Just wondering which would you guys favor most, a prequel for Alien or a prequel for Aliens? To be honest I wouldn't mind seeing a prequel for Aliens, just because I am real iffy on this Alien prequel thing. A storyline has yet to be produced, news has been very vague at best, and with Fox's current track record for good movies, I can't really say I'm all that happy about this movie being greenlighted for production. But with the latter part of my last comment, I guess a prequel for Aliens could be casted in the same light. Anyway, I just wanted to get your thoughts and opinions.
But ... there is a prequel to Aliens. It's called Alien ...
I actually would rather have the Aliens prequel as well.
Yeah it has a fixed outcome, but so is the Alien prequel. Either the crew and the alien will be lost in space for the prequel, or it will happen so immediate to the Nostromo's departure that it won't hurt continuity (as in, the ship will be the reason the Stromo crew was sent out).
I like seeing humanity in bleak situations. Hadley's hope would be pretty bleak.
Just insure me a hack like Mike Bay or Paul Anderson stays the hell away from it.
Id like to see a Hadleys Hope prequel I think it would be interesting to see happened between the discovery of the Derelict to the Arrival of the Sulaco
I'd rather they not try and make a round script fit into a square hole. There's no freedom for the writer. Just because everyones jumping on the prequel bandwagon, Alien has to have one? Stupid and won't work.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 12, 2009, 12:26:13 AM
But ... there is a prequel to Aliens. It's called Alien ...
Yeah, but there is more then
half a century between the movies, enough space for future story's that doesn't include Ripley.
This is a terrible idea. Why does everything have to spelled out for everyone? Why can't some things be left to the imagination a bit? You know not knowing exactly how everyone was killed at Hadley's Hope adds to Aliens and deletes nothing from it?
I'd rather have an Aliens prequel which shows what the colonists went through at Hadley's Hope.
Quote from: J-Syxx on Jul 12, 2009, 03:33:41 AM
This is a terrible idea. Why does everything have to spelled out for everyone? Why can't some things be left to the imagination a bit? You know not knowing exactly how everyone was killed at Hadley's Hope adds to Aliens and deletes nothing from it?
So instead of knowing what the colonists went through, you'd rather it tell all about the space jockeys and how the alien came to be, and throw ALL the imagination out of the window, leaving very little mystery to the franchise?
Cat shit, dog shit. Either way we're getting something that doesn't need explaining explained.
True.
I just wanted to see the transition of a human colony from a human environ to an alien one. Hadley's hope is the only mass scale infection in the standalone's. I think there is potential in that storyline.
Not HH necessarily, just a similar situation.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 12, 2009, 04:56:13 AM
True.
I just wanted to see the transition of a human colony from a human environ to an alien one. Hadley's hope is the only mass scale infection in the standalone's. I think there is potential in that storyline.
Not HH necessarily, just a similar situation.
But thats actually happening off screen in aliens. now were trying to fit a prequel, in between movies, in between scenes.........? what next? Ripley's life story before alien?
talk about milking it.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 12, 2009, 04:49:33 AM
Cat shit, dog shit. Either way we're getting something that doesn't need explaining explained.
Haha well said.
QuoteSo instead of knowing what the colonists went through, you'd rather it tell all about the space jockeys and how the alien came to be, and throw ALL the imagination out of the window, leaving very little mystery to the franchise?
Did I say that? And I don't recall them saying the prequel had to do those things. It's just supposed to take place before Alien. That's all.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 12, 2009, 12:36:03 AM
I actually would rather have the Aliens prequel as well.
Yeah it has a fixed outcome, but so is the Alien prequel. Either the crew and the alien will be lost in space for the prequel, or it will happen so immediate to the Nostromo's departure that it won't hurt continuity (as in, the ship will be the reason the Stromo crew was sent out).
I like seeing humanity in bleak situations. Hadley's hope would be pretty bleak.
Just insure me a hack like Mike Bay or Paul Anderson stays the hell away from it.
Yea, I have to agree. Even though your getting a fixed out come, there is enough room , story wise, to work with.
Quote from: J-Syxx on Jul 12, 2009, 09:57:56 AM
QuoteSo instead of knowing what the colonists went through, you'd rather it tell all about the space jockeys and how the alien came to be, and throw ALL the imagination out of the window, leaving very little mystery to the franchise?
Did I say that? And I don't recall them saying the prequel had to do those things. It's just supposed to take place before Alien. That's all.
If they don't use those for an Alien prequel, odds are we will get Alien all over again with just a new crew, or wanna be Colonial Marines trying to be just like the crew of the Sulaco.
Quote from: highlandpred on Jul 12, 2009, 07:33:19 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 12, 2009, 04:56:13 AM
True.
I just wanted to see the transition of a human colony from a human environ to an alien one. Hadley's hope is the only mass scale infection in the standalone's. I think there is potential in that storyline.
Not HH necessarily, just a similar situation.
But thats actually happening off screen in aliens. now were trying to fit a prequel, in between movies, in between scenes.........? what next? Ripley's life story before alien?
talk about milking it.
QuoteNot HH necessarily, just a similar situation.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 13, 2009, 01:50:15 AM
Quote from: highlandpred on Jul 12, 2009, 07:33:19 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 12, 2009, 04:56:13 AM
True.
I just wanted to see the transition of a human colony from a human environ to an alien one. Hadley's hope is the only mass scale infection in the standalone's. I think there is potential in that storyline.
Not HH necessarily, just a similar situation.
But thats actually happening off screen in aliens. now were trying to fit a prequel, in between movies, in between scenes.........? what next? Ripley's life story before alien?
talk about milking it.
QuoteNot HH necessarily, just a similar situation.
...and i'll say it again, that story (or any similar)does not explain the need for it to be a prequel. That story can easily be Alien 5. Which is why this has to be about the jockey IMO
Regardless of what the script actually entails, I really hope they keep live jockeys out of it. I just don't think there is any way to do it well, or if there is a way to do it well, Fox certainly won't choose to do it that way.
Quote from: highlandpred on Jul 13, 2009, 03:20:08 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 13, 2009, 01:50:15 AM
Quote from: highlandpred on Jul 12, 2009, 07:33:19 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 12, 2009, 04:56:13 AM
True.
I just wanted to see the transition of a human colony from a human environ to an alien one. Hadley's hope is the only mass scale infection in the standalone's. I think there is potential in that storyline.
Not HH necessarily, just a similar situation.
But thats actually happening off screen in aliens. now were trying to fit a prequel, in between movies, in between scenes.........? what next? Ripley's life story before alien?
talk about milking it.
QuoteNot HH necessarily, just a similar situation.
...and i'll say it again, that story (or any similar)does not explain the need for it to be a prequel. That story can easily be Alien 5. Which is why this has to be about the jockey IMO
I reckon an Alien prequel would be about the jockey, and not about Hadley's Hope.
I also think a Hadley's Hope situation has been passed over. There is no epicness to it. It would've been nice in the early going of the series, but now the series needs closure, not any sort of extension.
Why not just leave Hadleys alone, and make a new story, that takes place between A1 and A2, seperate from them.
There was a 57 year gap between A1 and A2, and there very well could have been other people who found the Derelict with similar results as A1.
It could even end up being a story that ultimately leads to no survivors, so as to not interfeer with A1 or A2 directly.
For all we know the scenerio that happened in A1 could have repeated several times before Hadleys was constructed.
Even for purposes of a sequel movie, or A5, that derelict could still be there. What was the blast radius? 40 km? I doubt that would reach the derelict either.
They could include the Derelict if they wanted, but they'd be ignoring the events of Alien3 and Resurrection.
QuoteFor all we know the scenerio that happened in A1 could have repeated several times before Hadleys was constructed.
And no one at WY ever caught on?
Quote from: SM on Jul 22, 2009, 01:48:12 AM
They could include the Derelict if they wanted, but they'd be ignoring the events of Alien3 and Resurrection.
QuoteFor all we know the scenerio that happened in A1 could have repeated several times before Hadleys was constructed.
they have ignored much bigger things. ::)
They could also just say that the grid cordinates of the derelict were lost, or that geological activity spurred by the explosion burried it. Hundreds of years later, they dig it up again.
Quote from: SM on Jul 22, 2009, 01:48:12 AM
And no one at WY ever caught on?
It is WY after all.
Quote from: Meathead320 on Jul 22, 2009, 01:43:14 AM
Why not just leave Hadleys alone, and make a new story, that takes place between A1 and A2, seperate from them.
There was a 57 year gap between A1 and A2, and there very well could have been other people who found the Derelict with similar results as A1.
It could even end up being a story that ultimately leads to no survivors, so as to not interfeer with A1 or A2 directly.
For all we know the scenerio that happened in A1 could have repeated several times before Hadleys was constructed.
Even for purposes of a sequel movie, or A5, that derelict could still be there. What was the blast radius? 40 km? I doubt that would reach the derelict either.
The INITIAL blast is 40KM; you're ignoring airshock and the fact the derelict, which is fragile enough to be damaged by earthquakes is literally hanging over a fault line. Also ignoring how nasty shit would be thrown up into the atmosphere, which makes Acheron still uninhabitable 250 years later.
Quote from: Xhan on Jul 22, 2009, 03:15:01 AM
The INITIAL blast is 40KM; you're ignoring airshock and the fact the derelict, which is fragile enough to be damaged by earthquakes is literally hanging over a fault line. Also ignoring how nasty shit would be thrown up into the atmosphere, which makes Acheron still uninhabitable 250 years later.
Those are all good reasons a write could use as to why WY may have either not looked for it, OR was not able to find it.
It may still exist, or is at least something that can be used in terms of a story, even 300 years later. They could say geological activity was thought to have destroyed it, but rather just buried it, and later geologic activity oncovered it again. It may have been damaged, but the egg/cargo area was HUGE, and seemed like it was far underground.
They had the co-ordinates of the Derelict for 200 years post Fiorina - and found nowt. If there was anything there to find they would've found it, instead of spending vast amounts of time and money cloning Ripley.
They may have just figured it a lost cause, there could be radiation, maybe if it had been buried by geologic activity it was not accessible.
Maybe after the disaster at Fury 161 and Hadley's hope, WY scrapped the whole Alien project, and very possibly a fiscal decision was made to cut their losses.
They may have also checked out LV-426 found that the derelict had been so deeply buried, and was surrounded by so much radiation that this only helped make the decision to cut losses.
I mean if WY wanted the Alien so bad, they could have cloned Ripley right after what happened on Fury 161 then too. If they have inter Galactic space ships, and androids, then I think they could already clone a human. It did not take 200 years of R&D to get it right. I think no one attempted it until far later.
For some reason her blood sat on ice for 200 years, and that may be the same reason no one messed with the derelict, WY cutting their losses.
When the USM took over the records, they decided to investigate all options, and to re-open the Alien file.
They may have set up multiple teams, all working around the clock, not putting all eggs in the same basket. At the same time one is cloning Ripley, another could be back on LV-426, with a massive dig crew, going deep underground to uncover the lost Derelict.
None of these options are going to be "perfect" back stories, but they are far easier on continuity than say AVP and AVPR. It not like there were not other illogical ideas in other Alien films. The point is it could pass for logical enough to use as a source of Aliens in an A5.
Then there is Aliens coming from the Derelict before Hadleys hope was built.
The source of Aliens in an A5 could come from a lost human ship that may have encountered the Derelict in that 57 year gap from A1 to A2.
Say a decent sized human ship gets an alien onboard, which leads to a Queen and a whole hive, not unlike Hadleys hope, and the ship ends up adrift in space, lost for 300 years. Maybe all the Aliens in it have died off, or are just Hibernating, but at least plenty of eggs remain. The ship gets found etc...
QuoteThey may have just figured it a lost cause, there could be radiation, maybe if it had been buried by geologic activity it was not accessible.
They have androids that pass for human - they could've sent robots to dig for the Derelict without any dramas at all.
QuoteI mean if WY wanted the Alien so bad, they could have cloned Ripley right after what happened on Fury 161 then too.
Maybe they tried and hit the same wall the USM did 200 years later.
QuoteThey may have set up multiple teams, all working around the clock, not putting all eggs in the same basket. At the same time one is cloning Ripley, another could be back on LV-426, with a massive dig crew, going deep underground to uncover the lost Derelict.
They may have dug, but Resurrection tells us they never found anything.
Fair enough, but as I said before, there have been bigger plot holes in these films than "wouldn't they have already looked there".
Anyhow, what of the Aliens having come from the Derelict on another vistitng ship between A1 and A2?
This I think would be far more plausable.
SHips finds Alien, takes off.
Alien kills ship members, makes eggs, or a Queen whatever, there are now eggs on board.
Ship floats around in space for a few hundred year.
Humans recover ship, and get Aliens, and get killed.
QuoteFair enough, but as I said before, there have been bigger plot holes in these films than "wouldn't they have already looked there".
As I said earlier, if they wanted to revisit the Derelict in a future film they will. Doesn't stop it creating continuity errors however.
Quote from: Miker25 on Jul 12, 2009, 12:50:38 AM
Id like to see a Hadleys Hope prequel I think it would be interesting to see happened between the discovery of the Derelict to the Arrival of the Sulaco
Ermmm.... dunno about you but we already did. Its called Aliens Special Edition DUHHHHHH!!! Jeez ..can someone close this thread please....
^ there was only the one scene wasn't there? There could have been weeks of fighting/hiding after newt's dad got face-raped.