance change?

Fox is patrolling this thread as we write. They're taking notes, you know.

As of now, they got ideas for varieties of aliens all the way for AvP8 by now ;D

"We will be introducing the elephant alien" *cuts to footage of huge alien with trunk*

"...the squirrel alien" *cuts to small furry alien*

"... spider alien" *cuts to eight-legged alien*

"... and finally the alien-alien" *cuts to an alien being chestbursted*

I only want to see the Predalien, but maybe the runner, I'd like to see the Runner again!!!

Only Predalien hybrid in environment with variety of different wild animals would be very unlikely and unrealistic. I prersonaly want more, and the directors should too. Simply to preserve very realistic feeling of earlier films from both francises.

QuoteOnly Predalien hybrid in environment with variety of different wild animals would be very unlikely and unrealistic.

for those who don't believe in "dna reflex" it is absolutely realistic though )))
earth organisms are too week to affect the original alien birth - and predator's organism is much stronger, is built on another laws and forses chestburster to grow in a wrong way.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 04:39:36 AM
earth organisms are too week to affect the original alien birth

Human beings are from Earth. So are dogs. Both results obviously did affect them.

Quote- earth organisms are too week to affect the original alien birth

- Human beings are from Earth. So are dogs. Both results obviously did affect them.

hmmm. let's read again - before commenting.

Quote- Only Predalien hybrid in environment with variety of different wild animals would be very unlikely and unrealistic.

- for those who don't believe in "dna reflex" it is absolutely realistic though

did you see these words?
those who don't believe in dna reflex also don't believe in a dog alien, if it is not clear.
actually they also don't believe in predaliens - but if they would like to explain them, they can do it.
they can explain why predaliens have head-tentacles, mandibles and skin of predator, and why the "dog alien" doesn't have a dog face and dog skin. and people with "dna reflex" cannot say anything about it.

You do realise that you have to acknowledge DNA reflex to excuse the PredAlien, right? If the Alien is in any way effected by the host - which is clearly is, regardless of the host - then DNA reflex is true.

We've seen it for the past five movies, and this movie, with the PredAlien, is continuing it.

QuoteYou do realise that you have to acknowledge DNA reflex to excuse the PredAlien, right?

you do realise that your popular model of dna reflex cannot explain both predalien and dogalien, right? )))

i do not have a need to explain predaliens, dogaliens and other money-targeted addons.
but if i have to - i will tell you that your model doesn't explain anything because cannot be used for 2 creatures in 1 time ))

QuoteWe've seen it for the past five movies

somebody cannot count. there was no dna in A1-2 ;) there was no IDEA for it, if to be correct.
somebody tries to say that "oh-oh, giger used a human skull" - ok, the same giger never used dog/bull skull for his A3. the only "provement" is destroyed by alien creator himself ))
BTW you should love the A4. it is the first and only movie about DNA HYBRIDS. use it - everything shown and explained )))

but it is not for the thread about hybrid aliens of course.
the point for "hybrid aliens" is that your "dna reflex" doesn't explain the exact appearance of hybrids - mentioned above.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 06:11:26 AM
somebody cannot count. there was no dna in A1-2 ;)

I hate to interject on what will prove to be a nice little headbutt, but Ridley Scott is quoted as saying that the reason why the original Alien was biomechanical was because its previous host- the Space Jockey- was biomechanical. He had the DNA reflex planned from the very first film. The bipedal nature came from it taking traits from Kane. He also went on to mention that if the Alien would have egg-morphed the cat, the resulting Alien would have had the cat's traits on top of that as well. While this isn't as applicable an "original fact" as it could be to the series as a whole, it still holds ground in its own way.

Quoteok, the same giger never used dog/bull skull for his A3

And he had the chance to, when exactly?

Yeah...it's pretty hard to do much of anything when the only thing that's adopted to the official design is a few changes the director heard and read over phone and fax in regards to what you're doing. It's documented fact that ADI just incorporated the bare bones of Giger's ideas and went along their busy way with Alien³. There's an existing pic where someone modeled the way Giger intended the Alien to look like in that film. It's similar to the finished product, but different in a few key aspects. I'll see if I can't find it...

EDIT: Here we go- concept art and a fan render of the concept art in question:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg155.imageshack.us%2Fimg155%2F4670%2Fgigeralien2wr2nt9.jpg&hash=b229de61e119f3447bf3e6b8cca0131a764f15ca)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg155.imageshack.us%2Fimg155%2F5895%2Fgigeraliendc2lu2.jpg&hash=76a8836dcc2569bcaca0ff10312e3c2f044b1c27)

yes, "panther-like alien with knives in hands and female lips", we know it.
BTW i wonder a lot how would dnareflex-fans explain concepts with female lips ;)

QuoteQuote
ok, the same giger never used dog/bull skull for his A3

And he had the chance to, when exactly?

maybe at the time when he began working at it? do you need a photo of giger's alien 3 doll - exactly that one, with "handblades cause it's cool, tongue covered with teeth because it's cool and female libs cause it's cool"?

the question about giger is that the only normal argument i heard was "giger used a human skull for 1st design".
i asked why don't people say that giger used machine details and bones for simply designing - why don't they say that alien's host was a byker on a barbeque - and didn't hear an answer.
now i ask why didn't giger put any dog/oxe appearance into his alien - the only question was "hey giger please make a 4-legs alien now".

NO dna reflexes in A1.
NO dna in A2.
meaning not only the final appearance - but also the very idea.
and... no provements of "dna reflex" in giger's work of A3. no animal skin, no animal teeth, no animal sizes or animal heads.
just "they asked me to make a bamby-like chestburster - and a faster alien".
oh yes, the studio needed an "animal alien".
remember their "designs without giger" - look at them.
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that's what the STUDIO thought about.
but obannon, cameron, giger - never wanted to decline any "host-depending" aliens.

...He never created the Alien³ suit. That was all ADI. They just rushed in their own design and everything he made in regards to this film was shelved, in danger of never being seen again for some time. ADI made their own sculpt and their own suit for the film. Everything from the Alien to the queen facehugger was from ADI.

Quote...He never created the Alien³ suit. That was all ADI.

yeah right, he didn't create the suit, but he created the model. don't you mind to find it's photo on Quadrilogy? the one that is drawn in your post?
they took the shapes in common. they wanted a "dna reflex", they draw designs like the bullshit above - then they took giger's model and reworked it, and it didn't contain "dogs and bulls".
as it didn't contain from the beginning.
the "dna reflex" is a 3rd movie invention. and not the alien authors invention.
this idea never took place for the original movie or for the second movie.

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...by the way i think that all such discussions will be an offtop HERE. i guess they must be replaced into another thread or deleted.

the dog(runner) has always creeped me out.    it's behavior is far more instinctual coming from a dog than a human.   and it's just really creepy looking. 

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 07:27:35 AM
but he created the model.

No. He had a model done, that was never used.

Quotethe "dna reflex" is a 3rd movie invention. and not the alien authors invention.
this idea never took place for the original movie or for the second movie.

Do your homework before making an idiot of yourself.

Ridley Scott said back in 1979 that the Alien takes host traits, looong before Alien3 was even thought of.

Quotemaybe at the time when he began working at it?

He didn't... oh nevermind.  It's been said already and you didn't pay attention then...

John-Kormag III spits on your puny logic!

wot if a face hugger that has a queen inside it, got onto a elder predator....

wow it would be unstopable!

An Elder is just an old Predator.  What difference would that make?

it would have the skill and experience

or a queenfacehugger inpregnates a predalien :o :P

Quote from: avpmad! on Oct 23, 2007, 10:20:59 AM
it would have the skill and experience

Since when?

Quote from: karhan on Oct 23, 2007, 10:24:44 AM
or a queenfacehugger inpregnates a predalien :o :P

Facehuggers do not impregnate Aliens, as far as we know.

maybe its possible it would be cool 8)

sice were talking about hybrids, i hear this was the original suit for the dog alien. if so, the new aliens are probably based on this. i like it, but i predfer the one they used more

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Quote from: brad873 on Oct 23, 2007, 12:35:00 PM
sice were talking about hybrids, i hear this was the original suit for the dog alien. if so, the new aliens are probably based on this. i like it, but i predfer the one they used more

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really??? they look very close to the new ones, especially the over-big teeths

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Quote from: avpmad! on Oct 23, 2007, 10:20:59 AM
it would have the skill and experience

Since when?

Quote from: karhan on Oct 23, 2007, 10:24:44 AM
or a queenfacehugger inpregnates a predalien :o :P

Facehuggers do not impregnate Aliens, as far as we know.

the face hugger would impregnate it coz it wouldnt see it as an alien

Quote from: avpmad! on Oct 23, 2007, 01:54:29 PM
the face hugger would impregnate it coz it wouldnt see it as an alien

Facehuggers are not idiots.  Pity the same can't be said for some.  The Pred-Alien is an Alien, and would treated as such by other Aliens.

all hybrids are aliens, and if they made it so the other alies didnt like the predalien, then they killed off the fim forever

Predalien - it's enough.
I hope, in the rest the second film will be better than the first. )))))

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 05:58:32 AM
those who don't believe in dna reflex also don't believe in a dog alien, if it is not clear.

Yes, but those people don't have any such choice now. You have to pretend that 'Alien 3' magically doesn't exist, if you want to go down that route. I wouldn't have any problem with it being pushed into dream status, but as things presently stand, it's very much canon.

Quoteactually they also don't believe in predaliens - but if they would like to explain them, they can do it.
they can explain why predaliens have head-tentacles, mandibles and skin of predator, and why the "dog alien" doesn't have a dog face and dog skin. and people with "dna reflex" cannot say anything about it.

You seem to misunderstand what the theory is. It's not about replicating exact features. It's about using a template for configurations. As the Predalien takes the 'dreadlock' tendrils, I highly doubt they're hair and must instead be something which neither humans or canines have present in their genetic information. The same as the Aliens from human beings having dorsal tuebs and those from canines not having them.

Those from canines have different heads, different hands, different legs, different feet, different thorax/abdominal proportions and a much more develoepd and armoured tail (reflecting that canines have more genetic information present for basing a tail on, than our own vestigal one, which results in a much more skeletal version).

Notice the leg configuration. This is important. Aliens take on configurations. When it comes to the Predalien, it takes on the jaw configuration, not necessarily size.

This and the fact that rottweilers have very short snouts, account for why the one in 'Alien 3' did not have much larger jaws than most. They may not even have a need to copy information relating to scent, if they don't 'translate' it into the 'wild' Alien physical template. In other words, they might not have a nose and therefore not 'take' one on.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 06:11:26 AM
you do realise that your popular model of dna reflex cannot explain both predalien and dogalien, right? )))

See above.

Quotesomebody cannot count. there was no dna in A1-2 ;) there was no IDEA for it, if to be correct.

Then you are incorrect. :) Scott is quoted as using the specific example of Jones, the cat. They said that if it had emerged from that, the creature would have been a lot more feline in the design.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 07:14:01 AM
yes, "panther-like alien with knives in hands and female lips", we know it.
BTW i wonder a lot how would dnareflex-fans explain concepts with female lips ;)

Doesn't matter. Wasn't in the film.

Quote from: avpmad! on Oct 23, 2007, 01:54:29 PM
the face hugger would impregnate it coz it wouldnt see it as an alien

The Predalien is as much of an Alien as the 'Humanaliens' would be. Remember, the one in 'Alien 3' came from a dog, yet it was protecting the Queen in Ripley, which was to have emerged from a human.

If Aliens were political, they would be the ultimate Communists. :)

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 04:39:36 AM

QuoteOnly Predalien hybrid in environment with variety of different wild animals would be very unlikely and unrealistic.

for those who don't believe in "dna reflex" it is absolutely realistic though )))
earth organisms are too week to affect the original alien birth - and predator's organism is much stronger, is built on another laws and forses chestburster to grow in a wrong way.

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I simply love this design. I would very much like to see it in one of Alien film as cat-alien or panther-alien.

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Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 04:39:36 AM

QuoteOnly Predalien hybrid in environment with variety of different wild animals would be very unlikely and unrealistic.

for those who don't believe in "dna reflex" it is absolutely realistic though )))
earth organisms are too week to affect the original alien birth - and predator's organism is much stronger, is built on another laws and forses chestburster to grow in a wrong way.

No DNA reflax theory in Alien films?  ;DFunny ;D

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I simply love this design. I would very much like to see it in one of Alien film as cat-alien or panther-alien.

i wouldnt mind that, as long as the tail blade is shortened and the lips are gone...

I like idea of this long tail blade and women lips are disturbing for me ( it is even more scarry with those lips).

QuoteIt's not about replicating exact features. It's about using a template for configurations. As the Predalien takes the 'dreadlock' tendrils, I highly doubt they're hair and must instead be something which neither humans or canines have present in their genetic information. The same as the Aliens from human beings having dorsal tuebs and those from canines not having them.

and i speak exactly about this.

predalien gets "preddish skin", light and coloured (as it existed in games long before AvP-R), he keeps the tubes, he gets the jaws, he gets the skull (wide and crowned like predator).
(i don't speek about "dredds" cause they are for sure not hair, just a new feature that humans don't have in their organisms).

do "dogalien" and "humanalien" get the hosts jaws, skull, skin? their form of legs, hands?
no.
is there a difference between dog and human that causes alien's loosing his tubes - his OWN organs, the same as predators head tentacles?
no.

does the alien below have any "dogggish" in his organism? ))))

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i guess NO )))

is scott a person who CREATED the idea and the design of alien?
no.

p.s. to those who are fond of speaking about homework... i am not interested in arguing with little students.

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QuoteYou have to pretend that 'Alien 3' magically doesn't exist, if you want to go down that route.

oh yes i would like A3 never to appear - but not because of a new alien.
just because it is dull except first and last 20 minutes.
BTW even A3 could be explained as appearing from an oxe.
a big oxe.
a DEAD oxe.
a big mountain of flesh - with stopped life processes.
and a big chestburster, almost grown-up - but with lost organs. a mutant who never developed completely.
that still would be the explanation why he looks like a usual alien - look at the pics )) - but cannot walk normally, doesn't change the color from chestburster to black grown-up and didn't finish organ developing.
but the studio wanted an "animal alien" since the A3 scenario about "alien experimentations" and didn't leave that stupid idea, turning aliens from "creatures in themselves" into some stupid warhammer tyranides.

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Quotesice were talking about hybrids, i hear this was the original suit for the dog alien.

sorry but this is a cameron's "alien warrior" skull.

Duck Alien Lol  ;D

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 10:59:40 PM
and i speak exactly about this.

predalien gets "preddish skin", light and coloured (as it existed in games long before AvP-R), he keeps the tubes, he gets the jaws, he gets the skull (wide and crowned like predator).
(i don't speek about "dredds" cause they are for sure not hair, just a new feature that humans don't have in their organisms).

do "dogalien" and "humanalien" get the hosts jaws, skull, skin? their form of legs, hands?
no.

Actually, yes, the model does show the feet as having canine-like 'paws' on the feet. The jaws should stay more or less the same, as rottweilers have short snouts, regardless. Aliens might not even have the equivelant of a 'nose', in which case the snout would not matter, in any case.

The tail, as I said, is a major clue. It's much more developed and armoured. Not like those from humans, which would ohave only a partial genetic template to be based on.

Quoteis there a difference between dog and human that causes alien's loosing his tubes - his OWN organs, the same as predators head tentacles?
no.

The best biological theory, in regards to the dorsals, is that they has something to do with sweat glands (perhaps the tubes are the primary means to creating hive-building mucous material). Humans have them. They don't exist in the canine template, therefore, they don't translate.

The same could apply for whatever those tendrils are in Predators. We and canines obviously don't have them. Predators do.

Quoteis scott a person who CREATED the idea and the design of alien?
no.

He helped to craft it into what became, certainly. Giger didn't have exclusive control, neither did the writers. It was a collaboration. You claimed that the idea was never there at the inception. You were quite wrong. :)

look at the modified message on the previous page.
the alien suit used in the movie is almost similar to a1 and a2 and doesn't have anything doggish in it.
the explanation "against studio position of animal aliens" is added.

the dna-theory thoughts about tubes are just an attempt to explain the movie that goes against the theory, pity if you don't see it.
the tubes are alien's organs, not human, not canine, not anybody's else. they disappeared. nothing added from a dog or from a bull, but own organs disappeared. that's the only thing that happened.
and don't tell me about "another paws" - legs are the same, and hands differ from A1 in A2 also, and they are not human's also. the same as A3 hands are not animals.

your theory of dna tries to explain things using arguments that actually don't take place.
and it tries to explain previous movies using the last movies. this is the most stupid, like to explain "terminator 1" from positions of "terminator 3" instead of saying that terminator 3 is bullshit.

Quoteis scott a person who CREATED the idea and the design of alien?
no.

He helped to craft it into what became, certainly.

oh yes, removing eyes from the giger's original is "crafting" of course. he got the design and helped to turn a drawing into a suit - but had nothing in common with the design itself.
he also had nothing in common with the idea, authored by obannon.
and i do not care what he wanted to do when he was drunk - bite ripley's head, make alien talking, make jokeys the creators instead of accidental finders, make aliens be dependent of jokey's organism (BTW jokey doesn't have anything common with alien also, and he doesn't have "biomehanichal design" of his own body, not chair), so i doin't care what scott imagined in his drunken head.

Will someone just pull out the dunce cap and stool so that John-Kormag can sit in the corner?

Let's say you, somehow, get into an argument with a tree stump or a boulder. You can present as much evidence, use as much logic, and do your very best to convince those objects... but that boulder/stump is just not going to move.

Kormag, there is a ton of information that supports what is the generally accepted truth about the Aliens. You're not only claiming the fanbase is completely wrong, you're claiming that the filmmakers themselves were wrong when they made these creatures. What exactly are you after? Do you have a point? What on earth do you consider the predalien to be?

QuoteYou can present as much evidence, use as much logic, and do your very best to convince those objects... but that boulder/stump is just not going to move.

oh i see - logic, screenshots and speaking about FIRST movies is nothing against fans-with-a-bible )))))
i know that religious people don't believe in "no god" even today.
the same situation here with "fanbase".

QuoteYou're not only claiming the fanbase is completely wrong, you're claiming that the filmmakers themselves were wrong

oh no, i say that filmmakers of A1, A2 did not have any dna reflexes in their creature, except skott who always tried to insert stupid things into a movie.

and i do not care about "claiming the fanbase is completely wrong". the fanbase of yautja said that they are similar to movie predators for many years. i had to start a war against it on russian forums and finally showed that they are not the same. i started the same against dna reflex but was too tired to finish it, just put some doubt into fan's heads. but it was easy because those were my native forums. of course i cannot talk alone on a VERY big forum that uses the language i know a very little )))

QuoteDo you have a point? What on earth do you consider the predalien to be?

if the question is asked this way - the predalien in AvP1 (game) was an experiment, and that was the only way for it to exist.
all other positions aren't based on A1, A2 and turn aliens into some zerg-tyranide-ninja-turtles.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 11:55:57 PM
oh i see - logic, screenshots and speaking about FIRST movies is nothing against fans-with-a-bible )))))
i know that religious people don't believe in "no god" even today.
the same situation here with "fanbase".

...What?! You know that some religious people don't believe in a concept of "no god?" Well, let's remove that double negative... You're saying that: Religious people believe in god? Isn't that... kind of what makes them religious people in the first place? I don't follow you, please explain.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 11:55:57 PM
oh no, i say that filmmakers of A1, A2 did not have any dna reflexes in their creature, except skott who always tried to insert stupid things into a movie.

That "drunk", as you called him a few posts up, happens to have created two of the best science fiction films ever made. Are you saying that the director of the first Alien film, a rather important work in this discussion, is not a person to take into account when discussing the Alien creatures? Surely you're confusing the director of a film with the director of photography - a director has a considerable deal of influence in a movie regarding ideas... especially since, y'know, it's his movie. There is no evidence for a DNA reflex? Well, most would argue that any living alien is evidence of DNA reflex. The fact that all witnessed aliens in the first two films came from human beings makes this a rather weak point to base your entire argument around. One can, likely, assume that the aliens will impregnate non-human life at some point, yes? Well, just because we hadn't seen any of those offspring doesn't mean we can automatically assume we know what those aliens will look like.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 11:55:57 PM
and i do not care about "claiming the fanbase is completely wrong". the fanbase of yautja said that they are similar to movie predators for many years. i had to start a war against it on russian forums and finally showed that they are not the same. i started the same against dna reflex but was too tired to finish it,

You fought so bravely in the Russian forum war, that you started, that you simply cannot muster the strength to fight/start another one? You poor, poor creature. Give us some credit please. Most people think that the yautja business isn't canon. That's a subset of the fanbase, not the entire fanbase (by far). I don't think that being deliberately thick and repeating the same simplistic reasonings you've used over and over is going to "win" the war here. We've given you an abundance of responses listing information from the directors, art departments, and generally naturalized truths that can be taken from the films. We're taking the time to consider what you're saying, do us the courtesy of actually considering our responses.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 11:55:57 PM
if the question is asked this way - the predalien in AvP1 (game) was an experiment, and that was the only way for it to exist.
all other positions aren't based on A1, A2 and turn aliens into some zerg-tyranide-ninja-turtles.

So you consider a computer game.... to be canon.... yet you don't consider the movie Alien to be? Tell me, then, what are Praetorians - since they too were featured in the first AvP pc game. While you're at it, are Xeno-Borgs logical too? As far as the game predaliens go, most fans don't appear to feel that they represent the end-all, be-all truth in all matters Alien. That and the fact that most fans think the game renditions of the Predalien look pretty terrible.

(1) The suits did have things directly canine in it (paws, more developed tail, etcetera) and they were designed specifically to reflect what host it had come from. That was the entire philosophy behind it. Even Ripley mentions it being different fmor those she has encountered.

There is an entire list of things which are different about it, including the head (we would all recognise the head from that one if we saw it, as opposed to others), which I wrote on an earlier reply. Please refer to that. Some things were for aesthetic reasons, but the concept behind it was that, like it or not, it was affected by what host it came from.

(2) The dorsal tubes aren't on Aliens which came from a canine genetic template. You can't ignore it. It's a fact. I gave a perfectly valid reason for that: Canines don't have sweat glands, humans do. There might be other reasons, but that's the primary and it fits in perfectly well with possessing genetic adaptation. Why are you claiming otherwise? It's one thing to say you would prefer it being otherwise, but another to say it doesn't exist.

(3) Again, you claimed DNA adaptation was never there at the start. Scott is quoted to show that the idea was, in fact, there.

This could all be debated here and there, until 'Alien 3' came along. You're more than a decade behind schedule. :)

Feel free to pretend 'Alien 3', 'Alien Versus Predator' and 'Requiem' don't exist. Most of us won't be able to join you, in agreeing that.

Do I like how the Predalien turned out to be? Not particularly, but the idea, as a concept, fits in with what we've seen in the films.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 11:55:57 PM
and i do not care about "claiming the fanbase is completely wrong". the fanbase of yautja said that they are similar to movie predators for many years. i had to start a war against it on russian forums and finally showed that they are not the same. i started the same against dna reflex but was too tired to finish it, just put some doubt into fan's heads. but it was easy because those were my native forums. of course i cannot talk alone on a VERY big forum that uses the language i know a very little )))

i think my input shall be given on this quote:
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QuoteYou're saying that: Religious people believe in god? Isn't that... kind of what makes them religious people in the first place? I don't follow you, please explain.

religious people do not need any logic, sciense or other mind - they believe and that is enough for them.
the same with dnareflex.

QuoteThat "drunk", as you called him a few posts up, happens to have created two of the best science fiction films ever made.

and his only ones good, right? ;)
and all that he tried to do in A1 was making the alien cheap and funny.

Quoteost people think that the yautja business isn't canon.

it's here. not "there". try to find where i said anything about "canon-yautja here". it was an example, but reading the post is what can help understand it ;) as usual by the way - reading what you comment is very useful.
you know the difference for a long time - we made a "rebell against yautja" only in 2005.
and the words were the same - "we, fans, know! we, fans, see it in the movies!"

QuoteSo you consider a computer game.... to be canon.... yet you don't consider the movie Alien to be?

the question was "how you would explain predalien if not by dna reflex".
what do you need - to explain a non-movie figure by movie-canons? funny.

Quote(1) The suits did have things directly canine in it (paws, more developed tail, etcetera)

go to the previous page.

Quotewe would all recognise the head from that one if we saw it....it was affected by what host it came from.

go to the previous page.

Quote(2) The dorsal tubes aren't on Aliens which came from a canine genetic template. You can't ignore it. It's a fact. I gave a perfectly valid reason for that: Canines don't have sweat glands, humans do.

your reason is weak only in one point: the tubes were on "alien" originally, even before movie idea, and i do not see why they should be "sweat glands taken from human" - you're proving the dogalien using your own ideas? cool.
BTW dogs have them. on the nose and on paws (don't know the english word for that place), go and check the info about dogs - .
why should human "glands", placed all over body, move to an aliens back - and dog's, placed on nose and paws, should disappear?
where is ANYTHING from dog in dogalien? don't tell me about "paws" - legs are the same, go to the previous page; hands are different in a1, a2 & a3 - and they are not human's in a2 as well as they aren't dog's in a3.

Quote(3) Again, you claimed DNA adaptation was never there at the start. Scott is quoted to show that the idea was, in fact, there.

again i repeat that obannon didn't have it, giger didn't have it, and scott had maaaany ideas, all of them stupid and not getting into the movie.

QuoteFeel free to pretend 'Alien 3', 'Alien Versus Predator' and 'Requiem' don't exist.

if they turn A1, A2, P1 and P2 to ashes - they are nothing more than yautja fanfics, dna-reflex fanfics and so on )))

how do u not agree to the dnareflex of the aliens? there biomechanical, they were created by sentent being, wouldnt they be made to be as adaptable as possible.

Quotehow do u not agree to the dnareflex of the aliens?

how didn't i believe in yautja? noticing, thinking and not taking fans fiction as a canon.

Quotethere biomechanical

how tired i am of that "they look like derelict blah-blah-blah".
giger's "new york" picture cycle also looks like aliens, like derelict, like dune concepts and so on.
so new york is a biomechanical jokeys creation because giger draw them similarly and fans decided that it is a provement.
anybody from NY? you are biomechanical creatures with dna reflex, live with it ))

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giger says that new york is the same with aliens and derelict. whose dna are you carrying - jokeys? )))

scott had ideas that were stupid for a movie and didn't get into it.
giger is not an ideologist at all - he simply copies himself again and again.
obannon was the only who imagined alien and all about him - and he didn't have any dna reflexes, jokey creations and so on.

...and don't forget to check the previous page, see the A3 suit - and try to find "beast legs, beast hands, beast heads" there )))

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DNA reflexes is a fan community creation.
same as yautja.
samely based on nothing and ignoring the facts ("beast paws, beast paws!" - still didn't see beast paws in A3 or human hands in A2), the science ("oh dogs dont have sweat glands" - mwahah, where did you get your education) and the role of each creator - and his ideas.

Guys, you're wasting your time arguing.

He's been through this argument many times before, and he's lost ever single one. He's not going to listen to anything you have to say.

QuoteHe's not going to listen to anything you have to say

i - comment your "arguments".
you - don't see it.

and now let's have some fun.

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1) paws. HANDS. human hands for A1 & A2 if you're right, animal paws for A3.
let's see.

alien 1 hands.

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humanoid? maybe, except 6th finger.

alien 2 hands.

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humanoid? :rofl:
and they should be absolutely humanoid by your theories - it is a "second human-hoster generation" alien )))

for me these 2 hands areenough to forget the idea "alien takes something from a host, but let's continue.

alien 3 hand

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dog hand? or maybe OXE hand? :rofl:
A1 hand - with fingers united like in A2. that's all he has.

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2) heads.

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something humanoid in it? maybe the front, where giger hided a human skull? ok let it be - and let's try to find a dog or a bull skull later for A3.

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has your favourite "bigger and sharper teeth", though no animal except human was used for his birth :)

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oh my god, where is a host's skull??
who is responsible for it's disappear? :rofl:
strangely taken A2 design and made a little more simple.

3) what else? tales-ears-wings? nothing else.
oh no, the skin color! a HumanAlien took humans black skin, a DogAlien took dog's brown skin, do you mean this? ))))

and now is my theory that is the only explaining "what we finally got in A3 and why it doesn't match the dna theory. those who are not interested may not read.
a dogalien left his chestburster color. and didn't grow the tubes. because he is not a dog alien. because he is an OXE alien. because he is born from a DEAD animal, big and dead.
"dog"alien grows almost completely _inside_ the host - but, as the host is dead and alien cannot use his living organism processes, he cannot take enough resources to finish his organism. just builds it from dead meat.
the "dog" version of a movie cannot explain even this.

4) oh, how i could forget. you have two versions for "tubes lost". let's talk about them.
- tubes are formed from human sweat glands.
somebody completely forgot that dogs have sweat glands as well. i will not discuss the idea of thousands of glands turning into 4 tubes - but go and study dog's organism.
- tubes can be an organ for hive building, A3 doesn't build it because he is a dogalien.
what is this? dogs are not sociable creatures like humans? hehe.
and ok, let's thing "A3 is a queen guard and doesn't need tubes and doesn't build the hive".
imagine the situation.
the queen is born.
she starts to grow.
she grows completely and begins reproducing.
does she do it NOT stuck to the walls, with an egg-producer hanging? bullshit.
A3 had to make a home for a queen since they decided that a queen is born from a special hugger and a special burster, not regular (like A2 where there are other aliens before one of them mutates).
so A3 didn't have tubes not because he didn't need a hive - but because the creators didn't need them - and didn't think about what it would mean.
cause A3 is a stupid movie, created by people who all quarreled during all movie production, changed the script for plenty of times, changed people who would be creators, and didn't think about anything.
and it is the same "canon" like avp. for interest, for fans - but not for a story.

that's all.
EVERY point of your "dna theory" can be destroyed easily, when named...  but not in a "dna church of believers".
only in a place where people don't say "everyone knows about dna and yautja in movies, you're stupid".

bye, believers ))

It's like a broken record.

I didn't really understand all your points, John.

Please to restate differently?

And use 'rofl' more please.

QuoteI didn't really understand all your points, John.

aliens don't take anything from hosts.
and your examples of what they take (as you think) are killed by photos of aliens.
that's all.
your dna theory says that " aliens get hoster's hands, skulls, teeth".
they don't get anything of it - it's shown by photos of movie aliens and suits.
your dna theory says that dogs don't have sweat glands - the authors of theory didn't study biology.
your dna theory is based on nothing and cannot explain even the A3 where another alien firstly appears. and is completely useless for A1 & A2.
that's the point.
my posts on last 3 pages are for those who notice and think themselves, not for those who just quote dna bible from fansites.
same fansites that tell cool stories about yautja )

Aliens do take attributes from their host.

The dog alien in alien 3 ran on all fours, and it was more of a beast. (It ripped the convicts to shreds)

And the predalien pretty much confirms it. So yes, they do take things from their host.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 24, 2007, 04:03:43 AM

QuoteI didn't really understand all your points, John.

aliens don't take anything from hosts.

How 'bout their lunch money?

Quoteand your examples of what they take (as you think) are killed by photos of aliens.

I didn't give any examples.

Quoteyour dna theory says that " aliens get hoster's hands, skulls, teeth".

That's not my theory.  I think the Alien should take as few host attributes as possible.  Such as the Fury Alien's triple-jointed leg.

Quoteyour dna theory says that dogs don't have sweat glands - the authors of theory didn't study biology.  your dna theory is based on nothing and cannot explain even the A3 where another alien firstly appears. and is completely useless for A1 & A2.

Yeah, also not "my" theory.

And you didn't say 'rofl' even after I specifically asked you to.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 23, 2007, 06:11:26 AM
i do not have a need to explain predaliens, dogaliens and other money-targeted addons.

Translation: I can't argue my way through these examples so I'm going to bullshit them into nonexistence.

QuoteI think the Alien should take as few host attributes as possible.  Such as the Fury Alien's triple-jointed leg.

i answered to all dna-fans in common, i was given "examples" on 2 previous pages, i have shown that these examples didn't take place in movies.
i also got "biological" explanations of alien-tube attributes and answered that this point is absolutely against biology because doesn't know earth organisms.
and a theory without examples is nothing.

QuoteAnd you didn't say 'rofl' even after I specifically asked you to

if you usually hear the dna theory in circus - go there ))

Quotei do not have a need to explain predaliens, dogaliens and other money-targeted addons.

Translation: I can't argue my way through these examples so I'm going to bullshit them into nonexistence.

khm. these are not examples. i didn't see any of these examples in original movies. i say that due to original movies they never could exist - and how i should use non-canon creatures as an example of originals?

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 24, 2007, 04:30:05 AM
and a theory without examples is nothing.

Oh I am fairly sure we all agree with you there.

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Oct 24, 2007, 04:21:04 AM
Translation: I can't argue my way through these examples so I'm going to bullshit them into nonexistence.

Thank you, Noir G-man, that was pure gold.

so what? anyone can ARGUE previous 2 pages? or everyone can only flood?
it's completely shown that dna theory doesn't have anything to be based on.
that it was a fanfic - and doesn't explain even movie #3.
and your reaction is "we-dont-read-you-cause-we-know-better" ))

funny weak dna-religious creatures.
church of dna is vandalled - and its inhabitants simply sit with closed eyes and ears and say "nothing happens, it's all right" ))

I suggest you go watch alien 3, note how it runs on all fours, a quadroped animal, eg: dog/ox

Your previous comment would be an excellent jab against myself and the others who were discussing this issue with you..... if it didn't so closely mirror the structure of your own posts.

I also fail to see why you keep trying to bring religion into this conversation, it's a pretty poor analogy. We have been, rather patiently, trying to explain why we "believe in" this dna-reflex notion. We've provided examples, quotes, and tried to illustrate the logical steps we took to reach our conclusion.

You, on the other hand, keep bandying about the same statements and completely ignoring aspects of the very films this discussion concerns whenever they don't support your particular view of the matter.

You do realise you're simply feeding him the attention he so desperately craves?

QuoteWe've provided examples, quotes, and tried to illustrate the logical steps we took to reach our conclusion.

You, on the other hand

i, on the other hand, took all the examples and showed they don't actually take place in movies.
i also named some examples that you didn't notice and that cannot be explained by dna theory.
but read the previous, everything's there.

Quoteand completely ignoring aspects of the very films

oh no, i have shown and named what actually was in the very films. pointed that "dna theory" positions are different to movies, and also dna theory doesn't notice some things that are there - or may be doesn't name them because cannot explain them.
the quadropedal also was explained using these "unnoticed by dna theory" points.
all written before.
nothing of this "dna theory destroying" was argued - just ignored.

What's that?  Ignore your witless babbling?  Okay!

i didn't wait for another answer from a fan of theory-without-fundament ))

ok, fans of dna-theory, unable to defend the theory, proved all my positions themselves. for me it's finished, thanks to all.

Maybe if you tried posting it in cyrillic?  Or sign up as someone else to try and back up your arguments?  Those seem to have worked for you in the past.

QuoteOr sign up as someone else to try and back up your arguments?  Those seem to have worked for you in the past.

ask moderators to prove your lies.

first unability to prove what you're saying, than lying as a result of being defeated - cool forum people.
it's not interesting for me to have discussions with children who don't know the material but use childish methods.
so bye )
i just hope that somebody with brains will read this thread and think it over.

You where arguing a pretty silly point however.

Whether you like the predalien or not. Thats living proof that they do take attributes.

Natural hybridization is possible only between closely related kinds of the general origin. Aliens and Predators occur from different biospheres. No relatives. Absolutely.
Predalien - at me always arises associations from Newborn.
Negatively I concern to hybrids of different biospheres.
To all you will not please. I hope except for Predalien anything from the first film will not be. )))

QuoteWhether you like the predalien or not. Thats living proof that they do take attributes.

not in original alien universe.

and i do like the predalien (though a movie variant seems not good to me - a big fat ork).
just say that the aliens in AvP universe differ from aliens of A1, A2, as well as yautja in AvP universe differ from predators P1, P2.

every hybrid in AvP universe is possible of course as well as code-guided yautja - because this universe includes Code of Honor, DNA Reflex and other postproduction fan features.
that's why i dislike it - but it's my own business.

and that's why i say that AvP features are not based on originals. for both races. and avp-universe should not take original creatures and remake  them completely. "create your own creatures and do what you want with them" - that's what i would tell the avp authors if lived in those times and places.

but it already exists so i only say to fans "don't spread avp rules on original movies, don't try to find provements of avp creatures in original movies, because there are no provements there for your already created theories".

and that's what i showed on previous pages when i got "examples of dna stealing" and showed that the named "stealings" didn't take place, and no other was named. 
and that's what i had to show in russian communities about yautja. here you all know about difference between movie-predators and comics-yautja - but don't even listen anything about aliens.

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ok sorry all, now bye at last, no more disturbing you. 

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 24, 2007, 05:20:31 AM
ask moderators to prove your lies.

Prove what to who?  I was there, remember?

Quotefirst unability to prove what you're saying, than lying as a result of being defeated - cool forum people.

You still haven't noticed that I offered no theories, so there is no defeat or victory possible for me.  I only argued against your theories and offered none of my own.  ('Cept for the lunch money thing, I'm dead-certain that is true.)

Quoteit's not interesting for me to have discussions with children who don't know the material but use childish methods.  so bye )

See ya.  It's been fun.



P.S.  Is it just for a while, or a "forever 'n ever" type deal?

you know the first ever alien is a hybrid, BECAUSE IT HAS A HUMAN SKULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone other than me just wanna reach through the computer and slap a moron?

Why is he arguing they don't take characteristics from their host? He needs to watch the director's cut of Alien. It's said the the Alien takes on the traits of it's host. This isn't reality. It's science FICTION. Therefore anything is possible.

Quote from: Invisible Darkness on Oct 24, 2007, 11:46:42 AM
Why is he arguing they don't take characteristics from their host? He needs to watch the director's cut of Alien. It's said the the Alien takes on the traits of it's host. This isn't reality. It's science FICTION. Therefore anything is possible.

Right!

As someone who just came into this, and as someone who reads....

DOGS CANNOT SWEAT, John-Kormag. Thats why they pant, moron. (and also why you should leave them in your car)

I am as open to anyone about alternate explanations of why the Alien is A3 was different. I think its fun to debate....but regardless of what that alien turns out to be....the predalien is happening. It exists in the Alien universe, and not just as some science experiment. As an actual, legitimate hybrid. Even if you don't like it, you can't just deny it. Therefore, DNAreflex has been legitimized and proven beyond a doubt.

....Unless of course you are too "religiously devoted" to your anti-DNA reflex theory to actually see the mandibles on its face.

...and yes...AVP and the rest of the Aliens movies DO take place in the same Universe. You don't get to just pick which movies you like and say that they happen in a different continuum from the movies you don't like. Its picking the vegetables out of your soup. You may be able to separate them, but gosh darn it they are still part of the soup :D

Anyone, feel free to flame me about my soup metaphor. I'm gonna go eat some now, actually.

Quote from: automirage04 on Oct 24, 2007, 02:02:03 PM
DOGS CANNOT SWEAT, John-Kormag. Thats why they pant, moron.

Actually, dogs do sweat.  But they only have sweat glads in their paws...not enough to cool their body, hence the panting.

Ok. John. There is on DNA reflex theory. So alien that did came out from Space Jockey was as big as human aliens and it looked exactly thesame? And this is just coincidence that a whole on Jockeys chest was so big that you`d be able to literaly put your head in it, while ( useing thesame comparison) in to a whole from chestburster on human being ches maybe you would be able to put a fist. Expalin it to me John cause you forgot to include it in your theory and this IS interesting.
Here is a picture in case you need one.
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Master
ok if you ask, thus i promised not to write again to this thread.
about jokey's hole size.
compare the jokey's and human ribcage - by their thickness.
take a very thin wood board, spread and fix it (so that it stays spread) and hit it with your fist.
you'll make a hole of some size.
now take a THICK and solid wood board and hit it with your fist.
you cannot break it... you try again and again, maybe finally you take a hammer, maybe not -  and hooray, you use enough force to break it through.
then compare the hole sizes.
our ribcages are a lot more thin and maybe more flexible than the giant jokey's.
you really should compare the results of breaking through surfaces of differend thickness and flexibility.

another point: there is no need for a chestburster to come out as fast as he can.
if the circumstances allow, he can stay in a host and grow and grow until the body gives him such ability.

Kane was among "enemies" for a chestburster - he came out completely unfinished. and kane couldn't provide enough material for chestburster growing.

A2 chestburster grew in silence with no enemies around - he formed the hands, but then people came and he had to get out. and he couldn't get enough "food" from human organism again.

cow alien grew in a big cow's organism (and dead by the way) and it was not disturbed by anybody. he grew almost completely. hands, legs, size. he never changed the chestburster color to a grown-up. he never got the tubes. he is an unfinished creature because of growing in a dead organism. but he stayed there as long as he wanted and could gather "food" from a body enough to grow.

the same for the jokey. a big body, lots of material, and no danger for growing inside. grow until you are completely ready to go out.

free time for growing + amount of "host's organism stolen materials". that's all.

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everything can be explained without DNA theory.
and DNA theory, as it was described here, didn't give me an example of itself. because all hands-tubes-skulls were named - and answered with screenshots, showing that dna theory cannot be based on not-existing differences.

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i gave you my explanation of your photo. can you also explain this post? http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=252.msg121924#msg121924 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=252.msg121924#msg121924)

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is it enough? should i disappear again?

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 24, 2007, 05:45:36 AM

QuoteWhether you like the predalien or not. Thats living proof that they do take attributes.

not in original alien universe.

and i do like the predalien (though a movie variant seems not good to me - a big fat ork).
just say that the aliens in AvP universe differ from aliens of A1, A2, as well as yautja in AvP universe differ from predators P1, P2.

every hybrid in AvP universe is possible of course as well as code-guided yautja - because this universe includes Code of Honor, DNA Reflex and other postproduction fan features.
that's why i dislike it - but it's my own business.

and that's why i say that AvP features are not based on originals. for both races. and avp-universe should not take original creatures and remake  them completely. "create your own creatures and do what you want with them" - that's what i would tell the avp authors if lived in those times and places.

but it already exists so i only say to fans "don't spread avp rules on original movies, don't try to find provements of avp creatures in original movies, because there are no provements there for your already created theories".

and that's what i showed on previous pages when i got "examples of dna stealing" and showed that the named "stealings" didn't take place, and no other was named. 
and that's what i had to show in russian communities about yautja. here you all know about difference between movie-predators and comics-yautja - but don't even listen anything about aliens.

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ok sorry all, now bye at last, no more disturbing you. 

Why are you arguing that they don't take characteristics from their host? You need to watch the director's cut of Alien. It's said the the Alien takes on the some of the traits of it's host. This isn't reality. It's science FICTION. Therefore anything is possible.

ohhh, im sick of you people  who dont belive in the dna reflex. chet it living proof, and the runner was compleatly differant to the human hybrids. im sure it was a drone runner aswell. but of course, you have to be right. also, the chestburster wasnt in the ox for very long, or the dog. what, does it have super growing speeds now. they put it in an animale to say it can hybrid with other organisms. listen to the comentary

QuoteYou need to watch the director's cut of Alien. It's said the the Alien takes on the some of the traits of it's host.

i have answered it already... we don't get any fact-example of it. i wrote everything there - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=252.msg121924#msg121924 .
i have shown that the promised "animal features" don't take place - some of them are taken from A1 (hands), some of them from A2 (bigger and sharper teeth), some of them never took place at all (no using a host's skull in A3). and so on.

sorry don't want to start this again. i have pointed everything i wanted, answered everything, and to this moment got only one new question - and answered it also.
you're asking the things already discussed and answered, don't force me to be a parrot.  

Quotethey put it in an animale to say it can hybrid with other organisms. listen to the comentary

and this was discussed also. they did, they put - but they didn't give anything what you (people here) told me that should be according to dna theory.
and they didn't know what the hell they are making in A3 at all for a long time.
and the very idea of A3 comes from a scenario about "alien experimentation" with many artificial hybrids. already discussed, as usual...

ok please i'll stop, i'm not a predator's recorder-repeater. questions and comments about what already was discussed - it's not for me.

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 24, 2007, 04:38:36 PM
our ribcages are a lot more thin and maybe more flexible than the giant jokey's.
you really should compare the results of breaking through surfaces of differend thickness and flexibility.

another point: there is no need for a chestburster to come out as fast as he can.
if the circumstances allow, he can stay in a host and grow and grow until the body gives him such ability.

Kane was among "enemies" for a chestburster - he came out completely unfinished. and kane couldn't provide enough material for chestburster growing.

A2 chestburster grew in silence with no enemies around - he formed the hands, but then people came and he had to get out. and he couldn't get enough "food" from human organism again.

cow alien grew in a big cow's organism (and dead by the way) and it was not disturbed by anybody. he grew almost completely. hands, legs, size. he never changed the chestburster color to a grown-up. he never got the tubes. he is an unfinished creature because of growing in a dead organism. but he stayed there as long as he wanted and could gather "food" from a body enough to grow.

the same for the jokey. a big body, lots of material, and no danger for growing inside. grow until you are completely ready to go out.

free time for growing + amount of "host's organism stolen materials". that's all.

* * *
is it enough? should i disappear again?

So we're making leaps in logic... but you're not? How could you, or any of us, know anything about the Jockey? How do you assume that the Kane burster came out because he was surrounded by "enemies"? They were eating and laughing, hardly what I'd call a threatening environment. In fact, the creature put itself at RISK by coming out in front of everyone. So that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The burster in Aliens had been gestating a while, but didn't seem to come out for a particular reason - especially not your "oh no, enemies are near by, I should burst now and make myself vulnerable" theory. Alien3 featured a dog for a host, since most people are standing by the theatrical cut on that film. A living host fits in with the nature of the aliens seen in films more than a dead host. Your gestation time theories are nothing but assumptions. Could they be true? Sure, possibly. But that doesn't change the fact that you don't have any real concrete material to back that up.

Yes, disappear.

John-Kormag III , sounds more like your giving up

QuoteHow do you assume that the Kane burster came out because he was surrounded by "enemies"? They were eating and laughing, hardly what I'd call a threatening environment. In fact, the creature put itself at RISK by coming out in front of everyone.

in fact it made an escape, of course if you don't say it understands our language. growing in a sleeping kane is cool - growing in a new situation, where lots of noisy creatures are around, is a situation to escape. as well as in A2.

QuoteBut that doesn't change the fact that you don't have any real concrete material to back that up.

photos of designs were posted, which show that all "animal features" were taken from A2. which show that A3 doesn't get host's features. in fact.
your dna theory needs NORMAL provements. not "design changes" or all this. somebody will use this thread to re-think the provements, somebody will say goodbye to dna, somebody will simply cry on me.

QuoteYes, disappear.

ok-ok. your church is ruined enough :)

what about the loss of tubes, and the more god-like body shape

Quoteanyone other than me just wanna reach through the computer and slap a moron?

I don't slap.  *kicks brad873 in the groin*

How about this.............IT'S SCIENCE FICTION. It only needs to follow the rules that are set in the Original. Like I said before, Ridley Scott stated that they do in fact take on some of the traits of their host.

Why do some take on more than others? Maybe the embryo can detect any defects,  illnesses, or genetic diformities. While it's in gestation, maybe it discards the negative and absorbs anything positive.

Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Oct 24, 2007, 05:10:39 PM

Quoteanyone other than me just wanna reach through the computer and slap a moron?

I don't slap.  *kicks brad873 in the groin*

*tryes to do the same to Noir-Gojira, only to relize he doesnt have any*

John- Koramg III
I`ve read all posts in this topic since I`ve started posting "Comics hybrid aliens" pictures so you don`t have to send links to your earlier posts. Parts of what you were telling are quite logical, but still it have some lacking. If the Alien that came out from Jockey was as big as human born one then IMHO it would present no danger to other Jockey on board of derlict. Why? Because as you said they probably have havier/harder bone structure and none of Aliens special atacks (head biteing, tail impaling) would injure them as greatly as they injure us. Imagine how great and fearfull enemy for ant must be a wasp ( Wasp vs. ant = Wasp + death ant). Now imagine thesame wasp against dog. Can you see the diference? ( Actually my dog is eating wasps when they are attacking him or when you kill any ;D).

^haha, hook, line and center. he makes a good point. the alien from the space jocky hust have been big, if it was to take down the rest of them. to say there are no hybrids is just dumb. like it or not, AVP aliens are cannon because fox made them, and fox says they are, and the word of fox is god. if you say ther is no dna reflex, then you must be saying chet is some sort of experiment by the preds

Quote
*tryes to do the same to Noir-Gojira, only to relize he doesnt have any*

That's right, you're powerless against me!

(Yes, this thread has deteriorated to the point where nothing of any importance can be said so I have no hesitation using it for whatever suits my fancy until it is locked)

hmmm, i gess we should get back to the original topic and leave the dna reflex haters in there own little world

more, more ,more!

This thread seems to have gone to hell while I was sick. I seemed to have missed out on alot...so is he trying to prove the DNA reflex isn't canon or something like that?

He tryed to prove that Alien saga can work realy well without DNA reflex theory. And he was well prepared in my opinion.

But going back to the subject: do any one have new ( unposted) alien hybrid pictures?

Does anyone have a picture of the Spider looking newborn for A:R?

no one has them, but im sure that book did, if only i could find it

Quote from: John-Kormag III on Oct 24, 2007, 05:00:29 PM
in fact it made an escape, of course if you don't say it understands our language. growing in a sleeping kane is cool - growing in a new situation, where lots of noisy creatures are around, is a situation to escape. as well as in A2.

the whole point of yours seems very logical, but there's another flaw. The ox in a3 was dragged on the floor, being hooked up brutally, dead -> very unsafe for incubation, with two creatures creating loud enviroment as well, and situation seems to be a lot more dangerous than in a1 and a2, so burster should get out and escape in incomplete form then, just like in the first two movies.

QuoteThe ox in a3 was dragged on the floor, being hooked up brutally, dead -> very unsafe for incubation, with two creatures creating loud enviroment as well, and situation seems to be a lot more dangerous than in a1 and a2, so burster should get out and escape in incomplete form then, just like in the first two movies.

yeah right. have to think over.

(added)

ok, could be explained by ox death. i am very shure that forming organism in a dead body is not the same like in an alive host.

saying "chestburster already took the size but couln't finish forming "material" into "head-legs-so on" seems to me logical too. i still insist that "forever chestburster light-brown colour" and "no tubes" mean "an unfinished organism forming".

BTW i'm sure that the ox died because chestburster began "eating its resources" too fast. something like stomach parasites that can be sleepy and not disturb the host - or become very active and simply kill the host by "eating and eating and poisoning all around with their excrements".

and here we find another mistake of DNA theory - a creature that is shown in DNA theory won't kill the ox. it would fit the host perfectly.
and a usual, normal earth worm parasite will. growing too much, eating too much, finally killing the host.

Ever read the anchorpoint essays?
There is an essay on DNA reflex. Go there before you argue in an uphill battle.

QuoteThis thread seems to have gone to hell while I was sick. I seemed to have missed out on alot...so is he trying to prove the DNA reflex isn't canon or something like that?

He actually managed to admit it exists in the AVP universe at the very least, which should have been an end to it as far as this thread was concerned (hell, even he decided to stop positing).  Then brad873, being the genius he is, provoked him into restarting this exercise in futility.

1. i nevim to start posting again
2. so what, lets get it over with once and for all.

i belive the runner was a dog hybrid, but im also open to the consept it was just a differant class. its not just a normal alien, as the tubes were diched so the head could fit the new body desighn.

That jhon guy is really stuborn he sais there is no evidence of the dna reflex but when we show him evidence he just denies it, man he really ticks me of and anyway i thought this was a discussion about hybrids not the dna reflex.

I believe it strayed into dna-reflex discussion since, according to the dna-reflex theory, ALL aliens are hybrids.

personally i believe it maks sence that the dna reflex is true, since the aliens r biomechanical and thus were created by senteient beings, it would mak sence that they would be incredably adaptable. kinda lik if humans created a biomechanical being, we'd go all the way(y just created a bomb when u can keep going and end up with the atom bomb?)

Quote from: megachu17 on Oct 25, 2007, 09:33:52 PM
since the aliens r biomechanical and thus were created by senteient beings,

The Aliens' biomechanical nature does not in any way prove that they were created.

I really don't like the thought of Aliens being created by scientific beings.

I do. They are such wierd rejects that only other creatures can made tham. God would not done such a mistake.

Quote from: Master on Oct 26, 2007, 08:42:39 AM
I do. They are such wierd rejects that only other creatures can made tham. God would not done such a mistake.

Ahhh...but the mistake there is believing in God... ;)

Why Gates?

They're not a mistake. In fact, they're what Ash so aptly phrases the perfect organism. Just because they look queer doesn't change the fact that their biology is amazing for an organism focused on survival.

God doesn't factor into this, so let's avoid the religious explosion.

Quote from: Master on Oct 26, 2007, 08:47:08 AM
Why Gates?

I'm atheist and was just making a quick joke to lighten up my mood...no offense intended... :)

I`ve understanded your intentions.  ;)

Quote from: Gates on Oct 26, 2007, 08:52:36 AM

Quote from: Master on Oct 26, 2007, 08:47:08 AM
Why Gates?

I'm atheist and was just making a quick joke to lighten up my mood...no offense intended... :)

*chooses to become furious out of boredem*

Quote from: Spidey3121 on Oct 26, 2007, 03:37:59 AM
I really don't like the thought of Aliens being created by scientific beings.

i accept this i like it and its solid idk where it came from though but i like it.

QuoteTHE CREATION:   
 
     The Xenomorphs were created by an ancient race (The Jockey Race) tens of thousands of years ago .  They were fighting among themselves in a brutal civil war.  Their technology was organic in nature and was so powerful, the death toll ran into the millions.  For decades, the war never saw twilight.  It seemed to go on forever...until one side got an idea.   
 
     It was an experiment to create a biomechanical weapon.  It would adapt to its environment, be completely independent....and finally...it would be viscous.  This creature would be a living machine with the most grotesque combination of science and nature.  They created a species bent only of the art of killing.   The experiment was placed on a distant world ("Alien-Proteus").  They designed the species with a hive structure to keep the infestation from running out of control.  The "ant" methodology was promoted.  The object:  To keep the infestation under control by keeping the creatures close to their "queen."   
   
 
     The experiment was a success.  The creatures we know as Xenomorphs were created.  The standard infiltrator    mission was as follows:  An egg is deposited in a populace, it impregnates, and an alien bursts out of the host and soon find more host which it can convert into eggs which will also hunt down hosts to impregnate.  The creature will kill anything threatening and convert the rest.  Soon, the populace is destroyed and the aliens are left alone on the world or spacecraft where the infestation was released.  It is assumed the Jockeys that created the Xenomorphs had a procedure to eliminate the new infection.   
 
     The Jockeys were ready to unleash their creation on their enemy.   The Proteus planet was still under control.  The experiment seemed safe.  The mother species deposited many life forms to keep their hives intact.  These life forms seemed to reproduce in large numbers.  When needed, a transport would simply set down and pick up a queen, a drone, an army, or just a bunch of eggs as the mission profile specified.  The weapon proved useful and the war ended quickly.   
 
     But Pandora's box was open.   
 
    The Xenomorphs were designed to adapt to current situations but their basic morphology was not to change...it did.  Before the Jockeys could stop their "children", they had evolved.  One small little change, something seemingly insignificant connected to the "ant" structure but not included in the alien design...Royal Jelly—the strange substance used to generate a queen.  When the Jockeys discovered infested worlds where there shouldn't be, they got worried.   
 
    Given the capability to create their own queens, the infestation could not be bottled.  It soon broke out of control.  The Jockeys found their experiment turning against them.  They tried to find a weapon to defeat their own creation but they were already demoralized from a past war.  They sent one last ship to pick up "evolved" egg samples from the Proteus planet to study...it never came back.   
 
     The Jockey race vanished.  After thousands of years, without transportation, the Xenomorphs quickly overran the planets they were on, then promptly died out.  They might be long lived, but after ten thousand years, even their lifespan ran out.  The eggs fossilized, the bodies disintegrated and the last legacy of the alien species vanished.  The ship from the proteus world crashed landed on a world far away from their homeworld.   
 
     Everything went quiet.   
 
     The universe held its breath.

HUMAN CONTACT 
 
LV-426 was the world were the lone Jockey ship crashed landed, across the galaxy from their home world.  The Jockey onboard was killed when an alien egg he carried broke free and impregnated him.  Without a pilot, his ship set down on the hostile world.  The stasis fields in the cargo bay were damaged and all but one bay of eggs were unsealed.  They all soon died from exposure.  One bay remained sealed and waited--the last living legacy of a past experiment that failed.   
     It was several millennia later when the Nostromo set down on the planet to investigate the signal the Jockey ship had sent to keep people away.  57 years later, a colony was placed on that world which was overrun by the species.  The infestation was wiped out when the colony's atmosphere processor went critical.  The Jockey ship survived, covered in a lethal dose of radiation.   
     It is unsure how the species got off the world but all bets point towards a human cause.   It seemed the race finally died out when Ellen Ripley dove into a furnace on Fiorina 161.  The GM is totally open on how the Alien starts its path.  Refer to the story for details.  A salvage ship could pick up another alien wreck with alien specimens on board.  Someone might recover the Sulaco.  Someone might even smuggle some life specimens from the radioactive cover of Acheron.  Either way...they are out.   
 
    THE LIFE AND THE MACHINE 
 
The Aliens are alive.  They have a genetic structure.  They are born and can die.  They have a blood stream; they have a social structure.   They have teeth and can scream.  The Aliens have a cellular structure partly carbon and partly silicon based.  They have a very identifiable brain with sensory organs.  They have also shown reasoning.  The drones are surprisingly intelligent.  They gestate in a living host and come out in pain.  The aliens are alive.   
     They are also a machine.  They don't require food, as we know it.  They can eat but process it completely different, converting the materials directly into increasing its own size, or storing it for when it needs to create a hive.  The aliens, for a better part of the word, are walking batteries, as they run on the acid blood in their veins.  They also seem to have a programmed path.  One cannot go rogue under the direction of its queen.  They seem always under a fixed set of instructions given to them.   They don't have a digestive system as we know it nor do they even have eyes.  They don't grow as normal creatures do and they also don't have a nervous system, as we know it.  In many ways, the Aliens are machines

That's very nice Dark Horse bs, and it's just that: By fanboys for fanboys. There isn't a shred a canonicity to it.

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 29, 2007, 07:24:33 PM
That's very nice Dark Horse bs, and it's just that: By fanboys for fanboys. There isn't a shred a canonicity to it.

i never said it was canon, but its what i choose to accept

That whole blurb reminds me why I'm content with Ridley not getting nearly as much creative control over the story if he were to ever come back and do an Alien film. Generated Aliens...just...no. They work much better as an uncontrolled aspect. If the Predator can naturally come about with as much oddities as it has, the Alien can too without having been genetically engineered.

I'd be glad to see an Alien film where it's confirmed they naturally evolved, just to see a bit of the EU collapse upon itself.

Let's see a direct quote where Scott ever anything implicit about the various theories he stated in his two interviews.

personally i highly DOUBT they r natural simply because evolution adapts a creature to its surrondings, so if the aliens had naturally gaind the ability to use another creature as a host, it would mor-than-likly be only 1 type of creature(lik e. coli and humans, or fleas and furry mammals), not any creature they come in contact with. now if they were created, it would mak sence that they would be designd 2 be adaptable in nearly any situation, even 1s "unnatural" 2 the xenomorphs.

I personally like the idea of Natural development better, but I'm not adamantly agsint the idea of them being artificially created.

Ideally: I would like to assume they are Natural, were discovered by the Jockies and THEN used as weapons. The Jockies were then eventually destroyed by the very organism they so arrogantly thought to control. If they are natural I don't think they should have an alternate life cycles. Alternate life cycles that occur naturally only tend to happen in very simple organisms, with the exception of a few amphibians.

Alternately: If they are artificial, I think an alternate life cycle only makes sense. Makes them more weaponish. Of the three proposed Ideas (Queen molting, Egg morphing, Vomiting) I think Queen Molting is the best. I just really don't like the idea of humans being turned into something un-human. At least with Queen molting, it could be argued that the same DNA template is being used, and they are just activating different genes.

I know that this is all in the realm of science fiction and its all fake, but egg morphing just seems a little too... impossible... for me to get behind.

I won't even discuss the vomiting here....I still want to think that this is all just a joke that they are playing on us. A sick, sick joke.

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 29, 2007, 07:33:19 PM
Let's see a direct quote where Scott ever anything implicit about the various theories he stated in his two interviews.

Do we need anything like that? He's stated in the Quadrilogy commentary that he wanted the reasoning for the Space Jockey being there to be that it was transporting these eggs as bombs for taking over planets and that something went wrong. I'm not interested in seeing that in an Alien film, nor his inclination to expand upon things like that. I have nothing against him as a director. I just don't think that's a good idea to work from.

can we some some pics of the arkham inmates hybrid aliens from batman vs Aliens comics?

Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Oct 29, 2007, 09:52:43 PM

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 29, 2007, 07:33:19 PM
Let's see a direct quote where Scott ever anything implicit about the various theories he stated in his two interviews.

Do we need anything like that? He's stated in the Quadrilogy commentary that he wanted the reasoning for the Space Jockey being there to be that it was transporting these eggs as bombs for taking over planets and that something went wrong. I'm not interested in seeing that in an Alien film, nor his inclination to expand upon things like that. I have nothing against him as a director. I just don't think that's a good idea to work from.

Um, yeah we do; seeing as he stated that these were the things that were logically implied.

Secondly he also stated that people can leave or take what was suggested.

I fail to see how Alien origins remotely change or mitigate anything they do behaviorally.

No one seems particularly interested in why Bruce is so f**king big and eats people and boats, simply that he does so.

Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Oct 29, 2007, 07:09:05 PM

Quote from: Spidey3121 on Oct 26, 2007, 03:37:59 AM
I really don't like the thought of Aliens being created by scientific beings.

i accept this i like it and its solid idk where it came from though but i like it.

QuoteTHE CREATION:   
 
     The Xenomorphs were created by an ancient race (The Jockey Race) tens of thousands of years ago .  They were fighting among themselves in a brutal civil war.  Their technology was organic in nature and was so powerful, the death toll ran into the millions.  For decades, the war never saw twilight.  It seemed to go on forever...until one side got an idea.   
 
     It was an experiment to create a biomechanical weapon.  It would adapt to its environment, be completely independent....and finally...it would be viscous.  This creature would be a living machine with the most grotesque combination of science and nature.  They created a species bent only of the art of killing.   The experiment was placed on a distant world ("Alien-Proteus").  They designed the species with a hive structure to keep the infestation from running out of control.  The "ant" methodology was promoted.  The object:  To keep the infestation under control by keeping the creatures close to their "queen."   
   
 
     The experiment was a success.  The creatures we know as Xenomorphs were created.  The standard infiltrator    mission was as follows:  An egg is deposited in a populace, it impregnates, and an alien bursts out of the host and soon find more host which it can convert into eggs which will also hunt down hosts to impregnate.  The creature will kill anything threatening and convert the rest.  Soon, the populace is destroyed and the aliens are left alone on the world or spacecraft where the infestation was released.  It is assumed the Jockeys that created the Xenomorphs had a procedure to eliminate the new infection.   
 
     The Jockeys were ready to unleash their creation on their enemy.   The Proteus planet was still under control.  The experiment seemed safe.  The mother species deposited many life forms to keep their hives intact.  These life forms seemed to reproduce in large numbers.  When needed, a transport would simply set down and pick up a queen, a drone, an army, or just a bunch of eggs as the mission profile specified.  The weapon proved useful and the war ended quickly.   
 
     But Pandora's box was open.   
 
    The Xenomorphs were designed to adapt to current situations but their basic morphology was not to change...it did.  Before the Jockeys could stop their "children", they had evolved.  One small little change, something seemingly insignificant connected to the "ant" structure but not included in the alien design...Royal Jelly—the strange substance used to generate a queen.  When the Jockeys discovered infested worlds where there shouldn't be, they got worried.   
 
    Given the capability to create their own queens, the infestation could not be bottled.  It soon broke out of control.  The Jockeys found their experiment turning against them.  They tried to find a weapon to defeat their own creation but they were already demoralized from a past war.  They sent one last ship to pick up "evolved" egg samples from the Proteus planet to study...it never came back.   
 
     The Jockey race vanished.  After thousands of years, without transportation, the Xenomorphs quickly overran the planets they were on, then promptly died out.  They might be long lived, but after ten thousand years, even their lifespan ran out.  The eggs fossilized, the bodies disintegrated and the last legacy of the alien species vanished.  The ship from the proteus world crashed landed on a world far away from their homeworld.   
 
     Everything went quiet.   
 
     The universe held its breath.

HUMAN CONTACT 
 
LV-426 was the world were the lone Jockey ship crashed landed, across the galaxy from their home world.  The Jockey onboard was killed when an alien egg he carried broke free and impregnated him.  Without a pilot, his ship set down on the hostile world.  The stasis fields in the cargo bay were damaged and all but one bay of eggs were unsealed.  They all soon died from exposure.  One bay remained sealed and waited--the last living legacy of a past experiment that failed.   
     It was several millennia later when the Nostromo set down on the planet to investigate the signal the Jockey ship had sent to keep people away.  57 years later, a colony was placed on that world which was overrun by the species.  The infestation was wiped out when the colony's atmosphere processor went critical.  The Jockey ship survived, covered in a lethal dose of radiation.   
     It is unsure how the species got off the world but all bets point towards a human cause.   It seemed the race finally died out when Ellen Ripley dove into a furnace on Fiorina 161.  The GM is totally open on how the Alien starts its path.  Refer to the story for details.  A salvage ship could pick up another alien wreck with alien specimens on board.  Someone might recover the Sulaco.  Someone might even smuggle some life specimens from the radioactive cover of Acheron.  Either way...they are out.   
 
    THE LIFE AND THE MACHINE 
 
The Aliens are alive.  They have a genetic structure.  They are born and can die.  They have a blood stream; they have a social structure.   They have teeth and can scream.  The Aliens have a cellular structure partly carbon and partly silicon based.  They have a very identifiable brain with sensory organs.  They have also shown reasoning.  The drones are surprisingly intelligent.  They gestate in a living host and come out in pain.  The aliens are alive.   
     They are also a machine.  They don't require food, as we know it.  They can eat but process it completely different, converting the materials directly into increasing its own size, or storing it for when it needs to create a hive.  The aliens, for a better part of the word, are walking batteries, as they run on the acid blood in their veins.  They also seem to have a programmed path.  One cannot go rogue under the direction of its queen.  They seem always under a fixed set of instructions given to them.   They don't have a digestive system as we know it nor do they even have eyes.  They don't grow as normal creatures do and they also don't have a nervous system, as we know it.  In many ways, the Aliens are machines

dammit. sorry i introduced these non-canon ideas to the forum. But indeed they are mere interestng fan speculations compiled from various sources including the comics mostly for use in the aliens; fuzion role playing game.
I discovered the site via search engine and simply thought some info was interesting. Info pertaining to the possible homeworld and evolution of the aliens is also presented on this site as well, so i wouldn't use it to try to prove anything.

For those interested the site is:

http://www.serenadawn.com

i personally expect to see at least one dog alien 8)

please!!!!!!aaaaa this is so annoying
they are not hybrid aliens
look at the name....alien.....
the chestburster takes the form of its host....just cause we've always seen the human form does not mean that is its normal form
aaaaaaaa
it takes the form of the host
so it could of looked like anything in the 1st alien and we would of called a human alien a hybrid
the chestburster takes the form of its host..so there is no such thing as a hybrided
thank you

Ok. Now we have seen predalien in perfect light, with all of his features and details. Do you like his design? Cause I think that without dreadlocks he would be much, much better.

On this image he looks retarded and dreadlocks remind me pony tails.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2FCorpral_Hicks%2FHybrid.jpg&hash=9b2905244096f3b0971729dc1f5b9a9ef9d498f0)

But after about five minutes...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi239.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fff244%2F000Master000%2FHomemadepredalien.jpg%3Ft%3D1193864528&hash=501f99754cf45fd0e625a767766492935208e0e2)
....it is much better alien creature.

What do you think.
[I removed dreadlocks in Paint in very short time, so it wouldn`t be hard for profesionals to remove them from film if the Bros decided to do so.]

I....actually like the dreads. She looks more retarded without them honestly. Without the dreads, she reminds me of a bald woman(I don't have a problem with that but you've gotta admit, it's.....a strange sight. Besides in Alien 3 I guess but....still).

I don't like the two toes on Chet...

even without the dreads it looks like a nine year old fan drawing.

At least we now know why there's a scene in a department store.

The PredAlien was looking for hair product.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2007, 11:56:12 PM
At least we now know why there's a scene in a department store.

The PredAlien was looking for hair product.

I Think the Wolf was atually  ;D

The dreads on the figure look way worse than the ones in the movie, mostly because they're rigid.  In the movie you can see that they're more relaxed and don't look as much like ponytails.  Personally, I wouldn't take out the dreads but I'd lay them against the head more so they come out the back.

I always thought that the design could be done well with dreads, but this one over did them, I think.

I always hoped they would be more like spines than ponytails.

Quote from: Master on Oct 31, 2007, 09:04:58 PM
What do you think.

A slight improvement, I think, but it still has the other problems.

What this figure does do well is to rectify a couple. The hands, here, look much better. :) The jaws also look slightly more 'whole' than they are, but not greatly so, alas.

Quote from: SM on Oct 31, 2007, 11:56:12 PM
At least we now know why there's a scene in a department store.

The PredAlien was looking for hair product.

:D

I like the dreads, but in that pic they appear as though a bit of hair spray was used to style them 8) The dreads should be hagging down, but I do realize it's only a pic of the figure.

Quote from: MartyPredator on Oct 30, 2007, 12:38:23 PM
please!!!!!!aaaaa this is so annoying
they are not hybrid aliens
look at the name....alien.....
the chestburster takes the form of its host....just cause we've always seen the human form does not mean that is its normal form
aaaaaaaa
it takes the form of the host
so it could of looked like anything in the 1st alien and we would of called a human alien a hybrid
the chestburster takes the form of its host..so there is no such thing as a hybrided
thank you

amen, my predator brother! :D

quick question, does that predalien hav 4 fingers(2 thumbs on either side and 2 fingers in the middle)? they're fingers(the # of them anyway) seem 2 change with nearly every movie, hasent this setup been used befor tho? if so what movie?

Its seems I'm on a screen capturing frenzy. lol. Here are some hybrids from the comics.(some of them are god-awful however.)

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Alien King from Aliens: Rogue

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Space jockey alien from Aliens: Apocalypse, the destroying angels

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Some kind of lobster-like Alien from Aliens: Colonial Marines

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A crocodile alien from Batman vs. Aliens

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An Alien from some unknown E.T. species from Aliens: Earth Angel


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Some horrible human/predator/alien hybrid from Aliens vs. predator:Deadliest of the species.

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Another f**ked up who knows what, from Aliens vs. predator: Deadliest of the species.

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Terrible human/alien hybrid from you guessed it, Aliens vs. predator: Deadliest of the species.

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A huge alien hybrid from who the f**k knows from Aliens: Lucky.
I doubt it is supposed to be a queen, because in the comic you get the scale and its f**king huge, plus that heads a little different and it was submerged in giant pool of acid for whatever reason.

The croc alien looks good.

Wow... Who would have thought Predaliens are KKK members? :)

I guess SiL wasn't kidding when he said there were albino human-Predator-Alien hybrids in DOTS. It looks more ridiculous than I initially imagined. :-X

No sir, I was not kidding.

You forget, though; albino human Alien Predator hybrids that can shoot guns and fence.

That fencing one did look very camp...

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 02, 2007, 07:04:08 AM
Wow... Who would have thought Predaliens are KKK members? :)

I seriously couldn't stop laughing after reading what you typed and then looking back at that albino predator/alien hybrid pic. lol.

Quote from: ballzanya on Nov 02, 2007, 08:14:11 AM
I seriously couldn't stop laughing after reading what you typed and then looking back at that albino predator/alien hybrid pic. lol.

I wanna' see it on Jerry Springer, I really do. :)

And I thought that there is no as bad Alien hybrid as Darkness Alien. I was wrong....

Quote from: Master on Nov 02, 2007, 08:49:08 AM
And I thought that there is no as bad Alien hybrid as Darkness Alien. I was wrong....

oh f**k i forgot that one. lol. Well it was so bad, it didn't even look like an alien. It had eyes and horns and the face from one of of those darkness goblins.

I`ve posted it few pages earlier, with crock-Alien, Terminator-Alien, Space jockey-Alien and few others. ;)

Quote from: Master on Nov 02, 2007, 09:07:54 AM
I`ve posted it few pages earlier, with crock-Alien, Terminator-Alien, Space jockey-Alien and few others. ;)

sorry, i didn't read every page of this topic. lol.
There's a terminator alien, what the f**k? I have the Aliens vs. predator vs. terminator comics,(yeah, that's too many versus there. lol) but i haven't read that one yet. (its on my p.c, not actual physical copy in case your wondering why I would have bought a comic and not bothered to read it.)

It is terminator covered by alien tishue. It also have the ability to  absorb matery. It is at the botom of the page. Enjoy ;D:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=252.390

That last Alien pic(Not the Terminator in Alien tissues) was actually cool. That is the only wierd-looking hybrid that I would accept......if that is a natural hybrid at all. Did that Space Jockey Alien do anything with the main characters of the comic at all?

Quote from: Rabbit2100 on Oct 07, 2007, 10:36:12 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/Vamp621/scan0001-3.jpg

This one? Or Crock Alien? If you were talking about this one, it is male Alien queen. It was made by injecting male hormons to young alien queen. He was suposed to kill normal queen, but she was better.

Quote from: ShadowXeno on Nov 02, 2007, 01:31:40 PM
That last Alien pic(Not the Terminator in Alien tissues) was actually cool. That is the only wierd-looking hybrid that I would accept......if that is a natural hybrid at all. Did that Space Jockey Alien do anything with the main characters of the comic at all?

No but he killed ( by chestbursting) last living Jockey that were found in the Jockeys base.

Quote from: ballzanya on Nov 02, 2007, 02:12:00 AM
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/comics/huh4.jpg
A huge alien hybrid from who the f**k knows from Aliens: Lucky.
I doubt it is supposed to be a queen, because in the comic you get the scale and its f**king huge, plus that heads a little different and it was submerged in giant pool of acid for whatever reason.

That fleshy cobra-looking one was the one I liked.

Quote from: ShadowXeno on Nov 02, 2007, 01:31:40 PM
That last Alien pic(Not the Terminator in Alien tissues) was actually cool. That is the only wierd-looking hybrid that I would accept......if that is a natural hybrid at all. Did that Space Jockey Alien do anything with the main characters of the comic at all?

I seem to remember it mostly killing aliens for some reason.
It was kinda lame.

I would like to see a movie with a few dog hybrids...and only one Human born Alien in the same vein as the Original.

In fact, theres gotta be lots of dogs and wolves in this small town.  Where are the runners?

So why is the Predalien named chet?

Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 04, 2007, 06:10:43 PM
In fact, theres gotta be lots of dogs and wolves in this small town.  Where are the runners?

Probably killed by the budget. :)

Quote from: automirage04 on Nov 04, 2007, 06:31:46 PM
So why is the Predalien named chet?

just a nickname given by the directors

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 04, 2007, 06:48:43 PM

Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 04, 2007, 06:10:43 PM
In fact, theres gotta be lots of dogs and wolves in this small town.  Where are the runners?

Probably killed by the budget. :)

Aw shoot.  :-\

Since there is Dogs in town it would be awesome to See some Dog Aliens/Runners   :o

But there won`t be. Xenomorphine posted reason :-\

Quote from: Master on Nov 04, 2007, 08:06:38 PM
But there won`t be. Xenomorphine posted reason :-\

:'(damn it

or maybe the people of the town ate all the dogs ..

Excellent idea ;D I hope that you don`t have your own restaurant.

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lol,depressed Alien

^^lolol, wolf pwnd all his friends...poor alien ;D

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 04, 2007, 06:48:43 PM

Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 04, 2007, 06:10:43 PM
In fact, theres gotta be lots of dogs and wolves in this small town.  Where are the runners?

Probably killed by the budget. :)

They could just do a cgi one - that wouldn't be too expensive. 

...Yeah, it would.

Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 11, 2007, 03:22:21 AM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 04, 2007, 06:48:43 PM

Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 04, 2007, 06:10:43 PM
In fact, theres gotta be lots of dogs and wolves in this small town.  Where are the runners?

Probably killed by the budget. :)

They could just do a cgi one - that wouldn't be too expensive. 

Who said their won't be, possible a simple cameo of one

not 2 mention ppl would hav a cow because "*gasp* how could they use CGI?!? a guy in a suit is waaaayy better, the director are idiots!".

Well, they are good at that stuff they could make it look good

Quote from: SiL on Nov 11, 2007, 03:23:30 AM
...Yeah, it would.

A 2 second cameo can't be that expensive.  Plus, they might still have the model they did for the Alien 3 DVD.

Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 11, 2007, 03:31:23 AM

Quote from: SiL on Nov 11, 2007, 03:23:30 AM
...Yeah, it would.

A 2 second cameo can't be that expensive.  Plus, they might still have the model they did for the Alien 3 DVD.

That's one thing i think we all can agree we'd like to see right?

hmm, the hunters r hunting deer at the beggining of the trailers...deer/aliens any1?

Quote from: megachu17 on Nov 11, 2007, 03:33:53 AM
hmm, the hunters r hunting deer at the beggining of the trailers...deer/aliens any1?

That's work to i guess, but Chet would have to go all pukey on it lol

ha! that would be an interesting scene...poor bambi is being violated!

Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 11, 2007, 03:32:19 AM

Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 11, 2007, 03:31:23 AM

Quote from: SiL on Nov 11, 2007, 03:23:30 AM
...Yeah, it would.

A 2 second cameo can't be that expensive.  Plus, they might still have the model they did for the Alien 3 DVD.

That's one thing i think we all can agree we'd like to see right?

The dog alien is one of my fav designs.  It would be nice if they included it.

Quote from: megachu17 on Nov 11, 2007, 03:33:53 AM
hmm, the hunters r hunting deer at the beggining of the trailers...deer/aliens any1?

I don't think I can trust ADI to design another type of alien.  :P

Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 11, 2007, 03:39:33 AM

Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 11, 2007, 03:32:19 AM

Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 11, 2007, 03:31:23 AM

Quote from: SiL on Nov 11, 2007, 03:23:30 AM
...Yeah, it would.

A 2 second cameo can't be that expensive.  Plus, they might still have the model they did for the Alien 3 DVD.

That's one thing i think we all can agree we'd like to see right?

The dog alien is one of my fav designs.  It would be nice if they included it.

Quote from: megachu17 on Nov 11, 2007, 03:33:53 AM
hmm, the hunters r hunting deer at the beggining of the trailers...deer/aliens any1?

I don't think I can trust ADI to design another type of alien.  :P

Hopefully they'd just make that a dog alien bacically

I`ve played AvP arcade game recently, and I must say that I like creatures from this game allot. Of course most of them would have to take repainting, but basicly those designs are fine examples of good work.

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The best pretorian design I`ve ever seen.

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If they ever want to create a turtle alien, then design is IMHO is ready. Colors should be changed, but main line and shape of it is nice.

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This one is also good but I can`t find a perpous for it. Any Ideas?

Elephant/alien or crocodile/alien

This is crock alien:
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;)

HOLY DILDO MAN!

Quote from: Master on Nov 11, 2007, 10:54:15 PM
This is crock alien:
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;)

AKA T-Rex alien ;D

Quote from: Master on Nov 11, 2007, 10:54:15 PM
This is crock alien:
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;)

doesn't even look like a croc  :)

"CRIKEY!!!"


(Nor should it look like a croc - a 'crock' maybe - but not a croc).

HOLY!!!...waiot a second...is that Batman!!! Batman is in the corner!!!!

Yes.

Omg *Waits for someone to post a Bigfoot alien with Superman in the corner*

lol....Batman vs Predator...that reminds me that could be good lol...

Why is it so big?

Big croc.

And comic book artists don't have any sense of restraint.

What would be ok to cause a superbig alien? if anything an Diffrent Alien species?

Quotedoesn't even look like a croc

why?
his narrow jaw is crocodile, his wide plate tale is crocodile.
doesn't look like T-rex actually :)

I like the design, just needs to be smaller.

i was thinking that the alien that would come from a face hugger on an eagle would be crazy cool 8)

Quote from: SM on Nov 12, 2007, 12:35:54 AM
"CRIKEY!!!"


(Nor should it look like a croc - a 'crock' maybe - but not a croc).

Croc.
My mistake.

But what you think about those designs?
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With the exception of Defender (not pictured ) and Razor Claws (Neon purple on Bottom)Capcom needs needs to be punched in the vagina REALLY HARD.

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WHAT has it eaten that SUCH to grow?  :o :o :o

Quote from: Hybrid PM on Nov 12, 2007, 01:40:17 AM
I like the design, just needs to be smaller.

Yeah I agree.  There's potential for a great hybrid there as opposed to others.

Quote from: Russian_Predator on Nov 12, 2007, 09:59:28 AM

Quote from: Master on Nov 11, 2007, 10:54:15 PM
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WHAT has it eaten that SUCH to grow?  :o :o :o

Nothing special. He was always a little... bigger then other kids but he is still our baybe and we love him very much ;)

Mountain lion or Grizzly bear alien! That would be crazy!

anymore hybrid pics????

Hey! they said other alien hybrids may be in this movie.... is it true!!!?????
(i mean besides the predalien).

that would be... interesting. Like say an Alien hosted from a bear?  ;D

That would be awesome but I'm almost positive there will not be any other hybrids.

they didn't have enough money for made neither only an egg...so make your conclusions

If this is based on this:

"Alien Hybrids - There may possibly be other hybrid aliens in AvP2.
Update 05-Jan-07 - Puppeteer Morris Chapdelaine: "I was lucky enough to work on all of the above and MORE on AVP2. Without giving too much away- there was certainly a large variety of creature work in this film! I think the fans will go nuts when they see what we have in store for them."


I Think its referring to the predalien, the predators at the beginning, wolf, the aliens, the chestbursters and the facehuggers in terms of being "the variety of creature work.."

I don't see them having all kinds of other hybrids if they didn't have the budget to show the f**king eggs.

Boy. We've gotten atleast more than three Alien Hybrid discussions now. I do wish they would have two more hybrids but too many hybrids would just be Gremlins 2 all over again. And the hybrids(Like I said so many times) MUST look like actual Aliens(As in they look like Warriors and DogAliens) not those gay action figures made.

Quote from: ShadowXeno on Nov 14, 2007, 02:18:12 AM
Boy. We've gotten atleast more than three Alien Hybrid discussions now. I do wish they would have two more hybrids but too many hybrids would just be Gremlins 2 all over again. And the hybrids(Like I said so many times) MUST look like actual Aliens(As in they look like Warriors and DogAliens) not those gay action figures made.

judging by lessons learned from alien 3, if any hybrids appear in a future avp or alien film(if one ever gets made.), the hybrids should not be quadripedal or require movement that can't  be captured by a guy in a suit or else cgi would be needed for all its movements and will look unconvincing. (and yeah, no killer crab aliens. lol)

Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 14, 2007, 02:17:00 AM
If this is based on this:

"Alien Hybrids - There may possibly be other hybrid aliens in AvP2.
Update 05-Jan-07 - Puppeteer Morris Chapdelaine: "I was lucky enough to work on all of the above and MORE on AVP2. Without giving too much away- there was certainly a large variety of creature work in this film! I think the fans will go nuts when they see what we have in store for them."


I Think its referring to the predalien, the predators at the beginning, wolf, the aliens, the chestbursters and the facehuggers in terms of being "the variety of creature work.."

I don't see them having all kinds of other hybrids if they didn't have the budget to show the f**king eggs.

Do the eggs cost that much? I mean, couldn't they have gotten the ones from the last movie?

Quote from: darcevil on Nov 14, 2007, 02:35:21 AM

Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 14, 2007, 02:17:00 AM
If this is based on this:

"Alien Hybrids - There may possibly be other hybrid aliens in AvP2.
Update 05-Jan-07 - Puppeteer Morris Chapdelaine: "I was lucky enough to work on all of the above and MORE on AVP2. Without giving too much away- there was certainly a large variety of creature work in this film! I think the fans will go nuts when they see what we have in store for them."


I Think its referring to the predalien, the predators at the beginning, wolf, the aliens, the chestbursters and the facehuggers in terms of being "the variety of creature work.."

I don't see them having all kinds of other hybrids if they didn't have the budget to show the f**king eggs.

Do the eggs cost that much? I mean, couldn't they have gotten the ones from the last movie?

I argued the same thing recently, but who knows they also wanted to show all the gorey kills on camera rather than cutting away, so they had to make the prop heads etc. for the headbites etc., maybe they should have saved some money on that and not showed every kill onscreen, like the first two alien films.