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Hay i'm a fan of the origanal avp novels and for predator's it looks like their leaning to the hish concept.If your a predator fan say hell no to this abomination.Who want's sex switching predator's really.

When did it ever say that it was using the Hish concept?

Just because its on the Predator planet?

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 06, 2009, 12:22:59 AM
When did it ever say that it was using the Hish concept?

Just because its on the Predator planet?

I think he is refering to the idea of Predators using humans as slaves as well as trading their technology with other humans via the black market kind of thing which maybe used from Rodriguez's rough draft.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 12:27:44 AM

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 06, 2009, 12:22:59 AM
When did it ever say that it was using the Hish concept?

Just because its on the Predator planet?

I think he is refering to the idea of Predators using humans as slaves as well as trading their technology with other humans via the black market kind of thing which maybe used from Rodriguez's rough draft.

-Rakai'Thwei

Forgot how retarded Rod's script was.

Can't say I love this whole 'snitch to the Predators' thing, but it could work. Depends how it's handled.

Quote from: War Wager on Jul 06, 2009, 01:21:50 AM
Can't say I love this whole 'snitch to the Predators' thing, but it could work. Depends how it's handled.

First off, I don't see it working at all.... I mean thats like saying well, a Jewish POW snitching on his fellow captives to the SS gaurds or something else I can't really relate to think.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 06, 2009, 01:13:46 AM
Forgot how retarded Rod's script was.

And yet Rodriguez think's it's still "Cool."

-Rakai'Thwei

I only read the first few pages of that script and had to stop from its stupidity. Looks like it only gets worse from what people are saying in this thread. And if they keep the trading humans for the predator technology story point I'll just wait for the dvd. That's just retarded. Why does it have to be so over done?

Chances are if we have a problem with the direction they're going in, we're probably not going to like the movie.

The Alien prequel looks better everyday compared to this.

But maybe I'll be wrong.

I posted up a Youtube rant about Robert Rodriguez's concept and well, hopefully, it will get others encouraged to post up their own opinions about the new movie-- even if they like the idea or hate it.

Personally, if you ask me, I believe Fox has been screwing with us fans for long enough now-- and we just sit here and accept it, yet we constantly whine and bitch about how we're being screwed. I think it's time fans get their voices heard one way or another.

-Rakai'Thwei

Where's the link to this video? I'd like to see it.

Quote from: echobbase79 on Jul 06, 2009, 01:49:40 AM

Where's the link to this video? I'd like to see it.

I'm not going to freely post it on the forums here because I maybe mocked for my personal views.. However, I will note it to you in PMs.

-Rakai'Thwei

Theres nothing to say that concepts getting used anyway.

Who cares what other people think. Post it and stand up for what you believe in. That's what you said here:

Personally, if you ask me, I believe Fox has been screwing with us fans for long enough now-- and we just sit here and accept it, yet we constantly whine and bitch about how we're being screwed. I think it's time fans get their voices heard one way or another.


But that's up to you.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 01:46:53 AM
I posted up a Youtube rant about Robert Rodriguez's concept and well, hopefully, it will get others encouraged to post up their own opinions about the new movie-- even if they like the idea or hate it.

Personally, if you ask me, I believe Fox has been screwing with us fans for long enough now-- and we just sit here and accept it, yet we constantly whine and bitch about how we're being screwed. I think it's time fans get their voices heard one way or another.

-Rakai'Thwei

What's your youtube page? I'd love to see it. RR can be good, but that script was terrible beyond words! We really need to contact Fox or RR. No Predator planet! No sex changing either! Keep what we've seen but give the pred a personallity of sorts. Each hunter would have a different style or method. Maybe include some of the ideas in South China Sea, like blood painting.

Quote from: echobbase79 on Jul 06, 2009, 01:52:41 AM

Who cares what other people think. Post it and stand up for what you believe in. That's what you said here:

Personally, if you ask me, I believe Fox has been screwing with us fans for long enough now-- and we just sit here and accept it, yet we constantly whine and bitch about how we're being screwed. I think it's time fans get their voices heard one way or another.


But that's up to you.

You know what... You're right....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1sibKevTaQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1sibKevTaQ)

Video link is there... However, my views may not agree with others. But that is to be expected.

-Rakai'Thwei

It was a good video and you brought up a lot of good points, but don't even think the filmmakers are going to go by the novels ideas. I'm not sure they even follow such things. I could be wrong but I seriously doubt it.

Also, the way you described how a female predator shouldn't be done is exactly how Hollywood would make it. They don't have a clue dude.

"As a fan, it bothers me that Robert Rodriguez is actually going to ignore AvP and AvP-R"

I actually think that's a very, very good thing.

Quote from: echobbase79 on Jul 06, 2009, 02:04:13 AM

It was a good video and you brought up a lot of good points, but don't even think the filmmakers are going to go by the novels ideas. I'm not sure they even follow such things. I could be wrong but I seriously doubt it.

Also, the way you described how a female predator shouldn't be done is exactly how Hollywood would make it. They don't have a clue dude.

For some reason people tell me I bring up alot of good points, though I don't know why...

And I don't expect for the filmmakers to listen to one fan, nor do I expect them to follow the novel or comic ideas which I have happened to brought up in the video.

But yeah, I actually think a female should be a robust warrioress monsterous thing.

The purpose of the video is to get fans with camera to voice their opinions on Youtube and perhaps get multiple voices heard. I've posted this video as a response to numerous users thoughts on the new film and even FEARNet. Most of them were declined to be added as responses, save for one user.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 06, 2009, 02:07:26 AM
"As a fan, it bothers me that Robert Rodriguez is actually going to ignore AvP and AvP-R"

I actually think that's a very, very good thing.

And I disagree.. Oh how wonderful it is to live in a Democracy.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 02:08:10 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on Jul 06, 2009, 02:04:13 AM

It was a good video and you brought up a lot of good points, but don't even think the filmmakers are going to go by the novels ideas. I'm not sure they even follow such things. I could be wrong but I seriously doubt it.

Also, the way you described how a female predator shouldn't be done is exactly how Hollywood would make it. They don't have a clue dude.

For some reason people tell me I bring up a lot of good points, though I don't know why...

And I don't expect for the filmmakers to listen to one fan, nor do I expect them to follow the novel or comic ideas which I have happened to brought up in the video.

But yeah, I actually think a female should be a robust warrioress monsterous thing.

The purpose of the video is to get fans with camera to voice their opinions on Youtube and perhaps get multiple voices heard. I've posted this video as a response to numerous users thoughts on the new film and even FEARNet. Most of them were declined to be added as responses, save for one user.

-Rakai'Thwei

Yes, I agree. They should be just as brutal or more so than the male warriors. I love strong female characters in general so I'd welcome a ruff and tough female predator.

I see that you enjoy AvP and AvP: R. Which is fine, and to each his own, but you do know those movies should've been better than that?

The first movie was supposed to be a one shot deal between the two creatures. AvP has a decent story but its the execution that it fails at. Both films have great visuals but that's it. Compared to the "classics" as you stated in your video these films don't even rank up against them. Its like comparing gold to shit. And I used to like Requiem as a fun monster movie, but come on these films are more than that.

And the second movie has no real reason to exist but to milk the idea for some more money, which it did. Both films combined have grossed over $300 million worldwide. So Fox got their money out of the product and they still will. The third AvP game from Rebellion looks to be a best seller.  

I just wish they would've taken the idea a bit more seriously and treated as a quality product.

Quote from: echobbase79 on Jul 06, 2009, 02:15:10 AM
Yes, I agree. They should be just as brutal or more so than the male warriors. I love strong female characters in general so I'd welcome a ruff and tough female predator.

As long as it's done right mind you.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 02:08:40 AM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 06, 2009, 02:07:26 AM
"As a fan, it bothers me that Robert Rodriguez is actually going to ignore AvP and AvP-R"

I actually think that's a very, very good thing.

And I disagree.. Oh how wonderful it is to live in a Democracy.

-Rakai'Thwei

I just don't get it, you're making this thread and making a rant video on youtube and telling us what you think is good or bad, fine, that's cool, but in my book, you lost credibility when you said that you don't want AvP to be ignored. What did that shitty ass movie gave us other then destroying a wonderful design while f**king up it's behaviour?

You're right, we live in a democracy and that's a good thing, but i have to disagree with you on that one. And that's coming from a big Predator fan also.

If you ask me ignoring avp to ignore part of the franchise would be to give in and let fox do whatever they want with the predator even if that means making it a sex changing,slave keeping mockery we need to voice or opinion and stop fox from f**king with us.

Females would be welcome. Narnin has done some amazing sculpts with them. But I'd prefer if it didn't just state: We're under attack by a huge female thing! Just add differences to the build and prehaps colors as well. Maybe tattoos and percings. But above all, I want to see Predators with scars. Missing eyes, mandibles, fingers. These are brutal creatures, they would be covred in them.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 01:50:20 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on Jul 06, 2009, 01:49:40 AM

Where's the link to this video? I'd like to see it.

I'm not going to freely post it on the forums here because I maybe mocked for my personal views.. However, I will note it to you in PMs.

-Rakai'Thwei

Man, screw other's opinions. Screw my opinion. Anybody's.

Plus, don't mention it if you're not going to post it.

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 06, 2009, 02:21:58 AM
If you ask me ignoring avp to ignore part of the franchise would be to give in and let fox do whatever they want with the predator even if that means making it a sex changing,slave keeping mockery we need to voice or opinion and stop fox from f**king with us.

No, they cant do what they want because there is still Predator and Predator 2, and that should be the only thing that should be held as a standart, not the AvP's.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 06, 2009, 02:18:38 AM
I just don't get it, you're making this thread and making a rant video on youtube and telling us what you think is good or bad, fine, that's cool, but in my book, you lost credibility when you said that you don't want AvP to be ignored. What did that shitty ass movie gave us other then destroying a wonderful design while f**king up it's behaviour?

You're right, we live in a democracy and that's a good thing, but i have to disagree with you on that one. And that's coming from a big Predator fan also.

Losing credibility? To who? You? Because if thats the case, I could quite frankly care less about your opinion on me in terms of being a fan.

We all have likes and dislikes, we all have opinions and different views on many things... We can agree to disagree without this turning into a flame war, which is something I most certainly don't want.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jul 06, 2009, 02:22:19 AM
Man, screw other's opinions. Screw my opinion. Anybody's.

Plus, don't mention it if you're not going to post it.

Already posted the link.

-Rakai'Thwei

I know you did. I'm talking about in general.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 02:08:40 AM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 06, 2009, 02:07:26 AM
"As a fan, it bothers me that Robert Rodriguez is actually going to ignore AvP and AvP-R"

I actually think that's a very, very good thing.

And I disagree.. Oh how wonderful it is to live in a Democracy.

-Rakai'Thwei

You know damn well 99% of fans are happy about it, so you're in the minority.

Quote
Losing credibility? To who? You?

Zing!

QuoteBecause if thats the case, I could quite frankly care less about your opinion on me in terms of being a fan.

That's cool, because i don't care if you care or not, just like you, i can express my opinion on things.

QuoteWe can agree to disagree without this turning into a flame war

Who's talking about a flame war? This board is here for expressing and exchanging opinions with other fans, and that's exactly what we do now.

Were predator fan's we have a right to speak up about or character wether their killing alien's or hunting human's the movie's the book's have brought us together,we may have diffrent view's but were all the same were fan's dammit and we have opinions.

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jul 06, 2009, 02:26:39 AM
You know damn well 99% of fans are happy about it, so you're in the minority.

Since when did you speak for everybody? Because what you just said was downright arrogant of you.

I acknowledge that those who don't like Rodriguez's idea are a minority, but are you so dense enough to ignore other's opinions which differs from yours and only acknowledge those who are like minded?

Seems that way to me.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 06, 2009, 02:28:26 AM

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Losing credibility? To who? You?

Zing!

QuoteBecause if thats the case, I could quite frankly care less about your opinion on me in terms of being a fan.

That's cool, because i don't care if you care or not, just like you, i can express my opinion on things.

QuoteWe can agree to disagree without this turning into a flame war

Who's talking about a flame war? This board is here for expressing and exchanging opinions with other fans, and that's exactly what we do now.

Zing? Okay.


And I can agree... We agree to disagree.


I personally feel that those who are not like minded and those who have differ opinions are often black listed, black sheeped, and singled out. I get a small feeling of frustration from it and to be honest, it's kind of irritating. But we don't have to get into something petty. Thats why I think we can discuss this civilly.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 06, 2009, 02:28:51 AM
Were predator fan's we have a right to speak up about or character wether their killing alien's or hunting human's the movie's the book's have brought us together,we may have diffrent view's but were all the same were fan's dammit and we have opinions.

Amen to that.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 02:29:16 AM

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jul 06, 2009, 02:26:39 AM
You know damn well 99% of fans are happy about it, so you're in the minority.

Since when did you speak for everybody? Because what you just said was downright arrogant of you.

I acknowledge that those who don't like Rodriguez's idea are a minority, but are you so dense enough to ignore other's opinions which differs from yours and only acknowledge those who are like minded?

Seems that way to me.

-Rakai'Thwei

and wether i be in the minority or not i agree with RakaiThwei or favorite monster should'nt be screwed up with a reboot.It's next film should'nt mess up the culture it's built up over so many years it's just wrong.

I say they'll probably use some of Requiem's ideas for the Predator homeworld for the movie.

QuoteThats why I think we can discuss this civilly.

But, havent we done so thus far?  :-\

He's saying we have and we should keep it that way not try to start argument's.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 06, 2009, 02:35:38 AM
But, havent we done so thus far?  :-\

I'm just saying that in general. Just throwing that out there for Pete's sake, you know?

Personally, I have no hard feelings against you as I don't know you too well, but I would like to discuss things further with you in the future. No hard feelings?

-Rakai'Thwei

Alright let's shake hands and agree to disagree guys.This ai'nt the biggest peace treaty in the world but it will work.

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 06, 2009, 02:28:51 AM
Were predator fan's we have a right to speak up about or character wether their killing alien's or hunting human's the movie's the book's have brought us together,we may have diffrent view's but were all the same were fan's dammit and we have opinions.

Woah nelly, simmah down. The Predator is a fictional character, we're not a Peace Organization.

But we could be(jk)I think we have a right to our opinions and or character.

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jul 06, 2009, 02:45:38 AM
Woah nelly, simmah down. The Predator is a fictional character, we're not a Peace Organization.

I believe his point is that we are all Predator fans, perhaps the one thing we all have in common.

-Rakai'Thwei

Wether we or white or black ,asian or midget we or united by a comman thing,we or friends brothers in arms till the end.Or trust or love for a character that has brought us to this forum.We may be sea's apart but we or united in heart.(this is me working on my motivational speech)

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 06, 2009, 02:50:20 AM
Wether we or white or black ,asian or midget we or united by a comman thing,we or friends brothers in arms till the end.

Lol, talk about taking it to the next level.

Posted by: predatorfandrc90

QuoteIt's next film shouldn't mess up the culture it's built up over so many years it's just wrong.

They already said that this is going to be penned as a sequel (to Predator and Predator 2), so really, we don't know how many ideas they are going to use from his old script and i personally hate the idea of Predators trading technology for humans myself. As long as they don't ignore with whats being established in the originals its all good for me, but AvP? I say f**k that, why? Because it didn't bring anything other to the table then simply destroying anything we liked about the Predator and that's why i said i cant understand why you, or RakaiThwei in this case, want AvP to also be canon, it just doesn't matter.

QuoteI believe his point is that we are all Predator fans, perhaps the one thing we all have in common.

Pvt. Hicks a Predator fan?  :D

I get your point, but man, that was a good one.

I'm a huge, HUGE Predator fan, just a bigger Alien fan. I still remember those nights watching Predator with my dad at night, getting scared BIG time when Dutch was getting ready for that thing.

I was working on my motivational speech hope it sounded good and got my point acrosst.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 06, 2009, 02:52:20 AM
They already said that this is going to be penned as a sequel (to Predator and Predator 2), so really, we don't know how many ideas they are going to use from his old script and i personally hate the idea of Predators trading technology for humans myself. As long as they don't ignore with whats being established in the originals its all good for me, but AvP? I say f**k that, why? Because it didn't bring anything other to the table then simply destroying anything we liked about the Predator and that's why i said i cant understand why you, or RakaiThwei in this case, want AvP to also be canon, it just doesn't matter.

We agree on something here. Two things really, and I'm happy for that. I too hate the idea of Predators trading technology for human slaves, it doesn't seem very kosher to me if you ask. Also, I do agree that that the original Predator and Predator 2 shouldn't be ignored as well-- however, I don't want AvP retconned but it doesn't have to be addressed per se in this sequel, or unless someone says it was an alternate universe where it mirrors both the Alien and Predator franchises but with different origins.

For example, Rocky Balboa was a reboot and ending to the Rocky franchise, however it ignored Rocky V but didn't retcon it per se. I think that might work for this film, if you get what I am saying.

-Rakai'Thwei

Makes sense. I hope that they drop the human trading part. The Predators have been trying to keep their tech out of human hands. They kill us like we kill animals. Do we trade with animals? No. Maybe the AVP films will be the basis of how the humans get to the pred planet. Using the tech from Wolf's plasma gun, maybe?

Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 06, 2009, 03:03:53 AM
Makes sense. I hope that they drop the human trading part. The Predators have been trying to keep their tech out of human hands. They kill us like we kill animals. Do we trade with animals? No. Maybe the AVP films will be the basis of how the humans get to the pred planet. Using the tech from Wolf's plasma gun, maybe?

Personally i want it to be a sequal to predator 2 and give only slight(hard to see)nods to avp.That do'es make since they used plasma engines in the alien movies right.

Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 06, 2009, 03:03:53 AM
Makes sense. I hope that they drop the human trading part. The Predators have been trying to keep their tech out of human hands. They kill us like we kill animals. Do we trade with animals? No. Maybe the AVP films will be the basis of how the humans get to the pred planet. Using the tech from Wolf's plasma gun, maybe?

That is a really controversal issue to talk about.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 02:08:40 AM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 06, 2009, 02:07:26 AM
"As a fan, it bothers me that Robert Rodriguez is actually going to ignore AvP and AvP-R"

I actually think that's a very, very good thing.

And I disagree.. Oh how wonderful it is to live in a Democracy.

-Rakai'Thwei

Just so you know....even the original AvP Comics were never small town U.S.A setting slasher stories.

Thats what made them so good i gave us somthing we've never seen before.

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 06, 2009, 03:13:50 AM
Just so you know....even the original AvP Comics were never small town U.S.A setting slasher stories.

Oh I'm aware, but you also have to remember that the AvP comics in the 80s/90s took places on Alien planets which were never the Predator homeworld. We had Prosperity Wells Ryushi, for example and the atmosphere matched that of ALIENS, in terms of story telling.

And remember Predator: Kindred? That was set in a small town USA setting.. but... hey.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 03:12:43 AM

Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 06, 2009, 03:03:53 AM
Makes sense. I hope that they drop the human trading part. The Predators have been trying to keep their tech out of human hands. They kill us like we kill animals. Do we trade with animals? No. Maybe the AVP films will be the basis of how the humans get to the pred planet. Using the tech from Wolf's plasma gun, maybe?

That is a really controversal issue to talk about.

-Rakai'Thwei

I know.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 03:17:08 AM

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 06, 2009, 03:13:50 AM
Just so you know....even the original AvP Comics were never small town U.S.A setting slasher stories.

And remember Predator: Kindred? That was set in a small town USA setting.. but... hey.

-Rakai'Thwei

That's why it's a Predator story and not AvP?

I do'nt see how wolfs gun is a really controversail issue and the predators an alien putting it in space makes since.
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That's why it's a Predator story and not AvP?


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Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 06, 2009, 03:17:23 AM
I know.

I could discuss how plasma might work to power a starship engine, but I'm no astral-physicist.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 06, 2009, 03:19:01 AM
That's why it's a Predator story and not AvP?

I'm trying to remember an AvP comic where it had a similar setting...

.....Off the top of my head, I can't remember any.. Huh.

-Rakai'Thwei

^Yeah. I really hope they use P2 style ships. Those looked much cooler and more alien than the AVP films. But then again it could be different clan styling.

Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 06, 2009, 03:23:22 AM
^Yeah. I really hope they use P2 style ships. Those looked much cooler and more alien than the AVP films. But then again it could be different clan styling.

Different clans, different beliefs and rules... Different designs!

-Rakai'Thwei

True but they may all have the same base design like a car without all the gadgets.

^ My point exactly. Some Predators may have honor codes and such, depending on clan beliefs. Each would be different, depending on what that group had encountred and how long and varied their history is. Some may be more tribal while others more tech.

Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 06, 2009, 03:36:28 AM
^ My point exactly. Some Predators may have honor codes and such, depending on clan beliefs. Each would be different, depending on what that group had encountred and how long and varied their history is. Some may be more tribal while others more tech.

Supposedily, there have been rumors of an all Bad Blood clan running around as well.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 04:10:08 AM

Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 06, 2009, 03:36:28 AM
^ My point exactly. Some Predators may have honor codes and such, depending on clan beliefs. Each would be different, depending on what that group had encountred and how long and varied their history is. Some may be more tribal while others more tech.

Supposedily, there have been rumors of an all Bad Blood clan running around as well.

-Rakai'Thwei

If it didn't come out of Robert's mouth, it's not true. Good grief. That's just fan speculation, and speculation I haven't heard of until you brought it up.

I,m not really that confident in this movie anymore, zap a few years and we're looking at avp and avpr. First off some no name director, then rumours of a dodgy script.

It's happening all over again......Its Ground Hog day!!!!!

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 12:27:44 AM

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 06, 2009, 12:22:59 AM
When did it ever say that it was using the Hish concept?

Just because its on the Predator planet?

I think he is refering to the idea of Predators using humans as slaves as well as trading their technology with other humans via the black market kind of thing which maybe used from Rodriguez's rough draft.

-Rakai'Thwei

Jesus Christ! Does anyone have a link to this script? I need to read it just to see how horrible it really is.

Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 06, 2009, 03:56:10 PM
Jesus Christ! Does anyone have a link to this script? I need to read it just to see how horrible it really is.

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/m1ust0 (http://www.sendspace.com/pro/m1ust0)

Found this on a Tarantino forum. PDF file. Totally legit, not a bogey or anything.


Oh and page 109 is effin' horrendous. Predators PEE on Wilson.

-Rakai'Thwei

Thats funny but it would totally ruin the character.

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 06, 2009, 06:40:20 PM
Thats funny but it would totally ruin the character.

Thats not funny, thats blasphemy. It would ruin the franchise right than there. I mean.. peeiing on Wilson?

C'mon Rodriguez, are you making a porno?!

-Rakai'Thwei

I said it would totally ruin the character(predator) and the franchise but it would be funny to see in a bloopers reel.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 03:22:30 AM

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 06, 2009, 03:19:01 AM
That's why it's a Predator story and not AvP?

I'm trying to remember an AvP comic where it had a similar setting...

.....Off the top of my head, I can't remember any.. Huh.

-Rakai'Thwei

That's not the point whether there was a similar setting or not, the point is that the movie is bad. "According to you, who speaks for everybody?" Yes, according to me.

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jul 06, 2009, 07:17:50 PM
That's not the point whether there was a similar setting or not, the point is that the movie is bad. "According to you, who speaks for everybody?" Yes, according to me.

You have your opinion, which I'm sure others share sentiments about.

However, I too have an opinion, which others share sentiments about as well.

I get the feeling that you're saying "I'm right, you're wrong, you lose" kind of thing going on here. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

By the way, I linked the script-- did you read it?

-Rakai'Thwei

were hear to discuss predators not avp and avp had it's shinig moments.It was a film that borrowed alot from the comic's and hopefully predators will do the same and not screw up the creature we all know.

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 06, 2009, 07:38:58 PM
wre hear to discuss predators not avp and avp had it's shinig moments.It was a film that borrowed alot from the comic's and hopfully predators will do the same and not screw up the creature we all know.

You never even read the comics.

You learned the plot synopsis from the 5 wikipedia articles.

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 06, 2009, 07:38:58 PM
were hear to discuss predators not avp and avp had it's shinig moments.It was a film that borrowed alot from the comic's and hopefully predators will do the same and not screw up the creature we all know.

Here is the only thing how I see Predators working..

Get rid of the idea of Predators trading humans for technology, get rid of the Predator planet idea and set it on another alien world, get rid of the pissing scene get rid of the slavers idea, doop the human snitch idea, and get rid of the gladiator idea.

We're talking a big, big, script revamp here.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 06, 2009, 07:40:42 PM

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 06, 2009, 07:38:58 PM
wre hear to discuss predators not avp and avp had it's shinig moments.It was a film that borrowed alot from the comic's and hopfully predators will do the same and not screw up the creature we all know.

You never even read the comics.

You learned the plot synopsis from the 5 wikipedia articles.

Dude i own all the predator omnibuses and the second avp omnibuses and i own the first avp comic novelisation so back off.

I hope this film doesn't borrow much at all from the comics, if anything. The only thing it should be doing is looking at Predator and Predator 2 and building on what was established there. I don't have that much confidence in this movie, after RR's script and the shitty AvP movies (which each had bad portrayals of the predators, albeit in different ways) there isn't much to give me confidence that this will be a worthwhile sequel.

All this intergalactic slave trade, predator homeworld, bring back Dutch and Harrigan, warrior space samurai predators, gladiatorial combat, shit needs to get dropped. Those ideas need to remain in the comics, games, and whatever else will have them.

When i said comic's i meant the idea's that predators should keep their technology to themselves since that was one thing that is obvious in many predator comics,as for the slave trade thats just a bad idea And dutch and harrigan should stay in their respected films.Maybe schaffeur from the first predator comics should be included but they'ed have to completely alter the story.Which would be a good thing seeing as how it's going in this god forsaken direction that it is.

Quote from: Eidotemit on Jul 06, 2009, 07:50:08 PM
All this intergalactic slave trade, predator homeworld, bring back Dutch and Harrigan, warrior space samurai predators, gladiatorial combat, shit needs to get dropped.

Those parts which I bolded, I agree with you needs, to be scrapped out from this new movie.

-Rakai'Thwei

Same here honestly.

It's those major elements which make me really, really, not want to see this film happening but hey-- anything for a quick buck in favor for Fox, right?

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 06, 2009, 07:42:52 PM

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 06, 2009, 07:40:42 PM

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 06, 2009, 07:38:58 PM
wre hear to discuss predators not avp and avp had it's shinig moments.It was a film that borrowed alot from the comic's and hopfully predators will do the same and not screw up the creature we all know.

You never even read the comics.

You learned the plot synopsis from the 5 wikipedia articles.

Dude i own all the predator omnibuses and the second avp omnibuses and i own the first avp comic novelisation so back off.

Yeah yeah,was throwing sticks in the fire.  ;D

Thanks man real appreciated either way they should make the story completely diffrent if their going to make this movie.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 08:51:15 PM
It's those major elements which make me really, really, not want to see this film happening but hey-- anything for a quick buck in favor for Fox, right?

-Rakai'Thwei

Fox is only distributing it, not having a hand in it's production. And not everything associated with what you dislike about Predators is for the money. You don't hear a Fox Exec go "People will go to the theater in droves just to see the slave trade!" No, this whole project is based off of how bad the AvP films were, and Fox trying to wash their hands of them. They are the ones that threw the 40 million at this, which is the highest they can go with an R-rating.

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jul 07, 2009, 12:13:27 AM
Fox is only distributing it, not having a hand in it's production. And not everything associated with what you dislike about Predators is for the money. You don't hear a Fox Exec go "People will go to the theater in droves just to see the slave trade!" No, this whole project is based off of how bad the AvP films were, and Fox trying to wash their hands of them. They are the ones that threw the 40 million at this, which is the highest they can go with an R-rating.

Having a bigger budget doesn't automatically gaurentee that this film is going to be good. Even YOU can acknowledge this.


You have to consider the script, writing, editing, etc as well and the way it has to be pulled off. Not all movies have to have a massive budget to be successful-- for example, look at the first Rocky film, it was an extremely low budget film which became an iconic American classic.

And if you think the AvP films are so bad, what makes you think that the concepts in the script of PREDATORS is going to be any better? Honestly, I'd like to hear.

Johnny Handsome and I, and a few others have agreed that the Slave and Gladiator and Trading idea has to be scrapped. What makes you think these elements are good?

-Rakai'Thwei

I love how Dutch hooks up with a Predator named Renegade at the end of this script.  :-\ :'(

I hope someone does a script review for this when the script is done. There's a lot of concern that needs to be put to rest.

Quote from: echobbase79 on Jul 07, 2009, 02:32:08 AM


I love how Dutch hooks up with a Predator named Renegade at the end of this script.  :-\ :'(

I hope someone does a script review for this when the script is done. There's a lot of concern that needs to be put to rest.

If you ask me, Renegade was the ONLY saving grace of the horrendous script... I mean I personally like the idea of a Predator hero but not many here on this forum do for some reason.

But yes, I do agree with you, there is alot from this script which does need to be scrapped away-- like page 109 when the Predators pee on Wilson. So out of character and so not necessary.

-Rakai'Thwei

The hero predator idea is fine but in the AvP films, mostly AvP, they did a poor job of working it into the story. And to be honest a lot of it sucked because of that actress that played Lex. I didn't buy her at all in that movie.

I like Wolf, which is one of the only reasons I enjoyed AvP:R. A lot of fans hate him though. That movie just had a piss poor story. And the aliens really sucked in that too. No threat to anyone in that movie. If any creature suffered in those films it was the aliens. They just weren't scary. They haven't been scary since Alien 3.

Quote from: echobbase79 on Jul 07, 2009, 02:48:53 AM

The hero predator idea is fine but in the AvP films, mostly AvP, they did a poor job of working it into the story. And to be honest a lot of it sucked because of that actress that played Lex. I didn't buy her at all in that movie.

I like Wolf, which is one of the only reasons I enjoyed AvP:R. A lot of fans hate him though. That movie just had a piss poor story. And the aliens really sucked in that too. No threat to anyone in that movie. If any creature suffered in those films it was the aliens. They just weren't scary. They haven't been scary since Alien 3.

I mean I think the idea of a Predator hero is fine, it worked for Terminator 2: Judgement Day.

And yeah, Aliens really haven't been scary post Alien 3. Still, I respect them.

-Rakai'Thwei

How about this: The years is 2543, humans have grown into a space-faring species and are terra-forming worlds (may or may not be similar to "Aliens" version, dependin if the AVP films are cannon). The humans set down on a jungle planet full of alien life. Soldiers are present to protect citizens while a colony is set up. Meanwhile a hunt is under way. A small pack of young warriors, headed by a veteran hunter, discover the settlment.
Just my thoughts on how a similar setting could be much different and still involve multiple Predators. I might expand it a bit more, if anyone else likes the idea. :)

Rakai,

Thank you for finding and posting a link to the script. I've been trying to find it for a long time. I have yet to read it, but remember you guys...the script is being re-written by two people. So, maybe ALOT has been changed...idk for sure. We will have to see.

Quote from: Space Disc Jockey on Jul 07, 2009, 04:35:00 AM
Rakai,

Thank you for finding and posting a link to the script. I've been trying to find it for a long time. I have yet to read it, but remember you guys...the script is being re-written by two people. So, maybe ALOT has been changed...idk for sure. We will have to see.

I would like to see some changes but according to the front page:

I can't go too much into the story right now, because we're still writing. But it still involves a very intense group of people stranded on a Predator planet discovering unspeakable horrors (that are not always from outside their group).

They're still keeping major elements in it-- the Predator planet and the group of rag-tag Marines.

I don't like the idea of it being set on the Predator homeworld, but the rag-tag Marines I don't mind... The things which bother me the most are the following.

Predators trading humans for technology
Predators being Slavers
Gladiator Arena
Predators PEEING on Wilson
JC being a snitch

We're talking about a massive script revamp which needs to be addressed or made.

-Rakai'Thwei

Please no, once they show the home world like this, the atmosphere of the Predator is damaged.

A predator movie should be about a group of interesting characters being systematically hunted, with all of human history to provide a backdrop. It's that simple.

We do not need to see and know all these things, the mystery adds to their mythos, and it makes them more believable as an extra terrestrial race.

The whole notion that a primitive and sadistic creature like the Predator would have technology beyond the combustion engine is pretty damn improbable and laughable, they would have had ample opportunity to destroy themselves thousands of times over before ever achieving the tech needed for interstellar travel. How could they possibly have avoided it? Of course, science fiction rarely takes this into account with all the improbable doomsday scenarios we're presented by hollywood and literary authors.

The whole notion of scientist predators makes my skin crawl. Imagining them actually designing interstellar craft and energy weapons,.... groan. And they just hand it over to their brutish warrior overlords?

Once you explore the Predator race and homeworld, they begin to turn into a warped sort of Klingon clone. Let's leave them as nomadic hunters.

I've always found the notion that the Predators stumbled upon their technology in someway much more believable.

Maybe a powerful race of hyper advanced aliens perished and the Predators found their vessel, adapting the crudest of the tech in some way.

Or perhaps the Predators were a sort of protector for an advanced race, like Star Trek DS9 had the Jem'hadar, created by the Dominion as body guards and soldiers.

They later escaped, or outlived their masters somehow.

I've day dreamed about an AVP story at times about the Pilot race, engineering the aliens as weapons, and the preds as soldiers and body guards, tying them together nicely, but I'd rather see the two franchises seperated in that department. But it would be interesting to pursue the idea.

It would have been interesting to learn Predators were from our solar system as well, like Mars, or a moon of Jupiter.

It would make their technology much less advanced and believable as well.

I think the most interesting idea for a new predator movie would be based on the Bad Blood comic series, a predator vs predator scenario.

I loved that comic.

This concept sounds bad.  You know what annoys me, that fat prick Knowles is more interested about telling us how he 'breaks bread' with Rodriguez.  You know what?  The 'Q&A' with Knowles?  That was a deliberate ploy to test backlash.

I always thought that they created their own weapons and armor, custumized to fit the warrior. That's why each Predator has a style and weapon vartations. Besides, itwould be too o say "They found it".How? Why do we care? I think that Predators all make their own. Then, say one of them makes an adancement-like te first plasma caster-he could trade the knowlage it for information about good hunting sites...or, another could kill him and take it. Predators are brutal and strong, but not stupid.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 07, 2009, 02:42:44 AM

Quote from: echobbase79 on Jul 07, 2009, 02:32:08 AM


I love how Dutch hooks up with a Predator named Renegade at the end of this script.  :-\ :'(

I hope someone does a script review for this when the script is done. There's a lot of concern that needs to be put to rest.

If you ask me, Renegade was the ONLY saving grace of the horrendous script... I mean I personally like the idea of a Predator hero but not many here on this forum do for some reason.


-Rakai'Thwei

Go watch Predator and Predator 2,stop jacking off to mediocre AvP comics.

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 07, 2009, 04:44:48 PM
Go watch Predator and Predator 2,stop jacking off to mediocre AvP comics.

[Holds up my Predator and Predator 2 VHS and DVDs]

I watch the movies too, but there is no need for such an unnecessary comment like that.

-Rakai'Thwei

Ok, I read most of the "Predators" script last night and I have to agree...it SUCKS!!! OMG, I'm sooo disappointed = / I HOPE Alex and Michael are doing a good job re-writing the script and making MAJOR F-ing changes!

- Humans wearing Predator gear
- The Predator on a cross
- An f-ing guilotine? WTF? Predators trade humans for that? HORRIBLE
- Dutch is not even necessary
- The gladiator arena is lame
- Predators trading technology/human snitch
- The Predator "slingshot" sounds stupid
- Too much Predators chasing people through the trees

I dont know if Harry Knowles has read this script, but I want to send it to him to read, as well as maybe other movie websites. Get the word out and have people ask Robert questions about the script! I'm thinking about sending Harry an email with a link to the script...

But I totally agree that this script is TERRIBLE. Man, I really hope much of what I read last night will not be in the final script.

Quote from: Space Disc Jockey on Jul 07, 2009, 06:09:16 PM
Ok, I read most of the "Predators" script last night and I have to agree...it SUCKS!!! OMG, I'm sooo disappointed = / I HOPE Alex and Michael are doing a good job re-writing the script and making MAJOR F-ing changes!

- Humans wearing Predator gear
- The Predator on a cross
- An f-ing guilotine? WTF? Predators trade humans for that? HORRIBLE
- Dutch is not even necessary
- The gladiator arena is lame
- Predators trading technology/human snitch
- The Predator "slingshot" sounds stupid
- Too much Predators chasing people through the trees

I dont know if Harry Knowles has read this script, but I want to send it to him to read, as well as maybe other movie websites. Get the word out and have people ask Robert questions about the script! I'm thinking about sending Harry an email with a link to the script...

But I totally agree that this script is TERRIBLE. Man, I really hope much of what I read last night will not be in the final script.

THANK YOU!!  ;D

I personally thought of starting a petetion to send to Fox, Rodriguez, Litvak, and Antal-- but I'm not sure if I should or not. I mean yes, we don't know what has been re-written or taken away or added but either way as fans, we should be addressing our concerns to the higher-ups but knowing them, in their perspective, we're just ants...

I strongly encourage anyone to get their voices heard, use youtube, twitter, myspace-- as long as your voice is heard.

And Space Disc Jockey, if you want to send in the script to a movie website-- feel free to do so, as the decision is in YOUR hands.

-Rakai'Thwei

People need to know about this script! It's a horrible script and I'm not sure if many know how bad it is. Sure, Robert wrote it for fun, but it's just not goood = / I'm going to make a topic with a link to the script. Rakai, I will give you credit = )

THE MOST HORRIBLE SCRIPT EVER!!! Jesus Christ, I started reading it like at 6 in the morning today, and holy balls of fury is it one of the most horrible reads ever. I've read fan-fics that are better than this!

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 07, 2009, 05:02:23 PM

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 07, 2009, 04:44:48 PM
Go watch Predator and Predator 2,stop jacking off to mediocre AvP comics.

[Holds up my Predator and Predator 2 VHS and DVDs]

I watch the movies too, but there is no need for such an unnecessary comment like that.

-Rakai'Thwei

Oh please don't act like you were outrageously offended. ::)

I can't believe how many times I have told you guys that Alex Litvak is writing a completely new script! He's borrowing elements from RR's original script yes, such as the planet, but none of the human trading. You guys also refuse to believe that RR wrote it for fun. For fun.

If there's a single active braincell at Fox, they'd ditch the whole Predator planet.

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jul 07, 2009, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 07, 2009, 05:02:23 PM

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 07, 2009, 04:44:48 PM
Go watch Predator and Predator 2,stop jacking off to mediocre AvP comics.

[Holds up my Predator and Predator 2 VHS and DVDs]

I watch the movies too, but there is no need for such an unnecessary comment like that.

-Rakai'Thwei

Oh please don't act like you were outrageously offended. ::)

I can't believe how many times I have told you guys that Alex Litvak is writing a completely new script! He's borrowing elements from RR's original script yes, such as the planet, but none of the human trading. You guys also refuse to believe that RR wrote it for fun. For fun.

aww man i was reallly reallly excited when i heard there was going to be some human trading involved. Sigh.... :)

I think I can see where they may be going with this plot.  I don't think the planet will be the homeworld.  predators are nomadic.  blurb says 'a' predator planet, not 'the' predator planet.  maybe the human characters get stuck on a predator truck stop planet...

maybe the storyline takes place during an early period of interstellar travel for Earth, only a moon base, Mars colonies and a very few other systems / planets with fledgling colonies.  and a commercial starliner gets hijacked...an extremist group wants to go someplace for refuge...but, little do they suspect...it's a predator truck stop planet, and they're stuck there.

Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 07, 2009, 08:16:15 PM
If there's a single active braincell at Fox, they'd ditch the whole Predator planet.

That's the one thing I'm actually happy about, a Predator planet in the movie makes up for a terrific setting.
Its like King Kong, were they go to Skull Island and discover pure horror, if its done right this could turn out awesome.


I personally like the idea of this being in our time line (f**k the future setting), without humans flying spaceships (in a Predator movie this actually sounds really ridiculous).
A group of badass marines is being hunted down in a jungle by Predators, then, they are getting captured and abducted by the Predators and being taken to a different planet where Predators know the humans can breath properly. They let them free and start to hunt them and the different sorts of Aliens that are on the planet, making the hunt more difficult and honorable for the Predators.


In the first Predator, there is a quote: "What about the rest of Hoppers men? There is no sign, they never left here, hell its like they just disappeared."

Just an idea.

I suppose...I might be able to get into it if we're watching the movie and it's just some random ND jungle then we eventually find out it's some different planet.

I just watched the homeworld scene from AvP-R again, Wolf has some human skulls under his throne, either humans were on the homeworld before and he hunted them, or he took them with him from earth.

I still think a whole movie in this sort of environment would make up for a terrific setting. Rodriguez, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity, if you mess it up i will fly down to Mexico, burn down Troublemaker studios, then i will chisel out your knees and put some salt in the wounds while...
Ohh sry, i messed that one up  :-\

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 07, 2009, 11:12:05 PM
I still think a whole movie in this sort of environment would make up for a terrific setting. Rodriguez, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity, if you mess it up i will fly down to Mexico, burn down Troublemaker studios, then i will chisel out your knees and put some salt in the wounds while...

Lynch him! Burn him! Hit him with a rock!!


I have a very, very, very strong feeling that Rodriguez will mess this up because of his ideas. I personally don't like the idea of the Predator planet being the main setting for the main movie from what we have seen in AvP-R.

I strongly believe that the Predator planet would have a strong gravitational pull, seeing as it is surrounded by an asteroid belt which orbits the planet, much like how Saturn's rings are miniature asteroids and how Jupiter has a small asteroid field around it. The very fact we seem to see an asteroid belt surrounding the Predator planet does imply it has a stronger field than Earth's. You also have to consider the bio-sphere settings, such as the unbearable heat and the rivers of lava. In a environment like that, the gravity would be too much for humans to handle, and the heat would make the slightest strain an act of labor, not ot mention the thin air. Granted this could be one of numerous biospheres on the planet, but I don't think that the homeworld should be the setting for the new film.

Why not some other planet? A jungle planet, or a desert planet?


-Rakai'Thwei

Quote
Why not some other planet? A jungle planet, or a desert planet?

You're totally right with the other points you made, i do think the atmosphere on the AvP-R planet and its gravity is a lot different then on earth, but maybe Predators have more planets they live on? They have interstellar space travel systems, so i think there can be more planets they occupy.

Given the fact they can breath different sorts of atmospheres (like the one on earth without problems), i think they can live on planets that are more like earth, so the story could take place there and at the same time, be a Predator planet.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 08, 2009, 12:09:41 AM

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Why not some other planet? A jungle planet, or a desert planet?

You're totally right with the other points you made, i do think the atmosphere on the AvP-R planet and its gravity is a lot different then on earth, but maybe Predators have more planets they live on? They have interstellar space travel systems, so i think there can be more planets they occupy.

Given the fact they can breath different sorts of atmospheres (like the one on earth without problems), i think they can live on planets that are more like earth, so the story could take place there and at the same time, be a Predator planet.

Glad to know you agree with me on the points I made, it seems I wasn't the only one who paid attention in my high school environmental studies classes. Ha ha ha ha ha!  ;)

Hmm... The idea of Predators settling on other worlds doesn't seem too far-fetched, and it is perhaps a very likely thing to happen. But the more and more I read the news on this script, they keep on using "homeworld" and that is just something too hard to ignore.

-Rakai'Thwei

QuoteThe idea of Predators settling on other worlds doesn't seem too far-fetched, and it is perhaps a very likely thing to happen. But the more and more I read the news on this script, they keep on using "homeworld" and that is just something too hard to ignore.

You said it yourself, it's a likely thing to happen, so maybe the planet in AvP-R was a planet they already populated, and they show us the real homeworld in Predators.

Also, he never said "The Homeworld", he said "But it still involves a very intense group of people stranded on a Predator planet discovering unspeakable horrors"

On a Predator planet could mean one of hundreds they already populated.

One of the things I liked about Shirley's Forever Midnight was the notion that the predators had safari planets. Could be something similar.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 08, 2009, 12:21:19 AM
One of the things I liked about Shirley's Forever Midnight was the notion that the predators had safari planets. Could be something similar.

Would actually be a nice idea, a whole planet with various of species just for the hunt.

That seems to be intresting after all humans have safaris, why not predators.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 08, 2009, 12:19:25 AM
You said it yourself, it's a likely thing to happen, so maybe the planet in AvP-R was a planet they already populated, and they show us the real homeworld in Predators.

Also, he never said "The Homeworld", he said "But it still involves a very intense group of people stranded on a Predator planet discovering unspeakable horrors"

On a Predator planet could mean one of hundreds they already populated.

I get your point and it is mentally noted-- perhaps there IS some hope for this film but I am not too optimistic about it at this point unless Rodriguez, Litvak and Antal say otherwise that their premise suggest that the planet they are using is a world being used as a training grounds for the Predators.

I don't have a problem with a Predator film being set in the future. Really, I don't-- what bothers me is the concepts Rodriguez has come up with in his original idea and I fear that it would be used. Nothing is really being said about this film, nothing has indicated that they would drop the gladiator arena, slaver and trading technology for humans idea, because otherwise we would've heard about it by now.

And so far all we keep on hearing is "ROBERT RODRIGUEZ TO PRODUCE PREDATOR FILM, NIMROD DIRECTS" or something along those lines. We haven't heard anything new, we keep on hearing the same thing.

My point is this... I'm happy with a Predator film as long as they don't use the gladiator, slaver, or trading humans for technology BS which Rodriguez came up with.

-Rakai'Thwei

QuoteNothing is really being said about this film

And that's why we all shouldn't be bashing the shit out of everything when in the end of the day, we don't know shit about it.

The little, little things we know about it are a reason to worry, i know that, but you're bashing the f**k out of it already and that's something that is just wrong.

All he said was that he is using the most basic outline for his movie, which is people on Predator planet, which in my book, is totally fine. Whether there will be an arena, a human trading deal, Predator peeing on humans is totally unknown by this point in time. And that's why we simply have to wait and see until some more information's are coming out.

Simple as that.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 08, 2009, 02:02:24 AM

QuoteNothing is really being said about this film

And that's why we all shouldn't be bashing the shit out of everything when in the end of the day, we don't know shit about it.

The little, little things we know about it are a reason to worry, i know that, but you're bashing the f**k out of it already and that's something that is just wrong.

All he said was that he is using the most basic outline for his movie, which is people on Predator planet, which in my book, is totally fine. Whether there will be an arena, a human trading deal, Predator peeing on humans is totally unknown by this point in time. And that's why we simply have to wait and see until some more information's are coming out.

Simple as that.

At least we agree that the gladiator, human-slavering, human trading BS needs to go.

-Rakai'Thwei

We all know that needs to go.

QuoteAt least we agree that the gladiator, human-slavering, human trading BS needs to go.

Totally agreed on the human-slavering and human trading thing, that's something that should have never been written on a piece of paper anyway.

It depends what you mean by Gladiator, if you mean that Predators having humans fight for their survivals in the arena, then yeah, that's bad, but what about an Elder Predator fighting with another Alien creature in a big arena? I'm not talking about something like the arena like gladiator, but really different, Predator like, with technology and all. I think that wouldn't be bad at all.

A creature that puts away all his weapons and protecting helmet to have a fist fight with a human being in Predator, i can totally imagine them fighting different creatures in their homeworld with Predators watching them.


Now imagine this f**ker going off against a deadly alien creature, roaring in that pose and we see him kick major alien ass, that would actually be great. I know sometimes ideas just sound horrible, but arent if you actually see them.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/bluray/normal_pbluray599.jpg)

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 08, 2009, 02:18:45 AM

QuoteAt least we agree that the gladiator, human-slavering, human trading BS needs to go.

Totally agreed on the human-slavering and human trading thing, that's something that should have never been written on a piece of paper anyway.

It depends what you mean by Gladiator, if you mean that Predators having humans fight for their survivals in the arena, then yeah, that's bad, but what about an Elder Predator fighting with another Alien creature in a big arena? I'm not talking about something like the arena like gladiator, but really different, Predator like, with technology and all. I think that wouldn't be bad at all.

A creature that puts away all his weapons and protecting helmet to have a fist fight with a human being in Predator, i can totally imagine them fighting different creatures in their homeworld with Predators watching them.


Now imagine this f**ker going off against a deadly alien creature, roaring in that pose and we see him kick major alien ass, that would actually be great. I know sometimes ideas just sound horrible, but arent if you actually see them.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/bluray/normal_pbluray599.jpg)

Here is where we agree-- forcing humans to compete against a Predator in a gladitorial deathmatch is a damn bad idea. That should've never really come to fruition at all, and at best left in a ten year old's fanfiction and hopefully Litvak will leave that idea out. However, the idea of a Predator competing against an alien creature other than a Xenomorph is something definately worth seeing-- I personally think that it would be awesome to see a Predator take on something like a Rancor with just his bare fists and a staff in a contest of bravery, strength and tenaciousness.

Human Gladiators in Predator arena= Bad.

Predators fighting in a game of death against alien beasts= Interesting Idea.

But here is something which struck accord with me which is gives me mixed feelings. At the end of the original script, it was implied that the Predator race was planning a full-scale assault invasion on Earth. Personally, I'm not so sure how to feel about that-- Predators RARELY go to war. And when they do, it's NOT a pretty picture. While it is speculation, we do know that they are capable of immeasuable ammount of damage-- however, we would REALLY, REALLY, have to piss them off for them in order to invade Earth and declare war but Predators need us humans to hunt..

After all, without us, there could be no hunt.

-Rakai'Thwei

QuoteI personally think that it would be awesome to see a Predator take on something like a Rancor with just his bare fists and a staff in a contest of bravery, strength and tenaciousness.

That's exactly what i had in mind, that would actually be pretty awesome to see.

QuoteBut here is something which struck accord with me which is gives me mixed feelings. At the end of the original script, it was implied that the Predator race was planning a full-scale assault invasion on Earth. Personally, I'm not so sure how to feel about that-- Predators RARELY go to war.

We don't even know if they go to war at all, if there are even creatures out there they can start a war with, it doesn't make any sense for them to go into a war with someone they hunt for fun anyway.

I wouldn't worry about something like that, that is surely something that is going to be left out.

Another idea from Rodriguez which I am not so sure about is the idea of a Predator King. While this could be a fan theory and speculation, perhaps the idea of a supreme Elder is not unreasonable but only if said Elder was elected or by trial of violence and fire to be the appointed this supreme Elder. I can see a council of ruling Elders, each governing an individual clan and the strongest Elder being the head of this council of Elders...

.....I'm still trying to re-adjust to this thing and somehow make sense of it. I'm just rambling so don't mind me.

I'm not sure if I like the idea of a Predator King though.

-Rakai'Thwei

Well ,again, it depends on how they portray it, a Predator king might as well be a normal Predator elder, but he's the guy in charge, i mean there is gotta be some guy in charge.

Do i want to see a Predator with a krone on top of its head? Nope. Do i want to see a Predator with a cape (like in AvP)? Nope, but a Predator on a throne, again, Predator style, with bones and all (like the one we saw in AvP-R) would be badass.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 08, 2009, 02:59:05 AM
Do i want to see a Predator with a krone on top of its head? Nope. Do i want to see a Predator with a cape (like in AvP)? Nope, but a Predator on a throne, again, Predator style, with bones and all (like the one we saw in AvP-R) would be badass.

Of course, I don't want to see a Predator with a head-dress, that would be absoloutely rediculous. Something more ornate though but still pretty conforming to the Predator would be a more highly advanced mask with decorative tribal markings on it but no crown.

I personally didn't mind the idea of an Elder with a cape, but we do need to see something different. After all, different clans, different systems of rulings and beliefs.

But to me, the idea of a Predator King needs to be elaborated because to me it always struck me that Predators really had no real need for politics. But yes, there would be a supreme Elder who establishes the rules and guidelines and code of the hunt. But I've always seen Predator Elders, while each ruling a different clan, coming together in a council meeting to discuss things or address issues in the hunt.

Ironically, it was implied that the Predator in AvP2 (PC) was a Prince from Rykov's journal logs.

-Rakai'Thwei

I'm going to finish reading the script, after I post this, but I wanted to chime in, since this conversation is interesting...

First of all, I like the idea of a "safari" planet for the Predators, instead of the actual homeworld. The idea I always had was that the Predators would bring a handful of tough, bad-ass humans they think would make a worthy hunt for; drop the humans onto a jungle/desert planet and we follow the humans, as the Predators track them. Survival of the fittest. More like,"The Dangerous Game". If it was a Predator "hunting" planet, that would be soo much better.

Sure, there could be a Predator camp, I guess, but I dont want to see humans captured!! And I certainly dont want to see humans fighting in arenas...however, if maybe there is one human left and the Predators capture him or her and then throw them into an arena to fight a Predator...then I would be ok with that. In "Predator", I like how the Predator wanted to fight and was punching the *hit out of Dutch. Bare-fists. Now, a Predator vs. Predator brawl, only one, would be cool too. A Predator fighting other creatures would also be neat. I dont like the idea of humans fighting other creatures.

If there ever is an arena, it should be more like a boxing match, than gladiators. I dont want stadiums or anything like that. If the Predators form a giant circle around the combatants, that would be better. I don't want "Gladiator" or something from "Attack of the Clones".

I like the idea of Predator king and queen. Im not saying wearing crowns or any major elaborate head-dresses, but I dont mind a cape, but I think that's more for a Predator elder. I love the idea of Wolf's throne and something like that would be sweet.

Having the film set on a Predator planet, would work better, since we would still not know, exactly what the homeworld is all about. Maybe at the end of the film, show us the Predator homeworld, but for the rest of the film, use a "hunting" planet. I would be interested to see what the Predators do to a human, who has survived their hunt and survived their arena...maybe take the winner to the Predator homeworld and show them to the king and queen Predators or something.

I know its never going to happen, but I do kind of wish we would see an Alien used in an arena fight with a Predator. There was an black/white image of a Predator (with spear) facing against an Alien in one of the comic-ads for the original, Dark Horse Aliens vs. Predator comic-series. I always wanted to see an image like that on-screen. The Alien and Predator going around in a circle and then fighting each other, like boxers (AVP movie had it more of a wrestling match = / ).

I hope Alex and Michael are re-writing the HELL out of Robert's script. I like the idea of Predators hunting humans on a planet, chosen by the Predators (homeworld or not), but I'm so disappointed that Robert wrote that script = /

Anyway, I still think there's a chance this film could be really bad-ass, if the script is much better and Robert/Nimrod know what the helll they are doing to make it really bad-ass.

Sigh...back to reading the script.

You should work for FOX.

Really? Why? Are you serioius, or sarcastic?

It's official Predator fans, they're going with Rodriguez's script and ideas. Don't believe me? Read the new interview.

START WORRYING.

-Rakai'Thwei

I'm worried as hell right now. Oh well, screw this movie...straight to DVD for me.

Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 08, 2009, 09:29:21 PM
I'm worried as hell right now. Oh well, screw this movie...straight to DVD for me.

I'm not owning it on DVD, or bootleg or ANYTHING.

Like Resurrection, I'm going to pretend that this movie DOESN'T exist.

-Rakai'Thwei

Well, shit, so much for this.

Note: do not discuss bootlegging the movie in this forum

Damn it.
I was hoping they would jettison all the crap and give us something good.
Now I am worried.  :-\
Predators come to Earth to kill people. That is all. No rituals, no kings, no trading, no bull.
It is a god damn hobby.
How
Hard
Is
That!? >:(

Quote from: TheMonolith on Jul 09, 2009, 02:43:58 AM
Damn it.
I was hoping they would jettison all the crap and give us something good.
Now I am worried.  :-\

Man if they mess this up to,Predator,avp and everything to do with it.Will be the laughing stalk of the Sci FI horror community.

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 09, 2009, 02:47:53 AM

Quote from: TheMonolith on Jul 09, 2009, 02:43:58 AM
Damn it.
I was hoping they would jettison all the crap and give us something good.
Now I am worried.  :-\

Man if they mess this up to,Predator,avp and everything to do with it.Will be the laughing stalk of the Sci FI horror community.

How does it mess up AvP?This is a Predator movie.

AvP already messed up back in 2004.

I'm saying anything related to predator will be messed up.

Kevin Peter Hall and Stan Winston must be spinning in their graves right about now...

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 09, 2009, 02:57:46 AM
Kevin Peter Hall and Stan Winston must be spinning in their graves right about now...

-Rakai'Thwei

Why is it so hard to make another Predator movie? This idea is awful and i really hope the community can ban together and force Fox to stop this bullsh*t.

Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 09, 2009, 03:08:13 AM
Why is it so hard to make another Predator movie? This idea is awful and i really hope the community can ban together and force Fox to stop this bullsh*t.

And that is what I am hoping for. All I have been hearing is bitching and quiping from fellow fans as to how they hate being totally butt-f**ked by Twentirth Century Fox and while the fan reaction to the script has been immensely negative, all I have been hearing is "Wait and See".

Seriously guys, which is it, either you hate how Fox has been treating the fandom or is there an unwillingness to do band together and do something?

While I am understanding the whole wait and see thing going on, I'm not at all optimistic about this thing... However, the people who are preaching wait and see do have a point, we don't know what is being omitted and added.. However, I'm not going to hold my breath.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 09, 2009, 03:23:45 AM

Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 09, 2009, 03:08:13 AM
Why is it so hard to make another Predator movie? This idea is awful and i really hope the community can ban together and force Fox to stop this bullsh*t.

And that is what I am hoping for. All I have been hearing is bitching and quiping from fellow fans as to how they hate being totally butt-f**ked by Twentirth Century Fox and while the fan reaction to the script has been immensely negative, all I have been hearing is "Wait and See".

Seriously guys, which is it, either you hate how Fox has been treating the fandom or is there an unwillingness to do band together and do something?

While I am understanding the whole wait and see thing going on, I'm not at all optimistic about this thing... However, the people who are preaching wait and see do have a point, we don't know what is being omitted and added.. However, I'm not going to hold my breath.

-Rakai'Thwei

This is the truth. God damn it! Why dosen't Fox care? At this point, I'm just hoping the novels and comics remain untouched by this f*cking garbage. I say do a straight adaption of South China Sea! Or at least have Vandermeer write the script. Atleast he seems to understand what works for the character.

Considering two writers have been hired, somehow I doubt it's a carbon copy of his original treatise.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 09, 2009, 03:23:45 AM

Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 09, 2009, 03:08:13 AM
Why is it so hard to make another Predator movie? This idea is awful and i really hope the community can ban together and force Fox to stop this bullsh*t.

And that is what I am hoping for. All I have been hearing is bitching and quiping from fellow fans as to how they hate being totally butt-f**ked by Twentirth Century Fox and while the fan reaction to the script has been immensely negative, all I have been hearing is "Wait and See".

Seriously guys, which is it, either you hate how Fox has been treating the fandom or is there an unwillingness to do band together and do something?

While I am understanding the whole wait and see thing going on, I'm not at all optimistic about this thing... However, the people who are preaching wait and see do have a point, we don't know what is being omitted and added.. However, I'm not going to hold my breath.

-Rakai'Thwei

Band Together?

What exactly is that going or supposed to accomplish?

FOX is receptive to profits versus cost. They have very large marketing dept. for this reason.

Quote from: Xhan on Jul 09, 2009, 05:10:57 AM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 09, 2009, 03:23:45 AM

Quote from: Yautja117 on Jul 09, 2009, 03:08:13 AM
Why is it so hard to make another Predator movie? This idea is awful and i really hope the community can ban together and force Fox to stop this bullsh*t.

And that is what I am hoping for. All I have been hearing is bitching and quiping from fellow fans as to how they hate being totally butt-f**ked by Twentirth Century Fox and while the fan reaction to the script has been immensely negative, all I have been hearing is "Wait and See".

Seriously guys, which is it, either you hate how Fox has been treating the fandom or is there an unwillingness to do band together and do something?

While I am understanding the whole wait and see thing going on, I'm not at all optimistic about this thing... However, the people who are preaching wait and see do have a point, we don't know what is being omitted and added.. However, I'm not going to hold my breath.

-Rakai'Thwei

Band Together?

What exactly is that going or supposed to accomplish?

FOX is receptive to profits versus cost. They have very large marketing dept. for this reason.

He's right they prevere profits like any company even at the expense of the fans.

Read some of the script and the summary by Corp. Hicks. I think the idea is terrible but heres what I like and dislike .... a lot

Likes -

- Safari idea
- The marines are Badass
- Renagade ..... not horrid

Dislikes -

-  Predators slave trading for technology
- The way the gladiator arena was made / used for
- Preds so lame they can't make all of their technology.

yeah my views ....

Quote from: The PredBen on Jul 09, 2009, 02:41:48 PM
-  Predators slave trading for technology
- The way the gladiator arena was made / used for
- Preds so lame they can't make all of their technology.

I can think that ALOT of people agree on those very things. Those need to go, but Rodriguez and Fox are so deluded they think we will buy into it.

Franchise went to hell in a handbasket with frilly laces, everyone.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 09, 2009, 07:53:12 PM

Quote from: The PredBen on Jul 09, 2009, 02:41:48 PM
-  Predators slave trading for technology
- The way the gladiator arena was made / used for
- Preds so lame they can't make all of their technology.

I can think that ALOT of people agree on those very things. Those need to go, but Rodriguez and Fox are so deluded they think we will buy into it.

Franchise went to hell in a handbasket with frilly laces, everyone.

-Rakai'Thwei

You don't know that. You don't know shit. I'm gonna love it when none of that is going to be in the movie and you get proven wrong again. Dude, you DO know that movie scripts go through many, many, many drafts? Many. The damn thing is still in the writing process. You're batshit crazy if you think that's gonna be in the final picture.

You think WAY too much.

Tis tru....... we might get some of the general concepts and characters which are still the same but I believe the majority will be new.

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jul 09, 2009, 08:09:37 PM
You don't know that. You don't know shit. I'm gonna love it when none of that is going to be in the movie and you get proven wrong again. Dude, you DO know that movie scripts go through many, many, many drafts? Many. The damn thing is still in the writing process. You're batshit crazy if you think that's gonna be in the final picture.

You think WAY too much.

You seem to be stuck on the idea that I am just talking about the whole pissing Predators idea, I'm not-- I'm talking about the major elements such as the Predator planet, the gladiator idea, the trading humans for tech, the slave thing... I'm just saying that just needs to outright go.

Alot of people aside from me have said those things just need to go or need to be revised.

I'm starting to believe that Rodriguez is so deluded in his ideals that revisions or re-writes aren't going to be happening, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. I know that Dutch is not going to be in the film because Arnold is still govenor, and have you seen the guy? My God, he really let himself go. And there is no way they're going to get Kickenger to be Dutch with Ah-nold's face on his body. Doing that would be stupid.

All I can say is this: If the revisions or re-writes can perhaps do something for this movie, fine but until then I'm not going to hold my breath.

Also, a thing to ask...

Are there officially three cotinuities now running rather than one cotinuity?

-Rakai'Thwei

Quotemajor elements such as the Predator planet

Why has that to go?

That's a freakin sweet setting and at the same time, is something new. The setting is the only thing in the script that shows us something new and at the same time, is actually good.

Like Predator 2, they introduced a whole lot of sweet things that worked.

They would have to remove just about everything to make that script decent. I mean strip to to bare bones with people on a predator planet. Even thats not great, but its at least decent. Except the method for getting there is slave trade for pred tech. Everything would have to be changed in this script. Slave trade, gladiators, humans with pred tech... hell even the time setting and characters.

I would just like this movie to be in the far future. With a bunch of criminals on a ship being transported somewhere, the ship gets stranded on a planet either by the ship malfunctioning or the criminals busting a Con-Air on the thing and having the ship malfunction at that point or whatever. Then we just get a bunch of preds that see this go down, and from there I can't really think of anything else.

As fans, we should expect something better than this flaming piece of crap which came out of Rodriguez's ass, only to be approved by Alex Young. Seriously, who thinks that Rodriguez's script is a good idea?

As fans we have learned that Fox is a money hungry corporation which doesn't listen to it's fans, or any other audience and it's News department is heinously just as bad.

As fans, we shouldn't have to accept this but what astounds me is that some people actually like Rodriguez's ideas. Mind you, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I'm fine with that but it's still a shocker to me.

-Rakai'Thwei

QuoteAs fans, we shouldn't have to accept this but what astounds me is that some people actually like Rodriguez's ideas. Mind you, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I'm fine with that but it's still a shocker to me.

You're shocked that a community as diverse as this one, has competing opinions..?

Quote from: Gates on Jul 14, 2009, 10:00:18 PM
You're shocked that a community as diverse as this one, has competing opinions..?

Have you read the script?

-Rakai'Thwei

I read Hicks' review (which was more than enough for me)...where you headed with this..?

Quote from: Gates on Jul 14, 2009, 10:10:05 PM
I read Hicks' review (which was more than enough for me)...where you headed with this..?

Mind you, I've gone three days without sleep, so I'm not exactly thinking straight here.

We all know the script is bad, mm'kay? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I'm cool with that. However, some of the opinions are coming from the people who say that they hated AvP. You've read the review, I've read the script.Someone has said that Rodriguez's Predators don't even act or behaive like the ones in the previous films.

To me that kind of doesn't make sense. How is Rodriguez's vision better than AvP, considering his horribly concieved ideas? I'm not defending AvP but I'm trying to figure out how is Rodriguez's vision better.

Thats what I'm trying to say.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 14, 2009, 10:21:53 PM
Mind you, I've gone three days without sleep, so I'm not exactly thinking straight here.

And I recommend you take a shot (or two) of Nyquil and get yourself some sleep...I love Predator too but it shouldn't be that serious... ;)

QuoteTo me that kind of doesn't make sense. How is Rodriguez's vision better than AvP, considering his horribly concieved ideas? I'm not defending AvP but I'm trying to figure out how is Rodriguez's vision better.

I wouldn't have an answer for you because I don't agree with, but I'm sure anyone of the people that feel the way you described can come in here and give you any varying number of explanations why they do...such is the beauty of opinion...

Just chillax, give time for confirmed (concrete) information to come out, then when it's as bad as we think I'll join you on the hate parade...fair enough..? :)

Quote from: Gates on Jul 14, 2009, 10:35:50 PM

And I recommend you take a shot (or two) of Nyquil and get yourself some sleep...I love Predator too but it shouldn't be that serious... ;)

I have been a fan of the Predator since I have been a kid, around the time when I was six years old when Kenner released the Aliens and Predator figurines. Around that time, I watched the original classics, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Predator and Predator 2. In order to want to know more about the Alien and Predator, I began to delve into the EU, namely Steve Perry's novels, as well as the works of Schoefield and Bischoff. I also enjoyed AvP because it incorperated elements from the EU and established more of the honor concept which the Predators (I prefer to call them Yautja but since some are so PC about what to call them, Predator seems to fit the bill).  I fell so much in love with the Predator franchise that I even developed my own Predator characters.

Even met Ian Whyte in person and enjoyed speaking to him.

Yeah, I'm a dedicated fan-- or at least try to be.

And your advice with the Nyquil is duely noted and will be followed later on. Much thanks!  :P

Quote from: Gates on Jul 14, 2009, 10:35:50 PM
I wouldn't have an answer for you because I don't agree with, but I'm sure anyone of the people that feel the way you described can come in here and give you any varying number of explanations why they do...such is the beauty of opinion...

Just chillax, give time for confirmed (concrete) information to come out, then when it's as bad as we think I'll join you on the hate parade...fair enough..? :)

And thats the beauty of democracy, we are allowed to have an opinion and believe what we want to believe. It's a beautiful thing, I do agree with you. Because in the end, when you boil it down, the only real opinion that matters is your own and no one else's.

And yeah, if Rodriguez confirms the train-wreck he may make, feel free to join the parade. The more, the merrier.

-Rakai'Thwei

I'm not really against the idea, TBH.

i think they could make a respectable film.or a pile of feaces.

Quote from: Awgustas on Jul 15, 2009, 09:21:44 AM
I'm not really against the idea, TBH.

That's why it gets made. People will pay too see this. And we all are suckers for it.

Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 15, 2009, 10:52:06 AM

Quote from: Awgustas on Jul 15, 2009, 09:21:44 AM
I'm not really against the idea, TBH.

That's why it gets made. People will pay too see this. And we all are suckers for it.

It really depends on the trailer for me and the first information's we will get, but then again, Fox knows how to cut pretty trailers, especially for the ones that suck.

well avpr had an awesome trailer but that was the hook that relled us all in.As for why some people like the script,well that's their opinion although I don't see how they like it.

Fifteen votes for the people who DO want to see this.

Fourteen votes for the peope who DON'T.

There's a decent split there.

-Rakai'Thwei

Robert Rodriguez isnt going to put out a garbage film. There might be things we don't like but it sure as hell aint gonna be on the same level as the AVP movies.

Quote from: Hybrid PM on Jul 15, 2009, 05:43:43 PM
Robert Rodriguez isnt going to put out a garbage film. There might be things we don't like but it sure as hell aint gonna be on the same level as the AVP movies.

And how do you know that? We've got a crap script, we've got a director whom most of us haven't even heard of and has few works accomplished... More and more of the interviews we hear suggest Rodriguez is going through with his craptacular ideas intact.

However, we're going to wait to Comic-con and hear this man out..

I'm not going to hold my breath though.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 15, 2009, 01:31:43 PM

Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 15, 2009, 10:52:06 AM

Quote from: Awgustas on Jul 15, 2009, 09:21:44 AM
I'm not really against the idea, TBH.

That's why it gets made. People will pay too see this. And we all are suckers for it.

It really depends on the trailer for me and the first information's we will get, but then again, Fox knows how to cut pretty trailers, especially for the ones that suck.

Another board I visit, thehunterslair.com, has horde of users who go to the cinema, pay their tickets, just to see their favorite creatures on the screen. No matter how utter crap it actually is, all the excuses they need are:
-Predators on screen
-New designs (true, but that's not saying we like them)
-predators on screen

And Fox knows this.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 15, 2009, 06:11:58 PM

Quote from: Hybrid PM on Jul 15, 2009, 05:43:43 PM
Robert Rodriguez isnt going to put out a garbage film. There might be things we don't like but it sure as hell aint gonna be on the same level as the AVP movies.

And how do you know that? We've got a crap script, we've got a director whom most of us haven't even heard of and has few works accomplished... More and more of the interviews we hear suggest Rodriguez is going through with his craptacular ideas intact.

However, we're going to wait to Comic-con and hear this man out..

I'm not going to hold my breath though.

-Rakai'Thwei

Just look at RR's resume, he doesn't put out crap. Sure he's got some family flicks that arent everyones cup of tea but those are for a different audience.

He knows there will be a lot of pissed off fans if he screws up!

Quote from: Hybrid PM on Jul 15, 2009, 08:01:51 PM
Just look at RR's resume, he doesn't put out crap. Sure he's got some family flicks that arent everyones cup of tea but those are for a different audience.

He knows there will be a lot of pissed off fans if he screws up!

If I keep on hearing one thing about Dusk Til Dawn.... Ugh!

Granted, he's done an exceptional job in the first film but I heard that he has done B Quality work on the sequels and even critics hated the Dusk til Dawn sequels. And he wrote, produced, and directed all of the sequels with the help of Quintin Tarantino. The fact that the sequels of the Dusk Til Dawn series were panned says alot to me, and I've seen Dusk til Dawn II: Texas Blood Money, which Rodriguez had written, produced and directed. It was a film that attempted to be taken seriously.

....I found it to be quite hilarious actually. Yeah, it was that bad. I mean the guy who played DeStephano in Resurrection (Raymond Cruz) played a part in the film with the word Enimigo tattooed on his back was the icing on the cake of hilarity. The special effects? Sub-par. Either Rodriguez has a thing for sub-par special effects, is not available to my knowledge but to me, his choice for CGI and cartoonish effects is just horrid in my opinion. Robert Patrick of T-1000 Terminator fame, played a Texas outlaw who tried to survive a bloody night of vampire attacks, didn't even help the film. And Patrick is a good actor, seeing his work as Agent Dogget in X-Files and of course, the T-1000 in Terminator 2, and as the drunken estranged father in Striptease. The fact that he couldn't save the film says ALOT to me.

The special effects in Spy-Kids and Shark-Boy and Lavagirl were horrible... but then again, it might've been attempted to be cheesy to appeal to kids. I also just saw a SHORTS spot while viewing Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince,  and while it is a kid's movie, the special effects were just down right fake looking. I almost walked out of Harry Potter cause of the SHORTS spot.

It's not the fact that the guy does family films which bothers me, it's his ideas for Predators. He's made the creatures become cannon fodder, weak as hell, slaving gladiators who trade humans for technology-- things which are out of character for the Predator character in general!

I have a very, very bad feeling about PREDATORS now.

-Rakai'Thwei

Actually Rakai, I don't recall RR ever writing, producing, or directing From Dusk Till Dawn 2. That movie was penned by Scott Spiegel and written by two other guys. Not Robert Rodriguez. I just think you really want to throw this guy under the bus so you're automatically assuming he's made the sequels to every movie he's done. Oh and the Third From Dusk Till Dawn was directed by some guy named P.J. So I don't know where you're assuming he's done those films. I'm sure you're confusing the credits stating that it's from the minds of Quentin and Robert.

He produced From dusk till dawn 2, just like Tarantino. They hadn't anything to do with the movie from a creative standpoint though, i own the sequels and do know this for a fact.

Quote from: Proteus on Jul 15, 2009, 11:54:49 PM
Actually Rakai, I don't recall RR ever writing, producing, or directing From Dusk Till Dawn 2.

Actually, we're both right... You were right about him not penning it, but he did produce the Dusk til Dawn movies according to Wikipedia. He didn't write the second one, but he did write the third one with Alvaro Rodriguez.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Dusk_Till_Dawn_2:_Texas_Blood_Money (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Dusk_Till_Dawn_2:_Texas_Blood_Money)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Dusk_till_Dawn_3:_The_Hangman%27s_Daughter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Dusk_till_Dawn_3:_The_Hangman%27s_Daughter)

-Rakai'Thwei

So even if he co-wrote the third one, it wasn't actually that bad, better then the second one. It wasn't the writing or the story that sucked, it sucked because of cheap production values.

Compare the movies to most DTV movies that are on the market, i was surprised of how good they actually turned out to be.


Starship Troopers 2 and 3 anyone?

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 12:06:24 AM
Starship Troopers 2 and 3 anyone?

Never saw those.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 16, 2009, 12:09:23 AM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 12:06:24 AM
Starship Troopers 2 and 3 anyone?

Never saw those.

-Rakai'Thwei

I suggest you never do so.. well, maybe the third one, at least that one has Johnny Rico. It still sucks though.

Bottom line is that Rodriguez will have a lot of creative control of this film and those films in which he has a creative part in turn out quite well. That may not be everyones opinion but hell at least we know we dont have to worry about a studio controled film this time around.

Quote from: Hybrid PM on Jul 16, 2009, 12:14:45 AM
Bottom line is that Rodriguez will have a lot of creative control of this film and those films in which he has a creative part in turn out quite well. That may not be everyones opinion but hell at least we know we dont have to worry about a studio controled film this time around.

I assume you have not read the script. If you have read the script, you would understand why I dread it.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 16, 2009, 12:16:21 AM

Quote from: Hybrid PM on Jul 16, 2009, 12:14:45 AM
Bottom line is that Rodriguez will have a lot of creative control of this film and those films in which he has a creative part in turn out quite well. That may not be everyones opinion but hell at least we know we dont have to worry about a studio controled film this time around.

I assume you have not read the script. If you have read the script, you would understand why I dread it.

-Rakai'Thwei

Have you heard of Alex Litvak and Michael Finch? They are the ones who are RE-WRITING the RR script. I bet half that crap won't be in the movie.

Its anybodies guess what will be removed and what will be kept.As for dusk till dawn they were great vampire movies but their style would not work with a predator film.

Quote from: Hybrid PM on Jul 16, 2009, 12:24:03 AM
Have you heard of Alex Litvak and Michael Finch? They are the ones who are RE-WRITING the RR script. I bet half that crap won't be in the movie.

I've also been hearing that Rodriguez will still be having creative control over the project, considering that he is producing it. I've said it before, and I'll say it again-- I'm not going to hold my breath about this film. The interviews which he has held suggest that he is using his ideas more and more-- which he still thinks are cool.

C'mon... Predators going from hunting to being slavers and gladiators, using humans to barter for technology, a group of Predators corralling around Wilson and peeing on him?! Slingshot weapons?!

I hope NONE of those elements are being used in the film, really, because those are horrible ideas. And the ending in the script is just horrid as well, the idea of Predators planning out a full scale invasion on planet Earth is not something in my mind Predators would do. At least not without a good reason anyway.

Predators need humans to hunt. Without humans, their existance as hunters would be meaningless. There would be no hunt. Total extermination and domination of the human race is not something I think Predators would want. Because that would be poaching and genocide.

We'd have to really piss Predators off for them to assault Earth and outright destroy the human race.

The script has so many contradictions, so much half-assed ideas.  And the fact that it has Predators dying in one shot from a gun is outright stupid. It has been established in Predator and Predator 2, that not even a shotgun blast at point blank is enough to kill them.

If Rodriguez says he's not going to use those horrible ideas at Comic-con, I'll admit I was wrong.

If not, well... de-motivational posters anyone?

-Rakai'Thwei

QuotePredators need humans to hunt. Without humans, their existance as hunters would be meaningless. There would be no hunt.

That's not quite right, there is a whole bunch of different creatures out there in the Predator universe, such as the Aliens, or the different creatures we've seen on the trophy wall in Predator 2.

We are just one of many beings they hunt all over the galaxy.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 12:47:44 AM
That's not quite right, there is a whole bunch of different creatures out there in the Predator universe, such as the Aliens, or the different creatures we've seen on the trophy wall in Predator 2.

We are just one of many beings they hunt all over the galaxy.

Right, right! I forgot about that... Sorry, just many things running through my head now with looking up Universties and Colleges. But you're right, we're just one of many beings they hunt in the universe and perhaps one of their most favorites.

I still don't get the whole slave thing though... and I don't like it. The gladiator idea can be done right, but ONLY if the Predators are fighting some big beast, but humans like in Rodriguez's idea? No way.

I just don't see Predators taking slaves, really or doing the whole bartering thing seeing as they are a reclusive race.

-Rakai'Thwei

Like i said before, the Predators in the draft feel completely out of character, they remind me more of the Morlocks then anything else.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 12:53:24 AM
Like i said before, the Predators in the draft feel completely out of character, they remind me more of the Morlocks then anything else.

And thats exactly one of the main problems about this very project that worries me. These Predators, as far as I am concerned, aren't Predators according to how they behave anyway.

Taking Slaves and using them to trade for technology? Completely out of character.

Using humans to make them participate in a gladiatorial arena? Completely out of character.

Dying in one shot from a rifle? Out of character. Aren't Predators supposed to be taking mid calibur-high calibur bullets with minimal damage, not to mention actually able to DODGE them in firing as shown in Predator 2?

Peeing on someone? WAAAAY out of character.

Naming them Draconis Ostraccm? ....Huh? I wouldn't mind it human scientist actually DESIGNATED that name for them to describe what genis or branch they belong to like how Fox labled the Xenomorph Introvernicus Rapticus, but not the name which Predators call themselves, you know?

There are so many inconsistencies with the first draft script. There are so many bad ideas which shouldn't be used. Yet more and more interviews with Rodriguez suggest that he is using those ideas in the final product and that is what worries me the most. I don't know who else doesn't like the ideas aside from you Johnny, and myself, and a few others but lets face, these are the reasons why Rodriguez's vision is so infamous.

I am a Predator fan, and as a fan I would hate Rodriguez to ruin such a good franchise with his vision.

Hopefully, Litvak and Finch would outright remove his ideas... If not, well... as a fan, I'll be heavily disappointed.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 16, 2009, 01:11:39 AM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 12:53:24 AM
Like i said before, the Predators in the draft feel completely out of character, they remind me more of the Morlocks then anything else.

And thats exactly one of the main problems about this very project that worries me. These Predators, as far as I am concerned, aren't Predators according to how they behave anyway.

You must know that it has to introduce new stuff.  Like how Aliens completely changed many aspects of the xeno's behaviour.  We already have two movies where all the predator does is basically hunt a bunch of heavily armed people.  So how many movies can you have before that gets stale?  And don't say it can work because the predator is not a slasher movie villain.

QuoteTaking Slaves and using them to trade for technology? Completely out of character.

I agree, this doesn't make sense.  Why would predators need human technology?

QuoteUsing humans to make them participate in a gladiatorial arena? Completely out of character.

Out of character only from what we know.  It's not illogical, it's just seems silly but it depends on how it's executed in the movie.

QuoteDying in one shot from a rifle? Out of character. Aren't Predators supposed to be taking mid calibur-high calibur bullets with minimal damage, not to mention actually able to DODGE them in firing as shown in Predator 2?

I doubt a predator could survive a high-caliber shot to the head (if it's not wearing a mask).

QuotePeeing on someone? WAAAAY out of character.

Actually I could see them doing that given how sadistic they have been portrayed to be.

QuoteNaming them Draconis Ostraccm? ....Huh? I wouldn't mind it human scientist actually DESIGNATED that name for them to describe what genis or branch they belong to like how Fox labled the Xenomorph Introvernicus Rapticus, but not the name which Predators call themselves, you know?

Yeah that's kinda dumb.

QuoteYou must know that it has to introduce new stuff.  Like how Aliens completely changed many aspects of the xeno's behaviour.  We already have two movies where all the predator does is basically hunt a bunch of heavily armed people.  So how many movies can you have before that gets stale?  And don't say it can work because the predator is not a slasher movie villain.

Yeah I actually agree with this. Yes some things in the script are lame but other things I can live with. Lets just hope they pick the right things to portray in the movie. 

QuoteYou must know that it has to introduce new stuff.

I agree with this also, Predator 2 gave us tons of new stuff to learn about the creature, the difference was the stuff they introduced actually fits the character and was interesting, that's not the case with Predators by now.
They should introduce new stuff when it fits the character, then I'm all for it.

If all the shit that is in the old draft gets into the movie and you say "Well, but they had to introduce new stuff" then that's just Bullshit, when you cant come up with any good ideas for the character then just leave him that way and give us a good, character driven action movie that we can all enjoy, instead of giving us a character driven action movie, that ultimately fails in its execution of the main attraction.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 02:08:29 AM

QuoteYou must know that it has to introduce new stuff.

I agree with this also, Predator 2 gave us tons of new stuff to learn about the creature,

Predator 2 introduced alot of new stuff, but nothing so radically different.  It was still basically the same kind of character from the first movie, just slightly expanded.

Quotethe difference was the stuff they introduced actually fits the character and was interesting,

Well yeah, it totally fits with what was established in the first movie.

Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jul 16, 2009, 01:37:11 AM
You must know that it has to introduce new stuff.  Like how Aliens completely changed many aspects of the xeno's behaviour.  We already have two movies where all the predator does is basically hunt a bunch of heavily armed people.  So how many movies can you have before that gets stale?  And don't say it can work because the predator is not a slasher movie villain.

ALIENS worked because James Cameron wanted to try to explain as to how the Xenomorphs behaved, why they behaved and how they actually reproduced. It explained ALOT of things which were left entirely to speculation with the original ALIEN film, such as who or what laid those eggs in the Derelict. In the original ALIEN, there was no idea of a Queen, and not even a normal drone wasn't suggested to lay any eggs. So it was pretty open ended as to who was laying those eggs, and the idea of a single Queen fit the bill.

Cameron didn't have to fit anyone else's shoes because there were no shoes to fill. There were no other establishments from the original ALIEN aside how they reproduced and why they had to kill all other life forms. There was nothing indicating that they followed a hive-mind society, there was no indication that they needed to kill for the sake of expanding their hive in the name of their Queen, in the original ALIEN.

The story of ALIEN was meant to be a horror-sci-fi flick, which changed the face of science fiction forever. Cameron didn't really change ANYTHING to the Xenomorph, but rather added onto the creature that hadn't been by any other director. He kept with the cotinuity, he kept the reproduction method but ADDED onto it with the idea of a Queen. And thats why ALIENS worked.

Cameron had a fresh new idea, but didn't change anything.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 02:08:29 AM
If all the shit that is in the old draft gets into the movie and you say "Well, but they had to introduce new stuff" then that's just Bullshit, when you cant come up with any good ideas for the character then just leave him that way and give us a good, character driven action movie that we can all enjoy, instead of giving us a character driven action movie, that ultimately fails in its execution of the main attraction.

Johnny stole the words right out from my mouth. Predator and Predator 2 gave us things which explored the cultural aspects of the Predator race. They showed us that they followed a bizarre sense of honor, honor which has to be earned in battle with the Predators. It's not honor as we know it like Knights of Old chilvalry or the Samurai Code of Bushido but damn it, Predators do follow a sense of honor.

I'm for the idea of multiple Predators hunting. But the things which Rodriguez has in mind for the character doesn't really seem to fit the Predator characters at all and Rodriguez seems to contradict ALOT of things which has been established in the first two Predator films and does completely away with the honor concept.

Slavery and human trading? Not honorable, as far as Predators are concerned. Peeing on a person? Just out of character entirely. Trading with humans and other alien species? Predators are a reclusive race, why would they want to trade with outsider species if they don't want to be discovered?

ALOT of ideas which Rodriguez has do not fit with the Predator characters. And what the hell was up with Renegade in the script? He was helping humans out and that would make him a bad blood in the eyes of his own race because it was an honorable thing to do? I'm trying to wrap my mind as to what purpose Renegade served in the story still.. Predators only "help" others if it benefits their end, or only if they are deemed worthy and honorable enough to aid, or if they are facing a common enemy. Renegade helping humans didn't make sense at all considering he was fighting against his own race.

Why would a Predator fight his own race if he isn't a Bad Blood? Why would a Predator risk his own honor if he has committed no crime in the eyes of his race to help a group of humans from his own people? It doesn't make sense unless Rodriguez's Predators are Bad Bloods and Renegade was a honored warrior, which doesn't make sense either with the script.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 16, 2009, 02:22:33 AM

Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jul 16, 2009, 01:37:11 AM
You must know that it has to introduce new stuff.  Like how Aliens completely changed many aspects of the xeno's behaviour.  We already have two movies where all the predator does is basically hunt a bunch of heavily armed people.  So how many movies can you have before that gets stale?  And don't say it can work because the predator is not a slasher movie villain.

ALIENS worked because James Cameron wanted to try to explain as to how the Xenomorphs behaved, why they behaved and how they actually reproduced. It explained ALOT of things which were left entirely to speculation with the original ALIEN film, such as who or what laid those eggs in the Derelict. In the original ALIEN, there was no idea of a Queen, and not even a normal drone wasn't suggested to lay any eggs. So it was pretty open ended as to who was laying those eggs, and the idea of a single Queen fit the bill.

Cameron didn't have to fit anyone else's shoes because there were no shoes to fill. There were no other establishments from the original ALIEN aside how they reproduced and why they had to kill all other life forms. There was nothing indicating that they followed a hive-mind society, there was no indication that they needed to kill for the sake of expanding their hive in the name of their Queen, in the original ALIEN.

The story of ALIEN was meant to be a horror-sci-fi flick, which changed the face of science fiction forever. Cameron didn't really change ANYTHING to the Xenomorph, but rather added onto the creature that hadn't been by any other director. He kept with the cotinuity, he kept the reproduction method but ADDED onto it with the idea of a Queen. And thats why ALIENS worked.

Cameron had a fresh new idea, but didn't change anything.

I agree with everything you say, because you are agreeing with me.  Logically, nothing about the predators is changed, because nothing says that all predators are the same.  It is not so much like that with the aliens, who are not given much variation between individual creatures.

In the original, the creature was not part of a hive mind, it did not need a Queen (Cameron acknowledged the egg morphing scene even though it wasn't in the theatrical cut), it did not behave like a rabid insect, etc.  But ALIENS is a totally different kind of movie than ALIEN, anyway.

The real crux of the argument here is what makes a predator movie a predator movie, not about the creatures.

Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jul 16, 2009, 03:04:58 AM
I agree with everything you say, because you are agreeing with me.

....What?

-Rakai'Thwei

This thing reads like a bad comic, full of blatant errors that even soft core fans could pick out.
Predators would rather die than give up their technology. Predator 1 and 2 proved that with the self destruct device. Also, predators purchasing people does not fit the bill at all.
Predators like to go out of the comfort zone of their world into unexplored alien landscapes because it makes the hunt more challenging.
A REAL predator would not lay a hand on a purchased human because it would be booring.
No challenge, no sale.
Slavery? I think predators have no problem doing their own damn work. In fact, they most likely take pride in doing their own work. Using slaves would be an insult to their codes.
The only thing I can think of is that these predators are the race equivalent of poachers. Cheap, lazy and stupid.
Thank you Rodriguez. You are thus far doing very well in the destruction of two high quality sci fi classics. Top notch!

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 16, 2009, 03:08:03 AM

Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jul 16, 2009, 03:04:58 AM
I agree with everything you say, because you are agreeing with me.

....What?

-Rakai'Thwei

I thought I justified myself clearly but perhaps not but whatever do I need to figure out another way to explain myself...  :-\

Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jul 16, 2009, 03:48:04 AM
I thought I justified myself clearly but perhaps not but whatever do I need to figure out another way to explain myself...  :-\

What I am trying to say is this-- in Predator and to a further extent, Predator 2 established that Predators followed a sense of honor and sportmanship in the hunt. They have established that these intergalactic warriors handicap themselves in order to give their prey a fighting chance, and they have also established that they are not willing to give up their technology so easily without dying and they have also established that they are a reclusive race that does not want to be discovered by the human race. Predators are nomadic, they are warriors that follow an unusual sense of honor and that honor and respect has to be earned by either fighting along side a Predator or killing one.

Rodriguez's concept completely throws away the honor concept which has been established in the previous films, concepts which seperated the Predator character from other sci-fi monsters from being generic killing machines who are demonized and made to be cannon fodder. Rodriguez's vision does away with the honor concept, turns the Predator from a warrior who followed an unusual sense of honor and sportsmanship to a mindless killing machine whom only takes pleasure in killing just about EVERYTHING in sight. A concept which the Thomas Brothers and McTiernan brought to the silver screen and was further expanded on, which seperated the creature from almost every sci-fi creature, now turned into the typical monster who is never ending causing bloodshed to feed upon and cannon fodder for the invincible hero to defeat.

Predator and Predator 2 gave the Predator creature character, Rodriguez's version has been robbed of any character and turned into a generic monster.

The Predator was never a mindless killing machine, but Rodriguez's vision makes them out to be that way and thats just something I personally do not want to see.


Thats what I'm trying to say.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 16, 2009, 04:01:26 AM

Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jul 16, 2009, 03:48:04 AM
I thought I justified myself clearly but perhaps not but whatever do I need to figure out another way to explain myself...  :-\

What I am trying to say is this-- in Predator and to a further extent, Predator 2 established that Predators followed a sense of honor and sportmanship in the hunt. They have established that these intergalactic warriors handicap themselves in order to give their prey a fighting chance, and they have also established that they are not willing to give up their technology so easily without dying and they have also established that they are a reclusive race that does not want to be discovered by the human race. Predators are nomadic, they are warriors that follow an unusual sense of honor and that honor and respect has to be earned by either fighting along side a Predator or killing one.

Rodriguez's concept completely throws away the honor concept which has been established in the previous films, concepts which seperated the Predator character from other sci-fi monsters from being generic killing machines who are demonized and made to be cannon fodder. Rodriguez's vision does away with the honor concept, turns the Predator from a warrior who followed an unusual sense of honor and sportsmanship to a mindless killing machine whom only takes pleasure in killing just about EVERYTHING in sight. A concept which the Thomas Brothers and McTiernan brought to the silver screen and was further expanded on, which seperated the creature from almost every sci-fi creature, now turned into the typical monster who is never ending causing bloodshed to feed upon and cannon fodder for the invincible hero to defeat.

Predator and Predator 2 gave the Predator creature character, Rodriguez's version has been robbed of any character and turned into a generic monster.

The Predator was never a mindless killing machine, but Rodriguez's vision makes them out to be that way and thats just something I personally do not want to see.


Thats what I'm trying to say.

-Rakai'Thwei

Look, I see exactly what you're saying.

but..

*It was established in the first two films that the predator (or at least the ones we saw) were hunters.  So yeah, definitely not a mindless killer like the alien.

*The honour thing... omg... where to start.  Nothing in the original movie gave any hint of honour.  The predator didn't kill Anna because she wasn't armed, but that arguably had nothing to do with honour.  The predator removed it's weapon to fight Dutch hand to hand, again that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with honour.  The predator did lots of things in that movie that could be considered NOT honourable (sniping from cover, stealth kills, shooting down the chopper, nuking the forest, etc).

*The honour thing mainly comes from Predator 2 and the comics.  Although, even in Predator 2 it wasn't overly emphasised.

Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jul 16, 2009, 04:16:44 AM
*The honour thing mainly comes from Predator 2 and the comics.  Although, even in Predator 2 it wasn't overly emphasised.

But it was established in Predator 2, which gave the Predator further character which further made it more unique than say Jason Voorhees or Freddy Krueger. Stephen Hopkins has stated NUMEROUS times in the commentary and the Making Of in the Predator 2: Special Edition DVD that Predators do follow a sense of honor. He contributed to the character which seemed very fitting and explained their personalities in the hunt and WHY they hunt.

Rodriguez seems to strip away what has been established in Predator 2, because either...

1) He didn't like it.

2) He's arrogant enough to disregaurd what has been established in Predator 2 and willing to say that his version is the true sequel to the original.

3) He never saw Predator 2.

Chances are that the three ideas above are highly unlikely, but it seems to me that Robert hasn't done his homework on the character and wants to undo the characterization which has been added to them because he thinks his ideas are "Cool" and "Intense".

But hey, at least you get what I am saying, as you have openly stated.

-Rakai'Thwei

The danger is though, they overdo the honour thing and there are fans out there, including myself, that wants the next movie to steer clear of Anderson's and Steve Perry's bullshit.

And I myself, prefer they just go straight back to the source which is PREDATOR (1987) but I agree that Rodriguez is taking this in some odd directions.

Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jul 16, 2009, 04:35:39 AM
The danger is though, they overdo the honour thing and there are fans out there, including myself, that wants the next movie to steer clear of Anderson's and Steve Perry's bullshit.

And I myself, prefer they just go straight back to the source which is PREDATOR (1987) but I agree that Rodriguez is taking this in some odd directions.

And there are some fans out there who like Perry's work and enjoyed AvP, like myself, so we're at split ends here. We agree to disagree.

However, like I said, I'm not too optimistic about this film and if any of Rodriguez's ideas are used, I'm going to be sorely disappointed.

-Rakai'Thwei

QuoteLook, I see exactly what you're saying.

but..

*It was established in the first two films that the predator (or at least the ones we saw) were hunters.  So yeah, definitely not a mindless killer like the alien.

*The honour thing... omg... where to start.  Nothing in the original movie gave any hint of honour.  The predator didn't kill Anna because she wasn't armed, but that arguably had nothing to do with honour.  The predator removed it's weapon to fight Dutch hand to hand, again that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with honour.  The predator did lots of things in that movie that could be considered NOT honourable (sniping from cover, stealth kills, shooting down the chopper, nuking the forest, etc).

*The honour thing mainly comes from Predator 2 and the comics.  Although, even in Predator 2 it wasn't overly emphasised.

I agree with this, the Predator character is not overly honorable to a point where it becomes less of a thread.
They are honorable, lets say, when they want to be, they certainly don't have any code of honor or anything which they have to follow.

Take Leona for example, she was good sport, she was in the same team as Harrigan and Lambert, she was armed and was part of the Predators little game with Harrigan. The Predator had her and would have killed her, yet he didn't because she was pregnant and it was a honorable thing not to kill a pregnant woman and it wouldn't be a thing he would be prideful of, she was good sport non the less though.
I always thought that was a personal thing for every Predator, not like a list of things which they arent allowed to do.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 04:46:02 AM
I agree with this, the Predator character is not overly honorable to a point where it becomes less of a thread.
They are honorable, lets say, when they want to be, they certainly don't have any code of honor or anything which they have to follow.

Take Leona for example, she was good sport, she was in the same team as Harrigan and Lambert, she was armed and was part of the Predators little game with Harrigan. The Predator had her and would have killed her, yet he didn't because she was pregnant and it was a honorable thing not to kill a pregnant woman and it wouldn't be a thing he would be prideful of, she was good sport non the less though.

Thats what I'm saying, Predator 2 established something of a sense of honor. Anything is fair game unless they are pregnant females, children, sickly prey who are unable to fight, unarmed, or fellow Predators. To kill a fellow Predator would mark one as a bad blood, unless said warrior was from a rival clan.

Thats what I'm saying. Thats what I am trying to convey a message for people to get.

If I haven't said this, I often tend to look at Elders as a prime example of what Predators should be like, patient, respectful and honored.

Still, I don't get how the slave thing and human trading would work for the Predator race. Someone has to explain that to me.

-Rakai'Thwei

QuoteStill, I don't get how the slave thing and human trading would work for the Predator race. Someone has to explain that to me.

There is nothing to explain because it simply wouldn't work without completely distorting the character, which happened in AvP already, from the moment a "Predator" *cough* teamed up with its prey.

Comic or not, that was stupid, completely out of character and moved the movie into silliness even more.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 04:56:21 AM

QuoteStill, I don't get how the slave thing and human trading would work for the Predator race. Someone has to explain that to me.

There is nothing to explain because it simply wouldn't work without completely distorting the character, which happened in AvP already, from the moment a "Predator" *cough* teamed up with its prey.

Comic or not, that was stupid, completely out of character and moved the movie into silliness even more.

While I disagree with the AvP comment, I do agree with you on the slavery and human trading thing. It wouldn't work at all.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 16, 2009, 04:59:42 AM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 04:56:21 AM

QuoteStill, I don't get how the slave thing and human trading would work for the Predator race. Someone has to explain that to me.

There is nothing to explain because it simply wouldn't work without completely distorting the character, which happened in AvP already, from the moment a "Predator" *cough* teamed up with its prey.

Comic or not, that was stupid, completely out of character and moved the movie into silliness even more.

While I disagree with the AvP comment, I do agree with you on the slavery and human trading thing. It wouldn't work at all.

-Rakai'Thwei

You know i respect yours and everyone elses opinion on this board, but i cant understand how anyone who loves the Predator character can actually tolerate the team up thing.

You're talking page after page on this board of how out of place the Predators in the script felt, yet, you already like just as big of a pile of shit idea in an already done movie.


I don't get it.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 16, 2009, 05:13:53 AM
You know i respect yours and everyone elses opinion on this board, but i cant understand how anyone who loves the Predator character can actually tolerate the team up thing.

And I'm glad you respect my opinion, really I do. And I respect yours as well, from one fan to another.. I'm glad to see someone who cares about the franchise as much as I do. But as for me liking AvP, as I said before, I grew up with the comics and novels as well as the movies and formed my own personal lexicon from the films, novels, comics and games.

I can't explain it but I think it's a deep rooted thing and somehow it started with Terminator 2, and well when I saw the Terminator becoming a good guy in the film, I liked the idea of it. When I became interested in the Predator when I was a kid during when Kenner was releasing their AvP toy-line, I suppose subconsciously I saw the Predators as being the "Good guys", where as the Aliens were the "Bad guys". I mean c'mon, I was six years old and just got into the AvP franchise when Kenner released their line-- the Aliens wanted to infest worlds and kill all other life forms, Predators wanted to hunt Aliens. I suppose I thought that if the Terminator could be a good guy, why not a Predator?

Over the years I began to collect the comics, both Predator and Alien and began to discover more on what they were like. It wasn't until I discovered Steve Perry's novels that I REALLY got into the Alien vs Predator franchise. I was thirteen or fourteen at the time when I read it and read up on Dachande, whom I saw as the ideal Predator Hero. I had even done a book report on Prey for my seventh grade english class. I loved the book that much that I did it as an extra credit assignment.

I learned from films and the novels that while Predators weren't exactly good guys, they also weren't inheritly evil. They were merely doing what their warrior culture compells them to do and they have a different view on things than humans do, even when they do seem brutal and downright mean however the mutual respect which each hunter held toward another showed that they do have a sense of honor in their culture. Dachande captured my heart and I grew up with him as a hero and idol. Kind of like how some people grew up with Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, etc.

I enjoyed AvP because it borrowed heavy concepts from Steve Perry's novels and the comics, and the fact that I got to see a Predator hero was something I have wanted to see for quite a while.

Like all films, AvP does have it's flaws, but it depends how you see the film the way you want to see it or how you thought it should be. Some people liked it, others didn't.

If you thought that the film could've been executed differently, I'd like to hear it.

At least we're being respectful about differing opinions, and I want to thank you for that Johnny.

-Rakai'Thwei

Personally the team up thing didn't bother me since i love Steve Perry's novels.The only reason it happened was because the Strauss brother were trying to give the fans some love by using ideas from the origanal comics.

Wait wait wait... hold up...

John Davis was the producer who had the rights to Predator, right?

....Rodriguez is producing the new film..

Did Davis give up the rights to Rodriguez? If so, I am REALLY worried now. I hope Rodriguez DOESN'T do sequels.

-Rakai'Thwei

Fox owns the rights to Predator.

Hey isn't comic-con tomorrow or next week?

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 16, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
Personally the team up thing didn't bother me since i love Steve Perry's novels.The only reason it happened was because the Strauss brotherAnderson were trying to give the fans some love by using ideas from the origanal comics.

No,the execution was quite different in the books.

And,trying to give the fans some love does not mean half-assing ideas from the comics and novels.

Well if the teamup was done like in the original AVP comic, it would have been much more tolerable.

I just looked up Robert Rodriguez's Wikipedia article and while it does confirm that he is indeed doing the Predators film, it does say that he is re-launching the franchise. However, with the link for re-launching, I get directed to the wikipedia article on franchise Reboots.

Either someone at Wikipedia is misinformed, or this is infact, a reboot of a new cotinuity.

-Rakai'Thwei

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone.

Quote from: Hybrid PM on Jul 17, 2009, 04:33:06 PM
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone.

I'm well aware.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 01:31:58 AM

First off, I don't see it working at all.... I mean thats like saying well, a Jewish POW snitching on his fellow captives to the SS gaurds or something else I can't really relate to think.

er.....  ??? no... it's definitely much more like African tribes trading African slaves for European Merchandise to Europeans.. that part of the script makes sense..... 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade#Legacy_of_racism

Quotethe largest number of slaves were captured on raiding expeditions into the interior of West Africa. These expeditions were typically carried out by African kingdoms against weaker African tribes and peoples. These mass slavers included the Oyo empire (Yoruba), Kong Empire, Kingdom of Benin, Kingdom of Fouta Djallon, Kingdom of Fouta Tooro, Kingdom of Koya, Kingdom of Khasso, Kingdom of Kaabu, Fante Confederacy, Ashanti Confederacy, and the kingdom of Dahomey. Europeans rarely entered the interior of Africa, due to fear of disease and moreover fierce African resistance.

Quote from: Miranasi on Jul 17, 2009, 04:49:23 PM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jul 06, 2009, 01:31:58 AM

First off, I don't see it working at all.... I mean thats like saying well, a Jewish POW snitching on his fellow captives to the SS gaurds or something else I can't really relate to think.

er.....  ??? no... it's definitely much more like African tribes trading African slaves for European Merchandise to Europeans.. that part of the script makes sense..... 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade#Legacy_of_racism

Quotethe largest number of slaves were captured on raiding expeditions into the interior of West Africa. These expeditions were typically carried out by African kingdoms against weaker African tribes and peoples. These mass slavers included the Oyo empire (Yoruba), Kong Empire, Kingdom of Benin, Kingdom of Fouta Djallon, Kingdom of Fouta Tooro, Kingdom of Koya, Kingdom of Khasso, Kingdom of Kaabu, Fante Confederacy, Ashanti Confederacy, and the kingdom of Dahomey. Europeans rarely entered the interior of Africa, due to fear of disease and moreover fierce African resistance.

The script contradicts itself and what has been established in the previous two, four if you count the AvP films, that Predators DID NOT want humans to gain access to their technology. Primary examples of this would be Ghost Predator killing off Peter Keyes and his men, who have outright admitted that they wanted his technological weapons, and perhaps Scar, Celtic and Chopper Predator who saw that their plasma casters were missing and attempted to retrieve them back from Charles Bishop Weyland and his expedition team. I'm pretty sure that if Wolf killed the Xenomorph infestation in Gunnison and lived, he would've gone after Dallas.

For one, the script does not say what clan Rodriguez's Predators are from, infact it's quite vague as to why they crucified another of their own kind and why Renegade teamed up with Dutch and the other human characters. I may have to re-read it, as much as I do not want to do so, seeing how horrible the script it. Either this clan is a massive clan of bad bloods who fell out of the norm and broke alot of taboos, or Renegade is from an entirely different clan.

And on the African Slave trade thing, yeah, I'm well aware that Europeons took slaves and snatched them from their homes and everything but the idea of tribes taking other Africans and selling them to Europeon traders? I wasn't aware of. Either I forgot about that or my schools didn't teach me and the other students back in school that aspect.

-Rakai'Thwei

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 17, 2009, 07:12:53 AM

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 16, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
Personally the team up thing didn't bother me since i love Steve Perry's novels.The only reason it happened was because the Strauss brotherAnderson were trying to give the fans some love by using ideas from the origanal comics.

No,the execution was quite different in the books.

And,trying to give the fans some love does not mean half-assing ideas from the comics and novels.

I know the execution was diffrent.They were using the comic ideas loosely.Plus the movie still made millions so it wasn't half assed but were not here to discuss that.

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 17, 2009, 07:01:32 PM

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 17, 2009, 07:12:53 AM

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 16, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
Personally the team up thing didn't bother me since i love Steve Perry's novels.The only reason it happened was because the Strauss brotherAnderson were trying to give the fans some love by using ideas from the origanal comics.

No,the execution was quite different in the books.

And,trying to give the fans some love does not mean half-assing ideas from the comics and novels.

I know the execution was diffrent.They were using the comic ideas loosely.Plus the movie still made millions so it wasn't half assed but were not here to discuss that.

A movie making money has nothing to do with the execution of it's story.

It was a half-assed version of the teamup from the books,simple as that.

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 17, 2009, 09:42:50 PM

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 17, 2009, 07:01:32 PM

Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 17, 2009, 07:12:53 AM

Quote from: predatorfandrc90 on Jul 16, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
Personally the team up thing didn't bother me since i love Steve Perry's novels.The only reason it happened was because the Strauss brotherAnderson were trying to give the fans some love by using ideas from the origanal comics.

No,the execution was quite different in the books.

And,trying to give the fans some love does not mean half-assing ideas from the comics and novels.

I know the execution was diffrent.They were using the comic ideas loosely.Plus the movie still made millions so it wasn't half assed but were not here to discuss that.

A movie making money has nothing to do with the execution of it's story.

It was a half-assed version of the teamup from the books,simple as that.

It was loosely based on the comic teamup to be half assed version of that teamup it would need to be a carbon f**ked up copy.Once again there other threads to discuss this on so lets get back to the issue at hand.