I was doing a brain storm today whilst bored and I've come to a few conclusions about this Prequel. First off I was thinking about the name, and what makes it a prequel, and it was the why? and how? that got the brain going.
First off, how do we as the viewer know it's a prequel? (apart from the potential title), and I'm not talking just us -fans, i mean everyone. Characters? Ripley's out, Settings - not repetitive/no continuation, Story line - Finished, little details of technological advances will be unknown to the general public and because of the length in gaps "real time" between the movies - not obvious. The creature itself can be changed but that still does not make it a prequel?
So my only conclusion is this HAS to be about the Jockey or Beacon, it's not a maybe. If it's to be recognised as a prequel it has to have a link, other wise why not just make an alternate tale in a different time? and we can obviously forget about alternate realities (please).
I can already see the ending - a Deep space mine crew (unaware) are sent on a mission to find the alien with a younger looking Ripley, kane etc etc.
Anyway, sorry for the long winded post, what do you guys think ?
I think that it should be about beacon. It could have been left there by crew that encountered Derlict before Ripley and co. (though i don't like this idea because signal in Alien clearly sound like alien origine). If that is the case than we alreday know the ending with last crew member activating beacon and than is killed by alien. Also whole project can be about what happened with jockey-Alien but then it would feel more like godzilla spin-off than alien.
The only other thing i could come up with was that ,all of us are trying to squeeze this movie between sometime in the 20th century and the events in Alien, but what if the studio/scott mean prequel as in thousands of years? not hundreds.
When it's not actually the story/characters or plots that make up the script, but the point where the alien was either found or built.
You sugest whole film about space jockeys? Nice but it won't work cause average joe is too stupid to understand it or like it. That mean no money and Fox won't risk loosing money on the project.
Quote from: highlandpred on Jun 28, 2009, 10:26:45 AM
Anyway, sorry for the long winded post, what do you guys think ?
More likely to be the demise of Hadleys Hope, or an entirely different setting altogether with the Aliens being encountered on a different colony at a different time. We don't know enough about the Space Jockey race, and there HAS to be humans inj the movie or it will dive at the box office.
Quote from: Mother_ on Jun 28, 2009, 06:06:06 PM
Quote from: highlandpred on Jun 28, 2009, 10:26:45 AM
Anyway, sorry for the long winded post, what do you guys think ?
More likely to be the demise of Hadleys Hope, or an entirely different setting altogether with the Aliens being encountered on a different colony at a different time. We don't know enough about the Space Jockey race, and there HAS to be humans inj the movie or it will dive at the box office.
This is a prequel, Hadleys Hope wouldn't even be established on LV 426.
New Idea! One in which it wouldn't be a prequel but close! It opens with Riply after A:R , she is looking over files and discovers a USSM file bought from Weyland - Yutani titled: The Origins , she reads it and a line she says is " The species was discovered after contact with the now dead race .... " and we cut to before Riply is alive and its humanities first contact with E.T.'s , this is done in secret. The Aliens turn out to be Space Jockey's! It focuses on them warning humans of a plague race called " the Yu'tahs " or the endless aliens. ( Name is original ) the order of the movie is following the jockeys to help them fight the aliens , but a greedy human interferes ....
What do you guys think?
Quote from: Private Hudson on Jun 28, 2009, 06:08:46 PM
This is a prequel, Hadleys Hope wouldn't even be established on LV 426.
Oh right, excuse my stupidity (hangover induced, I assure you). I guess that would be a prequel to AlienS.......
Quote from: Mother_ on Jun 28, 2009, 06:06:06 PM
Quote from: highlandpred on Jun 28, 2009, 10:26:45 AM
Anyway, sorry for the long winded post, what do you guys think ?
More likely to be the demise of Hadleys Hope, or an entirely different setting altogether with the Aliens being encountered on a different colony at a different time. We don't know enough about the Space Jockey race, and there HAS to be humans inj the movie or it will dive at the box office.
That still doesn't explain the need for a prequel, you could still make the demise of another colony at any point in time or after the events of A3. Like I say there has to be a link, there HAS to be something in the movie that establishes to Joe blogs movie goer that this is not just another Alien flick.
Humans have to be in it, but thats not to say the need to be humans from Earth. although again that's getting out there.
maybe the question of what the ship was doing and where was it going? might come in.
I think an interesting spin for a sequel would be to to re-use some elements of the original Alien script. Have the pyramid set up from that version of the script, have a crew discover it, explore it, etc... Have the giant skull and the eggs in the alter room.
Basically, just make it a good film that stays true to the spirit of the series. Then, at the end, they can destroy the pyramid and, while the survivors are leaving, if there are any, you can pan around the mountain range and show the Derelict just over the ridge or something like that ;D
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jul 02, 2009, 03:38:20 PM
I think an interesting spin for a sequel would be to to re-use some elements of the original Alien script. Have the pyramid set up from that version of the script, have a crew discover it, explore it, etc... Have the giant skull and the eggs in the alter room.
Basically, just make it a good film that stays true to the spirit of the series. Then, at the end, they can destroy the pyramid and, while the survivors are leaving, if there are any, you can pan around the mountain range and show the Derelict just over the ridge or something like that ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scienceblogs.de%2Ffrischer-wind%2Fpicard-facepalm.jpg&hash=6762fffb76b687e2773066e765c4e5d5678f7feb)
;D
^^^ Was already laughing a the post, and then I see the picard face-palm, love it.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 03, 2009, 10:14:16 PM
^^^ Was already laughing a the post, and then I see the picard face-palm, love it.
Reading it agains making me laugh..
HybridNewborn i hope your not offended matey...
I also don't mean to offend at all.
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jul 02, 2009, 03:38:20 PM
I think an interesting spin for a sequel would be to to re-use some elements of the original Alien script. Have the pyramid set up from that version of the script, have a crew discover it, explore it, etc... Have the giant skull and the eggs in the alter room.
Basically, just make it a good film that stays true to the spirit of the series. Then, at the end, they can destroy the pyramid and, while the survivors are leaving, if there are any, you can pan around the mountain range and show the Derelict just over the ridge or something like that ;D
weird but i like it.
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jul 03, 2009, 10:20:19 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 03, 2009, 10:14:16 PM
^^^ Was already laughing a the post, and then I see the picard face-palm, love it.
Reading it agains making me laugh..
HybridNewborn i hope your not offended matey...
Dude! i got a picard!!!! Awesome lol ;D
QuoteDude! i got a picard!!!! Awesome lol
lol!!! nice one, im glad i didnt offend you! ;D
http://www.totalfilm.com/news/alien-5-confirmed-to-be-prequel
this website says its about hte space jockey speace ship?
Quote from: Corporal Lewis Hicks on Jul 05, 2009, 04:19:58 PM
http://www.totalfilm.com/news/alien-5-confirmed-to-be-prequel
this website says its about hte space jockey speace ship?
I havent really looked into any details about the prequal as im aganst it, byt if that is true about what it says then im defo not going to watch it.
well tbh i wasnt all that in to it and i still aint. but i just researched it and a few websites are saying the same thing about it being about where the aliens and space jockeys ship came from and something about "Weyland-Yutani Company knew to direct the Nostromo to the planet LV-426 in the first place" and thats all i seem to get bye looking at a few (6) websites about the film
Quotesomething about "Weyland-Yutani Company knew to direct the Nostromo to the planet LV-426 in the first place"
Now that id like to know, but the whole space jockey origins concept is wrong. Cheers for the link to. Its the same with upcomming Preators movie, the more i read asbout it the more im unimpressed, same with this prequal.
I don't think I'd mind terribly if the company knew about the derelict before Alien and sent the Nostromo past there on purpose. I mean, that kind of makes sense. As long as they keep the actual origins of the ship and the jockey a mystery, and don't explain where they came form, I think I'll be alright...
no probs mate
have a look at these to they have more info
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/259949/the_plotobstacles_to_an_alien_prequel.html
http://www.seanpaune.com/2009/05/31/alien-5/
Quote from: Mother_ on Jun 28, 2009, 06:40:40 PM
Quote from: Private Hudson on Jun 28, 2009, 06:08:46 PM
This is a prequel, Hadleys Hope wouldn't even be established on LV 426.
Oh right, excuse my stupidity (hangover induced, I assure you). I guess that would be a prequel to AlienS.......
Not really,it happens off screen during Aliens.
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Jul 05, 2009, 05:14:17 PM
I don't think I'd mind terribly if the company knew about the derelict before Alien and sent the Nostromo past there on purpose. I mean, that kind of makes sense. As long as they keep the actual origins of the ship and the jockey a mystery, and don't explain where they came form, I think I'll be alright...
so where does the movie fit in?
Quoteso where does the movie fit in?
From the few Atricles ive read supposed to take place 'Before' Alien. But i havent looke dot much into it so i dont really know much about this prequal.
Actually, come to think of it, I would love to see the old Aliens: Earth Angel comic adapted into a full blown 'prequel' film. That'd be awesome....yeah....
Just some idle thoughts:
Alien was set in 2122?
Nostromos journey for the minerals took years to reach destination, let alone come halfway back
Spacetravel technology development started present day (avpr)
Ash replaced the Nostromo's regular doctor just before leaving
Spacejockey was fossilised - if on earth it would take thousands or millions of years? But does no atmosphere on LV-426 help with fossilisation? 50-100 years perhaps?
Ridley Scott's comments of Alien Directors Cut, he believes Spaceship Eggs were a biological weapon. Lambert may have been impregnated.
Dallas was food, Brett was changing into something...maybe
If Ridley Scott is involved in the script it could be interesting. Who knows?
QuoteDallas was food, Brett was changing into something...maybe
Brett was morphing into an Egg, so was Captin Dallas.
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jul 10, 2009, 02:06:56 PM
QuoteDallas was food, Brett was changing into something...maybe
Brett was morphing into an Egg, so was Captin Dallas.
yeah f**k that ! i would wonna be food coz then i will be kill quicker and wouldnt turn in the an egg!
Quoteyeah f**k that ! i would wonna be food coz then i will be kill quicker and wouldnt turn in the an egg!
Morphing into an egg looks and sounds like a slow and painful death. So yeah id agree, rather be eaten. Or burnt alive as Dallas was.
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jul 10, 2009, 02:14:31 PM
Quoteyeah f**k that ! i would wonna be food coz then i will be kill quicker and wouldnt turn in the an egg!
Morphing into an egg looks and sounds like a slow and painful death. So yeah id agree, rather be eaten. Or burnt alive as Dallas was.
yeah but being burnt alive can be just as pain full just abit more quicker so they both are bad but as hicks says in aliens if it comes to that ill do us both . but we gotta make sure it dont come to that
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jul 05, 2009, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Lewis Hicks on Jul 05, 2009, 04:19:58 PM
http://www.totalfilm.com/news/alien-5-confirmed-to-be-prequel
this website says its about hte space jockey speace ship?
I havent really looked into any details about the prequal as im aganst it, byt if that is true about what it says then im defo not going to watch it.
Ridley Scott is far too intelligent to be stuck with something as one-dimentiional as that. This film will definately have humans and that means someone probably got to LV-426 before the Nostromo... ergo THERE'S your story
ridley scott has said for years that the only interest he would have in another alien movie was to explore where the alien came from - and his personal theory was that they were weapons created by the space jockey race. most of these comments, i've read reported on this site. does anyone read the news page? or read in general? i feel like it would help with the spelling and grammar. i don't know what kind of a story can be built out of the space jockeys, but it stands to reason that in order for people to want to see it, its going to have to involve humans somewhere in the plot.